That's uninqualating it in city window.

So it's one that's going to build how we chose to do it.

So only yeah, it's kind of building a later we can about that.

But it's kind of a little different than all the other ones we have.

And since and since we took over this this commission, we have had a lot of help.

We've we've reached out to the city, and we've had um Milan pull up Darlene used to do the lawn herself.

She was in her seventy years old, and she was out there doing the lawn.

We have we have we have um not abated.

I thought abated meant that you um that you painted over it, but that's it's that's not we enclosed it in most places, and um get a little bit more to do, but not most most of it's done.

I think this the downstairs floor is all done.

Maybe yeah, um so we need our electrical upgraded.

We don't have the price the price on the fire alarm system yet.

We're working on that.

Um we had um Rob Henry came in with a few people and they checked it out and then they came to us and said the one of the things we we we should do is we didn't put doors in some of the hallways so that the smoke the smoke um doesn't go up and down.

So we we're already done one of the doors, we're working on it, and it happened to be probably the door that it was originally there, and we got we have one more to do.

Um so we'll we get we that got that going, and we've had some help from what's Gary's last name?

Gary Michael is volunteered as services, so he's come and helped us a little bit, and then I know Bill does a lot of the work.

You do any of the work?

He does a lot of the work.

Um, and I think Mary helps sometimes.

I I tend not to do the work.

I just all right.

Somebody's got a point out.

I just smile a lot.

Um but um one of the things that when David came by, David's last name is what is it?

Yeah, Dave Janishar facilities director.

I just always get his name wrong.

He he thought we should lift up building and then we'd have to recalibrate it and all this, but we found a easier way, but we still don't have the whole the price on that one.

Well, it says 31,000.

Yeah.

Um, I wanted to put a I would love to put an elevator in because if you've ever seen 1770 stairs, I have to hold on to the railings to go up and down them.

Um, and um that but that would that's long time down the road because once we get the joists fixed, then we have to recalibrate the whole building because you can't put a we probably have to put it in the the outside, and if we put it on the outside, then we have to come back to um the historical uh group again and and make see if they'll let us do it because we are we are we have come back here like the windows that we we have to do them that way and um the painting I don't I don't think we have to, but it makes sense.

Um anything else on that page.

Oh, encapsulation, that was the word I was thinking of.

I always thought abatement was the word um funding challenges.

So funding additional 35,000 dollars in annual operation expenses would get us through the year, however, that's not the way the grant work the uh trust works.

Uh evaluating the about the part another part-time assistant house manager, so that she's not there all the time.

Um maintenance projects, not not the big ones, not the capital improvements, but the day-to-day ones, emergencies.

We don't have any money for that anymore.

Um so we we've talked about options with um Colin, and I'm not I I wasn't at the last meeting, so I'm not sure who else was there.

But we see three options.

One is that we fixed this place up, and Jean Marie knows it's in the she came at perfect location.

She thought it was great.

The guys were going in and out, they could walk anywhere.

Um but that was one that we would keep it, and we we would need help with that.

The other option is that we sell that and buy something that's already in good shape.

And we did find a few places like that.

You know, there was one on Elliott Street, there was uh one on Mill Street, and they were probably the same amount of money, but they were also in in okay shape.

You know, one of the one of the places we looked at that's not available, uh, has had has an elevator in it.

Um, and it's also a little off the off the beaten path.

So that's the second option.

The third one, and we talked about this a little, was to turn the program over to a community agency, like um church church community corporation.

And we've talked to them and they might be interested.

But those are the those to me are the are the three options.

Uh, and um the the only other option is to eliminate it all together, and we don't have that as an option.

Limit it all together and go through the courts and the we don't want that.

We're very passionate about this.

So if you look in the oh, I didn't go to the next one, did I?

That first option, as you say, we need a lot of help.

We would need a lot of help.

And that's that's why we're part of why we're coming to you is that the house has been over the years.

First of all, the group they were under the radar.

And uh once we took over, it was like oh open meeting laws and all that stuff, and getting three three um proposals before doing something.

