Good evening.

I would like to call the planning and zoning commission meeting for October 1st, 2025 to order.

All right, thank you, and let's get started.

Secretary Wright, please conduct roll call.

Abu Baker, Bonzel.

Here.

Costa Gnoli.

Here.

Namas here.

McDaniel?

Here.

Rachelia, president.

Wright is here.

And Robins.

Madam Chair, we have a quorum.

Great.

Thank you.

The first order of business tonight is the public forum.

During the public forum, members of the public have the opportunity to address the planning and zoning commission on issues which are not part of tonight's agenda.

Please keep your comments limited to three minutes.

Also, for the sake of all those in attendance, please refrain from clapping or shouting out in response to comments made by any speaker.

Secretary Wright, do we have anyone signed up for public forum?

No one signed up.

Great.

Our next order of business and public hearings for each hearing will begin with the staff presentation or introduction, followed by the petitioner's presentation.

We will then take public testimony to ensure that we have an opportunity to hear from each person wishing to speak.

Please keep your comments specific to the request under the consideration and try to re uh avoid repetitive comments.

Also, for the sake of all those in attendance, please refrain from clapping or shouting out in response to comments made by any speaker.

Following all public testimony, the petitioner will provide closing remarks just prior to the closure of the public hearing.

No further public testimony will be taken after the petitioner begins their closing remarks or during the planning and zoning commission's deliberation.

I will now swear in any member of the public wishing to speak.

Those who wish to provide testimony, please stand up.

Please, anyone?

Please raise your right hand and respond.

I do.

I swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

All right, thank you.

The case on tonight's agenda is DEV-0103-2025 Barries.

Sarah Kapinski from staff will present the case.

Thank you and good evening.

Sarah Kapinski with the city's planning services team.

The subject property for DEV 0103 2025 is located at 50 South Main Street within the Main Street Promenade East building.

The promenade includes a mix of retail, office, and fitness uses and is zoned B4 downtown core.

The petitioner proposes locating Barry's Boot Camp, a fitness studio in suite 104.

Suite 104 is approximately 4300 square feet in size and has not been leased since the building opened in 2014.

The B4 district permits general service uses, including fitness studios, but restricts their location to the second floor and above, as these uses tend to be appointment driven and oftentimes do not rely as much on pedestrian activity as traditional retail or restaurants might.

The petitioner is seeking approval of a variance to allow Barries to operate on the first floor.

Barries is known for high-intensity workouts as well as its fuel bar and retail component.

They have intentionally designed suite 104 to include both a fuel bar and retail area along the main street frontage to help drive additional foot traffic to the area throughout the day.

Staff is supportive of the request petitioner's requested variants and notes that the subject property's location near the perimeter of the downtown boundaries results in less pedestrian activity, making retail less viable for these tenant spaces.

The subject property's history of vacancy further supports this finding.

Staff recommends two conditions of approval for berries to maintain the intended retail environment of the downtown.

Number one is that a port the portion of the tenant space fronting Maine shall continue to be dedicated as lobby retail and fuel bar space, and two that the variants shall only apply to the operation of a fitness studio by berries.

The petitioner is agreeable to both of these conditions.

Staff also notes that letters of support have been received by both the downtown Naperville Alliance and the Naperville Development Partnership.

Tonight we request you conduct the public hearing and we'll remain available for any questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I would like to hear from any of the members of the public present tonight to speak in the case.

Secretary Wright, do we have anyone signed up?

No one signed up.

Excuse me, Chairwoman.

Um, I believe the petitioner has a presentation.

The petitioner.

The phone threw me off.

I jump.

Karen Weber.

I'm here with the law firm of Rosanov and Whitaker, representing KRG Naperville, Maine, the owner of Suite 104 and Main Street Promenade East.

With me this evening are representatives from Kite Reality, the parent company of Petitioner.

