I think I will get started.

Good evening, everyone.

Um start to the open public comment period.

Would you like to speak about some items that are not on today's open uh unit clearing?

He's not speaking.

If not, no one has any closed public comment period.

And Commissioner Rosh Dask.

Commissioner Action here.

Commissioner Camini?

Here.

Commissioner Crown.

Commissioner Yosk here.

Commissioner Andres.

Here.

Commissioner.

Um Commissioner Gluthba and President and Commissioner Boy and Commissioner Ahmed are accent.

Um we are on to the part of the agenda.

Uh any questioning that concern about the agenda in the staff?

Commissioner.

If not, then I would take uh motion down.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Motion mean that commissioner I shouldn't be second uh on the paper.

Okay.

Anyhow, motion classes.

We move on to the consent agenda.

Has everybody had a chance to review the unions for last uh the last meetings in general?

So any questions concerned changes.

Oh, we approved the consent agenda.

Okay.

Uh motion maybe about secondary by commissioner.

Anyways, motion passes.

We move on to reports and recognitions.

We have one report on the agenda today.

It is the commission use moment and both CD 2025.

Stacking.

Chair Fuca and for commissioning digit meaning uh my name is Mr.

Joe.

Um bringing this application.

Um guide towered uh for a traditional use perfect located at the 7 variant road.

Uh this is for the wireless uh communication power to the second.

Um the sites highlighted in the yellow outline, more specifically 3550 area.

It's generally located in the center.

Uh the uh conditional use permit request is for the uh approval of a 105-foot uh small one pole tower with ancillary button or uh horizon markets.

The approval body on this application would be the city council, and our staff recommendation is for approval.

Uh in terms of the process that this application is going through, that they did have a neighborhood meeting uh a few weeks back.

Uh after that, we had the uh conditional use permit submitted uh here tonight for public hearing.

Uh the is approved, uh they will submit their civil plan reviews if there is any uh public improvement that's done, and also submit their building plans for this is the uh US St.

Use map again.

The slides highlighted in the blue line to the to the east and to the north and to the southwest.

Uh this is all low density residential uh designated properties in two side comprehensive planning use map.

The property to the west uh is parks and open space, and the property uh to the northwest is uh civic dissolving.

Uh this is the zoning map for the city.

Uh again, highlighted little with the uh center yellow square BAPER site for leasing areas, uh the property over to the east is the zone for bar two, which is a low density residential small fund.

Um property to the southwest northwest zone for one, which is low density uh I'm sorry, single family residential uh fixed mixed single family residential cities during performance and land uses.

Uh there is a single family home on the site, Marion Road.

There are also a couple of additional single family homes from Harry and Road off to the uh the east side of the public subject side to the south.

We have Fair Creek Floodway, uh both of the park feeds are located to the west of elementary to the north of the side we have rivers.

This is the ECI tower site plan that was a bit more broader site.

We have that existing dwelling unit right here on across the high road.

We have that 5550 leasing area.

And then also there will be one access from Arian Road up to the facility.

This is a little bit closer view of the subject site, releasing area.

Is in the center of the uh of the leasing area.

And we have the uh commercial wireless uh telecommunication telecommunication facility equipment to uh just the uh West the east side uh just a couple of uh exhibits here just wanted to show uh the facility screen this site is uh about five acres in size, fairly large, bottom mature uh native vegetation on site, and you can see in the on the bottom left hand side where generally the location of that tower uh and now it is surrounded at the bottom uh native vegetation uh on the top right, but top left.

Uh you can kind of see where the uh site is.

It's it's actually in behind the trees here, but uh this might be a little bit of a glimpse of it from this direction.

Uh but this is uh what the applicant could buy photo accepted here just generally what you're anticipating uh the facility to look like uh from Marion Road, showing the 100 foot 105 foot top, not uh this is the uh tower elevation again.

It's 105 feet, and uh down here we can have channeling the SLAS towards the street disappearing from the site.

Uh we have to have requested conditional use permit or additional height uh subject to city council approval if maybe defended if we have to create that functional coverage both provide it from the whole location.

Functional coverage cannot be provided at a lower height, and it cannot be combined uh in the mouth residential industry ultimately.

Um, this is what their uh functional coverage map uh this first one here is the existing conditions of the Verizon facilities.

Um the area uh identified in the screen, I think it's generally good quality.

Uh the uh yellow area incremented.

Um expand on this a little bit further about what the use that would represent, and then of course the area red where I could kind of identify fairness that are kind of good section function.

Uh this is the 65 foot tower height, and this is permitted uh in the R1 zoning district, or I'm sorry, R2 zoning district um property.

Uh we can see the service area and extends out probably uh when we go to uh sorry, this should be 100 power height, uh, you nearly double the uh coverage area five cells.

So they are requesting uh 100 five wheel tower in order to uh only provide or need one telecommunication tower uh to service this general area.

Uh in terms of our summary findings, uh we can find that the facility move to create any negative environmental products.

Uh it does not conflict with any prior approvals uh associated with this site.

Uh, and the proposal satisfies all other current applicable UDC standards.

Uh additionally, particular loading on loading and parking.

Uh will not create a hazard to safety or post significant burden of public facilities.

Uh so uh we are uh requesting that the commission uh forward the recommendation approvals of the Marin City Council uh for a 40-foot increase of height uh for 105 foot total uh and uh which would allow for the area to receive good function coverage, which would be essentially double the size that would be otherwise uh facilitated by the standard 65 wood.

Um two uh uh 65 foot power high towers wouldn't be communicated to service the same general area if uh they are required to follow that 65 foot standard with the residential subject surgery.

Um so we are motion by recommending that motion forward approval uh of the structure of a 105 volt wireless power communication service tower with the excellent equipment and certain as outlined in the human needle data december can't control the uh and that includes some presentation and have a series of questions.

Thank you, Mr.

McGill.

Is the applicant present today?

And yeah, I need an add anything that uh your next left.

Um mining is not converted to see our towel and blue iron properly.

Um see that it's 105 and that is a tower, like there is a lightning process to is there's like higher than that's going on.

There's a drawing is correct, it's just actually so it's similar to me to increase the 44.

So the uh stack taken that into consideration.

It goes it can go up to 50, right?

It could go up to 50.

So what you follow would be anything else?

No, it's very uh force.

So is anything in the question that it would be important to that's not that you have a question?

Yeah, I didn't mention um look at that last.

Yeah, very good.

The existing condition, this is at 65 feet.

Uh this would be 105 feet that's about high fairly here.

So that's the hundred.

That's lower.

Yeah.

Um my question is about the same map.

Uh can it really map?

Okay, so uh what is the green and the yellow 50?

The red is but there's no customer.

No, the red is where it starts things starting to see in those areas.

There's gonna start to be you know seeing more issues.

Yeah, and the green and the yellow have each.

Yeah, degree and the degrees are I mean it's green is good, really good degree yellow is a little bit less.

Yeah, exactly.

And uh then like as you get uh people more out of uh the east, it's a little more um uh strategy to coward.

Well, that's not a big area that's like it actually not fixed, and and if you know what's part of the out there, there's uh a pretty good ridge for the model that we're starting.

There's a ridge there.

Okay.

Um this is how we that's not checking.

That will not correct that.

So if there's already coverage in this area, why are you not doing it?

Well, there so it's it's degrees in quality, and so and and this is a really this is just more of uh basically so you have some things for reference that you can look at.

But the actual stuff that the engineers use is far more detailed and addressed the things like has how much you know how technology or any um this was mostly about coverage because actually you can't hold a call uh how these area drives um it's questionable if this space connected or not.

So where is it does go right so the same thing?

Well, they they do it's just a question of how good it is, and you can see from the thing to the map that shows up in the internet.

Okay, so it's a floor.

Yeah, so you can you can see um we can all boft.

This is this is the current existence we can.

Okay, so then if you put a 65 foot, then if you're gonna be a linear better and then 100 five feet.

Yeah, and there's uh and there's an acid data that was submitted as part of the code requirements of sense of in uh ordinance for towers, and so the afternoon from the Paul talking about it here addressing a lot of this and there's much more to detail in mandatory.

So this tower is it only just wireless, uh just horizon guard is gonna use service, or is it probably shared by a capitalist screen?

It's primarily for horizon power if it is a multi-carrier tower, and that is required by the total as well.

So somebody else wants to come in the area, they have to be floated and sending us that's a code requirement.

Sounds good.

Any other questions?

Uh we should ask.

Yeah.

Right.

And we just drew the descriptions again.

That's a big pretty technical question, I think too.

And I may not have very good answer for 75 commercial zone, so get a little bit of hype there, but uh you know, obviously I think you could anticipate issues.

If this is what horizons experience.

Can the commission asked you?

This aspect of going forward.

Yes.

We need to pay the book.

Uh maybe in other business that that would be a good place to make such motion.

Uh and then uh I think the motion subsetted to be the back directing staff don't uh did the standards and happen report on uh distance and the functional uh capabilities that are built very sense.

Was there something very unique about this location that you needed the high increase or is do you think that uh this is 105 feet is probably a good idea to get standard?

That's probably a good idea for making standard for every tower of volume and contracts.

I mean you're probably going with the real issues I would uh exit normal to do with uh existing mature tell how networks arrange and weather ultimate trees uh there's a lot of that basically holding.

What was the uh issues here that you have to increase it?

Well, it is location 65 is just uh really really low height, and it just doesn't need any kind of um other minimum requirements.

