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NYC Council Committees on Veterans and General Welfare Joint Hearing on Veteran Homelessness — October 21, 2026

City Council — Wednesday, October 21, 2026
BodyNew York City, New York
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, October 21, 2026
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Speaker 1

0:09

Good morning, and welcome to today's University Council hearing from the Committee of Veterans joined with the Committee on General Welfare.

0:15

At this time, I'd like to remind everyone to please house their electronic devices, and at no point is anyone to approach the dais.

0:22

Chairs, we're ready to begin.

Speaker 2

0:27

Hello, everyone.

0:31

I have the privilege of being the chair of the Committee on Veterans.

0:35

And this is my kind of hearing.

0:38

Not only do I love to see a packed house, both at the testimony table and not an available seat to be had in the crowd, which hopefully means we'll have a lot of members of the public testifying.

0:51

I'm also hoping we'll have a lot of folks testifying on Zoom.

0:54

But when I sought to have this chairmanship, I really sought to do it because I thought this would be a position where I could really help a lot of people, particularly people who don't get the help that they deserve from the city, the state, and the federal government, in spite of the fact that they're still the first to help others.

1:16

So I'm excited about this, and I'm particularly excited that it is a joint committee hearing with the Committee on General Welfare.

1:24

I'm joined by my colleague Councilmember Crystal Hudson, Chair of the Committee on General Welfare, and we're doing this joint oversight hearing on one of the most important issues facing New York today, and that's the issue of veteran homelessness in New York City.

1:40

Thank you for joining us to discuss this important topic.

1:56

We come from different political parties, different ideologies, different boroughs, different genders.

2:01

If there's a difference chart, we're just about on a different page when it comes to everything.

2:07

But we're on the same page when it comes to the importance of needing to do something about veteran homelessness.

2:14

And in addition to hopefully getting a lot of great ideas in terms of future legislation, in addition to shining a light on some things that need to be shining a light on, in addition to enhancing our own edification of some real issues that veterans are facing and at the conditions at Borden Avenue specifically, my hope is uh that by having two people like us who come from totally different corners of the world addressing this problem in a very real way and take it seriously.

2:43

Hopefully, this is a wake-up call to the eight and a half million New Yorkers that might not be attuned to this issue, that we have 140 to 150,000 people that could really use help in this city, and that's why I'm excited about this.

2:59

Like many communities across the country, New York City continues to face a homelessness crisis driven by rising housing costs and a shortage of affordable housing, among other things.

3:11

And our veterans are not immune to these challenges.

3:15

And ensuring that those who served our country have access to stable housing remains a critical responsibility.

3:22

Now the good news is New York City has made uh significant progress in reducing veteran homelessness over the past decade.

3:30

In 2025, there were 697 homeless veterans in New York City.

3:36

That's down from 1,558 homeless veterans in 2015.

3:42

That's a 44% decrease.

3:45

Uh, I can promise you I'm gonna be working pretty hard on this issue until that number goes from 697 to zero.

3:52

Uh there should there's no excuse for veteran homelessness in New York City as far as I'm concerned.

3:57

And uh the successes that we've had are due in part to the coordinated efforts of DVS, DSS, and their partners.

4:06

We're gonna hear from them all today.

4:08

Veterans experiencing homelessness can access emergency shelter, transitional housing, rental assistance, case management, and permanent housing opportunities.

4:18

And uh these services have helped many veterans move from homelessness to permanent housing and achieve long-term stability.

4:26

However, uh, between 2015 and 20 excuse me, between 2022 and 2025, the number of homeless veterans has increased a little bit.

4:37

Since 2022, we have seen an increase from 482 to 297 individuals.

4:44

So while we're in a much better position from where we were 10 years ago, we're not in as good of a position as where we were four years ago.

4:53

What's going on?

4:54

What's driving that?

4:55

Why do we have more homeless veterans now than we did in 2022?

4:59

And more importantly, what can we do about it?

5:02

So this increase is raising a lot of important questions about whether existing housing resources, supportive services, and homelessness prevention efforts are keeping pace with current needs.

5:15

Specifically, we are going to be diving headfirst into what's going on over at uh the Borden Avenue Veterans Shelter.

5:24

Uh, Councilmember Hudson has been there.

5:26

I've been there, Councilmember Wong has been there.

5:30

Uh I know a number of members of the committee and a number of council members who are not on uh my committee have been there, and we all have independent observations, and we're gonna be uh posing the questions about what we observed to all the folks that you're going to hear from today.

5:45

There's also a whole lot of uncertainty surrounding federal funding for the Borden Avenue veterans residents, and there are conflicting explanations that have been offered regarding the facilities' exclusion from the latest VA grant and per diem funding awards.

