Good evening.

The November 4th Naperville City Council meeting is called Order Roll Call.

Worley here.

Gibson.

Here.

Cold Tower.

Here.

Jane.

Here.

Kelly.

Here.

Big Broom.

Here.

Sayed.

White.

Here.

Wilson.

Here.

Please rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Our first item this evening is awards and recognitions.

We have one proclamation tonight, which will be presented by Councilwoman Jane, the mayor pro tem.

Good evening.

If I could have members of Seva, Diwali, uh, Food Drive, the groups and members come up, stand here with me.

Oh, you're supposed to be a little bit of this.

It's in the right space.

Yeah, because it's not the same as it's a good thing.

Got a nice big group here.

The Office of the Mayor, City of Naperville, Illinois proclamation.

Seva Thivali Food Drive.

Whereas Seva is the act of selfless service embedded in Indian culture, and Diwali is a festival that celebrates the victory of light over dark over darkness.

And whereas, in the spirit of Seva, fifty Naperville area-based Indian American organizations have joined together to organize the Seva Diwali food drive to feed Naperville families in need.

And whereas through these efforts, the true spirit of Diwali permeates our community, where the commitment to diversity and inclusion is underscored by the city's mission statement.

And whereas loaves and fishes, community services has witnessed an overwhelming surge in demand for its services, indicating the impact of economic hardships faced by many families.

And whereas we give thanks to the many individuals and organizations that are part of the twenty twenty five Seva Diwali Food Drive.

Now, therefore, um, I, Scott Worley, mayor of the city of Naperville, do hereby recognize the 2025 Seba Diwali Food Drive and commend all participating organizations and volunteers for their commitment to service, compassion, and community well-being.

In witness whereof I hear are to set by my my hand in a fixed seal of the city of Neperville this fourth, the day of Napraville 2025.

Namaste, everybody, and good evening.

My name is Advait Ganesh, and I'm a junior at Nikwa Valley High School.

I'm a volunteer at HSS or the Hindu Swahim Sevic Sung, part of Seva International, which is a volunteer group, and also help run the Hindu Yuva, which is a club at my school.

I'm here to talk a little bit about Seva Diwali, but first I'll start with Diwali itself.

As we heard before, Diwali, or the Festival of Lights, is a festival celebrated by Hindus all over the world.

It signifies the victory of good over evil, knowledge over ignorance, and light over darkness.

And obviously, we celebrate it by bursting fireworks, spending time with loved ones, and of course, eating delicious food.

But not everyone has that privilege.

This year, the Hindu community across the country, including Naperville, celebrated the Vali with the difference through Seva orb service.

Together, multiple organizations have come together to use Diwali as a platform to address the food insecurity in our community.

Around October and November, the community collects food to donate to local pantries around the country.

This nationwide HSS or in Seva initiative, along with more than 250 Hindu, Sikh, and Jain-based organizations, work together to help stock our local food pantries so that everybody has a meal.

So, how exactly did we achieve this?

We donated food personally, reached out to family, friends, and the broader community and encourage them to do the same.

But we also received cash donations, not just from adults, but from students from clubs such as Hinduva.

And this year, we even sit outside malls and grocery stores asking for donations.

Yes, we did go through rejections, but fortunately, there are a lot of generous neighbor villains who opened their hearts and wallets, wallets and were willing to donate to this great cause.

Last year, the Save of Diwali Food Drive was able to collect over 717,000 pounds of food, which was donated across 38 states.

Specifically, just in our neighborhood, we were able to donate over 15,000 pounds of food.

This proclamation from the city serves as a great source of encouragement to us from all of you.

We will be encouraged even more if you would like to join us when we drop off the food to the local pantries this year.

We don't have the final drop off date yet, but I would like to invite the mayor, the city council members, and anyone else who would like to join us for this momentous occasion.

I want to take this opportunity once again to wish you all a very happy Diwali.

Thank you so much for your time and have a wonderful rest of the evening.

As we start the public forum, I'd like to remind everyone of the citizen participation rules in the city's municipal code for speaking at city council meetings.

Speakers are asked to present their comments in a respectful and courteous manner.

Speaker should say on topic and cognizant of their words.

Personal attacks on council members, staff, other speakers, or members of the audience are not allowed.

If inappropriate language or comments are being expressed during this meeting, you will be asked immediately to stop commenting.

Also for the audience members, there is no cheering and no jeering.

Actions such as applauding, cheering, finger snapping, booing, or any other noises during or at the conclusion of any remarks made by any speaker are not allowed in the chambers.

If this occurs, you will be asked to stop immediately.

And if it continues to persist, I will recess the meeting until the audience abides by the rules in our city code.

No speakers should ever feel intimidated by the crowd.

Audience disruption is meant to intimidate those speaking, and I will not allow it in the chambers.

Audience members with signs, assigns must not block any other audience members' view.

Speakers are given three minutes to address the council to help speakers stay within the three minute time frame.

We have a timer on the side dice located to your right.

It will give the visual cue when the three minutes are expiring.

This helps speakers conclude their comments in a timely manner without being cut off.

Timer will buzz when it hits zero, and we will alert the speaker that their time is up.

If a speaker's name is called and they are not in the room, we will move on to the next speaker, and we will not go back.

Speakers are encouraged to remain in council chambers until the conclusion of public forum in the event council members want to ask follow-up questions.

Mr.

Schatz, please call the first speaker.

We have 11 public forum speakers and one written comment that has been posted to the website.

The first three speakers are Omar Oslam, Cassim Rashiv, and Joseph Huss.

Omar Aslam.

Next speaker.

Casim Rashid.

Next speaker.

Joseph Huss.

The next speakers will be Emily Cummings and Lauren Razue.

Thank you.

I think it just advanced without the question.

Thanks.

Hi, I'm Joe Huss, and I'm a member of the city's uh environment and sustainability task force, also known as NEST, and I wanted to share two bits of good news with everyone tonight.

Uh the first is that NEST launched a free climate coach program last month.

We modeled it after Oak Park success successful program, and you can see the web page on the screen.

Residents interested in solar panels, heat pumps, EVs, or native gardening can talk with other neighbors who've already uh completed those projects and have real world experience.

These efforts make it easier for residents to save money and reduce their environmental impact.

And in addition to being able to talk to someone, there are resources available on the NEST website, sustain Naperville.org with Naperville specific information.

The second bit of good news is that the U.S.

continues to set records in adding renewable electricity generation and battery storage to the grid.

The federal government's just released data for the first eight months of the year showing that renewables provided 26% of all the electricity generated in the U.S., which is a new record.

In addition, in the past year in the U.S., the utility grade battery grew by an kind of incredible 64% to 13 gigawatts of new capacity.

The rapidly declining costs have led to dramatic growth that helped to reduce capacity and transmission costs, uh, like the increases we're seeing here in Naperville.

And you can see from the chart on the left that utilities continue to plan to add substantial amounts of solar and battery capacity over the next 12 months.

The yellow dots are solar and the purple are battery.

And you can see that it's pretty that solar and battery are becoming commonplace technologies, they're proven technologies, and actually, if you look at Illinois, it kind of looks like uh a polka dot pattern because there's so many new solar installations here in Illinois.

Um, however, uh new renewables are only beneficial if at the same time we're reducing the amount of fossil fuels that we're burning.

Uh, fortunately, in the past year, 4.2 gigawatts of coal capacity was retired as those plants are no longer cost competitive.

And the chart on the right shows the upcoming year, which shows that we'll continue to have major coal retirements.

And while the last four years we did set a record every single year is the hottest year on record.

This year's progress, transitioning from coal to renewables, slows that rate of global warming.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Emily Cummings, followed by Lauren Reisie.

Good evening, Mayor Worley and members of the city council.

My name is Emily Cummings.

I am a Naperville resident, parent, and small business owner.

I chose to return to Naperville to build my business and raise my family because of what the city stands for community, safety, and belonging.

In my work, I photograph people from every walk of life, families who come from all over the world and now call Naperville home.

I see that diversity and strength every single day in my studio, and it is one of the reasons my family chose to be here.

But lately, many of us are deeply concerned about the increased ICE and border patrol activity in our community.

Just last week, a father was taken from his car while driving his children to school as they cried and screamed, Papa Teammo.

And less than 30 miles away, in my sister's Chicago old Irving Park neighborhood, Border Patrol agents arrived as their children's Halloween parade was starting, and kids were caught in tear gas, and her elderly neighbor was a U.S.

citizen and detained.

Later released with six broken ribs and internal bleeding.

These are not distant headlines.

They are happening here in Illinois, affecting real families and real people, and they bring, they are making people scared to bring their children to school and even leave their homes.

As a business owner, I hear from clients who feel that they must carry their papers with them everywhere they go, just in case they are questioned.

As a mom, it became even more personal tonight as I was driving my son to his after school activities.

He said he heard me practicing my speech to talk with you tonight, and that he told me he was scared.

He started listing out his friends and teachers and said he was worried about them.

Isn't it enough that our children have to worry about mass shootings and lockdowns, and now they have to be worried that ICE might come into their schools?

This isn't about being Republican or Democrat.

It's about basic human decency.

I am asking the city council to consider adopting the welcoming city ordinance to ensure that local resources are not used for immigration enforcement except when required by law, and to affirm that our police remain focused on protecting its residents.

When children see neighbors being taken away, they lose not just trust in the government, but their sense of belonging.

Naperville has earned its reputation through strong values and leadership.

Let's continue to live up to that by ensuring that every family, regardless of where they come from, feel safe, seen and supported.

