And we'll go on record.

Good.

And I hope there's a pen in here.

If not, I'll just get out my rigged out one here.

I got one.

Go ahead.

Okay.

This is a meeting of the Personnel Administrative Affairs Committee on Monday, December 1st at 7 p.m.

in the Aldermanic Chamber.

This meeting was duly noticed in two places, including the city's website in accordance with the requirements of RSA 91A2.

Would the clerk please call the role?

Uh Alderman Senate is here.

Alderman Lopez.

Alderman Jetty.

I'm here.

Alderman at large Clemens, Vice Chair.

Here.

And Alder Woman at Large Kelly Chair.

We have three in attendance.

Also joining us this evening is Mayor Donchus.

All right.

So I know Alder Woman Kelly told me she would be unable to attend uh this evening.

I believe um Alderman Lopez also uh expressed his uh inability to be here as well.

Um so is there anyone in the public that wishes to address the committee?

I don't see anyone.

So we will jump right into interviews and Mayor, if you'd like to come forward.

Uh first up we have Susan MacNamy.

New appointment, term to expire.

November 25, 2028, 94 Concord Street, Nashville, New Hampshire.

Okay.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Mayor.

Um well, Mr.

Chair, I'm here to nominate uh Sue McNamy for the office of uh Greeley Park Advisory Committee.

Um Sue uh Ms.

McNamy is a has been a um nurse practitioner in Nashville for a long, long time.

Many of her clients or patients have uh and their children have visited Greeley Park probably thousands of times because she's treated a lot of people.

Uh she lives near the park, next to the park, uh has been you know a strong park advocate and uh it for many years and I know from talking with her over a long period of time, she's values Greeley Park very much, um sees it as a major asset for the community.

Um and we are assembling the Greeley Park Advisory Committee for the first time.

This will be uh the I think the required seventh uh appointment.

And um therefore um I think I know that Ms.

McNamy will be a you know great addition and uh will contribute much to the uh just maintaining Greeley Park as the gem of the city that it is.

So uh with that I will turn it over to Ms.

McNamy and ask her if she'd like to add anything about herself or regarding her interest in being on the advisory committee.

Great.

Thank you, Jim.

Um I've lived in Nashua for most of my adult life and um have enjoyed the park and for several decades now I've lived next to Greeley Park, have um enjoyed my tenure here um and uh I've used the park with my kids and um I really think it's a shining light of Nashua.

So um I would love to be involved in helping to move things forward and just take care of the park and enjoy the beauty and the um availability to our um our Nashua folks to enjoy it.

Great, great.

Well thank you, and thank you for uh for your willingness to serve.

I'm gonna open it up to the committee if there's anyone with any questions.

Uh Alderman Jetty.

Yeah, I just want to Hi Sue and just thank you for stepping forward and I I know you're gonna keep an eye on the park because it's right out your window.

Can't help it.

So thank you for uh for uh your willingness to serve and uh I look forward to supporting you.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Any anyone else?

I I will just say also thank you for uh your willingness to serve.

Um the only question I have is what's your favorite part of Greeley Park.

Um well I like all of it, but um I really enjoy walking um from the where the the um slides and swings are and going through there to the other side of Greeley Park.

Only in the daytime, but um but I I I love it and I um have started to poke around in the gardens a little bit and I think that's a wonderful thing too.

I I don't have time to do that, even if I could get on that list, but someday I might.

And um, you know, I come from a family of gardeners and my dad was a forest ranger, and so managing you know trees and taking care of things were with a big thing in my world growing up.

Great, great.

Well, thank you very much.

Um I guess there's we don't really have much else or yeah, I'll do a follow-up on that just uh out of a point of curiosity because the the trail that you had mentioned um that you like walking there from the playground area over towards Manchester Street.

Um I I know in recent years that area has um abutted a lot of development.

Uh do you do you still find that walking path pleasant even given the development that's gone on over the last couple of years?

Um not as much.

I think it's it's sad that that is occurring.

No, and and I only ask that because I mean I I think at least for myself, I grew up down the road from the park as well in the opposite direction.

And um what I'd be looking for out of a Greeley Park Advisory Committee would be I think the the type of person that I get the sense you would be, which is a steward of protecting the park as we know it because that was a that was a big concern of mine a couple years ago, just as a private resident again who grew up down the road, and you know, to have been in that park since and to have seen what that's become like you say it is very sad, and you know, I I hope that you know, with this committee and with the work of all of us collectively in this room, we can prevent future instances of that, hopefully.

So I look forward to supporting your uh nomination.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

All right.

Well, we will um take up your appointment in just uh couple of minutes.

So thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

All right.

Uh Mr.

Clerk, do I have a motion?

Oh, you don't want to go through all the other stuff?

You don't want to say the thing.

We have no applications to license hawkers, peddlers, itinerant vendors license.

All right.

All right.

I will make a motion to recommend the following new appointment to the Greeley Park Advisory Committee.