6:02

What's going on here?

6:04

Is this something that's easily rectifiable?

6:06

And beyond what's going on here, can we make sure that every veteran that had uh a bed that was paid for by this VA grant sees no disruption in that bed because of the city's decision to opt out of this grant.

6:22

So uh the city has committed to maintaining services.

6:26

Questions remain about how lost federal funding is going to be replaced and what impact, if any, the funding dispute may have on operations.

6:34

Um the discussion has also renewed attention to reported concerns about the conditions at the shelter and the quality of life for veterans living there.

6:42

At the time uh when veterans' homelessness is rising, uh it's pretty important that there are absolutely no disruptions, not just to housing, but to the supportive services that veterans are uh seeking there.

6:56

And it's equally important that efforts to move veterans from shelter into permanent housing remain a priority regardless of the recent events uh affecting funding.

7:05

And today's hearing is an opportunity to examine the effectiveness of the city's response, identifying remaining gaps and ensure that veterans experiencing homelessness uh receive the necessary support they need to secure and maintain permanent housing.

7:21

In addition to our oversight topic today, we will be hearing about a number of pieces of legislation.

7:27

Intro number 1050, sponsored by me, which would amend the administrative code in relation to alternative exemption for seriously disabled veterans.

7:39

I'll talk more about that in a minute, and hopefully we'll hear some testimony from DVS and from the public about this.

7:44

We're gonna be hearing uh introduction number 0897, sponsored by Councilmember Felice, which would admit the administrative code in relation to the Department of Social Services response to certain severe winter weather conditions.

7:58

We're gonna be hearing uh resolution number 0560, sponsored by Council Member Paladino, which is calling on the federal government to enact the fair access to co-ops for Veterans Act, and we're gonna be hearing resolution number 0634, which I've also sponsored, which is seeking to recognize 501c19 veteran organizations and designate the week that includes November 11th annually as Veterans Organizations Awareness Week.

8:28

Uh, before I conclude, I want to acknowledge Councilmember Hudson, Chair of the Committee on General Warwelfare for working with me on this oversight hearing, and uh it's clear that she recognizes as much as I do how crucial it is to address the housing issues veterans face and uh the barriers to safe and stable shelter that a lot of people still experience.

Unassigned speaker

8:50

I'd also like to thank uh the committee staff, uh legislative council Hannah Cohn, um, legislative analyst Raina Lee, legislative policy analyst Mahnoor Boot, Justin Campos, and Nina Rosenberg, senior Financial Analyst Sandra Gray, and uh community liaison Sebastian Neme for their hard work in preparing for this hearing.

Speaker 2

9:13

I'd also like to thank my staff for their work as we continue to serve our constituents and uh the city as a whole.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
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Veterans Services█████████████████18%
Homelessness█████████████14%
Housing█████5%
Public Engagement████4%
Public Safety████4%
Public Housing████4%
Public Health█1%
Workforce Development█1%
Summary of Proceedings

NYC Council Committees on Veterans and General Welfare Joint Hearing on Veteran Homelessness — October 21, 2026

The New York City Council’s Committee on Veterans, chaired by Frank Morano, met jointly with the Committee on General Welfare, chaired by Crystal Hudson, at 10:00 AM on Wednesday, October 21, 2026, in Hearing Room 3 at 250 Broadway. The hearing covered oversight of veteran homelessness in New York City, with particular focus on the Borden Avenue Veterans Residence (BAVR), the loss of federal Grant and Per Diem (GPD) funding, and four legislative items. Roll call showed Committee members Morano, De La Rosa, Paladino, and Wong present; Gennaro absent; Hudson, Avilés, Won, Gutiérrez, Nurse, and Wilson also attended.

Opening Statements

  • Chair Morano reported 697 homeless veterans in NYC in 2025, down 44% from 1,558 in 2015, but up from 482 in 2022, and said he would work until the number reaches zero.
  • Chair Hudson said approximately 700 homeless veterans is unacceptable and that the goal is permanent housing.
  • Councilmember Paladino called Borden Avenue an absolute disgrace, noted the city budget provides only $6.5 million for veterans, and urged new financing approaches.

