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City Council Oversight Committee Meeting - December 11, 2025

Public Meetings & Live-StreamsThursday, December 11, 2025
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DateThursday, December 11, 2025
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0:05

Welcome to the City Council Oversight Committee meeting for Thursday, December 11th.

0:11

Our first on our agenda is update from City Care on the operation of the emergency shelter.

0:16

And I'd like to recognize Sean.

0:19

Yes, ma'am.

0:20

Uh to give us an update.

0:23

Sorry, I thought I was third, I'm first.

0:29

Number one year.

0:30

I can live with that.

0:42

16 bucks.

0:45

Okay, thanks, sir.

0:46

Hi, everybody.

0:47

I'm Sean Lloyd, Senior Director of Homeless Services at City Care, and I'm here to provide an update on shelter.

0:58

Yeah, I do.

0:58

That would be pretty cool, wouldn't it?

1:01

Okay.

1:04

All right.

1:05

Okay, so um we're gonna look at some of the numbers around what we've seen so far in shelter, like how many nights of rest.

1:13

Um, we're gonna talk a little bit about some of the patterns we've identified and some of the things that um we're seeing there in shelter.

1:21

And so we've we've provided 16,942 um shelter beds since we took over on January 15th of 2025, and that's that's a rough average of about 51 people a day.

1:36

Um the point in time count is is a system where all the providers go out and they count how many people are experiencing homelessness on any given night um or on a certain given night in the freezing cold in January, and so it's it's one of the ways that HUD requires cities to um get a snapshot of what homelessness looks like in the area.

2:00

And so our point in time count for this year, I think was 240.

2:03

Is that right, Heidi?

2:04

240?

2:05

Yeah, yeah, 240 people, and um and we've seen 397 unique individuals in city care um since January 15.

2:14

And so you can usually kind of kind of estimate that there's more people experiencing homelessness than you're ever going to count, catching a point in time count.

2:27

Um, so one of the things we wanted to implement was some housing navigation in our system, and and what we what we noticed looking at what data we could get our hands on before we came in versus what data we've gathered is that it seemed to be a bottleneck.

2:40

It seemed to be the same um 50-something people kind of staying in shelter for quite a long time.

2:46

And so one of the things we wanted to do was start working with people to go into housing.

2:51

Um we implemented doing housing assessments on the people who come in, and so we've done 186 assessments so far, which is um which is an assessment to um to measure like how extreme someone's experience is with homelessness.

3:10

And so um we've connected 24 individuals to housing so far for the year, and I believe that was 21 households um and 24 individuals.

3:19

So there was a couple people that we got to um join the household together and move into housing with each other.

3:29

So on demographics, these are all things that are self-reported or things that um we figure out as we develop relationship with the um the guests in shelter.

3:41

And so we've had 140 people um report as chronically homeless, and and we use the HUD definition of that, and what that means is um they've either been homeless four times in three years, totaling 12 months, or the previous 12 months straight.

3:58

Um, we've had 25 veterans.

4:00

I know last time I was here I talked about how our number of veteran count was um disproportionate to the amount of people experiencing homelessness.

4:08

Now that we've gotten a better picture at how many people are cycling through the shelter, it's starting to line up a little more with the rest of the nation on how many veterans, and um I believe we had six veterans go into housing since we started working with housing.

4:23

Um we had 368 people report mental health disorders.

4:29

Um guests with a physical disability, so that's about 39% of the guests, and um 173 have experienced domestic violence.

4:40

That's almost half.

4:41

So almost half of everybody who walks into shelter has had some experience with domestic violence with security, yeah.

4:50

January 15th, 2025 to um the end of November.

5:00

Race and age.

5:02

There's quite a large number of wider Caucasian people in Norman experiencing homelessness, which is 253.

5:10

And 57 people are African American or black.

5:14

That number is a little disproportionate to what we usually see in cities.

5:20

Usually the African American population makes up almost half of what homeless numbers are, even though they usually make up less than 16% of a population in any given city.

5:32

On the age demographic, we have seen an uptick in older people experiencing homelessness.

5:39

And it's not just older people experiencing homelessness, it's older people experiencing homelessness for the first time, which um which is something we've identified and we need to come up with solutions based around.

5:52

I know that it gets a little difficult sometimes with someone who's not quite old enough for Social Security, but but possibly not in condition to take care of themselves or work anymore.

6:02

And um, and we have we've put some concentration on building relationships to help people go into assisted living or adult care systems.

6:13

Am I talking too fast?

6:15

Okay, great.

6:16

All right, monthly income, fair market rent.

6:19

So I think fair market rent in um in Norman is 900 to 990 for a one bedroom unit.

6:26

Um it should be about 30% of someone's income.

