And Alderman at large, Amber Morgan will lead in the pledge to the flag.

Almighty God.

We have the high honor and the serious duty to manage the affairs of our beloved city.

Fill us, O God, with a spirit of unity and understanding, which enables us to face our multiple problems with a serene mind with justice and charity for all, so that any and all decisions made by us will always be for the betterment and greater happiness of all our fellow citizens.

So help us God.

Amen.

Let's start the meeting by taking a roll call attendance, please.

Alderman Clemens.

Here.

Alderman Clee.

Here.

Alderman Chus.

Here.

Alderwoman Smith.

Here.

Aldwin TO.

Here.

Aldman O'Brien.

Alvin Greg.

Here.

Aldwin Dowd.

President.

Aldman Sullivan.

Here.

Alderman Senate.

Here.

Aldman Johnson.

Present.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Here.

Aldman Morgan.

Here.

Aldman Lopez.

Here.

Alliman Wilshire.

Here.

Fifteen present, zero absent.

Thank you.

Also joining us this evening is Mayor Jim Donchis and Corporation Counsel Steve Bolton.

Mayor, did you wish to address the board this evening?

Yes, Madam President.

Just a few things.

First of all, I know we all are very aware of the explosion and fire that took place out on Amherst Street early last week.

The air, the odor of gas.

But as they approached the building, and this was the Greater National Mental Health Building, as they approached the building, there was an explosion.

Three firefighters were hurt and a big fire broke out.

So following that, our the rest of our fire department responded as well as units from various other towns.

Fortunately, the building had already been evacuated, so there was no one in the building.

First of all, they all sustained serious injuries, but not life endangering.

Two of the firefighters are out of the hospital.

Still was in the hospital this morning.

So that's all good news.

So of course our hearts go out to their families and for the injuries they sustained, but thank God that no one was more seriously injured and no one was killed.

But certainly that could have happened.

So right now, and it's snowing again now, but uh my the last count I got was we had about 18 snow incidents to which the public works crews responded, which is a very high number.

Our snow budget is about a million three on an annual basis.

Usually that is enough, more than enough.

Uh this year that's not the case.

Uh so the million three is um now been expended.

Uh there is a reserve fund uh of $300,000, which can be drawn upon to pay for snow plowing and snow clearing operations once the regular budget is expended.

Um it looks like that is going to be fully used uh very quickly, if not already.

Now there's another now there's another um situation tonight.

So our 2610 asked that we uh transfer uh $500,000 into the snow reserve fund to make sure we get through the winter uh with the ability to continue to uh plow the snow.

Um any unused funds, of course, will remain in the year in the reserve fund until it is needed in a subsequent year.

Um and you'll hear more about that uh when it goes to the budget committee.

Um finally, Madam President, I wanted to mention uh that there is a redesign of the website going on, and we would very much like to uh get input from the residents uh who use the website as to how they believe the website could be improved because we want it to work well as possible for uh all of our residents.

So there is a survey on the um the pay the main page of the website, uh and it's very obvious if you go there.

And if you uh click that click on that, you can take the survey and get give comments regarding uh how you would like to see the website improved, and uh we will take those into account and in an effort to be as responsive to our residents as possible uh with respect to our um to our city website.

And with that, Madam President, I will um we'll conclude.

Thank you, Mayor.

Response to the remarks of the mayor.

Alderman Clee.

Uh thank you.

Um Madam President, um to the to the mayor's um discussion of the fire and the explosion.

Um we've all said it over and over again.

We're grateful to all of our firefighters and and mutual aid from all the different communities and and so on.

Um I was asked even today about the um uh uh hydrants that weren't working in Penichuk and so on.

And um, if everybody listens to the Penichuk uh meeting that we had last Thursday, Penachuk explained um what happens when they go out, one happened to be hit by a plow, there was another one that wasn't working.

Um they they talked about the uh collar around the the fire hydrant and so on.

I'm not gonna go into the details.

I don't know exactly how to explain it all, but anybody who's interested can watch the Penachuk meeting and they were very open as to how these get reported.

And a lot of times, as they said, they get reported by citizens because they don't know that it's been affected and so on.

And and they ask that we clean the fire hydrants.

Uh, take the time to do that because while the firefighters go around, they've also got a lot of other jobs to do.

So thank you.

Hold on, chess.

Um just to add on that uh quickly, just the the quick check that they mentioned for for those who don't get to it, is just touch the fire hydrant, and if it wiggles, call them.

That's they did say that.

They did.

That's because of that caller, yeah.

Yeah.

Alderman T Ball.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um yeah, I just want to say uh, you know, we've had way too many fires in the city lately, and and our fire department has been probably getting more taxed out than they have been in the years past.

They've done an amazing job again, keeping people safe and being there uh when we need them.

Um question I have through you to the mayor.

Um so is was there anything that could have been prevented that we can kind of do a PSA out to people like, hey, clean off this or clean off that or do this, or was it just a freak accident that that happened that caused it?

Um I think well there that's being in terms of what caused the explosion.

Yeah.

Um the I think that well, that's being investigated by the State Fire Marshal, but the theory is that ice fell off the roof and uh broke the meter, the gas meter, and that somehow it ignited.

Okay.

But beyond that, I mean I don't have any answers except that the fire uh marshals investigation should uh reveal more.

Okay.

I know the first thing I did was run to my side of my house and make sure my gas meter was all cleaned off and made sure there was no ice above it.

So hopefully if if people uh get the word out that there'll be you know no chance of any more of these happening.

Thank you.

Alderman Dowd.

Yeah, I just think we ought to also thank Emily Mazio.

Basiello.

Um emergency preparedness director.

She's been tested a couple times in the last three months and has done an outstanding job of coordinating all of these people that are involved, and also thank the uh our uh adjacent towns that are sending their equipment here lately more often than we probably want to see, but uh the mutual aid is extremely important for for both ourselves and our other cities that surround us because uh uh it helps the bite the item that's going on.

Thank you.

Alderman Lopez.

Um, I just want to uh add my commendation and recognition of um Greater National Mental Health.

They were able to reopen their open access on Monday over at Pine Street Extension, which is difficult because they're those are mental health professionals are the ones we turn to when these crises happen, and they just experienced it themselves.