Um 105 proposals here is the absolute minimum, but we are engineers they can work in this area.

This area, yeah.

Okay, yeah, it's at cables.

If I may just jump in on that conversation, um I think another important thing to remember is throughout the code it refers to co-location.

Um, and generally speaking, a lot of co-location in the city of Rochester is on city water towers, and those are generally 170 feet in the air.

Um, so I think this is just a very unique case of an area where there aren't many water towers, there isn't really a place for co-location that makes the the antenna itself warranted.

17 times a week.

I completely agree with what you're saying, but one of the determined factors and um rising for 15 years, so I understand actually made a spiral spec 96.

But the point is with something like this is the mature trees, what happens is they need to build something high enough to get the bigger reach.

When you do seven miles to a tower back in the day, and then there's interference between those faculty reception, you'll notice like in the winter time when the foliage is up, it's really their service is better, and that's some of the things that happen, but I'm assuming that how this is expanding, it's gonna bring people more coverage and more capabilities and safety too.

I would assume because they can call for help, they can call different things where they couldn't always get service if they have seal siding or things like that too.

Yeah, and long so I don't even see over.

Right.

And also there is a repeater at the top of the century that gets rented out.

So I'm assuming that other carriers can rent that same tower that you're talking about to get better service, but they have pockets as well.

So I know that there's one on top.

It's good to know that you know other people, other things can we do that on paper is quite a lot.

Yeah, maybe the managed common thing because everybody's got an easy one.

I make a motion with recommendation of approval to the council on conditional use permit number C B 2025 dash 0105 multifinding to support all windows that should be developed and updated December 10th 25.

Motion made by Commissioner Aish Management.

All the any other inspections any questions, one of the USAI.

Right.

Any names?

Can I listen?

We'll go on to our parking hearings.

Um hearing 6.

This is a traveling management number C 202509 C and D.

I chase that staff.

Can we have a report piece?

Thank you.

This is a transportation and agent plan requesting an increased parking facility located in cross or the center of South Park.

Um here this is the site here, it's located on southwest corner of Highway 14 and Fourth Avenue or Crossroads Avenue, I think is another name for it.

Um it's in the high meeting shopping center.

Uh and uh they are requesting an increase in the parking from uh the requirement of uh 11 spaces to 24 spaces uh request for additional parking both.

Uh this is in the MXG's building district, and uh staff is making a recommendation for approval of uh 19 spaces uh requested, uh not the full spotning report.

Uh and planning and zoning commission is the uh moving body of this application.

Um, in terms of the uh development process, uh the applicant has that in given.

And uh we are here tonight to discuss this management plan for increased parking.

Uh they can currently have a site development plan in process uh of course uh is determined tonight uh is how uh the uh site plan will proceed forward at this point.

Uh after that, there will be civil plan review uh if needed that development agreement with the city uh and uh building permits submitted after the uh building permit that's under the buildings don't make its uh certificate requirements and inspections.

Um management plan allows for some flexibility for uses with varying parking plan characteristics that are difficult to specify and not a single off stream parking and local standard.

Uh commission shall review a TPM plan and they adjust all parking standards associated with each ball based on the information provided.

Uh travel demand travel demand management plan shall estimate the parking demand uh or the proposed use based on institute uh traffic engineers, uh the urban land institute, uh international council of shopping centers, the American planning association or some other applicable source of uh parking uh information.

So from a professional.

So the applicant has opted to uh utilize the institution of traffic engineers uh to identify the peak uh hour of the number of trips associated by parking problem.

So uh we need uh building it is 335 square feet uh based off that expert footage, they would be looking at the maximum for a deep hour uh trip generation of uh 45 trips.

Uh basically uh for the UDC, uh, the maximum number of spaces they could add is once elect space is that a space of one towards 300 square feet.

Uh the pink indicates that they'll have uh eight employees on site.

Uh that would just be three spaces for the customer parking on site, which does seem maybe a little light there.

Um the proposed parking space the applicant is uh uh requesting in 24 spaces.

This will be a ratio of one space for every 139 feet.

Again, eight places will be on site, that this would be 16 spaces uh for customer parking.

Now they could have 45 uh bar trip uh generation um for Saturday uh at midday.

Uh community development recommendation is for 19 spaces, which is one space for 175B.

Uh and the average feat hour, uh, the average customer visit would need to be uh it can be up to 15.5 minutes with uh just 19 spaces for the site.

Uh and we believe that we would address their parking needs of local customers and bank employees of thousands of parking site.

Uh this is the side plan for the development.

Um again, the building is 335B.

Uh the impervious area are the areas here shown in yellow on the site is 64.2% the impervious area, and the landscaping area or pervious area is 35.8 uh percent.

Um so they do have more than sufficient uh landscaping on the site to address their landscape and requirements of the UBC.

Uh the the UVC requirements 15% uh or the MSG district.

Um we also looked at uh other cities and to just kind of gauge what they have in terms of parking standards for financial institutions.

Um again, our space requirement is a maximum of one space for every 300 square feet.

Um the first several uh cities that we've looked at uh have uh a parking space in these are all expressive minimum, so only the city of Minneapolis has a maximum express, but they have no minimum requirement.

The other six down here uh um uh are generally uh require a minimum that it is uh essentially what is almost equivalent to our maximum, and essentially this the eight down here uh will have a minimum parking standard, which our maximum would address.

So our is a little bit more uh it's a low tiger than a lot of the suburban clips and communities up in one cities area.

Um so in terms of criteria, uh planning commission shall review each uh plan and adjust maximum parking based on the table.

Uh table 400.

Um as noted, uh staff is recommending spaces uh for for the uh grants.

And uh we are requesting that the commission approve uh CD 2025 for the clients and support outline to the community memo uh community development memo data should be obvious uh increasing the maximum number of parking spaces to next number as recommended by 20 for the subject to one for which we approve that includes my presentation.

Thank you, Mr.

McGill.

And yeah, the executive.

We there online seven, and you have 10 minutes.

Hello, my name is Braden Kemplin with Kimley Horn representing the applicant for this Chase Bank project.

The applicant has not much additional information to share outside of what Desmond presented.

Um the applicant would just like to highlight that the report just give us one second here.

No problem.

I think I've probably moved forward speaking to me later tonight.

Um I might have the timer out of the board.

Is that okay?

Oh, yeah.

I have a question which we have.

So you know the earlier discussion with cell phone towers on the I think we've been talking more about parking spaces before we make the cell tower.

So are we kind of tracking that?

Well, you know, the UDC living back in when we adopt people conversation also should be looking at at the seal previous piece of adjustments.

Yeah, I mean, based on our research, it is don't worry, but kind of much scripted than a lot of our parts of the facilities area.

Um, but understanding that as I said, interesting community that has a strong central floor.

Uh so we're trying to balance two German house.

Um, and uh um well, so we we we do in this circumstance feel that sharing is warranted, and we could look at those the edges in 2020.

Um keep building into this.

This is uh I think the third time we had for the IT app before the planning finish, I think the first one was like two things.

So um it's absolutely something we could you know always re-re-relocated and uh proposed to get additional types of different how's the audio now?

I mean to last comment for how many things.

Um the request is coming obviously, but I'll probably have looking.

Um I think they're identifying what their what they believe would be their needs or for their facility.

Um that's it's based off of what the peak generation.

Um I think that we just noted in the staff report uh it's not always the best practice to you know we period uh to determine what your parking need is.

Um perhaps 45 you know, trips is not the the right number to be what we can think of being less parking uh and having the 24 that there has to be for.

Um so uh but uh this is what they're finding the challenge, actually, to be their standard criteria as far as how they um develop sites that we can.

I think it's a thank you start.

How's the audio now?

Yeah, here I'll I'll just try to call them myself and I'll put them on speaker.

Let's go that route.

Hey, I'm sorry about that.

Yeah, apologies for that commission.

Um yeah, thank you for hearing our project.

Um the applicant has not too much additional to share other than what does been presented.

Um the applicant would just like to highlight that the conditional of a condition of approval for the the proposed 19 parking spaces would be in line with the commerce and Scott Chase Bank proposed a few months back.

So the applicant has deemed the 19 spaces would be sufficient to to serve the the business's use.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um actually and uh the high games to come back and make another song in the night.

Yep, applicants here.

Yeah, would you like to add anything?

The applicant has nothing additional to add.

Thank you.

You mentioned the other site must draw accessories.

Did you provide us how many bots that location has for the bookage?

Yep, the other the other um the other Chase Bank location also has 19 spaces proposed.

So went through this this um travel demand management plan for that location as well, and each location will propose eight employees on site, leaving the additional what would have been the additional three um client spaces to be not sufficient, therefore requesting the increase to the 19 parking spaces would allow approximately 15 minutes for the usage for the for each client's visit to the bank, which Chase Bank deems sufficient to serve the operations.

Anybody else has questions?

Okay.

I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution approving travel for mainly I agree with number C 225 that's 009 C to increase the maximum number of parking spaces up to 19 spaces with the findings and support 11 community development test.

Sorry, good motion made by and seconded by commission.

I mean you need to mention conditions.

Second by which that was a condition of approval.

There is one thing.

Okay.

So okay.

So any other questions or discussion?

Okay.

Any names?

Motion passes.

Um next application is the major modification number CD to zero to the five, C to the seven modesty developed staff.

Can we have your report?

What's the sound understanding?

