The prayer will be offered tonight by City Clerk Dan Healy and Alderman at Large Michael B.

O'Brien will lead us in the pledge to the flag.

Almighty God, we have the high honor and the serious duty to manage the affairs of our beloved city.

Fill us, oh God, with a spirit of unity and understanding, which enables us to face our multiple problems with a serene mind with justice and charity for all, so that any and all decisions made by us will always be for the betterment and greater happiness of all our fellow citizens.

So help us God.

Amen.

I pledge allegiance of the United States of America.

All right, let's start the meeting by taking a roll call attendance.

Alderman Clemens here.

Alderman Clee.

Here.

Alderman Ravan.

Here.

Alderwoman Smith.

Here.

Alderman T of Alderman O'Brien.

Yes.

Alderman Gregg.

Here.

Alderman Dowd.

Present.

Alderman Sullivan.

Alderman Senate.

Here.

Alderman Johnson.

Present.

Alderwoman Kelly.

Here.

Alderman Morgan.

Here.

Alderman Lopez.

Here.

Alderman Wilshire.

Here.

Fourteen present, one absent.

We have a quorum.

Thank you.

Also joining us this evening is Corporation Counsel Steve Bolton.

We can skip right down to recognition period.

None.

Reading minutes of previous meetings.

None.

Communications requiring only procedural actions and written reports from liaisons.

Communication has been received from Wayne, our husband, PE, Senior Traffic Engineer, regarding division of public works, support of pending legislation, O-26-15, no parking on sections of Selena Avenue.

Communication has been received from Lisa Photo, Director of Public Works, regarding referral from Board of Alderman resolutions R-26-43 and R-26-46.

Communication has been received from Sam Durfee, AICP planning manager regarding referral from the Board of Alderman on resolution R-26-047, authorizing amended in restated master development agreement and fourth amendment to purchase and sale agreement with Lansing Melbourne Group LLC regarding NIMCO site in communication has been received from Matthew Sullivan, Community Development Director regarding business and industrial development authority, bid a recommendation R-26-04.

There being no objection, I will accept the communications and place them on file.

Andy Prollman.

I'm an attorney here in Nashua with Prunier and Prolman here on behalf of the Lansing Melbourne group.

And the gist um of what we're talking about is that the Lansing Melbourne group has an agreement with the city to purchase the NIMCO site.

Since that time, since that agreement came into place with the Lansing Melbourne group purchased the property immediately south, the Bagshaw property.

And what that does is it changes the dynamic of what of the vision to build because I don't have the graph uh with me tonight, but if you could picture two buildings, uh one on the Veterans Memorial Parkway and one closer to the river with a public road bisecting them running north and south.

That public road is uh will continue to uh the bagshaw property and creating a a small grid uh neighborhood.

Um, and it's because of the acquisition of the bagshaw property that the uh nature of the build is changing into from one building into two.

Um as noted in your agenda.

We've been to finance, we've been to the planning board, we've been to Vida, all positive recommendations.

Um, and I'm happy to uh answer any questions.

The graph that um community development put together um earlier in the day really does a good job explaining that's a it's a it's a plus for the city, it provides flexibility for the um for the developer, uh, and we're hoping for final passage tonight.

I'd be happy to answer any questions now or later in the meeting.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Eric, I can't Bozanin.

Sorry, I can't read the last name.

Uh hi, my name is Eric.

I'm here to talk about uh the cellular wireless PCS lease thing in Mine Falls Park.

Um so basically, I find it super super ironic that we're allowing uh cellular antenna to be able to camp at Minefalls Park when the city just recently passed a camping ban against people that somehow we value cellular antennas and whatnot that you know have inherent value, but I feel like human life is uh better value than cellular antennas.

And so while we waste uh time, you know, discussing cellular antennas, we still have numerous people that have been forced further into the woods because what we've neglected to identify or recognize is while we pass the camping ban instead of doing the cellular antenna thing.

People are now living further and further into the woods, and we're getting thousand dollar fines.

It's still an ongoing issue that's persistent in the city and town in the neighboring towns that are nearby.

And so, you know, thank you for doing this cellular antenna thing.

I'm sure it's super super important, but again, human lives are more important.

So thank you.

Now we're not gonna have that, we're not gonna have that this evening, or we're not gonna get through this meeting.

So I understand you glad that he spoke, but respect the time of the other people, please.

Tonya Nisley.

You're all set?

All right, yeah, I put my name on the long there.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, communications requiring final approval.

Communication has been received from Mayor Jim Dauntras regarding million-dollar contract award parking garage repair construction management amendment number three.

Alderman Clee.

Thank you, Madam President.

A motion to accept place on file and approve an amendment to the contract with the Whiting Turner Contracting Company to include the build-out and renovation of the parking department office in the Elm Street parking garage in the amount not to exceed 2,300 $320.

$300,000 and twenty dollars.

Funding will be through Department 129 City Buildings Fund Bond slash 81-capital outlay improvements.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye opposed.

May that motion carries.

Communication has been received from Mayor Dontress regarding multi-year contracts, aware software subscription, vector solutions LMG.

Alderman Greg.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion to accept place on file and approve the renewal of a contract with target solutions learning, LLC, DBA vector solutions for the annual renewal of software subscription for Nashua Fire Rescue's online training platform in the amount not to exceed 79,546 dollars and 29 cents.

Funding will be through Department 152 Fire Rescue Fund, General Fund Dash 54 property services.

You've heard the motion.

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries communication has been received from Mayor Donch regarding multi-year contract award collection system flow monitoring.

All the woman Smith.

Page two.

Page two.

Sorry about that.

Um I'd like to place on the um file a motion to accept and um place on file and approval three-year contract with ADS environmental services for the flow monitoring of the collection system and the amount not to exceed $329,500.

Funding will be through the Department 169 wastewater fund, wastewater fund, 55 other services.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Saying none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

That motion carries.

Petitions.

None.

Nominations, appointments, and elections.

None.

Reports of committees.

There being no objection, I'll declare the report of the May 11th, 2026 budget review committee be accepted and placed on file.

Confirmation of mayor's appointments.

None.

Unfinished business resolutions.

Second reading of R 26-038 authorizing the conveyance of discontinued portions of major drive in Spaulding Street.

Alderman O'Brien.

Thank you, Madam President.

I would like to motion for a final passion for a 26-038.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion?

Saying none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Yes.

That motion carries.

Second reading of R-26-043.

Authorizing a fourth amendment to the site lease agreement with new singular wireless PCS LLC regarding the cellular antenna site at Mine Falls Park.

Alderman Clee.

Thank you, Madam President.

I motion for final passage of R26-043.

You've heard the motion, discussion on that motion.

Alderman Lopez.

Was the grid that we received for this meeting the same one that was reviewed in committee?

Seeing no answer.

The grid as I'm looking at it looks like we're splitting this a lesser number of units into two buildings.

So I want to clarify.

This is not different.

You've got the wrong.

Oh, that's why I was looking at you from the I thought this is the Melbourne thing.

I think I skipped ahead.

Well, that's okay.

As long as it isn't have a light on it.

Okay, seeing no further discussion, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

The motion carries.

Second reading of R-26-047.

Authorizing amended and restated master development agreement and fourth amendment to purchase and sale agreement with Lansing Melbourne Group LLC regarding NIMCO site.

Alderman Greg.

Thank you, Madam President.

I'd like to make a motion for final passage of R26047.

You've heard the motion.

Is there discussion on that motion?

Alderman Lopez.

Hopefully this is the right time, but I've been reading the grid, so I was a little distracted.

Is this grid that we were was forwarded to us the same one that was reviewed in committee?

Hopefully to the makers of motion.

Director Hanneman can address that, I think.

Yes.

Uh Liz Hanum, Economic Development Director.

Um we did create this uh because there was uh confusion from the uh legislation that we reviewed in the finance committee.

Um so this is just an easy um cheat sheet to uh the legislation um to the speaker through the chair uh president um to summarize this is are we now putting less units in two buildings director Hanneman?

Um yes so we are instead of putting 254 units we are putting 252 or 242 units so it's 12 less units in two buildings.

Um the reason we're doing that is because um the the LMG, the buyer of the NIMCO property also purchased the bag show property, and we can now do uh an easier grid system um with the streets in the mill yard.

Um so we we need to um cut through that property in order to do that.

So we split it into two buildings and then there'll be two more on the bag shop property so that um it's it's a much easier um system for both our our emergency services and for DPW as well as um the general public Aldman Lopez are the number of affordable housing units the same.

Uh it'll still be 20 percent, uh so I think it's one less unit.

Okay.

Well, just for my part, um I have concerns because I know it wasn't LMG who actually took the contract, but back when we were assessing it and we were doing the RFP, one of the site assessment people said specifically this area in this neighborhood is too nice for the the general public.

He's recommended against using it for low-income or family-based housing.

He said this would be a better appeal for higher-end residents, which obviously I objected to because the thing that brings the appeal is the city park, which is public land, and the last thing I want to do is surround our jewel of a mine falls with luxury housing.

So it looked like it was on a different track.

It looked like we had a vendor who was not trying to do anything like that and was instead focusing on family-based units.

Now it looks like we have space for two buildings instead of looking at let's make sure that we're doing projects that increase the overall housing stock because there's such a need.

Now we're just splitting it in half and making them nicer.

Now I hear that there's advantages for the fire department and grids.

Um I'm not sure I understand that if the buildings are across the street from each other.

