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ULI Technical Assistance Panel on Fifth Avenue Station Area - September 10, 2025

City CouncilWednesday, September 10, 2025
BodyNaperville, Illinois
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, September 10, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
5:47

Good evening, everybody.

5:51

Well, let's take a couple of minutes for everybody to get settled, and then we'll uh we'll jump into the presentation tonight.

5:57

I just want to be respectful of people's time.

6:00

So what do you what do we say we get started in about two minutes?

6:04

So find a seat and say hi to your friends and neighbors, and we'll be right back with you.

7:19

Thank you, everybody for um for being a part of this event tonight.

7:24

Um my name is John Talty.

7:26

I was the fortunate uh chairperson for this ULI study uh for your community.

7:33

Um the people at this dais are normally on the other side of this table, so if we have a you know, if we get real comfortable up here, it's just the fact that you know we're kind of relishing this chair versus the chair that's often on the other side.

7:49

Um so uh again, we thank you very, very much for letting us be a part of this conversation.

7:56

Um an architect.

7:58

My day job is that of being an architect in the city of Chicago.

8:02

I'm chairman of a company called OKW Architects.

8:07

Um we like everyone else at this in this panel uh are very comfortable with the tasks at hand that were part and parcel with this uh with this effort uh with this investigation and the subsequent report.

8:23

So these are things that are very um uh that come very naturally to us.

8:28

Uh I'm very confident in who we are and and the kind of the findings that we came up with.

8:34

Uh, but but in order to kick all this off, I'd like for you to meet the people, all of which are far smarter than I, who are uh on the dais with us tonight.

8:44

So starting on my left, um, I'd like to ask everyone to just say hello and and introduce themselves.

8:51

Thanks, John.

8:52

Hi, I'm Alan Barker.

8:53

I am also an architect.

8:55

I'm a principal at Lamar Johnson Collaborative in the City of Chicago.

9:00

And my name's Bill Loftus.

9:02

I'm a civil engineer.

9:03

Uh, participate with a civil engineering and surveying firm out of Rosemont uh Spaceco, Inc.

9:10

Good evening.

9:11

My name is Hal Frank.

9:13

I'm an attorney with the law firm of Meltzer, Brutil, and STELL.

9:17

We have offices downtown and also in Schaumburg.

9:20

I've uh spent the bulk of my career doing entitlement work and uh zoning work for both uh for-profit and not for profit entities across the Chicago metropolitan area.

9:35

Good evening.

9:36

My name is Jody Mariano.

9:38

I am a landscape architect uh and vice president of design at Tesca Associates.

9:43

We're based in Evanston.

9:45

Uh I lead the design studio and primarily work on public place projects.

9:53

I'm the Vice President of Development at Focus.

9:56

Uh developer and general contractor in Chicago.

10:01

Good evening.

10:01

I'm Matt Nicks.

10:02

I'm a principal with Riva Development Partners.

10:05

We are a developer.

10:07

We really focus on suburban, residential, and mixed use development, and it's real really been a pleasure to have the opportunity to work on this project.

10:18

Not with us tonight is Javier Milan.

10:21

Javier is a traffic consultant, a traffic engineer with KLOA.

10:28

And he sends his regards.

10:31

He's at a public hearing tonight, which seems to be the bulk of his life along with those he works with.

10:38

So thank you all.

10:43

Yes, thank you.

10:45

Been reminded to advance the slides so we can match the names with the faces.

10:52

So what's ULI?

10:55

ULI ULI Chicago is a district council of about 1,500 professionals that are engaged in all facets of the real estate industry.

11:08

And we are part of a global network of real estate professionals with almost 40,000 people worldwide.

11:18

And what do we do?

11:20

We we kind of shape the landscape.

11:22

We are stewards of the built environment.

11:25

ULI is a is a collection of really, really smart people who do not have a do not have an agenda necessarily.

12:50

This is not our agenda, this is your agenda.

12:54

And so what we do is we get together with residents and civic leaders and business leaders, and we kind of get ourselves wrapped around the idea of what this what could be, what is possible.

