All right.

Welcome to the City of Norman oversight meeting for August 14th, 2025.

The first item on the agenda is an update from CityCare on the operations at the emergency shelter.

Hello, everybody.

It is a pleasure to be here.

My name is Mallory Lee.

I'm the shelter director.

And to my left is uh Sean Lloyd.

He is the senior director of homeless services for city care.

Um I'll be presenting the slides today.

So if you could just follow along with me, I think everybody has slides.

Um we'll go ahead and start.

We take a look at the table.

Um here.

Um, this shows the nights of rest, our nightly average and the individuals that we've served over time.

Um, our nights of rest, as you can see, was over 10,000 nights of rest.

Um, our nightly average is 54.

We have 52 guests nightly.

We do leave an open bed for if the police have an emergency, if there's a domestic violence situation, and we also had the large capacity of numbers during the time that we had the winter storm for a certain amount of time.

So we do have some times we go for a little over on the uh limit, but we usually stay close to 52.

Um, the unique individuals um identifies the unduplicated number of people that we serve the shelter.

The point in time count I like to um kind of bring to the front this year for Norman was 213 experiencing homelessness with 74 unsheltered.

We've recorded 297 unique individuals coming through our shelter, which indicates you know potential need for increased capacity down the road and just kind of shows that the need is still there for this shelter being present and in place here in Norman.

This also kind of shuts down a little bit on the interactions when they're off the street when they come into our shelter at night, can even from interactions with the police and local business owners and stuff as well.

On the next slide is our housing connections year to date.

Can we get it stuck?

Um, we are looking to expand our housing opportunities here in Norman.

We've successfully housed 16 of the individuals that we've had with us.

18 of the veterans that we've served has been um kind of a primary focus.

We've housed six of those individuals, and we are actually in the process housing and transitioning six more of those individuals into housing.

We've used resources such as a VA and HUD Vash to get those um partnerships going, as well as other community resources like the COC and partnerships with other community entities.

We also have implemented the tracking system and HMIS business objectives, which allows us to monitor all the incidents, referrals, number of individuals transitioning into housing, and various points of advocacy.

In July alone, um we had 14 chat assessments done, which in total would bring us to 128 assessments for the year.

Can I ask I don't know the acronym, but what does chat stand for?

They're coordinated housing assessments.

They let us know the vulnerability of the person to prioritize who's gonna get the housing resources first.

It's like a triage of me, basically.

Yes.

Um I'd also like to add that the documentation uh resources, barriers that we have when we have our guests come in.

A lot of them don't have documents, they don't have IDs, birth certificates, you know, driver's license, tribal IDs, things like this.

And so we try to build partnerships with local entities.

Right now we have a partnership with McFarland and First Presbyterian Church in regards to helping with vouchers to get IDs for our guests.

And because of the vouchers for housing is kind of shut down.

It's a long waiting list.

They're served still serving people from last year.

This has become kind of a barrier.

So getting these documents and having the funding available to receive these documents to move forward to get these people into housing is a big barrier for us because we don't have the funds at the moment to provide as many birth certificates and social security cards and things like that that we need for these guests.

A lot of them come in, they don't have any of these things.

They've been lost, they've been stolen, or they never had them to begin with.

So we want to make sure that we have this kind of funding down the road.

So when this comes up, we're able to provide these documents for these people.

Can I ask um what it the estimated budget or financial need would be?

Yeah, like what is the cost generally to replace all of what's needed.

I mean, like, can you get by with just a driver's license or a birth certificate, or you need all of all of them to get into housing?

That's a great question.

Um it's about 20 bucks to get a new ID.

Actually, it's been a while since I got one.

I don't remember.

It might be 25 now.

Yeah, it's 25 bucks to get an ID.

Usually birth certificates are about 40 dollars.

Um, and social security cards.

Sometimes we can provide documentation that shows the person is experiencing homelessness and we can get them for free, and sometimes we can't.

Um, but you need all three things to go into housing.

If you're applying for housing at like um Norman Housing Authority, for instance, you have to have all three of those items.

Now, if someone's going into a private owned entity, then there's it's possible that they could provide less of those documents and still be housed.

So it's roughly a little under 100 bucks to get somebody dock ready.

And does real ID factor into this or not?

Actually, that's a whole new ball game.

Yeah, yeah.

Is that I forget how much that costs, but that I think it was like 89 bucks.

Yeah, I think it is too.

So that potentially might be an increase in cost on IDs.

Yes, man.

Okay.

We've made some applications as well for ESG funds and some other funds that we hope will come in place to start to cover those items.

Um, as our partnership or money with the churches start to run out, and we're just kind of waiting on word of award on those ESG funds.

So hopefully we'll get them.

Promptly.

Councilmember Hank.

Um in the past, carefully.

Um in the past, um, the Norman Rotary Clubs clubs have funded some ID fairs, and so that may be something that we could ask them for if they would put some money up to do that.

Um just as uh immediate kind of resource, and then we can look at some longer term stuff down the road.

That's a great option.

Yeah, we'd love to coordinate with that anyway, plus five rotaries, so we'll kind of um also with the resource fair that gets held quarterly.

Is that an opportunity for people to get some of those documents for free or not?

Are you are you talking about the one that was at the well?

I attended that and I did not see any resources that offered any of those services.

Um I I walked around to the tables.

We actually had a table there as well.

Um, but I I don't recall anybody that was there.

Sometimes they do have it be good to maybe connect with the person who was providing that.

Yeah, I'll look into it.

That and sometimes like warrant cleaning opportunities happen.

Like I know those happen in Oklahoma City.

I'd be willing to bet they happen here as well.

We've had them.

I don't know how regular they are.

Okay.

Okay, does that also help with somebody getting into housing the warrant?

Yes.

Okay, yeah, because if you if if you're filling out a background check, it will come up that you have an active warrant, and they're not likely to say yes.

So your menu municipal record is available to them as well.

Got it.

Depending on how well their background check system functions, and it tends to be the more expensive, better background you get, the more information you get.

All right.

Any more questions before we continue?

No, okay.

Just to wrap up the housing part.

Um, one solution that we do have is we do a shared housing kind of solution.

We partner people that kind of are friends or have a relationship in the our guest community and put them in houses together just to make it more affordable and kind of expedite the placement.

That way we can kind of get them on their feet and moving into housing.

Do you go to the next slide?

These are gender and age gaps.

Looking at the gender and age breakdown, the majority of our shelter stays have been by men, which was a hundred and excuse me, 188, and 102 by women with seven non-binary guests.

The groups largest were 35 to 44 years of age, followed by 45 to 54, then 55 to 64.

Looking back, we had 37 guests receiving or eligible for SSI.

We had 33 guests receiving.

Excuse me.

33 guests receiving or eligible for SSDI.

So we are focusing on our case management to secure benefits and stable income for these guests that qualify for these.

One of the things when they come in, we do intake processes with these assessments as well, and find out what documents they do have, what programs they're involved in, what benefits they are receiving.

