Well that's close idea.

Which is the widow maker.

I'm going to call a regular meeting of the Board of Alderman to order on Tuesday, November 25th, 2025 at 7.30 p.m.

in the Aldermanic Chamber, which has been duly noticed in two places, including the city's website in accordance with the requirements of RSA 91A.

The prayer will be offered tonight by City Clerk Dan Healy and Alderman Clemens will lead us in the pledge to the flag.

Almighty God.

We have the high honor in the Sierra's duty to manage the affairs of our beloved city.

Fill us, O God, with a spirit of unity and understanding, which enables us to face our multiple problems with a serene mind with justice and charity for all, so that any and all decisions made by us will always be for the better bit and greater happiness of all our fellow citizens.

So help us God.

Amen.

I pledge to the flag of the United States of America and public stands.

Alderman O'Brien.

President Alderman Greg.

I'm here.

I'm probably not able to be there before I knew that I was going to get sworn in early.

I'd already made travel plans, so I'm at my son's house.

And nobody can hear me or is with me in the room.

I'm by myself.

Aldwin Moran.

Here.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Here.

Aldwin Govea.

Here.

Alderman Lopez.

Alderman Sullivan.

Here.

Alderman Clemens.

Here.

Alderman Senate.

Here.

Aldwin Jetty.

Here.

Alderman Tebow.

Here.

Alderman Clee.

Here.

Alderman Dowd.

Present.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Alderman Wilshire.

Here.

14 present one absent.

Thank you.

Also joining us this evening is Mayor Donchus and Corporation Council Steve Bolton.

Mayor, did you wish to address the board this evening?

Yes, Madam President.

A few things.

First, for the last couple the last couple of weeks have certainly been a busy time for housing, the production of housing here in the city of Nashua.

Certainly, as everybody knows, housing, affordable housing is a critical need.

Earlier or late last week, we had the groundbreaking ceremony for the Mohawk Tannery project, which you all have been supportive of, which will not only clean up a site that's been polluted for closed and polluted and open and polluted, uh closed and polluted for 40 years and open and polluted for some years before that.

A cleanup there and the ultimate addition of 550 units of housing.

And uh neighborhood advocate Sandy Belknap, who's been on this for the last 28 years.

She also certainly was instrumental in making sure that people's attention didn't never left uh the Mohawk Tannery.

The other project, Madam President, uh that uh you all can see beginning is the the construction of uh housing on the former NIMCO site uh which is in the mill yard, and the first step is of course the demolition of the old building, uh which has largely occurred.

There's still a little bit more to go.

Uh there we will see 250 or so units of housing, 20 percent of it affordable.

And then right across the way, um, the Bagshaw site uh has also been acquired for for uh housing, and we'll see some some.

I think the number of units there is unclear at this point, but certainly uh it will be something similar to what we see on NIMCO.

So that uh will be a big change for the Milliard Area and a big step forward for two big steps forward for the city.

As I'm sure everyone is aware, the holiday stroll is going to be on Saturday.

I hope everybody can go.

For many years we have progressed down Main Street from City Hall to the top of Library Hill where the tree lighting has occurred.

This year the we will begin at City Hall again, but we'll uh finish in the restored new Renaissance Park, which will be open at the time.

Again, you all have been very supportive of that project.

And that will be the first time when the public can really uh see what's been done at least so far.

The north part of the river is not done yet.

But um uh that will be, I think, a a great uh project for the city, and it's a gonna be really fun to see the stroll enter stroll finish there.

You might on the holiday front, uh you might see that the holiday lighting has taken has been done on Main Street and looks great, so I'm always happy to see that.

Uh Madam President Um Harbor Care, I want to thank them because today they held their annual Thanksgiving dinner for mostly for people who can't otherwise afford a Thanksgiving meal.

Uh they serve about 300 people.

Um I and many other I was sort of the junior of the political figures.

There was Senator Hassan and Governor Ayott and uh Congressman Papas were all there.

Uh they gave me the roles, so I served the roles that probably is the easiest the easiest thing to do is what they gave me.

Um but uh they served about 300 people again, and it was uh again a really nice event.

Um on another item that is on the agenda, Madam President, I wanted to mention R2529.

Uh what this involves is the fact that uh in the last session of the legislature, the a bill was passed that uh enabled cities or communities that host casinos to get a week's uh take uh so to speak, the 35 percent that the nonprofits would often get at each of the casinos that uh are hosted within the community.

So the our first um our first period uh right after the first our first um involvement right after the first of the year will be at the Gate City Casino.

And this resolution suggests that the proceeds from that go to the Ledge Street Playground, Ledge Street School Playground.

Uh it's a school where they have trouble raising money.

There's no very there's not an effective PTO, and they've been trying to raise money for some years, I think.

And um, the kids there need a playground, and this these would these funds could be used for that purpose, at least that's what the resolution proposes.

There will be another one uh at the Nash Casino, and um the the um Alderwoman uh Clee and I have discussed uh seeking your authority to ri to direct those funds from the Nash to the dental program for kids in the school system that is run now by Myra Nikitas.

Um as we bring this forward, you you'll be able to hear some of the incredible statistics that in terms of the number of kids that she's helped.

But if she can get some more money, then uh she can help other kids with uh dental problems.

And I think it's clear that um solving dental problems early is really important to a child's entire life.

Uh bad teeth, you know, as you get become an adult, uh become an increasingly difficult problem.

Uh but you'll hear more about that later.

Finally, Madam President, I wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving.

Uh I assume people will be with family and friends, and uh it'll be a nice time for uh for everyone and uh so everybody here in the chamber and beyond uh in the in the community.

I I wish them a uh happy Thanksgiving.

Thank you.

Response to the remarks by the Mayor Alderman Moran.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Um I was down over at uh Pine Street on Monday where they're doing the demolition.

Uh Saint Joseph's the nurse that drives the um RV.

She also drives this giant healthcare RV.

She was mentioning that it was uh had some difficulty getting it back into um near hearts and greater national mental health.

Um and I said I would bring it up to you when you brought this up, so I I am here bringing that up to you.

Okay, yeah, I went there, I was out there today, and um yeah, it's a little, you know, with all the demolition equipment and everything, it's a little uh a little um difficult.

So I will um I'll see if there's anything that can be done to make it make their trip possible.

Thank you.

And uh to the Harbor uh care things.

I was actually the junior of the politicians because as these folks were leaving, um, myself and uh Representative Goodlander were taking over um basically, and I was most certainly the junior uh politician there that day, uh today.

Umless I saw uh no I was there earlier.

Everyone else here is more to my senior, so I didn't see anyone else that was too much.

But thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Anyone else?

Alderman Lopez.

I mean I just started mumbling it, so I might as well clarify.

I consider myself the junior because I was only able to come there for half an hour between my appointments, but I did get to push a uh a veteran that I've known in the community for many many years, and that opportunity isn't just oh let's serve to the masses and all that.

For people working in the in the field, it's it's a chance to see people that they haven't worked, they haven't gotten to see for years, and the for people in the community that are displaced or have to move for opportunity.

It's uh it's an opportunity to celebrate the holidays with people that they've known through a struggle for years.

So um it was a great event.

I really appreciate uh Harbor Care putting it on.

Um I wanted to respond to the mayor's comments about Led Street um and thank him for putting that um forward.

Um Michelle Mills, the organizer, um, is not to be ignored.

She's been doing a lot of leadership, um, and she's correct in pointing out that Lead Street serves a lot of underprivileged children and families, um, and it's very much a stabilizing experience for kids that are struggling through a lot of very difficult and complex things.