I feel like the truck would be able to get to it either way, but I wasn't in the committee, so I didn't see the full you know version of that.

So I have misgivings.

I don't know if I'm the only one.

Would would you all settle in Lopez?

Well, if the record has some clarification, I'd love it.

If you'd like me to address um the units are going by down by 12 units, um, but there's the same minus one number of affordable units in that property.

So we're we're not decreasing the number other than one unit um of affordable units.

Um and it's not um it's not changing the character of the building.

They're not going higher or lower luxury or any of those.

So I I don't um I'm not sure I wasn't here when they did the study that um they said it wasn't good good for affordable, but uh we we did um clarify in the RFP that it was required to have 20% affordable units in that property.

So that is what um we have proposed.

I guess my response without taking up everybody's time is I was hoping for two buildings that would be the same level of capacity because then we'd have twice as much housing for people.

Um and now we're getting two buildings with the same amount, only slightly less.

I appreciate the attention to affordable housing, and that only one unit is lost, but all of the potential units that would have come from another building that would have added on to the project will never happen.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you very much.

Um may I have some questions, please?

Director Hannem?

Of the director.

Yes.

Thank you.

Um this is based on HUD's standards, the with the affordable units.

Correct.

Okay.

And at the meeting, I had asked you, because we're talking about all this housing, I said, who's going to be in the housing?

You said Nashville residents, and I said I wanted to see the data.

Well, today's a full board meeting, and I never got that data from you as to showing me where all these people are coming from in Nashua for all this housing.

I asked that very specific.

I'm not sure that that data exists.

We we we don't we don't require the location of where they moved from.

Um so we don't we don't keep track of that data.

You know, actually may I continue?

Yes.

You can to a certain extent, keep track of data.

If you're if you're asking telling us that these houses are going to be affordable and it's under HUD standard, then you should be able to track something under HUD because isn't HUD going to want some data because you're doing affordable housing.

It's under HUD.

So under HUD standards.

Yep, the housing is different.

Um I I'm not an expert in the HUD um qualifications for affordable, but um they are eligible based on their income, um, not based on where they lived prior.

So um we we don't keep track of that data, and we don't we wouldn't even have that.

Uh it would be the private property owner that is keeping track of where where they're coming from potentially.

Um I don't think they are required to do that.

Can I just summarize this?

The reason I I've asked for this information because all I hear is that there's such a big housing shortage in Nashua.

So I want to know where is everybody coming from to cause this housing shortage, would that we don't have enough apartments, but you could see apartments for rent up on Amherst Street.

You could people call me and tell me this.

So all I want to know is where's everybody coming from that we have such a housing shortage?

And I agree with Alderman Lopez, you know, it's supposed to be affordable.

We're losing um one affordable unit, uh building some different excuse me.

Unfortunately, I was at work when the email came through, and by the time I got home, I didn't get to review everything.

But I'm just gonna say this that if there's information that has to be at a meeting, that that information should come prior to the meeting, maybe the day before, so we get a chance to review because a lot of us do have a job and we work and we can't all be reviewed when we get home from work because we might not know that there's an email waiting for us.

So I would appreciate it, Adam Chim, that um we get information prior to if there's gonna be a change, not the day of or before meeting, that we get to review to give us at least a day so we can digest the information and be able to form questions prior to the meeting.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

Alderman Morgan.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um Dr.

Hannah please, if you wouldn't if you wouldn't mind.

I wanted to clarify a few things from what I've heard from from my colleagues here.

Um is it am I correct that the building isn't built yet?

Correct.

Therefore, we don't know where people are moving from.

Correct.

Because they haven't signed a lease yet.

Correct.

Thank you.

Um next would be that overall this agreement is on this one property, but the same group has purchased other parcels.

So overall there will be an increase in housing.

Yes.

Um, and then my last question would be so that we don't have to go back and forth with this um packet, so to speak, or this amendment, which we did have at our last Board of Alderman meeting in full, so we could review it before now.

Um so my question would be for that one unit.

Could we ask them to add one more additional unit in one of the other properties since we're losing it in this one?

Um way ahead of you.

Uh we uh the the um developer has agreed to carry the 20% units across the bag shop property as well, which they are not required to do.

Um and so we're gonna get probably another 20 to 30 units there as well.

Um we don't have the exact number yet because they they haven't um finished the the plan, but they have agreed um despite not being required, they've agreed to add quite a few more affordable units in that property as well.

Great, thank you.

Yeah.

Alderman Lopez.

With respect, I wish you led with that.

Um is the total higher than on this grid?

Because that was what was bothering me is that it was dropping down.

But if there is going to be more accessibility across two buildings, specifically for that population, then I don't have as much of an objection.

I I apologize.

Uh, we tried to keep these two very separate because we do not have any control over the bag shop property.

Um so I was trying not to include that in the the conversation.

Um, but yes, there they're um we will have 80 percent AMI um for 20 percent of both properties.

Uh so we are looking at probably 75-ish units um of affordable um yet to be finalized, but um uh it does that answer your question?

I think so.

The math is a little bit alarming here because there's two buildings, so do we get more overall or or not?

I know we're I know we're focusing on the first one.

So the the two buildings are just on the NIMCO property.

Um so essentially we're taking the one building and cutting it in half.

So they're not two buildings of the same size as the original uh proposal, they're two buildings at half the size.

So um one building has a hundred and seven units and one building has a hundred and thirty-five units.

Um, and then on the bag shop property, um, there will be additional units, probably about a hundred and thirty-five-ish.

Um, and then potentially a a fourth building on that property.

So uh I did try to keep them separate though, so that um that you just have um NIMCO in front of you.

Okay, it's my fault.

I made a logic leap, and I thought that the two buildings were talking about the two properties when it was two buildings on one, so that makes more sense.

Yes, thank you.

I apologize.

Alderman Senate.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Um through you too, Director uh Hanam.

Do you have any insight into the uh developers' plans in regard to the disbursement of the affordable units within the property?

Um I know that we have heard proposals from developers before where those would be sort of dispersed throughout, so that all families are sort of intermingled with one another, and there's no uh separation of uh low-income housing versus uh market rate.

Um and we've also heard developers that do the exact opposite.

So I was wondering if you had any insight into that.

Um yes.

Uh so we we don't have an official plan yet, um, but they have indicated that they'd like to spread it throughout the building.

Okay.

So um so that it's not just like one floor of affordable units.

Um so um and each building will have the 20%.

It won't be one building with the 20 percent and one building of market rate.

So um we did make sure that that was included in the um amended agreement that that it couldn't be one building of affordable and one building of um market rate, it had to be spread out through the whole thing.

All right, thank you.

Yep.

Further discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed, nay.

That motion carries, and resolution 2647 is declared duly adopted.

Excuse me.

New business resolutions.

Oh, sorry.

Mr.

Clerk.

Um the unfinished business ordinances Oh, I missed one.

So sorry.

Unfinished business ordinances.

Second reading of O 26-015, no parking on sections of Selena Avenue.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you.

I move for final passage of O 26 015, and I'd like to speak on it.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you.

The last time this was brought on on to the board at the original um reading, the first reading, people thought that we would um going to have no parking on Selena RAF.

This only is a little tiny section that has to do with USPS because they cannot back their tractor trailers in.

So I'm asking the board to please vote, and so they can back the tractor trailers in.

Thank you.

Further discussion.

Seeing none, all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

That motion carries an ordinance 2615 is declared duly adopted.

Now new business resolutions.

First reading of R-26-049.

Establishing a homeless services gap analysis committee.

Additional sponsors?

Alderman Clemens, Alderman Clee, Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Smith, Alderman Senate, Alderman Johnson, Alderman Dowd, uh Alderman Morgan, and myself.

Given it's first reading, I'll sign that to the personnel Ministry of Affairs Committee.

First reading of R 26-050 relative to the fiscal year 2026 transfer of 35,000 from Department 194 contingency account 7010 general contingency to Department 109 Civic and Community Activities, Accounting Classification 56, outside agencies for the purpose of providing funding to the Nashua Association for the Elderly.

Additional sponsors Alderman Clemens, Alman Clee, Alderman Thibault, Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Gregg, Alderman Johnson, and myself.

Given its first reading, I will assign that to the budget review committee.

First reading of R-26-051 relative to auctioning tax-deeded property.

Additional sponsors.

New business ordinances.

First reading of O-26-020, allowing overnight on-street parking in ward five from May 1st to October 31st, except on certain main roads.

Additional sponsors.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman Senate.

Given its first reading, I'll assign that to the personnel administrative affairs committee.

First reading of O-26-022 establishing the video display sign overlay district.

Additional sponsors.

Alderman O'Brien, Alderman Greg, Alderman Morgan, Alderman Down.

Given its first reading, I'll send that to the Planning and Economic Development Committee, the planning board, and schedule a public hearing conducted by the Aldermanic Planning and Economic Development Committee on Tuesday, August 18th, 2026, in the Aldermanic Chamber at 7 p.m.

Period for general public comment.

Patrice Noel.

So you come to the microphone, you have give your name and town you reside in, and you have three minutes if you can watch the clock on the front of the clerk's desk.

Hi, my name is Patrice Noel.

I live in Nasha, I'm a national resident.

I'm just here to bring up the issue of homelessness.

We talked about homeless affordable housing.

I'm 71.

Look at my face.

I am on the verge of being homeless.

There is no affordable housing.

I am being evicted for baseless reasons.

And I have also appealed my case to the State Supreme Court representing myself because I can't afford counsel.

