Good evening and welcome to the City and Norman Board of Park Commissioners meeting for Thursday, September 4th, 2025.

First thing we'll do is roll call and Billy Davidson.

Todd Fagan.

Christy Isaacson here.

Martin Nanny.

Here.

Tori Ted Orlaffin.

Here.

Ellen Ustri.

Christy Wright.

Christina Whitecoff.

Okay.

First item consideration of approval acceptance rejection amendment and postponement of the minutes as follows.

The Board of Park Commissioners regular meeting minutes of June 5th, 2025, and the Board of Park Commissioner meeting special meeting minutes of July 3rd, 2025.

Do I have a motion to approve those?

All motion to approve.

Second.

Second.

Thank you, Mark.

All in favor?

Any opposed?

Passes.

Okay.

Consideration of approval acceptance rejection amendment and or postponement of previously approved city council items.

I'll hit these up real quick, knock them out.

The uh first one we had on August 12th was uh uh cleaning contract with uh clean freaks for uh the amount of 22,182 a month.

Uh just remind everybody we do all the building maintenance for all facilities across the city.

So this is one large contract, I think covering about 13 facilities, including City Hall.

Uh so this is uh discovering that, so it looks bit like a big number.

It is a big number, but it's a lot of square footage that's getting covered.

Uh we did have final payment for our contractor with a professional community wildlife protection plan of about four thousand dollars.

We did have a contract with Muscle Sports Lighting to add lighting out at the Westwood tennis courts.

Well, this is replacing a bunch of uh uh lighting at our older courts right there on the northwest side of uh the Westwood tennis complex, and then on August 26th, we did have a contract uh transfer from a healthy living center Norman LLC.

From uh basically the gist of that would be uh went from a healthy living Oklahoma City to a separate different contractor, um, but still the same same staff of Healthy Living Um Norman, which is a board that is set up uh with Norman residents.

So uh same same people uh working it, just different boards, and this board's based in Norman instead of Oklahoma City.

So it was good news for us.

I'll have to take any questions about this.

Why does the YFAC not have charges for the sound?

This one's not included in that one.

The uh originally we did have Clean Freaks that was gonna do that, uh, but we uh took them off because they it was too much for this is a newer company in the Oakland City area.

Uh they uh did it for a few weeks and then decided they didn't want to do it anymore.

It was too much for them with everything else, so that's one of the ones they dropped, and we went back to our uh former contractor that was doing that, and you'll probably see that bring come back up in September.

It's taking us a while to get the contract.

Okay, I'm just curious as to why we have a zero zilla.

Thank you.

Any other questions for Jason on any of those things?

I didn't hear that from turns off.

This is our last time next item consideration, approval, acceptance, rejection, amendment, and or postponement of the annual report from Sooner Theater.

I'm here for you.

Hi, thank y'all for letting us go first today.

Um we have a guest choreographer in town from New York City, and he's working with the kids, and I just need to get back and help him out.

Um, I'm Jennifer Baker, uh, executive director of the Sooner Theater, and that's Nancy Coggins.

She's our everything, um, uh marketing and development and everything else.

So she'll be here to answer questions if we need it.

Okay, uh, you've got a bunch of serious business people here tonight.

Um, so I'm the cheese part of this, and I get a little sappy, so just ignore it, and then y'all can get on to your business.

So we were reminiscing today about last year's park um meeting that we came to, parkboard meeting.

And so I said, should I get a little sappy and cheesy and tell them what happened last year?

And she's like, they would expect nothing less if you did.

Um we left here last year and got in our car, separate cars, and then we called each other.

And I was like, you know, it feels really good to have people you can share with.

Y'all came up with so many incredible ideas last year when we were talking about accessibility for the theater, and we took everyone to heart, and we were just talking, we're like, that felt so good.

And then I called my husband and I started balling, and he goes, Oh, it didn't go well.

I said, Yes, it went great.

The deal is sometimes when you um serve on these boards, because I know I I've served on plenty.

Um, I don't know if you ever get the thank you that you deserve.

Um, but we went away last year talking about all these fantastic things, but I don't know if we ever thanked you.

So thank you for being a partner.

And Jason, I wanted to say thank you because every time we go to a meeting together, I feel like I've got a wingman, you know.

It's like what we're doing matters when it's not as big and as important as all this, you know, but it is important.

What am I saying?

It is important.

Um, lives are being changed, and that's our mission.

So I hope you got to read the report.

I don't want to go through and read it today unless you just really want, I think you know it.

You have a copy if you have any questions.

Um, I wanted to share with y'all some really fun stuff going on right now.

This is last year's full fiscal report.

But I want to share with you the things first so you will know as our partner what's going on before it it hits kind of the news.

Um we uh so we take a group to Atlanta every year.

It's called the Junior Theater Festival.

We've been going for 10 years.

Um we get on a bus, we take them to Atlanta, we compete, we uh have a big theater festival with 7,000 other thespians from all over the world, um, their age, just like them.

Um this past year we won.

Uh we won the big award.

And I won a big award.

I mean, I I won this, it's called the Freddie G Fellowship, which is stands for Freddie Gershawn, who is a very um important person to musical theater and to the Broadway industry, and they give fellowships every year to educators, directors across the country.

And I was one of the lucky five this year.

Got an expense paid trip to New York where they whined and dined us, we saw shows, we did professional development, we um hobnobbed with industry professionals, you know, we just thought we were so cool.

So standing in the middle, walking in the middle of Times Square, I talked to their director, and I said, you know, we would love to bring y'all to Norman, Oklahoma.

And I don't know how, but we would love it if you could come work with our students, with our uh teachers.

Um maybe one day we could bring in kids from other theaters, other you know, local theaters, and do a celebration.

And they're like, I said, we need to fill out this form.

They're like, don't worry about the form, let's just find a date that works for both of us.

So I got really excited and I ran up to the front of the line to another director of their program.

And I said, Oh my gosh, I think it's gonna work.

I think we're gonna bring in a Norman.

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

And she goes, Well, I hope we're coming a lot this year.

And I went, What?

And she put her arm around me.

She goes, You all have been selected to premiere a new children's musical.

So we are in the midst of working with iTheatrix and DreamWorks.

Um, they're coming.

Representatives from both Broadway and DreamWorks will be here in December.

Um, so we are from we're not allowed to say the title yet, but DreamWorks, you can probably guess.

Um, maybe, but we're super excited.

That's going on right now.

We just started our rehearsal, so we'll be taking two shows to Atlanta this year, but you'll probably hear a lot about it.

It's gonna be on the news, it'll be in the papers and all that.

But we're so proud of our team and so proud of these students, everyone's giddy.

So that's a big thing that's coming up, and I wanted to share it with you.

Um, as well as I left that week.

Not only did that we have this incredible week in New York City, but they also gave me a check for $5,000.

I was like, what is this?

And I said, What do I do with it?

Because it was made out to me.

I said, Do I just sign it over to the theater?

What do I do?

And they said, no, we want you to use it for something theater related, but we don't want it to go into a general fund.

We want it to be something theater related or for your team.

And so we're using it for development for the rest of the staff because I felt guilty I was there without them.

But um, so that's really exciting.

Also, we just got an invite from the Oklahoma City Philharmonic, and they want our kids to sing with them on September 21st at their Discovery Series.

Our kids have never sung with a full um Philharmonic size orchestra.

So this is gonna be an incredible experience for them.

And if anyone's uh goes to the Philharmonic shows, we would love to see you there.

Um also we were just invited.

The students were just invited to perform at Allied Arts Opus event.

It's their huge fundraiser.

And if if you know who Allied Arts is, it's really besides the City of Norman, our largest funder.

Um, but it's kind of a coup because it's a who's who of the arts world for Oklahoma, and our students are getting to perform, as well as they'll be performing at the United Ways celebrity scene this year.

Another fun thing, and Katie, since you're in the house, I want to tell this.

We are partnering with the wellness center next summer, and you've heard of Broadway Junior, which is all the the shows like the one we're getting to premiere.

They take these full-scale musicals and they bring it, you know, they cut it down and they change some of the adult content, and they change some of the keys of the music to make it work for students.

Um well, they've done that for the senior group, and so we're bringing back theater 55 and partnering with Healthy Living and the Wellness Center, and we are going to be doing guys and dolls for seniors.

So it's going to be, I mean, I can't wait.

I've joked that finally I'm gonna get to play Adelaide and guys and dolls.

I aged out of it a long time ago.

This is my chance.

No, so huh?

Oh, yeah, I'll do that one too.

No, but we're super excited, so we'll let you know about that.

It'll be next June.

I think we all need to come out and support that.

That's gonna be fun.

Um, really quick, our enrollment, even though this report is for last fiscal year.

We just had enrollment, we haven't even started, we haven't opened the studio yet, and we're already up 15% um over a hundred new enrollments.

And um, our auditions for our adult shows were up too.

We could we couldn't believe the number that turned out this year.

So things are getting back to normal, and it's really healthy numbers.

Um with that, this past year, our scholarship uh requests were up at almost 70,000.

$68,000 we gave in scholarships last year.

So everything's kind of on the rise, but that's that's what we do.

Um, and for those of you that don't remember my story, that's not a program we ever want to chance on or um modify.

Um, we just have a philosophy we're never turning away a student because they can't afford it, so we just find a way, and um yeah, to the tune of almost $70,000, but we will find a way, and um you know, like some of you may remember, I was the scholarship student here in Norman, so it's important to us, and those kids don't need to know that their scholarship, they just need to know they have a place.

Um so that's kind of some of the fun stuff going on right now, and um, we're looking forward to this season that um for all ages, and we're so proud, we're so proud of the team and the people that do this, not because they're getting a big paycheck, but because you know they just can't live without it, it's in their blood and they believe in the mission.

So that's kind of the new stuff on the horizon, and we would love to take questions on the packet or anything else that you would like to know.

Of course, I have a question.

Good.

Well, the easy one, did y'all find an auditor?

Yes, yes.

It's almost finished.

It's I'm just happy for you all that you got it.

That was such a struggle.

It's been a struggle.

Yeah, it really has.

So happy for you.

And the the biggest struggle, well, that was pretty big, but just going online.

If y'all remember, we went online with QuickBooks, and it completely I don't know what it did, but our books are oh they're such a mess.

So we've hired Id Bailey, and they've come in to help figure it out.

But I know it's gonna help us in the long run.

But someone old-fashioned like me, I'm like, I don't get any of it.

Can we just go back to the pen and paper?

That that might explain.

Calculators, right?

Because a couple of my questions were also your June 30th, 24 um assets had a huge accounts receivable.

That's been fixed.

Well, yes, it had to do with the transition online from you as soon as the audit is gonna be that.

Yeah, it's been something.

Um I just didn't want to give a lot of doom and gloom this year.

I hope it's all happy.

Anything else?

Any other questions?

Oh, you gotta be kidding.

Y'all are awesome.

Thank you so much.

Um, yeah, come see Matilda.

And then James will be in Scrooge in December.

So come see that too.

And always if you have questions, and still after you know, last year I said I'd love to give y'all a tour to show you what we were talking about with all the accessibility issues.

So any time.

Um let's I mean, let's plan that.

Let's make it a priority.

Y'all need to see it.

So we can all hold hands and jump in together.

We're uh our tour or park tour got moved this year.

We usually do it in the um spring.

So we're gonna do it in the fall.

I don't know if we picked a date just yet, but if you chair would like to move it uh sooner theater, we can add that to the tour list.

Yeah, just uh we'd love it.

I'd love to show y'all everything that you know dreaming about.

So okay, is that it?

Gosh, y'all were so easy.

Thank y'all.

Thank you.

Thank you, Jennifer.

Okay, we're gonna go to 42nd Street right now.

Okay.

Um fourth item on the agenda consideration of approval, rejection, amendment, and or postponement of land or fee in lieu of park land for the Colerain multifamily PUD edition.

Hello, does this work?

Or do I I can use this myself?

I need a motion to consider motion to accept the Sooner Theater report and forward it to council.

So moved.

Second.

Okay.

All in favor?

Aye.

Thank you.

Motion passes.

James.

Hello, James Briggs, Park Development Manager.

So yeah, it's working.

So Colorain Multifamily Edition.

Uh on Mhoff Road.

Uh, if you've been down there, there's several apartment complexes that are kind of long and skinny.

If you look at them in plan view, they kind of go north from Mhoff up towards uh Wood Creek Park essentially.

Um this is sort of the next one.

This is a uh a development that is located as you see.

Does it have a pointer?

But you can see right there, it's sort of this this undeveloped area that's the last remaining kind of parcel there as you head uh north on MOF Road between Classen and 24th East.

Very close to Oakhurst Park, which is in the neighborhood that's been there a long time.

Um gosh, since the 70s, maybe, and then Wood Creek Park is just to the north of there.

