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Norman City Council Meeting – October 15, 2026: Turnpike Cost Tracking and Monthly Financial Review

Public Meetings & Live-Streams — Thursday, October 15, 2026
BodyNorman, Oklahoma
SessionPublic Meetings & Live-Streams
DateThursday, October 15, 2026
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Speaker 1

0:00

On the agenda is discussion regarding establishing accounts to track costs associated with the term pike.

0:08

Do we have anyone here to

Speaker 2

0:12

anything?

0:13

I'll speak up.

0:14

I'm I'm in Kim Kaufman uh sitting in for Clint Mercer today.

0:18

Um and I understand this a little bit um from what I understood.

0:24

Um it was it was a discussion about uh setting up a project to track uh staff time and any other costs associated with the turnpike.

0:33

Um but if it's uh you know, like emergency response that we're wanting to track, that would be up to the police and fire department to kind of establish a fee schedule to do that more in line with uh the September 29th study session.

Speaker 3

0:48

So a couple of ways to do it, first and foremost.

0:52

Information systems are designed to ask questions that are known in advance.

0:57

So the ability to have this conversation today and recognize what questions we want answers for in the future, perfect timing.

1:06

Um and we can we can do it a couple of different ways.

1:09

There's codes they can set up through dispatch that are

Unassigned speaker

1:14

I

Speaker 3

1:14

guess geocoded for lack of a better descriptor that when calls for service come in in these corridors, they just push a button, set a flag, and that data for those responses is collected.

1:27

Um other departments who may or may not incur uh costs related to an emergency response, we would track those like a capital project.

1:38

And typically when we have a weather event like the Fourth of July wind storm, um first thing we do is call finance and say set up a capital project, you know, call it Fourth of July wind event, and then every department knows if you've got expenses related to that, that's the account number you cut it off to.

Speaker 4

1:56

So

Speaker 3

1:56

um happy to establish those uh accounts, and um when uh that bell rings and expenses appear, uh we can bring those to you uh as part of a finance update.

Speaker 1

2:12

Council members still

Speaker 5

2:14

I guess just as a general question, um, I know this is before my time on council, but you all had like the the water wells that you you did the OTA deal with.

2:22

Is there been any kind of cost or or revenue?

2:27

I I guess if you want to look at it that way, that have been associated with the OTA since, or is that was that kind of like a one-off?

Speaker 3

2:33

So the yeah, that check as per that relationship cleared the bank at about 8.9 million.

2:39

It's been deposited in the water uh utility fund.

2:42

The water wells on I-35 just north of Indian Hills, uh, I think those probably have already been taken down as part of the big pipe project you see laying up there behind Hayday.

2:56

Um so those wells may not exist, but they'll be capped and and uh abandoned properly in accordance with DEQ.

3:05

Uh, but I don't think we incurred any expense in that uh so far.

3:09

So really that check they cut for those assets, it's about the only activity we've had, and it has been accounted for in the water fund.

Speaker 5

3:17

Fair enough.

3:18

Yeah, I I guess for my part, you know, I I imagine that it's uh you know, there's there's nothing going on now so much with expenses, but if down the line, you know, there was an expense that you know from public works or or something like that, just as an easy way to track it.

3:32

I I do think we should be tracking kind of like the the fire and police as well, but you know, we've talked about that in other study sessions, and I don't want to create like an undue burden for them.

3:40

So that's kind of like a maybe a future conversation for them, but at the very least, like setting up a cost code just to track both money coming in or money going out.

3:49

I I think would be good to see long term what the term pike has, uh the effect on on Norman in that sense.

Speaker 3

3:55

You bet so we can uh we can bring you that activity on a monthly basis as it occurs.

4:01

That's

Unassigned speaker

4:01

it.

Speaker 1

4:03

Anyone else?

4:05

Oh sorry, council member Gandersbury.

Speaker 6

4:07

I kind of go along to the same point there, and then definitely the track, like you said, that system works perfectly for catch-off for all departments, nothing.

4:16

Um it comes to thinking about you know, fire and police collecting that or whatever, because the actual cars on the pavement is still so far out.

4:28

No real need for them to have to vamp something now that could start over the course of the time, seeing if it's coming to fruition and everything like that, then they could put it into the budget for those unnecessary upgrades in their departments for any kind of software data collected services or anything like that to get those.

4:47

Yeah, we try to get somebody on how to collect the data or

Speaker 3

4:49

whatever.

4:50

Um officer training when they're in their cars and the report comes up on the mobile data terminal.

Unassigned speaker

5:00

Uh anticipated traffic west of I-35 at uh the Indian Hills leg is is yeah, end of 2027.

Speaker 3

5:06

So we do have a little runway in front of us to be able to make sure those systems are in place.

Unassigned speaker

5:13

Uh

Speaker 1

5:13

council member Bryce.

Unassigned speaker

5:15

So

Speaker 7

5:15

let me try to understand this.