As a parent and a business owner who invests in this community every single day, I want Naperville to remain a place where every family can thrive without fear.

Thank you for your time and for your service to our community.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Lauren Reisieu, followed by Diana Torres Hawkin and Signey Gleason.

Good evening.

My name is Lauren Reyes You.

I grew up in Naperville, and I now live here with my own family.

And tonight I'm here to ask you to consider passing the welcoming city ordinance.

We all know that ICE has been present right here in Naperville.

We've heard the stories of people being detained at work.

We've heard the stories about the lengths ICE officers will go to arrest people, resorting to violence.

We also know that many ICE officers not only detain people without judicial warrants, but they also cover their faces and refuse to identify themselves.

Passing the welcoming city ordinance would protect residents in many ways, including banning ice from schools and daycares, prohibiting ice from entering hospitals and clinics without judicial warrants, allowing Naperville police to arrest any unmasked, unidentified person claiming they are law enforcement, or any person attempting to arrest someone without assigned judicial warrant.

Naperville is renowned for caring for the safety of its residents, and ICE is a clear threat to that safety and well-being of everyone who lives here.

To share a bit of my own perspective, I am fearful for my own family.

I have kids who attend daycare in Naperville, and one of them receives speech therapy at our local neighborhood school in 203.

And while it may be irrational, I fear that ICE will attempt to separate my children from our family.

My husband and I were living abroad as expats when we had our daughter.

So while she is a U.S.

citizen, she has a foreign birth certificate.

She's also a multi-ethnic child with a funny sounding last name.

And because we speak another language at home, she's also considered a multilingual student.

While everyone in our family is undoubtedly a U.S.

citizen, I still fear that ICE will make an attempt to take our kids.

I can only imagine the anxiety and the terror that our immigrant and refugee neighbors face every day.

While our district has communicated that they prioritize our students' safety and well-being, if ICE agents showed up at a school, I'm not sure what power individual teachers and administrators would have in that situation.

As an educator myself, I might know that an ICE agent would have to go through me to get to any of my students.

But the truth is I'm five foot four, and I'm very easy to push over.

I also don't think ICE cares about school policies.

I do think they might care about city ordinances.

Passing the welcoming city ordinance would take the burden of protecting students off of our teachers and give Naperville police the authority to handle these situations.

Naperville prioritizes safety.

ICE does not.

Naperville cares about children.

ICE does not.

It's really that simple.

I would love to discuss this matter with you further.

I emailed each of you last night and gave you my availability.

If you have questions, I'd be happy to meet with you and answer them.

In general, passing the welcoming city ordinance would create a safer Napervale for everyone.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Diana Torres Hawken, followed by Signey Gleason and Stephen Cushman.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor Worley and members of City Council.

A little close to the microphone.

It's super directional.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor Worley and members of the City Council.

My name is Diana Torres Hawken, and I'm here on behalf of Almas, the Alliance of Latinos motivating action in the suburbs.

Naperville's first Latino led and Latino serving nonprofit.

I'm also Naperville resident.

Naperville is home to one of the most diverse communities in the Western suburbs, with more than 150 residents, 150,000 residents, nearly 20% foreign born.

We also hold a proud record as one of the America's safest large cities, but that success is not accidental.

It's the product of trust between residents, businesses, and city leaders.

In recent weeks, that trust has been shaken.

Families have reported sightings of armed and massed ICE agents near homes, grocery stores, schools, and parks.

These actions create confusion and fear, especially when agents do not identify themselves.

Parents wonder if it's safe to send their kids to school.

From an economic standpoint, Naperville's prosperity depends on immigrant families and immigrant owned businesses.

When people are afraid, they stop shopping, dining, contracting locally, and working locally.

We've already heard from homeowners and contractors whose projects were halted after recent ICE activities.

That uncertainty hurts small businesses, slows growth, and damages Naperville's reputation as a welcoming, confident community.

From a safety standpoint, unmarked masked agents with guns drawn in residential areas create chaos.

Residents can't tell who's law enforcement and who's not.

That confusion endangers children, bystanders, and even officers themselves.

It also erodes trust in the Naperville police department, trust that Chief Ares and his team work hard to build and sustain.

That is not a part of this is not a partisan issue.

It's about upholding our shared values, fairness, dignity, and the rule of law.

The Illinois Trust Act already set an important foundation, and our Naperville police department has worked honorably to uphold it.

But as federal enforcement becomes increasingly unpredictable and at times unlawful, our city must take the next step.

The welcoming city ordinance would ensure that no city resources are used for ICE operations, that mass and unidentified arrests are not tolerated, and that schools, hospitals, and homes remain safe spaces.

This ordinance is not about politics.

It's about protecting the constitutional rights of all Naperville residents, immigrants and non-immigrant alike.

My 10-year-old asked me the other day if ICE could take me because one, I was eminent immigrant, born in South America, the way that I look, and because I speak Spanish.

That was a heartbreaking conversation, and no child should have to worry, carrying that kind of fear that their parent may be unsafe.

Naperville has led before on pro on gun safety legislation, on equity initiatives, and on community partnership.

Let's lead again.

Because silence in the face of fear is not neutrality, it's complicity.

Let's make sure Naperville continues to stand for safety, dignity, and belonging for everyone who calls the city home.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Signy Gleason, followed by Steve Cushman and Philip Buchanan.

Good evening.

My name is Gleason.

We'll close the microphone for us to speak directly.

No, it's super directional.

Thank you.

My name is Signy Gleason.

I'm a long-standing resident of Naperville.

I'm here today in support of the welcoming community ordinance.

We are all aware of the abuse of civil and human rights of the individuals in our state, our county, and our community.

Individuals who not so long ago were considered to be essential workers are now considered a menace.

The welcoming community ordinance is consistent with the Illinois Way Forward Act.

It is in keeping with Naperville's mission statement in which part states creating an inclusive community and values diversity.

It is consistent with Naperville's stated values, people, trust, respect, and pride.

Let us respect all people in our community.

Trust that all people in our community will be treated with dignity and in turn be a community that we can all take pride in.

I urge you to consider and pass a welcoming ordinance, welcoming community ordinance.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Stephen Cushman, followed by Philip by Philip Buchanan and Elizabeth Pine Himmelman.

Hi, my name is Steve Cushman.

I'm here to talk about the IME EA contract, the power supply contract that's currently being reviewed.

I brought each of you a gift since it's a holiday season.

Hopefully you'll regard it as a gift as it's more reading, and I know you guys always need more reading, right?

Um but um the reason uh and in full disclosure, I do strongly urge the uh renewal of this contract.

Uh I've lived in Naperville a number of years, and I think the service that's been provided by IMEA combined with Naperville Electric has been outstanding.

I've been here long enough to remember when Naperville had horrible electric service, brownouts all the time.

Uh it was I couldn't believe how bad it was.

Um I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is, so I I've been doing research on this issue, and I found this author.

He actually published his book in 2021.

This is a 2024 update.

The author is Dr.

Steven Coonin.

Uh a very impressive resume.

I'll let you all read that in the back of the book.

The book is only slightly two, it's slightly less than 300 pages, so it's not a long read.

It's very well written for a scientist, because I've took science courses in college and they always made my head hurt.

Um, but this guy writes pretty well.

Uh I would strongly urge you to take a look at this specifically uh the whole book, if you can, but chapter 13 talks a lot about how hard it is, how difficult to maintain an electrical system to be reliable.

It's a dance that's a very delicate dance, and if it doesn't work, uh I think we all know what happens if the electricity goes out for one hour, it's an inconvenience.

If it goes out for a day, it's a pain in the neck.

And if it goes out for a week, that's a mess.

Uh we talk about depending on the time of year.

This you talk about people that are really suffering.

Um anyway, uh, I did give you this uh this one book to take and review.

Uh it's a very balanced approach, which I find sometimes is hard to find in the whole climate issue uh area.

Uh at least I think it's a balanced approach.

Um the um uh included in there is two sheets of paper.

Uh I came to the uh council earlier this summer and handed out the city of Winnetka or village of Winetka, who approved the IMEA contract.

They're very similar to Naperville, they're a smaller population, but they punch above their weight, and they did an excellent job, I thought.

I brought that only because we have a new council person, uh Council Person Jane, and uh, but I thought I'd put it in all of the all of the binders.

And the third thing I brought was just a few days ago in the Wall Street Journal.

Um they had an editorial or opinion item, and uh Bill Gates has done a uh very uh significant change in his thinking on climate change, so I included that in there.

I think it's worth your read.

Um I wanted to talk a little bit.

The city of Winnetka decided to renew the contract because they thought it's a significant risk.

I think it's up.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Philip Buchanan, followed by Elizabeth Pine Himmelman and Vince Clark.

Good evening, Mayor Worley, Council members, Mr.

Krieger, staff and residents.

My name is Philip Buchanan, and my comments tonight are my own and do not represent any group or organization.

It's been a while since I've stood at the podium.

We have a new member on the dais.

Congratulations.

New council member chain.

District 204's loss is our gain.

And of course, with this is some sadness.

Former councilwoman Longebauer.

She worked so hard on our behalf.

On to the main topic.

A few thoughts on SECA.

An ongoing concern related to SECA funding is the increasing portion of budgets being allocated to city services, often leaving fewer resources available for the actual execution of events and projects.

As a potential solution, I'd like to suggest exploring the expanded use of Naperville's community emergency response team, or CERT, CERT, to help supplement staffing.

