0:08Twenty twenty thousand to four private leaves tournament.
0:16It doesn't make sense.
0:37So battery charge it.
0:55I got it with my dad.
1:12Catherine's gonna be Let me call to order the special town council meeting for this Tuesday, May the twelfth.
1:22Um, Council Member Whitaker is flying back into town from a work trip and will be with us as soon as she lands and gets here.
1:31Um, item number two would be public comment.
1:34Is there anyone here to make a public comment?
1:36Uh reminder this is the special town council meeting.
1:40We have the monthly meeting at six.
1:43Anyone for public comment?
1:45All right, public comment is closed.
1:47Item three, executive session for legal and contractal discussion and possible action regarding an economic development incentive package.
1:56Do we have a motion to go into executive session for that reason?
2:01All right, before uh we vote, um council may take action on any item including any subsection of any section listed on an executive session agenda or discussed in executive session during a properly noticed meeting.
2:15All in favor of the motion, please say aye.
2:18All right, we are in executive session.
2:21To the conference room.
25:42Let the record show we have reconvened from executive session in our 515 special council meeting.
25:49Um no votes were passed, no action was taken.
25:52Um do we have a motion resulting from the information received?
25:56Uh yes, Mayor, um I have a motion to approve economic development to and to negotiate an agreement as discussed in executive session.
26:07We have a motion, we have a second.
26:09Is there any discussion?
26:10All in favor, please say aye.
26:13All opposed, no motion carries.
26:16Uh and uh is approved.
26:19Thank you very much.
26:21Item number five, National Tennis Month Proclamation, Mr.
26:41All right, I will read the Tennis Month Proclamation.
26:44Whereas the United States Tennis Association and the Town of Mount Pleasant Tennis Clubs promote the play and growth of the sport of tennis in South Carolina at every age, ability and level of play from beginners to professionals, and whereas playing tennis at any ability and level improves heart health, agility, and can provide a positive and fun environment to spend time with family and friends while staying active, and whereas by increasing accessibility of tennis for Mount Pleasant residents of all ages and abilities, the USTA and the town of Mount Pleasant have helped make our community healthier.
27:18And whereas USTA has declared the month of May as national tennis month to encourage players, organizations, facilities, retailers, tennis manufacturers, and many other tennis providers to promote local programs and activities at public parks and facilities, private clubs, schools, colleges, and universities to showcase tennis and spread the word about the sport and its benefits, and to help players and non-players alike find courts and play and play opportunities in their communities.
27:48Now, therefore, I, Will Haney, sorry, mayor, uh just not me.
27:55Mayor of the town of Mount Pleasant do hereby proclaim May 2026 National Tennis Month in the town of Mount Pleasant and encourage all of our residents from youth to senior to stay active and play tennis.
28:08And let me add that we have an exciting groundbreaking tomorrow at two o'clock for the uh additions to the Muggsy Kerr tennis facility over off of Whipple Road.
28:19So we are very excited about that, and we invite anybody to come to that who would like to come.
28:24Would you guys like to say a few words or yes?
28:29I'm Andrea Weinstein, the president of the Low Country Tennis Association, and I've provided council members with um a handout here that has pictures of uh first of growth of tennis, and I want to emphasize how important Mount Pleasant is in terms of the Low Country Tennis Association.
28:51We have over 1,000 registered tennis players, adult tennis players, who play from Mount Pleasant Wreck.
29:00And in addition, we have players that play um at some of the private facilities such as Snee Farm, Park West, Dunes West, Creekside.
29:09So Mark Mount Pleasant represents a large portion of the Low Country Tennis Association, and we are the fourth largest tennis association in the United States by registrations.
29:23And that's because we live in Charleston area where we can play year-round and we facilitate play all year round in um in this little country tennis area.
29:36And on the next pages, um we try to improve the experience um uh for our players at our facilities through a facility improvement grant.
29:46And um, there were some picnic tables at Mount Pleasant Wreck, and you can see a picture of them.
29:52And on the next picture, there are the four facil uh uh picnic tables that Low Country Tennis Association has provided uh for our players and other people who come to Mount Pleasant Wreck.
30:05So that was a $7200 expenditure that we made um to improve the experience and just to show how important Mount Pleasant is to our player experience.
30:18And I want to thank you very much for reading the proclamation.