So yeah, we and we we've been doing it fine.

Today our friend Chris was a little concerned that we had a meeting without having it done right.

We went to went to the we was usually have it on Wednesday, but I switched it to to today because we were gonna be here anyway, and uh huh.

And I yeah, I Rachel posts it for me.

I send it to her to poster out, and then I go to uh Secretary of State, do my thing, they tell me I'm ready.

So we're so far so far in the past four and a half years, it's worked.

Although I unfortunately found out that open by the open house um open open meeting laws, you can no longer do Zoom.

So what happened was I was sick one time, I think I had COVID, and I did went over the phone, and when we had the workshop here, I said, so I called in, we talked, and then we voted.

He says, Oh no.

Says you can call in, but you can't talk.

No, so much for that.

So anyway, and we have a small group, so we did have enough.

I think what what is it uh two-thirds?

Well, there's only five of us, so if more than more than one, yeah, we're yeah, you can have two people.

Um but I hate them making decisions without my help.

Um so the these are the options.

They're all down here.

Um we would like to become a 501c3, but I think Jim, you told us there's a reason why we can't.

No, no, and okay, but there's a process to go through to become a 501c3.

You have to you know apply with the IRS and right.

I do know that process to do that, but but oh but that would be okay.

I I wouldn't, I I'm not a lawyer.

I wouldn't give I wouldn't give that advice.

Yeah, you there was some kind of thing, something about the sticky wicket about that almost all your options other than the continuing the way you know the city helping general support and require probably what they call what we have friendly suit here in core and side, which will be say that the original end stay said no longer no longer viable need to change the middle and involved in the community department by the C3, however, ask you that we're involved in it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's a no when the and you have some it's a lot of it but the isn't an uncommon plus through attempt to get exposed to what was wanted to do.

I know you're talking about it's comment and we're a government.

We uh we have certain laws um type issues.

Um you have that is still there's a lot, yeah.

Well, it's it's it's kind of sad that remember when I first started some parties to go running off on Wednesdays at this moment.

That's what he said.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that and that's that's what what's kind of happened.

That's why we're coming to you with these, what we think are options.

Um if you go to the last one here.

These are our recommendations to continue to operate our personal, we would like to continue up operate Henderson Home at 14 Clock Street as a city program under the management of the Henderson Home Commission.

And of course, that would mean we would need some extra funding.

Uh they want to, and we would love to increase the uh the principal in the time that the over the time for the annual disbursement.

Um current capital improvements over two years, which if we become 501c3, we probably would probably really be up for some good grants, and engage the city of Newport Department of Resilience and Sustainability and identifying and managing grant requests in support of future operating projects and future capital improvements.

So basically that's what we would like to recommend, and that's some of the ideas, and I just cut a couple of I'm sorry.

That's all right.

A couple of questions.

So considering that the fact that this is only for men, and if we were to change, if we were to do anything, do would that have to change?

Is that something that is or are we kind of grandfathered in that way?

Uh how does that work?

It depends what the changes are.

And um, you know, if it was if we decided to open it up to anyone, you probably would need some direction on that.

That's a change because the will clearly says for but if let's say it was sold, let's say the city sold it and bought another house, would they have to go by the same will, or is that would that change?

Yes, you would part of the will makes it sound like you could do another house.

Okay.

Yeah, you would well you would have to in that particular case, depending on what you're doing, a lot of it all depends on if you uh on that, you're probably okay if you do that, but you know, whether that's advisable, but I I would throw something out, maybe because you had there's a lot of issues here, you really got to consider this is a city, and I think because of who you've had there in terms of the the caretaker, not well, the the innkeeper there, the commission members who have been who have been very, you know, diligent.

I mean, yeah, and that nothing bad has ever happened there, but we are we are providing housing to elderly people in a 1776 building, and the only reason why it probably hasn't been shut down is because it's been grandfathered in and we don't have to abide by ADA, the fire codes, the life safety codes and all that, but is that a visible?