CERT volunteers are trained in areas such as fire safety, disaster medical operations, and crowd control.

Skills that could effectively support event logistics while reducing reliance on paid city services.

Would it be possible to increase CERT participation at these events to help offset some of the city services costs?

This approach could free up more funding to support the core mission of SECA, enhancing community engagement through arts and special events.

Milton Township supports the CERTS program for Wheaton and Glenn Ellen, where volunteers assist with numerous Wheaton Park District events.

Their involvement reportedly helped the city save up to 250,000 annually in service related expenses.

I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the proposal further and explore how a similar model might benefit Naperville.

Thank you for your time and consideration, and I yield back.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Elizabeth Pine Himmelman, followed by Vince Clark.

Good evening.

I am here to speak in favor of the petition to adopt the welcoming city ordinance to ensure that every person in April continues to be protected with the same level of safety that is already demonstrated regularly by our local law enforcement.

And on that note, I want to thank the Naperville police.

Thank you, Chief Aries, for the work in keeping our city safe.

Last month I witnessed their commitment to everyone's safety and First Amendment rights at the No Kings Rally that took place on the municipal center steps.

So thank you.

I think it's safe to say that we all love this city and know that Naperville is one of the safest in the country, and it is diverse.

Nearly one in five Napervillions were born outside the U.S.

And this diversity is our strength, but that strength is being tested as federal ICE agents operate locally near homes and grocery stores and schools.

So as both a parent and a pastor in this city, I see the fear and anxiety rising in our community as this violence happens around us.

And I really, really wish that my junior high age child did not have to be having conversations with me about what to do if ICE shows up at his school or ask about the no ice entry signs on our church office doors.

In Illinois, the Trust Act plays an important role in people's safety, and this welcoming city ordinance would increase trust as well as decrease fear in our city and in our local government.

And continue and means that Naperville will continue to stand for safety, dignity, and belonging for all.

So thank you for your consideration.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The next speaker is Vince Clark.

Greetings, my name is Vince Clark.

I spent almost 30 years down the block at 1350 Aurora Avenue.

I'm a retired police officer retired in 2022.

Last time I was at this podium was 2010.

We were battling police officer rips.

I'm here tonight to discuss the retiree life insurance.

There are currently 560 retirees enrolled in the city's life insurance policy.

Tonight's public form was prompted by a short letter that I received sent and also sent to all the retirees in the city of Naperville via the benefits form.

Retiree life insurance is being increased in 2026 by 2,387%.

It's going from $1.60 a month to $39.80 a month for a $20,000 policy.

This is the first increase since 2020 2008.

I surveyed all Naperville retirees, 188 of them and asked them if they were canceling.

40 said yes, 20 said no, and 10 were unknown.

The unknowns are related to an outcome of this meeting concerns about and also concerns about being eligible for replacement insurance because of their age and health conditions.

Excuse me, go from 1990 to 2025, as far back as I could get.

Some of the retirees are now blind, have dementia, diabetes, missing kidneys, cancer, 80 plus years old, etc.

This increase is create will create a financial hardship for many.

Most of these funds were earmarked for funeral costs.

I read some of the Facebook comments on the city's Facebook page, and other retirees outside of the police department are expressing the same concerns.

I've also been advised in April Fire Department retirees of also are also seeking follow-up information from the city staff.

To be fair and transparent, I dug out my retirement paperwork, and I did sign and acknowledge the possible increases, but there was never any verbal discussion about the policy contract links, past increases or decreases, how the policy worked, or any concern about not being able to cash out on a TOD.

In fact, the cold suburb retirees that I spoke with, they were advised this is less than $20 a year for a $20,000 policy.

It's a no brainer.

I understand HR benefits as the administrator of the plan and don't control the rates.

But the issue is there was no explanation given.

The retirees received a raw letter with a new effective date and a new starting date, nothing else.

The letter was advised, the letter advised the retirees if they wanted to cancel, they had to use the attached form.

Well, most of us didn't even have an attached form included.

I'm not here to challenge the math, the product, or the forms that are signed at retirement.

What I am here to do is educate council and the staff on how this process has impacted retirees.

Sending a letter with a 2,387% increase and no explanation for the increase is not good business.

The average city retirees had 20 to 30 plus years of service or half their adult life dedicated to the servicing to people of Naperville.

Delivery of this letter has created hostile, the delivery of this letter has created hostility amongst the retireers and a feeling of being cast aside.

I would encourage staff to provide an explanation for the 2,387% increase and maybe even create some type of retiree portal or an info section on the city's website for our for the retirees.

An educated retiree is a happy right here.

An educated retiree is a happy retiree.

I have several questions.

Was this known prior to the letter being sent?

Is did this increase have an impact on current city council?

I have two more lines.

Okay.

So thank you.

All right, don't leave.

I we want to get back to you during the council members' public forum portion.

Okay.

How long is that?

Um just a few minutes.

Thank you.

Members of council, we have a request from one of the speakers who was called and not in the room when he was called to be considered for his three minutes of public forum.

This would require an action from the city council.

I'd be looking for a voice vote in favor of allowing Mr.

Rashid to do his three minutes of public forum testimony.

All those in favor sign aye.

Opposed.

Mr.

Rashid.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you, City Council.

My name is Kyle Sim Rashid.

I'm a human rights lawyer here in Naperville, and I'm here to encourage the city council and the mayor of Naperville to uh adopt the welcoming city ordinance.

And I want to cover just three main issues here.

One, I really want to emphasize the importance of due process of law on a federal level and on an Illinois constitutional level.

What we're seeing with these ICE fascists is the denial of due process.

And that's why I deliberately use that word fascism.

Because fascism, when it takes hold, when we saw it take hold in Nazi Germany, when we see it take hold in countries like Russia, it's when people are denied due process of law.

And the data is showing this.

A report by the Guardian found that there are at least 5,000 cases of child sexual abuse by ICE and border patrol.

Of child sexual.

This is just the documented stuff that we know, and there is no accountability from both the Biden administration and the Trump administration.

So I want to emphasize that to me, this is not a partisan issue.

This is a human rights issue.

I mean it.

Another study by ProPublica, a nonprofit outlet found that more than 170 U.S.

citizens have been arrested, beaten, and tortured, mostly all of Latino ethnicity.

Yet another study by the ACLU found that pregnant women have been arrested wrongfully, tortured, and miscarried at the Louisiana and at the Georgia facilities.

What this means is that the basic fabric of our democracy of our republic is being ripped to shreds.

And we don't have to let it be this way.

Because the reality is that ICE is not coming after Democrats, they're not coming after Republicans.

They're coming after people in this country.

And the reality of due process of law as enshrined in the fifth and the 14th Amendments is that you don't have to be a citizen to receive due process of law.

It is a guarantee afforded to every person here.

Several years ago, I spoke here about the need to call for a ceasefire in Palestine.

I asked for the city council to speak up, it did not.

I and many of my colleagues warned that whatever we allow our tax dollars of fund overseas, the government will use against our citizens, our residents, our neighbors here in the United States as well.

And that is exactly what we are seeing happening.

The denial of due process to Palestinians in the West Bank is the exact same denial of due process to our neighbors here in Naperville.

Fortunately, we don't have to take this here in Aprilville.

And the welcoming cities ordinance lays out proposals endorsed by Mayor Brandon Johnson, pushed forward by federal judges, uh forbidding ICE from arresting people without a judicial warrant without due process of law.

And my ask of each of you is to stand on the right side of history, do not be silent and speak up and say that here in Naperville, we are the safest large city in America for a reason.

And that reason is that our law enforcement, our city council, whether we are Republicans or Democrats, we work together to uphold the constitution and maintain due process of law.

We have an opportunity to lead by example, and I ask you to adopt this welcoming city ordinance to do so.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other speakers.

All right.

I I first like to um I address um Mr.

Clark's concerns regarding the retiree life insurance benefits.

My understanding that Director Ollis, you have drafted and have you sent out a new letter regarding the retiree.

That would be going out life insurance benefit.

That will be going out this week to all retirees.

Okay, so uh Mr.

Clark, there's when this was brought to our attention.

Yeah, come on up.

When this is brought to our attention, I first of all had to get educated on the issue and had conversations with Mr.

Krieger and our RHR folks to look into this.

This is the 100% voluntary opt-in life insurance benefit, which is separate and apart from our our pension programs for police fire and IMRF.

Um, the vendor, my understanding, is an outside vendor.

We went out for proposals when we got this uh significant renewal number, and even after going out for proposals, the the number is still the cheapest on the street that the city could find at that particular time.

The HR director is sending out a new letter that goes into very significant details as to all of the different things that took place.

The um what the lost runs were that that got us to the point of where the uh premium paid in was far exceeding the premium uh I'm sorry, the premium paid out was far exceeding the premium paid in.

The benefits paid out was far exceeding the premium pay in.

Good thing I'm not in the insurance business.

Um but that letter is going out like within 24 hours, 48 hours.

Where are we gonna be with that?

We're gonna be printing it tomorrow and mailing it to those retirees that have that coverage.

And can we email it as well?

Um, if we have an email that's um valid, yes, we will send that out via email as well.

So more information to come and and um I hope it'll clarify some of the concerns.

Yeah, and just to follow up, if I I think this is why I'm up here, but just to address that that was the main concern.

I mean, you can imagine reading I have the letter here if you've seen it, it's it's raw.

It's it's the the funds are going up.

Send the form if you don't want it, it's effective today.

I obtained the um opt-out letter, and I was able to email it to all the members in the retirement part of the FOP or not the FOP, but the police department.