Apologize.

Yeah, this is our next application.

It's a uh request for a modification to the maximum, right?

Since uh the second application we've actually done for major modification, the first one was approximately about a year ago.

So I just wanted to kind of touch base on what the what we're looking at with the major modification request.

Um basically this is a section we've been to flexibility within the C.

Um that's a similar process uh with the design modification that we have the uh is intended to allow for some adjustment of dimensional impairment samples without requiring the same very period threshold as a variance, which would be much more difficult to work.

Uh there's uh two types of different types of modifications minor modifications, which will be established in.

And then there's uh the major modification, which the decision making body is the planning subject.

Uh in what we have up here is the major modification table that shows the different kinds of uh modifications that you can obtain.

As you can see down here in the highlighted area, you can get a uh reason residential height of 10 feet in Halloween from the zone PS3 through a major modification request going to something like this.

So in terms of the criteria, this summary of the criteria of modification can be approved, or mentioned finds the request, addresses unusual sites of scrain or requirement or is that common to other lots, uh creates no additional, no material adverse impacts on the budding lots, and does not violate existing development uh conditions.

Uh it needs to be one of these three criteria results in more connected to the results of better connectivity, uh results in better screening or bumpering or results in no material increase of street department just sort of local or residential streets within two feet of the project.

Also, it cannot result in uh uh change in use of mixed uses or use specific standards, deviation for fire codes or engineering standards or requirements for public roadways and further changes uh to development standards that have already been modified that cannot be uh addressed through this process, uh, nor any change to um fisco or um storic storage preservation office uh standards or criteria.

Um terms of this project, uh, this is uh the Africanist commercial development companies.

Uh this is located at the north central portion of the city.

More specifically, it's located in the farms project.

Uh the specific site, the five-acre site is located just north of 55th Avenue, or 50th Street, and uh about a quarter mile east of 18th Avenue West.

Uh, this is a major modification request to allow for an additional 8.5 million bike in that NXC zoning district.

Uh, and SAP is recommending Google subject to conditions.

Uh the uh Rochester Planning Zoning Commission and the approval fund for such activations.

So this is the uh current uh zoning uh around the site.

Again, here's the property highlighted uh with blue outline is zone NXE makes use center.

Uh to the north we have R2 zone property, which is that um low density residential small mod zoning district, most likely you would see up here uh the future town homes or patio homes single family as well.

Uh just more intensive uh low density residential developments.

Uh to the south, we have an R1 zone uh property that exists as a park.

Uh immediately across the street is in the condominium complex that has the R3 zone district.

Again, it is and also some triplexes, which I believe are part of the SM community.

Uh to the southwest, we have an MXS zoning uh immediately to the west, and more MXC, which is part of the same project, and we have uh medium density residential R3 or essentially department complex or complex uh development uh that will occur uh further to the north and then to the west.

Uh again, here's the site uh in terms of surrounding land uses, uh will be low density residential development to the north of the site.

Um have Essex Park down to the southeast at senior housing uh immediately to the south, some triplexes.

We have a funeral home reading uh facility uh associated with that home to the Southwest.

This will be future mixed use development apartments and commercial uh associated with the Danielson Family Farms project, and then we also have uh future medium density residential.

Again, that would be probably more parking complexes in the future.

Uh this is also part of the data system.

Um, in terms of um the criteria for uh approving a major modification uh staff has found that to be uh supply with the criteria.

Uh there is an unusual uh site constraint, and the project is generally consistent with the P2S comprehensive plan and supports many of the roles that are in there.

Um first we'd like to note that the specific site location is located at the toe of a you know fairly decent size null where you have uh uh the uh slope uh trend upward in the rate of about six to nine percent.

So by the time you get um to you know what would be the first tier of uh residential development in the home around this building, uh it will probably be several feet higher than this.

This will help mitigate some of the height and density of the structure because it will be validated by a number of feet.

So you can see um here this is the site, uh photo image of the site with uh highlighted about the particular area uh of where that building is situated.

Uh, this is the approved general development plan for uh subject site and it surrounded the home band to the north and to the west to the east.

Um the site is highlighted in yellow.

And uh as you can see, uh we would have the in this first uh flush of the uh general development plan uh they are showing uh twin-home development uh that would back onto this.

Now it could have been mentioned, something different, like townhouses or four plexus and things like that.

But the idea is that this will be a higher uh intensity of low density residential development.

A couple of other things we want to point out to you as well is we got this uh uh couple of streets that will each side, uh, the west and the south.

We have a major uh arterial or strategic arterial street on the south side, that's 55th Avenue, and that's provides some separation to the uh of the uh properties and wall units to the south, and then we have this uh collector street that was running through the development uh that provide we will make sure that we have no immediate uh situated homes or of course uh development right next to the proper subject setting.

Um, in terms of um uh you know consistent with comprehensive plan we built, it's a nonprefensive plan in several ways that it addresses our core principles by expanding housing diversity by providing for sale senior housing.

That's a product we have not seen very much.

I don't think I've ever seen for sale senior housing condo projects since I've been here, which is about seven years.

Um it additionally it enhances existing neighborhoods by the intentional design response to the uh hillside scrambles, and also uh uh and that uses uh it makes an effort to maximize the infrastructure without unnecessary forest model expansion.

The idea here is to go up and out uh in order to preserve open space uh for the development, uh, which would be use more active recreation and as acid recreation as well.

Uh we also uh find that it it integrates land use transportation and emphasizes managing high density residential development and employment here, existing planned transit systems.

Um, of course, this is it does have a bus route on it, uh, and uh there are several other uh high density well, I'm sorry, we have projects along the stretch about would have that easy access to the regional commercial center of the line to the less.

Um, and so we know that this higher density is situated right on 55th Street Northwest.

It is a good fit for those reasons, and then also it emphasizes physical sustainability.

Um, and then we have those improvements out on 55th Avenue.

I think they were done probably the opening years ago.

I'm not a native apologize.

I don't know if you hear the timing on that, but I know they're barely recently facility, and I believe there was also sort of that with that.

Um by growing up then rant then out the will allow them to do a lot of different uh amenities on site for recreation joining with their residents.

So uh we feel that those are all very worthy of chapters.

Um we don't find that there would be any adverse material uh impact on the joint areas.

Uh these the joint properties are not subject to the neighborhood standards.

The reason being is that there are there is no current development right now, those kick in once you have single family or maybe food or up to a four-plex development adjacent, uh, but at the present time, these those would be back and fly are not triggered.

Uh it is a joining a strategic arterial road on the south, and uh, and also that collector road, which will prevent exposition of residential development near the property lines.

Um, and then the increased elevation helps uh mitigate the additional 8.5 degrees height.

Um we don't find that it would uh violate any previous conditions of approval, or this project wouldn't cause any additional traffic uh for onsite parking or uh on in surrounding neighborhoods on local streets and all the site parking will be all the parking will be located on site, and they have direct access to a collector road, they won't be going through any local residential streets in the setting to access the arterial system.

Uh, this is their concept of that, and uh you can see we've got a little pickleball for it's in a dog run.

There's also some raised parity watching board cutting three on the outside, so it is a fairly open uh kind of concept, and um you know, this was one of the reasons why they were looking to go in additional story upward rather than out.

Um, and um we do have a condition of approval that makes it specific to this plan and what you're seeing.

Um and I will get into that in a little bit.

Uh, for the reasons being is some of the the uh criteria that we were um using and it's providing support for uh it is specific to this design, you know, and that it's uh provides more uh recreational opportunities to the uh residents and also um it would uh uh the other the other item is that it provides for senior housing.

Um and uh that is like I said uh sorely needed uh at the present time.

Um this is these are the concept elevations.

Now these aren't really up for review, but wanted to show you kind of both the general direction of their project and what that would be what that would look like.

Um this I believe here is from the south side uh of the uh uh the development or essentially on that would be kind of give you sense of being.

Um terms of the major design modification uh criteria, we find that uh that the bindings uh we chart until the staff report uh and uh we are recommending that that uh the commission approved with conditions this application with the staff findings being conditions for approval.

Uh and I just wanted to note that we referenced uh that in the condition of approval that uh it uh you know this is subject to specifically a senior development more than uh 150,000 square feet inside.

Um, but also wanted to note that uh uh that uh that is livable spare footage.

They when you look at the parking uh underground and then also uh some of the uh service areas and such the building ends up being 2,300 uh 231,400 square feet.

So that is essentially we're trying to put some parameters on it.

So if this project uh uh was to change in any way that we would have to either come back or this who would not extend uh to two such uh development would have to come through and the address is open anyway.

Uh that is our my report uh maybe having to answer any questions uh the arrelevant such and just one provision and we're gonna give me a staff separate supervision.

So I'm gonna remember the mission when I brought up some of the seasonary for the floor and stall request probably um other than we'd be recorded.

So we're trying to find a good study of benefit maybe because one problem is in the public house in the um disminute modification of all so vertical every side to provide that by city rochester um our products is located for the leads we had studied.

Um where it's not rubbed one condition doesn't think of providing that clarification of the building, 1500 doesn't really all wall to the old advanced parking garage.

But then we started uh very committed both the nursery that's across the street actually in regular level.

So first building my head home, and then we get to the back of it uh public there.

Uh to kind of start academic function.

So the public hearing, do you have any speaker site?

No one wants to see that is on the close to public hearing and in like that.

Nothing else to add maybe.

Yeah, one comment questions.