And it's kind of a debacle that we have not been able to take care of the playground in the manner that it really needs.

Um I appreciate her stepping forward and and leading.

Um earlier this week, uh, as was mentioned regarding the tannery.

Um we got to see the fruits of um Sandy Bellknap's leadership long overdue um paying off as an environmental cleanup began.

Um, and I'm really glad that we're not gonna spend 40 years going back and forth over the Ledge Street Playground, and we can actually just make it a place that's safe for kids.

Thank you.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, madam president.

Um yeah, I got to go to the tannery event as well.

I thought that was excellent.

Uh, it was probably 85 to 100 people there.

Um I thought it was gonna be just a small little groundbreaking, but uh it was it was huge.

And uh from the governor uh down to the rest of us and Sandy got to uh actually be digging the dirt, the not the dirt of the actual site, obviously, but the dirt that was brought in and made the made the papers and all that.

So it was great to see her.

I was hoping that they were gonna bring her up, so it was great that you guys, you the mayor and and the team, uh Director Cummings as well, were able to bring her up there to do that because it was uh I think it meant uh a ton to her, and uh I can't wait to see the fruits of all that over the next you know, four to five to ten years, so very exciting.

Alderman Clee.

Uh thank you.

Um Madam President.

Um I was sad that I had to miss it.

I was out of town um for that, and I agree.

I saw the pictures that Sandy posted, she looked great there.

Um I just want to kind of follow up with what the mayor said about the um the the host cities of the casinos, and I I think Ledge Street um school playground is got to be one of the most important things that we do with that money.

I think that is very important.

Um, but I also want to um put in a plug for the um traveling tooth fairies with uh um uh Myra Nikitas and and her group.

Um I I will say she's my next door neighbor, so but they've only gotten to five schools so far, and they've served over 480 kids.

Um, and they've done like 3200 dental sealants, 270 plus protective restorations, you know.

Um, and and 230 were referred to um uh dental home.

In other words, someone that would help them with that.

She told me a story of um the alternative school at Franklin Street where a student had been had some severe damage to their teeth and was in a lot of pain and didn't have the means to be able to do that.

And through her connections and her working, she was able to get him free care.

Things like this are important in our city, and I don't think that we realize that it's as important.

Dentals is important as health care.

I'd love to see something like this for veterans.

Um, she's already working with the soup kitchen.

So this is so important, and she does phenomenal work.

And she and her partner did this all on their own.

And uh I admire her greatly for it.

So thank you.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes, I was also at the tannery, and uh Sandy sent us all a message.

She was going to try and be here tonight, but can't.

And uh so everyone get an email of the words that her uh pleasure with having this project start after so many years.

Uh unlike many of you, I've been here for the entire history of the tannery, and I can tell you it's long overdue for being cleaned up.

Recognition period.

None.

Reading minutes of previous meetings.

There being no objection, I'll declare the minutes of the special board of alderman meetings of November 15, 2025.

Be accepted, placed on file, the reading suspended.

Communications requiring only procedural actions and written reports from liaison.

Communication has been received from Wayne, our husband, PE Senior Traffic Engineer regarding division of public works support of pending legislation 0-25-070.

Communication has been received from Wayne, our husband, PE Senior Traffic Engineer regarding division of public works support of pending legislation 0-25-081.

In communication has been received from Sam Durfee, AICP planning manager regarding response to questions raised at the November 18th, 2025 Planning and Economic Development Committee meeting regarding O-25-076 accessory dwelling units.

There being no objection, I'll accept the communications in place in Montclow.

Period for public comment relative to items expected to be acted upon this evening.

No one has signed up.

Communications requiring final approval.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award.

Prosecutorial services.

Alderman Govea.

Thank you, Madam President.

I move to accept place on file and approve renewing the multi-year contract with the town of Hollis to engage in providing the services of criminal case prosecutors in the amount not to exceed 219,538.

Funding will be through Department 150 Police Department Fund General Fund 5445 other reimbursements by roll call, please.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, would the clerk call the roll, please?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Greg.

Yes.

Alderman Rand.

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Yes.

Alderman Govea.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Clemens.

Yes.

Alderman Sennett.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebow.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yay, zero nays.

Not motion carries.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award financial advisor services.

Alderman Tibetal.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion to accept and place on file and approve a multi-year contract for the trustee of trust funds for all of the city's banking and brokerage needs for trust funds and capital reserves outlined in the investment management agreements with Cambridge Trust Wealth Management Private Banking in the amount of 15 basis points.

Funding will be through Department 126 Financial Services Fund, Trust Fund, and Capital Reserve Funds by Roll Call Police.

You've heard the motion.

And I think they decided to stay with RBC.

Royal Bank of Canada was their primary.

So what does the all mean?

Is the public works still standalone?

Are this encompassing everybody?

Um I think the way this works is that legally uh this organization is the um manager of the funds.

But uh under the charter, the public works um uh pension board as well as the two cemeteries have the right to direct this person as to how to how to invest the funds.

So um I think what you've done at the pension fund as well as with the libraries the library and and the two the library also and the two pension funds or the two um cemeteries, what they have done is they've retained uh someone to advise them what investments are are most beneficial to them, and then I think this person has to follow their direct directions.

Mayor is because I am on the pension board.

I realize that there was some questions to this.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Further discussion.

Seeing none, would the clerk please call the roll?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes, Alderman Gregg, yes, Alderman Moran.

Yes, Alderman Thibodeau, yes, Alderman Govea, yes, Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Salvin, yes, Alderman Clemens, yes, Alderman Senate, yes, Alderman Jetty, yes, Alderman Tebow, yes, Alderman Clee?

Yes, Alderman Dowd, yes, Alderman Wilshire, yes, 14 yes, zero nays.

That motion carries.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award software subscription benefits administration.

Alderman Gregg.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve a three-year contract with benefit focus.com Inc.

for online benefits, administrative software in the amount not to exceed 150,000 dollars.

Funding will be through Department 113 benefits fund benefits fund 71 equipment by roll call, please.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, would the clerk please call the roll?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Greg.

Yes.

Alderman Moran?

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau?

Yes.

Alderman Govea?

Yes.

Alderman Lopez?

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Clemens.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebow.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yes, 0 nays.

That motion carries.

Petitions.

None.

Nominations, appointments, and elections.

Appointments by the mayor, Airport Authority, David Heath reappointment term to expire August 31st, 2030 for Southgate Drive, National New Hampshire 03062.

There being no objection, I'll accept the appointment as read and refer him to the Personnel Administrative Affairs Committee.

Reports of committees.

None.

Confirmation of Mayor's appointments.

None.

Unfinished business resolutions.

None.

Unfinished business ordinances.

Second reading of O 25-070 authorizing stop signs on Maysfield Road in Dryden Avenue at their intersections with Peel Road.

Alderman Tebow.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of O-25-070 by roll call.

You've heard the motion.

Is there a discussion on that motion?

Alderman Thibault.

Yeah.

Thank you, Madam President.

And I'd like to speak to it.

So yeah, I just wanted to uh it's just a couple of stop signs to slow down speeding on that road.

I've had some residents that are concerned.

Uh people just aren't paying attention to the speed limits, and uh this will help also there's a bus stop there on Maysfield Road that will help slow the traffic down a little bit.

So that's what it is.

Further discussion.

Seeing none with the clerk call the roll, please.

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Gregg.

Yes.

Alderman Moran?

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Yes.

Alderman Govea.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Clemens.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty?

Yes.

Alderman Tebow?