30:29Oh, that should be the way that's a good thing.
30:37Yeah, that would have looked bad.
30:44All right, next, please.
30:46Um, item six recognition of state champions of our unified basketball team, the stingers, and our unified swim team, the piranhas.
30:56Who is gonna do those honors, Shall we?
31:06What is it about Mount Pleasant and State Championships?
31:10How many state championships can one town crushing right now?
31:15Oh, that's a lot of time.
31:30I mean, I'm used to seeing you guys in here now.
31:48See, y'all, y'all doing that.
32:03Council members, this will probably be the best part of your night.
32:07So enjoy it while you can.
32:10Kyle, you can go back up.
32:16As usual, no introductions need to be made.
32:18You have met our state champions, the MPRD stingers.
32:23Um, they went to a state tournament April 18th up in Columbia.
32:28There were over 500 other basketball players.
32:31There were 54 teams, and they came back undefeated once again.
32:49Just a quick side note, they had their new coach, Sarah Munday.
32:53Um, she is a rec specialist for the rec department.
32:59She has jumped right into everything unified, and she got to be a part of the winning team this year.
33:05Um, I just want to say, real quick, keep it short.
33:08Um, it's more than just a team.
33:10Um, I've been able to watch this particular team grow.
33:13We've had some new players come, we had some players leave, but to watch them become such a cohesive unit and be able to go out pretty much on their own and win these games, which it's not all about winning, we know.
33:27But it's amazing to see the the relationships they are building on the court as well as off the court.
33:33A lot of them call each other up and go meet up for some basketball or food.
33:38We like to eat food.
33:39Um so while the sport is very important, uh, I think it's key that they are also forming a lot of social relationships.
33:48Congratulations, stingers.
34:17All right, I would like to invite the state piranhas up.
34:20Come on up if you went to Columbia.
34:39I see a lot of familiar places.
34:54Steve, how are you doing, man?
34:55Good to see you, brother.
35:00All right, yes, sir.
35:04Good to see you again.
35:05Multiple time champions.
35:18Basketball and swimming.
35:36Once again, no introduction needed.
35:38You have met our NPRD piranhas.
35:40The team who stands in front of you actually just got back from Columbia.
35:45We did an overnight at Fort Jackson.
35:47There was over a thousand athletes at this state tournament.
35:51Eight different sports, aquatics being one of them.
35:58We came back with three participation ribbons, a sixth place, three fifth place, six fourth place, ten bronze, twelve silver, nine golds.
36:17We had 14 swimmers compete and represent Mount Pleasant.
36:21All the swimmers did an amazing adjustment when we had some teammates who couldn't join us.
36:26We adjusted our relay teams and they did it all with smiles and lots of giggles, right?
36:31Um real quick though, I do want to uh give notice or give rec recognition to our teammates in the stands or in the audience.
36:40So if you're a unified player, stand up, please, Courtney.
36:55Well, everybody doesn't always get to join us for the state events.
36:58They are part of the team and they make the season happen.
37:01So thank you guys for taking your time and recognizing your MPRD unified teams and have a great night.
37:15Turn around and face me for a picture.
37:49Thank you all athletes.
37:58Round of applause for Shelley.
38:28Good to see you again.
38:44This would be a good time to mention.
38:46Um speaking of special Olympics that from noon Saturday to noon Sunday, uh Debbie Antonelli's 24 hours, nothing but net was right here in the Debbie Antonelli gym on um Town Hall property.
39:00And there was a big turnout.
39:05Damore want to thank your staff for um all that they did, everything from the police running the torch to uh public services having everything out in the parking lot and the rec department doing everything in the gym.
39:18And um, and this was our first um attempt to do a little community festival as part of that because Debbie wanted that.
39:25And if there was good turnout, but we've got ideas to make it bigger and better next time.
39:31And uh maybe at our June meeting we can get her here um just to give us a little recap, show us a highlight reel.
39:37But she did raise a hundred and ninety-five thousand dollars in that twenty-four hours, bringing it to almost uh one point six million dollars, and she's on our way to two hundred thousand and has already announced that it'll be right back here next year as well.
39:52So um, I just thought that deserved a little a little mention there.
39:57Um there is nothing else on our agenda for our special town council meeting.
47:05Let me call to order the six PM monthly town council meeting for Mount Pleasant Town Council for this Tuesday, the May the 12th.