We are here tonight, as Sarah indicated, requesting a variance from section from Code Section 6-70-4 to allow Barries, a globally recognized boutique fitness brand with 90 plus locations worldwide to occupy suite 104 on the first floor of Main Street Promenade East.

An approximately 4300 square foot space that has been vacant since 2014 when the Promenade opened, more than 10 years.

Let me begin by introducing Berries.

Its concept is anchored in four core elements run, lift, fuel, and shop.

This boutique fitness studio enjoys global recognition for its signature high intensity interval training, red room experience, enhanced by premium amenities, a fuel bar, and a retail shop.

As proposed, the fuel bar and retail components will be at the street frontage and will serve as public facing uses, helping to activate the main street, helping to activate Main Street while contributing to the city's sales tax revenue.

Here we have the subject property, suite 104 at Promenade East.

As mentioned, the space is 40 approximately 4300 square feet and has been vacant for over 10 years.

As this aerial shows, the promenade is located in the northeast edge of downtown, with a Van Buren parking garage attached.

This next slide shows the broader promenade context and the tenant layout.

As you can see here, highlighted in blue, there are several retail floor spaces that remain vacant.

Oh, I'm sorry.

There are several floor spaces that remain vacant, demonstrating that strict det strict retail only requirements have not produced consistent leasing here.

Suite 104 is positioned at the edge of downtown and away from the highest pedestrian activity, which has made the space less attractive for traditional retail uses.

As you can see here, the site is zoned before.

And here within the downtown core.

The intent of this district is to promote active ground floor uses that create a vibrant pedestrian environment.

Berries will do just that.

Notably, the city's comprehensive plan designates this stretch of Main Street as a pedestrian dead zone, citing storefront gaps and historically low pedestrian flow.

Suite 104 lies within this area where foot traffic has long been limited.

This condition helps explain why the space has been remained vacant since 2014.

The downtown core where the subject property is located, is intended to accommodate the most intense development forms and uses.

At the same time, the comprehensive plan anticipates flexibility at the edges of the downtown core to ensure sites remain viable.

The plan specifically notes that some properties along the periphery of the downtown core could struggle if businesses were limited only to commercial activities permitted on the first floor.

Suite 104 is precisely the type of property contemplated by that guidance.

As shown here on the floor plan, the fuel bar and Barrie shop and the lobby are all positioned upon the main street frontage.

The workout studio itself is set back, ensuring that the street edge remains active and retail oriented.

The storefront windows will be activated by the fuel bar and Barrie shop, creating a visible, lively street presence.

The fuel bar functions much like a cafe.

It will be open to the public, serving smoothies and grab and grow items to members and non-members alike.

All contributing to a true retail activation.

We stress that the fuel bar and retail shop are genuine public-facing uses that both generate sales tax revenue and foster street level engagement.

As shown here, Berries will be open daily at 6 a.m.

and operate until 7 p.m., creating consistent activity from early morning through after hour work through after work hours.

This site features a staggered class schedule, typically on the hour.

This cadence, which will be reproduced at this site, produces regular arrivals and departures throughout the day.

This will add to the vitality during periods when the downtown is quieter and will spread out parking demand.

As highlighted here, data from Placer AI, a nationally recognized location analytics platform, shows where Barry's members typically go before and after their workouts.

You'll see a clear pattern of coffee shops, restaurants, and retail stores.

Barries won't be competing with the downtown business.

It will be supporting them by driving consistent consumer traffic throughout the day.

This slide, while hard to hard to read, highlights market potential and consumer trends also reported by Placer AI.

Based on findings from several of Barry's locations across the U.S., Barries is consistently functioning as a destination, drawing customers from beyond the immediate area.

Patrons frequently shop or dine nearby before and after classes, directly supporting the surrounding businesses in downtown.

Next, we have an overview here of the downtown parking system.

As noted, the Van Buren parking deck, directly attached to the promenade, provides 792 parking spots.

In addition, the Pawpaw lot offers 119 spaces, and the Van Buren lot offers an additional 114 spaces.