Yes.

Alderman Clee?

Yes.

Alderman Dowd?

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yes, 0 nays.

That motion carries an ordinance 2570 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of O-25-073 amending the land use code regarding approved subdivision exemption.

Alderman Moran.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of 025073 by roll call.

Can I speak to it?

You can.

I spoke to this briefly a little bit a couple meetings ago, but um you see all these that were sponsored by me.

Uh most of them and majority of them are actually all state changes that were mandated to follow.

We have some minor um uh roles to play to change, but not on this one if I recall correctly.

Um this one I think was very straightforward and we have to do what the state says.

Um but any questions welcomed discussion, Alderman Cleek.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I um just backing up with what my um my colleague at large um has said.

Um we discussed this at the planning board, this and a number of the next ones that are coming down are um land use codes that were changed in the state.

Uh the states changed their land use codes and statutes and so on, and uh being a Dillon Rule state as we often talk about, we have no choice.

Um we had a little bit of wiggle room, but not much, and I think any changes that we made for that.

So we have this one daycare, parking, so on.

Um so while the planning board approved it, not everybody was happy.

I can't speak to PEDC, but it's when your feet are held to the fire, you do what you're told further discussion, Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, uh Madam President.

Um we did approve these uh for the most part, but we did end up tabling one of them, so they're not all gonna be on the uh agenda tonight.

And on some of them there are small tweaks, like Alderman Moran said not on this one, but um we should make sure we're looking at the tweaks before we just approving it because of state law because there are some tweaks on some of them.

So thank you.

Further discussion.

Seeing none.

Would the clerk please call the role?

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Greg.

Yes, Alderman Moran.

Yes, Alderman Thibodeau, yes, Alderman Govea, yes, Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Sullivan.

Yes, Alderman Clemens, yes, Alderman Senate, yes.

Aldman Jetty, yes, Alderman Tebow.

Yes, Alderman Clee.

Yes, Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yes zero nays.

That motion carries and ordinance 2573 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of O 25-074, amending the land use code regarding family daycare facilities.

Alderman Moran.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for final passion uh passage of O25074 by roll call.

And I'll briefly speak to it.

Alderman Moran.

Thank you.

This one uh had a little bit extra discussion, especially in regards to who enforces um the rules.

And I believe there's a memo in the packet that well Sam Durfee sent uh a letter, and one thing this answers um in that in one of the responses in that letter.

It answers a question that Alderman Jetty had.

Got it.

I'll get all the words out regarding who enforces um the um basically the the requirements that we would otherwise have done at the city level.

And the answer is the state.

Um they have uh licensing authority over uh the daycare facilities, and they'll be enforcing.

Um and if anything, you know, we get the point to say no, um the state made these changes, they're accepting uh responsibility if you're meeting the requirements of the uh licensing department at um uh DES further discussion.

Seeing none with the clerk please call the roll.

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Gregg.

Yes, Alderman Moran, yes, Alderman Thibodeau, yes, Alderman Govea, yes, Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Sullivan, yes.

Alderman Clemens, yes, Alderman Senate, yes.

Alderman Jetty, yes, Alderman Tebot.

Yes, Alderman Clee.

Yes, Alderman Dowd.

Yes, Alderman Wilshire, yes.

14 yes zero nays.

That motion carries and ordinance 2574 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of O-25-075, amending the land use code regarding on-site parking requirements for residential uses.

Alderman Moran.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I like to move for final passage of O25075 by roll call, and I'll briefly speak to it.

Alderman Moran.

Thank you.

And I may ask on this one have uh director Sullivan assist um because I believe this is the reduction of requirements for parking spaces per dwelling, and I want to be accurate on what it was reduced to.

Um I don't recall off the top of my head or if I'm even correct on this one to one.

Good evening.

Good evening.

Uh Matt Sullivan, community development director.

Uh, addressing Alderman Moran's concern.

Uh, we have several standards throughout the ordinance for residential parking, uh, but predominantly we apply a 1.5 per uh unit ratio.

This will reduce that 1.5 requirement down to one in alignment with state statute.

Yes.

Thank you.

And that's what I thought, and I just did not want to get the numbers right on something like this.

Um I'm sorry, I wanted to get them right.

I didn't want to get them wrong.

Thanks.

Wow, it's all coming out backwards today.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Alderman Clay.

Uh thank you.

Um, Madam President.

There was also another change that had nothing to do with the state.

It was the maximum parking spaces for um number seven dwelling manufactured home on individual owned lot.

Um our original one had said 22 was the maximum, and they realized that that was probably a typo, and it should be two per unit.

So that was and that was not state state mandated, that was just I think uh OFOPA on our on our part, um, a typo.

Um so that has been corrected so that it will read properly further discussion, Alderman Timodeau.

Um, just a clarifying question.

So I know these were um state mandated was it uh mandated to one across the board.

I guess that's over to Director Sullivan again, but except zero Matt Sullivan Community Development Director.

The mandate is that for residential uses the maximum allowable requirement is one space per unit.

Uh so it applies to residential uses more generally thank you.

Further discussion seeing none, would the clerk please call the role?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes, Alderman Greg.

Yes.

Alderman Rams?

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Yes.

Alderman Govea.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Clemens.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebow.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd?

Yes.

Alderman Wolshire.

Yes.

14 Yay Zero Nays.

That motion carries an ordinance 2575 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of O 25-076, amending the land use code by amending the accessory dwelling unit ordinance in definition of dwelling unit accessory.

Alderman Lopez.

Um I'd like to make a motion for a final passage of 07025-076 by roll call and to speak briefly on it.

Alderman Lopez.

So the committee did all the work and I appreciate it.

I wasn't able to make the meeting.

Um, but I've been reaching out to uh Director Sullivan uh on behalf of constituents that were interested in not only uh the accessory dwelling unit, but they were looking for something they could do to add to our housing capacity.

Um and this is something that's been explored for a couple of years now.

Um I think even as far back as uh when James Veo was working for the city uh as a way that we could find alternative housing capacity in the city without necessarily having to rely on large-scale developers.

Um so um I would appreciate any support for it um that we can receive and uh looking forward to passage.

Alderman Moran.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I um agree with everything that Alderman Lopez uh did say.

Um highlights uh the way I see it is this gives a lot of opportunities for uh gener people who are doing generational uh living uh in regards to you if you have to move an elderly uh family member into your home, you have an option now to expand.

Um if you're this is Alderman Clee pointed this out, and it just was logical.

I don't understand why I didn't connect the dots, but if you're downsizing, you can move to the ADU and then allow your children to move in.

So it does do a lot for in the the working class uh and middle class households that can uh maneuver the expansion of uh to the uh the ADU unit to support their housing needs, and you can also start to rent out space to remember the days where you could uh rent a room from the lady down the street.

Well, those days might come back and it might help uh reduce the cost of rent overall uh for folks that might not be able to afford a full apartment or condo or anything like that.

There is wiggle room, I I think I'm sure for square footage and what uh it all means.

Uh the square footage in here did get recommended by our consultants um that work with this uh the Department of Development uh community development all the time uh in planning and that their recommendations on these square footages that's where it came from versus the mandatory uh requirements uh set by the state.

We just want a little bit different.

So I think it works uh for us, but there's still our risk.

You will see Airbnb, VRBO, all these um people take advantage of um such gracious uh ADU uh deregulation.

Uh and I can tell you I know I'm I don't know if anyone else has received emails already.

I received one today, my wife received one uh about building an ADU from uh some kind of company.