47:14Good to see everyone here.
47:15We will begin with prayer by Chaplain Ray Gild and followed by the Pledge of Allegiance that will be led by Mayor Pro Tem Howard Chapman.
47:27Would you join me in prayer?
47:31Almighty God, I pray for this council meeting tonight.
47:36Give each council member the wisdom and guidance that they deliberate on items before them.
47:46May every decision be righteous in your sight.
47:50For our benefit, and for your glory.
47:59Please face the flag.
48:16Thank you both very much.
48:21Next is approval of the agenda.
48:23May I have a motion, please.
48:28All in favor, please say.
48:35Item four is uh public hearings, awards, and presentations.
48:40We will have a public hearing to receive input on a proposal to amend chapter one fifty-five.
48:49This um has to do uh with uh access to lots by means other than an improved public street.
48:58Um you are welcome to comment on this.
49:02It does not count as your public comment time if you signed up for that.
49:06And at the end of a public hearing, I am required by ordinance to uh sound the gavel because the public hearing has ended.
49:12That is not the end of the meeting.
49:14We will go on for at least another 15 minutes, I'm sure.
49:19Uh I think you summarize it very well with that uh brief uh intro with the ingress egress easement.
49:25This is land development regulations that go for you guys for a public hearing.
49:30Uh this is the exclude and give provide higher standards for subdividing property off of the ingress egress easement.
49:36This is uh adjusting the setback, the building setback from the easement property line, and also excluding the easement area from the minimum lot area, square foot area for the lot.
49:48Is there anyone here to speak to that item in the public hearing?
49:55All right, seeing none, um this public hearing is declared closed.
50:03Item five approval of the minutes from the April 14th special and regular move to town council meetings and the March 2026 financial statement.
50:12We have a motion to approve and a second.
50:16All in favor, please say aye.
50:21Item six is public comment.
50:23If you signed up for public comment, please come forward, give your name and address, and the timer will show you when your two and a half minutes are up, please.
50:32Damora will call your name.
50:34We have one speaker signed up this evening.
50:42Thank you very much.
50:45Uh, my name is Bill Reside.
50:47I live on Edisto Island.
50:50I'm here to introduce myself as a candidate for the United States House of Representatives District One.
50:56We'll talk about that district one thing in just a second.
50:59Um in April of 2025, I started this quest, and in November of last year, I filed with the Federal Election Commission to run and filed with the state in March of this year.
51:11And on April 11th, the state Libertarian Party uh voted to give me their ballot line in November.
51:19Now, as we know, there's a little controversy over what this district one is going to look like right now.
51:23Mount Pleasant is in District One, and uh I hope it stays in District One, but I'm here to introduce myself, not to politic.
51:32So I've lived the vast majority of my adult life in North and South Carolina, been in South Carolinian since 2008.
51:40I spent 40 years after earning a BS degree in nuclear engineering from the University of Virginia, primarily in nuclear power construction maintenance and uh operations, also in the research field up in New York for a few years, primarily with Duke Energy.
51:58I've worked in nuclear power plants all around the world, but primarily here in the Carolinas.
52:03So I want to take that engineering expertise to Congress to solve problems.
52:09Again, I've been a formal uh resident of Edisto for about four years.
52:13I've owned property there for about 20.
52:16So I am here only to introduce myself.
52:20I'll be back in touch with y'all whether you're in district one or district seven.
52:24I look forward to representing you in the House uh of representatives next January.
52:30Thank you very much.
52:33Anyone else for public comment who did not have the opportunity to sign up?
52:40All right, thank you very much.
52:42Public comment is closed.
52:44That moves us to item seven, consent agenda items, which is final reading on item A and final reading on item B.
52:52Do we have a motion, please?
52:57Is there any discussion?
52:59All in favor of the motion to approve the consent agenda items, please say aye.
53:06Final reading of consent agenda items A and B.
53:10Item eight is uh planning new business.
53:13Reed, if you'll take us through.
53:16Thank you, Mayor and Council.
53:17Uh so this first um proposal before you is our new 10 mile zoning overlay district.
53:24It has been to committee several times for a discussion.
53:28It did go to planning commission for a public hearing, and it comes to you from commission and committee with a recommendation for approval.
53:35I'm gonna briefly go through it.