Discussion Items

Oversight: Veteran Homelessness and Borden Avenue

  • DVS Commissioner Yesenia Mata testified that DVS provides outreach, intake, housing navigation, subsidies coordination, inspections, and 22 months of aftercare; permanent housing placements rose from 55 in FY22 to 209 in FY26, and 702 veterans answered aftercare calls in FY26.
  • DSS Commissioner Aaron Dalton testified that DHS asks every intake if they served; the VA’s GPD award was reduced from 154 beds/up to $4 million to 44 beds/up to $1.3 million. DHS declined the award because the grant’s terms, tied to federal Executive Order 14168, would require compliance with conditions the city says violate state and city anti-discrimination laws. DHS is replacing the lost federal funds with city tax-levy dollars; 105 people were at BAVR when the grant ended September 30, 2026, 168 on October 19, and 198 on the hearing date, with capacity 231 and seven beds offline due to roof leaks.
  • Dalton said DVS estimates more than 200,000 veterans live in NYC, and the 2026 point-in-time count found 791 veterans in shelter and one unsheltered. As of October 18, 55 women in DHS shelter identified as veterans.
  • Dalton described BAVR improvements: $4.3 million roof/skylight replacement (procurement next, construction June 2027–December 2029), $2.9 million flood wall (design complete), and shower privacy partitions expected within six to eight weeks. He also cited declines of 44% in serious incidents, from 674 to 377, and 48% in 911 calls, from 813 to 419, comparing the same periods in 2025 and 2026.
  • In Q&A, Morano pressed Dalton on whether the city could have accepted the reduced grant for eligible beds while funding others; Dalton said the grant’s conditions prohibited acceptance. Morano asked for a legal analysis.
  • Chair Hudson asked about street homelessness, safe havens, and a long-term shelter capacity plan; Dalton said a homelessness plan is being developed and committed to a written status update within 30 days.
  • Several council members, including Wong, Won, and Paladino, sharply criticized BAVR conditions, the length of roof repairs, food quality, shower privacy, the culinary program, and the requirement that council members sign an access form before shelter visits. Dalton said the form protects resident privacy under state and local law and is not an NDA.
  • DVS Associate Commissioner Donnie Smalls said all 209 FY26 placements remained housed; the median time from first housing request to move-in was approximately seven to eight months.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • ICL CEO Jody Rudin defended BAVR’s services: 75 staff, 147 permanent housing placements in FY25 and 111 so far in FY26, 55% employment, average length of stay about eight months, and 80% of residents reporting positive experiences. She said the culinary training program has 20 slots per cohort and veterans are prioritized; food is not confiscated; and bathroom privacy is not a reported issue.
  • Phoenix House CEO Anne Marie Foster testified in support of veterans-specific substance-use and trauma treatment and described the organization’s collaboration with BAVR.
  • Former and current residents gave mixed testimony: Rodney Silas praised the help he received; Charles Warner described systemic casework failure; Matt Weth called conditions detention-like and said he planned legal action; Anthony Byrd, a former resident, called for a new building and said culinary program access was denied when he was there; William Gibson, a current resident, said conditions are uneven, residents share responsibility, and library and internet access exist with limits.
  • Advocates and veterans organizations raised accountability concerns. Michael Matos of Five Borough Veterans said his group had filed FOIA requests and was talking to DOI and the Comptroller; he called for replacing ICL with a veteran-community provider. Mike Munoz demanded canceling ICL’s contract, resignations of Commissioners Dalton and Mata, a Comptroller audit, and open access for VSOs. Ryan Graham of the VFW and NYC Veterans Advisory Board also recommended severing the ICL contract after review. Kevin Meggett said budget choices show insufficient priority for veterans.
  • On legislation: NILAG and Homeless Services United supported Intro 897, with HSU warning against an unfunded mandate. VFW representatives and others supported Intro 1051 and Res 560. Dr. Cleopatra Brown supported Res 560 but questioned the proposed 3.25% co-op loan fee. Joe Bello supported Intro 1051 and Res 560 but opposed Res 634 in its current form, recommending the awareness week not overlap with November Veterans Month.
  • Zoom testimony included Dr. Mecca Nelson, a Gold Star spouse, who called for dignified, trauma-informed shelter conditions and recommended a New York City location for the Tunnel to Towers Foundation’s veterans village model; Christopher Leon Johnson supported the bills and criticized the mayor’s administration’s treatment of veterans.

Key Outcomes

  • The oversight item T2026-2557 was heard and filed by the committee.
  • Intro 0897-2026, Intro 1051-2026, Res 0560-2026, and Res 0634-2026 were all heard and laid over by the committee without a vote.
  • DSS committed to provide the Council a written update within 30 days on the shelter capacity plan, the nonprofit ownership program, and policy/budget barriers to new safe haven and drop-in center projects.
  • DVS said it would provide housing retention rate data; DSS said it would provide a breakdown of BAVR 911 calls and details on capital and repair timelines.
  • Chair Morano indicated the Council would pursue legislative clarification of Council access to shelters, including the form currently required before visits.
  • Written testimony will be accepted for 72 hours after the hearing at testimony@council.nyc.gov.