Removing the camping thing is a band-aid.

I understand that.

The homeless shelter where they can stay the night is a band-aid because there often are not enough beds.

There's also more affordable housing needed.

I don't know what your definition is of affordable.

When I see ads that say we have affordable apartments for regular complexes, they want $2,000 for a one bedroom.

That is not affordable.

It's desperately needed.

The per capita homeless rate in Nashua, I mean in New Hampshire, excuse me, is 15%.

It's 15 per 10,000 people.

It's in the higher range of the national average.

I would request that you stop the no camping, first of all, increase your beds for the homeless, provide them more access to social services that most of them desperately need.

And a three to five year wait for affordable housing, which is I am facing, or I will be homeless, is unconscionable and inhumane.

So thank you, everybody, for listening.

Excuse me, please don't.

That's not necessary, and you're just cutting into someone else's time.

Be respectful of the other people in the room, please.

Tim Berger Listen.

Hi.

I understand that all of you are here for We need your name and address uh town or city, please.

Teresa Burger Lister, I live here in Nashua.

Okay.

Um thank you, all of you.

I understand the reasons for why people are are righteously upset here, okay.

The pros and cons.

The problem is is that you don't have any real solutions for us, okay, who live here in this town, who who see friends, relatives, or have experienced levels of homelessness.

Um things got to give here because we're people and we've got to go somewhere.

You can push people to the edges of the township, okay, which you have, but they still exist.

I'm asking you to really think about this.

What if this was your son, your daughter?

Or by the grace of God, one of you, you wind up in a situation where you have absolutely no other resource but to live in a car or live in a van or live in an RV, or God forbid a tent.

The worst case scenario.

You see these people in the wintertime freezing.

And yes, they they decline services, okay, because usually maybe the only thing they have left in their life is a pet, and they don't want to give that up.

All right.

They're only not only emotional support, but the only thing that they can cuddle up with at night, they have to have something.

Thank you.

Ben Heaney.

Good evening.

My name is Ben Heaney.

I live here in Ward 5.

Uh, last time we came here to demand the repeal of the survival bans.

I had the opportunity to speak with at least one member of this body.

And I was surprised to learn that members of this board are unaware of the consequences of the survival bans.

Since their passage, residents of this city, your constituents, have been repeatedly woken up in the middle of the night, and rest has come uh become hard to come by.

Some folks who cannot afford anywhere legal to sleep are now hiking miles away from downtown social services to avoid harassment.

Uh but this isn't an option for everybody.

Not everybody is amable, and not everybody can walk that far.

People have had their property destroyed.

Authorities have slashed tents and discarded the victims only personal property.

People have been detained, driven to Manchester against their will and released in Manchester with no easy way home.

The survival bans have done irreparable harm to people who deserve as much dignity as anybody sitting around this horseshoe.

You can repeal the survival bans immediately.

You do not need to appropriate funds.

You do not need to let perfect get in the way of good by endlessly debating next steps.

You can fix this right now for free.

If you don't believe me, I would invite every one of you to engage with those affected by these ordinances and the members of the community who are supporting them.

Thanks.

I'll be around after if anybody wants to talk about, you know, where you can see this stuff in action.

Eve Arnold.

Hello, my name is Eve Arnold, and I am a resident of Nashua in Ward 4.

I'm here tonight to address you as a concerned citizen of Nashua regarding the camping ban and related $1,000 fine.

I was shocked when I first learned of this change.

I have found my city and my neighbors to be kind and welcoming.

This is not a place and a people that I would expect to kick someone while they are down.

Housing is a resource with inelastic demand.

People can cut back on discretionary purchases.

But everyone both needs and deserves housing.

You cannot stop sleeping simply because you have run out of rent money.

As a resident of Nashua's ward 4, I see my neighbors around me struggling.

We are all dangling on the precipice of disaster.

Just one medical bill, job loss, or raise in rent away.

The people in our community who are affected by the camping ban are no different than you and I.

They are simply experiencing circumstances that any of us could so easily experience at any point at all.

The elected officials of Nashua serve the full population of the constituents, not only the ones that you find convenient.

You cannot penalize our citizens out of poverty.

You cannot punish our neighbors out of the housing crisis.

You cannot wish our unhoused population out of sight, out of mind, with no solution other than cruelty.

I urge you to do what is right for Nashua and work to repeal this unfit ban.

Thank you.

Juan Nunes.

Juan Nunes.

No?

Okay.

Crystal Bureau.

No?

Okay.

Matt Goyet.

Hello, I'm Matt, and I live here in Nashua, and I just want to say we're back.

We as the DSA, the unhoused community, and various mutual aid groups across the state are back to say it again.

Repeal the camping ban.

Alder Ben Lopez let you know last month we're not going anywhere.

And this hall is going to be filled with more and more angry people every month that this goes on.

And we're not asking for a marginal, let's create a homelessness committee so we can pretend to do something like it's in the new business today, while months go by and even more unhoused people are fined $1,000 and being locked up for the crime of not having a place to live.

We're asking for the camping ban to be repealed and to solve the actual problem of why these people don't have a place to live in the first place.

Instead of solving that problem, though, of why they don't have a place to live, the solution so far has been, well, let's kick it to the nonprofits and let them deal with it.

As somebody who's in a lot of those organizations, is somebody who's worked at the warming station this winter and has been with these communities.

We all know that that's not a solution, and we wouldn't be needed if we looked at housing as a human right instead of something to be speculated on by private equity companies and as an asset in which its value has to increase at all costs.

Who cares if rent prices keep rising to unsustainable levels that make more and more people homeless?

And look, we've been watching.

Even though we haven't been here at the last two meetings, we at the DSA are carefully looking at the minutes, and we very clearly see the lack of meaningful progress on this.

And look, I know a lot of you on this board don't really care about this issue.

We'd much rather have it be so we don't have to look at homeless people because they're a blight on the community, and that them being able to not afford housing is a moral failing, and maybe they should just work and get a job instead of us just giving them handouts.

Even though that issue has never been solved that way across the whole of human history.

You know, wouldn't it be easier if they just died or we locked them up so we didn't have to deal with them?

Then instead of seeing them as real human beings, our property values can go up and we can make sure that businesses never have to go through the awful experience of seeing an unhoused person near them.

And look, if that seems inflammatory, good.

Now do something.

The resource center has been tabled since April and has been completely taken off the agenda as of this meeting.

All we are getting is the crumbs of a committee that's maybe going to analyze homelessness if they feel up to it.

And if you want suggestions, there's a whole mill building right next to Clock Tower that can be bought and used for actual housing to solve this issue and plenty of other abandoned housing that could be used to solve this issue as well.

Before I end my time, I want to thank Alderman Lopez, Kelly, and Bobby Bagley for actually caring about this issue.

For the rest of you, though, do something, or the DSA will be coming for your seats.

Kevin Boardman.

Hi everyone, I'm uh Kevin Boardman.

I live I uh resident in Nashua at Ward 4, Tom Lopez is my uh uh Alderman rep.

Uh let me just pull up my phone here real quick.

I didn't write anything, but I am gonna call some people out here.

Michael Bryan, John Sullivan, Ben Clemens, Derek T Ball, Patrick Lee, Richard Dell, Lori Wilshire, you all criminalized survival.

Um I don't care what your justification for is it, your backward ass ideal is.

Um people are dying out there.

I know people who are freezing out there.

I volunteer for the free store.

I'm also like Matt, a member of the Democratic Socialist of America.

I know our friend Derek called us terrorists earlier before this meeting started.

How interesting.

Terrorists want people to survive.

Um at the end of the day, right?

I'm 34, I have a full-time job, I have a bachelor's degree.

I am closer to my friend over here than owning a mansion.

The American dream is dead because the people who voted against the camping ban or voted for the camping ban killed it.

So that's blood on your hands, not on mine.

We need to do something to fix it.

Have a good night.

Thank you.

Billy Del Molin.

Sorry if I didn't pronounce that right.

Hi, I'm Billy.

I uh live in Nashua.

Um I just wanted to ask all of you, you know, the whole board of Alderman and everyone here, um, just by ray of uh raise of hands.

How many of you think that housing is a human right?

This is not a this is not a back of the world.

Should uh that people should be able to have somewhere to stay uh safe from the elements, you know, the harsh winters and the blazing summers, uh the rain showers and thunder and hail.

How many people think that people shouldn't have to suffer through that and die?

And more so, not just die, but be robbed of thousands of dollars through fines and then arrested and sent to prison to work in slave labor conditions for 13 cents an hour.

Because slavery isn't abolished, it's it's it's put through uh private prisons.

And that's where you're sending our homeless communities.

And the people that voted to uh enable this camping ban that blocks people from just being in public property, public being uh meaning open to everyone.

Fuck you.

How fucking dare you?

That's against our ordinance.

How dare you?

All right.

Sit down, please.

I I give my time.

Thank you.

If you don't if you want to keep applauding, I'm not gonna keep calling people up.

Thank you.

I'm not from Nashua, I'm from Exeter.

Um, thank you so much for allowing me the chance to speak.

It is um heartbreaking to hear the stories from the folks right here and across Nashua.

But this is not just about Nashua, it's across the state and actually across this country.

I'm really sorry that the federal government is failing us.

I'm sorry that the state government is failing us, and therefore it's falling on the local governments to try to make ends meet with very little.

And the statistics show that someone who is a poor American lives 10 to 15 years less than a rich American.