And if something happens here to somebody, uh the fact that the building is in that type of shape with those stairs, you have a negligence standard that says, you know, you owe a duty to them to have a safe place, safe um free of defects, and it's a foreseeable so could someone foresee something happening to one of them based on the condition of the building, and if you can, and there's a breach, there's you know, you have some liabilities issues here because of the nature of it.

The fire department, when we just talked to Rob, he said that they've checked it out, and the windows on the on the second floor, they can get help people out through there.

That that's what he said.

That sounds like well, not just that.

I'm just talking about the narrow stairs, oh yeah, yeah, they're steep, and you've got elderly people in there.

So I mean, my concerns on a lot of this would be the liability city on a lot of levels because we're dealing with something that's really outdated.

And and because over the um since since we started the meetings with the mayor, um, that's that's come up before, and nobody could actually promise us that we wouldn't be personally sued.

So we now have director and uh we pay for it every year now ourselves.

The directors and offices insurance, it's worth it because it keeps me from saying I don't want to lose my house.

So we did get we did get our own, and that's that's again that comes out of the uh annual budget.

I I forget how much it is, but it would it's worth having, it's worth having a piece of mind.

But you're right.

If if something happens, they are gonna you might be named, but they're coming after the city.

Oh the city would provide a defense to you as long as that you weren't one of those that actually you know, maybe intentionally caused uh a problem there or something, but I would never but yeah, no, but that that's what we got it just in case, just to feel better.

Can I just make one other suggestion about just thinking suppose it was sold?

And suppose the with the trust and the money from that and the city kept the commission along like the you know, advising the city that they kept the trust money in there and then it provided money to certain causes along these lines instead of having this outdated building and it's going to be you know the money that would have to be drained, you know, if we especially if the city has to fund that.

I mean, is that something you could do?

We could go into superior court on that friendly suit, probably get permission to do that, set up put that trust and find new purposes for that money.

Maybe it could be for almost the same thing, but maybe you know you pay for certain uh help of facility that provides for indigenous people and and and and does it that way.

And that was kind of one of our that was the third option, more or less to figure out that kind of setup.

But it's up to the council, but yeah, I know.

Um and then we we did have one of the neighbors who has BMBs on that street, would says he would like to have the but like to like to buy it, but that's fine and good.

I don't think he has any idea.

I don't think he's been inside, knows how much work it is.

But that's pretty much the where we're at now.

The other thing I want to say I found this, it's in 1948.

It must have been a re it's a manual.

I don't know why 48.

I don't know if it's the same thing that was before.

It doesn't really share that information, but we and I've talked to Chris about this before.

We want to make some changes in it, and I it looks to me like one of the changes might be that we could have women there.

One of the um the couple of others were how we don't have anything here about evictions.

And that is can be an issue.

We had an issue like that, somebody who really didn't belong there, and and I was really worried about my house, you know.

But um, so yeah, we we want to look at this.

It's it's a kind of very vague, some of the things are very vague, but that's next on our agenda.

But that's it.

Doesn't you have questions for us?

Yeah, um, the people who live there are they uh generally like old new porters or where do they come from other communities?

Sorry, are they generally old new porters or just supposed to be renewed for at least five years?

Okay, and are they have they been living in in the city for a long time?

Is that are they generally um longer than five years?

All of them right now have been here for a long time.

Okay.

Is there a wait list to to is there a wait list uh of people to no because we we we I I mean I did have a man that was interested and he changed his mind.

Um but we don't really have a wait list right now.

We have one more space.

Okay.

If church community housing were interested in it, would they want to run the house or would they put those residents in another facility that they own?

That that didn't come up when they had the meeting.

I wasn't at that meeting.

Mary, were you at that meeting?

Yeah, there were a couple of different options that wow.

Build a new home.

Uh and our guys say they're uh accept five street.

Um there was also some partitioning of the property that was discussed, try to take advantage of the back portion.

Um perhaps put a secondary structure almost like an ADU.

Um, but that would have required uh an easement with the dental office that's um is it Marsh Street?