As shown here, the Van Buren parking deck provides two vehicle access points, one on Benton Avenue and one on Van Buren Avenue.

Patron Access is conveniently located on Main Street.

These entrances provide convenient access not only for Barry's customers, but also for patrons of other promenade tenants.

At peak occupancy, the parking garage reaches only 92% on Friday on Fridays at 7 p.m.

and 87% on Saturdays at 3 p.m.

Barry's peak classes occur in the early mornings, 6 a.m., midday or lunch hour, and after work in the four to six time period.

Saturdays is the most popular day.

Even at 92% occupancy on Saturday, approximately 63 spaces will remain available in the garage.

And we remind you that classes were intentionally staggered to avoid dinner peaks and to spread out demand throughout the day.

In short, the deck is rarely at full capacity and more than sufficient to serve Barrie's parking needs.

And in the broader picture, let's look at the overall downtown parking by the numbers.

There are over 4,000 total parking spaces available downtown through off-street and on-street parking.

The parking system has capacity.

Barrie's patrons, like all downtown users, will contribute to this system through SSA assessments and food and beverage taxes.

As a reminder, under the SSA system, the landlord owner pays a portion of the tax bill directly, while tenants contribute through their common area assessments.

In short, both owners, such as petitioner and tenants, such as Barry's, contribute to the funding of downtown services improvements through this SSA.

We would also like to highlight community support.

As Sarah mentioned, we have the support of the downtown Naperville Alliance, who notes that filling the dark space for more than a decade, will strengthen the block and energize the edge of downtown.

We also note that we have the support of the Neighborville Development Partnership.

Their analysis indicates that they will increase exposure and sales for the surrounding businesses.

My name is two doors down from the proposed site.

We've been in downtown Neperville since 2014, and uh fully intend or fully suspect though that there will be other fitness studios that move to the first floor, so that's not necessarily why I'm here.

Um thank you for the opportunity to express my concerns here.

We did submit a pre-read, so there's some additional details, some data and some photos in there, um, as well as some data from a petition with over 160 uh local residents who have um you know prepared some statements as well.

So like Berries, Pier Bar offers strength training classes.

We also offer hit or um cardio and endurance classes, so similar offerings, although we do have also a ballet bar and they have uh treadmills.

Like Barry's Pier Bar does also offer classes on the hour starting at 5 45 in the morning, and our last class is at 7 p.m.

Today our members struggle with parking by adding the additional congestion on the hour, we risk disrupting the experience for residents, businesses, shoppers, and diners.

So for um perspective, we run classes with 25 people on the hour.

I'm imagining berries with another 20 to 30 additional people in a fitness class.

It's typical that you aren't able to enter the studio late.

So our members are circling parking garages to come back down only to be turned away since we have locked the door at the start of class.

Again, I own that I understand that we do not own the rights for first floor fitness.

Um I'm not necessarily overly concerned with the competitiveness of berries.

We do have a um there's always competition, so that's always something to worry about.

But we are very well-established studio.

It's more about the congestion on the street as is and the parking on the hour.

The nature of our businesses are very similar.

The second most reason for membership cancellations is location.

So members cancel their memberships all the time because of the location, including parking.

In Naperville, you have tons of opportunities for fitness, so that is the second most reason.

The number one reason is price.

We find that Naperville residents are cost conscious, and the average Barrie studio is 60% higher per month than every other studio that I found, nearly every other studio in Naperville.

So it's a very expensive offering.

I do can I am concerned about the long-term sustainability of a fitness studio that's um so much higher priced.

Um I am sort of my last concern here is about the plan for the long-term plan for the nearby area.

So we have an empty lot across the street in front of Pier Bar in Every, and I'm wondering, you know, what's what will go in there?

So if we're if the intent is to open up a you know, move in a cycling bar, moving in a uh yoga studio, all the the same type of fitness um studios that offer classes on the hour, that's my concern.