That is what we have done to this country.

Ten to fifteen years less.

The stress of homelessness, the stress of credit card bills, the stress of not knowing where the next paycheck is coming from has devastating consequences on a human life.

I understand that there are limited resources for Nashua, but you are a powerful body.

You can take your voice to the state house as a community, along with me, Chester, and across the 221 towns and 13 cities, and demand that the state government support the local governments, and that the state government demands that the federal government support the local governments.

Because at the end of the day, there are so many people out there who need our help.

So thank you so much for again giving me this chance.

But remember, a human life is precious, and a rich American cannot live 10 to 15 years more than a poor American, and we cannot allow that system to continue.

That is a really sad statistic.

Thank you.

Eric.

Again, I can't I can't read the writing.

EOZ OIN.

Not here.

Okay.

Rolf Van Fiber.

Yeah, so I think my friends back here with the Democratic Socialists of America have pretty much laid out our points that you need to give your name in your name is Rolf Fenbaber.

I work in Nashua.

I lived in Nashua for a number of months out on the streets.

And perfectly qualified to talk about homelessness in Nashua and defend people who were my neighbors and who are your neighbors today.

If you claim to work for the city of Nashua and you claim to care about the housing crisis, why do you continue to harm people who are suffering from this crisis?

Somebody earlier mentioned that repealing the camping ban would be a band-aid.

A band-aid is something that's meant to actually heal.

The camping ban right now is taking the band-aid off and it's sticking your finger in the wound and rubbing it all around.

What you're doing by repealing the camping ban is deciding to stop actively harming homeless people for at least a moment.

Let them sleep a night without having a cop come up with a flashlight, taking everything they own, arresting them, giving them fines, ruining their life.

They only have so much money.

They're working to survive.

Many of them have jobs.

I had a job the entire time I was homeless, and I could barely get by.

The democratic socialists of America are launching a platform about housing for everybody, so that we can all sleep inside in the winter in New Hampshire.

We're launching a platform about ending police brutality.

We're using the police in Nashua against the poor to protect rich assets so that you don't have to look at a tarp as you drive by and you see an underpass.

Really?

You guys should think about that.

You claim to work for this city.

Please look outside, see the people that you claim to work for, and do it.

Thank you.

Um I'm gonna mess this one up.

Origin Check and Borty.

Sorry, I'm I don't think I got that name well at all.

That's all right.

Welcome.

Thank you.

It has been over seven months since the no camping ordinance has gone into effect.

The housing crisis in Nashua has been reported on for a few years at this point.

I'm not here to admonish uh you uh uh before me for not solving it.

There are no real sustainable single prong solutions, let alone real solutions that leadership before me are interested in engaging with, uh interested in engaging with many of us have long been sober to the fact, which is why bureaucratic barriers or discussion of periodic barriers in response to questions of inefficiency and inefficacy have very little mileage with the folks heated before you until the young left flank, including those of us in the DSA can stack those seats.

The people of Nashua can at least ask for harm mitigation.

It is a brutally low bar.

Instead, initiatives for which public funds have been allocated have been repeatedly sidelined, and on top of all that, Nashua PD has been given free reign effectively to harass the unhoused population of Nashua because they obviously cannot pay these $1,000 fines.

Is this supposed to make it easier for them to uh get out of the situation that they're uh stuck within?

Is it supposed to make their lives any better?

Is it supposed to provide any sort of off ramp?

Right.

There are few belongings are being vandalized by the dogs you've set to take care of them.

This does nothing for them, it does nothing for any of us.

Meanwhile, more and more of us get closer and closer to falling within these same circumstances.

What is what was the objective here?

It's been months, nothing has changed.

People have expressed their opinions to you.

Many of the unhoused within Nashua have come before you, gotten on their knees to you.

Nothing has changed.

What's going on?

What is the objective here?

I see the rest of my time.

Thank you.

Patience Corbett.

Hello, uh, Patience Corbett, Nashua.

Uh obviously I am here with the Democratic Socialists as well, and I will ask you to repeal the camping ban.

However, I do want to comment on an earlier conversation that was in the agenda.

At the last meeting where we gave testimony, we were told the Board of Aldermen cannot do anything about housing.

It was all the federal government.

At this meeting tonight, we learned that there's only 20% of units are going to be affordable housing in this new development.

Well, that is the minimum threshold set by HUD.

You can go beyond that.

You could make it 80% affordable housing.

You can make it 100% affordable housing.

That is the embodiment of this board not being able to act and help the community that it supposedly serves.

You could make more affordable housing, but you want to fill Nashua with a bunch of empty lofts that no one's gonna be able to rent.

So other than just repealing the camping ban, we are going to come for your seats because you are not willing to help this community.

I will assure that everyone who is not willing to serve this community is replaced.

I see my time.

Thank you.

Samson Rachopi.

Good evening.

Forgive me, I usually don't like reading from a laptop, but I have to tonight because I got a lot of things I gotta say.

So my name is Samson Rachapi.

I am a resident of Nashua, and I served as a cavalry scout in the United States Army for just shy of four years.

I deployed to the Horn of Africa and support an operation during freedom.

When I got out of the army, I started questioning whether some of the things that we were taught in public school and some of the things that I was taught in the Army were true.

Things about freedom and our rights, and the things that we are told that we have, I started questioning whether they were real or if they were just things we told each other because they made us feel good inside.

I want to raise a concern about transparency right here in the city.

I've done my homework on this, so I want to be kind of specific on what my issue is.

I filed a right to no request and asked the city for a log of public record requests that were submitted to it.

The city sent me a spreadsheet.

I got all the public record requests that I guess were logged.

On May 20th, Inc.

published a story reporting that it had filed a right to no request to obtain city records about a lead grant program and a personnel matter.

That request would have been filed about mid-May.

Nowhere on that log is the request that was submitted by Inklink.

It's nowhere on there.

It has all the other law uh requests submitted that week in detail, day by day, but the news organization's request is not on there.

I looked, it's just it's not there.

I have no idea what that means.

There may be an innocent explanation.

I don't know what it is.

But when a newspaper says on record that it filed a request, and that request is not on the city's own list of requests provided on the spreadsheet, the public is entitled to ask why.

And there's another thing I can't leave alone.

Right outside, you saw the people protesting an ordinance that lets the city find a person a thousand dollars for the crime of having nowhere to sleep.

I don't think that's a separate issue.

How government treats the people asking hard questions and how it treats the people with the least power of all speaks volumes about its priorities.

A city's character shows up in what it would rather you not see in who it decides to punish.

So I ask this board two things.

Look hard at why so many residents have objections to how the city handles its governance.

And remember that the measure of this city was never how it treats the comfortable.

It's how it treats the person in the tent and the person asking the questions that those in power do not want to answer.

Finally, I just got licensed as an attorney right here in New Hampshire.

So if you're Nashua resident who filed the right to no request, and you feel like you've been stonewalled, you can reach out to me.

Same if you work for the city and you have issues.

No NH corruption at Proton.

Thank you.

Chris Smith.

Yeah, my name is Christopher Smith, and I'm from Nashua.

You know, I seen um.

You know, I'm not really camping, you know, I'm not fishing, I'm not jumping into a lake.

You know, I'm not roasting marshmallows out of campfire.

I'm just trying to sleep, man, you know.

And like some days I get sleep, you know, some like sometimes, you know, it depends if you know, they don't always enforce it, man.

They pick in shoes, they get to pins, but you know, I seen you like you're so animated, like I get you're more important than I am, but I've been in therapy sessions a lot.

Yeah, just let me come on.

You're more important than I am, and I've been in therapy sessions a lot, telling people like I ain't nobody, and I ain't never been nobody.

But I seen you bully somebody on one of the YouTube of these, yes, and then say, and then say, point over to a cognitive say that you can leave that you're much more important than I am, and you've been shaking your head at people the whole time, you know.

Like I get it, you don't care about somebody like me.

Yes, you, and if someone vote for you, they got a screw loose.

Like I would never vote for you.

But you're a jerk.

But anyway, you know what I mean?

Like, shoot, I'm not camping, man.

I'm just trying to sleep, man.

That's it.

Laurie Ordolano.

Laurie Ordolano, Nashua.

The last time I was here, we had a pretty uh zesty conversation, and I'm back for more.

Now, first of all, I want to say, listening to all of this um affordable housing.

I was there four years ago when we had the meeting in the Hunt Building for Mohawk property development, and it came up by Cindy Rosenwald, very upset, that we set our affordable affordable housing at 80% instead of 60%.

And I never understood why we did that.

We made affordable housing much more expensive than it needed to be.

And I know at the time with Mohawk property, the developers said they couldn't do 60% and make enough money.

So they had to go to 80%.

And we've stuck at 80%.

So that's part of your problem.

You really didn't get to where you needed to go.

And beyond affordable housing, you have to look at housing assistance.

And whether it's through how did federal programs is fine, but there's nothing that stops the city from doing more than that, as the uh young woman said.

The other thing is I've raised twice at two meetings I've come to what happened to the resource center.

It went up in flames in April, and then I followed up and said, where are we going with this?

Nobody has followed up in over three months.

You know, that's a priority.

It was uh, you know, a fire burning, and now it's just extinguished and gone.

And I think the board should be asking the administration, what's the list of properties?

What are you looking at, and how are you gonna make this happen?

You never did that.

Regarding transparency at the last meeting, I was really disgusted with my mayor.

You know how I define myself.

I am this city's cunt, and I will always be that.