Susan McNamee with a term to expire November 25th, 2028.

To recommend the following reappointment to the Mine Falls Park Advisory Committee.

Laura Santor with a term to expire November 1st, 2028, and to recommend the following reappointment to the airport authority, David Heath with a term to expire August 31st, 2030.

All right, you've all heard the motion.

Any discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, and that motion carries.

All right.

New business resolutions?

None.

New business ordinances.

Uh we have in front of us O 25082 regarding proposals for the development of city-owned real property.

I will make a motion to recommend final passage.

Okay.

Um the motion is you're welcome.

Thank you.

All right.

The motion is for to recommend final passage of 02582.

Is there any discussion on that motion?

Alderman.

So I'm probably the least of the three endorsers qualified to speak on this, but um nevertheless, I'll take my best stab at it.

Um I I spoke to Alderman Moran earlier today in regard to this.

Um unfortunately he's not able to be here.

He's out of state.

Um ultimately what he's looking to do is to add a step to the um the process when we um are considering proposals for the development of city property um when that development would be for housing.

Um the the best example would be currently the the competing proposals for um the Elm Street property.

Um what we are looking to do here is to um forward those to the Board of Health for a recommendation as to whether or not they um they satisfy the four pillars of uh housing um model, which I do have in front of me because I knew that it would come up.

Um the four pillars of housing and associations with house health incomes is a um is a model that considers cost conditions consistency and context, um also referred to as the four C's of healthy housing.

not they um they satisfy the four pillars of uh housing um model which I do have in front of me because I knew that it would come up um uh the four pillars of housing in associations with how health incomes is a um is a model that considers cost conditions consistency in context um also referred to as the four C's of healthy housing that is about the extent that I could um really speak on it but I'll um defer to the committee okay further discussion Alderman Jetty um so thank you uh so I I have several questions um I know there's nobody here to ask the questions of uh but you know just just to uh you know publicize uh or um you know my concerns um you know the the proposed ordinance is uh you know is stuck on to um section five-eight two uh of the uh the national ordinances and it's um you know it refers to uh you know purchasing and it it it gives direction to the purchasing manager um and I'm not sure I don't you know I'm not sure I understand why it's stuck where it is um the uh you know the rest of uh section you know eighty two talks about um I know why okay about uh you know uh purchase since paragraph A purchase should should be made on the basis of evaluation of competitive proposals and and B talks about after evaluation of competitive proposals purchase requirements and um you know in this this uh what you know uh with the intention of this ordinance I think is that not when we're purchasing something but when we're you know selling you know like city owned property that's being sold and um you know if the purpose of selling it is is going to uh envision you know the housing uh you know then the intention of the ordinance is that that housing you know that the proposals uh should be referred to the board of health to get the board of health's input about um you know health equity um and the you know the these four pillars uh of housing model is not defined in this ordinance and you know when I looked to try to find out what it was I found uh a um you know an article in the uh social the journal well it doesn't it just says social science and medicine it's a it's a uh a journal for um you know public health and um and the authors of that article talk about these four pillars you know but um but I you know I think you know the ordinance itself doesn't doesn't refer to that article uh and there's no definition of what what these um you know the article you know as Alderman Senate pointed out the article talks about the four pillars being cost housing affordability uh conditions the how the quality of the housing consistency residential stability and context neighborhood opportunity and this is all related to the uh you know how the authors uh talk about how uh you know housing condition these four pillars you know that housing has an effect on the health of people you know where people live the conditions of the housing the you know the neighborhood the type of neighborhood uh you know that all affects their health and that's that's what the article talks about and how these four pillars that they talk about has you know has you know a determination on health equity and you know people that live in poor neighborhoods have lower quality of health than people who live in better neighborhoods so you know it's a that's the concept of the article I understand you know what the sponsors of the ordinance are trying to accomplish um but I'm uncomfortable with the wording of this ordinance and it's in its placement in the uh in the in the regular ordinances so I'm I'm not ready to support this and I think it's unfortunate you know you know it's the end of the year so you know it's it's you know we're probably not gonna have another meeting um but you know be that as it may this is something for the new board I think to

about and how these four pillars that they talk about has you know has you know a determination on health equity and you know people that live in poor neighborhoods have lower quality of health than people who live in better neighborhoods so you know it's a that's the concept of the article I understand you know what the sponsors of the ordinance are trying to accomplish um but I'm uncomfortable with the wording of this ordinance and it's and its placement in the uh in the in the regular ordinances so I'm I'm not ready to support this and I think it's unfortunate you know you know it's the end of the year so you know it's it's you know we're probably not gonna have another meeting um but you know be that as it may this is something for the new board I think to to take up and and uh I I'm in support of the concept I just don't think I can't support the ordinance as it is currently written so um thank you for your for your comments I I um I as I was reading this I I think I understand why it's in the procurement uh section and that's because it's a compet it would be a competitive bid right so and in order for that to be a transparent process you know this it would have to show up as okay if you're the city's putting up for sale this pro you know X property whatever um and we're soliciting bids out for housing on there this has to be a part of the that solicitation so in other words you have section A of section B but also buyer beware this is going to the board of health for an advisory opinion in addition to all of the other um you know obstacles that that it has to go through in order to meet the um the city's guidelines so I think that's probably why it was put where it was put um but having said that I I agree with you um Alderman Jetty I I think that the intention here is is probably very good um but it needs we need to define what those pillars of health and then the other question I had and maybe Alderman Center maybe you know or Alderman Jetty do you was this ordinance itself referred to the board of health for their opinion on it?