13:15

And in the case of this opportunity in Naperville, we had the we spent two days here.

13:21

We toured the property extensively.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Economic Development███████████████15%
Zoning Regulations███████████████15%
Affordable Housing██████████████14%
Community Engagement██████████10%
Transportation Safety██████████10%
Procedural█████████9%
Parking Regulations████████8%
Fiscal Sustainability███████7%
Parks and Recreation█████5%
Summary of Proceedings

ULI Technical Assistance Panel on Fifth Avenue Station Area - September 10, 2025

A panel of experts from the Urban Land Institute (ULI) Chicago presented findings and recommendations for redeveloping the approximately 15 acres of city-owned parking lots around the Fifth Avenue train station in Naperville. The presentation, followed by public Q&A, covered potential land uses, density, parking, infrastructure, and financing strategies. The panel emphasized a phased, master-planned approach with community input, aiming to create a transit-oriented development that complements downtown Naperville.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Marilyn Schweitzer asked about the vision for kiss-and-ride drop-off. The panel responded that the area in front of the station would remain vehicular use with enhanced paving.
  • Dan DeSanto questioned whether the city would front costs for parking and recoup through TIF. The panel noted that a developer could advance funds and be repaid, or the city could bond once increment is established.
  • Trey Phillips advocated for equitable transit-oriented development and suggested using RTA planning grants and IDA tax-exempt bonds for affordable housing. The panel acknowledged these opportunities.
  • Bill Simon asked about the success of transit-oriented developments and about coffee shops. The panel cited examples in Park Ridge, Mount Prospect, and others, and noted that drive-throughs could create traffic issues.
  • Jay Mitchell asked about the city's 20% affordable housing goal. The panel confirmed awareness and said state incentives exist, but certainty in rules is key.
  • Dave Weeks questioned the use of public spaces (citing Wheaton's underused pavilion) and single-family homes on valuable land, and called for a clear definition of affordable housing. The panel agreed on the need for programming and noted that the definition is up to the city.
  • Drew asked about commercial recommendations beyond coffee. The panel advised managing expectations, suggesting limited active retail and organic growth based on market demand.
  • Marcia asked about sustainability features like green roofs. The panel said such features are incorporated in many developments and could be incentivized in the master plan.
  • Tom Higgins questioned the parking layout, suggesting commuter parking should be closer to the station. The panel noted that moving parking east could increase traffic conflicts and that a traffic study is needed.
  • Jane Brigaman emphasized the need for affordable options for downsizing seniors and noted that past restaurants in the station failed. She also urged sustainability measures.
  • Tim Herman asked about the parking garage height and scope creep. The panel said the five-story garage shown is 150 cars per level, and that adding more land would complicate the process.
  • Mary Lou asked whether the city should retain ownership. The panel said a simple land sale is often most attractive to developers, but the city should evaluate all tools like TIF and land leases.
  • Dan Penovich questioned the cost of below-grade vs. above-grade parking. The panel estimated above-grade at $35,000–$40,000 per stall, and noted that design can make a garage attractive.

Discussion Items

  • Presentation by ULI Panel: John Talty (chair, architect) introduced the panel and explained ULI's process: two days of site tours and stakeholder interviews. The panel reviewed the 2018 Ryan Companies proposal that failed due to lack of transparency, excessive density/height, and office overprogramming. Stakeholder concerns included height, traffic, school capacity, and skepticism of transit-oriented development.
  • Bill Loftus discussed financing options, proposing a TIF district to fund infrastructure improvements such as north-south connectivity, traffic calming on Fifth Avenue, and stormwater management at Kendall Park.
  • Vic (developer) presented density concepts: higher density near Washington Street, tapering to lower density eastward. He emphasized the need for a parking study and noted that a four-story height limit may be economically challenging but design can mitigate height concerns.
  • Jody Mariano (landscape architect) showed a concept plan: a parking garage with children's museum (relocated or enhanced), a new pedestrian bridge, improved underpass, market shelter, open space, and phased development of townhomes and a future parking deck on the east parcels.
  • Matt Nicks (developer) focused on residential targets: empty nesters, hybrid workers, and young families. He showed examples of four- and five-story buildings that integrate into neighborhoods, and emphasized the importance of a "third place" community space.
  • Q&A highlighted: The panel recommended hiring a third-party consultant to develop a master plan, conduct a parking study, and create design guidelines. They suggested a phased approach to allow flexibility and market response.