So I just want to give them credit because I think as a mental health professional, I've worked at Greater Nashua, and you're operating just a couple steps above burnout in the best of times, trying to do everything you can for all the people coming in, and to have a crisis like this suddenly um take place.

Um their resilience is impressive.

All right.

Uh recognition period.

Done.

Reading minutes of previous meetings.

There being no objection, I'll declare the minutes of the special and regular board of alderman meetings of October 9, 2025 and October 14, 2025 be accepted, placed on file, and the reading suspended.

Communications requiring only procedural actions and written reports from liaisons.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus and President Laurie Wilshire regarding formation of an ad hoc joint committee to provide recommendations on debt service planning relative to anticipated capital expenditures over the next five years.

And communication has been received from Tim Cummings, Director of Administrative Services regarding communication, providing additional information on O-24-041 relative to increasing exemptions in other assessing matters.

There being no objection, I'll accept the communications and place them on file.

Period for public comment relative to items expected to be acted upon this evening.

We have four people who have signed up.

We're going to start with Michael Gagnan.

Thank you, President Wilsh, and distinguished board of uh Alderman.

We need your name and address the case.

Oh, my name is Mike Gagden.

I'm in uh uh Paul is more, but basically, okay.

So I'd like to speak to the mayor and the city council today about the flagpole and the flags policy in place by the city of Nashua.

Flags are meant to inspire people to a common purpose.

The mil in the military, I was taught that when we got split up, we rally around the flag.

The flag is a signal to unify everybody together with a common shared purpose.

All of us here today were born or gave birth to someone else.

It's the one thing we all have in common, no matter what.

Nashville is blessed with the city to have two major hospitals and maternity wards, another soon-to-be urgent care facility, nursing college, etc.

etc.

And Christian pro religious organizations.

It borders Halls, which is a town with the most medical professionals per square foot in any other town of the c in any other town of the country.

Nashua has made itself the place to give safely to safely give birth.

It is a pro-life city, the most pro-life city in New Hampshire.

That is something for Nashua to be proud of.

I applied to rate I applied to fly the pro-life flag, the city's flag poll last year in conjunction with the rally sponsored by the Nashua chapter of the New Hampshire Right to Life, and was denied the opportunity to fly that flag flag.

I did I did not contest it, but flying the pro-life flag is good for Nashua.

I travel a lot, so I have not seen what happened here in the city with respect to these pride flags all over town.

I came and found this out.

I don't know what the decision was and with around to that, but that is more of something that is divisive to this community than any thought.

But flying the pro-life flag is something that everybody should be welcome, welcome to vote.

So for that, I was very offended.

And I believe I'm not the only one.

But I apply to the members of this council to cancel that pro that pride month celebrating sodomy.

Okay.

I submit flying the pro-life flag would be much better use of that particular time.

I also heard that the decision made by the court on behalf of Stephen and Beth Scare that for the city to deny them the use of the flagpole is uh to fly the historic Pine Tree flag was a violation of the First Amendment rights.

I believe the city owes them the right to lie that flag or the flagpole for the time they requested it should do so immediately.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Beth scare I Beth Scare 11 East Hobart Street.

Um I have three important questions that I'm asking you to answer during your debate on the fl the new flag ordinance.

First one is will the proposed flag policy be a real change in behavior or just encourage people to give input privately to the mayor.

Second, will the city only fly flags it personally owns from now on rather than flying flags that have been loaned to it as previously?

And the last question is Will you update the policy to include flags and banners hanging from city lampposts and other city property?

Thank you.

Steven Skeer.

Good evening, Stephen Scar 11 East Hobart Street.

Regarding the flag ordinance, there's a very simple way forward.

I don't want to see my taxes promoting ideologies, especially, especially destructive ones that leave children confused and permanently harmed.

But why promote any ideological or political position?

We we should simply have our state flag and our national flag, things that unite us.

Thank you.

Simon Amaya Price.

I'm here to speak in regards to ordinance 26 001.

Do you have an address?

I've been advised by my security key team to keep that private.

Is that acceptable?

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Ordinance requires it.

Um I would like to see.

Um good?

Our ordinance requires it.

Okay.

Um I'll floor fit my time then.

Madam President, point of order.

Yes.

The gentleman could give his business address.

We have accepted those in the past if he chooses, right?

We have accepted those.

I believe you have.

Do we have uh do you have a business address you could give us?

I do not have this address anyway.

Okay.

Okay.

Communications requiring final approval.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Donchus regarding multi-year contract award eagle view cloud software.

Hold on Sullivan.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve a six-year multi-year contract for flight imagery services with pictrometry international corporation in the amount not to exceed 110,531 dollars and twenty-five cents, which is $18,421.88 annually.

Funding will be through Department 134 GIS fund general fund 53 professional and technical services.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye opposed.

That motion carries.

Communication has been received from Liz Hanum, Economic Development Director regarding Arts Commission spending recommendation.

There being no objection, I'll refer the communication to the budget review committee.

Petitions.

None.

Nominations, appointments, and elections.

Joint convention with Woodlawn Pinewood Cemeteries Board of Trustees.

There being no objection, I'll declare that the Board of Alderman meet in joint convention with the Woodlawn Pinewood Cemetery Trustees for the purpose of electing two trustees and call for nominations.

Do we have anyone here from the Woodlawn Pinewood Cemeteries?

Okay.

Yeah, I I um would move to nominate Tom uh Todd Whitney and Mark Colomb for a five-year term to expire March 31st, 2030.

Yeah.

Oh, there's no one here.

Okay.

We stand in the graveyard.

Okay.

All right.

Board of Public Works Retirement System Trustees.

David Fred reappointment, term to expire February 10th, 2028.

Four Henry David Drive, number 408, Nashua, New Hampshire, 03062.

Cultural Connections Committee, Donna Marcou, reappointment term to expire February 28, 2029, 37 Pinewood Road, Hudson, New Hampshire 03051.

Ethics Review Committee, Roger Wiseman, reappointment, term to expire March 16th, 2029, 88 Peel Road, Nashua, New Hampshire 03062.

Mine Falls Park Advisory Committee.

Stephen Kenny, reappointment term to expire February 10th, 2029, 9 Sagamore Road, Nashua, New Hampshire 03062.

Nashua Center for the Arts Board of Trustees, Judy Judith Carlson reappointment.

