On Tuesday, December ninth, twenty twenty-five at seven forty two p.m.

in the Aldermanic Chamber, which has been duly noticed in two places, including the city's website in accordance with the requirements of ninety one A.

The prayer will be offered by City Clerk Dan Healy and all the men Moran will lead us in the pledge to the flag.

So help us God, amen.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands.

One nation under God individual with liberty and justice for all the questions.

Alderman O'Brien.

Present.

Alderman Greg.

Here.

Alderman Rand.

Here.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Here.

Alderman Goveo.

Here.

Alderman Lopez.

Here.

Alderman Sullivan.

Here.

Here.

Alwyn Jetty.

Here.

Baldwin Tebow.

Here.

Alderman Clee.

Here.

Alderman Dowd.

President.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Here.

Alwyn Wilshire.

Here.

14 President 100.

And Alderman Clemens had a work commitment, so he will not be here this evening.

Also joining us is Mayor Jim Donchess and Corporation Counsel Steve Bolton.

Mayor, did you wish to address the board this evening?

Yes, Madam President.

First, I wanted to address the very major fire which occurred on Ash and Vine Streets last week.

This is the biggest fire that we've had in a long, long time.

The fire department, of course, responded with full force.

Fire had started about 7 a.m.

and they had it under control within an hour or two.

But it totally burned out one building, and I guess really burned out two buildings, one on ash, one on vine.

Firefighters uh did a great job.

They were assisted by many departments from around the area, uh Lowell, Manchester, Hudson, Merrimack, Hollis, Pelham, you know, just everywhere.

Um, and um also our public health department and emergency management did a great job in assisting the 30 people or so who were uh who lost their homes as a result of the fire to uh find a different place to go.

And public works also helped out in clearing out the area because there was a lot of water and uh many of the drains had been clogged with snow and things uh or other debris, and they uh responded and helped um helped uh make sure that uh everything got cleaned out.

The fortunate thing was that uh no one was killed in the fire, and one firefighter received minor injuries, but uh otherwise the firefighters uh were injury free, so um just a great job by everyone in a very hazardous and very serious uh situation.

Uh and we want to thank our public employees for this and for everything else that he does.

I wanted to also thank uh Lisa O'Mara for uh doing uh the presentation today and for the stroll.

Um she's new on the job, of course, as you just heard.

Her enthusiasm for Nashua's downtown is really infectious, and I think uh she's really added a lot to great what was called Great American Downtown, now called down Nashua Downtown Association.

Uh and the stroll itself, I know some of you were there, was as she described it, I thought uh quite good.

The uh path of the stroll had been altered in in order to save uh to make sure to to reduce the number of police officers by eight who needed to be called out, uh ordered to come in and uh be present.

Uh and of course, we were able to use the riverfront uh in the way she described the the new pavilion and stage.

Uh and I too received a lot of positive comments about the um uh the new location and about just the park in general.

Uh so I think it was a good time, and I uh hopefully next year we can even do better.

But it it was um really a uh an exceptional event, I think.

Um Madam President, I did want to mention, and I was asked to do this by Spectacle Management and by the uh Nashua Center for the Arts.

Uh they are holding a uh festival, like a La Sensei Festival, on January 17th.

And this is a festival that is originated in Puerto Rico and unofficially marks the end of the holiday season.

It is apparently spread from Puerto Rico to other nearby locations, you know, Texas, Florida, and the like.

This will be the first time that it's been celebrated in the Northeast.

So Spectacle Management, of course, and Peter Lally, who who run the center, are partnering with Jasmine Torres to put on this uh festival, uh, which will feature live music, Latin cuisine, uh a lot of art, and the 12-piece salsa band El Grupo Chivade will headline the evening.

Uh and uh there will be local musicians as well.

So uh they're very excited about the event.

It does, it will have an admission price of $25.

Uh tickets went on sale on uh the 5th last Friday.

Uh I think that'll be an interesting first for um for the City of Nashua.

Um I did want to address a couple of the a few of the items that were on the agenda tonight, Madam President.

Um the emergency purchase order uh which is on the agenda um doesn't really have to be voted on, but we put it on there that way anyway.

Um I want to make it clear, because there's been a kind of a misunderstanding.

The the project is under budget.

The budget is 21 million dollars, and right now 1,080,000 less than that budget has been spent.

And we estimate that another 900,000 will be required to finish the work, but in the end, the project will come in at less than the budget and is currently uh far less than the budgeted amount.

So uh that I think is a um misunderstanding.

Um there are two different budgets.

There's the operating budget and the capital budget, and there's been some confusion between them.

Uh also um the just so we discussed this at some length at the finance committee.

So Ms.

Hannem, the director of economic development, was attempting to negotiate and and Dan Dan um uh the city engineer were trying to negotiate with uh the landscaper Moran for a they were doing great work, but there was a final um uh purchase order, final amount of work that needed to be done.

And um Ms.

Hannum went to the infrastructure committee and explained this in August that there would be a final purchase order.

And in the end, um uh Norrens wanted uh uh 310,000.

They continued to negotiate, they negotiated uh extended the negotiations to get the price down, which as I sit in the aldermanic chamber and finance, usually the aldermen applaud that uh to get the price down.

It took a few weeks uh to get a lower price, but they negotiated the price from 310 to 268.

But those negotiations were not concluded till the 19th of November, six days or six days before six days before the stroll.

And the effort was to get the thing done so that we could have the stroll.

Without that final work, final landscaping and the soding and everything, how you couldn't really hold it there.

Uh and Ms.

Hannum didn't even see the the final purchase, the purchase order which had been signed by the Sydney engineer until after the finance meeting.

So it didn't get to the finance committee.

But the choices were either just pay the pay the um pay the 310, forget the savings, or cancel the stroll, or do what we did.

So I think we um did the only the only um the only uh practical approach, which we went ahead and I signed this purchase order.

Um there has been a comment that the budget should be more clearly um explained on the website.

I think that's a legitimate point, which we will try to do, but uh the project is under budget, way under budget, and uh is overall going very well, I think.

And the end result, I think shows uh how well it's been managed.

Um, Madam President, as a final item, you and I um just discuss the possibility of holding a non public today to um because we'd like to brief the alderman on the lease negotiations concerning the resource center, because I know many people have been asking.

Um it's taking a little longer than we'd like, but uh we can give you the details.

Uh this will be handled by uh I and Steve Bolton, although Celia Leonard has been very involved.

She couldn't make it tonight, but um we are aware of uh we are certainly aware of what progress has been made and where the party what the parties are discussing.

Um so hopefully we can do that tonight and uh you can hear uh where we are with that.

And with that, Madam President, or I will conclude.

Attorney Bowl.

Excuse me, Mr.

May I'll make a small correction.

We are not recommending a non-public session for that discussion.

We are recommending consultation with council following the adjournment of the Board of Alderman's meeting.

Stand corrected on that response to the remarks of the mayor.

I'm gonna start over here.

Alderman Lopez.

Um I was out of the country actually uh on my honeymoon when the buildings uh burned.

Um and it was very distressful.

Um just watching it from a distance and seeing firefighters going in and uh the size and the scope of it as seen by the neighbors.

Um I think I really want to commend National Fire and Rescue for responding so quickly.

I mean, I know they're around the corner, but like they threw everything they could at it.

They they brought in mutual aid, um, and I don't think anybody can can even um consider anything other than that being uh a maximum effort.

And I think that was very much appreciated by the neighbors around that fire.

Um this is something we've been afraid of in the inner city neighborhoods for years.

Whenever people are launching fireworks because they're celebrating something, which are prohibited in the city.

Um whenever we're talking about the unsheltered, I bring up people who stay in abandoned buildings or you know, occupy cellars or something to try to stay warm, we'll try to stay warm, and that's a risk.

And this is what we're talking about.

We're talking about dense neighborhoods of of very old buildings that will very, very rapidly go up.

And that puts our firefighters' lives in dangers that puts uh all of our city staff, you know, in uh crisis mode that puts neighbors, you know, wondering what their what their safety is gonna be like, and now it's displaced families and you know, even injured people.

So it's something we need to be mindful of when we talk about things like how we budget for code enforcement, um, how we support um the Office of Emergency Management and how we coordinate all those resources because you know we we had to call everything into play this time, but we can't keep dodging that bullet.

Um I want to thank the mayor particularly for reaching out to me because um I was in honeymoon, I was in a cruise ship, and uh somehow he got through, like I didn't have cell phone service.

I got a text from the mayor, and I was like, well, all right, then so I purchased the cell phone plan from that point.

But um I want to thank him for that outreach.

Um I did put out um an observation I've had from other crisis incidents, um, which I can't say I'm necessarily qualified to you know override any other opinions on, but I think the city should look at when you have an event happening in a very dense neighborhood and you're going to have resident or neighborhood um observation or participation.

We should try to roll a bus or something up that people can gather in or identify as an incident command center.

Um it was pointed out to me that the Elm Street warming station was available, but the Elm Street warming station is designed for a different purpose.

We know that that those numbers are unpredictable, and that staff could be dealing with anyone from you know 15 to 100 people at any point.

And it's a couple blocks away, and if there's another crisis, and it's not in that immediate neighborhood with that act in that proximity, it would behoove the city to have a couple of identifiable partners that could say, okay, I don't know, we're the PAL center.

We can open and we're on a list of people that are ready to be a community rallying point.

