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Red Wing City Council EMS Workshop: Operations and Finances – September 28, 2026

City Council — Monday, September 28, 2026
BodyRed Wing, Minnesota
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, September 28, 2026
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Speaker 1

0:10

Welcome.

0:10

I'll call to order

Speaker 2

0:12

our September 28th City Council workshop.

0:15

And we have one item on.

0:16

If we go to number two in our workshop items, it's EMS operational and financial updates, and Chief Warner, and I believe other presenters, which I'll let you introduce.

0:24

So thanks for everybody for being here tonight.

Speaker 3

0:27

That's correct.

0:27

If you call 911 tonight, nobody is going to ask whether the ambulance fund is having a good year before we send an ambulance.

0:34

We're going to respond, provide the highest level of care, and take care of the patient because that's what we need to do.

0:40

The challenge comes afterwards, figuring out how we sustainably pay for that service.

0:45

So tonight's conversation comes down to one question.

0:48

What does it take to provide a reliable ambulance service every hour over every day?

0:54

And how do we sustainably pay for it?

0:56

Good evening.

0:57

Tonight I'm supported by a team that is here tonight.

Unassigned speaker

1:00

If

Speaker 3

1:00

we need to ask questions of other people, we absolutely can.

1:03

I have assistant chief Lens here, Assistant Chief Nelson will be over shortly.

1:06

They can provide insight into the operational side of it if we need.

1:22

She's behind me.

1:22

She's going to be presenting on that side of

Unassigned speaker

1:24

it.

Speaker 3

1:24

And then we have the attorney, Zach Cronen, and then also our finance team, both Marshall and Tony here because as you'll see, the ambulance touches a lot of different departments inside of

Unassigned speaker

1:34

there.

Unassigned speaker

1:35

So

Speaker 3

1:35

our objectives tonight is to understand the operational and regulatory framework on how the ambulance operates.

1:40

Explain the billing reimbursement and why charges don't equal collections, review the value and cost of advanced life support, discuss interfacility transports, consider alternative service models and long-term financial structure, discuss the townships and their involvement inside of here, and provide an update on the community risk assessment and the standards of coverage project.

Unassigned speaker

2:02

So

Speaker 3

2:02

just so you know the fire department's mission statement, as we tend to reference this, Red Wing Fire Department is committed to helping anyone in need, providing exceptional fire suppression, advanced medical care, technical rescue, and disaster management.

2:14

We're focused on public education, fire prevention, and operational readiness, department unity, professionalism, community engagement.

2:21

So a quick reference for tonight.

2:26

For tonight, we're only going to talk about the Minnesota side of it, not the Wisconsin side.

2:31

But again, I think it's important that we understand that we operate outside of the city limits inside of the townships.

2:36

But again, just the Minnesota side tonight.

2:39

And then once we get into it, there are specific statutes that we have to follow.

2:43

The ones with the stars we're going to be talking about is the primary service areas, staffing and service requirements, our EMS personnel certification, and interfacility transfers.

2:51

And again, specific statutes are required along those.

2:54

So that's what we're going to talk about this evening.

Unassigned speaker

2:57

So

Speaker 3

2:57

at this point, I'm going to turn it over to our billing, our third-party billing specialist, and Becky's going to really talk about how a bill works and what happens when a bill is generated from a call.

3:08

So without that, I will turn it over to Becky.

Speaker 4

3:14

Thank you, everyone, for letting me come.

3:16

My name is Becky Mork, and as he mentioned, I

Unassigned speaker

3:19

am

Speaker 4

3:19

the client success executive for EMSMC.

3:22

We do the billing for clients here in the Minnesota side and Wisconsin, although we're not mentioning the Scotson side.

3:47

Oops.

3:49

Okay.

3:50

So under I'm kind of the hub.

3:52

I'm in the middle of the mix here.

3:54

I'm the overview of the account.

Unassigned speaker

3:57

I

Speaker 4

3:57

just want to give you a quick overview of kind of how we operate.

4:00

I have a client success director above me that we can be used for escalation.

4:04

I work on maintaining the health and the overall aspect of the account, looking at revenue opportunities challenges that we face.

4:13

And then beneath me we have a revenue or excuse me, a client success representative who deals with the day-to-day deals a lot with Sandy

Unassigned speaker

4:21

on

Speaker 4

4:22

questions that may come in with the bill, patients that may have issues or concerns or things that are dropped off.