Uh so someone has a list uh so someone's already working on this and it's they're gonna be either converting it for family for you or there might be people coming in to buy up more houses and building more ADUs, but we don't have ability to regulate that because as Alderman Clee will remind you, we are a Dillon state.

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

I watched the committee meeting uh a couple days ago and it seemed as the conversation was going along, I thought that this might get tabled uh but it didn't, um obviously.

And just watching it, I thought, you know, just just starting from the macro piece of it, uh just the whole local control thing really just didn't sit right with me as far as uh you know we're being told that this is the law now uh across the entire state.

I went online, I looked it up, it was very much a bipartisan bill that passed.

Um and what's interesting is for those Nashuans out there who will not like this, uh they'll they're they're coming to us.

Um and not they won't go to their state rep or their state senator, and they should.

So I'm just whoever is watching tonight, I just want to point that out that this is a state law that we are following in line with.

I do appreciate uh Director Sullivan's uh input on this.

Um I do think that there are small windows that we can um influence going forward.

I was thinking earlier today that maybe I would make a motion to re-refer this to back to uh committee, but I thought on it a lot more.

I had a discussion today, earlier today with Director Sullivan, and we talked mainly about you know, the bigger questions that I had were what could go right with this, what could go wrong with this?

And there were some comments made uh in public comment during during committee that it could change the characteristic of a lot of neighborhoods.

But uh what I learned today was uh before before before this came, if you had an ADU, you had to go either to zoning or to planning, and now that's gone.

So you can just go and you can take out a building uh permit as long as that gets approved, uh then you can just start building.

So one of the one one of the under the things that could go wrong, uh to my colleague's point about generational housing, and yeah, those are things that I think could go right.

What I think could go wrong in all of this is lack of notice from your neighbors.

Um and then all of a sudden there's a backhoe and and a crew of builders that show up and and all of a sudden um there's an ADU there.

And uh and and that could change.

Um I think that there could be some follow-on legislation that I'm gonna take a look at uh in the next term to maybe bolt onto this to see if we could in certain areas make it our own uh to to kind of fall in line with Nashua.

Um but those are those are really the things that I wanted to say about this.

Obviously, I'm gonna support it.

Uh I had a change of heart about re-referring it to committee, but I do think that there is some opportunity here for for us here in Nashua to kind of make this our own.

Alderman Clay.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Um while I agree with all everything that my colleagues have said about the need for ADU, the n need for increased housing and so on.

Um, and again, my next door neighbor has an ADU.

I went to zoning, we were notified.

I went to zoning.

Listen it, and I spoke to them prior to going to zoning and so on.

Um, because good neighbors can do that, but we don't always have good neighbors.

So much to what my colleague from Ward 9 has said, suddenly you've got a backhoe in there and they're building.

The one thing I do like about this is um one of the um piece of information here says the applicant shall make provisions for adequate water supply and sewage disposal for the accessory dwelling unit in accordance with the RSA that it it names.

Um prior to that there was no real mandate.

Obviously, our zoning and so on would say, do you have this adequate and they would work with it?

But it's actually put into the um into this and so on.

The the portion of owner occupied is still part of it but I can tell you and we do have a a uh a new alder woman um who is luckily up in the state house who might be able to speak to this and help us but I know that there is legislation coming in to talk about four ADUs being allowed on properties and so on.

And that scares me because whether we say this cannot change the um complexity or the you know the current neighborhood this will and we all move into a place with thinking okay well that's a small lot it's not going to get any bigger and suddenly there's more people there more cars more everything.

And I can tell you a you were talking about what could negatively happen right now the owner has to occupy it.

I had two ADUs that were sold and when they were sold even though this ADU is in the deed and so on it's in there but no one reads that when they're buying a home it was sold as rental property two rental properties.

Sadly when it was found out that it was not a rental property those people that were living in that other ADU because it was not owner occupied had to find a new place to live and that became an issue.

So this is the problem that I have with ADUs is we don't have the ability to follow through and make sure that it's always owner occupied having said that we have this mandate from the state so everything I say is basically kind of moot I do appreciate my colleague from Ward 9 looking to see if we can tweak some things I'd be happy to work with you on it.

I was up in the State House when the first ADUs were put through and um I was not happy with them then because I didn't think that there was enough in it.

So thank you.

Alderman Teble thank you Madam President I struggled with this one during the committee meeting if Alderman Sullivan had put it to re-refer I would be jumping on that to be honest I I don't I don't love this I don't like how we changed the footage either from from what the mandate said I would have preferred just to keep it at the what it was I guess.

Yeah right I know what it is to tell me I was there I was on the committee.

So I would have preferred it to be that way but I lost my train of thought now so but I but I I think there's a lot of unintended consequences with this I think if you know two people are in an ADU and now they got two cars where they put in those two cars you know I can't get the guy that lives across the street from me to get his car off the road and he has a driveway with no car in the driveway.

So you know now we got people really going to go around and and start determining what you know who's living there what's going on how many cars and the other piece of that too is is they can go to the zoning board if they want it bigger than the 950 980 right they if they want to you know 1300 ADU that still go there whether or not that goes through or not probably not but they there certainly could be some variances there as well this should reduce that and you know whether we put this through or not it's already mandated by the state so you know we could say no to this or refer it the state mandate still is still there so I'm struggling with this I don't even know if I'm gonna say yes to this one just out of spike because I I really don't like it.

Alderman Jetty Thank you so during the uh committee meeting uh I asked you the question about so you know the the uh you know the state um suggested um legislation calls for a maximum of uh an ADU of 950 square feet and uh I asked the question ours is 980 so I asked the question how did you know why why are we doing 980 when it says 950 and and why is there any maximum you know if you have a if you have a you know a a large house and um you know I I thought of the example of uh you know a family that um you know occupied a large house and and the kids have moved on and um you know you have a situation where you know you have a a couple that's you know living there in this in this big house and uh the kids are look are trying to buy something and in today's market it's very difficult and um you know so you know the the um you know so this family invites the kids to come and and occupy this this large house uh with them but but both you know the parents and the children want to make sure that they have their own places and so an ADU would make sense for them but you know why would it be limited to 980 and um at the meeting uh there was we didn't have an answer and uh we since received the memo uh explaining that you know the that the we know we had the option to go higher than 950 so we went to 980 and basically um you know um you know it was it was uh you know that the staff thought 980 was

And uh at the meeting, uh we didn't have an answer, and uh we have since received the memo uh explaining that you know the that uh you know we had the option to go higher than 950.

So we went to 980, and basically uh, you know, you know, it was it was uh you know that the staff thought 980 was a better number.

It sounds like it's you know, forgive me, but it sounds like just pulling that number out of the air.

Um and then they went on to say that there's been uh you know conversations about you know allowing for larger ADUs, and they mentioned you know, one of the prime candidates for an ADU is a two-car garage, and the two-car garage is typically I think twelve hundred square feet.

Um so you know, why are we limiting it to 980?

Um, and some people you know said you know they think that it you know anything beyond the 950 is too big.

Um, some people would say, you know, if you've got you know, and and and this is you know with the condition that you're not expanding the current footprint of the buildings that are there.

So if you're not expanding the current footprint, you know, it's not an insult to the neighborhood.

Um, so why not make it a larger?

So I don't think the questions that we had, you know, were satisfactorily answered.

I think that I don't think we ought to just march through this.

You know, we were told at the committee meeting that there really was not you know that it wasn't necessary to pass this tonight.

You know, we could send it back to committee, we could have further discussions about what is the right number, and you know, have the staff explain to us, you know, what what they're thinking is.