Term to expire March 10th, 2029, 15 Manchester Street, Nashua, New Hampshire 03064.

There being no objection, I'll accept the appointments by the mayor is read and refer them to the Personnel Administrative Affairs Committee.

Reports of committees.

There being no objection, I'll declare the report of the October 22nd Committee on Infrastructure be accepted and placed on file.

There being no objection, I'll suspend the rules to allow for the oral report of the Human Affairs Committee meeting held Monday night, February 9th, regarding proposed resolution R2609, Alderman Lopez.

So at our meeting last night, Manager Chisholm came and made a presentation on our ongoing program for uh removal of exotic species.

Uh some might call them invasive species.

We went over the different species which are most common, and it was explained that this needs to be discussed by the board and a decision made uh quickly because there's a number of uh pieces that need to follow in order to allow uh the agencies that would actually be able to do the removal to be aware of that, have their funding approved uh and to follow that process.

So she did request a consider tonight.

Um it's something that we've been doing for years.

It benefits um the city of Nashua, particularly the Mine Falls area and our waterways.

Thank you.

Confirmation of mayor's appointments.

There being no objection, I will confirm the new appointment of Stephanie Mall, 15 Lidgewood Hills Drive, Nashua, with a term to expire March 10th, 2028 to the Arts Commission.

Is Stephanie Mall here with us this evening?

She'll be sworn in at a later date.

Citizens Advisory Commission.

There being no objection, I'll confirm the reappointments of Jason Talersky, 5 Shakespeare Road, Nashua, and Oscar Velasquez, 76 Bove Av, Nashua, both with terms to expire December 1st, December 1st, 2028, to the Citizens Advisory Commission.

Could you gentlemen please come forward for the oath of office?

Right up to the attorney.

Please, each of you raise your right hand.

Do you solemnly swear that you will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all of the duties incumbent upon you as a member of the Citizens Advisory Commission for the City of Nashua, according to the best of your abilities, and agreeably to the rules and regulations of the city charter and the constitution and laws of the state of New Hampshire?

So help you got.

So help me, Mother Nature.

Thank you.

There being no objection, I'll confirm the new appointments of Justin Gerstenfield, 79 Gilson Road, Nashua, with a term to expire December 9th, 2028.

Mu Juris, 56 Haynes Street, Nashua, and Adam Thompson, 30 Front Street, Nashua, Apartment 715, both with terms to expire February 10th, 2029, to the Ethics Review Committee.

Well solemnly swear that you will faithfully and partially discharge and perform all the duties and cover upon you as a member of the Ethics Review Committee of the City of Nashua, according to the best of your abilities and agreeably to the rules and regulations of the city charter and the Constitution and laws of the state of New Hampshire.

So I hope you got thank you.

There being no objection, I'll confirm the new appointment of Paula Lockheed for Westbrook Drive Nashville with the term to expire January 27, 2029.

And new appointments of Justin Hopper's 23 Lutheran 29 Lutheran Drive National with a term to expire January 13, 2029.

Kamal Masan, 20 Jennifer Drive Nashville with a term to expire February 10th, 2029.

And Michael Sleewa, 28 Woodfield Street Nashville, with the term to expire March 10th, 2029, to the Mine Falls Park Advisory Committee.

Please come forward.

So help you got.

Thank you.

There being no objection, I will confirm the new appointment of Nadra Bell to Farley Street Nashville with the term to expire on the date of the annual shareholders' meeting in 2028 to the Pennychuck Water Board of Directors.

Oath of office will be administered at a later date.

Election by the Board of Alderman.

Board of Health.

There being no objection, I will confirm the new appointment of Stephanie Ballantine, MS, RN, APRN, F N P B, C.

It's a lot of alphabet.

She will be sworn in at a later date.

Unfinished business resolutions.

Second reading of R-26-008, renaming the Arlington Street Community Center as the Gloria Timmins Community Center.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Thank you.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of R2608.

I'd like to speak to it.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Thank you.

Uh this passed the committee unanimously.

We had a really nice discussion on what Gloria meant to the city, and that she really is the definition of community, and this is a perfect way to encapsulate her legacy.

So I hope that you all will support it.

Oh Alderman Clay.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um, I too um endorsed and feel very strongly about this.

Um we we all know all of the things that uh Gloria did as far as the boards that she sat on, the um bringing the Greater Nashua um uh NAACP here, um, working on the Arlington Street Community Center.

Um, and what many might not know is that Gloria also took um elderly people, grocery shopping, um, and at times would bring food to them when they needed it.

People who were sick reached out to her and so on.

She went far beyond the community of serving as if she served individuals.

Um we all know of her military service and how she raised children while being a single mother in the military.

Um just such an amazing person.

I can't think of a better way of honoring her than to put her name on that community center.

So I hope that this is unanimous and we go forward.

Thank you.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um, I've said this before in this chamber, probably when we were naming the McCarthy Middle School that I'm not a huge fan of naming things after people.

Um, and I did vote for that for for the school to be voted uh to be named after him.

And I know we got a letter recently that that had said there was some recency bias, and I can I can see where that may be a thing in in general cases.

I know that if I God forbid something happens to me tonight, no one's naming something for me.

I don't care how recent the bias is, right?

The point here is that it's not about the recency bias with Alderman Timmins.

She had done so much, her resume.

I could sit here and I could continue to write things that she's done while raising a pretty big family uh of grandkids and and uh a great family that she has, all while doing all these different things.

Multicultural festival, she was a veteran.

I mean, we can go on and on and on.

I could sit here for a long time.

So she has earned that resume and she has earned that right and that honor to be to be and I talked to Jessica when she was here at the personnel committee that runs Arlington, and I said, Is there any anybody against it?

Like, would people be against this?

And she's like, absolutely not.

So there's definitely um reason to do this, and I think it would be a big honor to her, and like I said in personnel, I miss her every day, and it'll be great to see her name on that building.

So thank you.

Um thank you, uh um, Madam President.

And so I I think with Gloria, the thing about her and keeping in mind with naming a community center after her legacy was not just one of her family or a service to um the city, but it was of her um love for community that really she she taught everybody else.

So the thing you couldn't not like Nashua if you were with Gloria more than five minutes.