And this is kind of top of the list.

We want to know what kind of income they have.

If they're eligible for any of these benefits, we kind of get them on a fast track in order to get them in there to get starting receiving these funds.

Let's know what we're looking for when we're putting these people onto housing.

It focuses on okay, we need an ADA compliant housing situation.

What kind of funds can we bring in to help put this person into housing?

What can we receive in regards to having this person get in the place of it?

So all these numbers that we have here are self-reported.

Um they have the medical documentation usually to back up when they have reported that they are mental health disorders or developmental disorders or physical disorders.

That way, when we move them into their placement, we have this to back up their claims.

It'll qualify people for housing options that you wouldn't qualify for if you don't have documentation and disability.

And so for some of our folks, that's one of the main focuses immediately to be doc ready is to get that documentation in place and approve how much time they've experienced homelessness.

So if they're chronic or um or if they're literally homeless.

So these are the provider referrals.

Um our goal is to identify additional trends that allow us to track where each referral or point of advocacy is directed.

Our advocates are trained to recognize needs for mental health services, physical medical assistance, and to address food insecurity.

In this report, we referred some statistics.

There have been 38 referrals to DHS, primarily for SNAP benefits, and 36 referrals to Norman Community Health for Mental Health Services.

When people come in, like I said, we do the assessment.

Are you on, you know, are you needing mental health services?

Can we get you set up for your doctor's appointments or where you need to get set up for?

Let's get you signed up for food benefits that way when you come in, you can go and get food before you come in to have something to eat.

We always try to follow up with these things so when we when it happens, we can reach out to these people and make sure that this is set up properly.

We have the Norman Community Mental Health.

There is a task force that we actually recently joined that connects us with a lot of the other mental health organizations in the community.

That way, when something comes up, we're able to provide referrals to those people from our guests to go and aid whatever situation they're dealing with.

So that's one of the biggest things when it comes to this.

Did you have anything you want to?

No, but this does give us an idea of where we do lack sometimes with with services here.

Um, there's a high number of mental health services and a high number of DHS services, so that tells us that we could beef up our mental health services and our food and nutrition services.

We also have a high number of referrals for food and shelter for daytime options.

And so I I know that we've taught some about a potential long-term shelter being um a residential shelter being 24 hours, and um, I think we could see some of those numbers start to come down if we could provide those daytime options as well.

I have another question about the diversion hub option.

Is that mostly women who are getting referred?

Yes.

Um there diversion hub options that address men in Norman yet?

Not that I'm aware off the top of my head.

We've only been referring women.

We've been working with diversion hub for many years in Oklahoma City, and so as soon as there is a men's option for us to explore, we'll definitely let you know.

Okay.

Unless you know something we don't, and then you need to let us know.

Yeah, aware there's uh I guess gender discrepancy on those services.

Yeah.

Um, so I would love to see an option for men as well.

Um, and then my other question is about veterans' affairs.

There's 13 there.

Is there housing through the VA for these 13 referrals?

Or are there other challenges when they're identified veterans?

Um, it's just not as easy as getting into housing as a VAs.

Actually, it's the opposite.

If somebody is um a veteran, there's avenues for us to help them get housed that there's not for civilians.

Which there should be, right?

Like um, but uh we usually use SSVF for housement placing, and we use the VA to get all those things in line that we're gonna need, like possible disability letter or um length of time homelessness, or get them connected to physical health needs as well.

So the 128 chat assessments, you know, those veterans are kind of in the queue for the getting house graph, as it were.

Okay, uh, Councilmember Hinkle.

Um, do you guys partner reach out at all to the Del K Grand Veterans Foundation?

Who is that?

It's Del K Grand Veterans Foundation.

I I love it every time you raise your hand because you throw us another resource.

So you just want to like come hang out with this for a while.

Yeah, I mean, we can go around and we can't grade what it's the Del Kram Veterans Foundation, it's over at uh West Lindsay and South Bury.

Um they've been around for a long time, but they help veterans get their benefits, and so if you have a veteran that comes through that needs resources, they are good.

Okay.

We've been bringing somebody from SSDF from Oklahoma City out to do that exact thing, but if we could get both angles, that would be I would bet you that's good.

Yeah, Del Kram is probably faster and more accurate than any perfect okay.

That'd be great.

And they have they run as a nonprofit, so they have some additional funds that they can.

Oh, that would be wonderful.

Yeah, little things.

Perfect.

All right, any other questions about provider referrals okay.

Okay.

So the Norman SPC PSH.

I don't want to confuse that.

The Norman Shelter Plus Care Permanent Supportive Housing Program.

Um was operated by Ho Community Services.

It is now under the Norman City Care program.

It is a program that helps people who've been homeless uh chronically and are living with a disability, whether it's a mental condition, physical condition, or a chronic illness, and we've recently acquired it.

And we are managing 12 formerly homeless clients living in apartments throughout Norman and Cleveland County.

City care is providing with assistance with rent pavement supportive services to help individuals achieve self-sufficiency, self-sufficiency, and financial independence.

Our acquisition of this program will expedite our engagement with landlords and the community and create more housing opportunities for our shelter and our guests.

Um we took over this program here recently.

July 1st.

Yep.

Recently is July 1st, and it's just getting off the ground, so we will update you as we continue to work on that, but it's been working out pretty well so far.

So I think that's pretty much all I have with that.

Last but not least, we're excited to let you know that we've launched our Norman Volunteer platform, it is now active.

You can go to CityCare uh volunteer opportunities on the website.

We do conduct background checks, we have them go over training videos, make sure that they're suitable for the position that they are in, and we get them set up, we log their hours.

We also can set them up for community service hours and log everything that they need to be logged.

We also are in need of furniture for our guests that we are housing.

So if you know anybody who's donating furniture or have donated furniture yourself, please email Maggie at CityCareOKC.org.

She will be taking that information.

Also, we have got I cannot see this.

Um, I have it right there.

I'm gonna do that.

Um, oh I would like to offer anybody who knows anyone, or if any of you individuals would like to come for a tour, we will be hosting tours throughout the year.

So if you want to come and view what we're working with at the shelter and just kind of see how things are developing and kind of an insight on how we do things, please reach out.

You can reach out to me or Sean or anybody at City Care, and we'll get that set up for you whenever it works in your favor.

So if you have oh, sorry, go for it, go for it.

That question on the age is there an age requirement on volunteering?

Yes, you have to be an adult, you have to be 18 years old.

18 plus okay.

We we will tour.

So if there's like school groups or youth groups that want to tour and learn, we will tour with them during non-business hours, but we don't we don't let them come in to serve.

Okay.

Do you all have a warehouse or anything like that where if somebody had a huge donation of furniture anything like that, you would be able to house it yourself till you needed it?

We technically have some city buildings over here that we function in that we may be able to ask if we could use some of that storage space to store some of those items, but we don't have like um we don't have a warehouse now.

Gotcha.

