Oh yank way I went fine.

No.

So think of it.

So my was doing that didn't do it.

All right.

I'm glad you didn't have it because I'm not going to be able to do that.

Right.

Right.

Is that the public government?

Is that what you're asking?

I signed in to that as well.

No, no.

No, mine.

I signed it.

Right, you don't have to.

That's for public spending.

That's probably for public speaking.

If you're on the public.

Anybody else?

Okay.

All right.

So the building review board meeting for August twenty, twenty twenty-five is now called to order.

We'll start with uh roll call.

Uh Ranom?

Here.

Donalski.

Gross?

Here.

Hansen?

Here.

Hoganus?

Here.

Llewellyn.

No wallow.

Yes.

Myself, Ramon, and Wanner.

Okay.

So we have we have a quorum.

So we can get uh get started with the meeting.

Our first um item of business is public forum.

If there's any members of the public that wish to speak on matters other than items that are on the agenda, those that wish to speak on a specific agenda item will be provided an opportunity to do so.

Members wishing to speak shall state their name and address for the record.

I do have a list of folks here that wish to speak.

The first one on the list is uh Barbara Benson.

Come on up, please.

Can you hear me?

Okay.

I'm Barbara Benson.

Um, resident of Naperville.

I'm also I made your address, please name an address.

Sure.

Two five one two Spartina Road, Naperville, six oh five six four.

Thank you.

Can I start?

Proceed.

Okay.

Um I'm the chair of Nest's uh building and development committee.

Um, I'm the chair of NASTS uh building and development committee, and I'm here to urge you to recommend the adoption of the Illinois Stretch Code.

This is because it's not just a smart move for the environment, it's a smart investment for Naperville's future.

Let's start where it matters most, our residents.

Homes and buildings built to stretch code standards are more energy efficient, saving the average homeowner up to 250 dollars a year on utility bills.

That's money that stays in their pockets year after year.

And that efficiency isn't just about savings, it means better insulation, less noise, fewer drafts, and healthier indoor air.

It means homes that are more comfortable and require less maintenance.

For Naperville's builders and businesses, the stretch code offers an opportunity, not a burden.

Demand is rising for high performance, energy smart homes.

Buyers want homes that are comfortable, cost effective, and future ready.

Energy efficient homes appraise higher, sell faster, and stand out in a competitive market.

And by getting ahead of the curve now, our builders will be better positioned as state and federal efficiency standards continue to rise as well as increasing home buyer demand.

At the city level, the benefits compound.

Energy efficiency drives job creation in construction, manufacturing, and clean tech, sectors already strong in Illinois.

Implementing the stretch code would reduce our dependence on fossil fuels, improve grid stability, and help Naperville do its part to meet climate goals, goals that matter to today's families and tomorrow's generation.

Now let's talk about the elephant in the room, upfront costs.

According to an analysis by the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory done in 2024, approximate new construction cost of a single family home with a basement to meet the energy efficiency requirements of the stretch code is approximately $3,300.

Yes, building to the stretch code standard may cost slightly more, but those added costs are more than offset by utility savings over the life of the home and can often be reduced with tax credits, rebates, and incentives.

This is not about adding burden, it's about adding value.

Over the course of a typical 30-year mortgage, an average home buyer will save approximately $6,500 in energy cost savings and approximately $8,400 in avoided future retrofit costs.

Finally, in a time when extreme weather events are becoming more and more common, homes that meet the stretch code are simply more resilient.

They keep families safer, more comfortable, and more secure.

By recommending their adoption, you help ensure that we stay ahead, protecting homeowners, supporting local businesses, and building a stronger, more sustainable future for our community.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Guiding principle number one of the City of Naperville's master plan is quote ensuring housing is diverse, responsive to the community needs, and accessible to everybody.

Visitability was first proposed in Naperville in 2002 at a city council meeting.

A developer who ended up building his property with visitability made the statement at the meeting, quote, if you can't get in, what do you do?

End quote.

At the Naperville Builders Breakfast, the ACTF had the opportunity to present visitability to architects, developers, and builders in our community.

I shared a quote I once read about home building that said when someone builds a home, they're not just building it for themselves.

That home is going to be around for a hundred years.

We need to build homes that align with the goals in our master plan, which serve the needs of our community now and in the future.

We need a building code that not only provides the rules and standards for the design and construction of homes, but for the performance of homes.

We have an approach now to build a future where every home is a haven for all.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mary.

Next is Alena Humphries.

Yep.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Can you hear me all right?

Yes, we can, thank you.

Beautiful.

Um, one second, please.

You ready?

Okay.

Um my name is Elena Humphries.

Hi over there.

Um I am at 329 Clarage Circle in Bowlingbrook.

I am here as one of the founding members of the accessible community task force of Naperville.

I wanted to thank you for this opportunity to talk to you.

And I would like to urge you also to please reconsider the full adoption of the visitability code, including the no-step entry.

Um, it's not a small detail.

It is the foundation of whether the community chooses to be inclusive or whether we continue to leave many of our neighbors quite literally at our doorsteps.

Um of U.S.

adults live with a disability, and nearly 14% of households include at least one person currently with a disability.

There was a study in the Journal of Urban Planning that says that over the course of a home's life, nearly 60% will house somebody with a significant mobility disability over that lifetime.

The cost of rehabbing a home is astronomical, where the cost of doing it from the beginning is relatively very minor, sometimes even under a thousand dollars.

This is utterly life-changing for residents.

There are 4,600 homes in Bowlingbrook that I can go to, make friends with people, and never have to ask for special treatment.

I can just go visit them and have a cup of coffee.

That kind of thing shows that you really care about who lives in your town.

You care about the quality of their life.

Like the curb cut effect that Stanford has written papers about, though, it's not just about the people with the mobility disability.

Parents with strollers have a much easier time entering the house without waking their babies, people delivering furniture, using rolling dollies, etc.