But 560 people from the city are enrolled in this.

Um, I did my due diligence and got the information because most of you know how I work, and I do follow up with this, but there's tons of people that are uneducated.

Um, for this to even happen to have a letter come out now.

I don't know what prompted it.

It's kind of upsetting.

You can understand the hostility and the and the um concerns about you know what the retirees actually belong and what we feel.

I mean, there's a big community, 20 to 30 years of our lives, and take it or leave it, no explanation.

So I appreciate that that is coming.

Hopefully, some of the retirees by voicing their opinion have prompted that.

I know we can't control the insurance prices, but um, an educated retiree or employee is a happy retiree slash employee.

So I appreciate that.

100%.

And like I followed up at the end.

I mean, I had some questions, it's not really gonna make a break this whole thing, but I would encourage, I know the city's website has won awards.

I don't know who the people are that make these since I've been here for almost 30 years or remember us winning awards on a retiree portal, either a sign-in or something.

I it will alleviate a lot of pressure and responsibilities, I think, for HR to send these things out and say make sure your beneficiaries are up to date when I can go right online and do this.

And I know a lot of the people I work with don't have common sense and follow-through.

A lot of them didn't even get this for me because they didn't update their addresses.

But then it becomes the onus of that I would say the employee, hey, do this, it's your responsibility, so they can't come back and point fingers at you know HR.

If they're great, they're they we need them.

Thank you for everything you've done with the exit interview and stuff, but there's just definitely something that's got to be cleaned up.

A portal or uh uh some education on the website for the retirees, because we're not going away.

I mean, 560 is probably half of what I think we're probably close to a thousand employees.

I don't know where we're at now, 900, but that's a lot of retirees that could be educated by a simple sign onto a webpage.

Your feedback's very valuable, and and again, thank you for all of your service and uh to the other retirees and it's good seeing some of my past colleagues.

Good night.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilman Halzar.

Thank you.

Officer Clark actually had a comment for you.

Um you don't even have to go up.

Uh I just wanted to say thank you for your service.

Um when I have coffee with like the FOP leadership, the stories they tell are incredible.

Like the last time I had coffee with them, I remember one of the officers had been injured because a suspect had fought her, like the day before she came to meet me, and every officer there had amazing stories like that.

This is an incredible city.

You worked hard.

I get what you're saying, it's a respect issue.

I'm a military veteran.

Uh, I get veterans, group life insurance, the communications, the transparency, all of that.

It matters, it's more than the money, it's the respect.

So you hear it.

Um, you may know we actually are updating our city website in like that's on in the budget.

Um, I've been talking to Director Munch, just talked to her a couple of, I should say, um, sorry, don't know the formal title, but Ms.

Munch just talked to her a couple of days ago about this.

So your feedback could actually not have been more timely about a retiree portal.

So I definitely will follow up on that.

So thank you.

Um, that's all I had regarding this issue.

I did have three other um public form issues.

Thank you, sir.

Is that it?

Anyone else?

You're dismissed, thank you.

Uh three other issues that I was gonna bring up, and um Kelly is about uh put one up on the overhead.

So my number one favorite part of being a city council member is scout tours, um, which is Girl Scouts, Cub Scouts, or just your school groups.

Um if there's one thing I'm known for when I leave this council, my epitaph could say I do I give a good scout tour.

Uh so if you're watching this and you have kids who would be interested, just write city council, our group email address.

I'd love to cover the tour.

If I can't, one of my colleagues could.

Um, but yeah, they are fantastic.

We just had one night, and um I learned so many things from those kids just tonight.

Amazing.

Uh one of the kids learned about our sister cities and offered to volunteer his yellow and blue soccer jersey to send over to Mexico so that they could display it in their city hall case.

I thought that was such a cool idea.

Um, second, I wanted to turn to Chief Aries.

Uh Chief Aries and I both sit on the downtown Naperville Alliance.

And um, one thing the business owners had raised is that uh there have been a lot of issues with noise and difficulty enforcing Chief.

Would you mind explaining what's going on there and some of the efforts you've made?

Yeah, happy to uh councilman, thank you for the opportunity to speak on this.

I don't think it's just the downtown group that's had a problem.

I mean, this is a community-wide issue, actually a countrywide issue that we've heard about, so it's not new to our community.

Um we've probably been the leaders in DuPage County in terms of citations for loud exhausts, um, probably tinted windows as well.

The issue, I believe are you bringing up the issue that I spoke one of the so as I've explained to many on the dias and in the room, we're we're but one branch of the government right now, right?

That can um enforce legislation.

That's that's the job of the police department.

We enforce the laws.

Part of the problem is that anybody in this room can go to a number of car parts dealers for that's a really bad anal.

But you could go to a car parts place and get an illegal exhaust put on your car, and you can have your windows illegally tinted.

And this isn't just hyperbole.

I actually had an undercover go into a number of places, businesses in our town and asked to have what would be an illegal exhaust put on his car.

So it make it now illegal to drive the car on the street, and they were willing to do that, as well as tint his windows to an illegal level.

So my point in that was we can enforce the law, but as long as we're whereas there's got to be more to it to help us enforce this and stop people from being able to put these devices on devices on their car.

Thank you, Chief.

And I appreciate the proactive um approach there, uh, doing that research, uh brainstorming with me on this.

Um in new business, I am planning on bringing an item for us to look at this as more of an upstream uh issue uh rather than just dealing with downstream consequences.

I mean, one of the things I think about is when our police officers get into you know a car chase with a motorcycle or whatever it is, the number of people that are endangered over that issue.

If that's the way we're enforcing noise, that seems like the totally I'll say it nicely, but totally backwards way of uh dealing with it.

So um I do want to look at the upstream source there a little bit.

Um finally, regarding Emily Lauren, Diana, Signey, and Elizabeth, um, and not trying to leave yacht costume.

There's a reason I'm singling them out.

Costums run for political office before.

I'm saying I'm talking about you because these are all people who have never run for office before, they've never gotten in the political space in a candidate or elected official um means, but they still came out here tonight.

Um you've already sparked a lot of dialogue privately amongst council members, having us look back at council policies that have been on the books um for a number of years and haven't had a look in a while.

Um, and I want to also give a shout out to Diana and others at Almus.

Um, you know, they actually did the work to reach out to the police department.

They had a meeting with Chief Ares to talk about some of these issues a couple of weeks ago, um, and really really trying to find a constructive solution, you know, as much as possible.

With regard to Emily's comments, you know, talking about this tragic story of um the man with a broken ribs and the eternal bleeding.

Um, it just kind of made me think if you're if your child sees an unmarked car pull over with an unidentified person dressed in black and a mask, and he tells them to get in.

What do you tell your kid to do?

Um, and I think maybe that's a question as a society we should be pondering if that's a country one want to be living in.

And then Naperville, our police have taken great efforts to make sure our officers are appropriately marked.

There's no confusion about what neighborhood police officers do and don't do.

More broadly, um, someday the history books are going to be asking about this era or discussing about this era who bore the mantle of leadership in a way that unites people in service of others and who did not, who carried themselves in a way unbecoming of their office, or who just looked the other way.

The easiest thing to do in era like this is just to sit on social media and while watch it all play out as a passive observer.

It may seem like an era where anything goes.

And when this era passes as it will, those who sow division and discord will be held accountable.

And our grandkids will read these stories in history books too.

But the question they will ask of you is grandma grandpa, where were you and what were you doing in this moment?

Um were you on a screen getting mad in private, or were you in public speaking, advocating, and helping to preserve this great country?

Making sure they inherit a country that's greater than the ones we grew up in.

And my message to you tonight, who all came out is don't quit.

Encourage others to keep speaking up.

Look up on that screen, the people who are up there are counting on all of us.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you.

Any councilman White.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um just to kind of um say what Councilman uh Holsaur said.

Um I'm uh I've listening to a lot of the speakers that came up to talk uh about what's going on, and uh I'm just wanting you to know that I'm I'm listening, I'm hearing you I I empathize with what's with what's happening as well.

Um I can tell you as an African American male who has African American children.

Uh, oftentimes in uh in the black community, uh we have what we call the talk.

And oftentimes uh if you don't know what that is, it's what do you tell your children if they're pulled over?

What do you tell them?

Keep your hands at 10 and 2.

It's yes, sir, no, sir, or yes, ma'am, no ma'am.

You do what you're told, and you don't want don't want to spook the individual who potentially pulls you over.

My challenge right now is I don't know what the talk is that I can tell you what to do when if you're pulled over.

I I don't know, and I feel sad about that.

Um, but that's something that we need to be able to do as far as educating ourselves because I don't want anyone to get injured um or get hurt, something horrible to happen because they didn't know what they what they could do or what they couldn't do.

Um so I do feel for you.

Um I was uh at the Almus event this week on Saturday, and what an amazing job uh you all did, Diana.

That was absolutely fantastic.

The weather was a little kind of crummy, but the amount of people that came out and supported the event I thought was outstanding.

So I would just ask for uh you all to continue on with the uh with the great work.