The first building we spoke of that's a long, long way specimen, right?

It does.

There's um uh my understanding is it's over our defaults, which is very, very, very common with cooperatives.

Most folks really understand how they operate.

There's really not very many developers that work in the space, so it's uh high price content.

So we're really excited to be pretty happy here.

Just to kind of guess what?

I mean to have a condo development is it's been a long, long time, and it's it's great to have an option back after some changes.

I think at the legislative legislature made a little bit easier.

Um the only common as a personal one that might used to write my bike down 55th Street windows of gravel vote was forward on either side.

Um just kind of echoing everybody else's stuff, but uh that property over there has been open a long time.

It's been sitting vacant for a very long time.

I remember seeing a retirement sale on a lot of that stuff.

I think that means something that is a substance for people to stay in their own community, not have to travel out to have the amenities that they want.

They have to travel far south end or the tarp like the ball.

I think that's important for its value.

So thank you.

Thank you very much for that.

Comment and just again say if folks are interested, they can check out our website at the American Cooperatives.com to learn more about our project and the medical student that I mentioned.

Uh question.

Okay, we go back to the building development.

We see essentially five residents of the floors.

That's right.

Is the ceiling type nine?

It is nine.

I have a question.

Uh, have the developers property already, or is this it's included on happens here?

Yes, thank you for the question.

So uh Anthony properties is the master developer of the hundred-acre jams site.

Um they my understanding is it closed on 45 of the 100 acres, and then we are under contract for five of those 45.

And uh we have a free sale requirement.

Uh we use HUD financing for our project, so we have to get the 60% pre-sale before we can break ground.

We will break ground um right when we uh close on the land.

So those two things are kind of tied to a sales programming, so which is why I mentioned the lesson many.

Any other last if not, then I have a potential.

I'll we make a move.

Well, I'll move that we approve major modification number CD 2025-027 MOD to allow an additional 8.5 feet building height with the findings and support outline of the community development memo dated December 10th, 2025.

Second.

Questions pilot they would say I think DNA's motion passes.

It will launch the next uh application, which is a zone change numbers CD to leave the 506 Z C Victor Flow RST and then C.

And I understand that the next application is D is a major lands at the region of the state property.

I mean I'm getting one presentation of the six C and six D.

Yes, that's right.

All right, it's just a bit uh cheating.

Good evening, members of the commission.

Uh HGD would tell uh community development.

I'll be presenting the post-sale change application CD 2025 and preliminary plat application CD 2025 to have zero or vision plat for the area's project.

Uh the applicant for uh post applications is Oprah RSP LS LLC.

Uh the subject site is located generally in the southern portion of the city, uh north side of 60th Street Southwest, between 11th Avenue Southwest on the west side uh and highway 63 to the east.

Uh site is highlighted in the star on the screen.

Uh the approval body for zone change in mainland subdivision is city council and staff's recommending.

Um currently we're basically beginning legitimate point of uh the kind of process for this uh parcel.

Uh snipe the applicant seed approved both the zone change and preliminary plat.

Um following the approval of these applications.

The applicant will work on the conditional list prior to submitting the final plat application, and uh building permits will be less after supporting its cost and five.

The output change currently has in review uh another application uh by the third start of the general rural development plan uh that's approved at the administrative level review.

Um, this is the concept dermal development plan just for information purposes uh it's being shown.

Um really the GDP site contains approximately eight or eighty acres of uh project site and surrounding properties.

Uh and the purpose of the GDP is to provide proof of concept for roadways, servicing, store park management and uh feature development pattern.

Um this is the uh underlying land use as provided by the city's conference plan.

Uh subject sites in red this time, and uh currently it functions as an agricultural parcel containing a single detached dwelling.

Um surrounding uh compliment designations include industrial, parts and open space, and control.

Uh here's an overhead map showing existing zoning property.

Uh for the zone change application, the applicant is seeking to rezone the 13 acre parcel currently zone AG.

It's showing green within the border to uh rezoning to an R1 uh zoning.

Uh while comparing the existing and proposed zoning districts, there are many similarities between uh the two permitted uses uh of nodes, both the implement single detached residential as a 500,000 head view.

That's what's the post with the uh GDP application feature development.

Um comparing the existing and proposed zoning districts.

Again, there are main similarities uh for the dimensional standards as well.

Um both districts have the same standards for middle and lot width, street side or setback, rear setback for accessory structures and primary building max height.

Um included the other standards in the chart.

Um really the main the big starting out here is just that mid-with law area requirement going down from 35 acres to 5,000 square feet.

Um for the other standards, uh you see there's anywhere from one foot difference to the minimum to uh five foot for the yard setbacks, uh primary or accessory structure height uh drop from uh to uh R1.

Um, but again, as noted the primary structure height is 35 feet between the two.

Um, again, uh last would be the landscape area goes up to 50 percent uh minimum for the R1.

There's no uh minimum for the Hogar kind of as called make sure these combined to allow more lots on the same base parcel size.

Um that's just in line with what the applicants will see here.

Um, these are the summarized findings for the proposed zone change.

Uh the full findings can be found in the packet.

Um, the permit use is within the proposed zoning.

Sorry, the commitment use within the proposed zoning districts are appropriate and archived with the surrounding area.

The proposed zone changes not the search spot zone given the definition and underlying P3S land use classification and the proposed district zoning district better aligns with the policy symbols of the conference plan that includes providing more houses stock to the southern part of the city.

Um now I'll jump into the major line subdivision application, CD 2025-041 flat.

Uh, just to quickly touch on this major land subdivision, it's the initial document authorizing the creation of subdivision.

Uh at this time we are considering plot development standards set by GDC, such as lot sizes, being full of pedestrian access and connected connectivity and public utility needs.

Site design standards such as building locations, height and setbacks are not part of the plot review.

Um, here is a copy of the preliminary plot exhibit.

Uh, the applicants proposing subdividing the 15 acres parcel into 37 residential lots and two outlaws, um, kind of based on the current mapping.

This is going to be a sideways view, just uh fits on the screen a bit better.

Um, so 60th should be on the right side of the screen there.

At this time, uh density residential is the underlying landings designation, and it proposes R1 single singing block fabric.

Um, access is seen coming from six seeds street shown on the right and moving mark into the site as part of the later phase of the GDP lands being developed.

Uh, the access will move for 11th avenue and back down to six via uh going easy months respect respectively uh to support future growth in this area.

Um here's a quick outline of book steps for the proposal.

Uh final platform condition fulfillment would occur prior to the decision being made to form the report the new lots.

And staff recommended nine conditions for the preliminary plot.

A lot of these are standard.

Just to ensure the site serves the required those city standards.

There are a couple just one.

It's been requiring the zone change and the GDP.

We have two recommended motions, one for each application.

We will need both motions to be moved and voted on separately this evening.

That concludes my presentation, and uh good answer question for me.

Thank you.

And I'd invite the application if then it's either each case itself.

I'm here on the new residents, or you can see the questions for address group uh applications together, you're gonna have a zoom change.

And reason before they have zone change or the 13 meters, so as we explain zone change or so, and you just showed you that the district is compatible with the showing area back in the south range of the district, and the zoning support isn't really building.

So uh on pages 102 and one of the board in the back of our criteria that was all dynamic results rewardiness to the approval of zone change.

Staff is where the findings to support that criteria, and just a reminder the Roma plan was being reviewed, except for lead where staff part of the decisions to make.

So in conclusion, we appreciate approval by support the zone change when we add to the R.

We did hold the neighborhood meeting on October 28th, and we do just need the traffic waiver because the total trip generation for the project is less than the minimal trip should we actually have preliminary platforms screen.

Um there are uh the preliminary plans this is a layer of general development plan.

The goal is to develop 37 lots in two phases.

And staff supported the preliminary platform conditions that are on the report.

I think on page one three of that kind of threes.

For those nine conditions, which I really hope is that you have to satisfy them.

And then we also request the commission to the council as a home report.

So we're gonna question that there's later on backing from there.

Thank you.

Thanks.

And then any members of the public that would like to speak to this, these two applications.

Um at 3315 42nd Avenue Southeast, but I own the property along with my brother to the north of this development.

Um, it's all the agricultural.

Um, I've got um a couple concerns.

Um is that the traffic you went to the neighborhood meeting to get further information, and the the traffic impact looked at 60th Street.

However, um, where 60th Street goes into highway 63, it's not a very safe area if you were exiting going toward Rochester or towards Stewartville because there's kind of a blind area coming in.

If anybody's familiar with that, it's there's a curve there coming towards 60th Street, and then it's a hill up the other way, and it's hard to see traffic.

So the majority of the people who live in that area would likely use 11th Avenue and then go down 48th Street toward um uh highway 63 and use that as an exit.

And um, I would recommend looking at the traffic impact on 11th Avenue Southwest as well as 60th Street because the majority of people will quickly use that.

That's one thing.

Um, the other thing is um it's just um the property, and I don't know what their intentions are as far as the um how they're going to excavate for the homes that it's limestone.

You go down this far and you hit limestone, and a little history is that there's a quarry on the other side of Highway 63 from where this proper this property is located.

And when a quarry was active and they would um last in the quarry, it's echoed through you know with the limestone structure underneath.

It went through, and the properties in that area all re um on my property, Russell's property, the property they're looking at, those to the east of it, all have damage to their wells and their basements.

