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Naperville Building Review Board Meeting Summary – May 21, 2025

City CouncilWednesday, May 21, 2025
BodyNaperville, Illinois
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, May 21, 2025
StatusFILED
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1:34

Good afternoon, everyone.

1:37

The uh building review board meeting for May twenty first, twenty twenty-five is now called to order.

1:45

We'll start with roll call.

1:47

I will call uh each of the uh board members' last names.

1:51

Please let me know if you're here.

1:53

First is uh Brenham here.

1:56

Gross.

1:59

Hansen?

2:00

Here.

2:02

Hognes here.

2:04

Hoya here.

2:07

Llewellyn?

2:08

Here.

2:10

Nalwala?

2:11

Yeah.

2:13

Roman, that's me here.

2:15

Wanner?

2:18

Okay, so we do have a quorum.

2:22

So the uh I want to start with the public forum.

2:26

Our first item of business is the public forum.

2:28

Are there any members of the public that wish to speak on matters other than items that are on the agenda today?

2:35

Those that wish to speak on a specific agenda item will be provided with an opportunity to do so at this time.

2:41

Members wishing to speak shall state their name and address for their record.

2:45

So are there anybody who wants to speak on items other than agenda items?

2:51

Come on up, please.

2:53

Thank you.

2:58

Good afternoon.

2:59

Um is Paul Deffenbaugh, address 1508, Maple Knoll Court in Naperville.

3:05

And today I'm representing the Naperville Environment and Sustainability Task Force, or NEST.

3:11

And at last meet last month's BRB meeting, Nest introduced the topic of Naperville adopting the Illinois Stretch Energy Code, and today I'd like to continue that conversation.

3:22

For background, in 2021, the state adopted the Climate Equitable Jobs Act CEGA, which included a provision to create a statewide energy code, and this became the Illinois Stretch Energy Code and became available for municipalities to adopt about a year ago in June 2024.

3:41

A couple of notes about the stretch code.

4:36

And it offers three compliance pathways, the prescriptive path, energy rating index, and the performance pathway.

4:51

Minnesota, Colorado, and Massachusetts have also adopted stretch codes, and here in Illinois, City of Evanston has recently adopted it.

5:00

Adopting the stretch code would put Naperville on a path to increasing energy efficiency in buildings and homes and reduce its greenhouse gas emissions.

5:08

It will safeguard buildings from extreme weather, improve indoor air quality, future-proof new buildings, and ultimately save our residents' residents and businesses money on their utility bills.

5:21

Because this is so significant, NEST would like to have the opportunity to organize a full presentation on the stretch code at another meeting so that you'll be able to hear more in-depth information about the code and ask questions.

5:35

We'll work with staff with Mark to do it.

5:37

This at a future meeting of the BRB, and of course, we're always available to answer any questions.

5:42

And I believe that Mark has distributed an FAQ sheet to you that you can refer to now.

5:48

But thank you very much.

5:50

Talk to you later.

5:52

Thank you.

5:53

Anybody else for the public forum today?

5:58

All right.

5:59

Hearing none, we'll get to reports and recommendations.

6:03

This afternoon we have two items to consider.

6:06

First is the approval of the meeting minutes from the last building review board meeting.

6:12

Do any of the commissioners have any corrections or clarifications on the April 24th, 2025 meeting minutes as drafted?

6:21

Okay.

6:22

Hearing none, uh like to go for a voice vote.

6:26

All those in favor say aye.

6:29

Aye.

6:29

Aye.

6:30

Aye.

6:30

Aye.

6:31

Any opposed?

6:33

Okay, none opposed, so that gets uh approved.

6:37

The second item of business today is the continuation of April 21st or April 24th, 2025 BRB agenda item, considering a variance to Section 5-1E-2, subsection two of the Naperville Municipal Code, prohibition of PCVC P C P V C and PECS for domestic water supply piping.

6:58

BRB case number 112.

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Public Safety██████████████████23%
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Summary of Proceedings

Naperville Building Review Board Meeting Summary – May 21, 2025

The Building Review Board (BRB) of Naperville, Illinois, held a regular meeting on Wednesday, May 21, 2025, at 2:00 PM in the City Council Chambers. All seven members were present: Gina Branham, Max Hoye, Erik Haugsnes, Shabbir Nulwala, Anees Rahman, Michael Llewellyn, and Breck Hanson. The meeting addressed a public forum, approval of previous minutes, and a continued variance request regarding domestic water supply piping materials.

Public Forum

  • Paul Deffenbaugh, representing the Naperville Environment and Sustainability Task Force (NEST), spoke about the 2023 Illinois Stretch Energy Code. He expressed support for the city adopting the code, noting it would increase energy efficiency, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, future-proof buildings, improve indoor air quality, and save residents on utility bills. He requested a future full presentation to the BRB.