5:18

So my expectation would be regardless of the department I'm working

Unassigned speaker

5:23

in.

Speaker 7

5:25

Yeah,

Unassigned speaker

5:26

if

Speaker 7

5:26

I have a I'm gonna call it a millable hour.

5:29

And it's associated with a term pike.

5:33

I want to be over a period of time to be able to mine that data as related for this department.

5:38

How much did I spend related to turnpike?

5:40

Whether that's a week, a month, six months, a year, three years.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Finance And Accounting█████████████████████████████████████████████48%
Fiscal Sustainability████████████████████21%
Public Safety███████████████████20%
Health Insurance████████8%
Emergency Management███3%
Summary of Proceedings

Norman City Council Meeting - October 15, 2026

The Norman City Council met on October 15, 2026, beginning at 22:00:55 UTC, to discuss establishing turnpike cost-tracking accounts and reviewing monthly revenue and expenditure reports. No agenda or minutes were available in the source transcript; this summary is based solely on the transcribed discussion.

Discussion Items

Turnpike Cost Tracking

  • Finance staff (Kim Kaufman, sitting in for Clint Mercer) proposed two tracking mechanisms: geocoded dispatch codes for police/fire responses in turnpike corridors, and capital-project-style accounts for other departments to code eligible expenses.
  • Councilmember Still said there has been little turnpike-related expense so far but supported a cost code to track money coming in and going out over the long term. Councilmember Gandersbury agreed that police/fire collection systems could wait until traffic is closer, noting anticipated traffic west of I-35 at the Indian Hills leg around the end of 2027.
  • Councilmember Bryce asked whether employee time could be coded as billable hours to the turnpike account; staff confirmed that time sheets can be coded to a specific project and mined by department.
  • Regarding the earlier Oklahoma Turnpike Authority water-well transaction, staff said the approximately $8.9 million check was deposited in the water utility fund and no significant expenses have been incurred to date. Staff said backfilling related costs into the new account is achievable in the current fiscal year.
  • Council directed staff to proceed with the accounts and to report activity to council.

Monthly Revenue and Expenditure Report

  • General fund sales tax was 4% above budget projection to date; licenses and permits were 63% above target; shared other taxes were about 40% below target; and overall major general fund revenues were 3% above target.
  • Westwood was about 19% below projected pool revenue at season close due to the Fourth of July storm, landscaping, and equipment issues, but Westwood overall was up 36% over the prior fiscal year and the swimming pool was up 14%.
  • Water fund major revenues were 10% over budget, helped by the completed smart meter program that now bills accurately for water passing through meters. Water reclamation fund revenues were about 10% over budget; new development excise fund revenues were 90% over budget; sanitation fund revenues were about 5% over budget.
  • A rate study was nearing completion; staff said they would provide an ETA for council.
  • Monthly sales tax comparisons with comparable cities: June was 13.35% over the prior year, with increases of $85,000 in manufacturing, $321,000 in retail trade, $236,000 in colleges/professional schools, and $238,000 in accommodation/food service. August, reflecting June sales, had increases of $281,000 in manufacturing and $376,000 in colleges/universities. September, reflecting July sales, had increases of $136,000 in retail trade, $55,000 in colleges/universities, $55,000 in manufacturing, and $50,000 each in arts/entertainment and construction. October, reflecting August sales, was 8.4% over the prior year, with $366,000 more in retail trade and $243,000 more in colleges/universities.
  • Councilmember Grant asked if game-day sales were included; staff said yes because OU has one tax permit, and the cashless stadium environment makes accounting more accurate.
  • Councilmember Still asked whether sales tax data could be broken down by location. Staff said it is possible by business but complicated by mailing addresses vs. physical locations, and offered to pair cell-phone traffic data with credit-card swipe data to analyze district-level activity.
  • Norman Forward sales tax receipts were below projection, though general fund revenues were up; staff indicated future Norman Forward projections will use a cleaner calculation.

Budget, FEMA, Overtime, and Staffing

  • FEMA approved reimbursement for the Fourth of July storm. The city submitted about $4.5 million in claims within roughly $8.5 million in cumulative claims; about half of the city claim covered debris removal and the rest represented the destroyed MSTAT building. Staff will meet next Thursday with state emergency management, FEMA, and Cleveland County claimants, and will ask whether the building reimbursement can be used for another emergency-response facility such as Fire Station 5.
  • Mayor Holman reported that about 94-95% of the annual overtime budget had been spent four months into the fiscal year, with fire over by $215,000 and police about $30,000 from exceeding their overtime budget; about 50% of the fuel budget was spent. He noted record sales tax revenue is being outpaced by costs.
  • Staff plan to recommend adding three firefighters to staff Ladder 2 at the first November council meeting, with recruitment starting in January and the next academy expanded by three seats. Incentives to reduce sick-leave usage are part of the overtime mitigation strategy.
  • Councilmember Steele asked about dispatcher vacancies; staff said dispatch turnover slowed significantly after moving to the new emergency operations and communications center and will confirm with the police chief.
  • The FY27 budget baseline was adjusted after the FY26 close, moving the projected general fund ending-balance shortfall from about $2.7 million to $4.6 million, partly because of required payments into the risk management fund. Staff described revenue forecasts as conservative.
  • Staff discussed health-care cost-containment tools including subscription health care; 10 employees enrolled in the initial open-enrollment period.
  • Staff said the last COLA was July 2024; the city has invited bargaining units back to the table to discuss a COLA and insurance premiums given the improved revenue picture.
  • Outside-agency funding requests are expected to flow through the Finance Committee and Social and Voluntary Services Committee process in February.