Forget the name of the street.

Spring Street Mills.

What's that?

Spring Street at Spring Street, yeah.

Um so that idea came up as well.

There is limitations to the number of stories you can put in a historic district, so that limits the type of building that can be done there.

So that that but that was also discussed.

But there's a number of ways to skin that cat.

Uh it's it's but only I think one or two of them logically would have made sense.

Any other questions?

Comment it's so unique, and I just have to say it's it's just unique for uh who are boarding house old time house is outdated.

There there isn't there is an easy button, but it's expensive.

The easy button is you basically dump a billion dollars into the trust that solves your that solves your operating liquidity problem at least for the next 50 years, and then you dump about $800,000, maybe a million if you want to include an elevator into capital.

So with a stroke of a pen, council could fix a lot of problems overnight.

But I know that that is that is an almost impossible choice to be made for six elderly residents, maximum seven when juxtaposed with the rest of the city's pressing challenge.

So if that is not to be the solution, um what we're looking for, I know what the commitment I don't want to speak for the commission, but I know why we're here is to seek guidance from the council on whether that's viable.

Uh perhaps whether some sort of um incremental capital fund can be set up over the course of ten years to try to build up a bit of a fund, start increasing the operating balance so that the the you know the interest income is able to keep up.

Um but if if not um then as as the city solicitor mentioned, we do continue to have this persistent liability, you know, um bugaboo hanging over us.

And this is in you know, in the backdrop of significant fire that happened not that far up the road in Fall River, um not that long ago.

I think it was in December.

Um you know, I speak for myself as the manager, but I don't want Newport to be that next headline.

And and certainly that now that wasn't a city of Fall River um facility, I believe private.

We have been working very closely with the fire department doing everything.

Yeah, the new commission at the overactive and built uh uh general equipment have a relationship with them in the building and uh building inspector and they've had an early relationship, the fire department, which is ongoing, yes, to make very concernable so we have an ongoing relationship with public whatever suggestions that they're responsible, media.

It's well, I mean, well run, but my only concern should the municipality be involved in it's really not something municipalities are probably good at.

You know, there are we have assisted live, and we have nursing homes, we have facilities for older uh elderly housing, housing authority and all that that know how to do this and have the facilities.

And unfortunately, we don't have enough room for all of them out there in those places.

We some of our people are on a list, 28, 52, you know, they're on the list, but they've kind of given up, you know.

That's why I said we have the two that have been here for a long time.

They are very happy and very comfortable to stay there forever.

Um, but the others maybe, maybe, and they really aren't committed to being there, but they appreciate that they're there, and they would they'd go into someplace else if they had it.

But we had one young man who not he wasn't young.

He wasn't as old as me.

Yeah, yeah, compared to them.

Um, and he we tried for so long with all these organizations to get him a place, and he finally got a place after a a year of us working with different agencies because he just was not he needed to go because he he he wouldn't take care of himself well anymore.

And uh that's not and I I had to I always had to talk to Melinda.

That's not your job.

That's not your job, you know, because she would always try to take care of them.

these organizations to get him a place and he finally finally got a place after a a year of us working with different agencies because he just was not he needed to go because he he he wouldn't take care of himself well anymore and uh that's not and I I had to I always had to talk to Melinda that's not your job that's not your job you know because she would always try to to to take care of them um but that her job is different than being a nurse how um important is it for them to be in walking distance to places downtown right yeah that's the magic right some of the gentlemen would have good oops yeah and they're well known to a lot of people and some of them some of the people I've talked to said oh yeah I know Fern and oh yeah yeah he's great he comes to see us oh and so that that's one that's one thing about it it's a home for them downtown yeah Jim is there a way to um somehow provide additional funding through that trust for them to make the kinds of changes they have to make to accommodate men in that you shake your head no Chris no no I know well I I did so we did talk about that but but what would happen is if if the capital be was to be funded through the trust so that trust is at about 1.7 million right now right and that annually let's say roughly that's going to be an annual disbursement coming to the Henderson home for about 65000.