Discussion Items

  • Variance Request to Section 5-1E-2 (Prohibition of CPVC and PEX for domestic water supply piping) – BRB Case #112 (Continued from April 24, 2025): The applicant, Elliot Milliken of Hines, sought a variance to allow CPVC and PEX A piping in a new project. City staff, represented by Chief Building Official Mark Dudash, opposed the request, stating that Naperville maintains higher standards than the minimum codes, that cost and installation time do not constitute a valid hardship, and that approval would set a precedent for future projects. Multiple members of the public testified against the variance: Jim Mansfield (licensed plumber) cited microplastics and health risks; Dan McAvoy (DuPage County plumbing inspector) raised concerns about leaching, petroleum-based chemicals, and harm to installers; Jim Majerowicz (licensed plumber and inspector) argued that plastic piping is not time-tested, is susceptible to UV damage, freezing, and fire, and that chlorine in U.S. water degrades the material; Paul Hinterlong (former PZC and city council member) noted that a similar variance lost 4-2 at the BRB and 9-0 at city council in 2019, and emphasized that cost is not a valid justification for a variance; Mike Richardson (Naperville plumbing inspector) stated there is little difference in installation time and that copper is a proven, high-quality product. In response, Milliken noted that CPVC and PEX A have a 25/50 smoke and flame rating, all piping will be in conditioned space, and the smoother surfaces of plastic may reduce Legionella risks. The board discussed the hardship claim and the precedent of the 2019 case. Commissioner Gina Branham moved to take a vote on the variance request; the motion was seconded by Michael Llewellyn. The board voted 7-0 not to recommend approval (i.e., to deny the variance).

Key Outcomes

  • Approval of April 24, 2025, meeting minutes: Approved unanimously by voice vote.
  • Variance request denied: The board voted 7-0 not to recommend approval of the variance for CPVC and PEX piping in domestic water supply systems. The decision means the variance is not granted.
  • Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned on a motion by Hanson, seconded by Branham, with unanimous approval.

Meeting Transcript

Good afternoon, everyone. The uh building review board meeting for May twenty first, twenty twenty-five is now called to order. We'll start with roll call. I will call uh each of the uh board members' last names. Please let me know if you're here. First is uh Brenham here. Gross. Hansen? Here. Hognes here. Hoya here. Llewellyn? Here. Nalwala? Yeah. Roman, that's me here. Wanner? Okay, so we do have a quorum. So the uh I want to start with the public forum. Our first item of business is the public forum. Are there any members of the public that wish to speak on matters other than items that are on the agenda today? Those that wish to speak on a specific agenda item will be provided with an opportunity to do so at this time. Members wishing to speak shall state their name and address for their record. So are there anybody who wants to speak on items other than agenda items? Come on up, please. Thank you. Good afternoon. Um is Paul Deffenbaugh, address 1508, Maple Knoll Court in Naperville. And today I'm representing the Naperville Environment and Sustainability Task Force, or NEST. And at last meet last month's BRB meeting, Nest introduced the topic of Naperville adopting the Illinois Stretch Energy Code, and today I'd like to continue that conversation. For background, in 2021, the state adopted the Climate Equitable Jobs Act CEGA, which included a provision to create a statewide energy code, and this became the Illinois Stretch Energy Code and became available for municipalities to adopt about a year ago in June 2024. A couple of notes about the stretch code. And it offers three compliance pathways, the prescriptive path, energy rating index, and the performance pathway. Minnesota, Colorado, and Massachusetts have also adopted stretch codes, and here in Illinois, City of Evanston has recently adopted it. Adopting the stretch code would put Naperville on a path to increasing energy efficiency in buildings and homes and reduce its greenhouse gas emissions. It will safeguard buildings from extreme weather, improve indoor air quality, future-proof new buildings, and ultimately save our residents' residents and businesses money on their utility bills. Because this is so significant, NEST would like to have the opportunity to organize a full presentation on the stretch code at another meeting so that you'll be able to hear more in-depth information about the code and ask questions. We'll work with staff with Mark to do it. This at a future meeting of the BRB, and of course, we're always available to answer any questions. And I believe that Mark has distributed an FAQ sheet to you that you can refer to now. But thank you very much. Talk to you later. Thank you. Anybody else for the public forum today? All right. Hearing none, we'll get to reports and recommendations. This afternoon we have two items to consider. First is the approval of the meeting minutes from the last building review board meeting. Do any of the commissioners have any corrections or clarifications on the April 24th, 2025 meeting minutes as drafted? Okay.

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