Another thought too.

I guess when students are moving out in the spring, there might be a coordinated outreach to different properties that are housing a bunch of them and see if there's some donations to get it.

Especially if y'all was able to go pick them up from the houses for.

I mean, we're not we're not above that.

That's what we want you to do that we do that.

We're not above that.

Um we are a little particular about what we take, you know.

We don't if it if it's really worn or it's had nine students in it the last nine years, then we probably won't take it.

I'm thinking more of the center city neighborhoods.

Uh yeah, they buy it new and use it for six months.

Yeah, it'll have to be a good thing.

Yeah, so we would be game, yes.

Yeah, okay.

Um, are there other questions for city care?

Anything about the shelter.

Yeah, no.

Um, I was gonna say I love the breakdown of information.

I don't know uh how feasible this is, but I am curious where people are coming from in our systems of care or justice.

So like if people you can tell who's coming from jail, who's coming from mental health services, hospitals, or any other uh systems of care that are working here.

We do ask the question um where you stayed yesterday, and it is something that's tracked in HMIS, it would just say an institution, it wouldn't break down um it wouldn't break down if it was jail or what kind of institution it was or shelter, but we could maybe run the survey for a set amount of time and just ask those questions and maybe find out some information around if they were local before and um and where they were at before they came to us if you'd like and just I mean thank god we've got this ability to to figure out any data we want, right?

So if if we want to run a survey, let's do it.

If you guys would like that info, we'll get it for you.

I have a feeling what uh Mayor Holman's next question is, but I'll let them ask it.

Yes, so now that the county of Cleveland County is entered into an agreement with Oklahoma City Police Department to house municipal inmates from Oklahoma City, it could be valuable for us to know if that if that does lead to the timing more people coming to the shelters because they get dropped off in Norman and don't need to go back to DC.

I know that I don't know this to be fact now.

So I do know that used to Cleveland County used to rent space from Pot County before they built the jail out here by the plant.

Um and and I think used to if if you were arrested by Cleveland County and transported to Pot County or Potawatomi County at release, they had to transport you back.

I don't know if that's in your contract for that's not us, it's the county.

Okay, okay.

It's not okay.

So let's let's figure it out.

So I mean, yeah, if it is something that's notified, people are showing up and saying, Yeah, it was arrested by OE.

Okay, CPD, and I ended up in Cleveland County, whatever that means.

Yeah, whatever it looks like.

I think it's a good sign that if your your jail was built to scale and you're getting to rent part of it out to another county.

That's a good sign your crime rates are doing well, right?

It's it's a way to for them to get rid of a certain clientele too, if they wanted to abuse that situation.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So that's uh that would be helpful.

So let's survey that.

Let's put together a survey for um where people are coming from if they exited um if they exited jail or incarceration, um, what county they came from.

And also you can add on their job form.

When you're asking about how they got here now, if they if you can kind of keep track of they maybe mention the states of Texas and Louisiana.

I work security for the health system here.

Okay, and a bunch of my new people, clients that come in and everything suffering from this and everything.

I always say, you know, where you're from, you know, where do you sleep, whatever, you know, stuff like that.

And a lot of them when you break it down, say I just got off the bus from Texas, got the bus from Louisiana.

So hopefully all of my new ones have usually that same spill when they come in.

Okay, so let's track state, let's track city.

Let's track um where it was.

You know, just find us randomly.

You guys got any more questions you want us to track?

Because we'll just put a simple job form together that'll compile the data for us, and we'll just ask every single person who comes in.

That was kind of where I was leaning for data and future presentations.

Sure.

And then just you know, advanced preparedness is great.

So just a fall winter plan for next time to talk about what challenges and needs we'll have.

I know we amended the contract so that you can serve food and it's not a big thing.

Um yeah, just try and get that going.

Do you uh with part of your resources that you give clients as they're leaving or going out for the day?

Do you you said you had a partnership a little bit with McFarland?

Did y'all use the resource page as almost a gift handout to each client that you serve and everything, so they have that full city list of every resource available?

We have it there.

There's um the men have a bulletin board, the women have a bulletin board, and there's two bulletin boards when you walk in, and it's hung up on the bulletin board, and they're also given a copy when they sign up when they first come in for their intake.

So everybody should have a copy.

All right, well, um, I don't have any more questions.

Are there any more?

Uh Mayor Homan.

Not for the shelter, but just to relate it to services.

Um can we work in an update on cleanup crew team?

Yes.

Um, any other related things that we have in the oven right now that we're working on.

Yeah, that was on my next next month.

That's all right.

Cool.

Any more questions?

All right.

Well, thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thank you, guys.

And next we have discussion of public restrooms and city parks and the transit center, and I'd like to recognize staff for a presentation.

Oh Jason Olson, um, parks and uh recreation director to give you update on uh restroom facilities at both the transit center and Andrew's park.

Uh some I think y'all do know the facilities do fall underneath us.

So uh the restroom problems that were what was happening over uh to transit center.

Uh we did work to help mitigate that.

Um so just threw a quick picture up there if any of make sure everybody knows what the transit center looks like.

It's over there uh a little bit farther down Main Street in Crawford, I think, um, pretty close to Porter.

Uh so here over the uh past year, just kind of go real quick through the problems we were having uh out there at the restroom.

Uh just a reminder that the transit center um opened in October of 23.

Uh water waste lines were replaced, and a grinder pump was installed in later in October.

Um, too early um December.

There was a lot of decay in the pipes, and you're gonna see this as a kind of a running theme through um both here and Andrew's Park rusting flaking, um causing um debris to be caught in the uh those pipes and resulting in some flooding.

Um issues with the restrooms uh continued, uh revolving around items being flushed down that uh down the down the restroom, and that's the reason we're trying to stick those grinder pumps on there.

So if there are some of the things that do get flushed, hopefully those grinder pumps um can catch and grind, and then it can go farther down that the sewer lines.

Uh facility maintenance installed a new type of toilet, and you're like, why does that matter?

Uh there are different toilets with different um water pressures that we can get in there that would help move things farther down the line once they enter in there.

Uh just depends on uh what kind of flow that you have in there that helps a lot.

Uh currently the uh lobby, well, actually this changed.

Um got a text from from Taylor a little bit earlier today.

The that we were having problems with the the door out there, the handicap uh actuator that opens and closes the door, was causing not only that portion of the door to fail, but uh uh we we thought it was a danger to the public because a door would could close and injure on somebody.

So they did have the lobby closed for about a week and a half that did get repaired today.

Uh and uh Taylor, are you opening for business?

You already back open.

Perfect.

Uh and the restroom uh wall well when the lobby is open, is open from 10 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

That coincides with the security that we provide by a third-party contractor through embark that stays on site.

And that's just kind of a uh real quick rundown of what's been going on over there at Transit Center.

Once again, we have had some issues with that restroom.

It did close for a while.

At the end of last year that has been uh mitigated, repaired.

We did put grinder pumps on there, and we'll talk about this a little bit later down the line.