Um the memo kind of leaves that 12,000 out out in the air.

Um, I haven't had a chance to speak to them about it uh before tonight, so I don't know if they're if they're suggesting well, you know, you could change it to 12,000, but I don't want to change it without a full discussion.

Um so I would uh you know you know I I would recommend uh and we were told that it didn't have to be done tonight, it doesn't even have to be done by this board, you know, during the current term.

That the staff we were told at that meeting was okay with moving it to the next board, you know, working on this next year.

So you know, when it's appropriate, I don't want to cut off any debate, but when it's appropriate, you know, I would you know like to make a motion to refer it back to the committee so that we can have a full discussion to answer those questions, and and maybe what we're maybe the 980 is the right number, but I think I think several of us have I know I do have questions about whether it is or not, why why not allow a larger if if the building is big enough and and it's not expanding the footprint, why not allow larger ADUs?

And uh so you know when when people have uh finished discussing this, I'd I'd like to make that motion, but I'll hold it until then.

Thank you.

Aldman Clemens.

Uh thank you.

So just to clarify, um the if you're not the legislation states if you're not expanding the footprint of the house, the ADU can be 1200 square feet, but if you're building something, if you're adding on to the ADU, or if it's going to be literally something that's elsewhere on the property, the ordinance says it's going to be 980 square feet.

So that's the difference there.

And as far as the why we would limit it, my opinion is you know, some of the sentiment that was expressed here this evening was this could change the characters, character of the neighborhood.

While if we put a limit on to the number of square feet that a unit can be, if you want it to be higher than that, you're gonna have to go before the zoning board for a variance.

And when that happens, you have to notice the public, you have to put the sign up in somebody's yard, right?

Um and you have to be able to tell the zoning board why you need that variance, you know, and it in some cases it could the hardship could just be that the uh the way that the house is laid out, it's it's easier to build it that way, and um you know there might not be a hardship and maybe the zoning board would deny it.

I don't know.

But I think if we're concerned about this changing the character of neighborhoods, you'd want to limit that amount of square feet that we would allow so that it triggers something to go before the review boards.

Um I I'm comfortable with passing this this evening.

I think it has the right mechanisms in place to trigger um to trigger these um you know uh safeguards, I guess is what what I would call them, and uh I think we should move forward with it.

Aldman Sullivan, next I didn't want to steal his thunder, but I want to make a motion to re-refer this back to committee.

I think there's a lot of meat left on that bone okay.

Is that are you making that motion now?

Yes.

Okay, motion is to re-refer.

Clerk, please call the roll.

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes, Alderman Greg.

Yes, Alderman Ram.

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau, yes.

Alderman Guerra.

No.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Clemens.

No.

Alderman Senate?

Yes.

Aldman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebow?

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

No.

Alderman Dowd?

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

Eleven Yes, three nays.

And motion to re-refer carries.

Point of order.

Um, through you to corporation council.

Yes.

Um, while this is coming back to committee, which we can make that happen.

But if there's substantial change, would we still need to uh petition uh I mean notice a public hearing?

Yes.

Okay.

And um in addition to that, would the state law still be in effect even though we haven't updated our ordinance?

We ought not to deny any application that comes in after the state law takes effect because our ordinance is contrary to the state law, because if we go to court we'll lose.

So practically on right now the minimum is the state law, uh, and we can tweak it in committee, and if it doesn't get done this month, it can be done at the next board.

Presumably it'd have to be reintroduced.

Of course, yes.

Thank you.

New public hearing and all that.

I don't know if this is helpful or not, but basically what you're dealing with is a state statute that says local zoning ordinances must allow ADUs in every residential district, and they can establish a maximum square footage they can, but it can't be any lower than 950.

Now you may want to get into all kinds of more complications.

So in an RA residential district, which only requires 10,000 square foot lots, you may say, well, if you've already got a primary structure, it may be a you know a two-family home already.

You're going to add another building, maybe you ought to have as low as the state law allows.

But if you're in an R40 zone, maybe you can allow for a bigger one.

Now, all of that is certainly something that you could take up in committee, and seems like that's the direction you're going in.

But I don't think it's a simple change, change the 950 or 980 to 2500.

Um, I think it's more complicated than that given the diversity of neighborhoods you have in Nashville.

So the idea that we're going to go to committee, have a public hearing and finish this by the second board of Alliman meeting in December.

I think would be fairly optimistic.

And that's why I want to call that point of order that there should be no expectation that this may make it back to the full board, but that people know that they can still get an ADU based on state law.

Yes, thank you.

Second reading of O 25-081 authorizing a stop sign on Shadow Brook Drive at its intersection with Spindlewhip.

Alderman Thibault.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of O 24-081 by roll call.

I would like to speak to it.

Alderman Thibault.

Um, yeah, so this was a new development that was put in uh at this intersection, and people just asked me for a stop sign on it.

So I was putting that in further discussion.

Seeing none, would the clerk call the roll, please?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Gregg.

Yes.

Alderman Moran?

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Yes.

Alderman Govea.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Clemens.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebow.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yes, 0 nays.

That motion carries.

And ordinance 2581 is declared duly adopted.

Business unfinished at previous meeting.

None.

New business resolutions.

First reading of R-25-225.

Approving the cost items of a memorandum of agreement between the City of Nashua Board of Public Works and AfSME Council 93 Local 365 regarding wastewater treatment facility hall day coverage and pay.

Additional sponsors, Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Moran, Alderman Gavea, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Clemens, Alderman Senate, Alderman Tebow, Alderman Clee, Alderman Dowd, and myself.

Given its first reading, I'll sign that to the budget review committee and Alderman Gregg.

Sorry.

Thank you.

First reading of R-25-226 relative to the acceptance of 25,000 from the United States Department of Homeland Security in the state of New Hampshire Department of Safety into Fire Department Grant Activity 2025 Homeland Security Grant Program House Matt training.

Additional sponsors, Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Moran.

Alderman Gregg, Alderman Gueva, Alderman Sullivan, Alderman Tebow, Alderman Clee, Alderman Dowd, myself.

Given its first reading, I'll sign that to the Human Affairs Committee.

First reading of R-25-227 relative to the acceptance of 150,800 from the United States Department of Homeland Security in the state of New Hampshire Department of Safety into Fire Department Grant Activity 2025 Homeland Security Grant Program Chemical Analysis Meter.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Moran.

Alderman Gregg, Alderman Govea, Alderman Sullivan.

Alderman Senate, Alderman Tebow, Alderman Clee, Alderman Dowed.

First reading of R-25-228, authorizing the mayor to enter into three vehicle towing services contracts with DNR towing, broadside collision centers, LLC in first priority automotive and towing.

Additional sponsors.

Given its first reading, I'll send that to the finance committee.

First reading of R-25-229 regarding future charitable gaming revenue in the Ledge Street School Playground.

Additional sponsors.

Given its first reading, I'll sign that to the budget review committee.

New business ordinances.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman Moran, Alderman Thibodeau, Alderman Clemens, Alderman Senate, Alderman Clee.

Given its first reading, I'll sign that to the committee on infrastructure.

We have two people who have signed up this evening.

Lori Orlano.

Lori Ordolano, 41 Berkeley Street.

As you all know, I've had a good bit of litigation involved with the city.

And I know the work I've done isn't really appreciated by this board and certainly the city officials and workers themselves.

But the courts have rolled in some new judges, and Nashua has had some change.

And my presence in board meetings has shifted a lot since 2022.

I don't come out often because statements made by Melbourne Moran in 2022 were just really difficult for my husband and I to accept and deal with.