So I'm not a geotechnical engineer, but I think it would be important to have someone look at how they're going to excavate that area and not have an effect on properties in the area.

Um I'm not in favor of this general development plan there are properties, and that I know the neighbors are not opposed to look at the way the general development plan is laid out, and um, he's unable to be here, but there's one individual who owns the property, the map's not up there.

It's in the um Russell Baker, he lives at 4560th Avenue.

He texted him and said he wasn't able to come, but he has concerns because he never received notification of that this development was going in, and this property is part of the general development plan.

So his concern was that he had no idea this was happening as he was standing home of the native meeting and that's the better.

Thank you.

David Martin.

Hi, my name is David Hickmeyer.

I'm resident at 724, South Point Ford Southwest.

I look directly on the south side of 60th Street, meet one for 721 60 southwest.

A current 15-acre small farm on the north side of 60th Street.

My home was built 20 years ago, and I purchased it 10 years ago, the area to the north of me largely consists of farming land, large open plots, and a little bit of forested area.

This has an aesthetic appeal to it that myself and many of my neighbors considered when purchasing our property.

Um, despite being density in Rochester, when I look out my window, I see anything but that.

Over the years, I've enjoyed seeing the cows and the chickens of fine property that we're talking about, as well as many of the deer, turkey, and other wild animals that exist in that area.

The proposed rezoning would introduce a subdivision into middle of the squermouth and large distance completely disparate from such a construction of the intention or ability to do so to the surrounding area, meaning that larger plots are owned and any future subdivisions within square mile require significant construction and alteration to the landscape and land itself on top of being largely agricultural area.

This is the definition of sticking up like a sword bone when considering the immediate surrounding area.

That's the primary property on 60th Street as a head or entry to the cell phone court, something that has no aware of in unit situation to speak on the houses of dealing with new construction, the addition of utilities to the area.

Um this includes anything from water to electricity.

Beyond the likely destruction, likely destruction of utilities, there'd be the obvious new utilities that need to be introduced for the rezonings, as well as consideration for the potential 40 new properties that would exist within the area.

Nonetheless, this rezoning would result in years of construction in the area that is currently not designated for it, nor was it when myself for my neighbors purchased their property.

This too while many others in the area of routes are already under construction or expanding and are more suitable towards that rezoning or restructuring of the area.

The accessibility in and of itself should be cause for concern as introducing a drastic increase in residence to an otherwise underdeveloped roadway, as is the case with 60th Street, should be considered.

All this to say that I do not believe that this time this particular area should be considered for rezoning.

Like to deeply express my objection to the ease point.

Thank you.

Mining and quarrying of the rock queries which installing utilities in the area we have performed soil throughings on the site, and then the whole area there has so long.

However, where it does, and we have to use unordinary means like hyper hammering at all to get the server and one of the utilities in place.

Or if we have to go to blasting, it does permit it by the city.

Our contractor does a pre-dumble site visit to every home round.

There are videos, all our foundation, anything super.

We have seismic drafts on the property of land if we use your the uh reportings of the last thing if that happens.

So there is a pursuit in place dictated by the uh public groups department about if we should have to blast what we have to do.

So there's a big difference between open that before to my operations or church on the other uh you know, as far as the overall general verifying your code, the UC code requires that would show how much of the area could be developed off the sewer system, and there's another 73 acres that doesn't mean that the people who live there have to accept that road plan that we put together, it just means that we could show them to see how much gets into the sewer system.

They choose to develop once the sewer was to the north end, they certainly want to with no charge and extend.

There is a plan in place that published one, I think we're so suitable.

Any questions?

Any questions?

Commissioner Ross, thank you.

Um I just want to clarify and thank you both for coming up and speaking, and I we hear your concerns.

Um, one thing though about Rochester and Old State County is it's basically sediments of limestone sandstone throughout the entire county, not just around the start, unfortunately.

So I think that um proposing something that is where they help the city and the neighborhood, um having a plan B if they can't confuse some that's that we drop is helped help with the other questions interaction.

Do you have to give?

Oh, just one of we've heard quite often the concern about not that we look by we okay with our um as far as being an organization area.

So yeah, and then even if we don't get 75 people, you know, we have to continue to expand that now further until we do get to you know 75 years properly.

So we should put it in such a okay.

Uh yeah, just awesome.

My understanding is that yeah, yes, that's is that pretty issue proceeded part of it.

Yeah, I I um I have heard from Commissioner Ross.

I I assume she doesn't intend to accuse herself, but I would you know, as I would leave that to her discretion, and we need to talk through that.

Um happy to have that conversation.

But I think we're blame for a board that we all have to agree.

I think if everybody's agreeing, and I decline even if I decline the majority wins.

Is that correct?

I thought it was more complicated than that, but the person would be fun, but no.

Yeah, I don't know.

That is the first time I've been reading about the project that's yeah, and ideally, we like to have these conversations before the meeting, but what I would say is that Commissioner Klein, what I think you're saying is whether or not Commissioner Rock should recuse herself uh from this particular agenda item specifically six C and six D, uh, because Mr.

Point believes requirement.

And I you know, certainly as the city attorney's office, we're willing to you know talk to commission members, but we aren't in a position to make the ultimate decision.

You all have been appointed to the planning and zoning commission.

Certainly, my office can provide advice and suggestions.

Um, but I would leave it to the discretion of Commissioner Ross if she decides she wishes she needs to refuse herself.

If she does decide to refuse herself, I would ask that she leave the dais, that she not participate in any additional discussion or in the vote of this matter.

Um if she chooses to vote on the pattern, then we continue as as we ask.

Uh Commissioner Ross, I decided to stay.

This this comes up quite often over the last 56 years with male people doing the commission and the council and they note that there's no interest.

Sure, just any other questions for the applicant of the staff.

Commissioner Plan.

Oh, okay, okay.

No, I don't think so.

Okay, if not.

We've had projects similar times in more of an underdeveloped areas of Brochester where the road service has been a concern.

Um, in the past that's been reverse to the city engineer that's all that.

Um would that be something we could incorporate in future presentations?

Uh, just noting that if that's a concern, that's come up in the neighborhood information meetings, kind of what that plan is moving forward if that road service is going to be expanded upon or brought to more city standards.

I agree with that suggestion.

Yeah, I think we can uh try with that uh if the uh we try to uh have a lot of discussions at the uh pre-development uh meeting stage just to kind of see if there's any timing for updates uh to be included, or just to kind of make sure the timing is a little more beneficial or makes more sense saying twice, for example.

Um part of really the condition list here between the scrolls are five food from five to five, maybe the outcome would be required to get all their readings or you have the use of your schooling to be uh placed in and uh you can have some discussions on if we need to step on pension not to include any proof of this decision.

Um but I I don't know if we can fix that at this time as I think if if I may as well.

Um yeah, Ed Caples.

I wouldn't I'll just note that you know for future staff reports.

If a roadway is underdeveloped abutting the property, we can we can note if it's part of a capital improvement project or something if there's something in the works of upgrading the road um as development continues to it's span.

Generally speaking, it it helps for um future roadway projects in that area just for something to keep in mind as well.

Thank you.

I'll make a motion to forward a recommendation of approval for zoning map amendment C 2024-006.

Staff should ever reach 2025.

Uh yes, it's cool.

I'll restart by motion.

Um we'll move to forward a recommendation of approval for zoning map amendments C D 2025-006, it's C C with the findings for job line in the period of development memo dated December 7th, 2025.

Motion made by Commissioner Crunch and seconded by Commissioner Aishan.

Any more discussion questions?

In favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any nays?

Um, we have uh um commissioner client saying nay and one two three six yeses.

Okay, um motion for six D.

I make a motion to forward a recommendation of approval with conditions for major land subdivision C D 2025-041 flat with the fighting and support outline of the community development memo data December 10th, 2025.

Second.

Uh motion made by Commissioner Ash and seconded by Commissioner Andres.

Any more discussions?

I'll in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any nays?

Commissioner Klein has declined as said nay and sex yes' motion masses.

Moving on to the next two applications.

They are the same property and by the same end.

Application 6E is Shoreline protection bottom number 82025 SBD by T homes of Minnesota L and C and 6 F is a major land subdivision number CD20 to the 50 hopefully that G homes of MISA.

And we have a judge.

Evening uh chair, members of the commission, my name is Ellie Hiller with Rochester Community Development.

I'll be giving the presentation for mentioned applications by multi-homes of Minnesota LLC.

So just as a refresher, since this look this is the first one and the only one of this year, the shoreline protection permit is to allow for development within the shoreline.

And that is defined as land located within 300 feet of a river or the landward extent of the floodplain designated by tournament on a river or stream, whichever is greater.

So there's a handy DNR exhibit on there that you can see as well as you know for lakes, it's a thousand feet, but primarily tonight we'll be looking at for uh a river.

Um, this one up here now to solicit and I want to really emphasize because this is depicting the shore impact zone.

Um so all structures must be at least 50 feet from the river or the body of water.

Um and then the shore impact zone is the 50% of that setback.

Um, and that is the area that is most prone to erosion and any uh detrimental effects that may occur uh through development.

So really obviously we want to stay out of that.

Um the other thing too is uh we cannot be clear cut in that area of vegetation.

Um so tonight uh the reason why we're here for this shoreline protection permit is uh for letter C that you can see there, it's a subdivision, five or more drawing units, but that density is you're seeing the minimum lot width density standard.

Um so you could see your uh screen from the ADC.