The the sewer line that is between that's connected to the building that runs to the main sewer line needs to be replaced.

Uh so that will eventually need to show up in a future capital project.

Uh Andrew's Park, a little bit of history about the restrooms that are out there.

Uh the uh Andrews Park Building, which is actually older than 1973, was renovated to add the restrooms in uh 1973.

Uh we did close the restrooms permanently in May of 2022.

Uh we had temporary restrooms, aka porta potties that were placed in Andrew's Park with um we had those in there about uh six months before uh all the vendors we went through through vendors that uh eventually told us they would no longer place uh temporary restrooms on a semi-permanent basis out there.

Um they will place them for events, but not permanently out there just because of the things that were going into the toilet that made it really unsafe for for their driver that would come and clean that out a few times a week.

Uh another problem that we have is currently the four-inch iron pipe.

Um it's a residential pipe.

You have to remember this was uh put in in the 1970s.

Right now, a four-inch pipe, even if it was PVC, would be considered uh what they normally put in in a residential unit.

This was an iron pipe, which uh starts uh the longer you have this iron pipe in there, the more it rusts, and the more uh longer it's in there, the smaller it gets inside.

So we've had we're having numerous clogs in that um bathroom, not to mention what uh was trying to be flushed down those toilets out there.

Uh if we do ever redo that restroom out there, the uh we would go through there and replace everything with a six-inch um PVC pipe and um add a grinder pump to that.

Uh also like to point out, and I don't know if anybody remembers the old Andrews restrooms, they are not ADA standard.

So, and I I don't think we could get them to ADA standard.

They are very, very small.

Uh this is one of the big things and one of the problems that we had going on out there.

The line of sight for the the Andrews restrooms are is absolutely terrible.

Um I would say it's probably blocked about 80% around.

So when you're designing a park, one of the most important features you can have in any park design is line of sight.

Uh, you want to make sure that every single thing of asset in that park is um viewable by the public at all times, and that helps to uh help helps out with good Samaritans if something if there is an issue that helps out with uh any kind of safety you have.

Um that helps um prevent vandalism.

Uh the list kind of kind of goes on and on about line of sight issues.

So when we start talking about uh vandalism of the Andrews restrooms, uh there is a certain kind of uh vandalism that that we kind of attached to these restrooms, would I say was above and beyond what we were normally seeing out at our other restrooms.

I would say in a typical year, um, we would have uh we have restrooms I think stretch across nine parks, and uh those outdoor restrooms would probably see anywhere um between 40 to 60 instances of vandalism, that vandalism could be anything from graffiti to toilet paper dispensers ripped off the wall to um things being flushed in toilets.

Is this people coming in there and ripping trash cans out or something like that?

Uh when you start talking about the types of vandalism that was happening inside of the Andrews Park restrooms, it would be anything from uh we had an explosive device that was placed in there that uh if somebody was in the bathroom when that went off, uh they would have died and uh probably got killed.

That also set fire to the restrooms.

We also had uh people going in there and defecating on the floor and stomping on it and rubbing it all over the walls, and that becomes a health stand or health safety standard uh violation or toxic cleanup for our employees at that point.

We had uh people going in there and locking themselves in there, not only locking themselves in there, barricading the the door where we could not get them out.

I think there was several times we had to remove the door to get the people out of uh of that restroom.

And just like I said, the the height of things that were going on in there was a little bit different.

We had uh several complaints because of line of sight issues when we had uh children going to the restroom that they were uh getting took people or trapping them inside the restroom or talking to them as they were trying to leave the restroom.

And uh, if you had a two kids with you, one of them's playing at the splash pad, and the other one needs to go to the restroom.

Um we went out there and looked today, you lose complete sight of uh either way.

If you're inside the bathrooms, you lose complete sight of the the splash pads.

If you're a splash pads, you would lose complete sight of the restrooms.

So all these kind of decisions kind of mixing in together and um kind of us wanted to close down for public safety and employee safety at the exact same time that that we were having these issues about cleaning up needles and human waste inside the restroom we were also having a lot of issues with employee consultations with our union about cleaning up homeless sites.

And these were and usually a consultation is what you have before you um head into a grievance and the determination that we were having during these consultations about keeping up homeless sites that we were going to lose if this does go to a grievance.

We were sending people out there without the proper training without the uh proper uh protective equipment to clean out there and it was just hard for us to keep up we thought that mixed into what was happening at the same time at Andrew's park we just made a determination it's probably better to keep these rooms which or these restrooms which are small uh don't have the correct uh plumbing in there to what would be to the standards of things that are happening in there or what's being flushed people locking yourselves in line of sight employee safety just decided a bomb going off in there or an explosive device that set fire to the restrooms at one point we decided to it's probably just best to keep those closed our alternative at that time even though it's not a perfect um solution was we would tell people when they had a rental the closest restroom available would be the police station which are open extended hours from what what um city hall is and I think it um officer McCord again correct me but I think they're closed on Sundays at this point I think there was a point they were uh open at Sundays but I think they're closed now so uh right now at Andrew's park that's probably our best and most consistent uh option uh might have probably said in there twice so uh just so y'all know where the location of the restrooms are this is a full map of Andrew's park uh right there in the middle you do have that little yellow dot you know probably put these a little bit out of order um we are trying to go through there and find the history of some of this stuff and because of our emails are archiving from 2022 we weren't able to find a whole lot of pictures we did find uh one of our emails from our vendors that that um basically banned us from setting out semi-permanent um bathrooms out into there and these are just the kind of things that you would typically see uh those are the things that were getting flushed uh that second picture that uh round thing right there is actually a foam bed that was stuffed in there inside the toilet so when it um if y'all don't know how porta potties are cleaned out these guys come with big old vacuums and they suck everything out and then they wash it out so it would happen when they're pretty regularly pulling out um beds or pillows or clothing devices sleeping bags that would clog up the vacuum so that would force that worker to actually have to put his hands on human waste which was probably not what you particularly want to do at that time and that would clog it up so like I said we had three vendors that that within 90 days that we went through told us that they would they want to do it and there's more than three vendors in the Oklahoma City area but news quickly spread um among the other vendors and we could not find anybody out there to put restrooms out there.

They were also uh several times when they were uh vacuuming up or when when they were out there trying to clean um up the restroom that the needles would be um we had open needles in there and those are needles without covers uh which uh uh if you start looking at proper PPE or uh the ways of clean up you have to protect yourself from these needles um there's a lot of accidents that could happen from picking it up from anywhere falling out of your hand if it sticks into your shoes you have to be um properly uh prepared for that uh I mean this the ends go on on so it very quickly moves from a common cleanup where you go in there and wash out a toilet or go in there and try to sweep this up or or and you just can't touch it at all.

And then we have to either pay a contractor in there or make sure that we properly prepare our employees to do it which at the like I said at the time we were going through some um not so friendly conversation and we're also sitting in a spot where we couldn't blame them for not wanting to do that.