So I just think that it would be an incredible opportunity to become one of less than 10 places in the world that lead the charge on showing people what inclusivity really means in practice and valuing your citizenry.

And I'm glad you had a chance to review that packet.

I am happy to talk further later after we discuss the codes and such and the recommendations.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you.

Mark, can you do me a favor?

Can you remind us there was four items that were requested in that?

Um, one was the no-step entrance, one no step entrance.

Second was the uh 32-inch clear doorways, third was the 42-inch passageways, and the fourth was provide accessibility for the first floor powder room with blocking in the walls for grab bar.

Some of that has already been approved and some hasn't.

What has been approved, what hasn't.

So we we currently have an amendment to the IRC that includes uh blocking in the first floor bathroom powder room at the at the required height.

Um we do not have the accessibility uh requirement in our uh amendment for the first floor powder room.

I think they're they're looking for a um a 32-inch uh clear path.

Uh we do not have that.

Um ability to turn in the back in the ability to turn in that powder room, we do not have that.

We just have the blocking and we have the door width requirement, uh 32-inch clear opening um on the first floor for accessible doors.

So a pantry may not be uh an accessible door, but a you know, a powder room obviously is.

So we have those now in addition to um outlet and uh light switch uh requirements to to meet the visibility, but we do not have the 42-inch clear hallway requirement.

Um my opinion is that's kind of a builder standard that I rarely see a hallway less than 42.

Um, and then um and we don't have the uh zero step entrance.

So thank you.

Uh next speaker is uh Christian Zenger.

Christian Zanger, 529 Spruce Drive.

Um I'm a local builder in Naperville.

Um I guess I'm I'm just making my name known.

I'd like to be part of this process moving forward with the building review board.

Um I understand there's more meetings coming up.

Um I I think that I just want to make sure that we are receiving it sounds like there's gonna be a stretch presentation.

We're gonna receive all of that information for our review uh as a builder, my review as a builder before giving further comments.

Is that the case?

Okay.

Can I respond to that?

Sure.

So this process has been going on for over a year now.

Um and yes, you are absolutely uh invited to to play a role in that process.

Uh we'll be having another meeting in a month, and and stretch codes will be on that agenda.

Okay, as well as uh a final recommendation for everything that we've talked about so far.

Um so if you need any anything, just reach out to me and I'll send you.

And it's all on the website on the agenda on that site.

Great.

Yeah, jumping into this.

Uh I got notified late yesterday of this meeting, so just want to make sure another process.

Thank you.

Kristen, just real quick.

Um, the address that you've written down here is a little bit different than what you stated.

Oh, I did give my business address.

My business is either ones find the 216 East Ogden.

You can reach me either way.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Next speaker is uh Tani Daker.

Oh no, sorry.

I'm just signing in.

Okay, no worries.

Uh next speaker, Chad Meese.

Yeah, my name's Chad Meese.

I live at 81 Red Start Road in Naperville.

Uh my business address is 522 North Washington Street in Naperville.

I am also a Naperville builder.

Um, just like Christian and everybody else.

Um, you know, I basically signed in, but I did want to come up and just express that um I as a Naperville builder, uh, I would like to find out Mark avenues for to get the information.

We have not, and shame on us for not or myself for not getting the information as far as any of the proposals that have been sent and the stretch code um request to adopt the the new stretch code.

Um there are concerns, and I could express those, but I'd like to see kind of what's been put forward to date.

Um that's never talked about is the cost of the infrastructure to prepare to build homes that meets meet these new stretch codes.

Um we're already putting uh car charging ready stations in a house, which requires typically uh at a minimum a 20-amp dedicated circuit to it.

My understanding of what else is coming forward is gonna require a lot more uh circuit ready.

Doesn't mean we have to pull wire or have anything to it yet, but we have to have the power available to provide that if it is um put in place in the future, which is pretty much gonna put every new home at a 400-amp service.

Um again, I would like to get more information to understand exactly if what I'm speaking is the truth, but as a builder for the last 20 years in this town, um, I think it was already if you started bringing power to every charging station that is going to be built over the next several years.

We do not have the infrastructure to support it.

Um, you know, I did hear somebody say as well the you know we've we've had very consistent electrical service in Naperville, and I think that's something that Naparel's done a great job.

Um I don't know, I heard a statistic, it was less than like 16 minutes of downtime in this city.

I have a concern uh when you start demanding 400 amp services in every home, car charging stations, electric ovens, and all this high demand, um, not to mention possibly switching service providers that uh there that is not going to be the case moving forward.

So just want to really make sure that we as the building community, and we are an advocate, we're not here to we just want to make sure that it makes sense what we're doing, that uh you know, all the facts are are out there so that people can make um an educated decision as a community moving forward, both in new building.

I primarily do remodeling.

Um, and so at what point are these now gonna be part of the requirements as far as a remodeler?

And sure, in new construction, it's a lot cheaper if we're retrofitting an entire house, every door opening, new services, um, you know, zero threshold for everything, walking a house.

It starts to add up pretty quick.

And and um, you know, are we forcing people to tear every house down and just start over?

You know, so there's just a lot of things that I'd be very curious to see.

I want to understand, I want to express that, make sure that everybody has all the information moving forward, and we can make an educative decision as a community.

That's thanks.

Thank you, Chad.

So the next item for today, we have two items.

Uh, one is to approve the meeting minutes from the last building review board meeting.

Do the commissioners have any corrections or clarifications on the May 21st, 2025 meeting minutes as drafted.

Any questions from anyone?

Okay.

So all those in favor say aye.

Any aye?

Any nays.

Okay, so the meeting minutes are approved.

The next item is continuation of building review board case 11.

Um, to provide feedback on significant changes identified through the 2024 building code update.

We'll start with the city uh staff presentation, please.

Thank you.

Uh, my name is Mark Dudash, uh chief building official.

Um, let me start off by uh uh addressing some of the the comments.

Um, as far as the stretch code goes, um, that's gonna be next month, and we did that on purpose.