There's this unsold undeveloped parcel directly north of Colorain that isn't us, but it's like I said, the we have access in close by, and then Colonial States is up north of Lindsay Street.

So what they're building is uh oh, I tried it.

Okay.

Next slide, please.

So this is uh turn north is to the left.

So there's Mhoff Road over on the right.

So it is a kind of a linear uh development.

There's an entire uh large piece of land along the um eastern border that will remain uh undeveloped, uh floodplain, all that kind of stuff, a lot of trees, all that.

But in the development itself, next slide.

Oh, there you go.

So there's the entry off of Mhoff Road.

So clubhouse, you can see basketball court, couple pickleball courts, um picnicking, swimming pool, all that kind of stuff, and as you proceed north, you get to the other part of the development, another basketball court, set of pickleball courts, that kind of stuff.

Um as you see from the report, they have the 456 units of apartment housing, 2.0178 acres would be the public park decision if we we went that way.

Um twice that big 4.03 acres at a private park.

Um they have they'll develop 34,200 worth of uh neighborhood park development fees as the building permits are issued in the same in community park.

So if a private park were created, um there would be um we couldn't we couldn't count the things like the uh clubhouse and the pool and all that towards private park.

There's not really a lot of walking trails, although, like I said, there's a lot of uh green space.

There's sort of the amount that not building on.

There's a detention pond up there again, north is left.

Uh so the the detention pond and then all sort of that treed area around it um along that border between that and the old neighborhood remaining undeveloped.

So saying all that, and I kind of shaded it in, but you can see there's a lot of trees and things on that eastern edge.

Um they do have a connection, all right.

Uh gosh, it's just off the page.

Doggone it, you can't see it off the screen.

But in your report, you see there's a sidewalk connection to Twisted Oaks Drive.

Twisted Oaks is one of those neighborhood streets um coming out of that uh that neighborhood to the east of them.

So Twisted Oaks as it stands, currently dead ends in that neighborhood, thinking someday it would connect to a neighborhood.

Well, it's going to connect to this.

So they will build not a driving access because I won't get into the vagaries of zoning, but they're not allowed to build that street to connect, but they'll build a crash gate in case there needs to be emergency access.

But they will are able to build a sidewalk connection out of there.

You go, out of uh Colorina, you can see it right there on that sort of far north parking area that Twisted Oaks Drive connects to the uh development, and they will have sidewalk access to walk into the neighborhood and then over to Oakhurst Park, and or to uh exit the neighborhood and and up towards Wood Creek Park, they can drive to any of those.

So, saying all of that and seeing what they have proposed for on-site amenities, recreational amenities, which are many, and then uh their desire to do a fee in lieu of land.

Besides all that, we would recommend that you park board accept a fee in lieu of land decision.

I know we have a representative developer here in case you have questions, but that's where we are with Colorain multifamily addition.

I'll take questions.

I I have a question I got a little confused when I was reading it, and I think you clarified it, but I want to make sure it a couple places we say that we can walk out at that twisted oak.

Twisted Oak Drive, yeah.

Twisted Oak Drive, but then there's another point where the report says accessing public parks would require exiting the addition and driving.

Driving access.

Um I'm sorry, that's did I say that wrong.

Other public parks are also close by, however, they are accessed by crossing busy collectors.

It was the very last one.

Oh, sorry, that's that one.

Yeah, above the recommendation.

Driving access.

So yeah, just driving access would require so you can't drive out of that drive on Twisted Oaks.

If you want to drive to a park, you'll have to exit on Mhoff Road and make your way to there.

Make your way around.

But you can walk to Oakhurst Park.

Okay.

Or eventually to Wood Creek Park, which are close by.

So, but if you have to drive, then you have to leave the development because Twisted Oaks is not allowed to connect right there.

I was trying to say it that way.

So my sentence is driving access to the public park.

I know, I know it was hard to say.

But so there's thank you.

So there's going to be a trail through the trees.

No, not really.

There's a sidewalk.

It goes to Twisted Oaks.

There's no trail in the trees that I show.

We can't require that of them, and they're not showing a trail.

But there's a sidewalk access that runs along that.

See that long stretch of road that goes through the green up towards Twisted Oaks?

There's just sort of a long road out of that parking lot that goes towards Twisted Oaks Drive.

Yeah, one that goes straight.

Right there, right there.

He's pointing.

That that goes right through the trees, does it not?

It will there'll be a road.

There's like a there's a okay.

And then that, but how far away is that from Oakhurst Park?

Um, a couple of blocks.

Oh that's so you exit right there.

It's the north.

See that so you go down to where that street goes into the north part of Colorain.

Follow that street around the bend uh further north.

Right there.

So it's it's a it's across there's one apartment complex and one block of residential in between it and Oakhurst Park.

Okay, so it is through the trees then.

Um are those not trees right there?

They're gonna build a road right through the trees.

Yes, so see that road right there that they're building.

That is through the trees, yes.

Yeah, okay.

But there's no walking trails or anything other than there's a sidewalk along the road.

Right that'll get you on the twisted oaks.

Yeah.

Sidewalk access.

There will be a sidewalk access.

You can explain why the road cannot connect if you want to.

I don't know why the road.

Correct.

It's that's an emergency gate there.

So if they need to bring a uh fire truck in through there for some reason, they can crash through that gate and get to there.

So it's an emergency access essentially, but it can't be a public road.

So we took it, they took advantage of that for our recommendation in early development.

Like you should put a sidewalk along there and connect to the neighborhood.

That way the people that live there can just walk to Oakhurst.

Yes, there'll be a walkthrough.

There'll be you can totally walk, it'll be an unblocked access.

It'll just look like a sidewalk.

And you walk by this gate going, why is there a gate in the middle of this road?

It's like because it can't connect legally because it's not a collector, it's sort of a dead end.

They are redesigning that may become a cul-de-sac, I hear, right there on the Colorain property where you can turn around and get back out in case you've turned and said, Oh, I'm gonna go, oh dang, there's a gate.

I think there's they're in the midst of reading it, won't change our recommendation here because they're gonna change the number of houses or the proximity of any parks.

But I think they're working through a redesign to make that a cul-de-sac so people can get out if they or can turn around and say, oh dang.

Yeah.

How do you get to uh Wood Creek Park?

Wood Creek is a little different.

There's two ways, strangely enough.

You see the apartment complex next to it on the east.

That actually has no fences or anything to it.

So you can I don't think these two apartment complexes connect necessarily, but you can exit on M off and just go up their sidewalks and everything and and enter it there.

There's no trail to actually get to Wood Creek Park.

You'd probably be best to either walk through uh the Oakhurst Park neighborhood and make your way over to say either Lindsay Street or down the next street over.

I can't think of what that one is.

Oh gosh, Concord, and you can make your way over towards it.

Um if you're if you're a hardy soul and don't need a trail and you can just walk through the trees, you could actually you could literally walk, it's not an accessible route, but just right out of this location across that treat area, and you're in Wood Creek Park.

That's where it because there's a street that dead ends.

See that uh that piece of Wood Creek Park that is just basically north of uh Colorain.

There's sort of a panhandle of Wood Creek Park in the green.

Uh-huh.

There's a basketball court there, and and it's clear, and there's a baseball area, and there's a walking trail that goes all through there all the way up along Concord the entire length of Wood Creek.

Okay.

So you can either drive to it or you can kind of make your way to it by walking through those neighborhoods.

Get a machete and yeah, yeah.

Or you can just go on your actually.

I can't tell you that because you'd probably be trespassing, so don't do that.

Don't do that.

That's private property.

Okay, shh.

So that's what I know about Coleraine.

All right, just to be clear.

They're developing all of that, but the majority and of course the road and the and the sidewalk, but the majority of the uh current um forests will be left.

I believe you can answer that if you want.

I don't think there's any plans to clear trees.

Yeah, yeah, I think they'll have to clear trees to make the pond.

See the big odd-shaped polygon there.

That's gonna be a detention pond that they're required to build.

So they'll clear trees to build that, but everything else I think stays.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Okay.

Staff is recommending that the park board accept fee in lieu of land decision for the Coleraine multifamily PUD edition.

Do I have a motion to accept that recommendation?

I motion we accept that recommendation.

Thank you, Christy.

Second.

Thank you, Christina.

Um, all in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Motion passes.

Thank you.

James, you're up here still, aren't you?

Okay, we have consideration of approval, acceptance, rejection, amendment, and or postponement of land or fee in lieu of park land for the tolls trails spud edition.

Okay.

Toll trails.

Probably everyone in Norman knows what this land is.

It's where that big pond is at the corner of Porter and Rock Creek.

Jason knows he's nodding his head because the parks department gets calls all the time saying, Is that a public park?

Can I go fish there?

Let me say you can knock on their door, but it's private, and they probably won't let you.

But so yes, um, it's right adjacent to Norman North property, um, just sort of to the east side of their uh new stadium and ball fields and all that.

And technically, they even own the western shore of that lake, I believe, is what we uh have discovered.

So toll trails is now being proposed to be developed.

Um, as we said in the report, the house will remain up in the northeast corner, and then south of that and around the uh pond, there'll be uh apartment complexes down toward the southeast, and then sort of a little network of streets that have some what I've been told senior living type duplexes, sort of in those cul-de-sackey streets there closest to the lake.

And I believe that's commercial up there in the far northwest corner that fronts Rock Creek Road.

So saying all that and seeing all that, uh there is a total of 360 units of either the apartment or the um uh senior duplexes dwelling units.

Uh that would be a 1.593 acre park, public park dedication if we so choose or request.

And twice that size, it was gonna be a private park, 3.186 acres.

Also yield 27,000 in neighborhood park fees, and the same in community park fees, depending on our decision.

So I think that's the way, yeah.

So the you can see that there's a lot of green space, and particularly in between the uh duplexes and the lake.

There is a a certain amount of walking trail along the lake, it shows it just sort of dead ending down there in that southwest corner.

There had to be probably a turnaround or something because again, they don't own the western shore of the lake.

It's it kind of is uh that's the property line, so that's where it it ends.

Um there's uh some amount.

I'm trying to click this, but it's not keeping up with me.

See that single um uh rectangle down there on that peninsula of the lake.

I've been told that's some kind of a picnic pavilion or some sort.

Um there's not a lot of details about what type of um recreational things there are other than the walking trail and maybe that pavilion, but they do have a lot of land there.

So for instance, what you see there, the purple shaded area in this graphic is is the amount of land they would do if it was a private park.

That's I think just right at three point, I think 3.186 acres.

That's 3.2 acres of the walking trail is shown right there.

And as you can see, there's more than that going around the lake, and then the the green areas that are not shaded purple.

So saying all of that, um, and also if you saw in your packet, and I had to mention this just for legal purposes, everything we presented, you said 2200 North Porter Avenue, a simple plan unit development.

They're re-labeling and resubmitting things that will actually be called toll trails edition.

So you were actually making a decision on toll trails edition, even though it wasn't labeled in the graphics that you were sent.

Um I didn't get an updated one for that.

So that's where they are as far as where the we don't want a public park in this necessarily.

We try not to take public parts of that smaller size, a one and a half acre park doesn't benefit us much when it comes to the you know the the time it takes us to drive to and maintain and keep up, and there's not a lot you can put in a public park of that size, but I'm not sure what the total acreage is on the on the green space you see there, but obviously it's well beyond the size of the private park decision.

So the 3.18 acres is the purple part, and there's more beyond it.

Don't have full information on what their plans would be for that park, but they would have to develop at least 27,000 dollars worth of park like amenities in their in their public park in their private park portion.

Um there are, as you can see.

Again, I'm trying to click.

There are other public parks nearby, Tolls Park edition, Tolls Park was built with Toll's edition back in the 70s, I think.

It's a it's an older park, kind of due south of Norman North.

Um and then two other parks are close by, but you have to go to a signalized intersection to get to them.

Sutton Place Park is directly across Porter Um at the Sandpiper Lane intersection, and that's sort of a one-way in neighborhood, but a very nice park there, and then Highland Village is north of there, and they it's a nice park that people enjoy, particularly the people who buy it.

Um Jason lives by it.

Uh anyway, so there is public park available.

There is um obviously sidewalks and things being built with this that would take you to to two Porter Avenue in Rock Creek if people want to seek a public park beyond the private park decision, which we are recommending.

So that's where we stand.

There's a private park recommendation, knowing that there's other land beyond what they show.

And I'll take questions, as will there's a representative from the developer here.

If they want to speak now, they can, or they can answer questions if you have them.

Is the northwest corner, upper northwest corner of that park?

Is that where you're talking about a picnic pavilion being?

No, it's um right.

There's a little peninsula just north of that South Cul-de-sac.

There's a little that right there.

