Yeah, you're already here.

And we have uh administrative service director, Mr.

Cummings, and uh do we have anybody else, Mr.

Cummings?

Let me let me open this up wider.

You can see it.

Yes, you have deputy corporation.

Thank you for uh coming.

We have somebody from corporate council, so we're represented there.

And I think that's it.

So uh first on the agenda is we're gonna open up a public hearing on the uh petition for street acceptance on Sanders Street.

Unfortunately, we have nobody who is there, but we're gonna go through the motions because we are required.

So therefore, I'll call for testimony in favor.

Nobody present, so I'll close testimony in favor to open it to testimony in opposition.

Again, no attendance.

So I'll move to testimony again in favor.

Nobody present, and we'll go to testimony in opposition.

Nobody present.

Therefore, the public hearing, the petition of street acceptance, Sanders Street, I will declare closed at 702.

At this time at 702, I will open up the regular meeting of the Committee of Infrastructure, call for public comment.

Nobody from the public is in attendance.

So we'll skip to communications.

Uh Clerk Clee.

Uh yes.

Um thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

From Sam Durfee, AICP planning manager, referral from the Board of Alderman on petition for street acceptance for a portion of Sanders Street.

Thank you.

From Wayne Husband PE, Senior Traffic Engineer, Division of Public Work Support of Pending Legislation O twenty-five-069.

From Wayne Husband, PE Senior Traffic Engineering Division of Public Work Support of Pending Legislation O twenty-five seventy.

There being no objection, I'll accept the communications to place them on file.

And when you get that if you can make the motion.

Sanders Street um attorney Leonard Yes.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Now you know why we have you, counselor.

You and and uh attorney Bolton are invaluable.

Yes.

Okay, I'll open it up for discussions.

Alderman Sullivan.

I just had a city one oh city government one on one question.

When we accept uh petition for street acceptance, are we basically saying this is now a public street?

Is that essentially what this does?

Uh counselor, uh what do you have to say on that?

Uh the the short answer is yes.

It comes public right of way.

Okay, but is it counselor?

Isn't it all uh already part of it?

A public street because it was an address at one time for the former John Mansfield.

Well, it it I'm afraid I don't know.

Did you all get the uh attorney Craven had sent uh communication, but it was just today, so I don't know if it made it okay.

All right, so the short story is Sanders Street has been around for a while.

It was narrower than what the new design and layouts and traffic patterns required, and part of the site plan was um approval required of right-hand turn lane onto Bridge Street, and after it was all constructed when we were doing our um basically sort of the final due diligence on the project, uh looking for things like this, dotting I's crossing T's, it became apparent that in fact the um right-hand turn lane that was required and necessary and built was not on um or was not in the Sanders right-of-way, so the land it was on, it was to decide would be the or the street would be dedicated.

Now, in a dedication, um that's I corrected myself because the land does not go to the city, it's a dedication of an easement for public use uh for as a street, which most streets are in the city okay.

Satisfy your audit of Solomon, outstanding.

Further discussion, Alderman Clay.

Thank you.

Um just um, so that for for the public and actually even for my um make sure that I understand it correctly, when it becomes a public street, it means the potential for trash pickup for ploughing and for the city's ownership as well of paving and so on of the street, correct?

Uh yes.

Here where it's just though a turn lane, you know, I'm that it it doesn't have much import, but generally, yes, uh making a street public means the city is responsible for it.

It also allows for development without further agreements um from the city.

So if it's not an accepted street um of a certain class, you can't develop on it without a certain agreement, but here that would that doesn't really matter.

Here also it the Sanders Street, including this portion, is subject to a maintenance agreement, so that the developer um who's developing, I don't know the name of the the complex off the top of my head.

Uh we the city sold the land to the developer uh a few years ago.

In any event, they're going to be taking care of the street, and uh it's one of a small hand now of a maintenance agreements that the city has with developers, so it does help um maintain the the areas really some of these bigger developments want that responsibility because they can make sure their tenants you know get plowed out maybe a little sooner because it's not on a primary artery for the city, so normally it would wait longer for the DPW.

Not to say they don't do a great job, there's just a lot of a lot of roads to travel.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, uh questions on the petition saying none, I will call for the vote.

Uh all those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye oppose motion carries.

Uh council Leonard, are you gonna stay with us?

I I wasn't planning on it unless there's a specific anything else.

Um I don't think so.

I yeah, no, I think we're gonna be all set because what I was questioning 02572 regarding disposition of real property, but I think we've got a perhaps table it because the prime sponsor is not here.

Mr.

Chairman, yeah.

Chairman, if I may interrupt you, I did get a um a message from the prime sponsor, and he asked for the legislation to be held.

Um Director Sullivan wasn't free tonight.

And he um so he was going to join via Zoom, but um that's not possible because Director Sullivan isn't, so he asked if you could hold the legislation.