And so, you know, that lug legacy of loving the community, about being an active part of the community, um, you know, and really respecting other people was just a part of her core that I certainly appreciated and uh learned a lot from, and I think it would be a great honor for her to um she's always there in spirit, but to have her name on that would be really great.

Walderman Senate.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Um yeah, to I mean, every everybody's really spoken to what uh Gloria Timmons meant to the city of Nashua, but you know, to take that a step further.

Um we all know how instrumental she was in standing up that community center, um, putting in the work to get that to happen.

And once those doors were opened, that didn't end for her.

That was something that she held very dear to her and something she cherished here in the city of Nashua, so much so that four years ago when I was standing at that pulpit there asking for this board's consideration to fulfill an unfinished term here on this board.

But one question that she posed to me was have you been to the community center?

And if you have not, why not?

Which was about as direct and as um indicative of what she felt about that community center um as could get.

And I was happy to be able to say that night that yes, I'm there rather frequently.

I was actually there tonight before I uh before I came here to City Hall, dropping my son off for one of his classes there that he takes.

And um, and I had the opportunity to go downstairs and speak with some of the staff knowing that this vote was coming up.

Just to you know, again to Alderman Thibault's point, make sure that you know we weren't taking something from them because as much as Gloria cared about that community center, the staff there really puts their heart into it, and I wanted to be sure that this wasn't something that was being done, you know, with the wool over their eyes or something.

And uh I heard nothing but enthusiastic support for this change and stories of how they all worked with Gloria in some capacity or another.

So I I really think this is a deserved honor, and I'm happy to support it.

I'd be happy to see Gloria's name um enshrined in Ward 7.

Thank you.

Alderman Lopez.

Um, I just the previous speakers have done a great job in articulating um why Gloria's name should be on that building.

Um, but I would add that a lot of us feel very, very strongly about our experiences with her because it was a privilege to know her, and it was an honor for us to serve it.

So I think while she is being honored by her name on that building, it's an honor for our city to be able to do that and to recognize somebody.

I said in the last meeting that Gloria is the kind of person that people can look up to and that people can see as an inspiration, and I think we need that in our city, and we should be proud of the people who really made a difference and really really lived what they they believed.

And I think uh Gloria touched so many lives.

I I think we are certainly honoring her legacy by naming the Darling Street Community Center after her.

But I think it's an honor for us all to do it, and it's a privilege for the city of Nashua to have had her as one of our own.

Well said.

Okay.

Motion before us is for final passage.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye opposed.

Motion carries, and resolution 2600 eight is declared duly adopted.

Second reading of R-26-009 relative to the acceptance of $80,790 from the state of New Hampshire, Department of Environmental Services, Exotic Species Program, and to authorize the transfer of matching funds.

Alderman Lopez.

I'd like to recommend final passage of R2509.

2609?

Yeah, I think I need to zoom in a little more.

R2609.

Okay.

Very good.

Motion before us is for final passage of R2609 discussion.

Seeing none.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries.

And resolution 26009 is declared duly adopted.

Unfinished business ordinances.

Second reading of O-26-001 relative to flag poles on city hall grounds.

Alderman Teble.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of O-26-001, and I'd like to speak to it briefly, please.

Alderman Table.

Thank you, Madam President.

So we passed this in personnel.

And I think I think it's time that the citizens flagpole goes away and it goes back to the over to the city.

So I am definitely for this, and uh I just think we've had too much controversy with it.

It'll make it better if we just end that right there and we we'll be good to go.

So thank you.

Alderman Johnson, then Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you very much.

I voted against this in committee.

Now which flag poll is it out front?

There's three flag polls out front.

Is it the one that has the state flag on it, the one that has the American flag on it, or the one that has the PLW MIA flag on it?

Or is there another one that I didn't count out there?

It's the one in the middle.

Would I help if you would there are four flags?

Okay.

The ordinance covers all four of them.

May I ask another question to you?

To attorney.

So there's four flag poles out there right now.

There are three grouped together, and there's one further to the south.

And the one that's further has no flag on it right now.

It's empty.

I think it has the American flag on it.

I don't know what it has right at the moment.

Because excuse me.

Most most days it has the American flag.

Okay.

And maybe I'm going to redirect this because I know when you look out the window, that when I was up in your office the other day, I saw one flag.

You were in my office the other day.

Well, I was talking I was with attorney clock talking to her.

So it wasn't that I was in your office, but I looked out your window to see where the flag poles were with her.

Okay, because we were talking about the flags with this.

Hope I didn't get her into any trouble.

You know, just we just looked out the window.

She brought you into my office.

We just looked out the window in your office.

So she brought you into my office.

Okay, we looked out in Hawaii.

Is that what you're telling me?

No, I'm not.

I'm not.

I looked out the window and I was able to see where the flagpole is.

You know, we're gonna make a big to-do out of something right now.

I'm just asking a question.

There's how many flag poles are.

I understand what you're asking.

There were four flag poles.

There's four.

Okay.

There's three in front.

I'm so see the flag poles out there.

That's an American flag.

There's a state flag, and there's an MIA PLW flag.

Is there another flagpole over there, or there's one at a distance?

There was only three flag poles out there.

There are three that are in close proximity.

Okay.

There is one further to the left as you're looking at City Hall.

Okay.

The ordinance applies to all of them.

Okay.

Thank you.

Alderman Sullivan.

Thank you.

I had read last week that there was a federal judge that uh deemed our flag policy unconstitutional.

And I was curious to know if this ordinance would fix that.

It would.

It would.

Um could I further?

Yes.

Thank you.

Um I am not going to support this only because I think that you know, turning this into a government uh property situation, however, it's explained.

I think when you look at it currently, knowing and understanding uh the administration and and and who is in office now, I think fine, okay.

But beyond that, um, and all due respect, Mr.

Mayor, you won't be mayor forever.

And maybe the next administration now has that ability to take the flag poles on and then put up any messages that it it deems appropriate because it is property of the city administration, however, it's explained.

So I think today fine, but tomorrow maybe not.

Uh so that's that's the reason I'm gonna vote against it.

Alderman Lopez.

Um so I cannot imagine a scenario where we would deliberately vote to uphold something that a judge has said is unconstitutional.

It feels like we should probably respond as best we can to protect uh the taxpayers and the people of Nashua from issues that might arise from that.

Um I do hear my colleagues' point that we could have another mayor in some future day that uses the flag polls poorly.