No, I'm talking about oh, that's where that is.

That that's commercial areas up there.

Those are commercial buildings, I believe, is that correct?

Yeah, those are just commercial development.

Oh, for the high school kiddos, okay.

Don't know what it's for, but I know it's not residential.

Okay.

And that's commercial there on the north side of the main drive, too, right?

That that area that so the apartments are everything south of that main drive in off of Porter Avenue, all those one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, nine, ten buildings.

And then the duplexes are along the cul-de-sac roads.

So residential to the south side of the lake, commercial, essentially on the east side and then the northwest side.

So this uh sidewalk.

That's already there, or that's proposed to go along Rock Creek and along Porter.

Well, that's nothing in the room.

No, that would be built by them.

That's this is their proposal.

There's nothing there now, there's just a house and a lake.

Right, right.

But I mean, even the so the this pink area, it would be the private park, right?

That's yes.

I'm just showing you that that that accommodates what they would be required to do.

Okay.

Obviously, the entire entirety of that uh trail would be available for people to use.

So they they would intend to build all of that, but they're just showing you how much of that is 3.186 acres.

It's not advancing or going back, Mitchell.

Is there anything okay?

That's what's required, but they're proposing this.

Yeah, they're proposing to build all that.

But for example, the purple stuff is is there you go.

That purple stuff is the amount that equals the the private park decision.

So they're planning to build more than that, obviously by building all the trails.

The trail around the lake and then the green space and the picnic area down there, a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little building.

And it would be accessible to everyone, not just the people that live there.

I don't know if they plan to gate it or not.

Uh we're not gated, no.

Yeah, if anyone over in Sutton Place Addition wants to walk up there and walk in over to the lake, they'd be able to get over by the lake.

No idea what they're gonna do about fishing.

Not my business in the lower southwest corner.

There's those two trails.

Do they need that?

I don't know how um okay.

See how the trail on the southwest corner on both sides of the lake ends.

And you're on Norman North property where she is now.

I don't know if there's plans and talked into the school system.

I don't know what if any discussions happen about how to make those connect.

Um I was saying that they would have to have a turnaround if it's just in this development, it had to be yes.

So thank you, Commissioners.

There is discussions with Norman North right now as to how they want to connect, but obviously we don't have any control over the property and and that property line where the green goes down.

That is our property, the little bump out, the two little green bump outs, but obviously we can't get to it in unless by boat, and we don't really desire to do that.

So there is discussions with Norman North right now as to how do we deal with that that little piece of land right now.

So do the trails shown there on the west side, do those actually exist or are those.

No, Commissioner, they don't.

They don't.

But there's discussions with Norm North to see if they want to continue the trail all the way around the pond.

We're hopeful that that would happen.

Thank you, Sean.

Any other questions?

Okay.

Staff recommends that park board accept a private parkland decision for the tall trail spud edition.

Do I have a motion?

I move to that.

Second.

Thank you, Tori.

All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed motion passes.

Thank you.

All right.

Our next item is consideration of approval, acceptance, rejection, amendment, and or postponement of the annual report from Healthy Living Norman.

Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioners.

And Jason knows my favorite thing is to talk about the adult wellness and education center.

And I could probably do it for you know two or three hours.

And I'll try not to do that.

Um there's just so much cool stuff going on at the well in the center.

Okay.

First, I want to point out our beautiful flower sculpture.

It's called Onwards.

Um probably at our dedication for that in October.

No, November, sorry, December.

It was in December.

And um, we had a really cool event for that.

If you haven't seen it in person, come check it out.

It's it's gorgeous, and how the light refracts throughout the day is beautiful.

And believe it or not, every one of those pedals is clear.

It just does a beautiful job refracting the light.

Okay, and I have all kinds of pictures in here.

I'll try not to explain every one of them.

But um, so first I'm gonna talk about our annual activities, and all this is in your reports, but um, we do base our programming around the the six dimensions of wellness, which are physical, intellectual, emotional, vocational, spiritual, and social.

And a lot of our different programs kind of overlap many of those.

Um, but it's all part of our wellness programming.

Um here are the number of activities we did in the city's fiscal year, uh 2024 to 2025.

Um, we did uh for it presented a total of 2,455 fitness classes with attendance of more than 34,000.

Um we had 678 art classes with attendance over 4,000, and then we had uh 660 educational classes, game times, um, and events.

It's like everything else, and you'll see there's a lot under everything else, and a very long lists of things we're doing, so I'm just gonna blaze through them here.

Um first I have to point you to the photo on the lower left of our butterflies.

So we had an entry in the Mardi Gras Parade, and we won an award.

Um it was actually for best lights for our van that was with us because Jazzer Size totally stole the dance award.

But it was really fun, and and we love finding out of the box things for people to do.

Okay, so these are some of the activities we're offering regularly.

Obviously, our fitness classes in the pool and in our group fitness room, um, pickleball, uh, we also have our fitness center and dance, music and performing arts, which Jennifer gave you a tease that's gonna expand next year, and we're really excited about that.

Um we've added uh more dancing in the last year, we've expanded our cooking classes this year, and um our gardening club is doing a great job with our um gardening plot, which I'll have a slide about that later.

And we've added opera club, it's pretty cool.

Um obviously our health and nutrition classes and our regular billiards and table games, mahjong, bridge, and there's always something going on at the wellness center.

Um, and continuing on with our activities, we had some special programming over the year.

Uh last summer we did our Olympics um during the month of July to complement the Olympics, um, and that was a lot of fun.

We gave out medals and um we had sports activities as well as um activities for people that are less physically active, so something for everybody.

We just had a very successful wellness expo.

Um, you saw a picture from our beach bash on one of the earlier slides.

So um all kinds of events, um, something for everybody, and we're always taking ideas and recommendations from our members.

It's a very member-driven program.

And um more with activities.

Um so we also um thanks to a grant from the Oklahoma City Community Foundation.

Uh, we had a grant for cultural programming.

And um, so we some of these are covered by the grant, some aren't.

And we had Hononoda from Japan.

Um, she was kind of a resident here in Norman, uh teaching at various places, but she taught um monthly Japanese cultural programming, and we had some festival type events too that were fun.

And we had Hispanic Heritage Month celebration, Black History Month, um, a Juneteenth celebration.

We had a very fun day of a festival of colors holy celebration, celebrating India culture, Indian culture, and uh, we had women's history month, um, as I mentioned, lots of Japanese programming, and it kind of culminated in a sister city celebration regarding Seika, Japan, which is one of our many sister cities.

And then we also have had a lot of Indian and Pakistani cooking classes.

We're trying to lean more toward Mediterranean diet and very healthy um cooking, and they kind of fall in line with vegetarian cooking, lots of flavor, um, so that's been a lot of fun.

But um, we try to incorporate our cultural programming into everything we do at the center from one end to the other.

So the cultural activities will have music and dance, we'll use the kitchen for cooking classes, um, and we may have other food presentations, uh, we'll have art classes.

Uh, what else do we have there?

Oh, yeah, crafts, um, movies and lectures and displays, and for um Native American Heritage Month, we took a group to the First Americans Museum, and uh they loved it.

It's a wonderful museum if you haven't been to that.

Um, and then I wanted to highlight the dimensions of wellness garden that we're doing in cooperation with the Cleveland County Master Gardeners, and we have a very nice plot over there.

Um it is part of it's within their demo and teaching garden at the fairgrounds.

We are having a garden party to celebrate our garden on Tuesday, September 9th, so next week from 9 to 11 if you want to join us.

Um, but our folks have worked really hard on that, and um, it's a nice extra activity we have that's very good for your health.

Okay, so our mission.

Mission is to promote the health and well-being of adults 50 and older by providing opportunities for physical activity, social engagement, and lifelong learning at the adult wellness and education center.

And um some goals.

Our membership was at 3,358.

And here in the early September, we have past 3,500.

So we're continuing very manageable growth.

And there'll be some graphs on that coming up.

You guys may already see them.

So we have a variety of membership fees.

We want this place to be accessible to everybody who wants to work on their wellness.

So our basic individual membership is $35.

If you want a second person from your family, it's 25, and we have some discounts for veterans.

Corporates, we just started a City of Norman employee rate.

Hopefully, get that going.

We have scholarships.

And we do have a lot of those too.

So I want to point out well, also shouldn't forget the insurance members because they're more than half of our membership.

So it's a very lovely benefit for seniors who have these programs as part of their insurance benefits.

So we we accept silver sneakers, renewactive, and silver and fit, and members who can sign up with those programs pay zero out of pocket.

It's a great deal for them.

We get reimbursed by attendance.

So and these are the amounts that the cap for them, and it's we get reimbursed per visit.

So like silver sneakers, it's three dollars per visit.

So we could get three dollars from them in a month, or we could get 21.

So it varies.

So I just want to point out though, even though we our individual membership is 35, the actual average um income per member, let's see, for that period of time, July 24th through June 25, was $15.32.

That's how the insurance members kind of bring down our income.

But I wouldn't want to get rid of that because it's getting people active and healthy.

So we are growing, and that's just kind of to explain our mix for membership revenue.

Um, membership types.

I have a couple graphs here just kind of show the different types.

So insurance members, giant chunk, 58%, and then individual and family is those two other large chunks, and then the others are very tiny.

Um we have actually five Chickasaw members, so it's kind of showing up as zero percent because it's less than one Chickasaw Nation gave us a very large donation when we opened, and that those funds go specifically for members of the Chickasaw Nation.

So they're they're covered by the Chickasaw Nation.

Um and this shows you our membership growth.

Um, those are our major categories.

So the big orange one is obviously our insurance members, the yellow one is family and individuals, and then that tiny one is everybody else.

So we had 48% growth last year, which was great, and I'm glad it's it's a manageable growth.

Our first year, especially our first few months were crazy, but we did it, and um we're happy to offer all these opportunities as we continue to grow.

Um check-ins.

Um so the check-ins on the the left there, um, that is how many times people have checked in.

That that would be duplicated people, you know, how many times people have come in.

Um, and so we were you know around in the 9000s.

Um so this ended at June.

Now July and August have been off the charts.

We've had 11,000 check-ins for both in July and in August.

Um, we're kind of going through a little surge, and um the attendance we want, especially all those insurance members, we want them to come.

And um, I don't have the breakdown on that, but um it's a good thing, and we're feeling it too with that extra check-ins.

Um and then um, so total of 109,000 check-ins for the year.

Um, and then on the right is the individuals, unduplicated people.

So the average for the year was uh 1,448 per month, and you can kind of see how it goes up and down.

Um some months we had really bad weather and or we had closings, you know, in December we're closed for a couple days, and November we're closed for a couple days for holidays.

So we haven't, you know, we've only been open for almost two years.

We don't have solid patterns established yet.

We're kind of looking at how it goes at Healthy Living Oklahoma City, and um they're a totally different organization, and they have like 7,000 members, but um eventually we'll be showing some patterns, but um still we're still on a really good track.

Um these demographics um are from 2024, um majority female, and our median age is 70.

And I wanted to show you we do have a 100-year-old member.

She doesn't look a day over 75.

Um, but that's Lois.

She comes and works out in the pool twice a week, and she's just a lovely, lovely lady.

So of course we celebrated her birthday.

Um and then there's a familiar face, a couple of familiar faces.

Um, so revenue.

You guys have a very hard to read um spreadsheet there.

I'm sorry about that for our finances.

Um but in general for for this period.

Um our net revenue was 16,387, not bad for a nonprofit.

Um I would say I I know you don't have last year to compare to, but um, expenditures grew a little more than profit did for this last year.

Um really interested to see how the next one goes because July and August have been fantastic.

Um I know this is really hard to read, and I'll welcome questions when we're done.

There's a lot here, but just showing you how we did for the year.

Um giant spreadsheet, and then our balance sheet as well.

Um that was as of June 30th.

Um on the right there are pictures from our Halloween dance that was a lot of fun.

We did a thriller flash mob, and um they were amazing.

So and Parks and Rec invited us to go do it at the um zombie run.

I is that what we called it, or like we're doing run for your life this year.

Um that was super fun, and just all the other people that jumped in and did it with us and just followed along.

So we love stuff like that.

And a lot of the people in that are the same people you saw wearing butterfly um costumes too.

All right, those are from our line dancers.

That has grown like crazy.

We outgrew the group fitness room that can hold 24 participants, and now we're doing line dance on Tuesdays and Thursdays with like 50 people filling the multi-purpose room.

It is so fun.

I want to jump in there every time if I just didn't have to work, you know, but super fun.

Um annual budget you have in there, and it's kind of microscopic as well.

But I went ahead and put in what we budgeted, and then what our actual is to date.

Um, and this is for a calendar year, um, not the city fiscal year.

So um the top two lines are what we've budgeted for gross profit and net income, and um we are on target.