Okay?

You've and I'm gonna look at you, Miss Um Greg, because at the last meeting that you were here with the mayor, you said that in the end comments that you went to City Hall and people are concerned about being sued over right to knows, and it's not nice to not, you know, to use bad language.

Well, what have you done to talk to the people filing the right to knows?

I can think of ten people you could call and contact.

And I stood in that public comment and I said, I have made suggestion after suggestion for five years on how to improve the situation, and I don't think one suggestion has ever been taken.

Have you ever tried to reach out to me for those suggestions?

Well, I'm just a cunt, so I'm probably not a good one.

But there's other people here that are pretty nice filing them, and they've had the same problems I have.

30 seconds.

You don't talk to anyone.

I'm gonna tell you something.

At the public hearing on the budget, you sat in the front row with Shoshana Kelly, you clapped when the mayor burned me, you laughed when the mayor did his one-liners on Lori Ortolano, you did the mic drop.

You are exactly the kind of bitch I never want to see in a leadership role, ever.

There is nothing between your ears.

Nothing.

And I'm tired of being burned by my city.

You're gonna hear a lot for more from me.

And we're gonna work on an audience on vulgar language because you don't seem to understand what that means, Mr.

Tebow.

Yeah, Stephen Scare.

He isn't cowardly.

He is a power call.

Stephen Scare Nashua, good evening.

I'm here to respond to Derek Thibault's comments to us uh or about us at the last meeting.

He accuses us of brutalizing people because we publicly protest bad child gender medicine and advocate for women's sports and spaces.

I would remind him that he champions an ideology that forces girls to compete against boys, chemically castrates little boys, amputates girls' healthy breasts, and punishes anyone who objects.

Trans activists often scream in our faces when we stand peacefully with signs.

We've been repeatedly assaulted.

I've had someone spit in my face and throw dog poop at me.

That is what hatred looks like, and this is what hatred looks like.

Tebow said that we shun a community because of who they love.

He's mistaken.

We've worked closely with our gay friends at the LGB Courage Coalition to protect children from the gender cult.

Tebow voted that we were thrown out of the Pride Festival for taking photos and that we didn't belong there.

In truth, Beth entered alone with a ticket and was thrown out for politely asking a man at the ACLU table who was masquerading as a woman whether he was a man.

Beth recognizes that if a man can put on a woman costume and demand woman's rights, then women have no sex-based rights.

If Alderman Thibaut disagrees, I challenge him to tell us what a woman is instead of telling the alderman echo chamber how wonderful and loving he is and how hateful we are.

Calling us awful people doesn't change the fact that trans women are men.

During the encounter at Holman, organizer Alyssa O'Mara demanded Beth leave, ostensibly for taking video.

When Beth pointed out that others were taking video and asked where this rule was written, Omaro responded, it doesn't have to be written.

To add to the drama, she had two big strong police officers escort Beth out.

I'm proud of Beth for being escorted out by the police because she stood up for women's rights.

Well behaved women, seldom make history.

Beth and I refuse to live in Tebow's dystopia where women have penises and men get pregnant.

We're chemically castrating little boys who play with dolls and amputating the breast of girls who play in the mud is somehow loving, compassion, and tolerant.

Where truth is hate, light is darkness and darkness light.

And we're not going to shut up as long as the gender cult is here, grooming and mutilating children.

Beth Scare?

I always get this wrong.

Okay.

Beth Scare Nashua.

I was saddened to hear at the last Board of Alderman meeting from Alderman Clee that she has lost relatives who identified as transgender.

My family also experienced a huge loss when our niece going on.

When our niece who identified as transgender passed away, even though she was affirmed by everyone around her.

Many people who have experienced sexual abuse, autism, and other mental health challenges, or the difficulties that can come with being gender nonconforming, come to identify as transgender while searching for relief from their struggles.

Some believe that medical transition will resolve their underlying trauma, but it doesn't address those root causes and can leave people with permanent physical changes, ongoing medical needs, and additional emotional hardship.

We should encourage people who are gender non-conforming to express themselves freely and to feel comfortable in their own bodies.

At the same time, I believe adults should be fully informed about the risks of irreversible medical interventions, and children should not undergo irreversible medical procedures in order to help them fit a gender stereotype.

We should also protect the privacy and safety of women and girls by maintaining female-only locker rooms, bathrooms, and other spaces where they may be especially vulnerable to voyeurism or sexual assault.

Some characterize these concerns as hate, but many people believe they reflect a commitment to protecting women and children.

Consider how many families might have been spared harm if more people had raised concerns about former representative Stacy Lowton rather than overlooking troubling behavior because of Lauten's transgender identity.

In my view, supporting Lawton's political ambitions despite these concerns was a serious mistake that contributed to preventable harm.

I believe we all have a responsibility to speak up when we see risks to the safety of women and children.

What more can each of us do to help protect them?

That concludes our public comment period.

Remarks by members of the board.

I'll start over here.

Aldavin Lopez.

So I want to start with acknowledging the tree trees block party happened this past Saturday.

It was a great event.

We were struggling a little bit because we moved our time, and so a lot of the organizations that have traditionally been part of it had to shift what they were doing or weren't able to do it, but then we had additional people step forward to kind of fill the gap, and to me that's what community is about.

I was asked by the National Independent at one point, what was your favorite year?

And I was like, I don't really have one.

It's like picking your favorite child because every year the block party happens, it's a completely different presentation.

Whether it's we have a uh a headlining band or whether we have a group of uh local musicians or we have freestyle art.

So this was another great one.

I really really liked it.

I don't know what my favorite one is, but um this is definitely up there.

So I just want to thank all the members of the community who made it happen, who pulled it together, um, who kept our streets safe while it was happening.

Um, and I want to thank the city departments that also really helped uh pull it together, um, even though there were a lot of dynamics.

I know City Clerk Healy was trying to wrestle and and uh Roger Ordway were really trying to make sure we had everything uh needed.

Um so to others who are looking to organize those kind of events, I definitely recommend emailing the special events committee, connecting with the city clerk's office.

Um there's a lot of useful guidance and information that the city can give you on having a successful event, and I think the block party is definitely proof of it.

Um with regards to the other comments that were made tonight.

There's a lot of public comment.

Um I think my position on the the camping ban is clear.

Um I also think that that looking at it from a more clear lens in terms of not an all or nothing gamut is important because there are things that we need to keep in mind with the existing ban.

Um I also think that we should be looking at the state level because it wouldn't have flowed down here if the state was actually effective in in its response system.

We in Nashua have managed to handle crises like this.

I would just remind my fellow aldermen that we we've suffered multiple recessions where there were major housing issues and major income and economic issues, and Nashua really did pull through all of those situations.

What we didn't do so great at was the COVID outbreak.

And I can tell you from my experience working in shelters at the time, the state looked at how do we handle all of the people who are unsheltered or homeless during this outbreak?

What would it cost to create overflow shelters and contingency plans?

And they opt to us give out tents.

And I think that did a lot to fan the flames of poverty.

It sent a lot of people out into the deep woods.

Um at one point we started using ARPA money to try to expand the voucher programs that really were inadequate and have been inadequate for years, and then those expired, and we knew that was coming, and we statewide, locally, every level we didn't plan for what would happen when those expired.

And we felt that as a city, we had to actually increase our resources to address it.

So we know this is happening, and we know that's affecting us.

And I appreciate one of the speakers who actually acknowledged that as local aldermen, we are dealing with a larger problem and a larger, more complex situation than any of us thought we signed up for.

The role of being an alderman is really, really personal.

How you act as an alderman and what your priorities are, it reflects us.

Now, I didn't sign up to explain to Steven Scar what a woman is, he keeps asking everybody.

I that's not on my plate.

But I will do whatever I can to help people who are looking to feel included without basing their inclusion on rejecting other people.

I think the block party was a great example of how diversity, where people are different and they don't all agree, like certainly some disagreement about uh different musical priorities and that kind of stuff, um, was was heard, but people came together in the end and they work together.

I think we can do that as a city, and I think we do need to focus on what will achieve a positive end for the most number of people that we can help, while keeping in mind that sometimes we have to help the most vulnerable in order to achieve that end.

Thank you.

Alderman Morgan.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um, I wanted to take a moment and thank every person who came out to speak tonight.

Um I've said this before, and I'll say it now.

While I may not agree with what you say or everything that you say, I promise I will always listen to you and respect what you do have to say because that is the job that I signed up for.

I would also um like to ask you, Madam President, for whether it's a special meeting or something else, where we could educate this board on proper decorum in our behavior because leaders go first, and if we want to be spoken to with respect, we need to start with us.

And I hope that you all would join me in attending that.

Um, and then back to some of the comments that were made about us being in a tough situation, whether it's going on federally or at a state level.

The answer is yes, it is.

And voting matters, who you vote for matters.

There are state primaries that are coming up.

Please go.

Don't just come here and talk to us and beg us for help.

Please help us make those change by electing the right people in the right positions.

Um, and if you're unsure where your polling location is, you can call the clerk's office, they'd be more than happy to help you navigate that and do whatever you need to do to get registered.

Thank you, Madam President.

Uh thank you.

I also wanted to thank everyone who came out to speak.

Um it's been very clear how I feel about this homeless band, and I I find it hard to hear that the stories are lighting up with what I expected would happen.

Um I'm not gonna talk a lot about it because I've talked ad nauseum about it, but there was something that I saw uh this week, and it just really stopped me in my tracks.