Uh, we isolated that one because it is such a complex topic.

Um, it's there's a lot of misunderstanding, there's a lot of fear, um, there's a lot of information, lots of misinformation, um, but it is a uh very complex topic, and I'll be sending all you guys um a lot of information in the next month uh in preparation for that.

Um, and and I'll send it to anybody else that's interested also.

Um, but it is gonna be um it's gonna be a debate.

Um, and then next month also I'll be looking for uh formal recommendations on all these codes that we've talked about um so for um so far.

So uh so um tonight my my plan is to uh to continue the uh the talk about the significant code changes from the uh going from the 2018 to the 24 codes.

Um I have uh I I've sent everybody and it's it's been in the agenda in the attachments.

I have uh two lists.

I have a master list that has about 136 uh significant code changes that that have been identified.

Um there are far more than 136, but those are just the highlights out of all the codes that we adopt here in town.

Um, and then there's a top 50 list uh that kind of breaks it down a little bit farther.

Um, but I'd I'd love to to answer any questions that you guys may have on that.

Um after that, I'd like to go into staff recommendations and we can we can talk further on that.

Um, and then we'll bring up um in the IRC is the visitability, which has been brought up already, and we can we can revisit that and talk about that in in depth uh if we need to.

Um and keep in mind next month we will be meeting again, and we can we can discuss some of the uh the the issues that are kind of lingering.

Uh but again next month I I do I am gonna need some some recommendation on on how to proceed.

So um does anybody have any questions uh about these significant code changes?

And if you do, are they in the master or the top 50 list?

I've got questions in the top 50 list.

Okay.

I put mine in the uh master list, so why don't you go first in Easy?

Okay.

Okay, so I'll go ahead and start uh item number one.

Um just a quick question on that.

Are there any ventilation revisions to talk about uh sprinkler?

But are any ventilation requirements or revisions need to be made?

In number one, you mean um item number one?

Item number one item number one in the top 50, yeah.

Talks about the uh the battery systems, battery storage systems.

Uh you know, to be honest, I can't answer that off the top of my head right now.

Um, but I I know that the sprinkler requirements have been changed drastically uh because of the the thermal runaway of the lithium ion batteries.

Um mainly in um in garage areas and and uh yeah, battery storage areas.

Um mechanically, uh as far as ventilation goes, I I can't tell you off the top of my head, but I would I would say absolutely, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

But I can get back to you on that on a definite answer.

Hey Nisa, I'm gonna jump in here since it's on the same topic.

So in the on the master list, uh it was also called sprinkler protection for batteries.

So I think that's exactly the same thing.

And doing some research, water and lithium is not the way to go.

Yeah.

So I would think that's why you probably have the fire department looking at this.

Uh unfortunately, uh and stop me if I'm I'm speaking out of turn here, Ben, but um but uh ultimately in the beginning is just keeping that heat down and and just right, uh just keep it cool, pour as much water as you possibly can on it until you can get some sort of chemical.

Yeah, that's the main idea.

Sorry.

That's the main idea of that is to what the sprinkler requirement is to keep it cool until we can do other measures to try to put the fire out.

There are other um alternative, uh we'll say alternative uh suppression systems out there that may also be in you know instilled in this, but you're always gonna have the sprinkler as a backup to whatever's put in put into the actual storage area.

All right.

And just I guess for clarification, um, I thought adding water to lithium actually could make the fire grow.

Or am I depends on the situation.

I hate to say that, but it depends.

It depends.

I mean, if it's on a runaway and just smoking the water will help it stay down if it's literally on fire, the water is gonna keep it contained to where it's at instead of spreading it to any other areas.

Okay, again, you're welcome.

My next comment was I think uh three and four are repeats, just uh just a quick point to make there.

And then um the next one I had a question on was item 16.

Um are we doing inspections or are we doing testing?

Because the the column D talks about inspections and column M talks about actual third-party testing.

So are we just doing inspections of it that yes it's been installed checkbox, or are we actually testing to make sure these fire stops and things are are actually working?

So you're on the top 50 list?

Yeah, top 50 list.

I'm sorry.

All of mine are top 50 list.

Okay, so this is third-party testing, yes.

Uh so they have their methods and and I I believe um generally with the third-party testing, it's it's almost um uh sometimes it's almost taken a core sample of the actual fire stop in some cases, you know, just to make sure it's the right depth or the right thickness uh per the manufacturer's man uh installation instructions, which is really the key with with these types of systems.

Um the city staff would do the inspection to make sure it's been installed, yeah, and then the third party would come in and do actual testing then exactly.

Yeah, kind of like steel connections, right?

Where we're we're gonna make sure they're bolted together, but we're not gonna get up there and torque test them.

You know, it's it's it's the third-party specialist that's going to do this because these systems are getting very complicated.

Yeah.

Got it.

All right.

Um item 17 talks about allow steeper slopes for exterior landings.

My only concern with that was just ice formation.

You know, sometimes it's so cold that immediately ice forms and there's any slippage issues for people versus when it's more flat.

Yeah, I I think they put this in there as kind of uh just relief because you know the the the old code was so so strict with the two percent that um sometimes you just can't meet that and you want a uh more slope to get that water away to prevent the ice.

Yeah.

The the wording on this one was odd in that it said you can pitch uh in the direction of exit travel.

And if I've got a landing and I've got a ramp coming perpendicular to the wall, that's fine and good.

It's already gonna be a ramp.

But if I've got a stair or a ramp going parallel to that sidewall, if I have to pitch going down the ramp, that doesn't help bring that water away from the house.

I think that if we're gonna adopt it, the wording should say uh allow it to pitch away from the structure rather than in the direction of exit travel.

Okay, all right.

Good point.

We could we could change language in in this process, absolutely.

If you could, would you be able to send me an email on that just to specify?

Um my next item was 24.

Um my only concern was when we talk about um replacement of the fittings.