I would encourage the city of Nashville to elect a responsible mayor in future years.

We don't have somebody misusing our flagpole.

Alderman Senate.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Um I was hoping if I could um through you to the mayor.

Um just inquired, but one of my constituents was uh here tonight and posed a couple of questions really relative around the intent of this flagpole going forward.

And I was just hoping you could speak a little bit to that, what you foresee um the poll being used for moving forward.

Well, in the same way we've used it for the last few years.

Now the court decision had to do with the policy that was several years old now.

But what we've basically done is we've allowed these national flags, you know, the um Indian independence, Greek independence, Dominican independence, um, and uh the pride flag during the pride celebration.

But beyond that, we really haven't allowed anything else I can think of that has a political slant to it.

Okay, and that's what I would continue to do.

I mean, I think we do not want these controversial political flags up there.

Attorney Bolton?

With all respect, Mr.

Mayor, you haven't allowed anything.

You have determined it is just the cities.

It can only be used by the city.

It's not a question of allowing someone else to use it.

That cannot be done and has not been done.

So we just have to make that clear.

It is not a question of some people are favored and some people are disfavored over the last two almost three years now, that has not been done.

It's not a question of allowing and disallowing.

It's always the city's determination.

Thank you.

Alderman McKelly.

Uh, thank you.

I will echo the comments that if this was deemed unconstitutional, I don't see why you wouldn't support the legislation that makes it constitutional.

Uh I also just want to remind everyone that the work is supposed to be done in committee, and it wasn't there was no discussion.

There were people who asked questions this evening who sit on that committee, did not ask any questions.

I understand not everyone can make it to committee meetings.

It's fine to have a couple of questions, but the work needs to be done in the committee, and I asked Attorney Bolton to be there for questions.

So I would invite you to come to the committee meetings and do the work there, please.

Alderman Chess.

Um I'm I'm open to my my mind being changed, but um, if you don't mind me uh uh responding, uh Alderman Sullivan.

Um from my interpretation of uh having a a different uh city board and mayor who uh might put things up that we don't like uh as it stands now.

Anyone can put something up that we do not like, or am I missing uh am I misinformed there?

Can someone correct me?

I see head shaking.

So I'm incorrect here.

So someone please enlighten me.

Attorney Bolton.

Attorney Bolton.

If this is not passed, anyone can put up anything, and we can't refuse them.

So you will see SWATS Dickens.

Cameron sickle.

All sorts of things that I don't think any one of you would wish to endorse.

All right, that's what that's what I thought.

I must have said it for like that's what I thought it was currently.

So um, I I think it's not that currently because currently in place is a policy adopted by the mayor more than two years ago, and that's what's been followed.

Okay, but this is to correct what the first circuit court of appeals determined on an interim basis.

But they they invited us to close this as a public forum and correct the situation.

That's what this ordinance will do.

Okay.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Okay.

Motion is for final passage.

All those in favor say aye.

I'm sorry.

Opposed?

Nay.

Motion carries.

Okay.

It works.

Ordinance 26 1 is declared duly adopted.

Business unfinished at previous meetings.

Done.

New business resolutions.

First reading of R 26-010, increasing the maximum allowable amount in the snow removal expendable trust fund and making a supplemental appropriation of 500,000 of assigned fund balance into the snow removal expendable trust fund.

Additional sponsors, Alderman Clemens, Alderman Clee, Alderman Tebow.

Did you have your hand up, Alderman O'Brien?

Ah, I'm already on it.

Oh, you're already on it.

Your step ahead.

Okay.

Alderman Senate, Alderman Lopez, and myself, Alderman Kelly.

But uh Madam President, the reason I have my hand up is a point of uh order, uh question through you to the mayor.

Uh Mr.

Mayor, what it's still snowing.

Is this uh mission critical?

I mean, could it go for a second reading tonight?

Um I think it cover quirks.

I think we can wait till let it go through the normal process hearing of a public hearing.

Yeah.

Okay.

Give me its first reading, I'll assign that to the budget committee and schedule a special Board of Alderman public hearing on Monday, February 23rd, 2026 in the Aldermanic Chamber at 7 p.m.

First reading of R 26-011 relative to the acceptance of $15,833 from the New Hampshire Department of Homeland Security into Emergency Management Grant Activity, Smart Hazmat, Fiscal Year 26.

Additional sponsors, Alderman Clay, Alderman Tebow, Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Gregg, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Morgan, Alderman Lopez, myself.

Give me the first reading, I'll send that to the Human Affairs Committee.

First reading of R 26-012 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 600,000 of assigned fund balance into fund number 7064 hydropower reserve fund.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Dowd, myself.

Give me the first reading, I'll send that to the budget review committee and schedule a special Board of Alderman public hearing on Monday, February 23rd, 2026 in the Aldermanic Chamber at 7 p.m.

First reading of R26-013 relative to the supplemental appropriation of 280,000 of assigned fund balance into Department 168 solid waste account number 55520 NHDES surcharge fee.

Additional sponsors.

Additional sponsors.

Given its first reading, I'll send that to the personnel administrative affairs committee.

Period for general public comment.

We have three people signed up.

Chief Buxton.

Good evening, Steve Buxton, Chief of the Fire Department.

Mayor Donchus, Madam President, and members of the Board of Alderman.

On behalf of the men and women of Nashville Fire Rescue, I want to take a moment to sincerely thank you and our residents of our city for the extraordinary outpouring of support following the February 2nd incident at 440 Amherst Street.

In moments like that, when our firefighters are injured doing the work they are sworn to do, the strength of this community becomes very real.

The messages, the concern, and the quiet gestures of kindness reminded our members and their families that they are never alone.

I also want to thank this board for its continued investment in public safety.

The resources, training, and support you provide, allow our firefighters and all of our public safety partners to respond decisively when seconds matter and conditions are at their worst.

That can that commitment directly protects our residents and strengthens our safety in the city.

This incident also reinforced that public safety in Nashua is truly a team effort.

I'm deeply grateful for our partners at the National Police Department, the Office of Emergency Management, the Department of Public Works, the Building Department, AMR Nashua, and most importantly, our local hospitals.

Their professionalism, coordination, and compassion were critical that day and in the days that followed.

I'm encouraged to share that our members, our injured members continue to make progress in their recovery while the investigation into the incident remains ongoing.