And it said uh if you believe in jailing homelessness people homeless people, you already believe that we should pay publicly for people to be housed and fed.

You just think it should be deplorable and tiny and they should feel miserable.

Alderman Johnson.

Thank you very much.

Excuse me, thank you very much.

I would like to thank everybody for coming out.

But before I stop talking about what I really want to do, I just want to say to um Alderman Clemens.

It was such a delight to see your father last week.

And the big hug that I got from him, and being that we and I said to him, we didn't get along at the beginning, he said, Oh, yes, we did, Paula.

But you know what?

It just shows when you can work together, it doesn't matter which side of the aisle you're on, or how what you believe in.

We rolled up our sleeves and we worked together on that board of ed.

And when I ran and became Alderman at large, his father was devastated, you know, and I keep saying to him, we didn't work good together, and he said, Oh, yes, we did.

I just wanted to say that I just love your father, and I think he's great.

And for him to give me that big hug last week, it just made me feel so good to say that people can work together on different sides of the aisle, and I've done it so many times.

But what I want to say here tonight is that I hear everybody, but I wanted to say I agree with you, Alderman Morgan.

And I spoke many times about decorum in this chamber, that we have it on both sides, and that if everybody wants us to respect what they're saying to us, and it should be.

But when someone doesn't go along with your point of view, you shouldn't be sitting there and hissing at them.

Which I heard tonight, you might not agree with the scares, and that's okay, that's their opinion.

And this is what this country is all about.

Our freedom is based on our opinions, and that if we all thought alike, it would be pretty dull in this country.

Very dull.

And so this is their opinion, and this is how they feel about kids that are transgender.

Should we hiss at them?

Because on the other hand, they can hiss at the homeless people, and then we shouldn't have to listen to what you're saying to us tonight.

So respect is a two-way street here.

And I respect from what everybody's saying here, and I've come up with suggestions even before I think we should get rid of the library and make that into the resource center because most of the homeless people are handing are out there to begin with.

I think Elm Street should be used.

We have public buildings here.

You know, and take part of the library and turn it into a library and a resource center.

I think there's possibilities here that we shouldn't look at a building on Mulberry Street for $730,000, spend $900,000 in bonding to put $4.5 million into that.

You can buy a home for less and and have all the area that you need and to be resourced.

You know, we have to think about how we're spending the money here and what's going to be the best actually bang for our buck that if we're going to be helping people.

But when I come here, and I know what I ran for.

I've sat in the seat before, and I'm out there helping my constituents and what five walking all weekend long looking at a property on 247 main Dunstable Road because somebody wanted to buy a Mac Buck Meadow.

I don't spend my time with my family.

I'm out there working with my constituents because that's what I was elected to do at Ward Alderman.

But there's got to be some respect here.

And you come up and you yell at us.

Well, you know, I hear what you're saying, and I think about what can we do for the homeless population, but I have to think also resources, because I'm going to tell you something.

You talk about us being not being everybody not being able to afford.

My taxes are going up eight percent this year.

My husband is out of a job, and he's 78 years old, and I don't talk about this.

I have to be able to afford my house that I don't lose my house that we work so hard for our whole life.

42 years in my house.

We worked for it.

I never asked for anything.

And I give, you know who I give too?

I give to a lot of humane societies.

But you know what?

I'm listening to this, and there has to come to a point here that people have to start sitting down, rolling up their sleeves, and stop yelling and and and spitting at us.

And I think we can move along here.

And it's both ways in this chamber, the people there and us.

If we don't work as a team, we're never going to get any place.

Thank you.

Alderman Senate.

Thank you, Madam President.

I actually didn't have any um plans to speak tonight, but um uh I felt compelled to because of my colleague at large Alderman Morgan's uh comments, and I I would wholeheartedly uh throw my support uh towards at the very least sitting down and reassessing um decorum here in the chamber.

Um there's precious little that we can expect to do about how people come in the public to speak to us.

Um I know I'm the only person who raised my hand to support my colleague Alderman Johnson's um ordinance tonight regarding public comment, but I have long been a proponent of that period being the public's time.

They will come and they will say to us what they wish to say, and at the bare minimum, if I signed up for nothing else, if I signed up for the nights away from my kid and the nights away from my wife and everything else that comes with this job, I signed up to listen to people.

And one of my greatest pet peeves in every walk of life is being spoken over or snickered over, or any verbal or physical indication that somebody is not listening to me.

And I I try to compel to carry myself in a manner that doesn't convey that myself.

I'm not a perfect person, I'm sure I slip up from time to time.

But I make it a point to turn and face the speaker and remain stone-faced.

And I've actually been told that that kind of makes me look cold and uncaring before, but it's I feel like it's better than if I don't agree, letting that come out because whether I agree or not, the speaker has their time.

And it's not my time, it's my time to listen.

And so I think we all, myself included, can do better.

And if it takes a sit-down session for a little self-reflection and introspection, I I would wholeheartedly support that, and I'd like to see it happen if the concerns can't be changed organically.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um, I would like to thank everyone who came out tonight and took advantage of their time to uh have their public speaking comment.

I think it's really important.

I think it's good to hear um the opinions of what's going on.

Of course, we continue to work on this horseshoe looking at what's best for the city.

Um I also wanted to thank uh Mrs.

Orlano for her comments and her um constructive criticism of my uh how I've handled my duties.

Um disagreement is a part of the job, and I welcome it.

Um I also appreciated her meeting with me when I first got elected and extended that invitation um to figure out what we could do uh to maybe find some common ground.

And I would just like to say that if someone feels like they have uh reached out to me and I've not gotten back to them, it certainly wasn't um something that was intentional.

I'm happy to talk to anyone, uh especially if you disagree with me.

We learn when we disagree, and I think that's an important part of this process.

So thank you to everyone who um came out tonight, and you know, I I know I'm not the only one that took notes, and we'll be continuing to look on how we can best serve all of our constituents, Alderman O'Brien.

Uh, thank you, Madam President.

Um we heard from the group to DSA and everything, and uh seems like there's some you know facts, but sometimes untruths.

And in particular, I would hate to think that some of the untruth is being spread by Alderman in this chamber.

We all have been told that the fines for the homeless, if they went to you know, the public health instead of the court.

Well, prove it wrong.

I will happily do that.

Okay.

In other words, get off the rump and bring it forward.

And then I will ask the police department to rectify the original pledge.

No assumptions.

We need to deal in fact.

And from what I understand from Chief Kenny, that was supposed to be the part of the program.

Why do we come to this?

We all remember one little parking lot down in uh uh ward four on Crown Street.

There was guns involved against the homeless.

And I remember the meeting at Dr.

Crisp, and the meeting was universal against them actually taking refuge there.

So what do we listen to?

This is a problem that is beyond Nashua.

It is beyond the Catholic Church and the pine communities of our religious friends.

This is a problem that needs to be addressed federally, and what the state, but yet let's look at the state.

What the charter schools, we have to bust the kids, we have to replicate funds out of our education, so we're depleting from our education resources to supplement the charter schools.

Where does it end?

New Hampshire, I think, when uh number right at the bottom of the battle of uh educating uh children.

I grew up in Boston, at least received a better education.

But we need to do better, and it all costs money.

Now I heard a lot of complaints from the DSA, but I don't see them offering funds or shown us allocation of funds to help solve this problem.

Because I would in a second.

But we all know the solution has got to cost dollars.

And where they gotta come from.

We heard from people that the tax rate is high, and they're afraid before they become homeless.

So can you go back to the taxpayers and look to charge more?

You know, we gotta do something.

And I think it is.

Somebody said, yeah, when you go to vote.

Look what you put up at the State House.

What a clown show.

I was up there for 16 years.

I got off the clown show.

You know, it it is something.

So therefore, and let's look at federally, what gets cut.

So something needs to be done.

Be careful how we vote.

Big things coming up in November.

And I think that's going to be to show if America's gonna get itself right again.

So we shall see.

And maybe with the right people in, we could take care of the homeless.

Because they deserve it.

Thank you.

Alderman Tebow.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um, boy, I've had a good night, huh?

Um so I think for some of the aldermen over there that said that they're okay taking things after five years.

Once you're on the wrong side of something, you'll see how how harsh it is.

We saw Alderman Greg get hit pretty hard tonight for the really the first time.

It it will happen eventually if it hasn't.

Um, the whole uh saying I want to mute, you know, I'm okay with mutilating children and stuff like that is just wrong.

I support trans people, I support uh the LGBTQ community.

Um a piece of one of the meetings that we had here where I spoke positively about the trans community and and and mentioned the the Pride Festival that they mentioned, and uh all of a sudden, you know, after that was posted, I got a text with somebody using the F-word against me.

When I say F-word, I don't mean the F U word.

And so I don't mean get I don't mind getting called names like that, it doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is someone who used that word.

So that means there's someone out there that believes that word is a proper word to use for someone who is gay.

And that word should have been gone a long time ago.

So that that that truly disappoints me to see that.

And if they're truly, you know, okay with the gay community, they're just upset at that people who detransition and that they should not be for people that do stuff like that.

And they should be not promoting that.

But I I just haven't seen that from them.

Um I want to be very clear because all the all the women at Large Kelly called it a homeless ban, it's a camping ban.

And you can twist it, but in the ordinance, it's called a camping ban.

Since I've been here for for five years, I've always voted with up to the camping ban, I've always voted on the side of the homeless.