The initial installation would be good, but if uh how do we know a homeowner when they replace a fitting would replace it with the right fitting?

They can get a they can get a fitting that doesn't allow that recirculation, right?

So you're you're talking about the uh 24 of the top 50, which is the concentric.

Yeah, so that's a new that's a new thing.

Um, you know, as long as it's listed and labeled for that intended use, it is allowed to be to be used.

Yeah, because I've seen just in my career just multiple places where an intake is too close to an exhaust on uh rooftop units or whatever, and they do cross contaminate a little bit.

So well, and and in these in these uh these devices, I mean the manufacturer's installation instructions are very very specific, and and it everything has to be met, and those instructions are given to us before we go out there for an inspection so we can verify that it is.

But they they are odd looking, yeah.

Yeah, you look at it and think, no way does this comply, but they're they're if someone's replacing them, can they replace one that is not billed for that?

Uh or is it or is it very clearly labeled that this is a special fitting?

It would be in the manufacturer's installation instructions if it was allowed to replace a standard you know two-pipe system.

Okay.

Um let's see here.

Oh, uh item 36.

I think there's an error in item 36.

Yeah.

Um it talks about island and peninsula.

Oh, yeah, tops.

Yeah.

So that one I I actually saw that earlier.

This is an interesting one too, because um they no longer require electrical outlets on an island um because of too many accidents, um, but they still require a conduit to it.

Um, but yes, the the text about pulling potentially noxious air, yes, that's a it's a misprint.

All right.

That's the last one I had.

Okay.

All right.

Move on to my um list here.

So I went off the master list smart.

So sorry, we didn't have coordination here, but um the first one I had was um on number 53.

So you can go to number 53.

And that was just a I think there's a wrong comment in column M.

And in the it becomes pretty obvious.

We're talking about pre-cast concrete, and then we're talking about mass timber.

I think in the the top 50, they have the right comment from line 14.

Sorry, a lot of a lot of copy paste and go on.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, a lot of a lot of special inspections in the uh in the updated codes.

Yeah, ready for the next one?

Yes, all right.

Uh line 80, where we talk about the allowing the 10 amp branch circuits.

Yes.

Um I went and did a little research on that, and there's a lot of ways to define branch circuit.

So I I think I get the intent.

You don't want someone to put an outlet on when it's a lower capability circuit.

This is an odd one.

I I'm surprised the NEC is letting this one go, but it's it's such an odd one that I don't see contractors actually using this uh for a 10-amp circuit just for what a lighting and fan exhaust.

Uh yeah, so when when you say 10 amp, I mean you are you thinking that there's a 10 amp breaker down in the box and you're gonna run yeah, that that to me just seems really odd.

Why would you it seems like uh an opportunity for a homeowner to do something that they shouldn't do?

Um yeah, that that was my first thought when I saw it.

And the homeowner going in there and saying, you know, let me put a 15 or 20 in here.

Yeah, yeah.

I I just worry that they put something on there that you but the thing is is they don't they don't allow it for general purpose outlets, you know, it's only for lighting and fans, right?

So number one, I don't see the contractors using this very often because it is odd.

Um, why would you go by 10 amp wire when you have a bunch of 15 and 20 on the van?

Yeah, um, and second of all, it's just it's it's an opportunity for a lot of callbacks.

Um I when I first saw this, I said, let's amend this out.

This is crazy.

And then the more I thought about it, I don't think it's gonna be an issue because I don't think the contractors are gonna use it.

I really don't.

Maybe we get some feedback from contractors on that.

Sure, because I I was thinking in it would be a 10-amp circuit off of an existing circuit.

No, you know, and you went one.

Yeah, well, yeah.

So all right, yeah, definitely.

Um I didn't get a chance to research this one, but down on line 96, it talks about splash pads, and it says splash pads should follow pool requirements.

And it's about part two being permanently stalled.

You know, a splash pad doesn't have depth and and whatnot.

So I was could this be too restrictive for a splash pad or well.

I I think when they're they're talking about the requirements for a splash pad, they're talking about the uh the bonding uh that's required for commercial pools, um, which uh these splash pads are becoming more and more common, and there's just a gray area as far as what requirements you had to follow.

And and really with these pools, bonding is the is the big thing, you know, just keeping everything equally uh the potential the same.

Uh so you you eliminate the uh the shock hazards.

Um and I think that this clears that up so they say, All right, the splash pads follow pools.

Same thing.

This is on the more on the electrical side then it is absolutely that makes that makes sense.

Yes, all right.

And then the last one.

Um there was a uh line 133 where we talk about having two water service pipes going into a large building.

Um I'm sure there's clarification on this, but if you need the shutoff service to the building for some reason, yeah.

How how do you coordinate all this or so?

So I actually asked our our water guy about this.

Um he said that we already require two pipes, so it's it we already have a redundant system.

So that it's it's a requirement through Naperville, uh, the the water department for these types of buildings to have a redundant system of a redundant system.

Yeah.

So we're already there.

All right.

That was it for me.

Anyone else have any questions?

I had a couple of questions, but back on the 50.

Okay.

Top 15.

Okay, what number?

Well, the the first was numbers five through eight.

You know, it just says that the fire department is gonna uh review these, and I'm just wondering if they have uh any disagreement with those items or not.

So Ben, maybe you could back me up on this one, but a lot of the um amendments that are not amendments, but significant changes with this regarding fire.

We already have amendments in to the fire code and to the IBC in in our municipal code that did pretty much trump all this.

Okay, um, so a lot of this is irrelevant, but they were significant, but we've already um we've already adopted these um one, two number uh number twenty.

Uh it's about the rating on garage doors and an increase in the wind load and various calculations necessary to do that.

Is the city obligated to verify the pounds per square foot on the sticker on the manufactured door?

Or what number are what number are you on?

That was number uh 20, I believe.

Okay, yeah, this is one that uh some of the contractors are upset about.