Buchanan still here Phil I see you back there um I think what you brought up was something we definitely ought to look at from a SECA standpoint um we we do have the CERT officers that uh go out and I mean they're all volunteers and they do a lot of great stuff for us and what the example you gave as far as what happens up in Wheaton and the amount of money they've been able to save when it comes to city services uh it's something I think we in Naperville ought to look at uh and see if there is some um something that we can leverage there um but thank you all for uh for all your comments um great job thank you mayor thank you thank you mayor thank you to all the speakers you all spoke from the heart I I can feel that being an immigrant latest immigrant and uh being in Brownskin and English is not my first language I can connect this thing very easily very easily and I've been telling to my kids the same thing you know so we have to be careful we have to carry multiple IDs with us I have never said something like this to my kids in the last eight years but in last three months six months you know I told to my kids we cannot travel internationally we have to carry our IDs always I I'm carrying my three IDs with me right now don't know when what will happen who can pull over you so this is the time we all are leaving it I never thought that I will be in this situation when I moved to this country I had a lot of dreams I spoke to my kids this is one of the best countries in the world and we are going to a country where we have freedom and everything you know but when I sit here and I see social media when I read newspapers when I listen to people friends families and other it is not the best time we all are living today and I agree we need to stand up and we have to be in the best uh side of the history right side of the history like uh sim and we need to do something we cannot be silent watching helplessly and I'm not somebody who will sit watch helplessly I will step up that is my personality and I will try to do whatever best is there in my hand in my capacity and try to help as many people guide coach whatever I can do it.

So thank you so much on this yeah councilwoman Gibson.

Thank you mayor um a couple of things I'd like to comment on first of all Mr.

Huss the climate coach program I'm really excited about that.

Um my family put on solar panels a couple years ago and it was a confusing process to navigate um wish we would have had a program like that so I hope members of our community avail themselves of that service.

Mr Buchanan I am a CERT graduate um volunteered for um COVID testing back in 2020 at the county fairgrounds and I and where like you said other communities use their cert team quite a bit I'd love to see Naperville use theirs more because I think there's some eager volunteers there.

And then finally to the members of our community who came out to talk about the welcoming ordinance I really appreciate um your time I know coming out to meetings and speaking out and all the work you put into this takes a lot and I appreciate that you care and are making um action happen.

I know a lot of us up here have been and will continue to work with staff each other officials at other levels of government um business leaders nongovernmental groups community groups I look forward to continuing to work with all of you to make our community safe and welcoming um I've like I said we've topic that we've been aware of for a while one of the things I want to communicate to our community is how important it is to know your rights.

There have been a lot of know your rights trainings um on Zoom a lot of different organizations are hosting them and there's some resources um in particular two I just know of are the Southwest Suburban Immigration Project and the Illinois Coalition for Immigration and Refugee Rights.

I'll amplify those on my social media channel as well um but I speaking for myself and hopefully my colleagues um I I think this is something we need to be having discussions about to make sure that um Naperville is standing by our values and protecting its citizens.

So thank you for coming tonight.

Um, just quickly to echo uh the comments we've heard already from others on council here.

I pretty much agree with everything that's been said, and especially want to say thank you to the speakers who came out tonight.

Um, you know, we've heard tonight, and we've all seen heartbreaking stories and and dangerous stories, quite frankly, in Aprilville.

Um it's not esoteric.

You know, it's been in our city where people have been taken away, and where we've had you know guns drawn in Crest Creek and and other dangerous situations for the entire community, just maybe not only folks uh who could be targeted by ice, but certainly in particular, those folks.

Um I'll I say I'll say I share Councilman White's frustration with not really knowing what to say or what to do or what to recommend to quite frankly, and uh not only frustration but concern, I think, of not wanting to recommend something that might potentially put folks in either even greater danger or risk than they are right now.

I think Councilwoman Gibson's point is a very good one that knowing your rights um is very important, and maybe partnering with nonprofits, uh certainly legal counsel is critical.

Um and just trying to be very cautious and trying to help the community and certainly not harm it.

Uh, one thing that I do think would be helpful.

We heard education a little bit about, uh mentioned a couple times.

I'm wondering if our chief of the police department might be able to weigh in just to give a little bit of for one, just some information about what activity you are aware of happening or not.

I know sometimes you're aware and oftentimes you're not aware, but also if you could potentially give the community um some background on the trust act, which was mentioned, and I think there was a post on Facebook quite a while back, but you know, not everybody's on Facebook or seeing every post, so it might be helpful in a meeting tonight if you could just discuss a little bit about what the trust act is and how the police department uh does and does not act as a as a result.

Chief Aries.

I think you councilman.

I'll keep it short and sweet.

Um, we are not notified by Homeland Security of any operations that are going on in town.

That is also very similar to many other federal agencies that execute different operations in our town.

We're not always brought into the loop for a number of different reasons.

I'm not gonna get into now, but um the trust act we can't assist with anything immigration.

We can only assist not only ICE or Homeland Security, but any federal agency with criminal behavior.

So if there is a crime, um, we can help them out, all federal agencies for criminal, um, not civil immigration warrants or anything like that.

So crimes we can assist with, anything else, immigration we cannot assist per the trust act.

Thank you.

All right, thank you very much.

Councilman Sayed.

Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

Almas.

I wanted to congratulate you for hosting that fantastic event on the weekend.

It was amazing.

I was there, I was there almost for full time, and I've seen brave community who came up to that event, attended that event with all this uh happening around OCD, but still there were people who were there with the kids, families, everybody.

So a good shout out to you all for hosting this and this atmosphere, you know.

So thank you so much for doing that amazing job, bringing everybody together on that day.

Thank you.

And I have a follow-up uh questions for staff.

And I just wanted to have an update about uh IMEA contract, what are we doing it, what's happening, some latest uh news if we can share it for the community so that you know we know in what direction we are moving forward.

Thank you.

Ryan Growth Electric Utility Director.

Um last week the RFP uh window closed.

Uh we received responses.

Uh staff is currently reviewing those responses and will uh update the council as needed um once we've determined valid responses and things like that.

With respect to contract with negotiations with IMEA, staff is still working with IMEA on the nine bullet points from the August 19th council meeting.

Okay, and what is a timeline beyond expecting on this?

I think we expect to communicate with council um at the end of this week or early next week.

Okay, right.

Thank you.

I have a follow-up question for staff again on about 248 project.

So we're RB right now.

Director Louden.

Uh so we're currently working with our engineering consultant to do the detailed design as well as uh complete some land acquisition that's required for the improvements.

Um so we're still working towards um starting construction in 2027 with a completion in 2028.

Okay, thank you so much.

Thank you.

And as we conclude public forum tonight, I'd like to thank all of our speakers who came to see us tonight.

All of your comments have been recorded and will remain part of this meeting's official record.

You've been heard by this council and by your community.

Communities entrusted the city council with the responsibility of determining whether official city actions are appropriate, responsible, and in the interest of our city.

And your comments are an invaluable additions to the countless discussions that both I and I'm sure all of us here on this dais have had on all sides of the issues that have been brought to us tonight.

So thank you.

Our next item is the consent agenda.

May you have a motion to use the omnibus method to approve the consent agenda.

Councilman White.

I move to use the omnibus method to approve the consent agenda.

Second Kelly.

All those in favor sign aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes 90.

I may have a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Councilman White.

I move to approve the consent agenda removing item I-11.

Second Kelly.

We have a motion, a second to approve the consent agenda.

Roll call.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm I'm skipping ahead here.

Uh Mr.

Schottz, please read the consent agenda.

Removing I-11.

Approval of the regular city council meeting minutes of October 21st, 2025.

Approval of the city council meeting schedule for November, December 2025, and January 2026.

Approval of the award of the cooperative procurement for police department uniforms and equipment to calls LLC for an amount not to exceed 198,000 for one year term.

Approval of the award of the cooperative procurement for Oracle Database Support to Mythics LLC for an amount not to exceed 152,599 for one year term.

Approval of the award of the bid for liquid cationic emulsion polymer for gravity belt thickening to polydyne for an amount not to exceed 134,805 for a 30 month term.

Approval of the award of the bid for liquid cationic emulsion polymer for centrifuge to watering to Polydyne Incorporated for an amount not to exceed 409,691 dollars and ten cents for a 30 month term.

Approval of the award of the bid for tree planting services to the fields on Caton Farm for an amount not to exceed $500,000 for a one-year term.

Approval of the order of the RFP for virtual reality officer training systems to VARMED for an amount not to exceed $373,000,375 for a five-year term.

Approval of the award of change order number one to the cooperative procurement for Northwest Waterworks Exterior Wall and Roof Restoration to Garland DBS for an amount not to exceed $21,596.

Approval of the award of change order number one to Jack for Pure Procurement for municipal center drop ceiling replacement to rogue incorporated for an amount not to exceed 11,558 dollars and 75 cents.

Passing the ordinance approving a second amendment to the site development agreement for the resubdivided South 40 property.

Passing the ordinance approving variances to reduce the required side yard setback and allow more than 25% of the require required rear yard to be occupied at 550 557 South Washington Street.

Adopt the resolution authorizing the execution of an intergovernmental police service assistance agreement to join the Northern Regional Major Crimes Task Force Burglary Task Force.

Adopt the resolution approving the agreement between the city of Naperville and the state of Illinois related to roadway and signal improvements at Ogden Avenue and Rickard Drive.

Adopting a resolution approving an intergovernmental agreement between the city of Naperville and Illinois State Toll Highway Authority regarding the inclusion of work of city work in the rehabilitation of the Washington Street Bridge or over I-88.

Adopting the resolution authorizing a workers' compensation settlement contract between Victoria Richardson and the city of Naperville and adopting the resolution authorizing the execution of a collective bargaining agreement between the city of Naperville and Naperville Police Sergeants, Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Labor Council.

We have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda removing I-11 roll call.

Morley.

Yes.

Gibson.

Aye.