6:28

So someone would need to bring home roughly 2,700 to about $3,000 a month to be able to afford a one bedroom on their own.

6:37

Um we have 60 people in shelter that receive from 500 to 1,000 dollars a month.

6:43

26 receive 1,000 to 2,000.

6:46

So they would technically have enough money to pay rent, but they wouldn't have enough money to pay for anything else in life at that rate.

6:53

Um, 12 people have $2,000 or more, which could put them in a range where they actually possibly could and they need a boost to get into housing, or um, or they really don't quite make enough over to afford all the things that we need to live.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Homelessness██████████████████████████████████████38%
Affordable Housing███████████████15%
Legal Issues███████████████15%
Short Term Rental Regulation█████████████13%
Technology and Innovation████4%
Mental Health Awareness███3%
Health Insurance███3%
Procedural██2%
Public Engagement██2%
Summary of Proceedings

City Council Oversight Committee Meeting - December 11, 2025

The City Council Oversight Committee convened on December 11, 2025, to review critical updates on homelessness operations, community action plans, and housing regulations in Norman. The meeting featured detailed reports from City Care on shelter operations, the Homeless Coalition on the Home Base Action Plan, and presentations by city attorneys regarding short-term rental ordinances and the potential implementation of a Right to Counsel program for eviction cases.

Consent Calendar

  • No routine approvals were listed in the transcript.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • No public comments or testimony from general members of the public were recorded during this session.

Discussion Items

  • Emergency Shelter Update (City Care): Sean Lloyd presented data from January 15, 2025, through November. Key statistics included 16,942 shelter beds provided (averaging 51 people/day), a Point-in-Time (PIT) count of 240, and 397 unique individuals served. 140 guests self-reported as chronically homeless, 25 as veterans, and 173 (nearly half) had experienced domestic violence. Demographics indicated a high concentration of White residents (253) and Native/Indigenous residents (23), with a notable trend of older adults experiencing homelessness for the first time due to housing affordability issues.

    • Position: Speakers noted that while 60 people receive $500-$1,000/month and 271 have zero income, many technically have sufficient income for rent but lack funds for other necessities. Barriers include obtaining IDs and securing deposits, despite the receipt of ESG and Permanent Supportive Housing (PSH) grants.
    • Position: Speakers identified a need for more case managers and highlighted that while Native health care and VA resources exist, connection to these services is often blocked by eligibility issues or lack of patient cooperation.
  • Homeless Coalition Action Plan: Lee Hall and Heidi Smith presented the updated Home Base Action Plan. The coalition unanimously identified establishing one permanent, year-round shelter with day and night services as the highest priority, noting the recent successful acquisition of property for this goal.

    • Position: Speakers emphasized that while 40 of the original action steps remain relevant, the community needs a coordinated street outreach team, expanded case management for pre-and post-housing support, and a new entity, "Home Together Norman," to sustain collaboration.
    • Position: Speakers expressed concern regarding potential HUD policy changes shifting funding from "Housing First" (90%) to "Treatment First" (30%), which they argued would devastate rural communities lacking treatment capacity. They also noted the PIT count is likely a significant undercount.
  • Short-Term Rental (STR) Ordinance: Assistant City Attorney Jeannie Snyder provided an update on the 429 identified licensed STR properties, noting a significant concentration in Ward 4 (214 properties).

    • Position: Council members expressed strong support for implementing geographic limitations or caps on the number of STRs in specific neighborhoods, particularly in areas with affordable housing stock, to prevent neighborhood saturation. Counselor Grant noted that while numbers fluctuate, the current clustering is problematic.
    • Position: Staff indicated that while a city-wide cap is an option, modifying the ordinance to enforce stronger neighborhood notification requirements and potential geographic clustering limits (e.g., by street or neighborhood) was a priority for investigation.
  • Right to Counsel for Evictions: Executive Director Mike Figgins of Legal Aid Services of Oklahoma and City Attorney Rick Knight discussed a potential pilot program to provide attorneys to low-income tenants facing eviction.

    • Position: Speakers highlighted that eviction filings in Cleveland County total approximately 4,000 annually, leading directly to homelessness, school instability, and job loss. They argued that the current 5-day hearing timeline and lack of representation create a system where tenants inevitably lose housing.
    • Position: Speakers proposed a pilot program utilizing one attorney (costing approx. $100,000) or partnering with the OU Law Clinic to handle 5-7 contested evictions per week. They argued that for every dollar spent on legal counsel, the city saves nearly $7.20 in other services, and that 95% of cases handled by legal aid are resolved favorably for the tenant.