Well, that takes care of that.

Outstanding.

Very good.

Thank you, Alderman Clee.

Okay, uh Councillor, uh you're all set.

Thank you for attending.

Okay, well, thank you, and thank you for allowing my attendance uh via Zoom this meeting.

You are always welcome.

We need help here sometimes.

Thank you.

Bye.

Okay, we'll move now on to unfinished business.

Um there is none.

New business resolution.

There's none.

New business ordinances.

Yes, that is 025-069, authorizing a stop sign on Wilson Street at its intersection with Almont Street.

Did you bring that up?

Is it yeah?

That's what I'm gonna be bringing up once I make the motion.

Okay.

At this time, I'd like to make a motion to recommend final passage.

All right, we'll give the clerk a second.

Um here we go.

Yeah.

And uh Alderman Thibodeau.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Um, yeah, so this is to uh put a stop sign at the end of uh Wilson Street where it interfaces with Almont Street.

Um it is right around the uh the uh corner on Almont Street, and so site visibility and potential of speeding cars.

Um you know does increase the the potential for danger.

Um it does have favorable recommendation from uh city engineer Hudson, and uh I would like your uh approval.

Okay.

Discussion on the motion.

Okay, seeing that I will call for the vote.

All those in favor signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion carries.

All right, Alderman Clay.

Uh yes, I'd like to make a motion for 020.

I'm sorry, I'd like to 2507, authorizing stop signs on Macefield Road and Ryden Avenue at their intersections with Peel Road.

At this time, I'd like to make a motion to table 025-70.

Okay.

Um we're tabling this as like a courtesy because Alderman Table could not be with us this evening.

And so I think he wants to speak on it.

So uh I don't see an immediate rush with this.

It has been approved by the city uh engineers and everything, but uh willing to uh as your choice, but I am willing to grant the courtesy to a fellow Alderman that wants to, you know, way too a later date.

So we'll move this to our next meeting.

Okay.

Um we need a motion.

Yeah, I did.

I made the motion.

We can't debate it, but we're gonna made the motion.

But I just want to can I ask a clear can I ask a clarifying question?

I I will allow it.

Yeah, because I just spoke longer than I should.

Usually we're not supposed to.

Did the prime sponsor ask?

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's why it's on the script is table.

That's why I said okay.

This is like uh a courtesy granted.

Yep.

Okay, the way to look at it.

Okay, very good.

Uh all those in favor of tabling?

I uh say yay.

Aye.

All right, aye.

Yeah.

Pose?

Nay.

You say nothing.

Nothing.

No, I'm not staying.

I have to put it down.

Uh a little confused.

Yes.

Okay.

Uh in the next one?

Yes, please.

O 25072.

Um regarding disposition of real property.

At this time, I'd like to motion to recommend tabling as well.

Okay.

Uh and there's no defeating.

Yeah, there's no debate, but just information.

Uh again, the prime sponsor and other people that could give us more information.

Can I be available?

So with that, I'll call the vote.

All those in favor of tabling, say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Oppose.

Motion carries.

Okay.

And we have also previously tabled the deal with drive, but we're not going to bring that out.

Uh no wish as of yet.

And general discussion or remarks by Alderman.

I I just Alderman Clay.

I just I just really want to thank everybody on this committee and and uh everybody from last night.

It was a long night, and uh, I thought there was a lot of really great debate.

And I'd like to thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

I know you were being a taskmaster, but uh I appreciated we got out here in the same day that we came in zone.

Well, I I if I may follow up, I thank you all.

You allowed me uh graciously to do my job and to keep us all on track, and uh you know, you guys are the best.

I give I consider our committee one of the best, but please don't tell the others, you know.

Still don't get upset, you know.

But I think we got the best committee, yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Uh are we still under general discussion?

Yes, we are.

They're both kind of the things combining with uh reason alderman's remarks too.

I had a I just had a question.

Um I don't even know what year it was, maybe it was the beginning of 2024.

We we talked about the parking study.

Where does that where is that we are still actively, believe it or not, I am working with uh uh the parking director, Miss Stanfield, yeah, and right now we're trying to get focus in on one particular area.

You know this is, and I had a lot of conversation with Alderman and Thibodeau, and all I can say is be careful what you wish for with this.

A lot of people want it, but pick it picture one of the streets.

There's a lot to look at, and what some of the things to look at is you cannot by law park across from a driveway, and there's a lot of driveways downtown.

So what looked like a vi uh a viable parking uh space, it really isn't, okay.

Uh and then also it goes by some streets that were grandfathered or made available in the past, don't meet the current code requirements, you know, of width, you know.

Uh, because you got to include the snowbanks and the vehicle parked and everything.

So it needs to, so we're looking at one and focus trying to focus on one and one and only zone to do right now.