Uh so the uh if you look at this very first picture uh that's right here on your left behind this tree.

The restrooms are behind that large brick wall.

As you can see right there, the uh uh this is from the northeast side looking in there.

So if you're kind of towards the the back stops looking back at uh the restroom, you can see that you can't see anything from uh basically the the left side of the picture on.

Uh and so we hop to the other side and then you kind of lose visual contact uh from over there.

Uh so you start even the side views, you can't really see as you're walking in there, uh, who's up against the building, and a lot of times that's where people would uh hang out or stay for long periods of time, and then if you go directly to the other side, you can see who's coming in or out of the bathrooms.

Kind of the same story, just kind of move elsewhere in the park.

Uh, once again, your your line of sight is not perfect, and then if you're at the splash pad or at the playground, you completely lose line of sight.

Uh added in the uh Andrew Andrew's Park Master Plan, because this is eventually where we hope to be at.

This is uh was council approved.

Uh I think somewhere early 2023.

Uh as you can see, this building is not set to um once we start implementing this plan whenever it happens, Norman Ford, or if there's another way to um find funding for this, uh you can see that building doesn't exist.

You have a big pond system there, which actually is helpful for the downtown stormwater um capacity.

We can get in there.

Um I'll show you a picture here in a second, and once again, I probably didn't put everything in a perfect order, so I'll I'll probably hope let's see.

I don't oh, you go back to this picture.

So uh you little bit, let me get my coordinates.

So if you start looking over here, I can't do my mouse doesn't show up.

Well, so right here in this area is uh where that pond would be placed.

And the park master plan, uh you do have this man man-made water where or man made ditch that were uh at some point in the past that we came in there and diverted water from which would naturally run right down this angle.

You can kind of see uh where you have a land grade change and pond right over here.

So originally when this park was made, there was water right here in the middle of the park, and um storm water naturally went this way.

Right now we have this ditch.

Uh if we were to build a a restroom, uh brand new restroom in the future, it'd be located in this area right here.

Uh you have great line of sight as we were talking about from James Gardner, even a view from the police station.

Uh but before we even start talking about moving the restroom, we would have to uh one clear this out and start working on our new stormwater detention for for for the park because our restroom locations right here, and once again we'll be moving that back where it's actually naturally supposed to be flowing through through that area.

Jason, yes, so um yes, the police department could also question mark over that as discussions, William about potentially turning that into housing and the police department having a different station or potentially stations.

Well, even if it's apartments or buildings, once again, police are not the only people that can um that it's important, or they're just a small portion of if you're talking about a line of sight uh better line of sight.

If you have an apartment there, even better.

You have a whole lot of people looking at that, and when you have eyes on that, um, that deters things, and you have uh the ability to have uh somebody down 911 or good Samaritan axe or things like that, and I also takes down the like of likelihood of somebody vandalizing something, even though once you get inside of a bathroom, you know, you do have privacy and you could do different things.

Uh Mayor Holman.

The uh so on the master plan that we approved, there's three new bathrooms in that south east corner, and then in the middle there, and then on the north side by the start looking at here um 16 is our restroom indicator.

So we got uh a 16 right here, which is a restroom, a 16 right here, and then another uh restroom up there.

And all of them would be ADA compliant.

Yes, anything we we build now is ADA compliant.

Um also means the transit center's bathroom is ADA compliant.

Yes.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Um another, and we will get back to the point where our uh central library restrooms are open to the public with wonderful hours of access.

That has been a real challenge just from the the resources that are always provided at our library that have been offline during our exercise to get the building restored and buttoned up watertight.

Um in the not too distant future, we will get that facility back operational and it'll add additional resources for the whole community.

City Hall Monday through Friday, eight to five public restrooms available.

Um that library was just it had much greater hours of access to the city halls.

And I don't know if it's because we had mentioned it earlier in passing.

Uh it might be good to get some signage out there uh to let people know what buildings are available.

Um then I when we get to the end of this, we'll talk about what we should do with that bathroom.

Um Mayor Holman.

Um on that too, just would someone is is renting out the pavilion or whatever, do a party at Andrew's park, that whatever disclaimer says, and bathrooms we found at the police department.

Yes.

And maybe if I mean if somebody rents out the pavilion on a Sunday for a birthday party for the kids, could we have something where we could work out where the restrooms at the police department are available for that and then they're closed after it's over?

Or I don't know.

If they rented out for two hours, they're the lobby of the police department's open.

Close them when they're fit.

I don't know, something like that.

So that if people are we charge people to rent.

Yeah, it's very minimal.

Well, if people are coming to the city and saying we want to use the park, what's the process?

And then we say, well, okay, there's no bathrooms in the park right now, the police department's across the street.

Um, and then if it's a Sunday figuring out some way that we could we can definitely make sure we place that disclaimer out there that the limited time to for where the restrooms are are available.

Now, most of our events that we do have out there, and it's completely different from a family gathering that you go rent a pavilion at.

Um they know about the restroom um lack of restrooms and a port of potty company will come out there or put um temporary restrooms uh for a short period of time, as long as it's like a weekend.

Okay.

Yeah, if it was just a kid's birthday party for two hours out there, and they ask about, or maybe they don't even ask, we just say there's no, just so you know there's no bathrooms in the park that are available.

We'll make sure to clean that up.

And I'm guessing from that process, maybe add that as an add-on that hey, you know, we can have a port of potty put there for your birthday party if you pay X amount you know.

Yeah, we can do that.

And I think that's that might be something that we have on our website right now.

Maybe we um not necessarily on our main website.

If we go out to uh uh our rental website, it might mention that there's a restroom available, and we probably and I saw that on the Facebook post that was made last weekend.

We probably need to make sure that that doesn't indicate that there is a restroom available.

Okay.

Um are we good to move on to parks with restrooms?

Yes, okay.

So the uh we are going through here and trying to put this uh list uh together real quick and make sure that uh everybody knows what what parts have restrooms, what um what's kind of our indicator for restrooms because I there's we do get a lot of questions, uh not necessarily all about Andrews, but some neighborhood parks.

Uh uh typically uh a to make a park eligible for a restroom one, you have to have the uh the amount of people that that needs to come to there.

So typically we do not put um bathrooms or restrooms into a uh what we would call our traditional neighborhood park because you know that's within walking distance of your home.

Um if you need to use a restroom, you're probably you know it's probably just better if you um walk back home and uh and go.

But uh some of these are our uh all this list right here are what we consider our community parks.

Um, some of them are what what I call a hybrid park or the are really categorized as neighborhood park, but probably um are somewhat used for a lot of events and um we do have different things that happen out there, and we kind of communicate that as a hybrid part.

Um Andrews right now has uh zero open restrooms.

Um we do have uh plan for three later.

Saxon Park has zero restrooms.

We do have one funded um is uh whenever we get to around to to building that, we're kind of waiting for some infrastructure to get to that part so that we don't have to pay for the infrastructure um upgrades to the the area that we want to build it at.