Those are very strong words.

It got kind of set with exhibits and witnesses.

So I decided to go after this information in a right to know petition and in a filing to the attorney discipline office because I felt those statements were statements of perjury.

He claimed he wasn't present for any of the meetings where that language was used, but that members of the city board.

One minute city officials gave him the information and told him that this had happened, either provided him with videos or minutes, whatever.

When I filed right to know is trying to get this information, he burden shifted it to me, which is now a matter of a right to know petition in the court that was heard on a motion to dismiss on the 13th, which I actually think I'm going to survive, and we're going to bring it forward.

Attorney Bolton should not be corporation counsel for this city.

Just because number 67 doesn't mean you get to commit perjury and you get to call me out in all those ways.

Telling people to F off or sh heads or assholes or the C word.

It's just not right.

And I'm going to be coming out to speak to this because the three minutes is too short.

You're going to be hearing a lot more on that deposition minutes I gave you.

Next speaker is Bob Keating.

My name is Bob Keating, five Coburn Woods Drive.

And the reason I'm speaking tonight is continuing discussion about uh homelessness in our community, which has been certainly highlighted by the largest encampment that we've had in our in our community, I think, and certainly in a recent history.

That uh it's both a uh goal and a vision about uh what to do, and I want to highlight since we've uh last met a number of things uh good and uh not good uh in our community and uh um the nation at large regards to that.

Uh good.

Uh the mayor has spoken about this, and uh Alderman uh Moran and uh Alderman uh Lopez uh wonderful uh event of caring uh at the Harbor Care and there will be multiple other Thanksgiving meals that will occur in this nearity.

So the outreach of uh of caring is is certainly uh uh there.

Uh bad, uh the recent delays and uh the SNAP uh you know funding and the looming larger uh cuts in SNAP in in the future uh while the numbers are going up in terms of food pantry uh uh use uh throughout the all throughout the nation.

Um bad um and also that we had a death last week at at the encampment.

Uh I didn't know the person very well, but I do have itched in my mind about a week before he died.

This playful wrestling uh make sure he's a shorter man and uh in his uh 70s, uh I believe uh play wrestling with the guy that weighed about a hundred pounds more than who was uh who was a veteran, and it was just a great uh you know exchange and and and died.

That was our second uh death in in uh one minute month of uh of November.

Um earlier fortunately died um with his uh family, um, but he had been homeless uh you know much of the time.

So in the remaining moments, I just want to highlight that uh you know, next steps what to do with this.

We can't do it all at the same point.

But uh the uh police commissioner uh Mr.

Tollner has spoken to me and uh I spoke to the mayor about it, who he had been in communication with them and asking for uh um a consideration to uh the police are okay with this, they're ending the $30,000 for the special detail uh for uh downtown uh patrols and put this to uh um ending homeless infinites, particularly along the uh more permanent uh uh way.

So end that 30,000 and turn it to uh other ways that we can make a difference to people's lives and in uh housing them.

So thank you for the time and and uh happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

Remarks by members of the board.

I'm gonna start over here tonight.

Alderman Dow.

Yeah, just very quickly want to assure everybody happy Thanksgiving, enjoy your time with your family and uh don't eat too much.

Alderman Clay, I want to wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving and please eat too much.

Thank you.

Alderman Thibault.

Thank you, ma'am president.

Um couple things.

So one, uh it's hard to take the first citizen seriously when I'm in an ethics committee meeting with her next week and she's attacking me.

So uh my you know my uh integrity is brought on the line as well.

So um, you know, I would I would say stop throwing rocks, we stop throwing rocks, and everybody just goes their their separate ways.

It's okay to disagree.

But unfortunately I'll be there, so if anybody wants to attend December 4th, Thursday night, um, I will be there.

Uh so this whole casino thing that's on here, I I find interesting.

Um I think and maybe you know, how do how are we picking these projects?

And maybe if we're gonna get these every twice a year, every year, maybe we should have a running list of projects and kind of prioritize what would be picked first by if we get casino money instead of just you know trying to go to the mayor and trying to get a uh a project in.

Maybe we should have some kind of list and because I'm sure everybody in every ward has something or some project, not necessarily an award, but something that they would like to do.

And the both things that we've talked about tonight are worthy.

I I support both of those wholeheartedly.

But I also want to think down the road.

What about next year and the year after?

Like, shouldn't we have something, some mechanism other than a random pick of something?

So I think that's something we should look at.

Um I too wish everybody happy Thanksgiving.

I'll be at the Great Gobbler.

Hope to see uh Alderman Sullivan there running again.

Now he's shaking his head.

Um don't worry, I'm not running.

My one of my kids is so but I'll be there.

It's always a good event.

And uh, you know, uh there was a fire recently over off Tyler Street, and it displaced 20, I believe 20 apartments or 20 homes and 30.

Um so I you know I I feel for those people now going through the holidays, and hopefully um they've been able to be placed somewhere, or I don't obviously know much about it, but I'm hoping that during this time they've found somewhere to go and and hopefully uh whatever happened there can be cleared up.

I believe uh what I heard it was arson.

So um hopefully they can rebuild.

So thank you.

Alderman Kenny.

Yeah so I think that uh what Alderman Thibault said has a lot of merit.

Um I think that um excuse me.

Sorry.

Um, I think that uh you know it happens you know the the same thing happens with the surplus money at the end of the year.

You know, during the budget season, you know, we have you know, we we we question people, we we analyze the budgets, you know, very carefully.

We make very tough decisions about how we're going to spend money, and uh and then you know, after we've passed the budget, and then you know, when we find out what the surplus is, all of a sudden all of these pet projects that that didn't make it during the budget season, you know, rise and uh and they get passed, you know.

I think uh you know, with uh you know not as much uh study, and I I think that's you know that's not the way it should happen.

And I think you know, I'm thinking about these, you know, casinos um who are you know operating you know in our city, you know, we we incur expenses because of their existence.

Um they do pay you know property taxes, so we we do get that from them.

But when you look at the amount of money that they make, uh you know, we're we as a city are not getting you know a big share of that.

You know, our our nonprofits you know are getting, I think it's you know the number was 35 percent.

Um but you know, again, those nonprofits are kind of chosen um you know at random, you know, some nonprofits that I've I've never heard of before, you know, are getting these large checks from these casinos, and and I kind of wonder what you know who's making that decision.

Is it just somebody that knows somebody at the casino?

Um and here, you know, there was a a proposal that um you know that the cities that host these casinos, you know, be paid a certain percentage of what the casinos make.

And that was before the legislature.

Um I don't think I don't think it got beyond the committee.

I don't think it's uh I don't think it's going to happen, you know.

But that was uh that's an idea that has a lot of merit, I think.

And in this case, um, you know, you know, this I didn't I didn't know this was going to happen that uh you know that the city was going to get you know, like a like a charity, you know, we uh we get a week the you know we get the 35 percent from the you know that the casino makes in a particular week.

You know, I think that's great, that's a good start, but um, you know, and and you know, the project that was mentioned that that's the subject of this resolution that's coming before us, you know, Ledge Street School, that's where the kids in my ward go.

Um so I'm all for supporting Led Street School, but you know, you know, is there you know w what about the continuum of care?

What what about the Citizens Advisory Committee that you know that advises us about how we you know uh you know is part of the budget, the money that we give the nonprofits.

You know, what what is is have they played any role in this?

You know, what about all the nonprofits that they cut back because of lack of funding?

Or or there just wasn't enough money, so the you know, the nonprofits didn't, you know, a particular nonprofit might not have got anything.