But here's the thing if you're on the peripheral of that zone, you're gonna evidently have a sticker placed uh on your wheelchair uh your uh windshield that says you can park in that stone, uh that zone.

The next street over is another zone.

You cannot park there, you know.

And with the there's more cars registered in the city of Nashua than there are parking spaces.

And what happens is the typical things we got to look at is the people themselves.

Developers taken a two-family home where there may have been only one car per family, so there was only two cars, and they parked in their driveway, and that was all set.

Now they took that two-family home and they turned it into four to six apartments, and you have a you know a gentleman there or a nice lady there that's living in the apartment, but have visitors.

And i i you like I say, you know, trying to get it, and those visitors would not be allowed a permit, you know, because it's basically looking at some of these streets.

We don't have uh enough linear miles for the cars.

So we're doing it at a snail's pace.

And the reason, and it's I'm glad you brought it up because gives me the opportunity just to say why is it going at a snail's pace?

Because once my opinion, we let the cat out of the bag, it's gonna be difficult, such as in the uh the streets that were already granted, you know.

I don't think we really can go and then yank it back, you know.

Then we look like, you know, I I was gonna say old term for my job, but I'm not it's not culturally correct now, but you know, when we're not gonna, you know, do it.

So we only get the one opportunity to do it right, and that's why the snails pace with it.

I understand uh, you know, it would be a convenience to our constituents, but it may be just because you have your apartment in that area out in front of your apartment.

That's not your space.

That's a public parking.

And somebody two streets over that are in the zone could park there legally.

So it's not really the panacea that they may believe is what it is.

So we gotta do it right.

And I admit, yeah, it looks like we're dragging the mill wheel, you know what I mean, with this.

But uh it has to be done.

But there is the committee.

We're working with Desmond Enterprises, uh, Mr.

Andy Hill, and uh there was a meeting today, and I think there's a meeting next week that we have with them, and uh because of the encouragement with uh Alderman Table, we're more trying to get into focus and trying to uh get a uh a zone where we could start with, and if we do it right, then that could be the template for the rest of the city.

Like in my situation, in our situation, Alderman Solomon Award 9, you know, you could park on both sides of the street and I can have uh the Macy Day parade come right down Woodfield Street, and it's not really an air uh an issue.

But unfortunately, with some of the other neighborhoods in uh Alderman Clees Ward and everything else, it is.

Is it fair?

It's not.

I mean, these streets were designed for horses and carts, and the stables are still in the back of some of these that's now called a garage.

You know, so it's curious where it was.

Yeah, no, it's a legitimate question, and I'm glad that you asked it because I I hope it kind of gets out there that you know uh Miss Stanfield is director of parking, you know, is you know, on top of it, realizing it, but it it's um I really don't see a big parade coming down Main Street once it's completed, you know, because it's gonna come enforcement-wise and everything else like that, its own set of issues.

So that's a circle all the way back of what I said be careful what we wish for.

We gotta build it right from the beginning.

Ultimate doubt.

I was just ready to make a final motion.

Ultimately would like to put it.

Thank you.

Um yeah, my my word is I've been complaining a lot that I I need this, this parking as well.

I I will be honest with you, I like the zones that creating these little tiny neighborhoods because the way it is now, when you get an overnight parking pass, you can park anywhere in the city.

Um so you know, you go to visit someone and there's an overnight parking space there, you can use that where the people in that area have been using it now suddenly they can't.

And I I think it gives us a better planning as to what is the need of the area.

But I do hope then when we um that when we are dealing with this that we have a um a review process.

Oh, and in other words, that that we we we look at the neighborhood and say, okay, who is interested in this and they apply for it, and maybe there's gonna be more that apply than there are spots available, may have to work on a lottery, but that maybe every year or every two years we make sure because like in my ward, we have a lot of people who live in apartments, and you know, a year later they may be gone.

And in the past, the um the sticker or the no parking, I mean the overnight parking is granted to the car and the owner, the vehicle of it, and not the owner of the property.

Um, which I agree with.

I don't think that landlords should necessarily be the ones granted the spaces.

Okay.

Yeah, she's ultimately has rightfully so brought up the lot of questions with it.

It is some of these people are transient.

And can they take the sticker with you?

And you know, if they declare an address, I mean these are all questions we're gonna have to and as you can see, you know, it's like uh digging the tombs in geezer, you know what I mean?

Once you scratch here, you got something else popping up.

So but like I say, we have a great guy in uh Mr.

Hilly's an engineer and's work with uh other municipalities on that, so it works out good.

Alderman Dowd, one second, because I gotta do it so they can say that I did it, and that is public comment.

Nobody's in attendance, so we'll move to Alderman Doubt in our favorite motion, motion to adjourn.

Motion is to adjourn.

All those in favor signify by saying aye, all right, all right.

Motion carries, and well, declare us adjourned at 724 p.m.

Thank you, everybody.

Thank you.