Uh Griffin Park uh we have four restrooms inside of a sports complex.

Uh we have one restroom that's eventually planned.

Um hopefully at some point um we'll have a future playground out there on the northeast side of the the park that uh connects to a nice um ADA uh accessible playground and um close uh out there to a dog park.

Reese Park has five restrooms that are inside the sports complex.

We have one funded.

This bathroom should have been built by now, but we did have one design, went out to bid, and it came in almost 120,000 over what we had budgeted.

So we had to go back to the drawing drawing board, and um that's not even close enough where we can VE that building to get built.

Um that was almost 100% more than what we had budgeted for.

So we had to go back and uh to the drawing board and get uh figure out how to have a complete new plan for that.

Northeast Lions has a restroom, Rotary has a restroom, Lions Park has a uh restroom, Legacy Park has a restroom, Little Acts.

We uh uh we do consider that having a restroom uh uh in the future.

We would like to have a permanent restroom out there uh instead of uh right now, those are porta potties, and they do get cleaned regularly and stay stay pretty uh pretty accessible to the public, and never hear a whole lot of uh negative feedback about those.

Uh Falls Lake View is one of those unique park is technically uh you it's out in Ward 5, and Ward 5 always ask why don't we have more community parks?

Is you don't have a whole lot of planned neighborhood um parks out there or neighborhood development out there, and that's how we get parkland gifted back to the city.

Is uh it has to be a a neighborhood development, and there's a formula that goes with so many um residents are gonna live in that's how many how much anchor acreage you get back there.

And ward five being extremely rural, there's not neighborhood traditional neighborhoods um built out there.

So we do have what we would call uh a not your so typical neighborhood park out there, but there's no neighborhoods anywhere close to that park.

There's a school close to that park.

We used to have a a restroom out in that park, but that one was so frequently vandalized that we removed that bathroom.

Uh so that's just kind of the list of uh parks with restrooms that we do have in our community.

Uh kind of went over through uh some of these uh solutions that hopefully we can check the box.

We already got that door repaired out there.

We're gonna be coming back.

Uh you'll see sooner than later, a future capital project replaced that iron sewer sewer line with a six-inch PVC line that um leads back to the uh sewer, and we want a like an industrial strength grinder that will grind up anything that gets flushed down that toilet.

Uh these are common, just some of the solutions, not necessarily what we're asking for, but demolition or replacement of the restroom building.

Uh, and I'll show you some pictures of these uh here in a second.

Uh this might not be only a solution for Andrew's part, but may a lot of our our uh bathrooms that are out in the public because we do have vandalism everywhere.

Every single one of our restrooms do get vandalized at a certain point.

Uh we have been we looked out there and we found this QR system that is uh becoming more and more frequent for those that have public restrooms.

Well, you go up there and you have an app on your phone, and you um there's a QR code that you can scan, get the app on your phone, and then it will send you a temporary QR code, and you put your phone up to that and it scans that QR code.

One that lets us know who's in the restroom.

If it does uh get vandalized, it lets us know the amount of time that somebody's in there.

So if we have um somebody to stay in there more than longer 15 to 20 minutes can send us alert, um, usually that's when something's happening.

Uh it also can have also can have communication with uh whoever's using that restroom about hey, you're out of toilet paper, there's no soap.

Uh uh if there is a vandalism or your bathroom's dirty, it can all be communicated through through this communication um system.

There's this thing called Portland Loose, which I think that uh we've all discussed, and uh I'll show you show you that here in a second.

Restroom trailers.

Uh so when you start talking about your Portland loo, this is a picture of what uh Portland Lou would look like.

Um has uh uh solar lights in there.

The only thing that you really need to need to have for this restroom is um the infrastructure of water and um sewer connected to it.

Uh they will deliver this to you on a truck in that shape or form.

You just have to be ready to connect it to everything you need to.

Uh depending on what features you want in that restroom that can run between 200 and 200,000, 250,000 delivered to you.

Uh so we would estimate um probably guessed if you want to get water and sewer hooked up at it, depending where you're probably putting that in, it'd probably be an additional $50,000 or so to get that water and um sewer hooked up into that.

Uh this is kind of a a cool one when we're trying to find uh a certain point we found these QR codes.

Um through a park website, or we got emailed to us, and then we couldn't find it.

So we were doing Google searches trying to find more restrooms that or the this QR code where you went up there and scan it.

We eventually found it again.

But this is one of the ones that popped up.

It's kind of the same same theory.

Um, and we're even looked to see if they actually share the QR technology.

But this same process, you would go up to this, you there's an app that you can download or scan that QR code to get inside that restroom and it lets you in.

Same thing, it lets us let us know who's using the restroom if somebody's um in there for long periods of time.

That's probably an indicator that something not that we want to happen inside that restroom.

And you know, you can tell us to cleanliness or if we need soaps or toilet paper or paper towels or or whatever.

Uh there's this uh this is kind of this little QR code um thing that we eventually found.

It's called good to go, which I think is a kind of a genius name for your app system.

This is one that I think that it's kind of cool, and if we want to uh go down this road in the future, I mean I think there's a lot of benefits to it.

We know who's using the restroom, once again who's in there, and and we can um hopefully get enough input from our users to um keep our restrooms in a better shape than what they currently are in.

And you in in thinking about is this a barrier, does this prevent folks from being able to access that public infrastructure?

And and I think our pace team would verify that pretty much everybody we encounter these days has a cell phone.

That's pretty common.

Quite a few of them do.

We have those that don't, but even CityCare has moved to calling ahead to make a reservation for the shelter, so there are phones out there.

I don't know the scanning part may be an issue for some folks because some folks still come in and use like the police department lobby to make the reservation for city care.

So it may be an I don't could take a hundred percent.

But the if they're going into the police department to call, we can also use the bathroom there.

So um interesting.

We had also talked about uh children and how if they don't have one, the benefit being a parent or other adult goes with them and scans it in.

I'm glad you brought that up, council member.

Yes, this is this I think that's a good thing.

Um a lot of times uh when you have an incident, um a lot of times is because that children that child is going on their own to the park, or that child is uh uh a parent is you know not paying attention on their phone, or they just say, uh yeah, go to the restroom.

This would force the parent to uh go to the restroom with your child, which would provide more supervision supervision and hopefully a lot less likely for an incident to happen.

And then I was gonna ask, how much is the throne?

Uh we have uh we haven't checked into that.

The uh that we were just surfing the website, and we know that's available.

Um we were kind of going through here in a fast and furious pace since you asked for us to do this, and we didn't get to catch all that.

Uh we have an appointment set up with the QR code company, which is this one uh next week, and we can set up uh we can contact Throne and get a hold of them and set up an appointment and find out how much those are too.

I would be curious about that since demolition of the current structure was an option.

Um my other thought about that is we won't have a public library online for a while, and there's the issue of Sundays.