We probably we may or may not surpass that.

We're about halfway there from January to July, and we've already surpassed our budgeted net income for the year, so we're looking good.

Um standard things, um uh Jason mentioned the kind of transition we're doing in our organization, all the same faces.

We are just separating from Healthy Living Oklahoma City, it's a very amicable thing, and um city council just voted on the transfer of the contract.

So um I was called branch director before, now I'm executive director.

Um we have fabulous people on our board.

This is the almost completely the same advisory board we've had since before we opened.

So Lynn Miller's our president, Lee Hall vice president, Bill Scanlan, Secretary Treasurer, all former uh city council members and obviously former mayor.

Um and then um I think we have our other board members on another slide, but we uh we're adding a few people to our board very slowly.

We just added Greg Heichel, and um we have I think one more we're filling within the next month, and then we'll have one more to fill.

Um let's see.

So here's our whole board.

Um Greg Heipel just got voted in, so he's not in the picture, but you can kind of see who our folks are.

Um Amy Davenport is with OU's recreation department.

Um I have her on there twice, I just realized.

Sorry about that.

Um Elaine Purvis is with Norman Regional Hospital, they've been very supportive of us.

Uh Brian Hill is a local attorney.

Um, and then Jason is a non-voting member of our board as a city of Norman Liaison, and I just get to hang out at the board meetings myself, not a voting member or a member of the board.

Um, and then these quotes are in your packet too.

I noticed in the printed report you have there's a duplicate, and uh apologize for that.

Same same quote has two different names on it, and the other quote didn't get put in there, but this is feedback from our 2024 survey.

We are about to launch our 2025 survey.

Um, so you have um an extra handout that I didn't get into the report, which is our outcomes and results from the 2024 survey, um showing that we are doing everything we are setting out to do in improving people's lives and affecting their wellness, and um we've had pretty good satisfaction with everything.

Um, and we always get great suggestions from folks as well.

Some of them we have done over the last year, some of them will have to be on um future plans, but um I love the community we're building, and here's the other one.

I love the community we're building at the the center, and we definitely have our little clicks, but um I've noticed at the Beach Bash we had a couple weeks ago, no, a couple days ago, um they um people were dancing more, interacting more.

It felt like maybe your high school dance or something where you know everybody, and um and I guess Cheryl, you know, in our fitness classes, you guys are becoming a little community and friends.

Yeah, we get we get in trouble for talking.

You cannot talk during class.

Just saying, don't talk during class.

But I I love it that people becoming very social.

It is, and people are coming.

The social part is fantastic about your wellness and the physical activity as well.

And um I just love what we're doing, and I love that my 88-year-old dad comes and works out in the gym, he's never been a gym guy.

My 81-year-old mother-in-law comes and does some of everything, and she's a recent widow, so she's getting out there's a while that she wasn't getting out, and she's making more friends, and that is what we're all about.

I'm enjoying it too.

I wish I could just do all the classes, but maybe when I retire.

Okay, so that I just want to say thank you.

This is from our dedication of our piece of art out front.

It is amazing.

And um, do you have any questions for me?

I know there's a lot of stuff, but it's my favorite thing to talk about.

Did that art sculpture ever get lit?

Not yet.

Okay.

There's a piece we're waiting on.

Okay.

Well, I kept thinking I I haven't ever seen it lit at night, and I was just kind of curious if it's broken.

So a little complications for uh because it was manufactured in a different country.

We hooked up the LED housing backwards.

Oh and we blew the LED unit.

So and the unit is not manufactured in the United States of America, so we are waiting for a different one to come from Australia.

So once he ships it to us, hopefully we can install it, you know, attached to black wire to the black wire and the white wire.

Uh and I don't know if it's different color because it's from Australia, but we'll do it correctly the second time and make it work once we get it from our artist.

Okay.

Another reason to have a party, you know.

Yeah, a night party.

Yeah, that would look really cool.

I have a question.

Yeah.

Um, so on your membership growth chart, you know, you show that the insurance members seem to be growing.

That's what's causing their growth of the individual and family members, and the other kind of seem to be staying constant.

So is that the case?

And if so, do you think you've kind of saturated the individual and family members or I'm just curious what you think is going on?

Sure.

Well, it's it's kind of been steady parallel growth, but but definitely the insurance members are bigger.

We did add silver and fit last year, and so um that added a lot more people too.

That was just a new population of people.

And um, and they I think other gyms weren't accepting silver and fit, so that was great for us.

Um I think we're people are still don't know about us.

And so we're doing um marketing mostly focused to um inspire word of mouth.

Um we get a lot of referrals from doctor's offices, so we're doing a lot of marketing to doctor's offices.

Um and we're doing social marketing as well.

Um I would love for the ratio of those two categories to you know get closer and maybe on the other end, and that'll that'll be a goal.

Our new um board, we'll be doing some strategic planning and setting our budget for next year, and so looking at different options for gaining more members in that individual and family.

Yeah, and that could be people who are under 65 as well, the 50 to 64 range because all of these insurance programs are for people over 65.

Yeah, I just I mean, looking at that, it's like you're doing great with the insurance people, but yeah, kind of like that's because it's free to them.

Yeah, I know it's free to them.

I just yeah, yeah.

And we just have to encourage attendance, and that's what affects um our membership income.

Um but we've had some really good months, so I need to break it down and see where the insurance folks are in there.

But yeah.

We're we're looking at things we can do to encourage more participation.

Um we can't exactly just go target our insurance members because that is a breach of our contract with the insurance programs.

But um encouraging more participation from everybody is good for the bottom line for us.

I'm uh one of your individual or family members.

I'm young.

I only went because my mom was old and she wanted me to go with her.

And that's rude of me to say that um but I went on a tour and I was just really impressed.

And I just think uh over this past year, and maybe in the in the future years, more and more people my age are hearing about it word of mouth.

My husband goes there three times, four times a week.

Um it's less expensive than the YMCA, not that that's not a great facility, but your pool's better.

Um there's just so many things that people in that 50 to 65 age group um that I'm starting to hear are they're starting to come.

No kids, but the but the marketing.

That's a big one.

No kids under 50.

Yeah.

I except we do have intergenerational programming too, and it's really fun to see.

Did you say no kids under 50?

Yes.

Yes, in general.

Yes, yes.

But for intergenerational things, we would.

They just cannot get on the fitness side of the building at all.

Our liability insurance company would be really upset about it.

But it's it's a great facility, and I'm really impressed, and I really enjoy it.

Thank you.

We do hope to um be part of Norman Forward too, and um add on a gymnasium where the pickleball courts are or whatever the plan could be.

Having indoor pickleball would also help with participation as well.

Um and uh hopefully somehow incorporating a bigger walking track.

Um, because we have a little walking track that everybody has to walk across to get into the fitness center, and if we move the walking track, we would have more space in the fitness center too.

But to the sky's the limit at this place, and um there's so much we can still do.

So not only was the statement of activity tiny, it was blurry.

Could you rescind a more crisp copy of that?

Because I don't even I wasn't really even able to look at it to see if I had any questions.

Okay, so my eyes are a little old too, but yeah, I could go back to the screen, but it's still microscopic.

Right.

If it's clear, I can blow it up.

But it was I tried to blow it up and it was too blurry.

Okay.

Got it very much.

It wouldn't let me put a PDF into my document.

Next year I'll I'll send it separately.

Have you applied for certified healthy Oklahoma?

We have not.

Uh Cleveland County, they have uh certified businesses and it's free.

Oh, okay, okay.

So that you can become certified, uh, because I think well, that's a perfect yeah, you'd be a shoe in, and it's just a matter of filling out the but you can get with Cleveland County because they award those every year, and and so I think they offer grants even at times if you're certified healthy Oklahoma business.

Um City of Norman did just get added to AARP's um uh what is it aging friendly cities and age-friendly cities and communities, and that's a really nice honor that you guys got, and we we're gonna run with that one.

But I think wellness center is part of that, right?

It's a great amenity for older folks.

But yeah, I mean, you know, one of the biggest, you know, no smoking, no, you know, just smoke-free facilities.

So I mean it's just a matter of going in and filling out the application application, and it's it's certified Oklahoma has been a good thing.

We haven't said it.

We've done it.

It's easy to get.

I mean, it's easy just to do it.

It's a little bit of a pain to fill out all the information, but I think it's um Cleveland County has really been uh promoting that, and I would think that you all I said shoe in, so yeah, I think we're probably doing just about everything that's required.

Yeah, um how many full-time members do you or full-time staff do you employ?

We have four full-time staff.

Okay.

So that's myself, our business manager, our program manager, and our facilities manager, and then everybody else's part-time, part-time front desk staff, um, all the fitness instructors, art instructors mostly.

We have a few that are um contract type employees.

Right.

Um most everybody's a part-time employee.

Okay, so around 40 employees in total.

Right.

Any other questions for Catherine?

We think you're doing a great job.

And just uh continue.

And I love going there and yeah, well, we always have ideas.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you, Catherine.

Thank you all.

Um I need to have a motion to forward this on to council.

Thank you, Tori.

Second.

Thank you, Christina.

All in favor?

Any opposed.

Motion passes.

Okay.

The next item, consideration of approval acceptance, rejection amendment, and our postponement of the proposed urban forest master plan.

The tree board, the former tree board members are it is a tree board.

Hello, I'm James.

Once again, I'm not gonna speak much.

Um you have for those listening at home.

Uh, just real quick.

We last year, City of Norman contracted with Davy Resource Group, a nationwide, possibly international, if you're in Canada and Mexico or not, um, uh company to produce an urban forest master plan, which is a super useful, fantastic document that a lot of towns have, and it helps them a lot.

Um, they've done a year-long process, uh several month process of uh assessing everything we do in our uh urban forestry division, which is part of parks and recreation.

Um gathering input.

We had steering committees, we had stakeholder meetings, we had uh public input sessions on Saturdays at the awe.

So we're all in a loop here.

Um the comparing what Norman does to uh to cities of similar size population-wise, to cities of similar region, the south, and then to national standards far as what what we do um with our urban forest to help us come with a urban forest master plan to kind of guide us for the next 15 to 20 years of calling and all his other workers uh that he will gain uh work.

Um we've seen a draft of this plan, um, went through some revisions.

Uh it's here tonight.

It also was informed by and kept pace with the uh community wildfire protection plan, which you all saw and was adopted uh last month by council.

Um it's more of a fire department thing, but it certainly helps to have that data and the things they see.

You'll see some of that in the presentation about um assessing our urban forest, made sure it was stylistically in the same format as the things we did that you saw with the Norman community um parks and recreation and and cultural master plan and the aim norman plan.

So these all kind of work together for years and years of of going forward.

So at that, I'm gonna stop and introduce uh Dana and Sandra is also here uh from Davey Resource Group, and they're gonna go through a slide deck here and talk about our program that we present to you tonight.

Take it away, Dana.

Thank you, James.

Can everybody hear me okay?

Yes, I got the thumbs up from Sandra.

Awesome.

So I'm gonna introduce my colleague.

I'm Dana Carcher.

I'm an urban and community forestry specialist and project developer with the Davy Resource Group.

And I'm based in Colorado, but right now I'm in a um hotel room on vacation in Reno, Nevada.

So um Sandra Albro is um a senior planner with Davy Resource Group, and she has really been the driving force behind this um project in with her team, and uh she is located near our corporate headquarters in uh Cleveland, Ohio.

So we're gonna get things started.

Our agenda for today is or for this evening is to talk about our planning process and what we do, and then we're gonna look at some high-level findings about the trees, the actual urban forest, and how trees are managed through the forestry program, and then we'll go through the recommendations that we've come up with.

Um, and you know, when I say we, it's been a really integrated process with your team and our team.

Um, this is not our plan, this is definitely your plan.

So we'll we'll get started on the planning process next year.

And so, really, why do we want to plan?

Well, we want to plan because we need to set this vision, and it's a 20-year vision for Norman's trees, and we want to set some goals for the city to um to adhere to to move things forward, and we do that through these recommended action steps.

The thing that's really important about planning is that the you know, trees and urban forests are really a dynamic system that changes as we plan.

It's probably the only thing that changes as rapidly through things like storms and um you know opportunities to um to prune and care for trees.

So uh keep that in mind as we go through this.

We use adaptive management, which is a well-known uh planning tool.

We look at what Norman has and I'll show you how we do that.

But what do we want?

And this is a collective weed.

This is citizens, this is the team that works in trees, and um, this is other people who want to give us input.

And then how do we get there?

Will we give you some tools and some ideas to get to where the people want to be?

And then the last part is always how are we doing?

So this gives um James and Colin a really good opportunity to go back and say, okay, we you know, we have this recommendation to do this, and how are we doing on it?