Okay right so if we take the let's say 2500 right out of that trust that 65 thousand will turn into maybe 58000 right we use that amount so so it it it's it and without consulting with Chris I think that would be a council decision to say hey you know we can we can dip into the trust for capital needs right um but then how are we going to maintain that corpus right right then that makes her operating annual operating that much more challenging so I think I think yes there is a way with like I said without consulting I think we recognize the value of that building right um I do like the idea the intent was to take care of seven men I yeah I'm not into all the rest of it but that was the intent and I think that intent should be honored um I'm not trying to say it it it can't I mean it right came from private right funding right I haven't um looked at it completely but I'm just saying as you get on the trust was created you know funded you know 125 years ago so it just it loses you know some type of um as time moves on is conditions and circumstances have changed so absolutely and my concern yeah with the building itself just going through there really was the narrow staircase you know um if you've ever been to Plymouth Rock Women the stair even though they're a little older those are the kind of stairs that they have there like yeah but I we do have a um one of the chairlifts but they don't use it well yeah and it was anything like the one here oh my but that's why we got an elevator I wouldn't have share lift once and I thought it was like taking my own life in my hand consultant and he didn't find does a lot of work on a historic didn't find an area until house an elevator and also I I wanted to ask that yeah okay just be a pulley because well the advantages are small right so they would actually include because that's what it would make different what would you have to have allow a a wheelchair in there well that would have to well we we don't want to have people in wheelchairs unless they're self-sufficient.

Right.

Maybe, but yeah, it would be big enough for that.

It just wouldn't carry.

Yeah.

Right.

But that ever since the beginning, that was one of my thoughts, and I I have no way of getting reaching that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But they can be in a wheelchair and be independent.

But you know what?

The way the house is now as far as the rooms with the rooms even.

Right.

And the doorways and it's what I meant.

Everything that's right.

Right.

I mean, those are really special needs when it gets to that point.

And it it's more burdensome.

How much of the option of uh selling the property and finding a new house been drilled into it besides just the Zillows.

We have that was we have looked at some places and then we find as a group, it was decided.

Um I think mo everybody um that we would like to stay there if that's possible.

Um but how how but how much of a like the research like um well but do we do is there information that we would be able to uh Terry is Terry's last name?

She's work with us a little on it, but we haven't really gone that far with it because we we we knew we were gonna be coming eventually becoming here to hear what everybody wants.

So we don't want to you don't want to put a lot of work.

I mean, I've gone to a number of places and and they've been great, but and they probably would cost the same as us selling that place.

Right.

Um but we haven't really we're waiting to hear we want to hear from you people.

I mean it's viable.

It's via it's for for me.

I mean that would be a big part of information I have to see what these options are.

Yeah, and that it and we have checked it out a little, but it seems like we could because we looked at one of the places I looked at was on Mill Street.

It would it would it would be about I think it was one point five.

I forget which number it was fourteen or something.

And I because I'm going in there and I'm looking at it and seeing, oh yeah, so this second floor, we can make that into three bedrooms.

The both the the first floor probably have two bedrooms in the upstairs, you could probably have two bedrooms.

So it was like, oh yeah, I can you can do that, probably even have more because you don't have to have all the living rooms if you you know, because it used to be a two.

Um, you know, the people right now I think the people who live there, it's on the three different floors.

They ha and it had a driveway, that was a biggie.

Um but it would probably be an even trade by the time you do the work inside that you have to do and all of that, right?

That's what I was think I was thinking, and and then we the place on Elliott place.

Did you look at that one?

No, I think I think maybe Jack did same kind of thing.

And we also investigated the property to be honest, because of it personally confidentially.

But it was perfect.

It's not there, but on the bus room value would probably uh but you suspect that I can't say anything.

Oh yeah.

What they're playing in wilds or something that's they don't want like out of my backyard, yeah.

Oh my god.

Yeah, we'd love to a little bit more.