Um so I think it is something that should be looked at.

It's not a criticism because I don't sit in on the emergency management meetings.

I don't know uh all the details that are involved.

But I think it would be good for us to look at if there's a crisis within an area, where is the designated response or rally point?

Same way every family has a if the fire alarm goes off meet over here.

I think it would be helpful.

Um I also just want to briefly comment on I think the leadership and the way that the mayor has very carefully um outreached the community and and made them aware of this, has not only led to a better sense of security in the community that okay, this is being handled, and our city's not holding back anything.

We're we're we're on this.

But it's also galvanized a lot of public support.

People really identified and connected with not only the the families that are being displaced over the the holidays, but a lot of the artists that were you know had studios and the other people that were affected, they're reaching out and they're supporting them.

So I think it's a uh a good example of where the city leads the city's citizens will follow.

So I want to commend the efforts that the mayor uh made to get on the scene to to report directly what was going on and to really make sure people knew how to get involved and what could be done.

Thank you.

Um Madam President.

So um I was wondering, you know, I I texted um Alderman Lopez.

Usually he's texting me like seven, you know, seven times on anything that happens in the hood.

And I hadn't heard anything from there's this big fire.

And now I understand why.

You were on your honeymoon in the road.

So I didn't hardly wrap what I didn't get that till right now.

See how far Placer AI can reach.

Yeah, thank you.

Anyone Alderman Senate?

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I just wanted to um expand upon uh something that Alderman Lopez had brought up in regard to um the the community togetherness in in supporting the folks who have been displaced.

Um he had briefly mentioned the um artists in the neighboring building.

There was a lot of um musical studio space.

And just to localize it a little bit, I want to commend um Eleanor Luna, who operates uh similar space out of um the facilities down the end of Hain Street in uh Crown Hill, who has really opened her doors to those um those musicians who lost everything, not just the space that they rehearse in or record in, but all their equipment and has really kind of rolled out the red carpet for them to afford them space to get back up on their feet because while some of them may be hobbyists who just pursue this as something to enrich their lives.

A lot of people see it as the uh source of their livelihood.

So for them to have a quick turnaround, have a place to go and somebody supporting them like that, I think is um really commendable.

Alderman Clee.

Uh thank you.

Um, Madam President, um, I I too was gonna we're gonna touch upon the um the artist.

I know there were um there are artists that have lost tens of thousands of dollars in equipment.

Um I think one person actually mentioned something in the neighborhood of 70,000 dollars in equipment, and that is their livelihood and not just a hobby.

Um it's so not only you know do there are people that have lost everything.

Uh one person mentioned that they um they had a family, and um as I think they referred to it as it was hell, they just had to gather their family and left everything behind, including their cars, lost their vehicles too.

So um this Christmas spirit, I know there's some GoFundMe um campaigns out there.

Just be careful.

Um make sure that you know who you're donating to.

But I think the ones that I've seen have all been um legitimate and so on.

So I think this time of year it's really important to dig in um and um do what you can, whether it be through adopting a family so that they can have some kind of Christmas and so on.

And and I want to commend the city and I want to mention the mutual aid.

I had always thought mutual aid was just another fire truck showing up, but it's more than that.

Um when our our firefighters are out there fighting something so large, that means other areas of the city are left unprotected, and that's when these cities come in.

Places like Hollis come in and and man phones and do things and and and so on.

So when we look to the communities and we give mutual aid, um it's a variety of different jobs that they're they're taking on, and um we really we I know that we give a lot of mutual aid as well, but um it's always nice to have that there.

And um, if I may, I'd like to kind of elaborate on something that um uh my colleague from Ward 4 had mentioned about um command center and so on.

I I think it would be great, and maybe emergency management already has this, but when there's certain localities um such as what happened over at Sky Meadow, um the uh the hotel there opened up their doors, and that became kind of where where people could go to find their loved ones and so on.

And I think if we had something similar to that throughout the um throughout the city of just place that we can call real quick and say, can people go there to find their loved ones and and so on?

I think that would be a great um a great thing.

And um again, I truly love this city, and when a disaster like this happens, having so many people that have come together, let's just not forget about it when the memory goes away.

So thank you.

Alderman down.

Yeah, just the follow-up from Alderman Klee's comments.

Uh a couple of people ask me what happens when there's a fire and all our trucks are down in one spot.

Well, not only do we have several six or seven other cities and towns cover and actually do the firefighting at the site, but other towns sent trucks to cover our stations.

So if there's a fire, all the stations are covered and have the truck that can respond.

So I know some people are concerned about that.

Well said, okay.

Recognition period.

None reading minutes of previous meetings, done.

Communications require only procedural actions and written reports from the lathons.

Communication has been received from Liz Hanum, Economic Development Director regarding follow-up to clarifying questions regarding the Riverwalk memo to finance committee on 1203 2025.

Communication has been received from Laurie Wilshard, Board of Aldman President regarding inauguration committee.

And communication has been received from Sam Durfee, AICP planning manager regarding findings relative to the request for waiver of impact fees for phase one of the Maynard Homes Redevelopment Project.

There being no objection, I'll accept the communications and place them on file.

Without objection, I will suspend the rules to allow for communication that was received after the agenda was prepared.

Communication has been received from Bobby Bagley, Division of Public Health and Community Services Director regarding requests by budget review committee on proposed cost of operations of the resource of our being no objection.

Period for public comment relative to items expected to be acted upon this evening.

We have seven individuals who have signed up.

The first is Matt Sullivan.

Good evening, board members for the record.

Matt Sullivan, Community Development Director.

I'm here this evening on behalf of R25230 that will arise further on your agenda this evening.

And this is related to the first set of amendments to development agreements associated with the Maynard Homes redevelopment.

And specifically this evening, you'll be asked to consider first and second reading of this piece of legislation.

I wanted to quickly tell you why.

And I know there are two speakers after me this evening that will quickly address uh this matter from their perspective as well.

But as you may recall, just about a month ago, uh this board actually approved R 25197, the development agreements associated with Maynard Homes, uh public-private partnership between the City of Nashua, Tremont Development Partners, and the National Housing and Redevelopment Authority.

You may not recall the specific details of those development agreements, and there are two because there's a 4% tax credit project and a 9% tax credit project.

But there were several terms that sort of form the basis of the quote deal between the City of Nashua and the Housing Authority.

There's uh fee waivers, uh, there's some substantial public improvements related to recreation, and in fact, there was a payment in lieu of taxes agreement uh that was scheduled to extend between uh out until the year 2041.

Ultimately, over the past weeks and really the last month, based on a variety of factors, including uh the closing process, information uh lo information learned from the financing entities, and of course the federal government shutdown.

Working with the housing authority, there were uh some issues identified with the payment in lieu of tax terms that have been agreed to as part of all the parties and that development agreement.

As a result, all the parties huddled together in the interest of getting this project closed this year and the redevelopment of Maynard Homes on Burke Street underway.

And ultimately R25230 was drafted.

And what it really does in simple terms at a very high level is three things.

One, it uh extends the payment in lieu agreement by an additional year out until 2042, prior this uh payment in lieu of tax agreement wet until 2041.

It introduces uh an escalation payment in tax year 2041 that basically provides for additional tax revenue for the city of Nashua as a result of the redevelopment of the property.

And finally, it commences the pilot agreement payments a year earlier.

So again, we're extending the agreement by a year, we're commencing the payments a little bit earlier, and we're adding an additional uh escalation payment into the payment in lieu of tax agreement.

Those are really the three core ideas that are addressed.

Uh, there are a couple other minor changes that were, I don't want to call them scriveners adjustments, but they're not substantive, they have no impact on the relationship between the city and the housing and redevelopment authority.

But those three core principles I wanted to talk about in the context of first and second consideration this evening.

Uh I'm happy to answer any questions when the legislation arises, uh, but I know that Tom Monahan, a board member for the housing authority in Richmond Zaki of Trimount Development Partners are here this evening.

Uh but we're asking for your support on this as a cooperative effort between the city and the housing authority, and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have once this item arises.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Laurie Orlano.

Laurie Ordolano, 41 Berkeley Street.

Um, you have a whole slew of resolutions here that were addressed in a hearing on December 4th.

Um regarding um assigned fund balance.

And I stayed for about half that meeting.

It was quite long.

I was not a proponent of a lot of this except for the resource center.

Um I have a lot of concerns with how we're budgeting, and I learned a lot about assigned fund balance and unassigned fund balance.

I think the city is operating more like a for-profit corporation.

In having these two fund balances, most nonprofits have a single fund balance, in my opinion, that is there to cover the requirements or covenants of a bank to do bonding or obtain loans, and that makes sense.

Because they they uh have obligations to their bank covenances, and then they have the ability to share profits or the owners get profits.

And that comes from this assigned fund balance.

But we do it here in City Hall and in this municipality.

And I I just have fundamentally a problem with that type of money management.

I don't think the budget, you know, we're five, five and a half months past the budget cycle.

I don't think the budget is being done correctly to show us what needs to be spent or where all the fixes are.

The you know, almost million dollar roof repair, not up for three million dollars for a special education trust fund.

Let that come at the end of the year.

I think that's fine.

Also, I have a lot of concerns, as you heard about school buildings.

Um we have far too many open school buildings that are very low on capacity, and it really affects the special education service.

And I think that has to be considered when you're putting aside money, especially to deal with special education.