So the general information for today, um, the applicant again is multi-homes in Minnesota LLC, the site, which should look familiar because we just had three applications, uh be approved by council.

Um it's located southwest of the intersection of country club world west in 45th Avenue Southwest.

And there are two requests for you tonight.

The first would be to approve the proposed shoreline protection agreement, um, and then the second would be to recommend um send a recommendation to city council for subdivision of 141 acres in the 300 residential six elements.

Um I'll also say that we had previous applications uh three that I just mentioned the growth management map amendment, um, which changed this area from urban reserve beyond 2050 to near term for an expansion that was approved by council.

Um second was a comprehensive plan amendment to designate the land use from urban reserve to low density residential, which was also approved by council, and then the last would be an annex, which is currently under review of the state of Minnesota municipal boundary adjustment office.

Um, and then there's also GDP that's yeah, that would review the previously approved.

Um, hence why we're here today.

Um so for the approval body, um, you'll be acting as the approval body for the shoreline protection permit.

Um, and then the city council will be the uh decider for the major hidden division.

Really quick, just so you know, uh, to the east is also residential uses to the south, there are also residential uses, and to the north is also residential uses.

The uses to the west are all agriculture, the current use on the property is agriculture.

Um, and then tonight we will be recommending approval for both applications with conditions.

Um, and because of the environmental sensitivity for the site, there currently is an environmental assessment worksheet under review.

Um, there's a 30-day comment period that they're currently in, which ends on December 18th.

Um you've received one comment from Minnesota Pollution Control Agency, very minimal, very much just uh adding a number here and there or grammatical errors.

Um, and then there's also a floodplain development permit, which we're awaiting comments from the county.

Uh but again, I would stress uh heavily that this applicant has worked with not only the city of Rochester, the county, we've worked with the DNR as well as property owner to ensure that they are meeting all requirements and dieting or dying their ice and crossing their T's to ensure that there are no detrimental effects for the development in this area.

We've worked with the DNR, as well as the property owner to ensure that they are meeting all requirements and dieting or T or dying their eyes and crossing their T's to ensure that there are no detrimental effects for the development in this area.

And I'll also point out that the DNR is working with the applicant to for future stream restoration project, which will reinforce that area for Cascade Creek.

So on your screen right now is the uh shoreland exhibit.

That red dashed line, which is the 300 feet for Genoa, is in the north of the blue and south of the pool there.

Um there are about 32 homes that will be in that shoreline or the 300 feet, um, as well as some infrastructure roads, also we believe.

Um, the main focus of tonight for the shoreline protection permits to determine whether or not they are exceeding that 25% of infuriated surface within it within that area, um, as well as some other items that we would look at for uh downstream effects, uh removal vegetation, and then floodplains in that area.

Uh so they're not proposing any vegetation uh removal at this time, but there will be that stream restoration if I previously that is currently being used as agricultural and probably not right now, but that was the most previous, most recent uh use also front.

Um 32 homes that you can see on the lab would be in there from together that they can't exceed that 25 percent, they're proposing 22 percent for pre-surfacts in that area, which would be uh required.

Here's just their calculations and assumptions that they're uh technical staff that provided to show that 22 percent.

Um, and then also uh the ABC does allow for um that's just the section of codes there that is stating that, and this is all more so state statute, and we have to be as remote.

So findings of fact uh for this application of poll analysis can be found in the application, but like I said previously, or not the application, but the staff report, but like I said previously, the they primarily relate to the downstream impacts that could occur, uh the removal of vegetation, and then floodplain disturbance, all of which have been accounted for.

Um again, we've had previous stocks, um, numerous talks with the applicant with the DMO with the county with city with uh development team, but also our water resources team to ensure that there are no uh downstream effects, more disturbance to the floodplain, um, or that the construction will be uh in compliance with all those requirements.

All right, and so tonight we are recommending five uh conditions of approval, um, all pretty standard signals that we will require them to have a finalized uh thermwater grading and civil plan be approved by a project or public works.

Currently, there's a um preliminary plan in there, and there have been minimal concerns at this time.

But again, the final version be approved prior to the project development.

Uh the second being that the floodplain development permit should be approved again, just waiting for final comments from the county, um, and then we can show that the annexation is through with the state, and then uh the city council should adopt the record of decision for the EAW that we have currently working through the 30 days.

Uh, I will say that record of decision, once approved by council or adopted by council, does not equate to any approval to the project or any promotion of the project.

Um then uh prior to issuance of building permits, we'll want the applicant to record basically some sort of document against those properties that are within shore and overlay district again because we can't be professing that 25% for a service.

So I said a lot.

I will be more than happy to stop your questions right now, or we can go through with the major land subdivision.

Let's do a second one too.

Okay, sounds good.

So like Anthony had said, uh, the major land subdivision is the initial document authorizing the creation of a subdivision.

Um so we're looking at the lot size, vehicle and pedestrian access connectivity and public utility needs.

Um, and then we aren't really looking, we are not looking at the architectural design of the buildings, locations of those Philippines, the height or the stepbacks.

On your screen, it's very similar.

Uh this is the preliminary plan exhibit, um, just without the shoreland demarcated.

Uh so like I said, uh, this would be for the entirety of the site, so 141 acres, 300 homes.

Uh, but it's my understanding that it would be phased.

Um, and I'll have the applicant uh talk more about that.

She wants to verify on the sand.

And then you'll see to the northeast is Country Club Road West, and then to the east is 45th Avenue Southwest, which will be one entrance to the subdivision, and then to the south is 8th Street Southwest, which would be the secondary access, but that would be phases from assuming area.

I believe that they will be starting the northeast.

So similar to this store and protection permit, we will have conditions with this application.

There will be eight.

Again, all pretty standard, ensuring that before final plants in the middle that the city prepared development agreement is executed through council, the storm lever management civil and gradient plans are approved.

And then the developer shall provide revised planet exhibit that has a name for the development, and then all the necessary signature blocks for the county for us to sign to make it up to shore.

And then they there were a few comments from RP Electric and Water in the fire department that will have to be addressed prior to any final planet being submitted.

And then lastly, prior to any recording of the final plant, they'll have to meet their parkland dedication obligation as well as their boulevard treat obligation to the parks department.

So the next steps right now we're at the plenary plant.

If uh approved and blessed, then they'll go on to the final platform as well.

And then the building permits, and then because it'll be phased, there will be multiple final plans.

So tonight uh we like I said, we're recommending uh approval with conditions for both applications.

Um you'll see them on H3 right now.

That'll stand for any questions.

And I know the applicants in the audience, and I believe they have short presentation too.

I would like to invite the finish to talk, please.

Thank you.

Uh hello, madam chair, members of the commission.

I'm Dean Laudering with the land department uh Holting Homes, Minnesota.

We're located up in Bloomington at 1650 West 82nd Street.

Um, as I said, Bloomington, Minnesota.

Um, how would you like me to I can take TWSB stick?

Okay, sure.

I think I got to, but thank you.

I'm gonna advance it.

Thank you.

Sorry, I said.

So again, before you tonight is um the shoreline protection permit request as well as major land subdivision, and we're excited about this project.

Um, we're offering a Dell web community.

Uh we have talked with you a little bit about that in the preceding months.

Um, and now we're taking that next step as Elliot said, we did uh receive our GDP approval, and then also uh those important steps of the petition for annexation, roadmap management map, and then excuse me to count planet.

So I'll just jump right into the presentation and I will move along quickly and go time to the essence.

So again, we're bulky homes, we've been around since 1950.

We're a national home builder.

We're in 45 uh markets across the country.

What we're offering is that age restricted uh Dell web community.

Um I realized the city adopted a housing study not too long ago, and our executive summary it spoke to the need of the community to have retirement uh type communities and retirement housing option, and this is a really exciting one for us.

It's an a many uh rich uh neighborhood.

There will be a lot of sitting areas, community gardens, um, we'll have a lot of good uh trail connectivity throughout the site.

It's a challenging site.

The topography out there is quite challenging if you're familiar with it, and so we do have some police acts uh throughout the site that are just simply a result of the topography.

Um, how we get around that is we try to create uh trail connectivity throughout the site as much as we possibly can, and um, we worked on that diligently.

Um so the phasing was a topic that was brought up, and and what we'll be doing is we'll be fine and developing planned in two phases.

The first base, of course, would be north of the creek area.

You see that space kind of in the middle.

Um, that's the floodway, and we can't do uh any development or grading or disturbance in there.

So when we talked about the shoreline area, uh the floodway actually kind of creates a little bit more of a protected area for the creek and and compliance with the shoreline.

Our structure setbacks, I think you know, we could be within 75 feet of the of the creek itself.

We're over well over 100 feet, 150 feet of our structure setbacks.

Uh as Elliot uh mentioned, we're at 22 percent earliest surface in the area, so we're flying the code in that respect as well.

Um we have been working diligently.

Actually, could we go back a slide or two, Ellie?

So I want to talk about progress today.

Um so along with those other council actions, we also have had the neighborhood informational meeting.

So we've had two of those.

One was for the original Haskell petitioned grant station and whatnot, and the other one was for this application.

So we had that recentness in October.

I just wanted to mention that as well.

Thank you.

All right.

Um, so we have been working with um the governmental agencies, the city, the county, and the DNR quite closely.