Hall Tower.

Aye.

Jane.

Aye.

Kelly.

Aye.

Mick Broom.

Aye.

Say it.

Aye.

White.

Aye.

Wilson.

All right.

Motion passes 90.

I-11.

Item I-11 is a recommendation to pass the ordinance amending section 3-1-9 of the Naperville Municipal Code Food and Beverage Tax.

Councilman McRoom.

You asked to have this poll.

I'm sorry.

You asked to have I 11 polls?

Yes, yes.

Okay.

Thank you, Mayor.

So when Mayor and some of my other colleagues and Director Munch first brought this up to me, it made sense.

I understand the fairness issue.

There seems to be a loophole in food and beverage tax.

Um recently I've raised a lot of concerns about how the food and beverage revenues are being spent.

Uh seek a grants.

Um more recently at our last budget workshop.

Um agreed to a additional funding to NCTB.

So you know, if that's what the wishes are and we we get to to budget um and vote on it, that's the way it's gonna be.

But the way I look at their financials.

Uh with this new ask, uh the city will be funding NCTV at about 80 percent, 730-ish thousand dollars.

Uh they'll still be in the red by 213,000.

So I think it's fair to say within a year or two, the city will be fully funding uh that operation.

And if that's the wishes of the community, that's fine.

I was just surprised to not have any harder questions, um, ask NCT if they had any plans to restructure or find a way to not be relying on um on the food and beverage tax.

So anyway, uh a lot of concerns about how the food and beverage tax is being spent.

I understand uh why the mayor put it on the agenda and and the reasons behind it, but um uh I'm not gonna be supporting uh adding more money to uh to that fund.

So thank you.

Thank you, Councilman Wilson.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh similar concerns when this is brought up.

Um would prefer at this point to look at ways to uh reduce the uh food and beverage tax or the and or the allocation of SECA for to add more um drive-through businesses to the to the pool um with the understanding that the uh it's not quite exactly fair to other um storefront locations.

Um and additionally to that, uh a little bit worried weary, uh quite weary of uh adding to uh tax pool without specifically knowing where the funding was going.

Um I guess with with regard to increasing the total pool um and it possibly going to NCTV here.

I'd I'd uh as mentioned at the last budget workshop.

I prefer to um not increase that total pool and uh have more of a reallocation toward uh NCTV.

So uh without specifically knowing where this would be going, I have concern with that, so I'll be voting no.

Thank you.

Council Walzar.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, definitely my colleagues' comments are uh well taken.

Um you know, part of the purpose of doing the budget process and having the different entities explain their expenses for us to you know review them, make sure that we're using the taxpayers' money as wisely as possible.

Um item some of my colleagues flagged last time, which I think was really worth taking a look at, um, is that we're still spending a six-figure sum of money um on a printed restaurant guide.

And I know that's a nice to have.

Um, I'm a business owner.

I have to make a lot of hard decisions on nice to have's versus need to have, and in an online era, I'm just not sure if that's if that makes the level of uh of a need to have.

So I I do expect to be bringing that up, and that should actually do a lot to um help address the issue that my colleagues have raised.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you.

May I have a motion?

Councilman White Mayor, I move to pass the ordinance amending section three-1-9 of the Naperville Municipal Code Food and Beverage Tax.

Second Kelly.

We have a motion and a second.

Any further discussion?

Councilman Sayed.

Oh, no.

Oh, you were ready to vote.

Um, one of the reasons I asked to have this cleanup language put into place on the the food and beverage taxes is to create a symbol of fairness across all of our restaurants and collectors of the food and beverage tax to make sure that there's not people getting a special deal and and um uh having a cheaper product because they don't have a table in their facility.

So that that's one of the reasons I I pushed to get this um cleaned up and and to have fairness across the board until we realize what those newly included businesses will generate.

We really don't know what beyond an estimate that number could potentially look like.

So in my eyes, we get to a point where we recognize over a year's time what a stabilized new revenue is with these new sources of income in there, and then potentially look at well, is there an opportunity to reduce our our our food and beverage tax and um uh make it a little easier on people who eat in our restaurants?

But until we get there, we we have to see what this experience looks like and with everybody paying in the way they should be.

I think that's the the first test.

So maybe down the road we we could get a report on what that looks like and consider other options.

Seeing no further discussion, roll call.

Gibson.

Aye, Hulzhauer.

I Jane, aye Kelly, I McBroom?

No.

Cyan.

I white?

Aye.

Wilson?

No.

Worley.

Aye.

Motion passes 72.

L one.

Item L1 is conducting the first reading of the ordinance amending section 11-4 of the Naperville Municipal Code regulating the operation classification and safety of e-bikes and e-scooters.

We have two speakers.

The first speaker is P Justin White, followed by Randall Case.

He's bringing props.

Just may ask how much time do I have?

Two minutes or three?

You get three minutes, and sir, the the microphone has got to be right in your face.

It's very directional, otherwise we won't be able to hear you.

Got it.

Okay, great.

So some of you may know me as uh Justin White.

So I've spoken here before uh council as well as TAB.

Um I'm part of NEST, I'm part of the subcommittee on transportation, and there's even a subcommittee to that.

So we do deal with the bike and walking and mobility.

Um so I am speaking here today about the uh the file 251410.

Um I uh want to just kind of give credit to uh Chief Aries uh for meeting with uh Ride Illinois, which is a counterpart to to my group, um, as well as the the local regional action um action transportation team.

Uh so one of the things that um you just want to give you a little context.

So some of us I've actually been here primarily under the the tutelage of Tom Craig.

Some of you remember Tom, we have spoken to you about kind of the pending uh onslaught of e-bikes and e-motos.

So as we know this summer, they're here.

So um, yeah, not to say I told you so or Tom did, uh, but sometimes I know we're in reac in government, we're we will be reactive, but that's okay.

You know, it's kind of a it's a good time to kind of talk about this.

Uh so one of the things that I just want to kind of convey is that we we try to convey the the ideas of safety, alternate modes of transportation, micromobility, so they're all wrapped into one.

And really to kind of get to this phase, as you know, the newer residents that are coming to Naperville, they're not always wanting to jump into the car, they're looking to be able to walk to the Walgreens, they want to be able to go to the library, different ways.

This is just the way we are today.

So, one of the key things here is um I want to just call it for uh Mr.

Chief Aries that the basically the ordinance is pretty much a uh carbon copy to the state uh regs, as as you know, Chief Aries.

Um, there are a couple things that are a little different.

Um, as some of us may be here today, is that in the same neighborhood they did call out that no e-bikes for anybody less than easy um 16 years old, which is a kind of a deviation from what the state is.

Um I guess I'll go into that here a little bit shortly, but this bike is a class three bike, which is the one that can go to 28 miles per hour, but class one and two can go up to 20.

So let's just say pedal bikes and e-bikes that do class one or two, there's really no difference.

So one of the items we discussed with park district in the past is a speed limit on the trails.

So that is something that I leave up to the group to consider.

The other item that is a difference from the what the right Illinois and the state has recommended is draft says 20 miles per hour without pedaling, whereas right along recommends 20 miles per hour, because that's technically what it is.

Class three on this bike, when it gets to 20, there is no throttle.

So you have to pedal.

So it's just something to consider, Chief Aries for that.

Um I would really like to emphasize is that concurrently, as Mr.

Hines and uh Jennifer allowed me here, we are meeting as of this moment with Ebstein, which is the hired consultant to re uh to update the 1997.

I say that again, 1997 bicycle walking plan.

So we are very excited to be at this phase.

Okay, I just want to thank you.

This is a class three bike, just as I walk out with my bike.

This is the motor.

This is with a battery.

You cannot always tell.

So I know they will hear afterwards to get the most.

Thank you again.

Thank you.

Next speaker.

The second and final speaker is Randall Case.

Good evening, everyone.

As you guys may recognize me, I spoke here in public comments several months ago on this exact subject.

And as Congress, or excuse me.

I've been also speaking with uh Senator Ellman.

And she's the one that's been keeping me up to speed on all this.

And also, I have come to well, my fiance and I had an experience on Sunday about uh with these e-bikes.

And based on the answers that we were given when I was speaking to a child about the e-bikes who almost mowed down a lady with a stroller pulled holding it um a toddler walking on the sidewalk.

And based on his answers, it sounded like he was you know coached on what to say by the parents or other adults, which I think is quite ridiculous.

And I'm glad to see about you know, when I was reading uh the ordinance on this about the fines going to the parents.

That's something I think is very important because teaches them to be more parental versus being, you know, it's like we said in military leadership, not likership.

And there's so many parents out there that are worried about their parents hating them.

I'm sorry, but there were times that my dad would beat the crap out of me for doing something stupid.

I didn't hate them, I loved them for it because I'm the man I am today because of it.

And I just urge all the all the members, all the council members, to vote on this and vote yes, because you know, these kids are just being stupid, and they're not you know, they're not paying attention.

They think they're that they're able to walk on, you know, that they can ride on the sidewalks, and that's something that shouldn't be happening, especially when they almost take out a woman pushing a baby stroller and holding a to uh a toddler.

So, and again, a lot of it is education.

And I said before, you know, if you guys need help, need volunteers.

I'm more than willing to help educate the public on this.

You know, the students going into the schools and stuff.

I have nothing but time because I have no life.

So thank you very much for your time.

I do appreciate it.

Thank you.

You can test ride that bike out in the parking lot if you'd like.

Uh no, thank you.

Any council members, uh, Councilman McRoom.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh, couple questions, Chief.