Um I just heard a lot of things that were not right.

And I want to address the civility of that meeting.

I thought that meeting was so uncivil and hostile to people you don't like.

And you know, I think it's time for the citizens to come out and be equally as uncivil to you.

Because the decorum of this chamber just doesn't exist the way I think it should.

Um I know you expect a lot of your public, but you have to have high expectations for yourself.

And when you put 10 resolutions on into one meeting that constitute eight million dollars of spending, which is roughly two percent of your budget, had it been budgeted, it would have lifted the um you know increase by about two percent.

Now you're just shuffling and pulling it out of fund balance.

Um, you know, I I just feel that uh anyone who comes forward has a right to make the statements they do.

And I notice Alderman Dowd, he did not cut the res people who addressed the resource center off when they went off track.

But man, there was a group of us he could not wait to cut off.

And I hope he does not chair the budget committee or any committee any longer in the city.

It's time for new blood.

Thank you.

Bob Keating.

Hello, my name is uh Bob Keating, five uh Coburn uh Woods Drive and a member of Grand Estate Organizing uh Project.

Uh I want to speak about uh resolution 212 and 213 and uh to lead in some encouraging things.

Uh the warming station has just opened uh lovely, you know, early and last week with the snowstorm and and the and the fire and this you know yesterday below zero uh temperature.

So it's just it's great that's happened, and also better sleeping arrangements too.

So kudos to the public health department uh for that.

Um secondly, encouraging news that heard about the COC, the two million dollars that we get for essentially permanent housing, which means about 65 uh um households in this uh in our in our community and 170,000 people throughout the United States was in great danger uh in terms of the new uh proposed guidelines.

Um and they've they've taken the application down uh just in the last uh day or two.

Uh it's gonna come back, but I think as a result of the the advocacy and uh uh potential lawsuits that was coming up that there even spoke about revisions uh in it.

So it's an encouraging thing.

I mean, it's a long way to go, and it it could still end up in the same place, but it it's good on that way.

Uh the uh resource center uh, you know, itself uh as I spoke in a number of people who spoke at the budget committee that certainly it's a very encouraging uh thing, the concerns we have with the limited uh monies that you know that are available, 300,000 uh when it comes to April 15th, uh our warming station will be closed with our ordinance.

Um you have the number of people being served there will not have a place uh at night.

So I was encouraging and continue to say that about uh maximum flexibility with with that money that would allow um need be to stay at Elm Street.

And I I know there's negotiations for a particular place and have been for a while, but I'm concerned that if we have people during the day, that's that's good.

But if we don't have a place for people to go where we're in a uh not good uh place and finally it's it's the the larger project uh I I don't even know if there's a particular I don't know if there's a title for that, but I I'm calling it the 24-7 center, you know, which would allow for uh um uh 24 hours as it says, it would also uh have the ideas of permanent housing that could potentially be in there.

So um, and that's something I hope that there is uh room to to move along that way and uh that so thank you very much.

Thank you.

Bill Ferrell.

My name is Bill Ferrio.

My home is number 35 Indian Rock Road.

So I wanted to say some stuff about resolution number 216.

Um this seems like a really good thing, and I hope that the people who are recently displaced from the milliard are able to find better homes themselves and their families because of this resolution.

But there's clearly an error in the budget in this resolution.

Um if you remember the other evening at the public hearing, uh the director of public health stood up and she was asked, how'd you come up with 300K?

And she had a very detailed list.

She didn't just make stuff up.

She had a detailed list of the components that went into that budget uh estimate she'd come up with, and she had values for each one of those.

She had stuff like staffing, uh supplies, maintenance on the building, even rent on the building.

And she clearly said 300k for 12 months.

She'd come up with a 12-month estimate to run to open that building and run that building.

But we're six months into the budget season now.

She should get a six-month budget.

If you budget accurately, she should get a six-month budget.

She there's no way she can spend 300K in six months.

So this 300K should be 150K.

So she can adequately run and set up this um resource center for six months.

And then when the next budget season starts, she can come in and say, hey, I need 300k for 12 months, I need 800K for 12 months, whatever it is.

So I mean, we hear the butt the Alderman sometimes talk about how they review the budget line by line, and they scrutinize every line of the budget.

And when uh I know when some of the Alderman were campaigning before the last election, they were asked what their budget stance was going to be.

And they talked about well, we're gonna look at every single dollar we spend and make sure we do it accurately.

So this is kind of a no-brainer to fix this.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Tom Monahan.

Good evening.

Uh Tom Monahan, 28 SWAT Terrors, Nashua.

Uh firstly, quickly want to thank the mayor and everybody in this room and others to get to the point where we are right now.

And here we are asking for a second reading.

Uh, but it's really important.

The timing is critical.

It even goes uh uh tomorrow night is important.

If there's a rate cut tomorrow night, we're gonna we're gonna save some money and and and and spend that money wisely, hopefully.

But I'm here to talk about 25, 230.

Um, and uh it's it's uh uh project I the uh uh it's as a housing authority.

There is some different there are different regulations by which we have to adhere to.

Some are really good, some are very beneficial to the housing authority and to the city.

And thankfully, uh again, once again, the mayor and his staff have kind of stepped forward and and uh Matt Sullivan, Tim Cummings have been and Celia, Steve Bolton, Tim Senett have been very helpful along the way.

But really, um I I just want to say it one thing, and and and I'll sit down.

But we have a waiting list right now for project-based uh section eight housing choice vouchers of 5,302 families.

Public housing, 4,255 families.

Money in mana, 1,361 families.

We're doing a good job, but we have a lot of work to do.

Um good news.

Uh we negotiated with the state with uh New Hampshire housing, and uh we're gonna receive 10 homeless vouch section uh uh vouchers, uh, which uh certainly um is very important.

Which certainly is very important.

We negotiated really hard for that.

And it's again it's it doesn't uh close the deal, but at least maybe it's a it's a start that we can we can continue to uh get the vouchers and and move forward.

But uh beyond that, just thank you very much and hope you uh uh look favorably to the second reading.

Thank you.

Rich Mazaki.

Hi, good evening, board members.

Uh my name is Rich Mazaki with Tremont Development Partners.

Um here to speak about uh 230 as well.

Uh we're the co-developer with Nashua Housing and Redevelopment Authority on the Maynard Homes project.

Um we uh help to develop the project during construction and lease up, and then uh we step out of the the project at that point in its own long term by the National Housing and Redevelopment Authority.

I'd just like to touch on a couple of key points.

Um, the reason why this legislation is in front of you.

One, uh Matt Sullivan touched on it.

The timing is critical uh for us to get the project financing closed uh by the end of the year.

A number of our financing partners have year-end deadlines and made it very clear that um it needed to happen before year end.

Uh that's why we uh we've been having these discussions with Matt and uh Tim and the team uh to try to resolve this.

Um secondly, our construction pricing is locked in, and again, we've been holding on to that with the idea that uh the project gets started uh before the end of the year.

And then just the third point I'd mention is the buildings are empty at this point uh that are part of the phase one project.

The existing residents have been relocated to other homes and the buildings are ready to be uh demolished.

Um second point I'd like to make is just in terms of the amendment to the development agreement and why that's needed.

Um we had um some bumps in the road along the way with uh number one HUD delays and and then a government shutdown uh that put uh the project in uh a holding pattern uh for some approvals from HUD.

Um as a result, project start date was delayed until the end of the year.

We had originally planned to close um at the end of the summer.

So with that shifting out of dates, uh we needed to shift out uh the end of the term of the pilot agreement to satisfy the financing terms, and this all relates back to a lot of the intricacies of the affordable housing program uh that we that we work with.

Um the end at the end of the day, we're delivering 179, we and the housing authority delivering 179 new units uh in place of the the buildings that will be demolished.

Um I'll be available to answer any other qu any questions that might come up uh when the legislation is introduced.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Paula Johnson?

Good evening.

My name is Paula Johnson.

I live at 15 West Pouring Drive.

I was here the other night for the budget um committee meeting, special board of ed board of board of Alderman meeting.

Um how was it feeling good when I came in here?

And I left halfway through when I was even sicker when I left listening to all this money.

Um, first of all, I believe the resource center is needed, and I agree, half the money right now, halfway through the budget.

I think you need to sit down and have a real good conversation on where exactly we're gonna be going with that and how the money is going to be spent and how much money is needed, so it's budgeted.

The second issue I have is that three million dollars that's resting on me that Dr.

Andre is asking for, and so is the Board of Education.

We're in a budget season right now, and I get it with special ed.

I served on that board, I've seen it.

We have the special ed population and the ALL population rising, but our regular education is decreasing.

So that's where we need to really sit down, as Dr.

Andre says a real good conversation about this.

To give three million dollars for the future right now, for the future of what are we going to be giving it for?

Half the money, 1.5 million dollars right now, and right before budget, when the new board comes on, and I'll be more than happy to sit down with the Board of Education.

I've sat with them before, and have this conversation.

Exactly what's going on with special ed.

And yes, we don't know how many students are gonna come in, how many are gonna be out of district placement.

So that's the hard thing to figure out.

But just to say we need three million dollars now for the future, I can't go along with that.

And if I was sitting on that board, I'd be the only one probably voting against it, like if I'm sitting on this board, I'd probably be the only one voting against it also.

Like if I'm sitting on this board, I'd probably be the only one voting against it also.