So I'm not sure what's the what the plan is there.

I know um there has been some different discussions about that, as well as the empty lot um where the church was.

So I'm imagining that will at some point be residences.

So until there's a clear plan for the lot across the street and a plan for additional a plan to address the parking, I'm asking Kite Realty to consider retracting um opening of berries, and I'm hopeful that downtown Aperville will also listen to the concerns of the 160 plus local residents who completed the petition.

It's been really hard as a long-term owner in downtown Aprilville to see all the businesses that have moved out, especially the smaller locally owned businesses.

So that really is my concern.

Um, we definitely need to put a better plan in place to support the locally owned businesses, the small businesses, because those are the ones that are struggling.

So thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Are there any other members of the public that would like to speak on this case?

All right.

I'll move it to the commissioners.

Anyone have any questions, concerns?

Okay.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um, you know, I just want to say first of all, thank you for for your letter.

We we did read it, we did receive it and and did read it, and I appreciate your acknowledgement that many of the um concerns that you bring up are more business cases rather than land use and zoning.

Uh so I'm gonna uh stick my comments to you know what what our purview is and that that's land use and zoning.

And you bring up parking.

Um, downtown Naperville, we all know it's no secret parking is is always a challenge.

Um I I've often said that it's not that we don't have enough parking, we just don't have enough convenient parking.

Um I've lived here over thir 20 20 plus years now.

Um, never one time have I ever gone downtown and not been able to find a parking space somewhere, sometimes more convenient than others.

Uh but again, as a consumer, I have the opportunity to either accept that or not accept that.

And if I'm going to a destination in downtown Naperville or anywhere, uh, quite frankly, um, I have to make that decision.

Is parking the most important thing?

Um, I'm a fitness guy, I'm very loyal to my gym.

I'm gonna go to my gym, whether parking is tough or not, and I just have to plan for that.

And so, you know, there you know, I won't regurgitate all of the things the DNA talked about.

I think that though those uh points that they make are very valid.

This space has been open for 10 plus years.

Um, we need to get foot traffic in downtown, all of the things that they said, and I just don't think the uh parking issue is enough of a uh obstacle that we need to that that I would be denying this.

So for those reasons, I will be uh voting yes on this tonight.

Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner Wright.

Anyone else?

Commissioner Castanoli.

Yeah, parking alone should not be the issue, and I can tell you for fact that Naperville is working hard on that parking issue.

So I too will be voting yes tonight.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

All right, I I'll just make a couple comments.

Um, I think what Commissioner Wright said is is very well said, especially with our our purview into land use.

Um, I also think that in the spirit of B4 and looking at downtown, I think this request is actually very much in line of the spirit of B4.

So I do support the zoning variance.

I also think that we have 10 plus years of this spot sitting empty, and we don't have anyone else knocking on our door right now.

And we have continued to build residence, whether it be condos, townhomes, uh you know, single family homes down there, and they these residents need places to go.

I know several people would probably be a member at both of these gyms.

Um, several women I know.

Um, you know, I look at this as bringing more people in and not pushing people out.

So tonight I will be voting yes for this.

So all right.

Would the petitioner like to make any closing remarks?

No, I think uh commission has added that all right.

So moved.

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All right, motion carries.

Commissioner Avan Baker, please read the motion.

Um I would like to make a motion to adopt the findings of fact as presented by the petitioner and recommend uh approval of dev-seo one zero three-2025 variance to section 6-7B-4, before required conditions of the code to allow a general service use fitness studio to locate on the first floor of a building in the city's B4 zoning district uh for Barries.

All right, can I have a second?

Second.

All right, Secretary Wright, please conduct roll call.

Rotellia.

I agree with the motion.

McDaniel, I agree.

Namas?

I agree.

Castagnoli.

I agree.

Bonzo.

I agree.

Abu Baker, I agree.

Wright agrees with the motion.

I agree.

All right.

Thank you.