53:37Um it does come from uh the Charleston County zoning overlay that was recently adopted.
53:44Uh the Charleston County overlay, um, they worked on their process for about three years.
53:49Um, and that was to really kind of implement some uh some zoning and standards that they wanted to do based on their historic district.
53:59Uh the county's overlay establishes density, intensity, and and dimensional standards.
54:04It establishes standards for fences, signage, pedestrian walkways, storage of vehicles, street names, and stormwater requirements.
54:11Um we are proposing a very similar overlay.
54:14Any differences are minimal.
54:17Most of them have to do with references to the the county zoning overlay referenced their county ordinances, so we had to make some changes there.
54:26But there were several points where the committee discussed policy issues, and they this comes to you with their recommendations.
54:34So I did want to touch on those real quick.
54:36Um, one of them they talked about the ADUs in the county overlay zoning district.
54:42There is no standard uh on their ADUs.
54:45It is covered by their overall coverage.
54:47Um we talked about that because the town does have a a set size for ADUs, um, but we did decide to go with that because the building coverage is very strict, it's 25%, and that includes all your structures, and so that really does kind of limit the ADU size.
55:00And so that really does kind of limit the ADU size.
55:09Affordable and workforce housing.
55:11We did decide to keep the town densities.
55:19This is not just in the 10 mile overlay.
55:23And they can get in some cases up to 18 units an acre, I believe.
55:28So yeah, the committee was pretty uh in commission was very adamant that they did not want to go with that.
55:34So we did keep our town densities of the rural residential and then the suburban urban residential.
55:40But we are allowing certain uses duplexes, triplexes, quadble quadplexes, as workforce housing, but they would have to go through a special exception to the board of zoning appeals and meet that standard.
55:52And that's the same as it is in the county overlay.
55:55The county overlay does have a special stormwater requirement.
55:58We deleted that and just reference our own stormwater requirements there, just as strict if not more strict.
56:05And then the district boundary.
56:20Some properties were annexed out of the out of the county, or I'm sorry, they were removed from the county and annexed into the town.
56:26So when the town looked at what is our boundary going to look like, we wanted to make it on that original historic overlay.
56:34And so there's a few areas here where we had to go back and look, and with the committee's help, uh we did end up with this map that mirrors the county's historic boundaries and not their zoning overlay.
56:48So we've pulled those properties that were annexed into the town back into the our overlay district.
56:53Um there are a couple of properties that I want to point on.
56:57One of them, let me go back to it.
56:58These three properties here were not originally included.
57:03We have included them in ours.
57:05And then also there's a section in the county that you'll see here that was not included, and that is because there's an existing overlay there.
57:15We have the same overlay.
57:17It's a community mixed-use overlay.
57:20So those are the two things that may look a little bit different.
57:23But other than that, everything else pretty much mirrors what the county has done with commission and committee input.
57:30And um I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
57:35Yes, uh, thank you, Miss Reed.
57:36And I think this is a great step forward for um ensuring that the um areas in the settlement community, the historic district are treating treated uniformly, um, whether they're in the town or the county.
57:50Um did have a question.
57:52Um in the um settlement communities, um, you'll notice a lot of the uh some of the homes are manufactured or mobile homes.
58:01I was wondering if we have contemplated um whether to allow those um within the historic district or not.
58:09Um they are allowed.
58:11I'm gonna double check now that you say that.
58:14Um, but the manufactured home should be allowed as a permitted use in the use table, and you all should have gotten a link to the actual draft document, and it has its own table.
58:26Okay, so I would point out that anything that's permitted, so and the hierarchy would be this overlay is priority, it supersedes, and then anything not addressed in this overlay, we would revert to our our um town code, but the manufactured housing is allowed.
58:46I just didn't want there to be a disincentive for somebody to come into the town.
58:51Um so that's great news.
58:52Um did also have a question on, and I'm I presume it's straight from the county, and and you may not necessarily have the answer to the question.
59:02Um, but there is a prohibition on um community docks and boat ramps.
59:09I'm just curious why that is.
59:10I think some of those potentially could be an amenity to the the community at large.
59:16So just wanting to understand the rationale behind those two things being prohibited.
59:20I I'm not sure why those were prohibited.
59:24Um I can get back to you on that.