But we have to sit back and think about it.

How is that money being used?

And three million dollars?

I'm sorry.

Give them what they need right now to get through the rest of this year to the new budget comes out.

We all sit down, the new board has that conversation with the board of ed, Dr.

Andre, and we come up with a game plan with this money.

You know?

This is money after the budget.

If we needed this money so much, this money should have been in the budget.

And Dr.

Andre said he really needed a 9% increase.

Well, if that's what you need, a 9% increase, which I don't know if you're going to be able to get it, but let's be honest about this and put it on the table.

What do you need that money for?

So I hope you're going to consider not the three million dollars, but maybe half of that at this point in time.

Thank you very much.

That concludes public comment.

Communications requiring final approval.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award hydroelectric operation and maintenance agreement.

Alderman Clee.

Thank you, Madam President.

I motion to accept place on file and approve a three-year term extension with Essex Power Services Incorporated to provide operation and maintenance service for the Jackson Mills and Mine Falls Hydroelectric Facilities in the amount not to exceed 755,000 annually.

Funding will be through Department 170 Hydroelectric Operations Fund, General Fund Slash 54-property services.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award energy recovery generator maintenance agreement.

Alderman Gabaya.

Thank you, Madam President.

I move to accept place on file and approve the energy recovery generator three-year maintenance contract with uh Southworth Milton Incorporated.

Any amount not to exceed 338,069.

Funding will be through Department 169.

Wastewater fund, wastewater fund 54 property services.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award fleet tracking software.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve a three-year renewal of fleet tracking software from Fleetio in the amount not to exceed 128,642.

Funding will be through Department 168 Fleet Fund General Fund 7-1 equipment.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding emergency PO requests, Park De La Renaissance, and Bicentennial Park.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve an emergency purchase order with Morans landscaping for improvements to Park de la Renaissance and Bicentennial Park to include lighting and electrical upgrades, irrigation work, bollards, crosswalk improvements or ADA compliance, sod anti-graffiti paint.

Instructioning access to a budding areas in association with the holiday stroll in the amount of 281,888 and 60 cents.

You've heard the motion.

Is there a discussion on that motion?

Alderman Senate.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um this has been spent.

Yes.

I I'm struggling to understand what we're voting on here.

Um, the money has been spent.

I don't know if this is an item that normally is voted on.

I don't know, but somehow it got put on the agenda.

But yes, the money is spent.

Uh the this particular work is done, and you saw the result the other night.

Um maybe through you to corporation counsel if it fails, does anything even happen?

We're not going to get the money back.

Well, no, certainly not.

It sounds like a referendum.

Further discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Nay.

That motion carries.

Communication has been received from Donna Graham, legislative affairs manager regarding 2026 Board of Alderman calendar of committee dates.

Madam President, I'd like to make a motion to approve uh the 2026 Board of Alderman calendar on committee date.

You've heard the motion.

Is there a discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

That motion carries.

Petitions.

None.

Nominations, appointments, and elections.

None.

Reports of committees.

None.

Confirmation of mayor's appointments.

Greeley Park Advisory Committee.

There being no objection, I will confirm the following new appointment to the Greeley Park Advisory Committee.

Susan McNamy, 94 Concord Street, Nashua, with a term to expire November 25th, 2028.

Is Ms.

McNam MacNamy here this evening?

She will be sworn in at a later date.

There being no objection, I'll confirm the following reappointment to the Mine Falls Park Advisory Committee.

Laura Center, 18 Grassmere Lane, Nashua with a term to expire November 1st, 2028.

Is Miss Center here with us this evening?

She will be sworn in at a later date.

Airport Authority.

There being no objection, I'll confirm the following reappointment to the airport authority.

David Heath for Southgate Drive, Nashville with a term to expire August 31st, 2030.

I don't see Mr.

Heath.

He'll be sworn in at a later date.

Unfinished business resolutions.

Second reading of R-25-212 establishing an expendable trust fund for the Nashua Resource Center funded by appropriations.

Alderman Down.

Heard the motion.

Is there a discussion on that motion?

Aldo McKelly.

Thank you.

I just wanted to uh thank everyone for uh their due diligence last week.

I had a personal engagement that when we moved the meeting, I was unable to be there for this meeting.

But I know that the silver lighting and all the things that have happened in the last few months is that this has become a critical piece of what needs to happen in our city.

Um I know that city staff and aldermen as well as public have been asking a lot of questions about this.

So I'm looking forward to making this happen in the city and hope that everyone here will support it.

Alderman Moran.

Um thank you, Madam President.

Of course, I'm gonna support this is a great idea.

Um I'm glad to my colleagues who put this together.

Um the only thing I will add as we go through this one and the next regarding the the national the the resource center.

Umless you want that resourcer resource center to continue to be full and at capacity and uh people um dem in high demand of the services that are rendered there, you have to change the policy of housing in the city.

Uh you have one has to work together with the other, otherwise you have just a resource center and no one still nowhere for anyone to go.

Um so it's not just having it, you have to have policy that says we're gonna house people too.

Um so you can't think this is a magic wand, of course.

I don't think anyone does, but um, in ten years, when uh people are saying, well, they can just go to the housing center.

Well, you can never change your housing policy.

There's nothing at the housing center except for some brochures, because that's what we have right now, with probably every nonprofit just brochures of where to go because there's no housing.

Thanks.

Alderman Lopez.

Um, just because there's a tension to this issue, I want to point out to people who are unsheltered or looking for space.

If you dial 211, that's how you access the coordinated entry system.

So dial 211.

Um to my colleagues, uh, my at large this uh point earlier.

Um, I think she's being gracious when she says it's a silver lining.

Um I just want to point out the trend that this year we are managing to establish a resource center in December, which is not yet established.

We have to have a meeting to discuss the the ins and the outs of it.

I understand that.

Um and I don't have all the information there, so I don't want to be unnecessarily pessimistic about it.

But I do want to point out last year we were trying to do about the same time, the warming station in the its first iteration.

And because of that, we're only able to launch it in January.

We are continually behind the eight ball as a city.

We keep waiting until the cold weather hits and the fall hits to really start taking this issue seriously.

And as much as my board colleague um Alderman Tebow, sorry for mentioning my name, I can't remember your word number.

Um and I disagree in certain areas.

I do agree, not enough was being done throughout the year.

And we know the quiet part here is a resource center is only gonna be as good as the the navigation and emergency response capacity.

If there isn't a place for people to stay at night, then they're gonna have to make their own solutions.

Their own solutions will drive them further and further out into you know remote areas of Nashua, creating more of a public safety risk, creating a difficulty with outreach.

The resource center is a crucial component, and it was part of the presentation that public health did last year.

So was an emergency shelter.

And at public comment was brought up the 24-hour um warming station.

We need emergency shelter capacity.

The city, it's been referenced multiple times that the city has emergency shelters.

It does not.

Nashville Suit Kitchen has an emergency shelter.

So then they have to rescue mission has a mission, but the city does not have the ability to really put their thumb on the scale when we have an when we have a housing crisis full of Nashville people.

We have to lead.

And much like the crisis that we saw uh last week, much like the safe station, where we lead, we can mobilize resources that we can't otherwise pull together because everybody is holding back because everybody is afraid of what the next big decision coming down from Washington is going to be.

So the resource center is essential.

We need that point, but we cannot lose sight at the fact that it's only a stopgap, and we need more seeing none of the motion is for final passage.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

That motion carries, and resolution 25212 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R-25-213, establish an expendable trust fund for the Nashua Resource Center funded by donations.

Alderman Senate.

Thank you, Madam President.

I would like to make a motion for final passage of R 25213.

Motion is for final passage.

For any discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries, and resolution 25213 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R-25-214.

Relative to the supplemental appropriation of $59,499.98 cents of unanticipated revenue from the United States Internal Revenue Service into the Capital Equipment Reserve Fund.

Alderman Dowd.

Pursuant to Charter Section 49.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, would the clerk please call the roll?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Aldwin Gregg.

Yes.

Aldwin Moran.

Yes.

Aldman Thibodeau.

No.

Aldman Govea.

Yes.

Aldman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Aldwin Getty.

Yes.

Aldman Tebow.

Yes.

Aldwin Clee.

Yes.

Aldman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderman Kelly.

Yes.

Almond Wilshire.

Yes.

13 Yay's one nay.

That motion carries, and then resolution 25214 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R25-215 relative to the supplemental appropriation of three million of assigned fund balance into fund 7074 special education expendable trust fund.

Aldman Sullivan.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of R25215 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49.

Could I speak to it, please?

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

Post that meeting, I sought to better understand exactly what was going on from a high level so I could understand it and then explain it to my constituents as to why I will be supporting this tonight.

And that is uh essentially the cost to educate our special needs children here in Nashua.

Um, while the overall uh population student population has dropped, one population that's growing uh is our special needs population.

The costs to uh educate them have grown exponentially.

And the uh so the school district uh for those of you watching at home, um you know, same corporation, different division.

So when you look at uh how monies are are budgeted and allocated and and and such, uh at the end of fiscal year 25, um they they returned four million dollars back to the city, um and those were mainly due to um uh benefits.

Uh so they use some of the monies that they had for salaries to pay the increasing costs of uh the um the special education uh teachers contract services.

Uh we're we're not hiring enough.

Um so this money helps towards that.