The next case on tonight's agenda is development-0117-2025.

Brad Awiki from staff will present the case.

Thank you, madam chair and members of the commission.

Brad Iwicki with the city's planning services team.

DEV 0117-2025 is a request for a variance to Section 6-6B-4 colon 7, R1B required conditions of the Naperville municipal code to allow a ground sign to exceed the sign area limitation for offices permitted as conditional as a conditional use in the R1B zoning district.

The subject property is generally generally located at the northwest corner of the Washington Street and 10th Avenue intersection in 1996.

The petitioner plans to install a 20 square foot freestanding ground sign back 10 feet from the east property line adjacent to Washington Street.

The sign as proposed exceeds the sign area limitation of four square feet, requiring a variance.

The proposed sign features two faux stone piers and text that displays the business name and dental practitioners.

Landscaping is proposed at the base of the sign in compliance with the municipal code, and the sign is not proposed to be illuminated.

Staff supports the requested variants and finds the sign is an appropriate scale for the office use and the proximity to commercial uses on Washington Street, and the sign design complements the surrounding residential environment to the west of the subject property.

The petitioners' responses to the standards for granting a zoning variance can be found in the attachments.

Upon review, staff agrees with the petitioner's findings and recommends their adoption by the planning and zoning commission.

Planning and zoning commission may now conduct the public hearing, and I will be available for questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Will the petitioner please approach the podium?

Did you swear in?

Okay.

Commissioner Wright caught that.

All right, let me go back.

All right.

Please raise your right hand and respond.

I do.

I swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth.

I do.

All right.

Thank you.

Brad, or thank you.

Perfect.

Okay.

Thank you.

Hi.

My name is Craig Secora, and I'm uh my partner Alex Zurich is here as well.

So we are uh both partners and owners of Ascend Dental at 1001 North Washington Street, and as Brad was explaining, basically our sign we're looking to replace.

So for if you've driven by over off Washington Street, this is our building.

Um what we've been doing in the last couple years is trying to just improve the look of it.

We used to have big pine trees out front that a couple of them fell down in storms and things.

We've repainted the building, new roof, new landscaping, a couple new trees, and our our poor sad sign is just not keeping up with our practice, and it's really deteriorating pretty bad.

So what you can't tell from some of these pictures is that it like moves as well, so it's pretty rotted down below.

Um, and we have to look at it all day.

So uh this is our location.

We are off of Washington Street near Ogden, and for those of you who don't uh a lot of times the landmark that people use is the Dairy Queen, the old school dairy queen is across the street, so um that's that's where we are.

So it's it's it's obviously on a uh residential block on the one side, but very much like a commercial block on the opposite side of the street.

Um a little bit about what we do.

So we are both board-certified prostodontists, and sorry if gross you out.

Uh that's not the intent.

I actually didn't realize that until I was just thinking about it right now.

So we treat a lot of very complex patients.

Okay, so what we as a prosthetant is sometimes easier to show a picture.

Basically, this is a patient who had cancer, head and neck cancer, uh lost his teeth or the teeth rotted out from uh combination of factors uh relating to radiation, and so to be able to restore this guy's mouth, um, it's a pretty amazing thing that we get to do, and I think it's it's really unique.

The prosodonis as a whole is a very small specialty.

Um, there's about 3800 in the US, and so yeah, to have us in um Naperville is pretty remarkable.

Um there is uh only a couple in our area, and people come from quite far away to see us.

So having an appropriate sign is important.

Um as uh mentioned, we've been in this location since uh 97.

Actually, Dr.

Zurich's uh father, John Zurich owned the practice up until eight years ago when when he purchased it, and then Zurich and I have become partners since we serve about 50% of our patient population, is like more family dental care, high-end family dental care, and then the other half are referral-based patients that come to us from uh some local, but also we pull from a lot of areas.

I mean, from out of state even to see us for care.

And so when patients come to find our practice, a lot of times we do get complaints as it is with our sign.