59:26Um I can say is that it they had the input from the community throughout those years, uh, those three years of when they worked on this document, and um and they decided to not make those allowed, and that's we really didn't question it.
59:44Um, we did question it.
59:46We wondered why, but um I'm not sure that we ever really got an answer um on that, but we wanted to honor what they had decided with the 10 mile community.
1:00:00input from the community throughout those years uh those three years of when they worked on this document and um and they decided to not make those allowed and that's we really didn't question it um well we did question it we wondered why but um I'm not sure that we ever really got an answer um on that but we wanted to honor what they had decided with the 10 mile community sure and then the the final question um I think is um so I know the county has a historic district review board of some kinds that um uh judges whether properties are complying with the um historic regulations and the overlay district um I know that we're kind of contemplating how we can potentially either replicate it or or um join in on the county board um but for the time being with the with this overlay then be enforced by uh the planning department that's correct okay well th thanks again and uh really appreciate all of the hard work that you and your team put into this and I I do think it's a great step forward uh for how we're treating our settlement communities of course did we have a motion we did no we're still questioned all right we don't have a motion yet is go ahead and move to approve of second we have a motion and a second now is there any other discussion on first reading of this uh ordinance establishing our 10 mile community overlay zoning district all right all in favor please say aye aye any opposed motion cares first reading ordinance number two six zero two six all right this next proposal is uh to rezone a move to deny second all right we have a motion to deny um this would be rezoning from area business area wide business to um R2 residential um this is in uh kind of behind art spartan grill as I understand yes sir yes all right is there any discussion on the motion to deny all in favor of the motion to deny please say aye aye any opposed motion cares item uh section B there are no old planning uh business items section nine accommodations tax advisory commission uh funding recommendations we went through this made some changes I believe at um at a recent meeting yeah and um who would be making the motion for this please I'll I'll make it up okay uh um recommend uh that we approve the accommodations tax advisory committee recommended funding recommendations for FY2627 budget second is there any further discussion yes sir yeah uh a question about the Turkey Day run it's been a um ongoing concern for me I guess uh that race is in Charleston that's right yes on Thanksgiving yes sir um it's curious um they they claim it it's gonna create how many room nights or how many hotel nights uh I I don't recall the exact number right off the top of my head but they did and include some hotel room nights based on their um registrations I'll I'll answer that question okay during the meeting Mr.
1:03:05Brownstein um I made a suggestion not only to the Turkey Day run people but also to all of the people who submitted requests a number of them submitted requests for advertising that they were going to do the advertising that's something that Explore Charleston does very well and explore Charleston agreed to assist not only Turkey Day run but also any other applicant for funds from the town of Mount Plus Explore Charleston receives a lot of money on their own and part of that is because they do advertise not just nationally but worldwide so the point was that they already have worked with the Turkey Day run as part of the meeting that they could have their applications available at our town center that they help operate and not necessarily town center but our um location where they work with us or area wide um notice as such they also recommended to the Turkey Day run that included in that advertising that we have a number of hotels and motels right across the street and as such that the Turkey Day run could notify their per people and suggest staying at those locations right across the street where they had agreed to give out their um packets so whether there's one person
1:05:26So whether there's one person or a thousand, we don't know, but this is the first time that they've they've worked with Explore Charleston, both for giving out their uh app uh applications here in Mount Pleasant, as well as encouraging people not just to stay downtown, but to stay in Mount Pleasant.
1:05:57I can appreciate that.
1:05:58I'm my my frustration or concern about this one has been that it's it's a Thanksgiving day run, so it's mostly I believe catering to people who either already live here or we're gonna visit for other purposes.
1:06:14Um and so I'm just uh trying to stay consistent with my previous stance on it.
1:06:19So I'd like to make an amendment that we remove the turkey day run from ATAX.
1:06:25All right, we have a motion in a second to remove the um five thousand dollars uh for the turkey day run.
1:06:35Um not sure we had a primary motion.
1:06:44We did there is a motion to approve.
1:06:47Somehow I didn't make move.
1:06:52So I'm I I sat on ATAC before.
1:06:54I I I would have I'd agree with the motion from Mr.
1:06:57Brownstein and um Mr.
1:07:00Rambo, and the fact that um I think people are on vacation and you happen to go do a Turkey Day run.
1:07:08I don't I don't see a lot of vacationing for a turkey day run personally, and this is held in Charleston.