We just yeah, look at I think I I I mean again my perspective is I would get as much information on these if it even just those seven or there might maybe other ones, but I would have at least get as much information as possible because that's the only way we can actually come up with it.

Try the best decision all around.

Even to further explore the one you think is so ideal.

It's unfortunately I don't think they I think they decided not to sell it right now.

I think that was one of the things.

Okay.

Or even to you have a meeting with church community housing to talk to them about church community.

But I know, but for for them to come before the council to talk about it.

You know, because it is such a location.

Yeah.

And uh and small and friendly and used for men only.

I have a little bit of uh issue with them going to church community or any other larger, you know, because I'm sure that most of your residents enjoy the company of the other residents, you know.

Um they have their own little living room.

Yeah.

I go and visit them sometimes and they're all watching television.

I set up a set up a jigsaw puzzle table, but that I didn't really take off.

Yeah, I didn't have family.

Yeah.

My grandfather lived there when I was five.

My father passed away at nine.

I moved in at the came at nine mother band.

Right.

Wow.

That's amazing.

Yeah, well, very cool.

All these men, none of them really have family.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They have a dumb question.

Is there questions?

Didn't you ever hear that?

Is this true?

True.

Um, is there an opportunity to partner with the Edward King House to help with things?

I don't know how that would work.

That's that's why I thought maybe it was a dumb question, but I figured I'd yeah, I could check on that.

I mean that out there.

They don't really have the resources to like put money into it or anything like that.

Right, but um I'm wondering if they if there's an opportunity to help with maybe some fundraising, because I know that that we talked at one point about the potential, yeah, emissions to fundraise 501c3 fundraising, they don't get tax write off.

So we don't you you know you don't usually get as many people come.

Gotcha.

Okay.

We did have an interesting product how in that still easiest way for them because they have finding them.

It's actually at that so that would be some kind of hands of uh you mean for the current participants, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Right.

I don't require self-in the on those words.

That's saying they could be a building build could you explore that further?

I think we need to to look into something like that, yeah.

Yeah.

You were surprised by yeah, it I am too.

But it does make well, no, it makes sense because I've you know I've been involved in some of their well, that's habitat for humanity, but church community, I know I can help build it.

Church community does a great job.

I just was concerned about the um feeling that you get when you go to you know, it's small enough that they they you know it's their home.

It's their home.

They're not with a big apartment complex or something.

Senior house.

Right.

Right, right.

Yes.

But that's a good fraternity.

Almost like a built to delta Kai Newport.

Yeah.

Um, I yeah, but I I kind of like the idea of like creating a new home.

Yeah, let's say.

Um, and it looked that could you know, but that'd be an interesting idea.

I'm not saying that it would work.

Just notionally, Chris.

How do you I mean I right to say that in a situation like that through a Psypre action in Superior Court, the Henderson I'm sorry, the uh church community housing would essentially become the new trustee for the Henderson Home Trust.

Have the authority then to sell the property and to use those profits to partially offset the cost of the construction of a new facility, and then they take on they take over the mission from there forward.

But I don't think that kind of lay that out right.

I don't think church community wanted to run the property.

They just wanted to build the building.

Well, maybe okay, that that might be one okay.

I wasn't there, so it might be an odd relationship.

Sounds like all of it.

Yeah, I'd like to find out more about that.

Yeah, we'll get as an option.

Okay.

What kind of time frame are we looking at?

church community wanted to run the run it they just wanted to build the build the maybe okay that that might be one okay I wasn't there so it might be wrong it's an odd relationship you'll define sounds like all of it yeah I'd like to find out more about that yeah we'll get as an option okay what kind of time frame are we looking at you have in mind what kind of what time it's been a hundred well yeah I would just build a room in a day or whatever um we'll just start go going at it I mean we we'll start we can inquire into that property then we can't mention uh that that we're gonna need it so is the location central for these people is it's on the bus route okay so it should be a little different for some but sure it's okay okay i if you do look into that you have to address the issue of there's gonna be a sale with the purchase of more property to substitute property who's going to own it who's going to run it yeah um on that and and so I mean you can do all of this at the same time I'm just saying keep that in mind while you're doing doing that work well because those are some of the the issues you know uh on that but um uh yeah it's it's a you can use some ingenuity and and who knows something might fall into place.