Something like this could be a temporary solution for Andrews, and I could also see it being transported to other parks or other events, you know, if we're having a Fourth of July celebration and you just need extra bathroom capacity.

So I could see it um, yes, temporary for Andrew, but in the long run, potentially like added to our assets.

Even in that Andrew's Park temporary solution to be able to take advantage of better lines of site.

Where do you put it?

We know we don't want to put it where the current structure is, and uh we were kind of in discussions about what steps could we be taking between now and the ultimate build-out of Neandrewis Park Master Plan in terms of that stormwater infrastructure, um where the current restroom would be right smack in the middle of a hole.

We could dig, but we we could identify a spot or a couple of different spots depending on events where such uh a piece of infrastructure could be installed and still you know get it uh ADA accessible, which we know the current are not, uh, but yeah, near sidewalks near parking near other amenities in the park that would really improve the availability of that.

So uh council member Gainesbury?

Put this also and everything.

Do you think then that our port-a-poting you know companies like one like this?

Like we could maybe get them back on a contract and they would agree to come to this, knowing that it's gonna probably be a lot better experience.

Yeah, the uh I I think you said this had to be taken out by somebody.

We we've had a uh situation where uh for Norman Music Festival that I mean they're fast and furious and and getting contracts with every every single porta potty company and um probably a two or three state area to dump off toilets for a week in there.

We had a contractor or one of the porter potties that stayed there for almost a month afterwards, and we were getting complaints by a company that was uh or or one of the local business owners down there.

I was like, can you at least if you can't get them out by our business, can you at least clean them out?

And uh it costs a little bit more, but we did find a company that would finally come out there and clean them out, and then we locked them back up until they got picked up.

But yes, I think that that's possible to contractor a company to come do that.

And your honor, I'm thinking I'm looking at the design, and we're seeing two sides.

If I design that, we would design the ability to service it from the outside with connections like an RV.

So yeah, I would love to get more information on that.

That may be a really easy thing to service one of those companies' perspective or re-plug in where they just hook up and just suck out.

And then it looks like that one there would be pretty like they do already kind of spray out, sanitize and go kind of deal.

And once again, the big advantage to this is uh it's mobile.

So uh once we solve a restroom issue somewhere else, and we have another restroom issue in another part of the city, we can grab this and move it.

I like the idea of you know, I feel at least if I go up to some scam my name on it and go in, that already holds me to a different accountability that okay, big brother knows I was here, so maybe you're less likely to make those no judgment.

Hopefully, you know in their stuff.

So maybe you're reporting if there's soap or exactly to get that quicker, you hope for parents to be able to report that right away.

Yeah.

Well, too, I and like I said, there's there's a uh one of the things is you know, if somebody's in there for 30, 40 minutes and it's a public restroom, that thing's it's blazing hot in the summer, it it's really cold in the winter.

There's a there's something going on.

You know, some person's either trying to sleep, medical or emergency, medical emergency, it could be mischievous things going on.

I mean, it it was we'll probably get a text message about it, and then we can communicate with uh uh somebody at the police department to go check it out for us.

Okay, and I would add, uh I guess I'd be good to know if some of these have like changing stations or the potential for them.

Um when I was looking at the American Restroom Association, I was kind of looking at what they advocate for, which is uh safe, clean public restrooms.

They also look at the ADA demographic, but then the parents with uh infants and small children, um elderly people and accessibility and mobility issues that they might have.

So to add to that, the I think our new restroom design, we're starting with Saxon Park instead of going with our our traditional uh men's and women's side of the restroom.

We're we're looking at um basically four individual restrooms.

Uh and it's not gonna be any sex at um attached to those.

So I mean, and hopefully all those restrooms have availability to go in there and change your child's diaper.

Um plan is James, one of them to be a little bit bigger in there and include an adult changing tape.

Like a family one and room.

And to us, there's an advantage to this is because now we're not putting in these restrooms, we're not putting up um dividers, which are the easiest thing to go and break off the wall.

Um we also can go in there and if needed, if something crazy happens, hopefully have a big drain in the middle of the floor and uh pressure wash everything down.

We don't have to worry about about you know not hitting a certain area with that or worry about spray back because now we have all these weird angles because it's just a big square.

Yeah.

Um can we go back to the slide about Andrews?

Yes.

This one, the solutions.

Yes.

Um, I would like to ask this committee what your appetite is on the potential for demolition and replacement.

Knowing that the master plan um envisions a stormwater solution, and you could actually be advancing stormwater on that front if we were to demolish that in the near future.

And uh councilman, sorry, Mayor Holman.

Um I mean, I'm definitely okay.

We don't have to wait for Norman Forward 2 to start doing implementing the master plan for Ambers Park.

So that would just help get it done faster if when voters do approve that.

So I'm definitely not opposed to uh moving forward with the demo of that building.

Um I think you're mentioning to build the new one, another or new one.

One of them is where that stormwater channel is.

The other man-made ditch, yes.

Yeah, and the other one would be on the north side of the park.

So maybe one of those two we could build first, maybe I don't know, around the new.

I think that that one might be slightly more complicated because I think both of those uh one's attached to a classroom and the other one's attached to that that stage.

So yeah, it's a lot more structure.

So I would imagine that those would be quite quite a bit more expensive to build out.

I I would try to.

I think we were I was even had a conversation with uh Chris Mattingley before we got in here and start talking about the possibility of of starting to dig these detention ponds.

Um, one we have to get them designed because we can't just go out there and uh and figure out capacity and how how the proper way is going to drain, how we're gonna uh detain water, how we're gonna release water before a storm.

I mean, we need a somebody that's definitely smarter than a park surrect guy to tell all us all that.

Uh but I think that some of this work, at least to a certain level, that that can be um self-performed by the city to uh some of that.

We can go out there and off times um dig start digging that pond is um we have the ability to do that work.

We have the ability to kind of go out there and survey while we're doing the work.

Uh and I mean, yes, that would be the first thing that we need to do is try to clear out that pond and readjust uh I would put the pond naturally back where water should be flowing, not what way it's flowing now.

Well, I'm definitely good with getting the ball rolling on the Andrews Park stuff, and that's the first stuff that we can do.

Yeah, or steps in two when we uh we're talking about if we did demo that building today.

The uh the attempt would be trying to salvage as much as much stone from that.

Be even though it's not WPA stone over there, it's pretty dang close to it, and we probably use that on one of the the other structures that we would build.

That was gonna be my question.

What was salvageable of that?

Um, and that structure was from 1972.

When do you think the original structure was built, James?

Well, the history there was there was sort of a bathhouse type thing, it's like a changing area that we think was put in there in like in the 40s in the style of the castle buildings over by the escape.

So those older buildings in the channel and the amphitheater on the National Register.

That building is not.

It was sort of built in in homage to those, and then it was renovated in the 70s, put that mansard roof on it, put the outside uh bathrooms on it as well.

Um, so yeah, it it's probably the original structure was from the 40s, we think, and then the renovation and the bathroom additions were uh in the 70s.