Um this is something that I'm I'm hearing there's a lot of lead time on this one uh where these doors just aren't available yet.

Um and yeah, I I don't know.

I mean, this is something that we we could amend out, uh, but it was it was there just uh just to cause issues with these garage doors blowing away in a wind event.

This is not designed for uh or tornado, um it's just a wind event.

If it's something you you want me to consider amending, we can we can do that.

Um more to the the point is when I compared the 2018 code to the 2024 code, um there are uh fairly hefty um serious calculations done to determine which label which to specify which pounds per square foot, and uh is is that now gonna be the responsibility of the design professionals to go through these garage doors and specify a pounds per square foot, or is that something that the contractor is gonna be responsible to do?

Or does the city look to who do they look to to see if it's supposed to be 26 or 32 pounds?

Yeah, I I think we would rely on the architect to is if he stamped the drawings and said that that was uh that was appropriate, we would we would have to assume that he did the calculations uh appropriately.

Okay, I think they'd have that like a door fixture schedule within the architectural plans, and then in that door fixture schedule they would have the ratings of that garage door.

Okay, yeah, or or a note of some sort saying that it meets the uh meets the 24 code.

Great.

But yeah, the 24 code is much better than the 2018, so I think we should adopt it.

I just was trying to figure out uh the liability issue there.

Okay.

Um this requirement um was a little uh confusing to me regarding um a draft hood having to be in a separate room, and I'm envisioning commercial kitchens and equipment that some of which is under the main hood, which has makeup air, and there's no change in the pressures involved that would affect other more remote elements.

Um I I think this is something to handle um maybe uh a restaurant that doesn't necessarily have the the calcs available to give the uh the building code a little teeth to to prevent that you know that the drafting issue.

Um if there is proper makeup error and it is proven, you know, with calculations, I'm sure that there's there's exceptions to this one.

Okay.

And then there was one about um commercial uh number 22.

I'm sorry to go back about the commercial appliances.

And yes, I have seen a whole lot of uh higher end housing that automatically specifies the biggest best commercial kitchen and cooking equipment and so forth, and I'm not happy with the idea that an engineer stamping the plants cannot you know supersede this not allowed uh statement.

I think people ought to be able to choose that equipment, and if they have to pay to have you know an engineer stamp it as acceptable, then they ought to be able to select that uh equipment.

I I guess I I interpreted this as um you know commercial like a mushroom fan hanging hanging off the side of someone's garage.

I guess the kitchen the the range hood and the range and those sorts of things as well.

But you're talking more of a uh high super high-end residential slash commercial kitchen.

I think that there can be um common sense exceptions to this.

I I I like I said I took this as someone who's got a catering business running out of their garage.

Um that's that's what I'm imagining.

I think that that's what they're trying to cut down on.

Okay, all right.

When when does like when you talk about commercial, like I've seen like commercial kitchens or whatever, they have some kind of fire suppression systems built in them too, right?

Right.

So where does it in a residential, I'm sorry, in a residential area, obviously we don't have fire suppression.

We're just talking about exhaust, but I'm not sure where that's suppression system comes in to play.

Well, uh a commercial kitchen would require suppression, right?

And a commercial kitchen wouldn't be located in a residence um as far as as far as I'm concerned.

Um, and I think that's the that's the dividing line is if someone has a commercial kitchen in their in their residence, then it's no longer a residence, it's a business.

And that we would require we would require you know commercial hood with with suppression.

And I and I think the engineer reviewing it if they had to have one would do the same thing, yeah.

And whatever else, yeah, yeah.

It sounds like a very unique situation that they would have to be handled very very specifically.

Any other questions?

Um just uh on number 43, the um emergency electrical disconnect on the exterior of every unit and every building.

Um that um certainly is a great life safety issue.

I just I'm concerned about security.

Somebody can come and turn off all your power in the middle of the night and you uh well these disconnects are lockable.

Um you can lock them in the in the uh the on position.

It kind of defeats the purpose, but they are lockable.

Um if that is a concern.

Um I I I mean, we we have disconnects on half of our you know electric services here in town anyway.

So this this one I I don't really mind.

Um and it is a safety feature, and the fire department loves it too.

Um they'll just come with the bolt cutters and whatever and get get it through that anyway.

I can't speak I can't speak for them, but I'm sure they have bolt cutters and a sledgehammer and everything ready to go.

Yeah.

Um yeah, but it can be locked.

Okay.

Actually, I did see another requirement that did talk about some type of disconnect or something being secured.

And I can't remember where that was in the whole list, but yeah, I that did talk about securing something on you know, from so people can't just can't open it and do something.

Okay.

I don't I don't remember that one.

But that's that's that's standard electrical code that you know you gotta have you know, your panel has to be locked if it's open to the public, it's gotta be key.

Right.

Yeah.

And that's all I have.

Okay.

Anyone else have any questions from the board?

Okay, if if not, uh Mark, do we need to open up to public testimony?

Um well, I was gonna go through the um the staff recommendations and then kind of open it back up for the visitability uh conversation.

All right.

So this one I think is pretty important.

Um this uh property maintenance code.

It's kind of an obscure code, but we use it for uh for property maintenance.

Um and now there is a exception that they put in there that basically says if you have a in-ground swimming pool, um, if there's a power cover, you don't need a fence.

Uh so we this same code exists in the uh international swimming pool, swimming pool and spa code, and we amended that language out um years ago.

I don't know how long.

Um so this is a mere image, and I and I want to make sure that we amend this so there's no confusion.

Um because I I feel like it's a very important one.

Um I'll agree with that, Mark.

I I did look up this code and saw how you guys were taking out that exclusion for swimming pools.

It and it it's it's kind of odd the language that they used, um, but it it satisfies the uh the code.

Yeah, I definitely um agree with that.

My only question was um do we allow above ground swimming pools at all?

Yeah, so above ground swimming pools, um, it depends on the height of the wall, but sometimes the wall of it, if it's over 48 inches, that that is the barrier necessarily.