So this ordinance is closely um, it's almost almost identical to what's already the law in the state, but there's some deviations from it.

Um, the one that jumped out at me was the 18 for the scooter.

I don't, I mean, scooter, I kind of know what it is, but uh so I you know, kids can drive at 16.

I you know what is that a state?

Is that one of the state laws?

Yes, sir, it is.

So Illinois state law says you have to be 18 years old to ride an e-scooter on the roadway, and it has to be roadways 35 miles per hour or less.

So so even if we said, hey, we don't think that's reasonable, it should be 15 or 16.

We can't write an ordinance that's uh different than what the state we couldn't lower an age, correct?

I'm gonna invoke my right to an attorney here and have him answer that part.

We can make laws that are stricter than the state law but not less strict than the state law.

Okay, okay.

Um, I think that answers my question then, Mr.

DeSano.

For just a point of clarification on the definition of a scooter scooters, and then there's like the razor type scooters, right?

So do you want to clarify which scooter we're talking about here?

Sure, we're talking we're talking about uh the electric scooters that have uh electric motor on those.

So the human-propelled razor scooters are are not being regulated by this ordinance, only those which have the electric motors which power them and allow them to reach those speeds would be the ones that are regulated.

Councilman Kelly.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, and thank you to staff for bringing this forward.

Um it's it's a major annoyance, or worse than that, even I think for a lot of people in this town.

So we appreciate you doing the work on this and the in the ordinance, uh draft ordinance looks good to me.

Um, you know, maybe maybe there's some conversation about some of the changes, but I don't know.

To me, to me, on first glance it looks good.

I don't see anything that I think needs to be changed for the second reading.

Uh, what I'm probably more curious about than the specifics of the language because it is consistent with what the state already has uh one, how might we enforce it, and two, how might we use education to get the word out in in the community, uh, both to parents, because I do think that is critical.

Parents are the people who are buying these things for the kids and letting them use it, and also the schools.

I know I've shared with you, Chief, uh, some emails from the school district and from the junior high, uh, where they basically say, hey, here's some safety ideas for scooters and bikes, and and it drives me crazy because they're really not supposed to be used at all, uh, certainly not on the sidewalks, and after we pass this ordinance under city ordinance, not at all by under 16 for e-bikes or 18 for scooters.

And I I guess for my perspective, the city the school's emails saying we know they're popular, here's some safety tips, gives the appearance that it's permissible, and and really it's not or it won't be soon.

Um, so I'm just wondering if we have a plan of action either from police or communications, how we're gonna work with the school district to maybe get the word out to the community, both parents, teachers, and children.

Yeah, and I completely agree with you, councilman, that we have to continue with the education.

It can't be a one-time thing.

So Kelly Munch from the communications department and our department work together, and we we used another sent them another graphic to put into the backpacks to be sent out both in 203 and 204.

And I believe that's just something we need to keep frequently doing.

Um, I would encourage, you know, even the council with some of the graphics if approved for the ordinance to share that through your versions.

The more people that share this, the better.

Um, one of the things I'm trying to figure to work with, you know, you've kind of heard where I've talked with the businesses, and our community is great, is as great as it is because we partner together.

The bottom line is a parent could still walk into a store in Naperville and buy this bike.

And if they don't see our communication from the police department or your communication, if the store isn't willing to share some details as well, because these laws on e-bikes, uh, there is you know another tweak in there that we made to class one and class two e-bikes to be 16, but where these can be ridden in that literature isn't being handed out when you buy these bikes, and then you bring in online retailers.

So it I'm gonna try to push education to our local stores to hopefully hand flyers out.

We can supply them with these flyers when folks are buying these bikes, whether they take that on or not, is obviously up to that specific business.

But it takes a community in many different phases, and this will be another one to really push that education out because I don't know the parents really understood in the cases when when they were buying these bicycles for their children that e-bikes can only be ridden on the street.

Um, and I I want to I I'll expound on the class one, class two, because maybe it's gonna be a question that somebody came up and why we moved it to 16.

Children, it doesn't matter your age, you cannot ride any bike on anywhere except the designated bike path where it's allowed, or the street.

They can't be ridden on the sidewalks.

And as a parent of young kids, you know, children under 16 who aren't licensed, don't understand the rules of the road.

And the expectation is they have to ride these bikes, not the expectation, the law says you have to ride these e-bikes on the street.

So if you don't understand the rules of the road and you have to operate on a roadway, do you know how to signal your turns?

Do you know how to change lanes?

Are you creating a hazard for yourself and other motorists?

The belief is yes, because they're inexperienced with the rules of the road.

Hence the answer to uh I believe it's Mr.

Case that brought that up, why we made it 16 for class one and class two.

That's why, because they have to be ridden on streets um to be legal essentially, or a designated bike path.

So education will continue, and I just wanted to add that part in answer any questions about the Y 16 for class one and class two.

Because we've seen a lot of dangerous situations that I don't based on my experience, I believe is just the lack of experience with kids understanding the rules of the road.

That answer your question I think good enough for now, yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Talents we try that again.

Councilwoman Jane.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um extension of the education piece.

Do we anticipate any street signage um that would also be educating all around the parameters, speed limits, things of that nature?

Do we think we might have that?

Chief, you want to try to answer that question?

It's a lot of street signs we'd have to put up.

Um if we were gonna consider that, I think the only area we consider is as you enter our town, but it's it being a state law.

I don't know that people are gonna see that.

I don't want to say yes or no.

Um, I don't know the read rate on street signage or whether people are paying attention to that or not.

I would I would defer maybe to public works to see the expertise or or to the transportation engineering group on that.

Yeah, thank you.

Um the other question is a follow-up to Councilman Kelly about the enforcement.

How do we anticipate being enforcing this ordinance?

Well, we could be complaint-based, like a lot of issues we receive from traffic violations now, and hopefully an officer can be in the area.

We could be self-observed by a police officer in their vehicle.

Um, and I don't say this happily.

I wish you know, part of part of this law is gonna be like every law that's on the books for how we drive.

We need people to comply.

So whether it's on their e-bikes or in their vehicles, we need compliance.

Yeah, people still speed and speeding is against the law.

So when we're in the area and we see that, we'll address it.

Same thing will apply to e-bikes.

If we're in the area and violations are committed in front of us, that's how we would enforce it.

If there's a neighborhood that has repeated issues, kind of like speeding vehicles in a neighborhood, then we can deploy our resources, our beat officers in that area to monitor for those violations and then address them as they come up.

That's great.

I think that that educate that's part of the education piece too, as we as we go out and we speak to um community members.

And it's also um probably worth noting that a lot of 16-year-olds are not choosing to get a driver's license yet.

So even though they're 16, they may not have a driver's license and still may not know the rules of the road, um, or 17 or 18 for them out or even older, but just something to think about as we're thinking about that education piece.

Councilman Wilson.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh similar question for Chief Aries.

Um, just in terms of in enforcement, I could see uh resources being constrained if a uh patrol officers already out dealing with an issue, and then you get calls in about e-bikes or whatever.

Um I I just imagine it being uh hard to be enforced when you know we only have a certain amount of officers on the on the job.

I mean, would it uh would it be helpful for like I don't I don't really know CSOs to look at it when kids are coming out of school or um anything like that they don't have the authority to enforce the type of violation Illinois vehicle code violations for that, so make it a little more difficult.

Thanks, Chief.

You're welcome.

Councilman White.

Uh question for I guess for Chief.

Um we do see cases of the uh e-bikes on the sidewalks, but I think bicycles in general are they should not be on the sidewalk.

Is that correct?

It's not bicycles can be on the sidewalk, they just have to yield the right away to pedestrians.

Okay, all right.

Something that probably needs to be cleared with with the public.

Um and I I kind of had the same question as some of my colleagues did as far as consequences um or how you're going to enforce it.

I mean kind of, you know, if it's going over a certain speed, I'm not sure we're gonna have law enforcement folks with with uh radar detectors to determine it.

Maybe they that's how they do it.

I don't know.

Um if you could maybe answer that.

And uh the other question would be um if they are is there a consequence for enhancing your e-bike that exceeds that 28 miles an hour?

Is that would that be something that would be subject to that fine?

And if it does go over that, and I'm asking a few questions here, but if it does go over that, at what point is it maybe considered a motorcycle or has to abide by motorcycle type rules.

Yeah, I think that would be so that would be something we'd have to work with our city attorney with or the state's attorney's office with if somebody does because you can doctor the bike.

Now, what I will say in a lot of cases, I think there are some of our residents that think the bikes are going faster they could than they can go just because of how that looks on a sidewalk and around them.

Do I think there's cases where maybe a bike could be doctored?

I do.

Do I think that's the majority of what's happening?

I don't do I have any way to quantify that.

No, except that just kind of by visual observation.

We are trained, you know, when we get certified with radar to be visual observers of speed, and I think sometimes it's just the shock of the moment and seeing the bicycle go by where people think, well, that was going 50 miles an hour, when in reality it was probably just the 20 that the e-bike can go or 28 if it's a class three.

Um, our radars could pick that up.

If you ever notice the the speed trailer we put up, it can't pick up a bicycle going by, so we could technically pick up the speed on an e-bike with that.

So, and like anything, if we're in the area and we see it, we can take enforcement action.

If we're not when it's there, then they might get away with it that day, very similar to many other folks in communities around the country violating traffic laws.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Well, just a couple of closing comments on this before we um finish our discussion.

This is only the first reading, and it will come back at a future meeting for final action.