I don't believe that it was just thinking back to the first reading I could I could double check that just to be certain but okay I don't believe that it was okay because that that's the other thing right if we're going to involve another board where they have to weigh in on something we want them to weigh in on it right we should be soliciting their opinion as well as to a is the ordinance written to the way you would want it you know to the to the way they understand it and B again it's lacking what those pillars are for them to even comment on what our intentions are here.

So I I think the idea has merit I think um it's something that if you know one of the the sponsors want to bring it forward next term it's something that you know could be maybe better crafted and discussed we could have the board of health themselves weigh in on it and you know from there hopefully craft a policy that actually you know achieves the goal that that we want but I think the instance of this right now I don't think it's ready to to go and that's that's my opinion of it any um any further discussion Alderman Senate just out of respect to the primary sponsor I I know that there's two ways that we could go on this um we could table it here and just due to time constraints it will go by the wayside at the end of the term um if we wanted to offer him a Hail Mary to make those amendments and to try to push it past the finish line prior to the um the end of the term we could uh entertain a motion to um to send it to the full board with no recommendation from the committee so Mr Chairman yes Alderman uh jetty so I I um you know I appreciate I appreciate the uh the desire of the sponsor to uh you know to try to hold I you know unfortunately it's unfortunate that he's not able to be here um you know I but you know we we can't help that it's it's the end of the year

So I I um you know I appreciate you know I I appreciate the uh the desire of the sponsor to uh you know to try to I you know unfortunately it's unfortunate that he's not able to be here um you know I but you know we we can't help that it's it's the end of the year it's um you know uh I I would I would be on I would not be in favor of you know recommending uh sending it on to the full board without a recommendation because the full board expects us to you know vet these uh ordinances and you know I don't you know I I suppose you know if we tabled it um you know I suppose uh you know if the sponsor is able to uh you know get get a committee hearing before uh meeting before the next before the last board of Alderman meeting and uh and provide the answers that we're looking for and have the board of health um you know uh review it and make a recommendation or at least have somebody from the board of health here to talk about uh about it um you know I guess that's the hail marry that that I would be willing to afford him but to uh to send this on to the board and and then have you know the board look at us and say well you know you're the committee you're supposed to do the committee's work and you haven't done it what are we supposed to do you know yeah so Alderman Tenet yeah I I just wanted to um point out that it it's certainly not my hill to die on um I I really don't have a preference either way um my um myself and at least one other sponsor on this will be back for the next term so worst case scenario I think we could workshop this the the homework that we have is pretty simple I think to make this ready for prime time so if that's what it takes I'm willing to do that you know yeah and and you know if I if I could I I think the you know I I don't mind moving it forward to the full board with a recommendation of indefinitely postponing it that will afford the Alderman the opportunity if he wanted to to try to table it at the full board get the answers come back to the second board meeting with those answers if he wanted to uh if the full board was agreeable to it um I think tabling it here sends the wrong message um because I do believe um that it you know I I don't want to speak for Alderman Jetty but two I think two of us here are leaning one one way um and we should probably tell the rest of the board that that's that's how we uh we feel um so with that said I'm gonna ask if there's another motion or you know Alderman Senate um motion to recommend indefinite postponement okay the motion is to recommend indefinite postponement any discussion on that motion seeing none all those in favor say aye aye opposed and that motion carries uh tabled in committee do you want to do anything with any of those we have the non-binding ballot referendum which I believe that that ship has sailed yep and then the foreign ownership of property which again the main sponsor is not here these two I am okay with letting them die in committee but I'm open to hearing suggestions I agree.

Yeah I'm fine with that okay uh so we will move on then to public comment there's nobody here uh and finally general discussion general discussion alderman say more of a remark but okay about a quarter of the way into the meeting my phone blew up so just in case anybody's watching at home wondering and not getting it from any of the other sources schools canceled tomorrow have fun kids all right awesome um all right do I have a motion alderman jetty motion to adjourn motion is to adjourn all those in favor say aye aye aye opposed and we are adjourned at 725 p.m

Awesome.

Um All right, do I have a motion?

All in Jenny.

Motion to adjourn.

Motion is to adjourn.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

And we are adjourned at seven twenty five P.

M.D.