Um and so it'd be nice to have something that's you know more prominent potentially, but really just something that it is able to be recognized from the street more readily.

So this this is our sign.

It does look a little sad.

It's um there was birds living in that little hole, and we're worried it's not gonna make it through the winter.

So I I think you know, you you don't need to be a sign expert to look at that and say it's not a great sign.

Um it's also out of date, like so.

Dr.

John Zurich doesn't practice anymore, and so obviously I'd like also my own name to be able to be on the sign, as it is on the rest of our other branding.

So when we approached and were looking at getting a new sign, we contacted I must have contacted you know uh half a dozen uh different sign companies, and a lot of them had pointed us to these particular types of signs, it's like a foam craft uh type sign, and specifically um this company Peach Tree Foam Craft.

And so they said, hey, this is for monument style sign, this is what we recommend from a cost and uh longevity standpoint, and so you know, look into it.

And so this is I just want to give a little bit of like history how we got here basically.

So when you look at these are the types of signs that they make, um, and so they can look really nice.

They're they're very um, you know, they I get I think what's happening in the in this world of things is that these are 3D printed uh out of foam essentially, and um I think that with 3D printing technology they've become it it's keeps the cost down as opposed to having um you know uh like actual bricks or stone uh signs being made.

They are permanent, so how they are structured, the outside layer is really protective and long lasting, and um they have these pipes that are driven down and and uh into concrete, so they they you'll if you look around, like a lot of signs are actually made this way now.

Um, but I it's all it was all new to me when I found out.

So when we looked at what we can do for a sign, I looked into um the coding or zoning or what I thought was appropriate, and also the sign companies told us that we can have something up to 45 um square feet potentially.

Uh that obviously turned out to be inappropriate news.

Um, but that's what we were kind of operating under that premise, and I looked through on these various sign companies, but this happened to be the sign company that we we chose to go with, which is Peach Tree, and was looking at all these different sizes of signs, and a lot of them are just really massive.

Um, and so what I did was try to find something that was actually appropriate scale, small small enough, and that's what I selected was this model 35.

Okay, so this is the base model of what we um were looking at, and it it happened to be one of the smallest.

I liked that it still had some space underneath the bottom of it, which is similar to our own sign, and also would take up it's like less massive than if you have it all the way to the ground, um, and we assume they'd be well within code.

It actually started, so and and this is the actual design.

So there's some uh like faux stone columns on the side.

Um we changed a little bit of how the the uh middle structure looks without the curve to be more pointed, similar to the house uh design that you know our house is, um, and obviously the names are updated and things.

Um we actually started production with this, or or I should I didn't do anything.

I asked the guy to start production with it, um, and because we we he said that there was no issues with getting the permit for it or anything like that, and then I got a uh a message from Brad, and um it basically said, you know, like I at first it was actually regarding I think it was the um the fact that it's not a monument sign, um, and then and then we we went back and we're talking about that.

We realized that actually because of our house zoning uh our home to office conversion that we're limited to the size restriction of four square feet as well.

So that's how we arrived here.

Um and so that that plays into it.

So you know, obviously, we're we're a home to office conversion, it is it is a house, um, and so that four square feet sign, which is basically like a realtor sign, right?

Like it's pretty small.

You can imagine that driving on on Washington, um, even though it's it's only 35 uh miles an hour, like you know, it's you're you're driving is high traffic area going towards Ogden, it can be kind of like stressful for especially our senior patients coming in and trying to figure out where to go and things.

So you know, four square feet would be pretty small.

When you look at the dimensions of the proposed sign, it is approximately 20 square feet.

Um, and so obviously it's bigger than um the four square feet, and this is the other part of it.

So at the time um when we designed it, I didn't realize that monument sign uh from Naperville specifically is intending to have more at least 80 uh percent of the width of the sign touched the ground.

I didn't know that that was a thing at all.

None of the sign people who we were talking to had uh alluded to that that would be an issue at all.