Everything that's come forward here, whether it's and I've been in Alderman Lopez and Alderman Senate and Alderman ran before me before when he was here before, all knew that I was with them when we were pushing, trying to get the uh warming center earlier.

I've always been on that side.

Truly, it was getting dangerous down at Myan Falls.

If there was a few people there, I would have never been, yeah, let's do a camping ban.

But it was at a point where there was over 100 people and it was dangerous to everybody, including including homeless.

I actually like the word seven, the Crown Hill area.

I thought that was a nice area that they could have stayed in, and it wouldn't have been uh at any of the parks.

But word seven people didn't like that.

So I I mean I'd voted along with whatever people voted for on that, but um so I'm not opposed to letting them stay somewhere, it's just where is the thing.

I don't think the parks were the right answer.

It was getting dangerous down there.

I'm sorry.

I was trying to look out for everybody, including them.

I did go down there and talk to people, and people that were there were saying it was dangerous, people that were living there.

So I'm not anti-homeless, and I'm not the only one here that voted for it, and there's people here that weren't here then that would probably vote for it as well.

But they don't the public doesn't know that yet because we haven't had to vote on it.

I was for maybe uh taking the fine away.

I know them and Kelly, Alderwoman Kelly is trying to to push that through at some point, but being disrespected and bullied into trying to do something is not not the way I I work.

I listen to people, but I'm not gonna listen to somebody yelling at me, swearing at me, demanding, threatening to come to every meeting, come to every meeting.

I'm here, I have to be here, right?

That I mean, that's not the way that at least maybe for some of you it gets you to move the needle, but for me, I don't deal with with bullying.

I don't like that.

Threatening, putting our our picture on telephone poles, that's just not that's not gonna get me to move the needle on this thing.

That's not respectful.

If somebody wants to have a respectful conversation about the homeless and the situation, I'm more than willing to listen to it.

I listened to Bob Keating, and he talked me out of voting for Mulberry Street.

And if I would have voted for Mulberry Street, we'd be on our way to having a resource center, which is something we need, and I'm still for.

But he talked me out of that one because he says the homeless doesn't need that.

So he's always been a proponent of the homeless, so now we're where are we?

We don't have anything, no one's looking for anything, and we don't have a resource center.

It was something we desperately needed, at least to start the process of the first step to trying to get help for the people that need it most.

I was for that.

So if if if people say that they want to come for my seat, run for my seat.

All that's gonna happen, and I'm I'm not I don't feel I'm more important than anyone.

I have a small house, I don't have a huge salary, I only have one salary, three kids, college loans.

I'm not more important than other people.

I don't feel I'm more important than other people.

I didn't run for this for any kind of power, uh, because I don't think it gives me any power.

I can park here for free, I guess when I work.

Uh yay.

Um, so that's not why I'm here.

I was here to help my ward, help the people of Nashua, and most of my votes people would agree with.

And and so I'm sorry, people want to want to come for my seat.

There will be a time when people will vote me out.

Uh they no longer think I'm I'm ready to do the job.

I'm okay with that.

I'm when people are ready to vote me out, vote me out.

But I will tell you right now, if you run, what's gonna end up happening is the Republicans gonna get in this seat.

I'm sorry for the Republicans in the room, but a Republican's gonna get my seat, and I'll tell you right now, they're not gonna allow camping, and they're not gonna allow a lot of other things for the homeless.

So feel free.

I mean, I just but I would prefer less threats, more respect, and as a person, not because I'm an alderman, but just because I'm a human being.

Um, and I will try to give it back as much as I can.

Um as long as we're on the same field, you know, texting me memes is not probably the way to go.

Having a conversation is probably the better way to go.

So that's it.

I mean, we're I think generally we're all on the same side for for the most part.

I think we want to help the homeless, but we need to make sure the city's safe for everyone as well.

So that's where I stand.

Sorry.

Anyone else over here?

Alderman Smith.

Um, yes, uh, good evening.

Um, once again, adding to what some of my colleagues have already said.

I feel like I don't want to repeat a lot of things, but I am very pleased that individuals, you know, attend our meetings and come to our meetings and express themselves, um, especially whatever we would say appropriately, some decorum, I think, is uh is something that we all would appreciate.

I like to try to respect and listen to what everyone is saying, and I think we all should do that.

But I guess I was kind of it's it's hard to take it one way or the other, but individuals saying that they're coming for our seats.

Uh I want to encourage everyone to get involved and to to to volunteer and to be involved in our communities.

I'm here because I wanted to represent my constituents in Ward 6.

I got up off the sofa one day, stopped watching Netflix and said, let me go do something helpful and be useful.

So I I want everyone to do that.

Um so I encourage you to do that.

Not that I want to, I just got here, not that I want to stop being helpful, and I hope that I will be helpful.

But I think we all need to challenge each other to work together to solve the problems in our community.

Most of us are here in Nashville because we want to be here, we live here, we love it here.

And we also don't we want to support everyone.

No one wants individuals to be homeless.

You know, that's not how that's that's just not a good way for anyone to be.

So we all want to work together to find the resources and to make sure that resources are available for everyone.

But you know, things cost money, and unfortunately for us, you know, for those of us who've lived in other states.

I'm a transplant.

I wasn't born here.

I came from other states where they have income taxes.

So there are a lot of other benefits.

If we can find that New Hampshire money tree, or whatever it is, does the federal government have it?

I don't think so.

I don't think it's in the state house because I don't see our state reps um dripping themselves in diamonds and golds or whatever.

But that's what we need to do.

We need to get together to identify the resources so that we can get the facilities that we want.

Um, 20% of housing, that's not enough.

80%, everyone, I feel that everyone should have the right to housing.

Everyone should have the right to have a roof over their head and be protected from the elements.

Everyone should have health, education, um, and housing.

Um, but work with us to make sure that we can get that, and let's identify locations and spaces, and also we we've got to identify funding, whether it's federal funding or state funding.

I can tell you that from what I'm seeing with the city books, we do not have the funding.

We need more funding.

Do we have some funding?

Yes.

Do we have enough funding?

No.

And I think most of us here around the horseshoe are wanting to work with our communities, with our constituents, with each other, to identify funding sources so that we can do what we all want to do, and that is to take care of all of our co-residents, all of our communities.

That's everyone.

So just want to thank everyone for coming out for speaking up and speaking out.

And if you're interested in running for, you know, a city office or state office or whatever office, please do so.

Please be a part of a solution and not a problem.

And you know, name calling and all of that.

Yeah, I guess we could do that.

I work in education, I'm used to hearing bad words.

It's okay.

But at the end of the day, what are we doing to take care of the problem and to take care of each other?

And I want you to know that that's what I'm here for.

So, and I work, we work for you.

You know, that we we we volunteer to do this.

Um, so please work with us and let's be solution oriented.

Thank you.

Alderman Raven, El said.

Uh, thank you, Madam President.

Um, first I want to start off with I did six years as a state rep, and I did I'm nine years here now as an alderman.

Um, five of those years I did simultaneously.

Um so I would work all day in the state house and drive home to be here at night.

Didn't do it for the money.

Um the salary for the state rep is a hundred dollars a year, and you pay taxes on it, you pay for your license plate, your um name batch, your um cards if you want them, and many other things.

So um that hundred dollars doesn't go very far.

The um, but I will admit we do get mileage, so um some have taken advantage of it if you've seen in the in the newspaper, and some have not.

Um the the key here is that there was a person who spoke, and I think she's running for office, and she said that um the city should start working with the state and with the um the federal government.

And I can tell you, as a person who had been up there, the party in charge is the one who makes the decision.

That party right now is in, and I'm gonna use this word very, very honestly our free staters, not just Republicans, they're free staters.

These people are determined that we will succeed from um from the United States.

I was up there when we had a vote for that.

I was shocked that that would come up and it's come up again.

And right now Alderman Gregg is a sitting state rep.

Alderman O'Brien was also a state rep, as he stated for many, many years.

At one point, we had, I think about a quarter of the aldermen that were here were state reps.

They were trying to do both jobs.

And the truth was we hit wall after wall after wall, including the wonderful cap that we talk about, the spending cap.

The spending cap stops us from spending more money than a certain percentage, which is the CPI, I think it's a government CPI, over the previous year's budgets or spending.

That means all money spent.

It doesn't matter where they came from, it doesn't matter if they came from tax dollars or if they came from grants.

Spending is spending.

That really puts a cramp in it.

That means every time that we get a grant, whether it's for homeless, whether it's for a HUD grant or anything else like that, we have to count that towards spending.

Doesn't hit the taxpayers, but we still have to count it towards spending.

This means that if we're not careful, we could actually not be able to accept grants.

And that's really scary.

But that's what this spending cap has done to us, as well as limit how much we can spend every year, which is why we have been playing catch up since I was an alderman trying to pave roads, trying to help build housing, and so on.

Housing, perfect example.

80% versus 60%.

When I first became an alderman, we didn't even have what we call IZ inclusionary zoning.

We put this in, and none of us wanted the 80%.

We truly wanted 60%.

And the reason why we wanted 60% was because it was obviously more affordable.

But many of the developers came through and said, we're not going to build in Nashua.

So you have to work with developers.

These are private people.

We can't force them to do anything.

I know 20 20% of the the properties getting 80% isn't enough, but we are working on bringing that down to 60%.

You may not see it, but it's happening.

It's happening with us changing our zoning laws.

It is happening.

Alderman Moran, who was here, actually got someone who didn't have to, because in downtown, they don't have to do inclusionary zoning.