Meeting Transcript

Good morning, and welcome to today's University Council hearing from the Committee of Veterans joined with the Committee on General Welfare. At this time, I'd like to remind everyone to please house their electronic devices, and at no point is anyone to approach the dais. Chairs, we're ready to begin. Hello, everyone. I have the privilege of being the chair of the Committee on Veterans. And this is my kind of hearing. Not only do I love to see a packed house, both at the testimony table and not an available seat to be had in the crowd, which hopefully means we'll have a lot of members of the public testifying. I'm also hoping we'll have a lot of folks testifying on Zoom. But when I sought to have this chairmanship, I really sought to do it because I thought this would be a position where I could really help a lot of people, particularly people who don't get the help that they deserve from the city, the state, and the federal government, in spite of the fact that they're still the first to help others. So I'm excited about this, and I'm particularly excited that it is a joint committee hearing with the Committee on General Welfare. I'm joined by my colleague Councilmember Crystal Hudson, Chair of the Committee on General Welfare, and we're doing this joint oversight hearing on one of the most important issues facing New York today, and that's the issue of veteran homelessness in New York City. Thank you for joining us to discuss this important topic. We come from different political parties, different ideologies, different boroughs, different genders. If there's a difference chart, we're just about on a different page when it comes to everything. But we're on the same page when it comes to the importance of needing to do something about veteran homelessness. And in addition to hopefully getting a lot of great ideas in terms of future legislation, in addition to shining a light on some things that need to be shining a light on, in addition to enhancing our own edification of some real issues that veterans are facing and at the conditions at Borden Avenue specifically, my hope is uh that by having two people like us who come from totally different corners of the world addressing this problem in a very real way and take it seriously. Hopefully, this is a wake-up call to the eight and a half million New Yorkers that might not be attuned to this issue, that we have 140 to 150,000 people that could really use help in this city, and that's why I'm excited about this. Like many communities across the country, New York City continues to face a homelessness crisis driven by rising housing costs and a shortage of affordable housing, among other things. And our veterans are not immune to these challenges. And ensuring that those who served our country have access to stable housing remains a critical responsibility. Now the good news is New York City has made uh significant progress in reducing veteran homelessness over the past decade. In 2025, there were 697 homeless veterans in New York City. That's down from 1,558 homeless veterans in 2015. That's a 44% decrease. Uh, I can promise you I'm gonna be working pretty hard on this issue until that number goes from 697 to zero. Uh there should there's no excuse for veteran homelessness in New York City as far as I'm concerned. And uh the successes that we've had are due in part to the coordinated efforts of DVS, DSS, and their partners. We're gonna hear from them all today. Veterans experiencing homelessness can access emergency shelter, transitional housing, rental assistance, case management, and permanent housing opportunities. And uh these services have helped many veterans move from homelessness to permanent housing and achieve long-term stability. However, uh, between 2015 and 20 excuse me, between 2022 and 2025, the number of homeless veterans has increased a little bit. Since 2022, we have seen an increase from 482 to 297 individuals. So while we're in a much better position from where we were 10 years ago, we're not in as good of a position as where we were four years ago. What's going on? What's driving that? Why do we have more homeless veterans now than we did in 2022? And more importantly, what can we do about it? So this increase is raising a lot of important questions about whether existing housing resources, supportive services, and homelessness prevention efforts are keeping pace with current needs. Specifically, we are going to be diving headfirst into what's going on over at uh the Borden Avenue Veterans Shelter. Uh, Councilmember Hudson has been there. I've been there, Councilmember Wong has been there. Uh I know a number of members of the committee and a number of council members who are not on uh my committee have been there, and we all have independent observations, and we're gonna be uh posing the questions about what we observed to all the folks that you're going to hear from today. There's also a whole lot of uncertainty surrounding federal funding for the Borden Avenue veterans residents, and there are conflicting explanations that have been offered regarding the facilities' exclusion from the latest VA grant and per diem funding awards. What's going on here? Is this something that's easily rectifiable? And beyond what's going on here, can we make sure that every veteran that had uh a bed that was paid for by this VA grant sees no disruption in that bed because of the city's decision to opt out of this grant. So uh the city has committed to maintaining services. Questions remain about how lost federal funding is going to be replaced and what impact, if any, the funding dispute may have on operations. Um the discussion has also renewed attention to reported concerns about the conditions at the shelter and the quality of life for veterans living there. At the time uh when veterans' homelessness is rising, uh it's pretty important that there are absolutely no disruptions, not just to housing, but to the supportive services that veterans are uh seeking there.

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