4:28

Those two communicate a lot on a day-to-day basis to get everything out in a claim form as needed.

4:34

And then we have an analyst also that works with us that does deep dives into your account quarterly to help me find the things that are concerning or that we may need to work with on a payer level, items that maybe they're not paying for or they're starting to deny, and that I can dig into on a quarterly basis.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Healthcare Access████████████████████████████████████████40%
Emergency Medical Services█████████████████████████████29%
Budget Equity Analysis███████████████████████23%
Public Safety████4%
Pending Litigation████4%
Summary of Proceedings

Red Wing City Council Workshop on EMS Operational and Financial Updates – September 28, 2026

The Red Wing City Council met in workshop on Monday, September 28, 2026, from 5:00 p.m. to 6:06 p.m. in City Hall Council Chambers. Council President Janie Farrar called the meeting to order; all council members were present, with Vicki Jo Lambert arriving at 5:01 p.m. Also present were Mayor Gary Iocco, City Council Administrator Chris Heineman, Fire Chief Mike Warner, Finance Director Marshall Hallock, Assistant Finance Director Tony Schultz, City Attorney's Office representative Zach Cronin, and EMSMC billing specialist Becky Mork. The workshop's sole agenda item was an operational and financial update on Red Wing's ambulance and EMS services, including billing, reimbursement, interfacility transfers, township funding, and long-term sustainability.

Discussion Items

  • Chief Warner presented the EMS mission, Minnesota statutory requirements, and the service area, explaining that the city operates within its primary service area and also responds outside city limits in townships.
  • Becky Mork reviewed the billing and reimbursement process, including EMSMC's billing work and the PWW compliance/advisory partnership, plus 2025 data. The city billed over $10 million on the ambulance fund but received $2.5 million in cash, for a 62.9% collection rate. Average cash per trip was about $964; 911 transports averaged about $758 per trip and interfacility transports just under $1,300 per trip.
  • Mork said roughly 75% of the payer mix is Medicare/Medicaid, which pays regulated rates well below billed charges and cannot be balance-billed. She also noted that Medicaid changes taking effect in 2027 could reduce Medicaid enrollment by an estimated 10%.
  • Chief Warner said the annual cost difference between advanced life support (paramedic) and basic life support (EMT) is about $51,000. Downgrading to BLS would likely reduce collections, not improve finances. If the city stopped operating an ambulance, it would still respond to 911 calls with fire apparatus but could no longer recover transport revenue, shifting more costs to the general fund.
  • The chief used an epinephrine pen example to illustrate reimbursement shortfalls: a $650 pen would only be reimbursed at about $430–$450 on the roughly 75% of calls covered by Medicare/Medicaid.
  • Chief Warner discussed interfacility transfers, which generate about $1.5 million in cash annually. He said the city has limited transfers to roughly 60 miles to avoid tying up ambulances and crews.
  • Finance Director Hallock and Assistant Finance Director Schultz explained the ambulance fund deficit. General fund operating transfers were $250,000 in 2023, $300,000 in 2024, $500,000 in 2025, and $750,000 in 2026. The preliminary 2027 budget proposes $750,000 plus a $3.2 million one-time transfer to address the accumulated deficit. Staff said unsubsidized losses had accumulated since 2017 and totaled about $4.5 million over ten years; the 2025 cash loss was around $973,000.
  • Chief Warner reviewed the current fund allocation of 48% general fund and 52% ambulance fund, and raised a 75/25 allocation as a starting point for discussion.
  • The chief cited a state methodology putting Red Wing's per-response EMS operating cost at about $1,147.01 versus a statewide average of $705.38, attributing the gap partly to the 262-square-mile service area and diesel fuel costs.
  • Chief Warner reviewed township outreach: the city requested roughly $32 per capita from townships, and two townships are considering $20 per capita, but none have committed. Townships that do not pay would still receive service. Mayor Iocco noted townships vote on budgets in March.
  • Attorney Zach Cronin updated the council on the default judgment against former billing provider Expert Billing LLC. The judgment is final, has been docketed in Minnesota and South Dakota, and no payment or response has been received. He recommended a future closed session to discuss litigation strategy.
  • Chief Warner said a community risk assessment and standards of coverage draft will be presented in the coming weeks or months.