He actually got them to accept putting in potentially some 60% AMI.

So we do it, but we have to do it on small levels simply because these are private people.

We can only do so much.

It did go down, as one of the previous speakers mentioned.

It went down.

And Alderman Gregg has stepped up, and I know you mocked the the um what she's trying to do.

That was awful to do that.

Because what she's done is she has done a lot of research.

I wish she had spoken about it, but she she's probably being modest and just wants it to work for itself.

She has done a lot of work and realized that if we don't do things properly, we will fail, which is why she is trying to put together a group, and we will discuss this in other meetings.

She is trying to put through a group of nonprofits, of city workers, of all these kind of people, as well as those from the homeless community.

She wants to bring in all voices, and you mocked it because you didn't understand it.

This is why conversations have to happen.

Rather than yelling and screaming at us and using foul language, you are best to talk to us, talk to us individually.

We are not bad people.

Truthfully, you know the comp calls I got?

I didn't get people calling and yelling, unlike what um my colleague received.

I got people calling me saying, Are you okay?

Are you doing okay?

They said, Yes, I am okay.

Someone is going to see that poster with those names on, and they could cause harms.

We have yelled at, you can smile all you want, it's your choice.

And I am grateful, like many of my colleagues have said, that you've come out and spoken because then we can have these conversations and we can do these explanations, and we can work towards doing the right thing.

Just I try to tell my my constituents when they come here and speak to the aldermen, speak with respect.

We listen better when you respect us, and we will respect you.

I know that there was a um an encounter earlier today, and that was sad that it happened.

But this person also is fearful for their children, whose name sees their father's name up there.

You have to think about the long game and not just the attacks.

I also want to say that, and I and I saw that my colleague at large had um mentioned to me in the past about the thousand dollar fines, as much as you have said, and I have questioned the chief time and time again, and he said that while yes, but no nobody has been forced to or required to pay that.

They are trying to work with different organizations.

Because of what was said here, I sent him a message.

I've asked him, did we have we find anybody?

Have we collected them?

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm waiting to hear.

If we have, we can talk to them.

Using the library for resource center, while I respect the person who made that comment, we're gonna get rid of the library.

I don't think so.

We have a lot of students who use this library.

We have a lot of adults, we have a lot of seniors that do it.

We can't use it for a resource center, and I don't think we should just jump into doing the resource center.

That failed.

We have a plan in place to try to find another um another um type of uh a workaround and so on.

Um I apologize here.

Um as far as a commenter who said that um no one ever listens to her, and no one ever does anything.

Well, that's not true.

Since this started in 2018 with her, we have automated the assessment cards to make it easier so people don't have to come in and try to request them.

They're online, and you can see your neighbors, you can see yours, you can see anything.

We also put software together that helped both the community development permits and assessing work together, which before there was a disconnect, something she brought forward, and yes, she was correct.

She we also um have a right to know automated system, and while she doesn't like it, and I understand what her complaints were.

I was in the training with her.

They are trying to make it better.

They are trying to do this, and they've got a workaround.

She doesn't have to use it.

The thing is, we do listen and we do make changes, but when we make those changes, they cost money, and when we spend the money, we get criticized for spending the money.

So this is truly an issue, and I want to end with the fact that we have a state RSA that says there is no camping on public property.

There is a caveat to that, unless given express permission.

We kind of did that when we put up porta potties and so on.

It was implied that we were giving permission, and this is why we had to put the camping ban through, is because it was dangerous, it got out of control, it started with just 20, 25, 30.

Within one week, it went, I believe, from like 50 to 100.

And people died.

There were fires, um, emergency people couldn't get there.

I don't know what the answer is, and obviously neither do you, but we need to work together.

And I would like to hear what Alderman Greg's plan is with this committee, and it will be going to another committee, and we can talk about it then.

Thank you, Madam President.

Alderman Clemens.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

I um want to just say that I appreciate uh everyone coming out this evening.

I voted for the camping ban when it came up.

Uh the reason I voted for it was because, in my opinion, I felt that it was a public uh health crisis, as was mentioned by a couple of different uh aldermen.

Um I I do agree that housing should be a right, health care should be a right.

Um, it's it it's uh it's bigger than this room, it's bigger than everybody in here.

Um I certainly uh you know would be in favor of lowering lowering the fine.

I think you know that certainly is a reasonable thing to do.

As far as the stories that some of the folks you know said they're in public comment, they're concerning to me because I do believe in in due process, I do believe in human rights.

Um, if if somebody is saying that the police came in and they destroyed people's private property, then I'd I personally would like to know.

Uh I'd like to know, you know, because our police officers they wear body cameras, so that should be recorded.

Um, you know, there should be evidence of it, and it should be brought forward.

You should file a police complaint if that happens to you, um, because that's not right.

Um, so I I would encourage anybody who has a bad interaction with the National Police Department to file a complaint.

We have the our officers wear body cameras for a reason.

And and so if that's what's going if you're telling me that that's what's going on, I'm gonna take you at your word, but come forward and do something about it.

Like you said, you know, don't perpetuate rumors, actually do something actionable.

Um I will say that the that Deputy Kenny has said, and I've heard from the police commission, uh, a police commissioner that no one has been jailed because of this ordinance.

Um now, whether they've been fined or not, I I don't have the answer to that, but no one has been jailed.

Um so again, you know, I I we don't have all the answers here.

Um we're not going to, but I appreciate the the dialogue, right?

Because even though I may not agree ultimately in the end that we should repeal the camping ban, I do think that there are things that we can do to make the situation better on the ground for people.

Um, and we can make you know certain we can make certain tweaks to our ordinance to make it better.

And again, if we're alleging that the police are doing things wrong, bring forward the evidence.

We have I feel like that is your right to do that, and you should be doing it, and it benefits everybody, it benefits the public.

You know, now I'm not saying that this any of this stuff happened either.

For anybody who's out there that's supporting the police, I I I think personally, I've never had a bad encounter with the Nashville Police.

Uh I I think they're highly professional people, I think they do a very good job.

But we heard tonight, maybe that's not the case.

And I and I think if that's true, bring forward the evidence, bring forward the complaints.

Um anyway, you know, that um all of that being said, uh, again, uh the last thing I I just wish that we could do is you know, when we're speaking, is have decorum.

Um, we can get our point across without throwing F bombs, using the C word, calling people, derogatory names.

You know, we we we don't there's the English language is a great language.

We should use it.

Don't don't don't uh don't resort to you know tropes, I guess, is the but you know, and and stupid F bombs, because while it may make you feel better, now we have to now the poor guy in the camera room when he puts this on YouTube and he puts it on every they have to put a parental warning on kids are at home, they watch this stuff, they watch it for homework, they do that, you know, they're they're trying to get a trying to do something for their history class or social studies, and now they have to listen to somebody throw out the C word or the F-bomb.

It's like, come on.

Can we be better as a community?

I I I really think we can.

You want to roll your eyes, I roll my eyes at some people.

You want to do that, that's fine.

But let's keep the language to a to it to to something better.

We can be better than that.

The last thing that I want to just state, it's nothing to do with any of this.

Um I want to give sincere thanks to all of my colleagues uh here on the board, um, the legislative staff, the corporation council, uh, the city clerk, a lot of other people in in City Hall, who all gave me their condolences on the passing of my wife this last uh week.

It um you know means a lot to me, and uh she certainly um when I when I saw how many people came out to her to her wake, she certainly had an impact on this city and um and and the people that she uh interacted with.

And so, you know, in in that you know, it's hard for me to be here tonight um because I'm very you know I'm still still grieving.

Um but she would want me to move, she would want me to be here, she would want me to do that.

So that's why I came this evening, and um but i it's all of you here that support me, supported me while I was taking care of her, and we had to do roll call votes for months and months and months.

Um but you know, it it it it really shows that despite any differences we may have, we still have that shared sense of community, camaraderie, and caring.

And I think that's what makes um all of us in Nashua such a special place.

So I I from the bottom of my heart thank you for everything that you have done for me, will do for me, and more importantly, everything that you've done to allow me to give my wife a better life while she was still here.

So thank you.

Committee announcements, Alderman Lopez.

Although there's no legislation on the Human Affairs Committee, um I am working with Director Cummings, uh, and I was working with Director Thibault to accomplish this to get an update on properties and efforts that are being made to look at a resource center.

So I would encourage my fellow aldermen and members of the public to look at the calendar because he hasn't confirmed that he has something to bring yet.

Um but presuming he has something, then next Monday at seven we'll be meeting here in the automatic chamber.

Alder Woman Kelly, uh thank you.

Uh to allow everyone to attend the beautiful week.

We we did not have personnel this month, so everything that was supposed to be a personnel will be taken up in August.

Uh so come on out.

It'll be an exciting meeting.

Committee announcement?

Yeah, I think I have personnel.

I'm not personnel, uh planning and economic development next Tuesday night.

We're probably going over the rest of the zoning code.

Okay.

So I should have done this at the beginning of the meeting, and I did not.

But I would like to have a moment of silence if we could for the passing of Ben Clement's wife, Ashley.

Tomorrow would be her birthday, too.

So could we just have a moment of silence, please.

Thank you.

Alderman Clemens.

Uh thank you.

Uh thank you, Madam President.

Um, give me a give me a moment.

Um I would uh motion that the July 14th, 2026 meeting of the Board of Alderman be adjourned.

Motion is to adjourn.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Nay.

We are adjourned at 9.23 p.m.

Thank you, everyone.