Originally, we had the entire site under contract, and what we did at the request of the DNR and the county and the city, frankly, was we mapped out, we restructured our purchase agreement with the sellers to um release our interest in that floodway, and that allows the city to actually purchase the floodway and the DNR who has grant money already uh teed up, if you will, for the creek rehabilitation project, uh, they then can proceed with designing that project and building that project.

And uh we see that as beneficial uh for our development as well as the environment.

Um, and we're proud uh to be working that closely with all of those agencies to make sure that that project happens.

Right now, the creek is kind of a pretty straight shot through the southern portion of the site.

Uh, you can see it denoted there to the south.

What likely will happen, although the design work is not completed yet.

DMR will be working on that, is a conceptual uh kind of meandering of the creek and moving of the creek more to towards the center of that floodway, and then there's that sort of heavily dashed uh black line that's uh south of the future creek alignment, and that's actually a trail that the parks department wanted uh to have and to have connectivity from 45th uh into the development.

I already mentioned uh the fact that you know we're complying the shoreland uh pervious service deliberation below that 25 percent.

And just quickly, I know uh this isn't for review at this time, but thought you might want to see again uh you know what some of the homes may look like will be offering three different kinds of homes or category of homes.

Uh these are what we call our garden homes, and these are often attractive to to widowers or people with perhaps some mobility issues that are slatline grade homes.

The next uh step are what we call our classics.

Uh, these are a little bit larger home, um, probably half and half slab and basement.

Uh so there will be some options there for those buyers.

And this is for the buyer that may not be downsizing quite as much as as other folks, but these are three-stall garaged homes.

Uh, they have uh basements that all have all basements.

So, as you're aware, uh, with the Dell Web, we do have a great uh community center that will be built.

Uh that helps facilitate activity amongst the uh neighbors that will live there.

It will be a focal point for interaction and basically creating a resort-like living environment.

And just briefly, this is the schedule that uh we have right now with our project.

Um, as Elliot mentioned, we'll be in front of the city council uh January 5th is the schedule right now.

Um that will be with the major land subdivision, uh preliminary plat, and also the EAW will be uh reviewed by the council at that time.

Should everything come to pass, uh we would then start development spring of next year.

Uh we would start film sales in that northern portion of the site, um you know, perhaps the first quarter of 27 and move forward for example with building lessons.

I think chair questions.

This is about the caring, so I don't like the bumping test.

Thank you.

So this is a public hearing.

Is that is there anyone that would like to speak?

Thank you.

And the seat dog.

Yeah, thanks.

Hi.

And I live on 4812 8th Street Southwest.

And if you may remember last meeting we had here, we had showed all of you all the floodwater on the bottom of Cascade there.

And so I do have a picture of that.

I can pass that around again.

I I'm hoping that you'll be able to tell me after a seven or eight inch, nine inch rain in 24 hours, how that will impact that land.

The water's gonna come off faster.

You got roads, the water's gonna come off faster.

You got driveways, the water's gonna come out faster.

And uh so I could certain I'm concerned about that part of it.

Um also how much water will be held in the proposed meandering stream versus the existing stream.

What's the difference?

Is that gonna handle a larger flow?

Which I assume it is, but how much uh and the new pool of the water, I I understand it's gonna be uh excavation to provide pooling for uh uh the hole in the water during a flood again.

I'm looking at asking seven, eight inch, nine inch range, also thinking again about uh the roofs, the roads and construction.

This is a 23 square mile watershed, and and I've been in a couple watersheds about that size, and they blew up, and so I'm definitely concerned uh about that.

The other thing is flood insurance.

Um particularly that are close to the the stream or river, will they be able to get flood insurance and um or that hundred near that hundred year flood zone?

Um I'd like to suggest uh especially those homes that are on the lower end closer to the water, somehow to get them to go up to higher ground.

Um flooding, I believe, is still going to be concerned uh all the buyers anywhere near that floodplain.

And it might add um when you have something like this, and you're in um and people are a little skeptical about water and flooding.

Are they gonna go in and buy the homes?

Now I realize there's homes higher up, but uh for example, uh the logic that was approved um where the Great Moharens were uh the the trees were taken out, there's a road there that goes down to dead end road, there's 10 lots there.

None of those lots have been sold, and that's been three years ago.

So if there's skepticism, how well is this, how well is these project or these homes going to take off?

So um so that that's my concern, but I would like I don't know if the environment impact assessment would require at least looking at seven, eight inch, nine-inch rainfall uh coming down a 23 square mile watershed, and how that might um impact the homes that are in there.

I do, I mean, I like the meandering of the stream thread and provide there's there's more expansion there, but still I'm concerned about flooding and those people that might buy a home that potentially would flood or could flood.

So that's my um comments.

I don't know if anybody wants to see the flooding again.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

I'm gonna have to mess it up.

I don't want to see it.

You didn't want to see this.

I'll take a look.

Okay.

That's 45th Street.

29th 2019.

July 5th.

Yeah.

I'll look at it again as well.

Yeah.

I'm sharing.

Yes.

Just so that we're being equal for everybody.

I would suggest that Mr.

Dolphin show the picture to each other.

Okay.

Is there anyone in the public team would like to see?

Yes, at least gone.

I couldn't send my assignment.

That's what we've seen.

Commissioners.

So I'm a resident in the Metal Lakes Homeowners Association, which is almost the nearest neighbor to this development, just on the other side of 45th Avenue.

And uh and that's our development is right adjacent to the floodplain.

I notice we didn't see a map of where the floodplain extends on this uh map of the development.

Um but I'm presuming that not every home is in the floodplain.

So you know, I would ask we should ask ourselves can the development be accomplished without building in the floodplain.

Also find it interesting that this is the first floodplain development in question you've seen in now 11 months of 2025.

So it's probably not perfectly familiar to everyone in terms of what all the details are or how this happens.

I know city planning works really hard at this to understand that you know the concept of regulations of engineering and all that.

I'm not an engineer, but I've done some study.

Our development is large, 100 homes, 39 of them are right along the floodplain, just downstream from this development.

And when I looked and did my research and found the elevations of our homes to have at least some of them that are within two feet of the criteria for development and floodplain, which is the base flood elevation, and we get that off the FEMA flood insurance ratings.

The city says we have to build or they have to build two feet above that, and so our homes, which were built 20 years ago after being approved here, are at that same two fourth reasonable.

Now the interesting thing about this is the developer can decide, you know, based on risk.

We can build, we should build there, or we maybe we didn't build it because of risk.

But our homes are already built, and so we can't decide to unbuild them.

Um so I think that's an important consideration.

The unified development vote says the developer must go that node downstream uh it's not increased hazards downstream at all.

I've heard uh Elliot say that um that that's been verified, but didn't say what the criteria are for that.

I know what the criteria are.

But the base flood elevation uh that is resulted from this development is not increased from what it was before.

Now, the tricky part of this is that that base flood elevation is not a very uh there aren't high degrees of confidence in that elevation related to the risk model, which is a one percent annual chance of flooding to that elevation.

Okay, that's a mean or average elevation for that one percent annual risk, and it's based on what we'll get.

Which have higher elevations.

So if you combine fast, so about two feet higher.

By the way, probably the reason for the tree board uh in a five is because the newer information I should remind you that it's all still based on historical rainfall amounts and doesn't account at all for climate change.

So all these we would expect would last 100 years or more in the butt the specification levels be like 800 years per month or the developer.

Okay, developer.

The developer can take on that risk and say I want to build there or not, you know, but we're gonna sell our homes so someone else will accept that risk.

We can't unbuild so things that this development might do that might increase our risk.

Um we can't we don't have a choice about assuming that risk or not.

We just have to live with it.

So this commission, I believe, has the authority to say, yes, it makes all the development codes that the city of Rochester requires.

The regulations are messed.

We've heard that, but we still don't have to allow building the floodplain.

So all the involvement is happening in Rochester in this year.

This is the first one that wants to develop floodplain.

Is that really necessary?

That's my question.

Is there anyone in the public who may speak?

He's got statement.

I don't think this is an all or nothing project.

I mean, if you look, I I know this land, so I I can see the the North part up in the hills.

These these homes are gonna be on slabs, as I understand it, the ones up there, I guess we'll have basics, but it's just such a risk to an unsuspecting buyer.

And if the buyer is from Rochester, don't they remember 2019?

There was corn on the land, and we don't see and that feature.

That's how deep it was.

So I just I just think this is we're just doing an all or nothing when we could make a logical separation between the no, that lowland.

Let's need that.

If the city wants to make it a park, go for it.

And the at the upper land, Charles and then happily ever after.

But anyone else that would like to speak.

Yes, sir, please go.

Okay, my name is Ken Murray, I live at 48028 Street Southwest.

So I'll see um the only thing I wanted to relay, excuse me, is a conversation that I had with a realtor approximately two months ago, six weeks ago.

They were coming out of a little lily farm.

And I was outside and I was talking to them, and I said, When you guys are trying to, and I'm not gonna say who it is, male, female doesn't make any difference.

Are the people in Lily Farm that's not even it's not even me?

Are they being told about this development that's gonna end up going right near their back, right?

And they didn't want to say anything.

So I said, okay, I can tell you don't want to answer that.

So I said, You're a realtor, and they weren't 20 years old either.

I said, What do you think of it?

And they said, That they opened up a they said, I said I'll tell you three things.

They told me that.

And I said, What are the three?

Number one, this is the last thing the city of Rochester needs.

More senior housing.

They need to concentrate on the younger or future homeowners, I guess.