And then we start kind of all over again, but really we have we have done um three steps: the what do we have and what do we want and how do we get there.

This was our project timeline.

Um, I've been in your city a couple times.

I actually had a conversation with some people early on in this process to talk about some of the things that were happening in Norman.

I think that was around 2018 or 19.

I um, but um I think that it was really good to start this project when we started it with uh late launch in 2024.

We continued with this fall and winter plan policy and program review, and we began our public engagement after Christmas time, and then now we've been writing the plan, and the final plan is coming to you.

Well, actually, it's almost complete, and so um you'll see that very, very soon.

And um, this is a typical timeline.

We always say it takes more than a year, and it really does uh because people have to do their jobs as well during this whole process.

And by that I mean that um everybody's busy taking care of trees.

Next slide, please.

So we held um uh some community engagement opportunities.

We touched about 350 residents and stakeholders.

We have a steering committee.

We really like to have a uh a process that includes the steering committee, which are people that are interested in what's happening, and that steering committee is chosen by the city.

And then we do um a survey.

We had about almost 300 people participate in the survey.

We do some focus groups that are just really targeted to hear what opinions are about trees, and we do some interviews, and then we held um a couple of community meetings, and Sandra and I both had that opportunity to do that.

Um, it was great.

Uh your people are your citizens are enthusiastic about trees, which is kind of the norm.

So uh that was that was fun, and um uh we look forward to giving that group um the plan too, and a little more detail about community engagement on the next slide.

So 84% feel there are too few trees in Norman Parks, and that that's pretty normal.

There's um in general, most people love trees.

So uh this this this shows that for this for the city of Norman, and people want more trees, which is always seems to be true.

So by ward, you can see these numbers, and but 14% of people don't know what ward they live in.

So we thought that was kind of an interesting statistic.

But um, yeah, so across all the community engagement, um, we found that residents were really supportive of trees and forestry in general.

So I'm gonna pause for any questions right here, or I'll move on.

No questions.

Okay.

So really, what is an urban forest?

And this is a you know, this is really a nice um compact little uh definition, but I would also like to throw in an urban forest is beyond beauty and shade, which cooling, of course, is very important in a place like Norman.

And uh, but it also trees bring benefits, and we'll get into a little bit more detail about that.

But uh, this picture also shows the really nice canopy that you do have, which is our next slide.

Sorry, Sandra.

But um, you have tree cover that we've been um uh tracking a little bit for you.

So uh west to east, you can see that from the community wildfire protection plan, which is the uh map on the right with a lot of yellow, the citywide tree cover is 36% from the American Forest Tree Equity Score.

Um, the tree cover in Western Norman is about 18%.

And if you look at the map, the you know, the darker the grain, uh, the more canopy coverage, the lighter the green, the less canopy coverage.

And this is um this gives you a tool to see where planting should take place, um, not at a real granular level, but at a at a um at a more you know higher level.

And then Davy Resource Group, my colleagues came out and did a tree inventory in 2024.

It didn't really cover the wildland parks.

We really looked at trees that are um you know are in parks that are uh our planned parks, and it didn't include any hackberries or mulberries on any fence rows.

Uh thousand of the trees that we inventoried were at the golf course.

So this is we found these 5,775 trees.

And so the next few slides, starting with public tree diversity, talk about these trees.

So the um public tree diversity in in Norman Parks is is actually really fairly good, but with elms approaching this limit, we you know, we call it the 20% limit because they're 19% of the stock there.

But I think one of the things that's really important to know from this slide is that public tree diversity is important in case a disease or a pest comes in.

And and we look at that in terms of um, for example, emerald ash borer is in Dallas.

Um it's a little bug that takes care of a lot of ash trees pretty quickly, and that um wiped out entire forests in the northeast, especially up near where Sandra is located.

So we want to make sure that we have a diverse um public tree inventory.

So that's um that's where you are at this time.

And then the benefits that trees provide are also somewhat based on species, but these are the benefits that um your public trees provide.

So it's over 32, sorry, 32 um or 23,000 in benefits annually for um for your for your trees.

But keep in mind also, although not calculated here in this particular one, the benefits um of private trees also are really important.

And I I do like to say when I do these kinds of um, we do these kinds of projects as the city goes, so goes um as a leader, so so go the people in the town.

So this is important to know, and so people can understand that what they do in their own yards on their own property also feeds into the overall benefits of the urban forest in Norman.

And then the next slide we talked about which benefits of trees are most important to you, and this was done at the community meetings, and we um you know, shade shade was truly I'm getting a feedback okay.

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So anyway, uh create cooling shade number one, and that's no surprise because it is warm where you are, provide wildlife habitat, people clearly like their squirrels in your town, building neighborhood character.

That was something that we saw a lot of it then and talked a lot about when we were at the community meetings, improving mental and physical health goes hand in hand with the uh presentation that just happened, and reducing air pollution and improving air quality is also really important, and then reducing stormwater runoff because trees do that, and it was interesting that the community meeting I was at as soon as we got outside, it started pouring rain.

So we were uh talking to some people in the parking lot, how important stormwater runoff uh reduction takes place, uh, how important that is with trees.

So those are the benefits that your citizens really like.

So the next one we'll talk.

Any questions on that information?

Okay, awesome.

Great.

We'll go to the forestry activities.

So you have an incredibly small staff, and they do an awful lot with what they're with um with that staff.

And the jumps in pruning that are on this slide really um reflect the no dedicated resources for pruning, tracking, and reporting.

And Norman forward projects increase the planting from 2021 to 2023.

And I would have to say that this um up and down is kind of unusual.

And one of the challenges that we're seeing across the country is now there isn't a lot of funding for urban forestry, say at the federal level.

So depending on grants that come down through the state isn't really a sustainable or long-term solution.

So with 3D staff in parks that spend one third of their time on trees, you can see why there isn't a lot of um of tree care.

But the you know, the one person for proactive maintenance is the city forester.

That's really um not a uh a lot, but the con you do have contractors for larger and immediate jobs, and those can be emergencies or planned larger jobs, and just keep in mind that the utility forestry issues, things that are under the power lines are managed by the corporation commission for the state, not um has nothing to do with the city.

So the next slide kind of shows what um what your staffing looks like in comparison.

So of the 2.9 employees, only one employee is full-time forestry, and that's your city forester.

Others are park maintenance staff, and they lend their time to forestry activities part-time.

So contractors in the scheme of things, contractors are 50% to 300 more percent expensive than in-house labor.

So this slide also shows the UF US average and then the average of cities that are your size of how many um staff members cities have the next one is the forestry budget.

So additional funding would help forestry add a dedicated tree crew that could conduct proactive maintenance, thus saving the city money for public trees and conduct outreach as well.

So those are your budget amounts right in there for the um 49,000, almost 450,000 for forestry.

And pruning and removal is the biggest portion of that.

And then to do um, if you added 1.5 million, you would um catch up to some of the others.

I think this is on the next slide, yes.

So you can see where you are in relationship to other cities, relationship in the south, and then relationship to all cities.

And this information comes from a survey that um was done a number of years ago where city foresters actually gave this information to uh a person who did this through um a university, university of Wisconsin.

So uh this is the numbers that we rely on right now.

And then the Action Center requests, uh 40% of um, there were 389 total requests related to a forestry, and of that 40% were other debris and storm removal.

So going down to street clearance, uh public tree removal, tree limb emergencies, public tree maintenance really falls very low in comparison.

And so, since there's just one person with some time, part-time people to help, you can see that the other things that are further down the list don't get taken care of, including growing the urban forest with public tree planting.

The public concerns about trees kind of mirror this a little bit that when 44% pose a threat during storms, um, people want to make sure that their city is there.

And this was um, these were the downsides of trees because you know, trees aren't perfect.

Um, we love them, we all love them, and the city loves them too, but they are not perfect.

So these are the things that um that bothered um our citizens, and um most a lot of this causing damage to utilities and lift and damaged sidewalks, you know, those can be managed with a proactive program, as can posing a threat during storms.

So I'm gonna move to the recommendations now, unless we have any questions about the information that was just presented.

Okay, great.

So the first recommendation was to establish a forestry or beautiful and be and or beautification crew in parks and recreation.

And um, that would be um that would probably that I think that's like the number one action that was you know, growing the forestry division.

Acquire um some equipment so they can handle large woody debris, which would take some of that off of contractors, and then we suggest an operating procedures manual that would um allow this program to move forward a little bit, and then we always talk about releasing annual reports because it's important that council know what's happening with the trees.

Trees are one of those things that citizens bring to council members on a regular basis in most towns and cities, and it's good for council to have answers.

So those are to grow the forestry division is the number one recommendation, and along that same lines, you can see that we did a little projection out here.

So if we add that three person tree crew and a crew chief to go with it, um, we actually you know get to the US average for uh beyond Norman.

So we want to I want to remind you that this allows a less reliance on contractors that in the end of the day will save the city money, and then the forestry budget, too.

Um, you know, we'll go back to that, but bringing that up to this 1.

Um 4 million would really, you know, it's a nice pie number pie in the sky number, but um it would 0.5 percent of Norman's budget, municipal budget in 2024, or 1.4 million would put Norman on par with the national average, which would be a really great start.

So let's go on to recommendation number two.

Prioritize the maintenance of public trees.

Cities need to be on a pruning cycle, and we suggest a five to 10 year cycle for Norman.

Once you're on this pruning cycle, it really does help to be um proactive in the way that Norman cares for their trees and saves money in the long run.

And then to water and care for newly planted trees.

If we care for newly planted trees in the first three to five years of their life, it's done from the ground.

And usually that gets those trees set up for a longer life and also for less pruning into the future, and then use contractors for those high priority removals and pruning that are difficult for um the city to do uh because they need to, they kind of need to catch up.

And um, that still gives a little bit of contractor money to to the city and get some of the um big issues taken care of, and big issues meaning trees that are um older, um senescent that are needing more um care and pruning.

So it's kind of got a young tree idea and an older tree idea to help prioritize the maintenance of public trees, and then recommendation three is to protect the urban forest, and really tree species are changing, and so we look at trees that are climate and pest resilient.

So, you know, don't plant ash trees anymore.

Uh, make sure that your elms are um are you know elm disease resistant, look at what bugs are coming across the country and making sure that those kinds of trees are not planted, and then also look at trees that are good for you know mid-Texas to southern Texas that um are newer species for the city, and then measure and track citywide tree canopy.

We talked a little bit about that, um, but uh tree canopy study would be done using professional services, and that's a real drill down so you can see the best places to plant trees for the city, and then monitoring managing invasive species and pests, you know, EAB would be a big one.

Uh Asian longhorn beetle may move across the country.

We're not sure.

Um most people thought that EAB would never get to the Rocky Mountains, and it has, and it's all the way out in Oregon now.

So it's really important to monitor that and to manage those things, and then park-related recommendations within the community wildfire protection plan.

Those were um those were important, and we read those of we've incorporated some of that into this plan.

And then partner with nonprofits and volunteers on a spacey species, invasive species removals and ecosystem restoration, and that is really um you know, kind of about the you know, the cedars, bradfruit pears, Chinese privet that are all invasive, um, and can come out um fairly easily.

And that is really, you know, kind of about the you know, the cedars, bradfruit pears, Chinese privet that are all invasive and could come out fairly easily.

So that would be the protection of the urban forest.

And then planning for sustainable growth.

So really creating a long-term planting plan for parks would include looking at what species are doing well, where they should be planted, can that can be done through both the can a canopy study and through the inventory that took place already.

And then identifying priority tree planting areas for human and environmental health.

So that's also done through a canopy study, looking at places where there is where there's low human thermal comfort where it's too hot to walk on the sidewalk, and that would help with both human and environmental health, and then expanding the neighborhoods program to plant trees in low canopy neighborhoods, which kind of goes hand in hand with that identification of tree planting priorities, and then work with other city divisions to plant along trails and bike lanes and improve streets so that everybody's on the same page when it comes to trees, so that as other things are happening in the areas that trees could be included in the plans and including the urban forestry team in that would be really beneficial for the city.

Do a study of the tree canopy change by land use as development happens and trees, valuable trees come out.

What does that really mean to the city in terms of canopy and review of development related tree impacts during pre-development planting?

So don't just clear the don't give the okay to just clear the lots, but see what's there, see what needs to be saved, or even in some cases mitigated.

And the last recommendation is promoting the right tree in the right place and provide this is really great.

Provide resources that help residents, businesses, and developers choose tree species that are matched to planting sites, including under utilities.

When I came to visit the city a number of years ago, this was the biggest part of our conversation.

And it was exciting to talk to you about the opportunities that the city has to change their tree palette and to look at what they're doing.

And then promote programs that help preserve historic historically significant trees in other in developed areas of Norman.