Key Outcomes

  • Staff were directed to establish turnpike cost-tracking accounts and to bring monthly activity to council as it occurs.
  • No formal vote was recorded; the items were discussions and directional decisions.
  • A single FEMA reimbursement payment is anticipated before the end of the calendar year, with timing and use details to be clarified at next Thursday's meeting.
  • A recommendation to add three firefighter positions is expected at the first November meeting.
  • Staff will provide an ETA for the rate study and will work on a map pairing cell-phone and credit-card data for district-level sales tax insights.

Meeting Transcript

On the agenda is discussion regarding establishing accounts to track costs associated with the term pike. Do we have anyone here to anything? I'll speak up. I'm I'm in Kim Kaufman uh sitting in for Clint Mercer today. Um and I understand this a little bit um from what I understood. Um it was it was a discussion about uh setting up a project to track uh staff time and any other costs associated with the turnpike. Um but if it's uh you know, like emergency response that we're wanting to track, that would be up to the police and fire department to kind of establish a fee schedule to do that more in line with uh the September 29th study session. So a couple of ways to do it, first and foremost. Information systems are designed to ask questions that are known in advance. So the ability to have this conversation today and recognize what questions we want answers for in the future, perfect timing. Um and we can we can do it a couple of different ways. There's codes they can set up through dispatch that are I guess geocoded for lack of a better descriptor that when calls for service come in in these corridors, they just push a button, set a flag, and that data for those responses is collected. Um other departments who may or may not incur uh costs related to an emergency response, we would track those like a capital project. And typically when we have a weather event like the Fourth of July wind storm, um first thing we do is call finance and say set up a capital project, you know, call it Fourth of July wind event, and then every department knows if you've got expenses related to that, that's the account number you cut it off to. So um happy to establish those uh accounts, and um when uh that bell rings and expenses appear, uh we can bring those to you uh as part of a finance update. Council members still I guess just as a general question, um, I know this is before my time on council, but you all had like the the water wells that you you did the OTA deal with. Is there been any kind of cost or or revenue? I I guess if you want to look at it that way, that have been associated with the OTA since, or is that was that kind of like a one-off? So the yeah, that check as per that relationship cleared the bank at about 8.9 million. It's been deposited in the water uh utility fund. The water wells on I-35 just north of Indian Hills, uh, I think those probably have already been taken down as part of the big pipe project you see laying up there behind Hayday. Um so those wells may not exist, but they'll be capped and and uh abandoned properly in accordance with DEQ. Uh, but I don't think we incurred any expense in that uh so far. So really that check they cut for those assets, it's about the only activity we've had, and it has been accounted for in the water fund. Fair enough. Yeah, I I guess for my part, you know, I I imagine that it's uh you know, there's there's nothing going on now so much with expenses, but if down the line, you know, there was an expense that you know from public works or or something like that, just as an easy way to track it. I I do think we should be tracking kind of like the the fire and police as well, but you know, we've talked about that in other study sessions, and I don't want to create like an undue burden for them. So that's kind of like a maybe a future conversation for them, but at the very least, like setting up a cost code just to track both money coming in or money going out. I I think would be good to see long term what the term pike has, uh the effect on on Norman in that sense. You bet so we can uh we can bring you that activity on a monthly basis as it occurs. That's it. Anyone else? Oh sorry, council member Gandersbury. I kind of go along to the same point there, and then definitely the track, like you said, that system works perfectly for catch-off for all departments, nothing. Um it comes to thinking about you know, fire and police collecting that or whatever, because the actual cars on the pavement is still so far out. No real need for them to have to vamp something now that could start over the course of the time, seeing if it's coming to fruition and everything like that, then they could put it into the budget for those unnecessary upgrades in their departments for any kind of software data collected services or anything like that to get those. Yeah, we try to get somebody on how to collect the data or whatever. Um officer training when they're in their cars and the report comes up on the mobile data terminal. Uh anticipated traffic west of I-35 at uh the Indian Hills leg is is yeah, end of 2027. So we do have a little runway in front of us to be able to make sure those systems are in place. Uh council member Bryce. So

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