Key Outcomes

  • No formal votes were taken. The presentation was informational with public input.
  • Recommendations: The panel advised the city to:
    1. Commission a comprehensive parking study to determine actual demand (post-COVID assumed 80% of 1,650 existing spaces).
    2. Hire a third-party consultant to create a master plan with development guidelines, including design standards, affordable housing goals (in line with city's 20% target), and sustainability features.
    3. Explore a TIF district to fund infrastructure, with possible bond issuance or developer reimbursement.
    4. Phase development: first phase on the west side (higher density, mixed-use, parking garage), second phase on the east side (townhomes and additional parking if needed).
    5. Engage the community in further public meetings to refine programming of public spaces.
  • Next Steps: ULI will issue a final report (PDF) to be posted on the city website. Residents can submit questions via the city's Help Center. The city council will determine the timeline for further action.

Meeting Transcript

Good evening, everybody. Well, let's take a couple of minutes for everybody to get settled, and then we'll uh we'll jump into the presentation tonight. I just want to be respectful of people's time. So what do you what do we say we get started in about two minutes? So find a seat and say hi to your friends and neighbors, and we'll be right back with you. Thank you, everybody for um for being a part of this event tonight. Um my name is John Talty. I was the fortunate uh chairperson for this ULI study uh for your community. Um the people at this dais are normally on the other side of this table, so if we have a you know, if we get real comfortable up here, it's just the fact that you know we're kind of relishing this chair versus the chair that's often on the other side. Um so uh again, we thank you very, very much for letting us be a part of this conversation. Um an architect. My day job is that of being an architect in the city of Chicago. I'm chairman of a company called OKW Architects. Um we like everyone else at this in this panel uh are very comfortable with the tasks at hand that were part and parcel with this uh with this effort uh with this investigation and the subsequent report. So these are things that are very um uh that come very naturally to us. Uh I'm very confident in who we are and and the kind of the findings that we came up with. Uh, but but in order to kick all this off, I'd like for you to meet the people, all of which are far smarter than I, who are uh on the dais with us tonight. So starting on my left, um, I'd like to ask everyone to just say hello and and introduce themselves. Thanks, John. Hi, I'm Alan Barker. I am also an architect. I'm a principal at Lamar Johnson Collaborative in the City of Chicago. And my name's Bill Loftus. I'm a civil engineer. Uh, participate with a civil engineering and surveying firm out of Rosemont uh Spaceco, Inc. Good evening. My name is Hal Frank. I'm an attorney with the law firm of Meltzer, Brutil, and STELL. We have offices downtown and also in Schaumburg. I've uh spent the bulk of my career doing entitlement work and uh zoning work for both uh for-profit and not for profit entities across the Chicago metropolitan area. Good evening. My name is Jody Mariano. I am a landscape architect uh and vice president of design at Tesca Associates. We're based in Evanston. Uh I lead the design studio and primarily work on public place projects. I'm the Vice President of Development at Focus. Uh developer and general contractor in Chicago. Good evening. I'm Matt Nicks. I'm a principal with Riva Development Partners. We are a developer. We really focus on suburban, residential, and mixed use development, and it's real really been a pleasure to have the opportunity to work on this project. Not with us tonight is Javier Milan. Javier is a traffic consultant, a traffic engineer with KLOA. And he sends his regards. He's at a public hearing tonight, which seems to be the bulk of his life along with those he works with. So thank you all. Yes, thank you. Been reminded to advance the slides so we can match the names with the faces. So what's ULI?

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