We are getting more money from the state, not enough to cover it uh uh for this.

And um, you know, so these are these are costs that are here, and and I'm gonna support it.

And uh, if there's anything that I I got wrong, I did see them in the audience.

So I um I rehearsed this in front of my mirror tonight to make sure I got it right.

But um, I am gonna support this uh tonight, and I appreciate uh the extra communication uh behind this.

Thanks.

Further discussion.

Say none, but the clerk please call the roll.

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Gregg, yes, Aldwin Rand.

Yes, Aldwin Thibodeau, yes, Alden Govea, yes, Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Sullivan, yes.

Alderman Senate, yes, Alderman Jetty, yes, Alderman Tebow, yes, Aldwin Clee.

Yes, Alderman Dowd, yes, Alderwoman Kelly, yes, Alvin Wilshire, yes, 14 yay, zero nays.

That motion carries and resolution 25215 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R25-216 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 300,000 of assigned fund balance into anticipated fund 7090 resource center expendable trust fund.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, uh Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of R 25-216 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49, and I would like to speak to it.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you.

Um I just a couple of things that I want to say about this particular one.

Um first off when we passed the encampment um legislation.

I clearly said, and I I still say to this day that I didn't pass it because that's the only thing we wanted to do.

We wanted to make sure that we didn't stop doing things, and this is another step in that process.

And unfortunately to some people, we can't put it up tomorrow.

But you gotta start somewhere, and this is where we're starting.

And um, I truly look forward to to seeing this come to fruition and to not stop at the resource center.

And I think people think that that's what we're gonna do, and I'm hoping the next board continues to do, and most of us are on this board, continue to do that.

Um I was at the Arlington Community Center last week for uh Ward 7, 8, and 9, and uh of a community outreach uh thing that we were doing, and someone um from Ward 7 had mentioned to me or mentioned to the group oh they're giving us $300,000 for um the resource center.

That's not gonna be enough, and that's all the city's gonna give us.

And I I I corrected her only in the nicest way possible because I wasn't trying to be uh disruptive to the fact that I know Alderman Clemens, Alderman Kelly, and I think maybe Alderman Wilshire are working on something to get more money uh for this, and um hopefully get it to a million if I'm getting that wrong, Alderwoman Kelly or Alderwoman Wilshire, please correct me on that.

So I wanted to tell them that there's more coming.

This is not the end, it's not 300,000, and we're done.

We're gonna continue to work on this problem.

Um the other issue is I heard in the crowd a couple things, right?

Just in general, if we put more money in the budget, taxes were gonna go up higher.

I don't think people want that, right?

So um this is a way to pay for some of this things without the taxes going up, right?

The other piece of it is is uh director bagley can maybe correct this.

You're not just splitting the 300,000 dollars because it's a 12-month period.

Some of that cost is starting up the the resource center, so it's not an easy just cut in half and just say 150 now, 150 later.

You might need more to start it up because there's other costs associated with starting up something like that, right?

It's not just just half.

So I don't agree with that.

Pay half now, pay half later.

The money's not going anywhere, they'll still have that money, and then they can come to us next year and tell us what they need during the budget season.

Um, so I'm all for this, and I hope you guys support it.

Um, and uh as Alderman from Ward 4 said, continue to to do things to support the unsheltered and make sure that we're going in the right direction to make this city as Mr.

Keating always says um to be free of homelessness.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Uh if I if I could ask, I did see Director Bagley in the audience.

Um referring to her communication where she lists out the total expenses.

First of all, thank you very much for the itemized description.

Um total it out to 347, 238, you round up to 350.

Is there anything that is gonna be left kind of on the cutting room floor from the 300,000 that we're appropriating to this?

Because there's a there's there's a gap there of $50,000.

Director Bagley.

Good evening, thank you.

Bobby Bagley, Director for the Division of Public Health and Community Services.

So when the budget is put together, it's an estimate of the cost that's expected.

There are some line items in here where you can see that there's some zero uh for the insurance, there's an estimate of uh maintenance and an estimate of utilities, and so um as it was stated, this could actually be a little bit higher because I don't have those final numbers as of yet.

Um the estimate for the rent or the lease, uh we estimated that estimated that at 90,000.

We still don't know what that number is going to look like.

And so umly when you put a budget together, you put it together based on information that you believe the costs are going to be.

So it's an average, it's an estimate until I get some really final numbers there.

Um so we did round it up to 350 only because of some of those unknowns in there.

Um I don't know what is going to be left over or if there's gonna be some gaps in there without having those final numbers.

So until we get the final information about the lease and then understand better what those utilities are gonna look like.

Um, this is what my approximate guesstimation is of this budget, if that makes sense.

All set, okay.

Further discussion.

Alderman Jetty.

Thank you.

So um through you, could we ask um uh director Bagley to um to respond to you know what Mr.

Ferrio pointed out that this budget is for a year, but you know, he's wondering why we're not just uh do cutting it to 150 because the year is half over.

Could could you respond to that?

Director Bagley I did put this together based on an annual cost so uh could I answer that a little further?

Um there are you know there's startup costs that aren't in there, you know.

So, like we were just talking today, like washer dryer, we need that.

It's not in there.

They're up there, so you know it's good to have enough to make sure we can get the thing going once we lease the space.

Okay, so if I could follow up uh Alderman Jetty.

So my understanding is that this 300,000 is gonna be put into the uh expendable trust fund that we're just we just established.

So whatever money you don't spend this year, this money will stay in that expendable trust fund and be used after the the year is over?

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Okay, I'm sorry, I'm tired.

That's okay.

I bet you've been a long day.

Okay, well, I'm trying to help you out.

I'm trying to see a chance to make your case here.

I appreciate it very much.

Is there anything else you'd like to say about that?

Thank you.

Okay, Alderwoman Kelly.

Uh thank you.

I just wanted to comment on uh the conversation around how much we're putting in here.

Uh Director Bob uh Bagley and I, as well as other aldermen have been talking about this for weeks.

This is a very conservative starting point.

Uh the point of the trust fund is to allow it to continue to grow.

And so there have been discussions about what does that look like in the for and the you know, go forward, but we want to make sure that they can get it established, get it off the ground.

We still don't know location quite yet, so giving them that opportunity to figure it out before we start to figure out exactly how we want to um continue moving forward.

So the work's being done.

This is a great starting point.

Let's get it done.

Alderman Lopez.

I think anybody who's deeply interested in the operations and the uh accountability should get involved, should volunteers, should be participating in the oversight meetings, attend the the public health meetings, um, because if you spot savings, you have a better way to do it.

I'm sure everybody will be on board for it.

But I think making sure there's enough to get it up and going and off the ground um is is very important.

If we want this to be a success, and and we do, because this is a a major investment in public safety and in public health that we need to be addressing.

This and we're behind the eight ball on this.

Everyone at this table has the ability to be monitoring this more closely and coordinating in with the director as this is unfolding.

Further discussion.

Seeing none with the clerk, please call the roll.

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Gregg.

Yes.

Alderman Moran.

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Yes.

Alderman Gobaya.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebot.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yes, 0 nays.

That motion carries and resolution 25216 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R25-217 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 2200 220,000 of assigned fund balance into fund 7080 police overtime expendable trust fund.

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of R 25217 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49.

Could I speak to it briefly?

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you very much.

We learned in the budget committee that this fund that the uh the Nashville PD budgets for every year has been pretty much drained.

Um this kind of uh uh puts money back into the fund.

Couple of reasons for that.

Uh the police are short staffed, they have to pay overtime in order to cover shifts.

Second.

We had a major incident in the city uh back in late September, and many of those on duty or off duty police had to be called back on duty, thus got paid over time and drained this fund, so we need to put some money back into it.

So I would uh appreciate everyone's support on this seeing none with the clerk please call the roll.

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Gregg, yes, Alderman Moran, yes, Alderman Thibodeau, yes, Alderman Govell, yes, Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Sullivan, yes, Alderman Sennet, yes, Alderman Jetty, yes, Alderman Tebow, yes, Alderman Clee, yes, Alderman Dowd, yes, Alderwoman Kelly, yes, Alderman Wilshire, yes, 14 yes, zero nays.

That motion carries and resolution 25217 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R 25-218 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 1.5 million of assigned fund balance into fund 7026 capital equipment reserve fund.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes, like to make a motion for final passage of R 25218 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49.

Like to speak to it briefly.

Alderman Dowd.

The Capital Reserve is not up, does not have enough money in it as it is.

Um this is uh a another way to put some money into it so that we can assure we have enough money to buy the equipment that we're looking at for this coming year.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Alderman Moran.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I'm actually gonna ask to have myself removed as an endorser um after uh due diligence.

I I felt like these should have been included in the budget that was created.

Uh this this uh funding if there's something that needed to be there and served, they could have created in the budget.

Uh so I'm gonna be voting no on this tonight.

Further discussion none, would the clerk call the roll, please?

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Gregg, yes, Alderman Moran.

No, Alderman Thibodeau, no Alderman Gobello, no Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Sullivan, no, Alderman Senate, yes, Alderman Jetty, yes, Alderman Tebot, yes, Aldwin Clee, yes, Alderman Dowd, yes, Alderwoman Kelly, yes, Alderman Wilshire, yes, 10 yes, four nays.

That motion carries and resolution 25218 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R-25-219 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 1.5 million of assigned fund balance into fund 6600 benefits self-insurance fund.