So that was one of the things that we had in the conversations in the um when the meetings that we had was that people really like those big old trees that mean something to the community, and then pilot a volunteer program that trains residents to serve as tree liaisons.

I am a big believer in citizen forestry programs.

It's actually how I got my start.

I ran a nonprofit and we had a citizen forester program that was highly effective in the town.

I lived in, and so I love this recommendation.

I love this idea.

Volunteers are really critical because not only do they help help take care of trees in a sense, but they also help increase the idea that trees are really, really important.

And then recommendation six was to partner on the plan implementation.

So including a review, include a review process for the implementation with the park board with you and co-host volunteer planting days, uh, tree care events and educational workshops to get people excited about trees and to increase the canopy and teach people to care for their trees when they're smaller themselves, and so they don't feel burdened by care in the future, and encourage large institutions and businesses to create tree plans.

I think we know that that is you've got some big um institutions and businesses in your community that need to play along with this because they are large property owners, and that's really important.

And then strengthen the partnership and communication with utility foresters who do manage those trees under the power lines, and sometimes we don't have a say in what they're doing.

And then an easy one would be to create some frequently asked questions on the forestry web page so that uh less time is taking up, taken up with answering the same questions over and over again, and then participating in regional forestry networks to share information.

Uh, Oklahoma has a fabulous state urban forestry coordinator, and uh they run a lot of really great programs, and it would be really great if the urban forester could participate and had time to participate in some of the regional forestry things that are happening so that he can bring back ideas to your town.

So those are the recommendations, and we have time for QA.

I'm just so excited.

I'm just so excited.

This has been a long time coming, and I Colin's just fantastic and uh being on the tree board with him for all the years that we served.

Well, I was on it before you came, but I'm really glad that you're here.

And I just I love the idea that we and Norman are not only protecting um the tree canopy for what it has already brought to this city, but you know, thinking about the future.

We've had well, you guys had in your conversation some really we've had some really horrible moments where um you know the canopy was hurt by certain people companies or whatever, but it was necessary, and I just think that let's just go forward proactively and plan accordingly.

And um, I just this is what's makes us stand out from uh noble more and everybody else that's surrounding us when you pull into Norman and you pull in, especially to the downtown and east side, you feel you feel that.

I don't know, I'm just being silly.

This is great, though.

I'm really excited to read this um more thoroughly.

I do have a question.

Can you hear me?

Um I noticed that you you emphasize the uh diversity of our canopy in Norman, but I also noticed that the greatest number of trees were identified as red cedars, and I am not a forestry person, um, but I I work in um a profession where I see a lot of um mitigative or like prescribed burns or removals of red cedars, and I'm not sure if these are the same uh for fire related concerns, um, but I thought I would ask if that was a potential issue.

I got about half of that.

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Are the eastern red cedars that I see here on the chart?

Are those trees that we need to be concerned about because of fire issues or no?

Um I'm always concerned about fire with red cedar as uh as an arborist um and so I would say yes to a certain point if that makes any sense.

You have to think about where they are and how that fits into your community wildfire protection plan as well.

You don't clearly want to be remembered eastern red cedar are also planted a lot by birds, and um we want to make sure that they're that you know they're not increased.

But fire is a um this is interesting.

I um just came from Northern California where um there were my husband and I were driving down to the Bay Area and we saw fire on the um south side of the freeway.

And by the time we got to my sister's house in the San Francisco Bay Area, my brother and my mother, my brother and my mother were both under evacuation.

So I'm a little bit biased about fire, but eastern red cedar is is a problem.

So you it it has to be managed at some point.

Oh hi everybody, my name is Colin Zink, I'm the city forester.

Um so the all those graphs you saw with the the one uh full-time forestry employee.

That's me.

Um the so the uh looking at the um the inventory with those those eastern raised cedars.

Um in uh like she said, this is the inventory was of the managed uh areas, so you know, those are are surrounded by turf.

Um so the the wildfire risk to them is very low.

Where you see those um the eastern red cedar removals is when you get um encroaching into the prairies, um, and that's not that's not what was inventoried.

Um so the the what was inventoried was was all the red cedars in in those managed areas.

Um so yes, I'd agree with with in those those wildland parks.

We definitely need to to make sure we don't have uh a very high percentage of them in the managed areas.

We need to make sure they're limbed up so it's not you know a ladder fuel for for those wildfire if it does if wildfire does come in that area.

So, yes, we need to be concerned, um, but there's there's things we can do to to make it less of a concern rather than then cut down every cedar in the city limits.

Thank you.

Sure.

Yeah, the key to that is what you were saying, call it is manage them.

They have to be managed.

I really appreciate your report here.

It's really in depth, and it's really great to see.

Um my question is you talk a lot about the pests and their impact on trees.

What about the 10 to 25 year outlook with respect to changing climate?

You know, they said we're gonna get hotter, we're gonna get drier here.

So, how susceptible is Norman's current trees, you know?

Are we are we looking at you know a certain percentage being stressed out and possibly dying earlier than we would anticipate?

Should we be thinking about you know, trying to replace trees proactively?

What are your recommendations and outlooks?

Uh I think that um and Sandra, feel free to join in if you have any comments.

But my first thought when you said replace what you have.

I I would not go through a removal replacement process because of climate change.

Um there's these trees are providing benefits right now, and those are important benefits.

But we've you know, we've had discussions with with urban foresters across the country about changing the palette of trees that they're planting, and um there's a lot of experimentation going on across the country as to um as to what should be planted.

And so it's interesting that last um discussion we had about uh about the urban forester engaging with other people and other people in his industry are what gonna is what gonna allow him to learn what's working and what isn't and um getting to know what's happening throughout you know Oklahoma, northern Texas, and other areas that are very similar, but a removal replacement I would say no, it's just a matter of updating lists to reflect what's working and what isn't.

And um, I see that going on where I live now, and Sandra sees it where you know where she lives, that um we are definitely changing our um tree pallets.

Yeah, to add to what Dana said in the plan, there are more detailed analyses about the park inventory that look at the pest and disease vulnerability, but also the species vulnerability to ice storm damage and uh different climate change factors with some species lists at the end.

Um, and then in embedded within the recommendations are several actions that relate to forestry acting as a trusted partner to the public to curate species lists of um new climate and pest resilient species for the region and to share that information.

Uh, we over and over we heard a lot of demand from the public from developers and residents about information related to to good species selection.

So we think that that public outreach message could be a really big role for the forestry division, and we've created a two-page pull-out within the plan that's um self-contained, so you can just print off a front and back page about choosing the right tree for the right place, and that gets at climate concerns, pest disease concerns, and also relates to utility line conflicts approval if I can also plug uh we have a one-page print uh pull out in the plan that can be printed off that's standalone about also the responsibilities um that the city has for trees and how that's mostly limited to park spaces, and that because that was another um question that we heard a lot and wanted uh to clarify, you know, what's the city's purview, and then what is the responsibility of private landowners?

And sort of the third leg of all this is Davey again, is kind of working with is working with us to do some uh review of our tree ordinance to kind of clarify some of those things because that is not a gray area, but it's uh it's a green area that we need to make sure everybody knows who does what and why and why we're not doing certain things that people think we should, but um that dovetails into the education sector that we're kind of anticipating and looking forward to clarifying all that stuff.

So ultimately, we recommending part board accept this this proposed urban force master plan to forward to council because that would be the next step that's gonna be talked about.

And that meeting is next week, Jason.

Is that the study session?

Okay.

Are we are are are we making recommendations to the whatever what you whatever you just said the board city council.

The city council I don't know why I said board you're just recommending it to forward this master plan to city council for their consideration forward it.

Oh just forward it's a approve what you've seen here and we're gonna take it next to city council unless you say otherwise making a recommendation to council to can we highly recommend and re recommend they highlight that you want to and raise the amount funded for it's all in the report.

I just want that line item in the report that I highly recommend they invest in this.

I recommend right highly recommend fee in the land ID right highly highly recommend.

Twice yes yes take the advice and go with it yeah what you probably can do if everybody's in support of is go ahead and forward the recommendation and then uh a letter of support which you can go in more detail and that could if that's what you want to do and and then um Cheryl can sign off as the chair and we can send that along with the the recommendation to council especially when it gets adopted because it's not Tuesday is not a an adoption process they're just going to be studying sessions so they'll just hear the plan for the first time so we'll actually have another month so uh we can actually work to draft a letter for you and probably have that prepared by next park board so that y'all can uh approve or you can just give us permission to uh work with with Cheryl to get the letter ready and we can add that to the the item whenever it gets added for adoption they had a statement from Jason in the report if you can report with A for each other the message from the director get the passage from the park park slash people.

Yep yeah I like that so kind yes kind of what you said we we can do it I just just recommend an idea thank you design if you're following here thank you uh Sandra and and Dana yes I think I think I think they like what they see so recommendation any other questions thank you Tori would you like to make that recommendation I would highly love to make that recommendation do I have a highly recommended second I'll highly recommend that all in favor highly yes any opposed motion will be thank you Davy we'll talk to you soon thank you thank you okay our next item is consideration of approval rejection amendment and or postponement of proposed changes to park hours of operation uh it was a few years ago that we came to uh uh part board to actually uh update our hours uh parks so we're coming to you again to update hours again uh it used to be the the hours were set at all of our parks no matter if it was neighborhood or or community park from dawn till dusk uh we came and I would it's been about two or three years ago we came and um staff suggested a certain time it got adjusted after discussion with part board uh after a few years of kind of testing those out uh uh the police department is once again uh asking for us to do different hours kind of originally what we recommended or we can go into further discussion of of even further changing is or putting more detail into it the problem that the that we are now seeing uh at some of our parks uh and we're asking to roll roll back uh at community parks and so 6 a.m to midnight 6 a.m to 11 uh and then in neighborhood parks even um 6 a.m to 9 so 6 a.m a to 10 p.m what we're seeing uh uh especially the community parks are the uh curfew for everybody or not for everybody for those of under 18 to set at midnight and we close in our parks at midnight so we're still having a uh problems with you know younger people staying at the skate park not necessarily necessarily bad but we need to make sure that they're out of the park before before we hit hit curfew and there are uh other times when uh other people are we need to clearly state our hours uh a few of our parks and um uh they're requesting for an hour change to help them uh also with their shift change and um making sure their midday people are able to be more involved with clearing out uh certain parks instead of their overnight shift because once you get to overnight shift it's mainly patrol instead of uh having more officers out there to help us make sure the parks are getting cleared uh we also um are adding our special use parks to their uh once again we have never had hatched clear closing times to those so when we start talking about our special use parks or is there parks that don't normally fit inside of our our category of neighborhood or community parks uh creekside bike park uh we're trying to match uh when we are off saying two different times we're trying to try to make sure that we're hitting um

Uh we also are adding our special use parks to there.

Uh once again, we've never had hatched clear closing times to those.

So when we start talking about our special use parks, or is there parks that don't normally fit inside of our our category of neighborhood or community parks, uh creekside bike park, uh we're trying to match uh when we are off saying two different times, we're trying to try to make sure that we're hitting um time change and when the sun normally hits, but actually putting clear times when the park goes down um closes.

But creekside, uh April through October, um 6 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

Obviously, we do not want people riding bikes and making jumps out there when it's dark outside.

And then um in the winter and spring, 8 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

Edwards Park, when start thinking about Edwards Park as parked that's uh that area is actually connected to the depot, uh making sure that we have clear and concise times with that.

We're asking for that to mark match what we're recommending for community parks, 6 a.m.

to 11 p.m.

Sutton Wilderness Nature Park.

Uh once again, we want to make sure that clear and concise times are being offered out there, matching the seasons again, uh 6 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

and then in the fall, 8 a.m.

to uh 6 p.m.

when when it when it's light outside, legacy park, which is uh uh normally attached to some kind of events uh matching what we do at community parks, uh Westwood Park.

We uh this hour is fluctuating so much there just depending when the sun sets again.

Uh and if it's a pool or tennis courts, we are recommending to make that seasonal hours set by the director, or you know, we'll actually take if you're the director, you you will listen to whoever's running that park to um set those hours.

Uh and then our new Bishop Creek Eco Park, same thing.

We're kind of asking for seasonal hours as uh it goes by season, um, 6 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

and 8 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

in in the fall and winter.

So just wanted to open that up for discussion, take any questions that y'all might have.

Uh it's very important that uh we kind of get this uh understanding, get recommendation from um the public and you guys represent the public to get to get to these hours, and then uh we are also working on science new science package.

So hopefully as soon as we uh get a um understanding uh a recommendation from y'all, we're gonna slide those pretty quickly into their science package, and we have to display all of our hours at parks clearly so that uh that you know if there are incidences we can uh have clear times when to communicate with those who enforce our rules um to know when the park closes.

So love to take questions about that.

What kind of enforcement is there?