What is already clear is the strength of this organization, this city, and this community.

Thank you for standing with us for believing in public safety, most importantly, supporting it appropriately, and for the trust you place in our department each and every day.

Thank you very much.

Good evening, Justin Gerstenfield, 79 Gilson Road.

I just wanted to come up and speak real quick tonight on ordinance 0-26-002.

I wanted to start by saying that I fully support the goal of this change and that we should absolutely make it easier for people with disabilities to participate in our meetings from home.

However, as it's currently written, this ordinance is a bit too one size fits all.

It uses a very specific state law, New Hampshire RSA 26188, which is the law used for disability parking placards.

By using this definition, we are saying that if you have a physical walking disability, you can speak from home, but if you have a different kind of disability, you cannot.

Thinking about our neighbors who might be blind or those with severe hearing loss or residents with chronic illness that make it that may make it dangerous for them to be in a crowded room at night.

Under this ordinance, they are left out.

If we are already setting up the technology to allow remote comment, it doesn't make sense to limit it to just one specific group.

I'm also concerned about the red tape here.

Requiring a resident to mail or drop off their private medical records or a copy of their parking placard to City Hall three days in advance just to speak for two or three minutes is a big hurdle.

I'm asking the board to take a second look at this in the committee, and instead of a narrow rule that only helps some, let's make a broad rule that helps all of our residents with disabilities.

Let's make sure that when we open the door to City Hall for people to make a public comment, we open it wide enough that all of our residents can get through it.

Thank you.

Adam Thompson.

And uh just like the previous speaker just uh spoke on.

Uh I don't think this bill goes, uh, this ordinance goes far enough.

I I think there's a lot of issues that uh uh not just physically disabled people.

Myself, I'm a disabled veteran.

I've been homebound twice in my life.

Uh and having the opportunity to be able to submit online testimony is very important to get their uh people's opinions heard and share their experiences, but just limiting it to somebody who can't walk, it doesn't go far enough.

And if we intentionally legislate or put in an ordinance that specifically targets or enhances one people, we're going to be unfortunately discriminating against others.

So we need to make this sure that this amendment, excuse me, this ordinance goes further to make sure everybody is covered.

Uh I appreciate uh longtime listener, first-time caller.

Thank you guys.

Have a great day.

Thank you.

Remarks my members of the board.

I'll start over here tonight.

Alman Clemens.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um, I I too wanted to just take a moment to uh recognize uh our fire department and the wonderful uh work that they do.

I wanted to thank the men and women there, and I hope for those firefighters who were injured.

I hope they have a speedy uh recovery.

The other thing that I wanted to bring up uh this evening was there was a number of students at Nashua High North and South who walked out of their classes to protest ICE, and I thought that that was an excellent use of their First Amendment rights.

Uh and you know, really we as a community should be proud uh of those students.

We should be proud of the messaging that uh they um are sending uh hopefully to adults who who are listening.

Um the things that are going on across the country uh with with the current administration uh are at best atrocious.

Um we really need people to protest, we need people to speak up, we need people to write their congressmen, uh and and let them know that you know we are not supporting the policies that are in place by the Trump administration anymore.

Um these students stood up for their right, their their first amendment right to say that, and as an adult, I'm listening, I'm here, I have this platform, and I'm using it as well.

So thank you.

Alderman Clee.

Um thank you, Madam President.

I I kind of want to echo my colleagues' words about the students that did the walk out.

Um I I think it's a great exercise of the First Amendment rights.

Um the First Amendment doesn't say that you have to be over 18 in order to have the First Amendment.

So all ages are given this ability.

Um and the one thing that I I want to say is that I think it's commendable that they're learning and taking the time to understand.

I graduated from high school in 1978.

Yes, I'm 65 years old.

Um, and when I graduated in 1978, um, I can tell you the thing that we did not talk about, was not taught, was the Vietnam War.

They didn't even talk about the Korean War, which I find reprehensible.

You know, many years later, I marry a man who is a Vietnam veteran.

I learned more from him about it than I did through school.

I should have learned about it through school, and these students are taking the time to understand current events.

Going through school, that was a current event for me.

We didn't disde-escalate until 1972.

So I went through my entire education without knowing about this.

I worked for the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is where I met Dick, and I learned a lot about our Vietnam veterans.

Um I wished I'd known more before that.

So I I commend these students.

I also want to um say thank you for Chief Buxton for coming and speaking to us.

I think to hear from the top of the chain, so to speak.

Um it it warmed my heart.

And um I I wish there was something I could do for every single one of those men and women who put their life on the line for us.

And this is where our tax dollars go, is it's for these people.

And and I hope that we all understand that.

And I want to make one other comment that was made during the Pennachuk meeting, and that was that um next door, there's a private business that has a private um hydrant, and it wasn't working because they never kept it up and they didn't do the um the proper inspections and so on.

So my message to all those buildings that have their private fire hydrant, please have it inspected annually as we do in the city.

Please have it checked to make sure it's working.

Um, because if that had been your building, your fire hydrant wouldn't have been working.

Um so I I hope that they take that uh point, and I and I hope other businesses who have these take this.

Um when you shake the um, as was spoken to by my uh my other colleague, when you shake that fire hydrant, don't do it so much that you break it.

Um which I don't think you can, but if it moves, when you just try to shake it a little bit, call Penachuk immediately, and they will send someone out.

They have to send for parts and so on.

So thank you, Madam President.

Hold on T Ball.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um I just want to say thanks to our clerk Dan Healy today doing double duty bouncing back and forth.

He did a great job.

Um I want to thank everybody for for voting uh for the Arlington Community Center to be named after Older Woman Timmons.

Um, you know, someone said in a letter, would she want it named after her?

No, she would not, and that's why we're naming it after her, because she would not want it named after her.

So thank you for that.

Um did you guys know we have a national superstar from Nashua that that's playing for Stanford University right now, a Buka or Corey.

He dropped 40 the other night.

This kid is one of the best freshmen in the nation coming from Nashua, Nashville, New Hampshire, and his father Charles, who probably a lot of you have met, uh he does the water walk.

Um and uh this kid is awesome.

And I think he's gonna be drafted, and he's gonna be from Nashua.

Uh my son played with them and they won a junior biddy tournament together.