Alderman O'Brien.

Thank you, Madam President.

I move for final passage of R25219 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49.

Further motion, is there discussion on that motion?

Please call the roll.

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Greg.

Yes.

Alderman Moran.

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau?

Yes.

Aldwin Govea.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Aldwin Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Senate.

Yes.

Alderman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tvote.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Yes.

Alderman Wilshire.

Yes.

14 yay, 0 nays.

That motion carries.

And resolution 25219 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R 25-220 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 200,000 of assigned fund balance into Department 194 contingency account 70100 general contingency for the intended purpose of covering expenses to clean up Main Street in the riverfront.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of R-25-220 by roll five pursuant to charter section uh 49, and I'd like to speak to it.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um so in the budget meeting, uh Director Hanneman over this.

This is um in response to uh some of the cleanup that need to be done on Main Street, um kind of like the Manchester as a clean team.

The difference is here that um it's union unionized, so this is extra uh I believe it's overtime to have or additional staff for the public works department to uh help us clean up Main Street in the riverfront area discussion seeing none with the clerk call the roll, please.

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Gregg, yes, Alderman Moran?

No, Alderman Thibodeau, no Alderman Govea, no Aldman Lopez, yes, Alderman Salman, yes Alderman Senate, no Alderman Jetty, yes Alderman Tebow, yes, Alderman Clee, yes Alderman Dowd, yes, Alderwoman Kelly, no Aldman Wilshire, yes nine y's, five nays.

That motion carries and resolution two thirds two.

Oh, it needs two thirds.

I'm sorry.

That motion fails second reading of R-25-222 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 325,000 of assigned fund balance into Department 194 contingency account 7010 general contingency for the intended purpose of covering community development block grant and lead program expenses due to the federal government shutdown Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for indefinite postponement of R 2522 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49.

Is there discussion on that motion seeing none?

Would the clerk call the roll, please?

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Greg, yes, Alderman Moran, yes, Alderman Thivodeau, no Aldman Govea, yes, Alderman Lopez, yes, Alderman Sullivan, yes, Alderman Senate, yes, Alden Jetty, yes, Alderman Tvote, yes, Alderman Clee, yes, Alderman Dowd, yes, Alderwoman Kelly, no Aldman Wilshire, yes, 12 yes, two nays.

That motion carries and resolution 2523 is declared duly adopted.

Madam President, motion was to definitely call correct all right.

I'm sleeping up here.

It's been a long month.

Madam President, I'd like to make a motion.

May I nothing on four to make a motion for um but I can still make one to bring something back.

Reconsider one.

Reconsideration.

Well, no, on a previous, I was to make a motion for um indefinite postponement for uh um for 220 that our that just failed.

Up to you okay, Madam President, like to make a motion uh for indefinite postponement of R 2520.

You've heard the motion for indefinite postponement.

Well, no, on a previous I was to make a motion for um indefinite postponement for uh um for 220 that our that just failed up to you okay Madam President like to make a motion uh for indefinite postponement of R2520 You've heard the motion for indefinite postponement discussion alderman T bowl thank you Madam President Um Yeah I don't know why I would want to want to not do this um and and no I mean I don't want to postpone it I think it should come back at some point um and we can certainly bring it back next year when we have a completely different board um I I don't understand why we wouldn't want to clean up the downtown like Manchester does and other places do I didn't hear one debate about it from anyone that voted no um I'd like uh Director Hannem to come up and explain what this is because maybe people don't understand what it is I think people know what it is Alderman Tebow Well I mean if people weren't here for the last couple weeks they might not have watched the budget meeting the same I believe he knows what it is okay motion before us is for indefinite postponement of R25220 further discussion Alderman Dowd.

Yeah, it's really mute point because in a couple weeks this is gonna disappear and go away.

And even if we do indefinite postpone, I'll go to corporation council.

The next board can bring it up again, can it?

Yes, so it's sort of a mute mute point if the vote goes the same way as it did before, the indefinite postpone motion will not pass.

So I think what happens next year is probably irrelevant for your consideration right now.

Further discussion seeing none, would the clerk please call the roll for indefinite postponement of resolution 25220?

Alderman O'Brien, yes, Alderman Gregg, no Alderman Rand, yes, Alderman Thibodeau, yes, Alderman Govell.

Yes, Alderman Lopez, no Alderman Selvin, no Alderman Senate, yes, Aldwan Jetty, no Alderman Tebot, no Aldman Clee, no Alderman Dowd, no Alderwoman Kelly, yes, Alderman Wilshire, yes, seven yes, seven nays.

Motion fails.

Okay.

Second reading of R-25-223 relative to the supplemental appropriation of $95,784 and four cents of assigned fund balance into grant project activity 1092 fiscal year 2020 lead paint hazard control grant.

Alderman Tebold.

I'd like to make a motion.

Thank you.

Yeah, I got a final passage of R-25-223 by roll call pursuant to charter section 49, and I do not want to speak to it.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion saying none?

Would the clerk call the roll, please?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Gregg.

Yes.

Alderman Moran.

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

No.

Alderman Gobello.

Yes.

Alderman Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Aldman Sennett.

Yes.

Aldman Jetty.

Yes.

Alderman Tebow.

Yes.

Alderman Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dowd.

Yes.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Yes.

Aldwin Wilshire.

Yes.

13 yes, 1A.

That motion carries in resolution 2523 is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R-25-224 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 900,000 of assigned fund balance into capital project activity.

Alderman Dowd.

Like to speak to briefly.

Alderman Dowd.

Yeah, this had a debate at the budget committee.

It was explained as to why this cost increase happened.

And if there's anybody that doesn't know and they want to explain, I'll uh try to explain it.

Nope.

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

I would just like to add uh besides the budget committee.

This was also heard by the infrastructure committee, which supports this.

We have many roofs, many years of the spending cap.

We have stuff that should have been repaired in this, and we got six, fire stations.

And now the police station.

So it needs to be a trust.

Thank you.

Further discussion.

Seeing none.

Would the clerk please call the role?

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Aldwin Gregg.

Yes.

Aldwin Rand.

Yes.

Alderman Thibodeau.

Yes.

Aldman Gobella.

Yes.

Aldrin Lopez.

Yes.

Alderman Sullivan.

Yes.

Alderman Sonnet.

Yes.

Paul Wynjetti.

Yes.

Alderman Tow.

Yes.

Alban Clee.

Yes.

Alderman Dow.

Yes.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Yes.

Aldwin Wolfshire.

Yes.

14 yes, zero nays.

That motion carries.

And resolution 25224 is declared duly adopted.

Unfinished business ordinances.

Second reading of O-25-082 regarding proposals for the development of city-owned real property.

Alderman Moran.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for indefinite postponement of O25082.

And if I could speak to it.

Alderman Moran.

Thank you, Madam President.

This came to personal administrative affairs last week, but I was, as you heard earlier, I was out of the state for five and a half days for work in my other practice location.

And I couldn't attend.

But I would ask that everyone support uh the motion for indefinite postponement.

I think getting uh nitty-grittigan to this uh uh original thought that I had this late into term um probably not uh best for uh getting a uh a cohesive uh plan together on legislation uh like this but I wanted to explain where uh and why I brought it forward.

So um as chairman of PUDC I've gotten to participate in two uh RFP um bids for developing of housing uh one NIMCO and now Elm Street um and each time I've listened to the developers come in and say um our research has shown this and every single one of them is usually much different than the other uh their research is usually what's gonna make them the most money or what's designed their um their business plan or their the way they do business so I thought um a meaningful way to help balance the you know the ZBA that's packed with lobbyists the planning board is packed with lobbyists is to have someone like the health uh board of health weigh in on uh the science of housing and that's where the initial dot came because you know we have that board the last lobbyists uh left the previous chairman uh lobbyists for the ADA uh uh is gone so now it's no longer uh that type of board and they have the expertise to to actually explain uh to this board and future boards uh what health care and housing um would mean for the policies of the city and right now we have some pretty um hodgepodge types of policies and I mean uh the last RFP I was on that you know the goal was to um selection committee now we're down to two and the public will narrow it down to one but selection committee like one uh which was um the selection committee like one and the citizens like one that seems it was both the same person but uh somehow forces have come into play to ensure that uh what was initially told in an RFP process doesn't work um and it's just keeping everything so siloed and having like public conversations with the health department and other experts would just make much more sense instead of this weird like um policies that are designed to really shaft the working class person in the city and I thought science could bring a balance to that but I don't think it's ready for right now and hopefully other members will bring it forth next year and there's other things that I'll write about in the newspaper but uh that's all for now Alderman Senate well thank you Madam President um I um I will support the motion to indefinitely postpone this I do agree that in its current form it's not ready for prime time however as a um as a sponsor on the uh ordinance uh I am committed in the uh next term to uh taking um what we discussed at the personnel administrative affairs committee in regard to this it's some in my mind very simple homework that we can do to uh fine-tune it and I'm uh looking forward to doing that work recrafting this and uh bringing it forward in the next term to uh continue the discussion thank you Alderman Lopez um so I will be voting against indefinite postponement um I have a pretty good read of the room so I am probably gonna die on that hell but um and I have to acknowledge the practicality of there's not much time left in this legislative year to explore this further um but I think the idea does have merit um I think um it is something we need to look at that we constantly refer to housing as a public health crisis and we talk about the

Thank you.