So that was a surprise to me.

Um, and so you know that's uh sort of that's the other part of this that we're asking for is uh variance from the monument sign to a ground sign so that we can keep the same design that we have um started the process of.

So the justification, you know, when we look at the uh um the size limit uh wayfinding in the area of public safety regarding our patients trying to find our practice uh is what's important to us.

That we want to be able to find it easily.

Um we feel like four square feet would hinder visibility, legibility, and uh make it difficult for them.

Um we felt like you know, I really did try to find like the smallest type of sign in this design that would not impact our our uh neighborhood or be appropriate for scale.

I didn't want something that's too intrusive at all.

Um, and so we've we feel that that is appropriate.

Um with the column design, um I I feel like the the faux stone columns, I like the look of it, it adds permanence, it's nicer looking in general, um, but also follows somewhat of the design of our previous sign for uh continuity.

I like that you can see through the lower part of it for uh if you're exiting onto Washington Street, it would be easier to potentially see around it.

Um it just adds less less bulk and scale overall.

Um so in summary, you know, our existing sign is in pretty poor condition.

We need to update it and uh put the appropriate ownership and provide our names on it.

Our proposed sign is a permanent ground sign, it's not illuminated, it has faux stone support columns and accurate um names on it.

Uh we are a small locally owned practice, you know.

We just are trying to do the right thing for our um patients and and population uh around us, and we we really don't feel like there's going to be a negative impact on our neighboring properties at all.

Um so we would like to update our sign and just get something that's more appropriate for our practice and uh looks nicer.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I would like to hear from any members of the public present tonight to speak on this case.

Secretary Wright, please call the first speaker.

No one signed up.

All right, are there any members in the public that would like to speak on this case?

All right, do any of the commissioners have any comments on this case?

Commissioner McDaniel.

Thank you.

Um any time we receive uh a public comment, um, especially when it it um has to do with public safety, I think it's something we need to take serious.

Uh, I'm sure every one of us read the comma that was submitted.

Um I actually took time, you know, for my lunch hour to drive through the neighborhood, uh, pulled up right next to it to turn you know south, go right on Washington.

And from what I can tell, I I really think it'd be perfectly fine.

I think it'd be a really good fit.

Um, I don't think that it would um uh you know create any you know visibility issues, uh but that's why we have our professional staff to to you know have a much more professional opinion than just some guy driving by.

Uh so anyways, for that matter, I'll be supporting it.

Thank you.

Any other commissioners?

No, just to come and like looking at how old that signage is.

I hope it won't fall under the purview of these preservation.

But uh I I agree with uh Commissioner McDaniel.

I also drove and uh found that I think like you know it is going to be appropriate for that building.

So thank you.

Any other commissioners?

I will just say I drive past that uh your office every day, and I live quite near there, and uh I think this is a fabulous addition, uh, and I think it'll look great in your front space.

So I will be voting yes.

All right, we good.

All right, would the uh would you like to make any closing remarks to commit?

Thank you.

All right.

I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing for development dash zero one one seven-2025.

All right, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Commissioner Namas, will you please read the motion?

I would like to make a motion to adopt the findings of fact as presented by the petitioner and recommend approval of DEV-0117-2025 of variance pursuant to section 6-6b-4 colon 7 to allow a 20 square foot ground sign on the property at 1001 North Washington Street.

Can I have a second?

Second, all right.

Secretary Wright, please conduct roll calls.

Abu Baker.

Uh I will cast ignoring.

I agree.

Namas?

I agree.

McDaniel?

I agree.

Ocellia, I agree with the motion.

Wright agrees with the motion and Robins.

I agree.

Congratulations.

All right.

Next is the approval of the minutes of September 3rd, 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting.

Do we have any corrections to the minutes?

We do not 2025 planning and zoning meeting.

Second all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Motion carries no old no new I would like to entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting.

Second all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All right motion adjourn or meeting adjourned