So I I like Alderman Thibault's idea that there ought to be some, you know, we ought to be looking at how we're we're uh you know spending this money, you know, in a in a better way than just some you know somebody that that happens to catch the mayor or or an Alderman's uh attention, you know, the timing is correct and boom, they get the money.

You know, I I think there ought to be some some more planning to that.

Uh so I I wasn't gonna say that, but when I heard what you did, I thought you have a great idea, and I support it.

Um what I wanted to say was, you know, happy Thanksgiving.

Let us all be grateful for everything that we have, and let us be willing to share with those that don't have as much.

So thank you.

Alderman Senate.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Uh I'd like to join my colleagues in wishing everybody a happy Thanksgiving.

It's um certainly one of my favorite holidays in that it's largely focused around food.

Uh apologize to Alderman Dowd and promise Alderman Clee, I will eat too much.

And I'll be happy for it.

Um we'll we'll be having a quiet one this year, unfortunately.

Some uh family issues have arisen that that uh preclude us from being able to enjoy a large gathering.

But those of you who are able to get out and enjoy uh large gatherings with your family, please enjoy them.

Um fortunately nothing tragic has befallen us, but circumstances are what they are.

Um know that many people won't even have the opportunities that I'm having to spend Thanksgiving with my immediate family having a nice humble little meal.

Um some people aren't enjoying anything on that day, and some folks be missing um missing folks dearly.

This time of year is uh very difficult for um folks dealing with loss, um, maybe absent families, things of that nature.

I was remarking to one of my colleagues that it was a uh difficult week for um educators uh in the city this week.

Uh I'd be remiss to try to name all that I had heard that had passed this week.

The one but one that had stuck out to me was uh Paula Taggart, who was a uh longtime home economics.

I think they could called it family and consumer sciences by the time I left.

Uh educator at Penichuk uh middle school.

And uh Mrs.

Taggart was uh it was a fun class.

It was uh responsible for me learning that I can't sew and I can't cook and uh lessons that I carry with me to this day.

Um I am making the Thanksgiving dinner though.

Uh good luck to everybody.

But um, yes, happy Thanksgiving.

Um but uh like Alderman and Jetty had said, you know, uh those of us who can uh take the opportunity to share what we can and give to those who may not have as much.

Thank you.

Uh thank you, everybody.

I just wanted to uh quickly wish everyone a very happy and uh safe Thanksgiving, enjoy the holiday with um your family and friends, and um, you know, from my family to yours, I hope that it uh is really uh a blessed one.

Thank you.

Alderman Sullivan.

Um happy Thanksgiving, and I'm going to steal the sign on uh the saying that I saw on the sign today on West Hall of Street.

Gratitude is the best attitude.

And I'll leave it there.

Steal the sign.

Never.

Okay.

Aldman Lopez.

Um I just want to start by acknowledging the uh the ceremony and uh recognition of Gloria Timmons.

Um she was an amazing person, and I think that the outpouring um of uh recognition of her life and her legacy was very inspiring.

I wasn't ready, thought I was.

I wasn't ready for the magnitude of that.

She is someone that the city should very much work to recognize um and remember.

Um I wanted to thank uh Oscar Velasquez and the Resurrection Parish uh men's group, um, as well as Soul Sisters.

Uh they pulled together uh Thanksgiving dinner on uh Saturday.

Uh they served people from the encampment, they engaged anybody who's around uh you know at the library, railroad tracks, uh, even 23 Temple Street, and a lot of people came out just to have a meal to have some fellowship.

It was a good opportunity to connect and to um kind of remind people of certain services that were around that might have they might have gotten so overwhelmed with what they were working on, they didn't realize there was extra help available to reconnect with some some familiar faces.

Um and it was all pulled together by people in the community who just wanted to make a difference.

Um Oscar was also able to pull uh an extra 200 turkeys um get donations and and support for them, which Toll Street really needed Toll Street uh mission.

Um they've been struggling with their vehicle.

The timing is everything, and like with the issues with the snap benefits and the rearrangement of the food uh bank's distribution system and the onset of Thanksgiving.

So where's time to lose your transportation for picking up donations and then delivering pop-up pantries?

Um so they were they were worried, and uh Oscar's group and the resurrection parish men's group really really came through.

Um and that that carries me because I don't think as a board we often act quickly enough or rapidly enough.

Um I sponsored the accessory dwelling unit.

I recognize the questions that are being asked.

Um I also appreciate the fact that it was pointed out the accessory dwelling unit can still be applied for.

Um and so we haven't actually held anybody up.

But I think we need to move in a timely manner because what we heard over and over again while we were voting on the encampment ban, is we need to make tangible progress, and we still have our process, and we still decide where we're gonna be urgent and have special meetings and second readings and where we're not.

Um I also think that when we look at community organizing, I am very proud of the organizing that Sandy Belknap did and the effort that she did, the sustained work to advocate for something that was important for her and her community.

Um I'm equally proud of Miss Mills and the work she's been trying to do to advocate for the Ledge Street.

And I'm also aware that as soon as you start to identify a resource for something, other people will show up and want to carve it up or they'll want to rate it or scale it.

And then things like you know uh uh an emergency, a low barrier emergency shelter just may not make the cut.

And then we'll spend the whole year talking about how nothing's come before us without necessarily acknowledging that we're not so eager to recognize leadership when we see it.

And when we see an opportunity to make a difference, we don't always just do it.

So um I appreciate the people in the community that are stepping forward and doing, even if they don't have the full plan together, and if they don't know everything that that is gonna be involved, it takes courage to just step forward and say, I'm here, I'll do what I can.

So I appreciate that.

Um and I'm grateful for that.

Um I do want to remind people that the longest night vigil uh will be December 21st at 6 p.m.

We're planning to have it at City Hall pending.

I have to actually fly to risk and get confirmation of that.

Um but we've had it here traditionally and they've been very supportive of it.

Um so anybody who would like to send names of people that should be remembered, the longest night vigil remembers people who have struggled with homelessness and passed away, and it's an opportunity to commit ourselves to rolling up our sleeves, getting our hands dirty, and working to make sure that that list doesn't keep growing every year.

Thank you.

Alderman Moran.

Um thank you, Madam President.

Um I want to bring up um Thanksgiving, of course.

I want to wish everyone um a happy Thanksgiving and my colleagues as well.

Um I like I said, I got to go down to Pine Street on Monday.

I saw many folks here.

Mr.

Keating, Maya, uh, beat me there.

Um she was on she was there, I think before anyone.

But um I got to um we got to feed um the homeless again with Kendra from Soul Sisters.

She's very popular for doing that kind of stuff, by the way.

Give her a call.

Uh she's very reasonable.

Um and I got to ring my daughters, call them out of school for a civics lesson.

Um, and uh my mother-in-law is in town, so she also helped.

Uh so it's a um it goes back to what Alderman Jetty was saying about being thankful for what you have and also engaging uh what you do have into the community that you can give back.

Um and I know everyone's at a different level who can and cannot.

Um, but I found it important um and humbling for my kids to understand in more detail beyond what they've already known being involved in the work I do just exactly how um human uh the experiences are down there, and to have my kids in winter coats and sweatshirts uh asking to go in the warm car why others don't have that opportunity and to actually have an eight-year-old and ten-year-old talk to you about that uh pride.

Very um heartfelt uh for sure, and to ask questions I think many adults wouldn't ask.

Um, but many of you actually know them and have spoken to my kids, and they will ask you questions uh and point things out that adults uh would be afraid to ask.