Alderman Lopez.

Um so I will be voting against indefinite postponement.

Um I have a pretty good read of the room, so I am probably gonna die on that hill.

But um and I have to acknowledge the practicality of there's not much time left in this legislative year to explore this further.

Um but I think the idea does have merit.

Um I think um it is something we need to look at that we constantly refer to housing as a public health crisis, and we talk about the uh impact that you know our housing priorities as a city have on the public health department.

We watch our public health department growing in emergency response to this.

So I think maybe we do need to start looking at some more um systemic issues and trying to figure out exactly if there's ways that we can prevent some of these these housing crises from happening for the individuals that's happening too.

Um I also want to clarify uh because one of the previous speakers mentioned that he was away during the same week that I was.

We were not on our honeymoon together.

He had his own trip, my own trip didn't know he was leaving.

But there would be nothing wrong with it if there was.

Right.

We were.

But I mean, I married my wife, so motion before says for indefinite postponement.

Further discussion.

Would the clerk please call the role?

Not necessarily if you go on to you just do a voice vote if you want.

Oh, that's right.

I'm sorry.

I am really sleeping tonight.

Yes, it's called the motion is for indefinite postponement of ordinance 2582.

All those in favor of indefinite postponement say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Motion carries.

Ordinance 2582 is declared indefinitely postponed.

Oh name.

Can I unfinished their previous meeting?

I forgot to vote name.

I was thinking around new business resolutions.

First reading of R 25-230, authorizing amended development agreements with payment in lieu of taxes pilot for phase one of the main earned homes redevelopment.

Alderman O'Brien.

Madam President, I move to suspend the rules for a second reading of 25-230, and acceptance of two development agreements.

Manded phase one, redevelopment, mained four project, and mainten phase one redevelopment, mained number nine project.

Madam President.

Call for sponsors first.

Oh, yeah.

I should have asked for additional sponsors.

Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Clee, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Senate, Alderman Moran, Alderman, Greg, Alderman O'Brien, and myself.

Okay, so you've heard the motion to suspend.

Discussion?

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries.

Alderman O'Brien.

Oh, I'm sorry, I have to read the second reading of R 25-230 authorizing amended development agreements with payment in lieu of taxes a pilot for phase one of the main earned homes redevelopment.

Alderman O'Brien.

Thank you, Madam President.

I move for final passage of our dash 25-23.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um I think I was here, I was here, uh, when we discussed this at infrastructure.

And it was a number of weeks ago uh when we talked about it, but I I'm wondering if uh maybe Director Sullivan could uh or through you to Director Sullivan could help out some in on some information.

Since I understand I did read through the agreement um this afternoon when we got it.

Um, but I was just curious.

I don't know if we answered this question at infrastructure.

How much uh property tax revenue do we currently get from there?

And uh how much could we be getting should if this deal didn't go through?

Director Sullivan Uh good evening, Matt Sullivan, community development director.

I always get nervous about these questions that I know I was asked before and I responded.

Why are you pointing at it?

So aggressive.

No, we we that's uh I'm glad you asked this question, Alderman Sullivan.

Uh we did discuss this at the infrastructure meeting.

Um the current arrangement with the housing authority is actually uh it's a a payment is made across all properties that the housing authority has within the city of Nashua.

And so currently across all of those properties, about 250,000 in tax payment is made.

I think I don't know if I said the exact same thing at the time, but generally our goal has been to incrementally move the housing authority properties, recognizing that they are creating public housing opportunity closer towards a full market value of whatever those properties are demanding from a tax or from a service perspective in the community.

And so as you can see within the numbers presented here for both the 4% and the 9% sides of the projects, we are doing just that.

These are much as a proportional factor of the housing authorities holding the community, these numbers are much bigger than that current $250,000 number.

So ultimately, through all of the housing authorities redevelopments, we are working to provide more of a tax payment uh towards providing city services than what currently exists.

Um frankly, that's been the subject of a lot of uh difficult but really productive conversations with their leadership.

Uh but they understand that while affordable housing is critical for the community, uh that can't mean that the that the tax burden falls to the other taxpayers within the city fully, uh, that they also need to be uh paying their fair share, if you will.

Um so hopefully that answers your question.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Alderman Jetty.

Uh thank you.

So uh if Director Sullivan could uh could we turn to the to the witness standards, I won't point at you, Alderman Jetty.

Ooh, wow.

So uh so from what you said earlier, you you talked about uh you know how there was you know some kind of a problem that was discovered that you're curing uh with this legislation.

So I'd like to know what what's the problem and you know and and how is this curing it?

And secondly, you talked about how this was you this is gonna be extended for an additional one or two years, but you also talked about it starting a uh uh a year earlier.

So what what was the total on the original agreement?

What was the total amount of tax money that we were going to get, and what's the total going to be under this new formula?

Sure.

Uh so Alderman Jetty to address your first question.

Um the fundamental issue here, and certainly uh folks in the audience can help me address this question if needed, but the fundamental issue that was that ultimately uh some of the financing entities needed to see that there would be a 15-year free and clear pilot.

And what I mean by that is that there would be a 15-year period from the date that these buildings go into service, which will ultimately be several years from now, meaning they're actually housing residents.

There'll be a 15-year period where the tax payments are locked in.

They're clearly set between the city and the housing authority.

In our initial pilot agreement, the development agreements that you saw as part of the the previously approved legislation, we were one year short.

There was in fact a 14-year period in which the tax payments were locked in.

And that was because the year of service was adjusted to be a little bit too early in that pilot structure.

So what we're doing here is giving the housing authority and the uh the financing entities a 15-year period that there's a predictable payment being made to the city.

That's what's ultimately needed to make this project work.

Relative to your your second line of questioning, Alderman Jetty about the total tax payments.

Uh admittedly, I'm gonna have to go back to the old development agreement and get those numbers.

But what I can say is that in ultimately it represents about an incre uh an increase from the initial of development agreements to these.

We're looking at approximately, I believe a $200,000 increase in the pilot payment being made to the city for both the 4% and the 9%.

So $200,000 overall is what we're seeing for a change in value.

But again, as I mentioned before, there are a couple of factors at play there.

One, the pilot is starting a year earlier.

They're starting tax payments earlier.

The pilot agreement is going to extend a year longer, meaning that rather than they start to pay a uh either a fair market value or a statutorily agreed to value in 2042, they'll now pay in 2043.

And then we add it in, because we were they're getting an additional year of pilot agreement.

We added in what we've sort of termed as a an escalation payment, meaning a one-time sort of, I don't want to call it a balloon payment, but a one-time very sudden increase in the tax payment in year 2041.

So ultimately, all of those things working together represent about $200,000 increase in the value.

Uh but I can certainly go back and look at those numbers a little a little more closely.

I don't want that to be in the record as the number, but that's a general figure of what we're looking at.

Okay.

Thank you.

That answers my question.

Thank you.

Anyone else saying no one?

The motion is for final passage of resolution 25230.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries.

And resolution 230, 25230 is declared duly adopted.

First reading of R 25-231, authorizing the mayor to enter into a revised Federal Aid Program Project Agreement with the State of New Hampshire Department of Transportation for the purpose of designing a new pedestrian bridge over the Now Shore River.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman Klee, Alderman Dowd, and myself.

First reading of Rod 25-232 relative to the acceptance of 33,000 from the United States Department of Homeland Security in the State of New Hampshire, Department of Safety into Fire Department Grant Activity 2025 Homeland Security Grant Program.

So Hegan Mutual Aid Response Team has me on equipment.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Gregg, Alderman Moran, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Sullivan, Alderman Senate, Alderman Tebow, Alderman Clee, Alderman Dowd, and myself.

Given that first reading, I'll assign that to the Human Affairs Committee.

First reading of R-25-233, relative to the acceptance of 10,000 from the New Hampshire Charitable Foundation into public health and computing services grant activity, speaking our minds podcast.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Moran, Alderman Senate, Alderman Dowd, and myself, given his first reading, I'll assign that to the Human Affairs Committee.

First reading of R-25-234, relative to the acceptance of 12,000 from Dartmouth Hitchcock into public health, hearing services grant activity, substance misuse prevention efforts.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Moran, Alderman Senate.

Alderman Tebow, Alderman Clee, Alderman Dowd, and myself.

Given its first reading, I'll assign that to the Human Affairs Committee.

New business ordinances.

None.

Laurie Orlano.

Laurie Ordolano, 41 Berkeley Street.

I wanted to address the ethics committee with you.

I sent all of you some emails regarding rules on that committee and a desire to see some things changed over there.

We have an NRO that permits a committee to exist.

And if you don't want the committee to exist, change the NRO.

Because what I'm finding is you don't want the committee to exist.

Right now it only has three people available to serve on it.

And they scheduled a hearing for December 4th on an ethics complaint that I brought forward.

Very short, very simple.

It came through in September.

And when I got there, there were only three cards on the table.

And one of the people didn't show up because there had been a death in the family, which the chair had confirmed he knew about before the meeting.

When I said, why didn't you just tell us?

Because the consultant comes down and travels from Portsmouth to be the attorney to counsel that board.

And there wasn't a quorum.

And he said, because you would have gotten mad.

I can assure you I wouldn't have if there had been a death in a family.

That was a reasonable thing.

The gentleman, while attorney Bush is chairing, attorney Bush chairs the committee, and he needs to be replaced by an attorney who is capable of chairing that committee.