1:07:14I have have they received Charleston funds from their ATAC?
1:07:20They they've asked and received from the city.
1:07:23And how much do you know?
1:07:24I don't know off the top of my head, but it's an easier sell on that side.
1:07:30It's easier sell on that side.
1:07:32Might be the smartest thing I'm gonna hear tonight as to um I I would I would agree with that motion and uh I I'll rest at that.
1:07:43Thank you for everything else on it and and for increasing the funds for the for the group.
1:07:50I would just like to add that I personally do not believe in running on Thanksgiving.
1:07:56Which day and I do not want to subject anyone the days you do.
1:08:01Anytime, I mean I'll not for me, but Thanksgiving.
1:08:07Um did the did the ATAC uh committee recommend that five thousand the the appointees to the committee.
1:08:15And um, and I think the last three cycles ATEC has recommended some funding that has been eliminated once it got to y'all.
1:08:24And um they keep trying, um, and they actually have improved their application over the years, but um this has kind of been where it's died.
1:08:35I just to put my cards in.
1:08:38I think I'll stick with that recommendation for this year, and I'll join you next year after I run it.
1:08:49The motion is to remove the Turkey Day run five thousand dollars from the accommodation tax uh funding recommendations.
1:08:57All in favor, please say aye.
1:08:59Aye, all opposed, no, how many notes?
1:09:05One, two, three, four, and how many yeses were there?
1:09:09Oh, there's four okay.
1:09:12Does it pass four four?
1:09:21That's the amendment.
1:09:22That's the amendment.
1:09:23So now we vote for that.
1:09:25Yes, is there any discussion on the primary motion uh that would be um as you see it before us there as it was presented?
1:09:34Any further discussion?
1:09:35All right, all in favor, please say aye.
1:09:38All right, motion carries, and it is approved.
1:09:46That completes section nine.
1:09:49This is section 10 council new business.
1:09:52Uh first would be an adoption of a resolution to adopt capital improvement plan for uh 2027 to 2031.
1:10:04So within the CIP budget, um, this CIP plan that you see now does reflect the amendment of reallocating 150,000 from Pitt Street into the Merriam Brown project.
1:10:22Is there any discussion?
1:10:25All in favor of the motion to approve, please say aye.
1:10:31Resolution 2605 is moving on to item uh 10A2, another resolution making declaration to approve 10th through a lease purchase agreement.
1:10:44And again, this is for this is for uh the 2.5 million.
1:10:50It's a five-year lease purchase for the items that you see listed here.
1:10:57Any further discussion?
1:10:59All in favor of the motion to approve, please say aye.
1:11:07Item three, a resolution to approve.
1:11:12To adopt a town of Mount Pleasant five-year general fundancial plan for the years 27 to 31.
1:11:19The motion is to approve.
1:11:20Is there any discussion?
1:11:23All in favor, please say aye.
1:11:33Item one, final reading on an ordinance to adopt and appropriate a budget for the town of Mount Pleasant for the fiscal year beginning for 2027 beginning this July 1.
1:11:46Just to be clear, we will need a motion to get the budget out there, and then we will amend it with all of the amendments we made in committee.
1:11:55But since that was committee, it could not be made on the um the primary motion.
1:12:01Then we'll vote on that, then we'll vote on it with the amendments.
1:12:05So first can we get thank you?
1:12:07We have a motion to approve.
1:12:10Do we want to go ahead with uh the amendments that we spent how long meeting about an hour?
1:12:18A little over an hour and a half.
1:12:20Okay, going over the amendments.
1:12:22Miss Harness, are you just dying to tell us?
1:12:24Yes, this is everything that was discussed during budget committee.
1:12:28These are what was moved to the budget committee.
1:12:30Amend based on budget committee's listed recommendations.
1:12:33Thank you very much.
1:12:35Is there any discussion on the amendment?
1:12:38All in favor, please say aye.
1:12:42The amendment passes.
1:12:46Is there any further discussion on the motion to approve?
1:12:50Which would be, of course, as amended.
1:12:53All in favor of the to adopt the resolution for the budget.
1:12:58Um ordinance for the budget.
1:13:00Uh as amended, please signify by saying aye.
1:13:07Ordinance number two six zero two four.
1:13:10Uh item number eleven is to adjourn.
1:13:13Um, with there being no further.