Key Outcomes

  • Shelter Operations: City Care continues to operate with 51 average daily guests; the coalition confirmed the property acquisition for a permanent shelter is complete and prioritizes its development.
  • Strategic Planning: The Homeless Coalition has dissolved as a formal working group; its mission and members are transitioning into "Home Together Norman" to maintain advocacy and coordination.
  • Funding Constraints: Council members acknowledged the urgency of potential HUD policy shifts and the current lack of funding mechanisms for Right to Counsel, though the concept gained significant traction for a pilot study.
  • Next Steps:
    • Short-Term Rentals: Staff to research geographic clustering limitations and strengthen notification requirements; Councilmember Grant to work with GIS to map specific clusters in Ward 4.
    • Right to Counsel: Council agreed to explore a pilot program, potentially engaging the OU Law Clinic and determining funding sources (General Fund or philanthropy), and will reconvene to discuss the pilot scope and partners.
    • PIT Count: Volunteer recruitment initiated for the upcoming January Point-in-Time count scheduled for 4:30 AM.
    • Salvation Army: Council instructed the City Manager to invite Salvation Army leadership to brief the Mayor and Council on their capacity expansion plans.

Meeting Transcript

Welcome to the City Council Oversight Committee meeting for Thursday, December 11th. Our first on our agenda is update from City Care on the operation of the emergency shelter. And I'd like to recognize Sean. Yes, ma'am. Uh to give us an update. Sorry, I thought I was third, I'm first. Number one year. I can live with that. 16 bucks. Okay, thanks, sir. Hi, everybody. I'm Sean Lloyd, Senior Director of Homeless Services at City Care, and I'm here to provide an update on shelter. Yeah, I do. That would be pretty cool, wouldn't it? Okay. All right. Okay, so um we're gonna look at some of the numbers around what we've seen so far in shelter, like how many nights of rest. Um, we're gonna talk a little bit about some of the patterns we've identified and some of the things that um we're seeing there in shelter. And so we've we've provided 16,942 um shelter beds since we took over on January 15th of 2025, and that's that's a rough average of about 51 people a day. Um the point in time count is is a system where all the providers go out and they count how many people are experiencing homelessness on any given night um or on a certain given night in the freezing cold in January, and so it's it's one of the ways that HUD requires cities to um get a snapshot of what homelessness looks like in the area. And so our point in time count for this year, I think was 240. Is that right, Heidi? 240? Yeah, yeah, 240 people, and um and we've seen 397 unique individuals in city care um since January 15. And so you can usually kind of kind of estimate that there's more people experiencing homelessness than you're ever going to count, catching a point in time count. Um, so one of the things we wanted to implement was some housing navigation in our system, and and what we what we noticed looking at what data we could get our hands on before we came in versus what data we've gathered is that it seemed to be a bottleneck. It seemed to be the same um 50-something people kind of staying in shelter for quite a long time. And so one of the things we wanted to do was start working with people to go into housing. Um we implemented doing housing assessments on the people who come in, and so we've done 186 assessments so far, which is um which is an assessment to um to measure like how extreme someone's experience is with homelessness. And so um we've connected 24 individuals to housing so far for the year, and I believe that was 21 households um and 24 individuals. So there was a couple people that we got to um join the household together and move into housing with each other. So on demographics, these are all things that are self-reported or things that um we figure out as we develop relationship with the um the guests in shelter. And so we've had 140 people um report as chronically homeless, and and we use the HUD definition of that, and what that means is um they've either been homeless four times in three years, totaling 12 months, or the previous 12 months straight. Um, we've had 25 veterans. I know last time I was here I talked about how our number of veteran count was um disproportionate to the amount of people experiencing homelessness. Now that we've gotten a better picture at how many people are cycling through the shelter, it's starting to line up a little more with the rest of the nation on how many veterans, and um I believe we had six veterans go into housing since we started working with housing. Um we had 368 people report mental health disorders. Um guests with a physical disability, so that's about 39% of the guests, and um 173 have experienced domestic violence. That's almost half. So almost half of everybody who walks into shelter has had some experience with domestic violence with security, yeah. January 15th, 2025 to um the end of November. Race and age. There's quite a large number of wider Caucasian people in Norman experiencing homelessness, which is 253. And 57 people are African American or black. That number is a little disproportionate to what we usually see in cities. Usually the African American population makes up almost half of what homeless numbers are, even though they usually make up less than 16% of a population in any given city. On the age demographic, we have seen an uptick in older people experiencing homelessness. And it's not just older people experiencing homelessness, it's older people experiencing homelessness for the first time, which um which is something we've identified and we need to come up with solutions based around. I know that it gets a little difficult sometimes with someone who's not quite old enough for Social Security, but but possibly not in condition to take care of themselves or work anymore. And um, and we have we've put some concentration on building relationships to help people go into assisted living or adult care systems.

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