Um, although not because of my son, it was all a book.

Um he was his first year, so it wasn't him, it was all a BUCA.

But um it's pretty pretty cool to have have someone that that's that good.

Um and I know the mayor's gone out there and he's actually saw him play, so the mayor calls me and I go, uh oh, what's going on with the city now?

And it's hey, did you see a BUKA last night?

He won the game.

So uh that's that's pretty awesome.

Um, you know, I don't fault the kids for for for doing their their uh protest.

I think they should do that that type of stuff.

Unfortunately, I have to tell my kid not to do it because he would be suspended from the the track team, which is going to regionals in a couple weeks.

So, you know, it's it's not for everyone, no matter what they think.

So I think kids can protest any time they want, and they should.

They should owe the large one if they want.

Um, you know, it it's I can't leave work to go protest, right?

And so I think the kids should have a big one somewhere, and they should invite everyone, and we should have a huge one because what's going on in this country right now is worth protesting for, no matter what side you're on.

Things are not right um in this country.

And I think um, you know, as they said in the Super Bowl, love is more powerful than hate.

And I'll leave it there.

Drive safe tonight, everyone, please.

Woldman O'Brien.

Thank you, Madam President.

I I just want to uh say as well, uh you know, my dig admiration and respect for the firefighters and best wishes to them, the ones that were injured after 40 years in the business, you know it happens the exact same thing.

I went through in 2015 at Bluestone Apartment.

We were lucky.

We had the line placed and everything else, and nobody got injured.

But when things go bad when you're a firefighter, by the time you realize that you're already in trouble.

And like I used to tell my guys, don't give a May Day when you're in trouble.

Give me a May Day before you're in trouble, when you think you're in trouble, because it could be out there too late.

But I really wanted to say to the board, this is not abnormal.

This is what these guys base on a daily basis.

Any call can go bad.

Uh so therefore, it's sort of like 9-11 when 383 firefighters died climbing up those towers.

But then, you know, yeah, people still remember, but that's what firemen do.

So I get the deepest respect and to my brothers and sisters, keep the traditions alive.

Thank you.

Alderman Down.

Yeah, I just want to say I uh agree with all my previous aldermatics uh comments.

Uh I'll leave it at that.

The only other thing I want to mention is the school department does have a separate attendance policy for athletes that's different, including the punishments from regular students.

So that's why anybody that's on an athletic team couldn't uh join the protest because they would have been kicked off their teams.

Oh, thank you, Madam President.

Um I wanted to start um by uh commending uh we had a lot of residents in here tonight being sworn in for various committees and ports, and uh honestly it's one of my favorite parts of this job is seeing people step up and commit their time to the city in different ways.

And um, you know, we we had a lot tonight, and we've got a list uh coming ahead of us for reappointment of uh bunch of people who have taken that time and decided I'll do it for a little bit longer.

So I just want to commend all those folks, especially the folks that are still here with us tonight.

Uh I see Wood Seven's own Lou Jerus back there, so special shout out to Lou.

Um I mean, not enough can be said about our fire department, firefighters anywhere that do the job.

Um significantly better people than me.

You you couldn't pay me to do what these people do for probably still not enough money.

So hats off to them.

Best wishes to the uh the injured firefighters and their families.

They their families make that same commitment whenever they uh take up the job.

So uh we're forever indebted to them.

Um can't say enough as well about um the good thing that we did tonight by naming the Arlington Street Community Center for our uh our colleague Gloria.

Um I agree.

Um, because I I remember that question being asked, would she have wanted this?

Absolutely not.

But at the same time, she would have argued with us to the ends of the earth about it, but I feel in the end she would have taken the honor with great humility.

And and I I think we did her and her family a great service tonight, so I'm happy to have been part of that.

And I had one other item, but it's left me, so I'm just gonna uh seed my time.

Thank you so much.

Alden Johnson, thank you.

If you remember, I'll give you some of my time.

Oh no, sweat.

Um I'd like to thank our great firefighters for everything they've done and speedy recovery to firefighters who got injury, injured.

I'd like to make a comment uh regarding Mr.

Thompson and Mr.

Grosstonfield.

Um the reason I wrote this was because last year when I broke my kneecap, I asked to zoom, and I was not given the opportunity to zoom on an ordinance that I helped write regarding the income for married couples exemption.

And I had broken kneecap, and that's why I have my special seat because I couldn't sit on the benches.

So I vowed if I got elected, I was gonna write an ordinance so we could at least start trying to get people with a disability to be able to zoom so they can participate in these meetings.

It's just the beginning, but we had to start somewhere, attorney clock and myself.

The only reason we said that we have was asking for information because we want to make sure that people who were disabled are the ones who are going to Zoom and that other people who could come into the meetings would come in because we don't want to take the opportunity away from people who might be legally blind.

And um I was talking to with Alderman Um Morgan about this earlier.

Um, what else we could do?

So this is just the beginning because I do feel that people who have a walking disability and then who have other disabilities under ADA, we should be able to allow them to zoom.

And that's why this came about, because I couldn't walk last year, and I helped write an ordinance, and I felt I should have had the right to participate and speak on the amount that um our elderly seniors should be able to have exemption, being married and income.

And that was another big thing that I did.

So I thank you both for your participation, and we will work on this because I know I have two of my colleagues here that um voted to be sponsors on it, and it's gonna go to committee, and you're welcome to come to committee and or you can email me or call me and give me your input, and I'll be more than happy to um put it before the committee, and hopefully we can get a good piece of legislation out so we can help people under ADA.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I will echo uh a great thanks to our firefighters.

They do incredible work and uh what could have been a very serious uh emergency was obviously taken very quickly under control.

So grateful for them.

Um I also wanted to share that next week is empty bowls.

It's a great community event that the soup kitchen has partnered with the high schools for a long time.

They actually make um bowls, the ceramic um students make bowls, and then you come in and get soups.

So if you're able to make that, it's Wednesday, February 18th.

There's still tickets online.

Uh you can get tickets at the door if it snows, which it seems to be doing a lot lately.

Um it will be on Thursday, February 19th.

Um, and then I also wanted to weigh in on the protest.

I actually was able to attend the students that put it together, uh, sent me an invite to come, and I was really uh, you know, grateful for the invite and was able to show up and support them.