Um my personal feeling is that there's a lot of classifications than this ordinance.

There's a lot of confusion about what's legal, what's not, what's over the speed, what's over that speed, and there's a lot of education that we need to work on pushing out.

And as much as we'd like to rely on the police department for the enforcement of this ordinance, the reality is we need to rely on parents in our city to be responsible for making the right decisions for their children and being in compliance with this ordinance in whatever shape it takes at its uh potential approval at a future meeting.

I, for one, have witnessed near misses that gave me heart palpitations and and you know a little guy almost getting run over when most of his friends went one way, but the little guy on his little e-bike spun around in front of the car who could barely see him above the hood of the car, and it reminded me of how important our job is to make sure that tragedies don't happen in our community if they are potentially preventable.

There are kids getting killed in neighboring cities.

There was just one not too long ago in I believe Plainfield.

And um, let's face it, we we have a responsibility to protect all of our residents, especially our children, and I'm hopeful that we can deliver that message.

Uh, one suggestion for the community education piece is that we identify stores and rental facilities who rent and sell these types of bikes and provide them with informational signage that they can post in their store, much like we have signage for liquor related matters in our liquor sales environments.

I think that would be a good opportunity for us, and then ultimately extend this to the community education in our HOAs and other neighborhood associations.

But as much as we'd like to think it's a police problem, it's a community challenge.

Next item, L2.

Ms.

Schatz.

Item L two has two options.

Option A concur with the petitioner and direct staff to prepare ordinances and OAA agreement approving the requested entitlements for Dutch brothers at 1230 South Neighbor Boulevard, or option B, deny the requested entitlements for Dutch brothers at that location.

There are three speakers who have signed up, and nine uh statements of opposition and 11 written comments were posted to the website.

Before we do with the speakers, I'd like to have um a city attorney recognize.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Uh, I just want to make the public and the council aware that uh prior to the meeting, uh, the petitioner has asked for counsel to um table this matter indefinitely so they can continue to uh process the input that they're receiving and and work on the proposal.

And so I just want to make that clear before the speakers come up.

Okay, call the first speaker.

The first speaker is Gino Galuso, followed by Joe Warner and Jamila Hussein.

Next speaker, Joe Wanner.

Next speaker, Jamila Hussein.

Good evening, Mayor Wortley and esteemed members of the city council.

My name is Jamila, and my family and I live in the Heatherfield neighborhood, which is just south of Naper Boulevard and Market Avenue, where the Jewel and the Marianos are.

Um, as a neighborhood, a few of our neighbor a few of the neighbors were talking, and we do oppose this specific location for the proposed Dutch brothers because it directly borders a residential area with limited road capacity, heavy traffic, and frequent pedestrian and bicycle activity.

However, if the project does move forward, we really urge you to require meaningful design changes and make it safe to make it safe and compatible within the surrounding community.

Our concerns center on traffic flow safety and neighbor neighborhood livability.

First, the current plan reduces parking and removes the bypass lane.

This creates a significant bottleneck without a bypass, cars caught in the line cannot exit, which will cause backups into share the shared parking lot and market avenue.

Anyone who has driven through this area during peak hours knows how tight that space already is.

Second, the proposed design offers limited stacking capacity.

So in other words, there isn't enough space for cars waiting in line to stay within the site.

During busy times, those cars will overflow onto Neighbor Boulevard and Market Avenue.

Two roads that already experience congestion during both the morning and afternoon commute.

This is going to make things dangerous, increase delays and frustrate drivers passing through the corridor.

And I know just as a resident in that area from just taking walks down that street with or without kids.

There's already so many near misses getting into and out of that parking lot.

So these two design flaws, no bypass and limited stacking, essentially guarantee that overflow traffic becomes a neighborhood's problem, not the businesses.

And the burden shifts from private property to public streets, which is precisely what zoning and planning standards are meant to prevent.

Um respectfully ask the council to deny this location or at minimum to condition approval on the following changes.

Restore full parking and stacking capacity so traffic can be contained.

Reinstate a bypass lane to relieve congestion.

Require a post-opening traffic and safety review to verify that these issues are effectively managed once operations begin.

We love Naperville because it balances growth and livability.

We're simply asking for that same balance here to ensure new development enhances the community rather than overwhelming it.

I, like many others, love a good cup of coffee, but I just want you to take this with a little bit of thought.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you.

Councilman Holzar.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh, just actually wanted to give a shout out to Jamila, our last speaker.

Um I posted something about this topic of Dutch Bros Um in Naperville talk on Facebook like a month ago.

I think that had over 40,000 um views, like it was off the charts.

I don't think there's ever been an issue that has had that much attention.

And yet, there's one public forum speaker who spoke about it, so it's kind of interesting, but your voice really matters when you come out.

So I appreciate that.

Um there were a lot of people in this community that have expressed concerns, concerns which this council's heard about this.

Um I think the petitioner had the opportunity to address um some of those concerns, and they haven't been to this point, and we're now at a point of an indefinite delay in the consideration of this.

Um, I think it's just a reminder to all developers that come in to take the concerns of county of council seriously, the concerns of the community seriously.

Um, and I just appreciate for speaking up.

Thank you, Mayor.

Councilman White.

Oh, I'm sorry, Councilman Kelly.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh, just a question for staff.

I think we all understand what the indefinite table means, but if you could just give a little bit uh more information for the public to so they can know exactly what that means and what it would require to come back for our consideration at some point in the future.

Mr.

DeSanto.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Yeah, the council is the option to table in two different ways.

They can table to a date certain, which takes five votes, and then it would come back at that agenda, or the council can table indefinitely.

It also takes five votes, but then it takes six votes at a future meeting to bring it off the table and bring it back for council consideration.

I think what's advantageous for the petitioner on this matter is that they know that there's still some work to be done, and so it gives council the option to take it off the table in the future when it's ready to be reconsidered by the council without necessarily having to send it back to PCC.

However, council at any time could send something back to PCC if they believe a different additional review is necessary.

Thank you.

And and just to confirm, will we need to vote on this matter then, or has the petitioners by virtue of the petitioner requesting a table?

Is that already done, or what will we need to do tonight?

You will need a motion to table indefinitely with a second, and then that would take five votes to pass.

All right, thank you.

Seeing no further discussion, Councilman White, may have a motion.

Mayor move to table item L two indefinitely.

Second Kelly.

Motion and a second to table L two indefinitely, roll call.

Hold hour.

I Jane.

I Kelly.

I broom.

I cyan.

I White, I Wilson.

All right, Worley.

Yes.

Gibson.

Aye.

Motion passes nine-zero.

Our final item tonight is new business.

For items this council is asking staff to bring back on a future agenda, or for motions to can reconsider past city council votes.

Does anybody have any new business?

Councilman White.

Um, thank you.

I uh a question for uh Miss Louton.

I know I had brought up um a few council meetings ago about uh revisiting overnight parking, and just wanted to see if you had uh could give us an update on that.

Director Loudon.

Sure.

So um our TED team um has had um several discussions, um, a lot of brainstorming coming up with all kinds of different ideas on how we can approach this, um, ways to expand the program.

Um a lot of different ideas.

So we're actually um synthesizing all that to an internal report right now that we can share with police, fire, and public work so that we can then expand the conversation out to those groups um in order to coalesce around a recommendation that we'll bring forward to um city council.

This will likely also be considered by the transportation advisory board as well.

So we're it's not it's not fast progress but uh there is progress being made yeah that was kind of my my next question uh with the holiday season approaching and so on is we're anticipating not being able to have a solution prior to the holidays because a lot of folks are going to be home visiting and yeah I so I don't expect to um and I'm I'm gonna kind of look over to the side dias because uh usually the police department will uh put a moratorium on that time uh overnight parking usually at the holidays you don't enforce it yeah so I think we'll be okay for the holidays but but we won't have a permanent solution uh to recommend to you by then okay do we um do we put anything out to the public uh in that regard so that they know that yeah usually yes sir we do okay post it on social and let them know that we will not be enforcing it on all the major holidays okay thank you any other new business thank you mayor sorry I appreciate all heads up as promised in um public forum uh I uh would like to get council sport hands in the air um to have staff come back with suggestions for um how to address um some of the illegal modifications um that are being uh made to vehicles in a more proactive upstream manner um as opposed to just individual enforcement which endangers officers so basically asking for staff to provide um some options for an ordinance that could address that councilman could I just ask a clarification sure so when you say upstream you're saying to address it at the the businesses who are potentially making the modifications sure I mean I don't even know if business is the word right if if um if you know any entity is it could be you know and sorry I'm I'm thinking on my feet here but if I would say if any entity is you know doing like if Ian is doing an illegal modification on Benny's car and it's illegal for Benny to have Ian should be a part of that too.

That's the basic idea sorry to pick on you Benny Okay.

Yeah everybody understand the question any other questions for Councilman Holzar before we we look for hands in the air councilman McBroom is this a question okay go ahead I don't know if it's for councilman uh whole teller but uh for chief you mentioned earlier uh when the councilman was uh mentioning this that you've done undercover uh operations so um so you have uh found these establishments or places or garages that do this and um I assume there is some enforcement they're breaking a law right they're not breaking a law they're not we couldn't find a law at this point that it would be breaking to do that okay okay councilman mc uh councilman ultimate holesauer it's a long night uh is looking for hands in ear support of his request okay he's got the hands any other new business seeing none may have a motion to adjourn councilman white motion to adjourn secondly all those in favor sign aye aye opposed we are adjourned