But like their dad, they have no filter.

Um so uh I want uh to take time to appreciate that the um the work that's being done amongst all community partners.

The there are less folks there, the tents uh some being left behind, but that comes with uh the attrition of the cold, people are moving.

Uh I know um there was a $500 uh donation of bus tickets to hearts to help people move to find uh treatment programs and other uh options, but uh fundamentally uh where will they go uh and we found out where they are and they're in Hudson.

I won't say where they are because I don't want to, I'm not a rat.

Um you know, I still flash my lights when uh I see a speed stop sometimes.

Well, some people don't, some people do, but um, but they have moved on, uh, but just to another community, uh which I guess is what other communities do to cities like Nashua and Manchester all the time.

So maybe this back and forth between towns and communities might actually eventually change something.

Uh so I'll try to be optimistic.

Uh and then today we did Harbor Care as well.

And I just uh I hope everyone takes the opportunity to be thankful for what they have.

It's um it's that time of year where you think about giving back what you can when and when you can.

Uh last thing, uh I was going to go to Mohawk.

It was on my schedule.

I um was at the United Way uh community connections uh uh Friday morning, also brought my daughter skip school.

Child care is obviously an issue, which the governor AUP brought up at that um presentation, and she was going to the Mohawk, and then I was gonna go, but then I got a call from Adam Sexton uh from WMUR to talk about the national kratom legislation and how um one of the expert doctors on Kratom in the state of New Hampshire is suggesting the same policies that we did here about the 21 plus and other restrictions that we talked about but can't do because we're at Dylan State, Alderman Clee, um should be done at the state level.

Um, and I that was great to have that conversation and have someone like that follow up.

And I've been most recently in contact with Alder Rep Greg regarding um the uh that conversation as well, because it uh hopefully that can be uh Nashville can be another leader in health care again, just like we were with regulation of milk when we first started the city charter.

There's a whole history behind that.

Um, but I hope um we can see some change in the statewide that starts with what we did here on the Kratom.

Thank you.

Alderman Greg.

Uh yes, can you hear me?

Yes.

Okay, great.

Sorry, it's not always a great feed.

Um, I first start wanted to start out.

I would echo pretty much what most of my colleagues have said about uh Thanksgiving and probably eating too much and being concerned for those that don't have enough, but also I wanted to express my sincere gratitude for everyone on the horseshoe, for everyone in the audience, for those that have come, for our first responders, um advocates, you know, teachers, everybody in our community that continues to want the best for Nashua.

We might have different ideas of what that might look like sometimes, but I appreciate the passion and uh just the people of our city.

So um Thanksgiving has always been a time in our family where we stop and think of what we're most thankful for, and I certainly am thankful for that.

I also um, you know, I think a few of my colleagues mentioned the letter that we got from Sandy Bell that and I wanted to read part of it.

I won't read all of it because it's lengthy, and I do hope that she considers she's such a great historian on the Mohawk tannery that she considers maybe publishing it in the inklink or something so that everybody can really um you know glean from this.

But let me read part of this.

And she says this past Friday afternoon marked the end of a nearly three decade journey for me during the groundbreaking activities at the entrance to the Mohawk Tannery site off of Veterans Memorial Parkway.

Many of you know my history as a neighbor to the site with my efforts to keep awareness for the need for cleanup front and center.

But this story is not about me, it's about persistence from members across our community.

She goes on to name many community members, some that are still here, some that have moved, and some that have even passed before this could come to fruition.

She also says finally, many on this, as well as our past boards have been actively engaged to bring this long-awaited project to fruition.

I know that this project is project has been part of most, if not all, of your committees and other boards, including planning and zoning.

Thank you to all of you.

I want to share what I believe to be the moral of this story and experience as this board and the city moves forward.

Please always keep in mind how a public and private partnership with the Nashville community can work together to deliver success.

This board has a lot of big gnarly issues ahead as we look into 2026.

I personally ask that when you might want to throw in the towel because things get too difficult.

Please think about this project.

Yes, it took a long time, some would say too long, but throughout the process, the players all worked in a nonpartisan way, just as we should be doing in the municipal government.

No one person can be the hero, or she said Shiro, um, for the hard things ahead.

Nashua is fortunate to have the resources of over 90,000 residents to help you out.

Some of them are quiet because they believe their voices can't make a difference.

Believe me, we can.

Please encourage your constituents to partner with you when needed and find those people through conversations, not just posts here and there on social media.

Remember that positive things can come from good communications and collaborations.

Again, thank you and happy Thanksgiving to you and our wonderful city.

I can't imagine a better way to end my Thanksgiving remarks.

So thank you all.

Alderman O'Brien.

Thank you, uh, Madam President.

Um I would just like to say that I do thank my colleague from Ward 9 for taking that bill and re-referring it back to committee.

I'll tell you in the state legislature, there's 400 of them.

And I served there for 16 years, and I haven't found a wizard up there yet.

You're taking the example.

Why did these bills come to us?

It's because they're trying to fix places like Bethlehem and Landap and other communities.

We have an established boards, zoning boards and everything else.

Does some of this wasn't really needed?

You know, then I also question I don't know, is it gonna cost us money to implement what this what we voted on tonight?

Because that's a 28A issue.

Where if the requirement, and uh Alderman Clay can agree to this, if they make it a requirement, they're required to pay for it.

So I don't know if it fits within 28A or not.

But it leaves the concern with it.

So I'm glad it's going back to committee.

I would ask that question of the 28a and see if that applies to it or not.

I really don't know not being of that committee.

But we shall see but nothing the state of New Hampshire does.

I mean we have problems with homeless.

But I don't see that coming but we have zoning regulation so I guess we should be very happy what the state has given us but be careful how you vote and that's all I gotta say.

And then also too a little birdie told me somebody here in the chamber today is their birthday and I'm not going to say who it is evidently that person hasn't put it out there.

But I want to be on record of recognizing that person and wishing them a very happy birthday.

And then finally happy Thanksgiving to everybody in the city truly what the O'Brien brothers you know nature didn't kill all of us yet but it's working on it.

But anyways we're cooking about 60 pounds of turkey for the extended O'Brien clan you know they we do believe we were bad at math but we have gone out and multiplied you know so I can't wait and enjoy the cooking and everything else in the serving and seeing the nieces nephews the rookie recruits and the veterans of my family I do enjoy that and uh I can't wait till the serving is done and then I'll pass out watching one of the great football games and that's what I'm famous for.

So everybody in the city happy Thanksgiving.

Thank you Madam President you're welcome I was really impressed with the turnout for the celebration of life for Gloria Timmons she was something and maybe I underestimated her being just a you know an alderman here in the chamber we were friends we went up to breakfast several times um but the celebration of life that they put on for her was incredible and she deserved every minute of it also like to wish everyone a very happy Thanksgiving I have 28 coming to my house so we'll be cooking a lot as well I had to take the week off just to just to cook so happy Thanksgiving to all of you and to everyone in the city committee announcements Alderman O'Brien thank you Madam President I would like to make uh the motion that the November 25th 2025 meeting of the Board of Alderman be adjourned by roll call would the clerk please call the roll alderman O'Brien yes Alderman Greg Yes Alderman no Alderman Thibodeau yes Alderman Gueva yes Alderman Lopez no Alderman Solvan Yes Alderman Clemens Alderman Sennet Yes Alderman Jelly Alderman Tebo yes Alderman Clee Yes Alderman Dowd yes Alderman Wilshire yes 12 years two nays and we are adjourned at 9.04 p.m thanks everyone for I got to go