Council Positions and Questions

  • Council President Farrar asked who sets interfacility rates. Billing specialist Mork responded that rates are influenced by Medicare/Medicaid releases and by comparisons with other agencies, with final approval through the city/chief.
  • Council Member Snyder asked whether both an ambulance and fire truck respond to every 911 call. Chief Warner said the ambulance responds to the call; fire apparatus is used for severe calls or when extra paramedics are needed.
  • Council Member Kliewer asked whether any townships had committed to contributing. Chief Warner said none had committed; two were considering it.
  • Council Member Lambert confirmed that the operating transfers were coming from the general fund, and Finance Director Hallock agreed.
  • Council Member Goggin asked about the yearly deficit. Finance staff explained the deficit growth and the impact of Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement changes.
  • Council Member Norton expressed support for funding EMS through the general fund as a community service, comparing it to law enforcement, but she was concerned about losing leverage for state subsidies. Chief Warner replied that the city could still apply for grants as long as it tracks operating costs and receivables.
  • Council President Farrar requested additional discussion about transfers coming from reserve funds.

Key Outcomes

  • No formal votes or decisions were made at the workshop; it was an informational session.
  • Follow-up items identified include continuing township funding discussions, performing a cost analysis of resident versus non-resident rates, considering future fund allocation options, scheduling a closed session on the billing-provider litigation, and presenting the community risk assessment at a future meeting.
  • Chief Warner indicated he expects to bring a treatment-in-place grant to a future council meeting for approval.
  • The workshop adjourned at 6:06 p.m., with the regular city council meeting scheduled for 6:30 p.m.

Meeting Transcript

Welcome. I'll call to order our September 28th City Council workshop. And we have one item on. If we go to number two in our workshop items, it's EMS operational and financial updates, and Chief Warner, and I believe other presenters, which I'll let you introduce. So thanks for everybody for being here tonight. That's correct. If you call 911 tonight, nobody is going to ask whether the ambulance fund is having a good year before we send an ambulance. We're going to respond, provide the highest level of care, and take care of the patient because that's what we need to do. The challenge comes afterwards, figuring out how we sustainably pay for that service. So tonight's conversation comes down to one question. What does it take to provide a reliable ambulance service every hour over every day? And how do we sustainably pay for it? Good evening. Tonight I'm supported by a team that is here tonight. If we need to ask questions of other people, we absolutely can. I have assistant chief Lens here, Assistant Chief Nelson will be over shortly. They can provide insight into the operational side of it if we need. She's behind me. She's going to be presenting on that side of it. And then we have the attorney, Zach Cronen, and then also our finance team, both Marshall and Tony here because as you'll see, the ambulance touches a lot of different departments inside of there. So our objectives tonight is to understand the operational and regulatory framework on how the ambulance operates. Explain the billing reimbursement and why charges don't equal collections, review the value and cost of advanced life support, discuss interfacility transports, consider alternative service models and long-term financial structure, discuss the townships and their involvement inside of here, and provide an update on the community risk assessment and the standards of coverage project. So just so you know the fire department's mission statement, as we tend to reference this, Red Wing Fire Department is committed to helping anyone in need, providing exceptional fire suppression, advanced medical care, technical rescue, and disaster management. We're focused on public education, fire prevention, and operational readiness, department unity, professionalism, community engagement. So a quick reference for tonight. For tonight, we're only going to talk about the Minnesota side of it, not the Wisconsin side. But again, I think it's important that we understand that we operate outside of the city limits inside of the townships. But again, just the Minnesota side tonight. And then once we get into it, there are specific statutes that we have to follow. The ones with the stars we're going to be talking about is the primary service areas, staffing and service requirements, our EMS personnel certification, and interfacility transfers. And again, specific statutes are required along those. So that's what we're going to talk about this evening. So at this point, I'm going to turn it over to our billing, our third-party billing specialist, and Becky's going to really talk about how a bill works and what happens when a bill is generated from a call. So without that, I will turn it over to Becky. Thank you, everyone, for letting me come. My name is Becky Mork, and as he mentioned, I am the client success executive for EMSMC. We do the billing for clients here in the Minnesota side and Wisconsin, although we're not mentioning the Scotson side. Oops. Okay. So under I'm kind of the hub. I'm in the middle of the mix here.

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