But then you also have to have a lockable ladder.

Um there's there's all kinds of requirements for pools.

Um gate swing.

Uh for in ground mostly uh there's the the fence and gate swing requirements.

So this is specific to in ground only.

Yes, this is specific to in ground.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Uh next one is wait, did I miss one?

No.

Next one is the National Electric Code.

Um I I didn't see anything that I was interested in amending.

Um, like you brought up about the 10 amp circuits.

Um, that's something that that kind of came across my my radar, and I I didn't um I didn't think that it was really necessary, but I I can um I can propose some language for that.

We already have some existing amendments to it that um that ban um Romex.

Um we we've changed the tamper resistant requirements and arc fault requirements, but seem to us it's worked pretty well for us so far.

We only require arc faults in bedrooms.

Um it seems like it's it's been working just fine.

We've done that for quite a while.

Um so I I recommend that we we just basically keep the NEC the same.

Um again, if you want to you want to talk about that 10 amp um uh circuit, we can we can talk further.

Um the IRC, I'm gonna save that one for last because that's gonna have the visitability stuff in it.

We'll we'll talk about that later.

Um the IBC, uh that's the big one.

Uh there's there's a million changes uh in the IBC.

A lot of them are um I think a lot of them are just administrative.

There was a lot of cleaning up of language, a lot of cleaning up of um just confusing topics, and I appreciate that.

Uh one thing that I am interested in discussing further, and Eric, I'm sure you're you're very familiar with this one.

Um, is there's an exception for um for elevator requirements in in buildings that are over four four stories?

Uh it says if you have a sprinkler, um it doesn't need to be an accessible means of egress.

I I we we ran across some issues where um people are trying to uh get out of this and and it's uh it's it's understandable because it it's a cost because you have to back up the elevators with a generator.

Um that's the big one.

Um and I I would just like to bring it up for for discussion to see what you guys think.

Um because I like the idea of having a truly accessible elevator for buildings over four stories.

Uh I think that's a great idea.

Um, but this exception eliminates that if there's a sprinkler system in the building.

Does does this apply to multi-family?

Yes, not single family.

Multi-family, yes.

This would be commercial multi-family.

And is it how about a two-flat or a four-flat?

No, you know, like row row homes.

No, no, there wouldn't be an elevator requirement.

This this is mainly, you know, basically five stories and and larger.

Um the the question is is the cost of the um backing up that of that elevator with generator power.

I mean, you you're you're you're talking a couple hundred thousand dollars, uh, and that's a cost that we would be putting on the builder.

Um so it's something to think about.

Like I said, we don't have to decide.

We had anybody request a variance.

Uh well, we don't need to request a variance right now.

They well, is anybody built one, I guess, is a better way to ask.

Yes, yeah, there's actually one being built as we speak.

Um, that is uh they're following the rules.

Um they have an elevator, uh, it's just not an accessible means of egress, which means that it's it doesn't have battery backup or doesn't have generator backup, I should say.

So they did use this exception, yes.

Um, and there was nothing we can do about it.

But they still it's still safe.

I'm not saying that it's not safe, it still meets all the requirements of the international building code.

But this elevator is not truly accessible.

And there's no UPS that would be adequate to bring that down.

There wasn't one planned for that, yeah.

Because I'm just I hear that hundred thousand dollars is a large enough.

And there is a an argument is UPS technically considered a standby power for an elevator.

Uh a lot of people want to see a generator.

Um so there's that argument too.

But we don't have to decide this one tonight, but it's just something to something to ponder for for next next meeting, and we can we can talk more.

Uh the international plumbing code.

So we use the Illinois Plumbing Code mostly.

Um the International Plumbing Code we adopt because it it talks about things that are not in the Illinois Plumbing Code, such as uh uh subsurface drainage, um you know, relining of sewers.

So we do have quite a few amendments that's that was in an attachment that I can I can show.

Um there's just a lot of language that we want to add as far as the relining of of sewers.

Um mostly administrative stuff.

It's really it's nothing life-changing.

Um then also we would like to get rid of the um the fixture section in the International Plumbing Code because the Illinois has that section, so it causes confusion for contractors, especially out-of-state contractors who don't know which book to go off of.

So we would eliminate the uh the required plumbing fixture section from the um the IPC, the international, and then add that language for relining of sewers, which was again in the attachments.

Let's see.

So the the main change with the fire code is that uh basically they're they're deleting um a section I I guess they're they're deleting a section and replacing it with all parking garages per NFPA 88A shall be sprinkled.

So that is increasing the requirements for sprinklers uh in parking garages.

And you would have to back me up on that one.

You you'd uh you have to give me some details on that one.

I'm not a hundred percent sure.

Okay, uh here's the situation.

In the new uh believe it's the building code.

Um they don't require sprinklers in certain parking garage situations, but in the NFPA code that governs the how you build a parking garage, they require sprinklers in all parking garages.

So we got a conflict with the codes, and basically when it comes to codes, and I'm sure uh uh Mark can back me up on this.

We always go for the more stringent one, stringent one, which would be the NFA code stating that all parking garages uh get sprinkled.

So is it something I'm gonna die in the hill for?

No, but I thought it would be something that we should bring up, especially now that we have the electric charging going into these parking garages and LP cars going into these parking garages.

I personally think, and of course I always will go on the side of sprinklers.

So that's the reason why this was brought up for a possible change.

So staff staff recommends um adopting the 2024 uh IFC with the uh the proposed amendments and existing amendments.

Uh Illinois State Plumbing Code, no changes.

Uh these are just our current amendments.

Uh uh, we have a ban on plastic piping for water distribution.

Okay, now we'll talk about the the IRC.

All right, so IRC um like I said, like we've been talking about the uh the A ACTF has uh has recommended adopting the um uh four four things.

Uh accessible first floor powder rooms, uh step-free entrances, hallways to be 42 inches, and the uh the powder rooms to be uh um accessible uh to wheelchairs.