Like I was I was curious about how this would be specifically like are people carted off to jail for leaving the quiet, or what is the deal?

They just get full leave.

Uh it would be asked to leave unless there's clear resistance to it.

And and and then after that, it would be have to uh a request from staff or the director if we wanted to file trespassing charges on that, but normally it doesn't get to that.

But mostly it'd be asking to clear the park.

It is not attached to an ordinance, so it is not a law.

Let's just put that as a this is this opening and closing time of the facility, basically think of it as a facility.

So we're gonna have a little bit more different times because I think when we changed them before, we were trying to have consistent times at all the parks.

And I may be misremembering that, but this is coming from the police asking us, and it makes a lot of sense.

Like the hours posted in the reasoning makes sense, but I want to make sure I'm understanding this is something that's gonna help the police with when they change, and it's something they've asked us to do to help their monitoring and any other type of work that we as the park board do.

I mean, not the park board, but parts and rec.

Yeah, a lot of it isn't asking from us for for us to uh some of the things uh, especially when you start talking about neighborhood parks and we're closing at 10.

Uh a lot of a lot of the year it's dark out there, and you're in a neighborhood, the neighborhood parks aren't don't have uh the amenities like you do at the community parks, and they're not properly lit.

Uh is this basically us being as we're a part of in a fabric of a neighborhood, it's also depending on us to be good neighbors.

Uh and so we want to make sure that we're hitting satisfaction of the neighborhood, make sure that people are happy.

Uh but then some of it is requests from the police department, a lot of it's clearing up what we are doing on our side, and when we start talking about these special use parks, uh, especially you know, when you start um looking at Creekside, uh Sutton Wilderness, and when we open up uh Bishop Creek.

Uh once again, we those parks are designed or modeled around uh nature.

Uh want to make sure that people are there when you know the it's daylight outside.

Uh and a lot of our vandalism, I mean you like it or not, it comes um at nighttime early in the morning when when you can't have uh a viewable part of it, and part of it is not just the police.

Um, you know, you you we really depend a lot on people being in the park to report to us or report to uh the authorities uh if there is some kind of abuse or veganalism going on.

So hopefully by kind of putting more obvious rules in place that that you know start communicating better to to us, and you know, it's kind of you know we depend on a lot of people to tell us uh when they're in a park if a trash is overflowing or if they see something that's broken.

Uh we're out there a lot, but we're not out there every single day and putting eyes on it.

So it's depending on our neighbors to help us out.

That makes sense.

Thank you.

Just curious, do you have a lot of neighborhood uh input on the date?

We haven't had a lot of uh necessarily polled or asked what time the the that they want, but usually when we start talking about uh you get complaints of something happening in the neighborhood, it it is towards the it's definitely toward the evening hours uh when we start getting those complaints.

Is lions considered community park or neighborhood park?

Good uh good question.

So that is when you start looking back at our master plan, and that's probably something that we need to uh clean up.

There is a handful of parts that had the recommendation of uh changing classifications with those, and uh uh probably before the end of the year, uh we're gonna bring that to you to, and I think it's lions, little acts.

Rotary.

Um I'm trying to remember off the top of my head.

Well, Andrews is already a community park.

Um so we're talking about neighborhood parks, so it changed to uh a community park.

But there were there was a small list of them.

And when you start talking about there, there are some hybrids, I like to call them hybrids.

James calls them, I don't remember what James refers to them as, but they're kind of right in the middle in Lions, is uh one of those where it is built as a neighborhood park, but has eventually evolved into something that's more than a neighborhood park where we have movies, we have concerts out there, and then you got little acts, which has ball fields right in the middle of it, and and you can't close that at a exit amount of time because they're still playing playing video games, and too, when you start looking at way out far east, what else are options to they have?

That that is their community park.

But there's a few of them, and we'll bring that to you to kind of cle clear up here in the next month or two.

Will this affect the issue at 12th Avenue and the pickleball courts?

Is that does that need to change?

Uh with the lights?

That's a good question.

The that one should be um not really a park facility.

Yeah, it's a facility, and that should close.

We can probably list whatever the hours that the facilities open there as well, but there's no lights there that it should be getting closed.

Oh, I thought there was the neighbors were complaining about the pickleball courts being lit.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're not late.

Yeah, it's yeah, they just don't like it at all.

Okay, and it and it's one of those they were lit late.

Uh it's one neighbor, it's not neighbors.

It's more singular.

That's what they do.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Uh need a recommendation that we that park board of commissioners support the proposed changes to park hours of operation and recommends that the city council approve this action.

I so thank you, Christine.

Any second?

Okay.

Thank you, Christy.

Um, all in favor.

Aye.

Uh any opposed.

No, it's look at forward.

Okay, the next item is consideration of approval rejection amendment and/or postponement of proposed changes to young family athletics center operating hours.

And before Mitchell hops into this, uh, just remind everybody uh about the young young family athletic center is a resolution that was passed before we opened up uh the WIFACT that gave responsibility of setting hours to the park board.

So that's the reason we're bringing this back to you.

Correct.

Thanks.

That was my intro.

So I'm just uh I killed it.

You're good.

So we'll make it next time.

We'll make it.

So welcome.

Thank you guys, Mitchell Richardson, recreation manager.

And so we're now closing in on year two of operations here.

And like Jason said, uh hours of operations set here with the park board.

So during our experience here over the years, we've been noticing and be collecting data and understanding what our operations have been.

As any of you that have kind of seen a new building come into place, uh there's things that stick, there's things that don't.

Um so we've started gathering data and looked at what our current hours are, which are Monday through Friday, 6 30 a.m.

uh to 8 p.m., Saturday, 10 to 8, and Sundays 12 to 4.

Uh we also have our special holiday hours here, uh, which is Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Juneteenth, and Labor Day, which were open 12 to 6.

Uh we're currently closed at those uh holidays listed there.

Um and so that's our set time.

And so we've been experiencing that for almost two years now, and a few quite a few months ago, we've started to kind of peek into it.

We've assessed kind of how we've been doing financially and what we've been uh been able to bring in membership wise, and then we started collecting data on when members were visiting the center itself.

And so this is our membership with day passes and members combined in of the past since August 2024.

Um what this data doesn't have, it's basically a single family membership.

So, like when a if a family of four comes in, they scan in and it's clicked in, it didn't separate that data out.

Um so that's the only kind of iffy part on it.

Uh, but this is a heat map of what exactly we've had uh coming into the facility here.

And so one of the main things that we've kind of noticed here at the end is those late periods here after 6 p.m.

It really does drop off.

Um, but that doesn't mean necessarily there aren't people in the building.

That's just when they check in.

So we've used uh more visual data at that point to start gathering how many people were coming in and seeing how long they were staying, and so we did that.

That doesn't show up well on the data itself.

Um at the same time, we were looking at those early morning times.

Um, because one of the main things we've noticed is uh the staff uh resources that come with opening the pool.

Specifically the pool as lifeguard requirements for each section, each pool is very let's just go with costly.

Um so we've looked at that and we still we've got a good section there that's listed at that 6 p.m.

time frame.

So we did break it down there even by 10 minute increments here, and so that's where we're kind of coming from of where we're our proposed hours are gonna be.

So that 6 30 time frame, and this is for uh a long period, long same stretch there.

We when we open at uh 6 30, we only had about 85, and it really kicks off there at the 7 o'clock to 6.50 time frame.

Um so that's when majority are coming in and doing those check-ins.

So uh we also wanted to address our holiday usage here.

So our special hours right now uh with the 12 to 6 time.

We went and pulled that data, and it's pretty apparent once you go in the building.

It's a very large facility, and especially like Juneteenth.

So we had our Juneteenth uh festival and celebration, everything, all at that.

Did a quick pop-in at Wi Fac, and I'm like, wow.

Okay, this is uh this is uh not being as fruitful as it could be.

So listed there are the number of visitors we had on these special holidays, and so the way we've kind of talking about those holidays is the staffing cost outweighing the revenue we're bringing in.

So just opening the facility there with the front desk lifeguard, all the supervisors, and additional to that is our holiday pay, um, which that if those of that don't know is basically time and a half, then and double if they're getting overtime upon that or triple pay sometimes.

Um so it's they work over eight hours, it's triple.

Yeah, and so it it can be a very costly uh thing for us to open up during those times.

Um, but when we're talking about the proposed hours of closing down, that does not mean the uh facility won't have things going on during that time.

So it still opens us up for the availability to have large programs, tournaments, rentals.

We're looking at the just basic operational hours of opening up the facility and having um somebody come in that to to swipe in their membership or or buy a day pass.

That's what the adjustment will be.

If we do a labor day camp and it is uh six hour stretch, that will be a still available.

We'll price it differently, but it will be available.

Whoa, that was a fun one.

And so here's our proposed times and ours.

So Monday through Friday we're shifting to a 7 a.m to 7 p.m on the pool and then 8 a.m to 8 p.m on the gym side with Saturday the pool opening at 10 uh and then closing at 4 p.m.

And then the gym side 10 a.m to six and then Sunday keeping that uh 12 to 4 because that is a big section for it.

And then following as holidays will close all holidays recognized by the city of Norman.

So that includes all that we listed and the one that was not listed in there before was uh Black Friday.

So right after Thanksgiving was not listed in there and anything so we opened up last year um and again I didn't pull the date on it it was not great though.

Pretty shocking on that.

So that would be included in there as the holidays there.

Try to make it quick for you guys.

And so that's the the base understanding of why what we're proposing and our recommendation is for uh the park board to accept question.

Yes.

I understand starting the pool at 7 a.m but could you explain again why the gym starts at 8 a.m I mean that so it's more of the staffing for it.

So once we open up the gym the staffing inside of setting up different uh programs it's kind of reducing that time frame of what how many staff we need uh just opening the pool side as much uh is already expensive but if we add on the additional staff that we have to fund for the gym it becomes more costly so we're just shifting that back and allowing our staff to just gain that extra hour out off of you know 260 days of operation will add up a little bit and I'll add to it's kind of like it's a little bit of reverse this swimming pool is most popular in the morning the the gym is most popular in the evening so we're just kind of kind of trying to balance that out as much as we can in an hour here an hour there when you start talking about two or three staff over three hundred and sixty something days it's quite a bit yeah.

So the strategy is like you have X number of staff and come in and they open up the pool they get that all going and then the gym staff come in the gym.

Yep.

Yep.

Correct okay thank you any other questions staff recommends that the park board of commissioners support the proposed changes to the young family athletic center's operating hours and recommend that the city council approve this action do I have a motion to accept these hours.

Motion thank you Mark Thank you Ellen all in favor any opposed that would be forwarded council thank you I feel so much better.

All right discussion regarding the advisory committee for parks and recreation policy and procedures so this would be real quick the uh I think that we have already nominated people um to um work on policy and procedures we're now working feverishly to get our policy and procedures updated which have not been updated in as the best we can tell almost 20 years um and according uh not to even city ordinance city charter that the the parks board of commissioners uh sets the policies for parks and recreation facilities and parks uh we we want to um get that updated there are several key things that I think we've um as we get farther into it you're gonna see uh uh us come to you to start talking about uh special events there are a lot of special events uh that happen inside parks uh we're gonna start trying to um separate uh park events from um city park uh special events and make sure that we are um catching all the uh park events that actually happen uh according to like city ordinance uh special events uh are gatherings of a thousand or more uh we are having a several events that that are happening in parks or less than than a thousand but are still um considered special events which are we're not getting that they're coming in as park rentals uh they are not um not recognized to give us basically site maps or uh things that are going on where we're and we're not prepared for those events that happen because they're not recognized as special events so we just need to get that cleared up on our side as we were um start getting uh signage ready we went and make sure that uh we're clear and concise on what roles go on to that signage uh and you'll hear in the upcoming months we are going for a accreditation uh with uh the parks facility with the national parks and recreation association so and this is one of the things that we need to make sure we check um there's this uh other things that we want to make sure that as we go in the future as we get this policies and procedures or whatever we refer to it as that uh you'll see us bringing items to you and referring to different things um almost like park ordinances or park rolls or

Uh and you'll hear in the upcoming months we are going for a accreditation uh with uh the parks facility with the National Parks and Recreation Association.

So then this is one of the things that we need to make sure we check.

Uh there's this uh other things that we want to make sure that as we go in the future, as we get this uh policies and procedures or uh whatever we refer to it as that uh you'll see us bringing items to you and referring to different things almost like park ordinances or park rules or a policy or some procedures that we want to get input from you uh on before we change that.

So as uh we want to go fast and furious, hopefully within the next 60 days, we can get policies and procedures adopted or readopted and make sure that we're getting enough input because uh as staff uh we think we have a good grasp on it, but it's amazing when we start talking to uh people that are outside and putting on different colored classes and they understand and start seeing things or uh frequent enough park users to uh to see things that we're not even thinking of.