Oh that would be wonderful but um well thank you for listening to what I gotta Chris and this might be long lines of steps it might be a dumb question but no dumb questions how does this differ from having more than five unrelated people living in the same house they're not gonna party they told us that it's a that is an issue of wherever you go if it's a boarding house then that's a that's a use in the um well but it might be it might fall under I don't think we call them boarding houses but what's there right now is a pre-existing use so it's fine but if we go somewhere else we're gonna be the boarding house I'd have to see what where it would fall in the zoning um you know if you got six seven you know five and under we might could fall under some type of multi uh well wouldn't be multifamily but it I think it's gonna fall into whatever we classify as a boarding house now rooming house boarding house or whatever one of the if we're gonna do seven yeah they said one of the places it was three uh three family so you even though they think it would work um but then I don't know about the others one of the one of the ones we looked at um was already set up there were a lot of originally a lot of people in there and I think it was more more than five but I'm not sure outside of grants is there any other state or federal funding opportunities well that's we don't we don't have any better because we're not a 501c3 there's I'm sorry go ahead Colin I was gonna say that we that's actually something we talked about in one of our meetings about nine or months ago uh the philanthropic community becomes an attractive source for grants but then again when you go to someone like a Van Bier and uh foundation or a McBean uh they look it it's it's difficult for them to get their arms wrapped around the fact that they're ultimately putting a lot of money into a really old house for seven people and so it just it's just not really attract it's really not attractive to a grand tour um yeah you know so could there be some opportunities out there through the philanthropic community perhaps but it's certainly not something I would bank on yeah I I I all I was gonna say is it potentially if if that grant if you were to pursue a grant I'd have to go before council so that that's that's that's all I was gonna say a lot of city city board so it's a city profit and really five that's the same tax uh doesn't mean we checked with a few places and they they said no but what no they we were in a 501c through there but there are a lot of others maybe that I want yeah but you're saying you but they don't probably know the makeup created by an ordinance the city could be that's how you that's how you exist right as a full because specifically people can make donations to the city for various things so and that is tax that's a tax exempt if if it's for city purpose.

Because specifically people can make donations to the city for various things.

So and that is tax.

That's tax exempt.

If if it's for city purpose.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like yes.

But I didn't know that.

Right.

Or city purpose.

Yeah.

And I think that's what I was trying to say is if I know we we go around and around.

But it it is you are doing something that you know, maybe when it's about the 1920s and 30s and 40.

And all of that has changed now.

Um we used acting exactly like the health department.

So it changed.

So we are a little bit outside of that buddy.

But what about the the communities that do have like social service departments?

Isn't aren't there ones in in Rhode Island that have that run certain or organizations?

Isn't Providence do that?

Or yeah, Providence.

Right, but but I mean, wouldn't one thing fall under that same category if Providence has is doing something that is not really like technically, you know, city business, but I mean maybe we should look into that.

Well, yeah, but here if if Providence does it through their own funding and all that, we're doing this as trustees of a trust created by a private individual.

So there's a little difference.

There's a little difference, yeah.

I understand.

I'm just throwing this stuff out.

I'm not saying that this is you know, we'd have to look at this a lot closer as we as you start narrowing down these options and and maybe making a lot more headway on some of them.

And then we could make sure uh on that.

But it's it's an interesting situation.

I don't know if there's anything else out there.

It's very unique.

Yeah.

I don't know if Providence is operating rooming houses.

Yeah, probably not.

But they have they do other types of social service stuff.

I'm pretty sure.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Thank you so much.

So we have boom but uh yeah, so we can want to follow up at some point with uh dig a little deeper into some of these other options too.

Maybe we can I don't know if we can get a meeting with church community housing at some point just to kind of talk with them and see what's yeah, I mean uh uh we've we've like I said, we've spoken with them once before.