Um like I said before, we have already adopted and amended the IRC to include uh the blocking requirements on the first floor and the uh the widths of the doors.

Um I feel that the hallways are already at 42 inches, but it again it's not codified.

Um the the two main sticking points is the um is gonna be the accessible powder rooms and the uh step-free entrances, which in my opinion I think is is burdensome on the on the builder.

Um I think that there are some engineering considerations that that have to be taken into account uh as far as drainage, uh as far as uh just how do you how do you drop grade um do you do you modify the foundation to accept the the rim joist?

I it's just there's there's a lot of considerations that have to be that have to be thought about before we we accept this.

Um and again that from an engineering standpoint and a cost standpoint, I feel that homes can be retrofitted relatively simple, simply to accept a ramp in most cases, not not all cases.

Um I I know that there's an option to put a ramp in a garage, um and and that's that sounds great.

Uh it just it takes up a lot of room in a garage if you're gonna do that because of the required slope.

Um there was an option to bring that ramp around the side of the house.

Um that that could work.

Um again, uh, we're gonna run into grading issues, I think.

Um, and I think it's just uh it's a it's a burden that I I don't want to put on the builders, uh, and that's that's my opinion.

Uh so I'm gonna I'm gonna give it to to anybody that wants to speak on the uh uh about this visibility to kind of rebut my my claims as far as the engineering and the the drainage.

Uh do you guys have any questions for me as far as the visitability goes?

Um Mark, I have a question.

So I mean Naperville is pretty well built out, right?

I don't think we have any real green fields left.

We we hear that all the time, and they tend to keep finding more.

Yeah.

Anyways, so my thought on this is I like the idea.

Uh all values aside and stuff.

I mean, when I say value like money value, I think it's a great idea.

However, if I'm refurbishing my home, what would be a threshold to trigger that this these requirements would happen?

So do we have any thoughts on that or well, right now the the codes that we have in place only pertain to single family news new construction, new single family homes, duplexes.

Yeah.

So if it's basically a total tear down, well if it's a total teardown, that's a new home.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

If it's more than 50%, it's a new home, yeah.

Um but i if it's just a uh a small remodel, a small addition, no, we we we wouldn't have the authority to go and and make you um put a ramp in.

Okay.

I'd just like to see that define that better, just so people know.

Okay.

You know, there's doesn't become a gray area there.

Okay.

So in the in the powder room, there was a comment made around about turning around what is that diameter, three feet or something, if I remember.

Would would it be 32 inches or would it be more than all over um we do 54 inches?

54.

Because the enter, be able to turn, close the door behind you.

Okay.

Um access the toilet in the space often between the toilet and the tub is not enough to approach the toilet safely in a wheelchair and actually do the transfer.

So would it be a would it be a 32 inch wide by 54 inch kind of rectangle?

Okay.

Okay, which is not unreasonable.

I mean, a typical powder room is usually 54 inches in depth anyway.

It's that 32 inches uh width that they would be able to do.

And to turn my chair, for example.

Um I'll come on here where everybody can see it.

Oh, yeah, hi.

I'll come out where everyone can see my chair.

I engineered my chair specifically, so my my feet are tucked in very tight.

So I can sit in a 36-inch turning radius.

Most people cannot, especially those who have an electric chair, they're much bulkier back to front with the battery on the back and the feet extending out forward.

So turning those chairs take a much wider turning radius.

Um can I can I continue to speak on this?

Is great.

Okay.

Um, I love the questions.

Thank you very much.

Um, I did want to assure um both the board and the builders that came before visitability is only in new construction because the the point is that from the builds from the initial build, it is on a slab, it's zero dollars to do it.

Um and for um over a basement, speaking to the grading issues and stuff, these um have been well documented on how to change the grading so that instead of mounting on top of the foundation, it intersects with the foundation at a lower level to reduce that level of grading of the ramp to get into the home.

Um there is in your packet, if you look at the back page of your packet, um, where it says slide deck with information implementation.

I did not have that when we spoke before.

This is um from the concrete change people who came up with visitability in the beginning.

It's 138 pages and includes very detailed instructions on how that is accomplishable.

Um, the other thing I wanted to talk about is on implementation and burden on builders in Bowlingbrook.

Um, the process to from the ideation of visitability to the implementation of the code was about two years, and during this time, there was many discussions with the builders, we had talks about costs.

That was the most significant concern was the cost.

And there was um then I just had a discussion this morning with the former mayor of Bowlingbrook, who was the one who um really championed the buy-in, it was a citizen initiative, but he really took it on and understood that over the course of time anybody could become disabled, and then rehabbing a home is significantly expensive into the tens and even a hundred thousand dollars.

So this seemed to make sense as far as not having to worry about that over the future for all of the residents, but um, they found you know, you guys already have the blocking for the grab bars, that's not an expensive fix, it's pretty easy to do with scrap lumber.

Um, doors, the wider doors do cost a little bit more.

Um, but it's only a few doors on the first floor.

The second floors are not required to have these accommodations.

Again, it's visitability and not accessibility.

It makes it so your home can be visited by someone with a mobility disability.

It's not ADA compliance or any of those things.

Um the entrance to the garage, um, through the garage, they found issues with fire codes sometimes.

Um, and so they most often chose to do a side entrance.

It also allows for longer ramp access.

So that ease the burdens as far as trying to grade the front area.

So the other thing they did to reduce the burden on the grade in order to make the ramps accessible, was they grade the whole lawn up and they grade the driveway because if you drive the car up, there's less space, less ramp for the person to go as well.

So those were some of the issues that came out of that, and the the ways though those were resolved.

The other thing that they did, um they worked with the builders, they talked to them about what the burdens were, what the needs were.

Obviously, plans had been drawn.

There were builders who are already building communities.

What do they do?

After the code was passed, they had an entire year for people to come to compliance.