Uh and of course, uh, by the nature of things, once we get this adopted, there's gonna be things that uh pop up then, like oh, we uh we didn't think of uh drones or something like that, but even though we're putting drone usage in there.

Oh, yeah, we we want to make sure that we're picking up uh uh classes and things that are people or using our parts to make money with, exactly.

So uh we just want to make sure that and it doesn't matter uh how many people are participating uh in this policy and procedure committee, but we'll probably have a few mini meetings going over it.

We just have to make sure that we're not having uh a quorum so uh volunteers or nominations, but however you want to handle it, we just want to get the committee um formed.

It's already the committee's already there, or uh make sure that we have a committee true commitment from the because it we're gonna have a two or three uh meetings and um we're gonna depend on them to actually read and review.

There's gonna be a lot.

You will commit to be on this committee.

Cool question.

And since this is ramping up now, what is sort of the time you just said over the next 60 days?

So what are you foreseeing?

Because we'll probably have a bandwidth to still participate.

We have probably have a few meetings.

Um we'll we'll send out once we get a first strap of it, we'll uh send out a copy to those of that are on the committee, and then maybe have a couple of in-person meetings or online meetings to kind of go over what we review, and then of course, I mean, major polls gonna be by the staff, but we we want to try to get it done as quickly as we can.

And uh some of it is the the state laws changing about food trucks.

We need to make sure that that we uh capture that.

The we were had a passing conversation about updating special event ordinances, which will like I said, uh it's kind of weird.

You can have a concert just by renting a uh paying $40 an hour to rent a facility, and but um surely you're having a concert that you know they end up selling beer and um having moon bounces and and sending up sound equipment, and they didn't get go proper, you know, get a sound variance from the police department.

So is this there's in and they can do it because we don't have rules against um them doing it because it's below a thousand people, so it's it's like exactly there's loopholes.

We need a closed loopholes.

So just one of them, I guess just make sure that we're good.

Okay.

Ready to roll ready to hang out with me and hear me random or ramble for hours on end.

Well, as somebody who rented parks for years, and I was very protective of what was going on in the parks.

Like, well, you can't do that.

Yeah, it's uh and now to throw even farther on into it, and park rentals have changed, used to you'd have to call and come by there and put it in there.

Now it's online and uh we're doing software updates, and we want to make sure you know if you're checking certain boxes, if it's more than uh like a family get together or a birthday party.

I mean, we're hoping that as you start to click these boxes, it will click you into a hey, I'm doing an event, and hopefully we're able to uh catch most of those.

So like is an example.

Um you said right now there is not restrooms, public restrooms available.

Andrew's park.

You've used temporary restrooms and you uh don't sit them in the right portion of the park, you're sitting restrooms in a floodplain, and we get a uh hard rain, and all of a sudden you start getting restroom um portable restrooms floating or going into uh yeah, into a stormwater channel, it's not good.

You know, we're not picking up on that because uh it looks like to us they're having a birthday party with their five-year-old at the park.

Or they're not getting the porta potties and speaking of those restrooms.

Are they gonna be open?

Or what I can't remember why they're closed.

Restro it's very complicated.

We probably can talk about that.

It's not really genetized, but we talked we there is a uh uh if you go back, is oversight committee.

We did a presentation to council, and the decision was to demo that building is in the floodplain, and uh uh we're gonna try to work on our master plan to build new restrooms as soon as we can.

Uh oh, so and so they're just not just closed.

They've been closed for about three years.

Right, they were clearly vandalized the knot worth they're not ADA uh accessible, bad things happening in this bathrooms.

Reshrooms.

So are you are you looking for additional numbers beyond the three listed here?

We can I guess we uh we're good with three as long as there's not five.

Uh if there are others that want to participate in it, we're good with it.

There's four there.

Okay.

I did not count.

I can't count very high.

My schedule is my schedule is really kind of funky over the next six weeks.

I'd love to be part of that.

But if you want to take my seat, Mark.

I mean, I just it wouldn't hurt my feelings.

And I would feel I would feel like I wouldn't, I don't want I don't want to not participate in the way I need to.

Yeah, I mean, I'd just be happy to if if there's a person needed, I'd be happy to throw my out of the room.

And once again, as we get everything proper, it's probably codified and get everything divided up and we'll put uh upload it to Municode.

And I don't want to give Ellen like flashbacks of craziness when when we did all that.

Um, but uh we'll bring it back to partboard as a whole and do a hopefully as a short presentation to uh adopt the rules as it is.

Cool.

Do you want to just go ahead and replace Mark then?

Let's everybody agreed to that.

Okay, yeah, because I'm my schedule's really weird the next six weeks.

Okay.

Because we can't have five, right?

We have four if we have in-person meetings or online.

We cannot have five.

Yeah, you just gotta stay under the quorum.

Okay, so cool.

Great.

Thank you, Mark.

Uh Norman Forward update.

Uh we are in a dead period of Norman Ford, so there's not a whole lot uh to uh update.

Uh Saxon uh the only news we got to update on is that uh we got notice from uh from public works that they are now advancing on to uh building that road, which is what we've been kind of waiting for waiting for for the update once that if we can get public works to build the road for us, and um that will save us a lot of money.

Um, not only for we're responsible for the small portion of road that's in front of the the park, but also the utilities that go underneath the road.

The uh we have to get sewage and water running to that, and uh it's just it's just better for the overall project for us not to rush it and um wait um for that uh the six to nine months to get that installed and then and then proceed with whatever drawings that we have.

But the good news is now they have uh basically uh I think we'll see true movement on that um this fall.

We'll get organized and hopefully find funding for it.

Besides that, uh uh we're still waiting on a few things to out there uh Northeast Lions Park to uh get part of the park uh encumbered into that and build a playground outside of that.

I think that we're just kind of um waiting patiently for other projects to unfold, which were not quite there yet.

Uh Wade's not here, but his guys are doing a great job.

They're catching up on all their mowing, um getting ready for holiday stuff coming up.

I know they're super busy and they're actually helping us on some projects too.

Um being uh we're working on a landscape renovation of the first of hopefully several main street medions.

Um the one where they did the work in front of Panera Bread.

That was a uh uh Merkle Creek project, but we looped in ourselves to it without asking.

No, we asked them, and they said yes.

So we removed all the old plant material there and have a whole new landscape plan um working and hopefully get in get that installed.

ASAP, um maybe act as a guide for the rest of them because they're kind of getting uh worn out.

Um so that is happening uh and Waves guys have been helping us a lot with that as far as getting dirt delivered and spread out.

Um you've seen on the Urban Forest Master Plan.

A lot of tree care here is heated up here at the end of the summer.

We just started a project today where we're out working at uh Sutton Wilderness removing Privet and Cedars.

If anyone has cares for that, it is the two very invasive species that need to go.

We've actually found there's another pond in there.

We uh we always knew it was there, but now you can actually see it from the trail.

So it's exciting that's happening today and and tomorrow we're doing sort of a sample area.

Um there's a lot more acres that could happen.

But uh that's a good thing for forestry.

Um Bishop Creek Eco Park is underway.

They removed a few trees there, you may have noticed, but that is happening.

They're getting uh they're gonna kind of work from farthest end to to entry way.

So that's sort of the last thing that will be the parking lot, but they're gonna start clearing areas and building boardwalk and digging the pond, doing all that fun stuff.

Uh WiFac, we're finishing up sort of the landscape and plaza area on the back end of that facility.

Um Westwood Tennis, we've ordered a contract, like I said, for new lights up there.

We have some fence work being done out there.

Firehouse Art Studio project that Andy presented last month is done.

So that they have a new jewelry uh studio upstairs.

You stop by and see it's an awesome historic house chimney.

We figured out a way to work on repairs to the historic house.

The chimney's not failing.

It's just some work on the floor we're gonna work on sooner stage.

We're gonna replace some legs and borders on the stage up there, kind of in their dead period.

But um, lots of things coming up.

Blue stem park, we're gonna that is a Norman Ford thing technically too.

It's a new park down there by the links.

Gonna start working more on that one.

Um, and like said Northeast Lions, Andrews, um, and we are gonna put together RFQ to hire someone to do a master plan for Sooner Theater.

Um, improvements over the part of the next uh Norman Ford part two, we hope.

So that's that's Wade and that's me.

Us.

The whole division's here.

The whole park development division is here.

I'd be the first time a whole division showed up to a partboard meeting.

So next time I'll bring mine.

That'll be a good time.

Uh hi everybody.

Uh recreation.

Uh, we got some new new things coming down the pike here.

Um, so for those of you that don't know, um, in WIFAC, the concessionaire, Beanstock Coffee and Snow is no longer gonna be our concession air moving forward.

We've separated uh mutually agreed upon.

And coming up here, we will be opening up Time Out Cafe, uh, which will be operated by the city here.

Expect that uh pretty soon.

We're hoping October, early October here.

I'm gonna say fall 2025.

Uh, and so that's gonna be uh is a very similar setup for it.

It'll be same uh same basic setup as they had it, but we think that'll be a good addition uh for us moving forward to help bridge any uh deltas that we've had with any of the financial situations as well, and provide high quality service.

There you go.

Um we've also we've wrapped up the majority of our Westwood pool season here, uh ending the September Labor Day push.

Um so we've really uh slowed down on a lot of things, a few activities, a few rentals, um, but we've successfully completed another pool season here.

Uh like said, uh, like James said, we have the uh WiFac outdoor pickleball and volleyball courts really close to finishing, so be expecting a uh dedication/slash ribbon cutting coming your way fairly soon here.

Uh we have our legacy fest uh September 13th at 4 p.m.

We have four bands selected here.

Uh and this is the battle of the band style thing, and we actually have headlining uh Kai Dawson and the Experience, which won last year with uh very a pretty good margin there, and they are a fantastic group.

Uh so they're gonna be our headliners this year, and I think that'll be a cool tradition for us to kind of continue as we're going through.

Um we have tickets on sale for screen to plate ratatouille.

That's that eat and watch experience there.

That'll be at the Young Family Athletic Experience uh Young Family Athletic Center with uh scratch making all the food.

And we did have a sampling.

Jason didn't get to have it.

I saw his face right there.

He was like, oh uh he didn't get to have the sampling, but it's really good.

It's a really fantastic food.

He is okay.

I'm gonna keep moving on.

Uh we have our United Way uh golf tournament, September 26th.

It's a four-person scramble out here to benefit United Way.

Mini Art Sessions at 12th Avenue.

Young family uh or Trey Young from the point is this Sunday from 12 to 2.

Uh it's for fourth and eighth graders here.

Um they're capping it out at 200 people.

We haven't gotten official numbers.

The registration's still open, so but they haven't told us if they've filled yet.

So uh if you can book up, you can get some experience with Trey out there, the guest picker on college game day that we saw announced.

Like right.

Yeah.

Uh we also have our youth volleyball league starting here uh three on three uh at WiFAC.

Uh registration is open until September 16th.

And we've also started uh started a TOTS or Teams for tomorrow, which is ages three to six, and it really focuses on body movement with music and fun and basketball.

They actually do it on the carpet.

Um, so the kids, if they fall, it's a little nicer than if they fall on the hard court.

Um, but we've done started doing those on Tuesdays at 5 30, and that's been a great addition at Wi Fac as basically kind of a form of child care.

So it's really worked out there.

Kinda.

That's that's the quick breakdown.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Have you all thought about doing?

I mean, you know, you've got those days out camps that have you thought about doing something like that at the Y Fat because you could incorporate the pool, you could incorporate Yeah.

So we've pushed out uh parents night out before out there.

Um it hasn't really been received as well, so we're retooling how uh we're going about it, and we're basically gonna make kind of a kids' party day and kind of reorgate reorient it as not just child care as a really fun, entertaining full day for your kid instead of viewing it as child care.

Or maybe what the these these days off school, they just go basically through the fifth grade.

Is that all they accept?

Oh at the at like the 12th Avenue Rec Center.

Yeah, so maybe you uh I mean I see a lot of parents all the time look, you know, I need something for my sixth to eighth grader because so you might be that might be something you would key in on and doing it there.

Yeah, no, no.

I the main thing we're gonna be pushing here coming up is any time school is out, we have some form of camp, whether it be volleyball, basketball, anything that's kind of that activity that gives people uh something to do uh or gives the kids something to do as well.

Because I think a lot of parents in that age group are uh finding it difficult to manage their middle schoolers and need something for them to have, like almost like a daycare, but not calling it a daycare thing.

So not looking forward to middle schoolers.

Well, you've got a ways to go.

I do, right?

Yeah, okay.

Oh, yeah.

All right, any other questions, comments?

Seeing has we have no public here to comment.

We're adjourned.