We could happily speak with them again just to kind of re refresh where they stand in terms of what their capacities are uh with the commission.

Um they could probably even attend a commission meeting and kind of uh have that opportunity just to meet open meetings laws and all that.

So um at some point, I mean the you know the uh the capital condition of the building is going to continue to deteriorate.

Uh the operating costs are going to continue to be insufficient.

And what I'm afraid of is that at some point there will be some kind of a black swan event, a major piece of the facade falls off, or there's an injury and then all of a sudden we're gonna be scrambling to answer questions.

Sooner rather than that's why I was asking if there's a what's a timeline.

We need some sort of uh we need some sort of you know, deadline, otherwise this is it's gonna get filed on another pile and yeah, something else will come up and go on and on.

We'll start looking at um well church community will have them in for for our meeting or make a special meeting for them, and also the um we're gonna start we'll start looking at some of those other places, but uh as I said, as a group we we were hoping that we could keep the place we were in, and that requires a lot of help financially.

So it sounds like you want the other options before you even look at that.

That's what it sounds like.

Well, it would be nice to um be able to fund rates, but it doesn't sound like uh it's a uh I don't know.

I I guess I don't think we I don't I don't I mean I'm just speaking for myself.

I don't really have any notion one way or the other.

I'm just looking at all the options, you know, I'm just asking questions.

Yeah.

Okay, well we would even my suggestion would be given the time frame.

I think we should have this kind of decided within a year.

Um and maybe six months for the commission to seek some other up seeks uh additional meetings with some of the community support agencies that are out there have a report to council in about six months or less.

That's fine.

And then and then as we enter the next budget season, um this is something we start to do.

We have one governor, which is in the rest of the that's yeah, that's a plus and the rest of the building we've been very diligent.

That one do you have an initial cost estimate for that?

Not yet, not okay.

Okay.

Because I think it was at the meeting, but the study facilities team.

Um to the extent that things are really simple, easy, or urgently humanitarian, we'll consume some city resources to go in and provide some band-aids from time to time.

But this this is above and beyond that.

We've already checked the uh starting easy race or five or there's an approved five or five.

Yeah, so that's our that's really our number.

Who who mentioned um you consulted with who on that one?

Steus.

Upstairs, yeah.

I was just gonna say, yeah.

Yeah, we we've talked to them quite a few times.

Oh, yeah.

Jillian Gillian, is that her name?

Yeah, yeah.

She was the one that actually suggested it.

So it's been an aggregate.

Well, I'll just I'll throw a number up.

This is I'm completely making this up, but let's say that's going to cost 100,000.

That means the Henderson Home Commission is going to be looking to council at some point to say to buy us the year to make a decision.

We have an urgent safety concern that's going to cost 100,000.

Can you help us with that?

So I'm just we don't have to answer that question now, but I'm preparing that.

We always have to probably oh that's much the desktop.

I like how you want to choose telling.

I think based on what the other group is.

So if we're talking uh let's just put something in perspective.

So we know that we have 1.7 million dollars in the trust.

I believe you could go to council and you could request a lump sum.

I think we we talked about this before.

Yeah, we could go before council and request a lump sum to do some capital work, right?

That would reduce the amount that you receive in operating that that that annual amount that you receive will be reduced.

But let's say you're if you're talking 15, 20,000, 50,000, it's not gonna have that much of an impact.

Because everything is, if you think about it, we do it over a rolling 12 quarters, so that's really gonna flatten out.

So you're you really wouldn't feel something like that.

And what what we would do is how do we how do we get on the agenda?

How do we agenda get on the Yeah?

I think we just get on the docket.

So we think we could we could help you with that.

So communication.

Yeah, just get on and sounds like a good point.

I think we take care of the gutter.

Yes.

So I think you could get those immediate repairs done without really feeling really feeling it.

Okay, that would be great.

Well, thank you all so much.

Appreciate it.

Look forward to continuing the work.

Counselor, thank you.