You know, he serves on a judicial selection committee with the Governor Ayat appointed.

He's a long-term friend of Governor A.

Ayot.

These are personal friendships that get you these seats.

He serves on an ethics committee for the judiciary.

He should be knowledgeable about ethics.

He is not.

I have never met a more incompetent man on right to know and ethics in running a meeting than this guy.

He's very, very poor.

Now, he was angry in that meeting.

And I don't know if it was done to try and incite anger in me because I've got this court battle coming up, and maybe he just wanted to try and make me mad.

But several times he made comments that I were I was confused about.

First of all, he said two other people recuse themselves.

And I interrupted and said, What's the reason?

He said, I'm not going to tell you.

Now I've been asking him for months.

I knew one person recused.

Ordinarily in a court proceeding, you have a right to know why somebody recused themselves.

He refused.

He wouldn't address it.

And then I found out somebody else recused themselves.

Both parties, both individuals have a right to notice.

I don't know why it was done.

As the meeting was then canceled, he said, listen, we're going to give proper grieving time.

We're going to meet again in January.

And we're going to hold a hearing.

A hearing on the merits.

I interrupted him again and said, I thought we were going to screen the complaint first.

Are we skipping that?

Have you accepted it?

That's great.

He got very angry, explosive.

The gentleman who traveled down from Portsmouth, uh, attorney Sullivan said, I can explain that.

Let me explain it.

He said no.

Twice he told him to shut his mouth and said, I'm not going to allow you to talk to her.

I'm going to get up and leave before I listen to you talk to her.

Ms.

O'Dolano, your time is up.

Okay.

I think you got a really big problem with this guy.

Clearly, he doesn't want the job.

And you haven't staffed a committee to be able to do it.

Don't have one if you don't want one.

Bob Keating.

So my comments is follow up to the decisions that we made about the uh resource center.

And it's grouped into uh the warming center, the resource center, and what uh for want of a better term, the 24-7 uh uh center.

Uh so just grouping it into three concepts uh a date, um money, and uh the last one is collaboration.

In terms of date, uh April 15th, many of us will have that date uh in our mind in terms of taxes due on and that's the same date that the warming uh station will will close.

And so taxes are due on the 15th and on the 15th.

I hope that we see it collectively as a community that our our plan uh will have been fully developed and implemented for what happens to uh to the people then at that point in time.

So that's the first date.

The the money um is um uh I had described before.

Uh think about it, 750 dollars is what the cost is for a studio uh here in uh um on Temple Street, that would be 9,000 uh um a year.

Um we'll go for more in the other side, a market rate of 15, 100, so that's 18,000.

And so roughly uh putting this, we had a hundred people we were estimating that was uh in the encampment and and downtown.

So if you take that, uh it comes out to about 900,000 dollars per year it would cost to house a people in a studio um uh at 750 uh dollars.

If it's 15,000, you just uh you know uh uh make that uh double that uh particular figure.

Um and you're you know looking at the amount of money that we would uh uh need to house uh people uh of that.

So it's not the biggest number, and that doesn't count any monies that people would be getting in terms of their own income uh vouchers and and things of that uh uh uh kind.

Uh so finally collaboration.

I think there's been a lot of collaboration, but I think that there is more needed as we move forward here to uh to get to this next step, and uh we start with the uh the people who are unhoused, uh uh are homeless, the we call the people with lived experience, uh the nonprofits that have been actively have been involved, but I think more and uh the public in general, so that by the time we get to that due date of uh April 15th, we'll have the plan.

So thank you.

Paula Johnson.

Good evening, Paula Johnson again, 15 Westmore.

I can't wait to get on this board and start working with some of you.

I think it's gonna be a great board, and I think we can work together collaboratively.

I just want a couple of things I want to say.

You know, when we were talking when the board was talking about RDS 25216, the mayor had stated that um it was asked why no start-up costs.

It wasn't included.

But anybody who does a business plan that's not in government knows that if you're gonna get a loan, you have to have that business plan and show all the start-up costs and everything that you're gonna need to get that loan.

I think it's silly that we don't do this here in government because then you're not disclosing exactly all the money that you need.

The other thing is I'm just kind of curious.

Is anybody know where everybody went from the encampment?

Because I did get a text message from Ken telling me that he was taking down his tent and he was kind of sad about the whole thing, and he had family members helping him.

So maybe after the meeting I can find out what happened where they went to, because I don't want to see this that we're going to be playing chess here, that they're moving from one place to the other.

And some I heard that they were thinking about going to Massachusetts, so you know they'd probably be right at the railroad right by the mall.

And you know, if we're going to be working at this with the resource center and trying to help these homeless people, we need to come up with a game plan here, not just band-aids all the time, and that's what we seem to do.

The resource center, we're investing money into it.

$300,000, but we have no business plan.

We have no startup costs.

You know, you can't do that in business.

And I don't know how many I know that Alderman Moran is self-employed.

He understands about business.

I, my husband and I were had a business when I was on the board the first time and on the board of education back when those days when I was younger.

We had to come up with a business plan.

You know, you have to have that plan because you need to know how much money you're going to need for yourself and how much money you're going to have to have for the business.

And you and where everybody knows the business always gets paid before you do.

So if your business can't support you, you have to figure out how many jobs you have to work to your business can support you.

So I'm just saying that I hope we can sit down, come up with good plans here.

So if we're going to help the homeless community, it's not going to be band-aids and say, well, we missed it in 2025.

Let's try to get it in 2035, 10 years from now.

Thank you very much.

Remarks by members of the board.

I'm going to start over here tonight.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, uh Madam President.

Um, I was at that ethics meeting as well and didn't go exactly like that.

I think both con both parties had conflicts.

I I didn't say a word.

I just want to say the the the recruit the recusals only help the person that was speaking.

They don't help me.

So they only help her case.

And uh unfortunately the third person did have a death in the family, so can't plan around that.

Um whether or not they're supposed to tell us ahead of time, that's not my call.

Um as far as the legislation about the cleanup, um, I was disappointed that I couldn't bring Dr.

Hanum up.

Uh, usually when we ask uh director to come up, we're able to get them to at least explain, especially if I didn't explain it well, which is is possible.

Um she knew the in and outs more than I did on that.

Um so I'm disappointed on that.

I'm gonna work, I think it's an affront to some of the small businesses downtown.

I think that was the listening session we had that uh we could have used uh more cleanliness down downtown, and I I think uh you know, I'll be looking to work with her next year to to try to do something to continue that.

So thank you.

Anyone else?

Alderman Thibodeau.

Um thank you, Madam President.

Um on that item, the the 220, the reason for my no vote.

Um because the the River Walk project was so well managed, it should have been planned and it was gonna need a cleanup group.

So that should have been a budgeted item.

Main Street's been here for quite a few years.

Um if we haven't noticed that it was getting dirtier, then shame on us.

So that should have been budgeted also.

I agree both of them should be taken care of and clean and maintained, but those should have been budgeted items.

That was the only reason why I voted no on that item.

Alderman Moran.

Thank you.

Did it Alderman O'Brien?

Yes, uh for what it's worth.

I'm gonna express, you know, tag on to Alderman.

I'm very disappointed.

I was after listening, and I heard from our businesses downtown.

If you got to take a snapshot of Nashua and make a postcard of it, what part of the city would you take that?

Snapshot in it, and it would be the downtown.

But this is not picking up trash.

We're talking about it's talking about human waste, which is a biological hazard.

It has to be picked up by people who are trained, so that if there is anything in that waste that could communicate to them that they can avoid.

So it's not just anybody else.

You need the training and everything else.

Number two.

And we had public works through compromise.

And the public work works labor crew agreed to this.

We moved and compromised and was there in this agreement.

So therefore it is a little different than Manchester, but we compromised with the labor force.

So it was a good bill.

So it is what it is.

You all had your particular reasons, and I respect that.

But I do hope, and I will work with you, Alderman Tebo, to try to bring it back within the new board.

It needs to be done.

If we're gonna keep the postcard image of Nashua and assist our businesses to make it a healthy environment downtown.

Thank you.

Committee announcements.

Yeah, thank you.

I got one.

Well, good.

Actually, I got two.

Oh, even better.

That's a matter of opinion.

Okay.

Uh tomorrow night, 1211, there will be a joint committee of infrastructure and a police commission.

Uh, what this is in regard to working on the new training facility.

Tomorrow is tomorrow at 6 p.m.

Huh?

Tomorrow is 1210.

Yes.

Am I got the right date?

Yes, you do.

Yeah.

No, I have drawn.

I gave it around pneumatic.

Sorry.

1210.

So I was partially correct.

After that meeting at 7 p.m., there'll be a regular committee of infrastructure.

So I wasn't totally wrong.

You weren't.

Alderman Moran?

I'm going to be canceling PDC this month.

Uh any legislation that's left of that committee will have to be brought back and reintroduced next uh year.

Aldman Lopez.

Um human affairs committee has a meeting on December 15th.

Alderman Sullivan.

Uh the bidder uh committee meets tomorrow morning, 9 a.m.

in room 2080.

No committees on this side of the room?

Okay.

Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

I would like to make a motion that the uh December ninth meeting of the Board of Alderman be adjourned.

Motion is to adjourn.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Nay.

We are adjourned at 9.35 p.m.

Thank you, everyone.