And I have to say, when the news of that protest hit social media, there was a lot of hate that was put in the comment sections.

And I just want to say on the record that protesting is one of the most critical American rights, and for grown adults to be attacking students for exercising that right is disappointing at best.

But to put the spotlight back where it belongs, they were incredible.

They were so interesting to hear.

They had really beautiful stories, um, and they were so passionate informed.

Uh and I was just proud to be there as an Ashwin.

And I I'll say I I made a sign, and my sign had one word.

And the one word said enough.

And I think this country is in a dire moment, and so much of that is predicated on the ability to divide us.

To make you feel as though the person sitting next to you can't possibly understand what you're saying, that they might be brainwashed, that they're out to get you.

But I have to say that the most important thing I've learned from being a leader in this city is that the best leaders bring people together.

I don't look at the person next to me and immediately put them in a bucket.

They're not a Republican or a Democrat.

I don't care if they went to high school or college, I don't care how they got to this country.

I don't care how they got to this country.

And I think until we start thinking about that and looking at the division that's being sewed, things are going to continue.

So Bad Bunny ended his someone else said this already, but he ended his set at the Super Bowl with two important messages.

He said one was that the only thing more powerful than hate is love.

And the second was together we are America.

And I think if we stand together, if we work together, if we fight this division, then we can really write the next chapter of the United States of America.

Holdman Morgan.

How do you talk after that?

So echo all of my colleagues unthinking fire.

And not just their work this week, but their work every day for the little things that they do for the big things.

And this is you know, we have games and rivalries of police verse fire, and you know, which one do kids want to be when they grow up.

But at the end of the day, they're working together.

And to echo what you said, they're they're finding out ways that we can do that every day.

Um and that is what I love most about Nashua is that people do come together and they do help each other.

So a reminder, yes, we have more snow, yes, we're all sick of it.

Um go outside, help your neighbors if you can, whether it's shoveling it out, shoveling out the fire hydrant, please, um, helping them get the snow off the roof, whatever it may be, bringing in their groceries, just let's go back to helping each other and knowing who our neighbors are.

Um if you do happen to see something that a pl that the plows break or anything else, like a pothole, you can use C click fix.

Just download the app, take the picture, upload it, and it does get fixed.

You can use it to remove graffiti, there's a hundred different things you could use it for.

Um, but it's literally not possible for city um employees to see and be everywhere at every point in time immediately when something happens.

It's on us to help them do that.

Um I did want to echo uh some of what you had said, um Alder Woman Johnson, Alderman Johnson, my apologies.

Um around the ordinance, uh 026-002.

Um every single one of us sitting here today did campaign on City Hall should be more accessible.

And so, Mr.

Mayor, I asked that when you're doing your website redesign that we keep that in mind for submitting testimony um or public comment.

Maybe that is another way that we can make that more accessible for people to to give comment.

Um lastly, Saturday's Valentine's Day, don't forget, and happy president's day.

Where do I get flowers?

Um so first I want to comment on the 440 um gas explosion.

Um I appreciated the emergency alert that went out because everyone in our office, and we I work in proximity to it, uh got the alert.

We followed our evacuation plan, and I was the one who was like, why are we evacuating for a gas league when our building doesn't use gas?

And then like on cue, there's like a boom and a bunch of clouds go up, and I was like, oh, okay.

So we don't always know and what what exactly is going on.

So it is very much appreciated where the communication is there that there is something going on and we need to get out of the way.

Um I also want to comment on the fire at 100 Main Street.

Um that was knocked down very quickly, and that could have been very bad.

Um we've already had a major um fire and displacement um in Ward 4 and um the sprinkler system functioned to my knowledge as well as it should have.

Um there was people displaced and they're being worked with with the Red Cross.

Um and then there are several businesses that were affected, including the escape room.

I cannot for the life of me imagine what it was like for the fire department to go and search the escape rooms, but um it's just the kind of stuff that they have to do, figure out and and maintain.

And to the point of community, I noticed that the restaurant next door sheltered everybody who was displaced from that while it was happening because it was freezing, and it was one degree.

And I give all the respect in the world for Nashville Fire for getting out there and doing what needed to be done regardless of how comfortable it was to do it, but also recognize the businesses that open their arms to those residents.

Um I would encourage everybody who's looking at downtown and what to do over the next couple of weeks, keep those businesses in mind as they try to rebuild and recover, because they could definitely use that shot in the arm that a little extra patronage uh provides.

Um I did want to comment briefly.

Um we were talking about mobility and coming to uh City Hall.

So um as somebody who had to travel here typically travels via bus.

And then last thing um happy Valentine's Day to everybody for those of you who did not remember what your plans were going to be or make those plans um there are still tickets available for Involved Impact's Noche Fuego event which will be Saturday um and we have a couple of spaces left for parents with kids um because we have a kids activity section so if you're interested check out involved impact they're promoting it like crazy so I too would like to thank our firefighters and all first responders um and mutually they they did a fantastic job uh the firefighters that were injured my my sympathies go to them and their families and like you said uh Alderman O'Brien it's not just this time it's every time they go to a call so I appreciate them I also appreciate the fact that we supported the um Arlington Street Community Center being named for Gloria well deserved honor committee announcements Alderman T ball thank you uh president um we have next Thursday not this Thursday next Thursday we have our first planning and economic development meeting um we're gonna have planning probably at all of our meetings until July at least July um and maybe even have multiple meetings because we're going over the coding the the new zone uh the new uh rezone of the city which I ask all aldermen if you're not able to come to our committee to at least watch them or read the minutes because in July we're gonna have this giant new code in front of us we did a lot of work last year but we have a lot of new aldermen and all the women so it's it's critical that uh you guys know what we are voting for in July when that thing comes up and it's like here you go here's the new code um so please uh find a way to uh to at least review it and the codes online so you can look at it um but yeah next Thursday thank you Alderman O'Brien yeah tomorrow night at 7 p.m here in the chamber will be the infrastructure committee joint meeting with the uh police commissioners in reference to the uh the new police uh police department training building that's currently being built so that's a 7 p.m alderman down yes Thursday we have a public hearing uh which we require a quorum of the board of all the men for and followed by budget anyone else no thank you madam president I move uh to adjourn motion is to adjourn all those in favor say aye aye opposed we are adjourned at 848 thank you everyone