There was that allowance made so that people could redraw plans or adjust the ways that um they built out the next stage of their neighborhoods that they were building.

So I hope that helps a little bit.

Um, and I'm I'm happy to take any questions about anything as well.

Thank you.

Sure.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

You know, just a thought.

It would seem to me that most homes being built today, which aren't like the existing homes, have first floor masters.

And that I wonder if you could just require that a bathroom on the first floor.

Just one.

It doesn't have to be a full body.

But I well, but we've been using the term powder room.

And I'm saying if the powder room were small, but the master could probably accommodate it.

Absolutely.

That might be acceptable.

Yeah, that would fulfill the the ask of the ACTF, just one accessible battery.

Is there anybody from the building community that wants to speak at all about this matter?

We have extra patterns with us as well.

Christian with uh Autumn Homes once again.

Um totally appreciate all the comments regarding visitability.

Um, in total support of Grab Bar backing, as we've had for years.

Um, as far as 210 openings, I believe that's been in place for 15 years, as long as I I can recall.

Um we do work in Bowlingbrook as well as Naperville.

I think Bowlingbrook has some attributes that they might be better set up to accommodate perhaps a grade change, or perhaps an additional space in the garage where you can accommodate a ramp.

The work we do in Naperville, it's typically tear down.

We're fighting for every square inch.

And if you're telling me a client of mine that, hey, instead of a two-car garage, you're gonna have a two point eight car garage or whatever it might be, one point eight car garage.

I think that's gonna be a piece of feedback I'm gonna hear repetitively, quite honestly, to take that valuable real estate for something that honestly maybe they they don't have value in and it you know, understand the visitability, but we build for consumers and they make their choices accordingly to what their needs are.

Um like I say in Bowlingbrook, I have been part of that case study.

I have seen it in action.

Um built a home, two homes last year.

They have, and these these homes are talking about modifying the foundation.

What you're talking about is like a reverse ledge where we can put that home straight on grade.

That cost to us, you're probably looking at about 5,000 to 7500 for one home.

On top of that, so if if we don't have the reverse ledge, then you have the ramp.

Those end up being made of concrete.

I'd simply charge about 2500 for those just for you know, just talking about the dollars and cents.

Um, and they're typically 25 foot by four foot with a handrail on both sides, so they do take up quite a bit of space there, just to give you background on that.

And uh I think that's it.

I appreciate the numbers.

Thank you.

It's been very difficult to get a hold of that paper over Chad and Messio, the red starred construction.

Um, just to add to what Christian said, and I think uh Jeff Gross, you had mentioned clarity and new construction versus remodeling.

Yep, um, and this I think would help because we've run into this in Bowling Brook with the remodeling and going back and forth on we're not new construction, we can't do everything that and it's and it goes to plan review, and a lot of times once things are in the book, they're in the book, and some new plan reviewers or whoever it might be might not understand.

And in this day and age where everything goes through a portal and you can't talk to a human anymore, there's no conversation, it's just fail, resubmit, fail, resubmit.

So I would like to see some clarification definition that you know, whatever we're gonna do for visibility is for new construction only, not remodeling.

And I and I will also back Christian on what he was saying about some of this.

Yeah, so sorry, um, or we can talk after.

I'm very interested.

I'd be happy to advocate with the village about that being like having them bring issue with remodel versus people.

Being like having them bring issue with remodel versus if you will.

Yeah, I think like I wouldn't want to go back now, but if that case and having your information, yeah.

For future, I think having somebody that had been part of that and explaining that versus the builder just saying I don't want to do that, you know, um for this reason would be beneficial to the builder too.

So yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

Yep, thanks.

All right.

Uh that's that's all that I have.

Um again, um, I'm not looking for any recommendations at this time.

Uh just uh just for next next month.

I just ask that you kind of try to digest this.

Um, send me whatever comments you have, questions.

I know I didn't answer some of those questions very well.

Uh, because there's a lot, there's a lot in there.

Um, but I'd be happy to answer whatever I can.

Um we're gonna be talking about energy codes, um, you know, substantial.

There's a lot of information to take in uh next month.

So again, that's that's all I got.

Thank you.

The next item is uh board and commissioner Commission member training PowerPoint.

Do you have to close the meeting or is this?

I don't think so.

That's part of the meeting according to the agenda.

All right, okay.

Ben, you don't have to stick around for this.

Uh here you don't know.

Okay, guys, let's let's get through this here.

All right, so this is 2025 uh Naperville Board and Commission member training.

Um we're gonna be talking about the importance of boards and commissions in Naperville, uh, board and commission member responsibilities, meeting rules and participation, uh specifically OMA.

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Uh overview.

Uh Naperville is an active community that strongly relies on community spirit to fill over 150 volunteer positions at on almost 20 boards and commissions.

That's incredible.

Like I didn't know that until I read that.

That is incredible.

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Oh, shoot.

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There we go.

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So this this is a good table.

I like this.

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That's why I'm always so paranoid about I don't want to break that rule.

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Thank you.

It wasn't so bad.

Very good, Mark.

All right.

Well, before we end, I just want to state um that again, you know, next month.

If if everything works out, you know, if we get a quorum and everything, um, there's gonna be a lot to talk about.

Um, the energy code, there's a lot of information there.

Um, but I'll be sending you guys a lot of stuff the next month, okay.

And Mark, that's the 17th.

Um, it is the third Wednesday in September.

I is that 17th?

It is the 17th.

Okay, yeah, two o'clock that Wednesday.

And again, these these times are negotiable.

So if if I get no one, if no one could be here, then I can move these times around, but I'd really like to keep them consistently when the third Wednesday at two o'clock.

All right, so there's no old business today.

Any new business that anybody wants to bring up?

Nope.

No, nothing.

All right, I'd recommend a uh or entertain a motion to adjourn.

So we'll I'll second.

Second.

All in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any nays?

All right, meeting is adjourned.

Thank you, everyone.

Thank you.

Yep.

Thanks and ease.