Boy and our population was so small compared to where we are today.

The community build, they all showed up in the bar.

Accessibility wasn't a thing at the time.

I mean, it was it was built to meet the need at the time.

And obviously it worked for many, many, many years.

And when we built the uh shelter the rock shelter up in the corner, we actually tried to find that stone and that quarry closed long ago.

So salvaging that rock would be a good thing because if you want to it's hard to find something that matches, we had a pretty good job on the rock shelter, but it'd be great to stockpile that we did the same thing at Northeast Line, by the way.

We saved all the rock from that one, and uh we used it when we rebuild some things, so we always try and collect what we can salvage what we can, but some of us just yeah, yeah.

Um, council member Gainesbury.

Just you know, like probably PD would even agree or whatever, and a concerned parent.

If we're not going to have that bathroom there, I'd like to have it torn down and gone with and saved and whatever, just for line of sight now to increase at what we already have, where we don't have that hidden area that somebody could be hiding lurking in or whatever, and being up to no good in, and if they police could drive by there and see all the way out to the field almost in and everything behind there and stuff like that.

So in our police report, it was actually 2019 that explosive device uh was was put in there, and I was talking to uh Chief Foster about it, and they have a camera that actually faces the park.

I guess it's on on the police station, and they never saw the person walk in, but they saw the person walk out, and of course you're going away from it, but yeah, yeah, somehow they were able to get inside there and yeah without being seen, but not leaving.

So I mean, and that person's going away at this point, you know.

It was uh council member Dixon.

You mentioned that the pasture plans been approved by council.

Has any of that been funded?

No.

I think that we have not asked for it.

Have we asked any of the projects to be funded yet?

I think uh one of our goals is uh we were trying to finish off a few things at Reeves, um, including that that uh we had a demo.

I don't know when you want to talk about a uh I mean the a horror film could have been filmed at that bathroom that was at Reese Park, it was scary.

Um but we knocked that down um and we were hoping to build it pretty quick and but man, but I don't know if it was our design that we had or if it was just uh the cost of construction at the time.

It was it came in and I think we had 350,000 budget for it and it came in at like 470.

It was correct.

The the master plan, I think our initial cost estimate was about 26 million dollars.

What we saw personal opinion, once again, I'm wrong on every single thing, I guess, about every single thing, I guess.

About the we think that's uh about your wife.

Yeah.

Yeah, we think that that's extremely high.

That was going through a phase where right after COVID when that was cost estimated and architects did uh were getting burned at the time.

They don't want to be wrong.

That was uh I'm not gonna be wrong price, but yeah, we think it's a little bit cheaper.

Um and and this, you know, just kind of a council conversation in in terms of our ability to if if it is your desire for us to um settle in with you know landscape architectural type people and uh to understand in the master plan, you know, we look at the aerial.

Jason, do we have an idea about what the those future restroom structures look like, or is it more is it more generic than that?

We don't know the architectural style of number seven.

Well, we have a general idea of the style, so it's the so when we hired for this, it was a little bit backwards from what they did at ScissorTail.

I think that the main architects at ScissorTail were hired to build structures, and then they hired a uh landscape architect as a as a secondary.

We did it backwards.

We we hired a landscape architect as our primary architect, and then they went and hired a um an architect to be uh you know, it's kind of a secondary, but we have the same architect that um for our structures that built scissor tail park.

And and they are mentioning that they this would be much like with subtle differences of the same things that you have in the stage and restroom buildings up at Scissor Tell Park.

If we have grades, and I don't know how much topography uh will change.

Um so if if council said there are components of this we would like to advance, and it may make uh that Norman Forward 2 question an even easier sell.

We're gonna advance these pieces, we're gonna need Norman Forward 2 to help finish this off.

If you knew what grade the a future restroom building need to be set at, so we heaven forbid we build it first, and five years from now we're tearing it down because it's three feet too low or two feet too high.

I think there are pieces that we could advance as part of the capital program that provide necessary amenities sooner than maybe Norman Forward 2.

Uh Mayor Holman.

Yeah, so if we're able to get that channel moved, and then we can build that restroom next to the skate park, which is already a real busy part of the park.

And it's busy until nighttime every night.

So a bunch of eyes already on it.

And it's already seemingly we could probably build that one without it interfering with anything else because it's we've already built the skate park right there, right?

So yeah, and so when you start talking about this, your your spoils from all this start right here ends up being this right there.

That that's where we would have to make sure that we're pretty pretty close on.

Uh burnt.

So I was thinking you probably couldn't build that restroom or the other one.

Yeah, that one on the corner would be the one would make sense first.

The manager's point by the skate park.

That's the skate park that we have now in that restroom, right?

Won't be a whole lot of grade change there.

Yeah.

So if we can, but we gotta get rid of the channel.

That's the thing that has to that grade has to change.

So we need to get bring all that up to that level, and that's where we build the that restroom.

That may be a real logical element for us to advance.

Um just the redirection and the and the development of that stormwater solution.

Um, and it provides that that the opportunity for that uh permanent restroom structure to be built.

So um I'm glad we're having this conversation now.

In budget development, uh, if we need to allocate some resources to see how much of that work we think we could tackle internally.

I know we can dig some holes.

Um we can fill a ditch.

Yep.

So we we this this may be a great first piece.

Uh step one of that master plan implementation, and we'll see how much that we can do internally with uh staff, you know, anyone with mowing season slows down.

Yeah, that could be great.

The the demo of the building won't cost us anything.

Uh I will say the number one thing that our apartment's crew loves to do is to demo stuff.

So we'll probably have people like tripping over their cells to get into the machinery to knock that building up.

So it sounds like the direction is some signage to let people know what's available now.

Some point on our agenda, or it won't have to come back through like a study session or anything to demo it.

No.

We just had to file it.

I I I think you know, I mean, we got enough here that I think the we're we're comfortable with it.

Usually that's either a park director or a city manager direction.

And it's not a budget thing.

Yeah, so we don't need to.

Correct.

Um, and the um opportunity for us to bring you back that uh throne solution and the QR code solution.

Yeah, we'll put those on an upcoming agenda as soon as we get information.

Yeah, we can probably have that in the next 30 or 60 days.

Okay.

Sounds good.

I hope quite the Facebook chat and everything.

Would Tiffany be able to like send out some kind of communication out there about where the bathrooms are located, also and everything like that, that reaches more people instantly rather than them having to come to the park and see it for themselves.

You know, and I think uh your honor, to that point, um, as we zero in on maybe that throne solution to be able to say here's what you should be looking forward to.

Uh more park amenities coming your way and ADA accessibility.

There's some good positive steps that can come from that.

We heard your concerns here.

Yeah, I would love to file that under civic IQ on this.

Um that's a good idea.

All right.

Um, are there any more questions or comments?

No, okay.

Well, thank you so much, Jason.

Thank you for putting your job.

We appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

Awesome.

This meeting's adjourned.

Thank you.