Uh the second one, I've lived here my whole life, I know what this is like, and it's not good.

And the third one, they said I've had people contact me about this, and my conscience won't let me do something.

I tell them no, you know, they can make money off this, but they just said if they go against my advice or anything like that, I'll tell them good luck.

That's it.

That told me a lot, right?

If I ask, I will close the five hearing, and may I call it for a five-minute week?

Sure.

I figured we just think it's a lot of sleeping.

Honestly, you're not at least.

So we have a side open phase one development.

Yeah.

So we're just too much.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So we're definitely away with the time models and then later on here.

So I see it was already on that.

So you can extend the sort of trend.

So I think we're concerned to reach things.

So that's you know, security by this one's very good.

So we're going to take your current rate until you can't think so that's what I should be supposed to be screaming.

Yeah, it's just what I've got the other thing.

So it's real class and not sure.

That's why it's all kind of fun.

Yes, we disappeared with an appearance.

I do have screen.

Yeah, so it's something that's going to be just into the ship's problems.

So obviously, we're done.

Is it just funding?

I mean it will make uh yeah, back up far saying would you like me to respond with the exit?

Sure, it's sure true.

Um let's talk about um flooding.

Let's talk about the water because that's that's one of the concerns that we've heard at both uh neighborhood meetings.

Um it's important to for the commission to be aware of the the DNR actually just filed the new Lomar letter of map revision with FEMA on the floodplain in this area uh within the last year or two, and it contemplated the type of rain events that have been occurring.

So the floodplain that's out there is established by current data, not not all data, but like a 500 European event, uh eight-age style meeting that's been talked about.

So there has been a new low car filet up there, and we are using that model of information to our engineer stormwater management system.

Um so we are using current data, we are addressing real life circumstances.

Um where you see the the Cascade Creek, either the realigned uh version of it or the existing, where you see that uh meet up with 45th AV, there are three sizable concrete structures that allow or are supposed to allow water to move east.

Two of those in North Boeing and South One are probably 50 to 75 percent full of sediment they are maintained.

The DNR lomar modeling actually modeled based on that existing condition, it did not amend itself to assume three bulgam maintained pulp or box callers.

My point is that is we have over-designed for the rain in the stormwater management system out on the site.

We have created um uh engineer drawings that city staff are reviewing and identified all the compensatory storage, which is the existing uh created pounding area that will handle uh the rain, and some of that compensatory storage will get wet during times of heavy rainfall and and then dry up in times of less rainfall, and some of that compensatory storage will stay wet all the time, but all of the stormwater that comes off our developed areas will be captured and treated in our systems before it ever goes to Cascade Creek.

So, what's important, I think, to address the concerns about the water is that right now there is no engineered stormwater management system out there.

It's farmland that's has been stated, and this is true.

The rainwater out there is completely uncontrolled, it's not it's not directed in any way, shape, or form, it's not allowed to flow as it wants to, and so our proposal will actually uh create the necessary stormwater management system out there to effectively address stormwater, and then we have to do that.

We cannot um make situations worse for neighbors, you can't make it worse for anyone downstream.

We can't push our rainwater to the neighbors south of eighth street, we can't do any of that.

That's illegal to do that.

Um, so when we're creating our stormwater management system, we're looking at uh designing it to do uh basically three things, right?

We're looking at rate control, being the flow with the velocity of the water, we're controlling for that, we're we're controlling for volume of stormwater, and again, we're basing our engineer drawings on a model that isn't actually accurate to a conservative degree.

So we are over-engineering the science for stormwater.

We are not just going to plot 300 homes down with all the streets and impervious surface and driveways and rooftops, and do nothing about the storm water.

But we're looking to build more webs in the Rochester community.

And to have that risk go unaddressed and threaten our homeowners, our buyers, is frankly a preposterous.

So I'd like to just make make that clear.

These are empty nesters who probably have lived in their home for 30, 40 years.

They don't want to maintain their laundry.

They don't want to shovel their snow anymore.

And they don't need as big of a house.

When they move out, they're then putting a home in a lot on the market that a younger family can buy.

So we're actually by helping move people out of their existing homes, we're creating housing opportunities for those younger families that we've been talking about.

Our Dell Webb brand is scrutinized by our corporate offices to a greater extent than any of our traditional neighborhoods.

And the reason is the brand is a recognized brand and it's very protective.

As a result, anytime we go into a market, we have to do what's called a site valid validation exercise.

We hire a third party consultant.

They meet with realtors from the area and other people who understand the market and the housing market, and site validation results from those meetings.

These are all local people that know Rochester.

That will are excited in established with us as so that that's my last comment, unless you have other questions.

Everything about everything in white that has exceptional green land on the between the two purple matches are now.

That's now being shifted.

No longer available property.

Yes, the floodway will be owned by the city of Ashley.

So the entire actually the flood control.

Does not affect our stormwater management directly.

We have to create the pond being out the side of the floodway.

We cannot excavate the floodway, we cannot fill the floodway.

We have to stay out of it.

So what the DNR does is independent from our stormwater management system.

Yeah, it's a prerogative of the city of the county and the DNR that wanted to do this rehabilitation project with or without the development.

It's not a product or byproduct of the development process.

This is actually a common practice of the city of Rochester.

We have own a lot of floodplain area to prevent development in those areas or flood wave, sometimes we put the plain.

That's also to you know, not required homeowners to cure flood insurance.

So that's one of the things that's a fake death.

And so, yeah, we would be taking this as we have the flood taking this throughout the city.

Yeah, if you think of a lot of the channels throughout the city, those might all be in flood planning.

We experience heavy rains.

But that's the reason for the being trails of third use of recreation.

Okay, maybe somehow than the sub public good being center of this view on the decisions.

I have a question.

So it's the shoreland protection area.

That's the shoreline.

Yeah.

Just to be clear, the decision before you tonight was actually the shoreline protection permit, not the not the whole major.

And the major land subdivision.

Yeah, those are the two questions.

Okay.

So I'm trying to relate the uh the application that DNR has fired with view.

So what is that for?

Yeah, so um any time there is uh work in the in the floodplain, or there's a belief that the floodplain would adjust or should be adjusted.

Um what is done is you know, we as an applicant, we could file what's called a lower or a letter of map revision, and what we're saying to the federal government is you're currently showing on your maps where floodplain is, and we disagree, we think the boundaries should be adjusted a little bit here or there, and here's the model that validates that.

Here's the assumptions that validate that.

Um there's a project like uh a creep rehabilitation project, or there have been work done to the east of the site.

So I think that's kind of what triggered the recently done low mark was other work in the area.

So my question begun then that uh the shoreline movement we have in front of us today is with the gutter one or with the new one that it responds all of our engineering response to the new home.

Yeah, which has all of revised calculation with firm train experience.

Okay, then uh within that uh shoreland, you will have about 22 percent of city.

Correct.

So can you also educate me on the kind of risks that would be there on this?

Um in the shoreline or um, you know, there aren't any risks that we see.

I I don't know if you're thinking about flooding or what risk that you might because it this community is learning from 55 inputs, and they don't want to floods, right?

So uh I'm just thinking what it does is that I mean you've already answered the questions about having our set.

Sure, but uh what does it get?

So uh several steps we take early in a process when we're looking at a site is we are trying to uh ferret out what are what risks are associated with the site, and we do a lot of work to that extent.

Um so we'll do environmental reviews, phase ones.

We did it in you know, phase two so we did all of those.

Um we did a decorate edge study, um, and there's just a little influence of the decora edge at the very northwest corner.

There's a wetland up there that has all the appropriate buffering around it, and all of our development work stays clear all of that.

Otherwise, the site is it's good as far as the core edge is concerned.

Um we've done um geotechnical borings and we've done quite a bit of test pits out there just to understand you know things like bedrock or hobbles.

Sometimes we have a site that has what are called cobbles, which are very large, very naturally occurring stone.

Um so we look at all of those kinds of things, and we we don't see other risks.

Someone mentioned insurance, so does that come into play?

We spent these so um the work that's being done because there's floodplain that's being built, we have to then mitigate that in a one-to-one ratio, and that's what that compensatory storage goes to.

So those kind of bluish areas on both sides, north and south.

You'll notice on the main entrance of the development there.

There's no development rate there, those are actually going to be plumbing areas that actually wraps around that in all the sacred.

All of those areas are contributing to what's called compensatory storage, so we're creating the necessary space to address uh storm water so that no flooding will occur of the residential properties.

Thank you.

Thank you, Madam Chairman.

There are no other questions I would vote.

With the findings and support allowed to the community development by voted December 10th, 2025.

So made by Commissioner Crowland seconded by Commissioner's aggressive.

Any other discussion needed?

Any last questions, Commissioner Klein?

Are we voting now on something that you guys saw that so madam chair?

Again, members of the commission, the shoreland protection permit is separate from floodplain.

And what establishes the shoreline uh district is the existence of Cascade Creek.

And so we have to draw a line that is 300 feet on either side of that creek, because that's what the protection zone is for the create.

And so that's what the Shoreline Protection Permit is called, and the test that we are showing is that you have an impervious service limitation that we're under.

So we're compliant with your code.

The floodplain permit isn't a separate uh entire issue.

Among questions from discussions, all in favor, say aye.

Any of these?

No, that's not a name.

Just editing.

So uh Commissioner Planck and Commissioner Yields are names, and we have uh five says so the motion passes.

Is there a motion on six steps?

I'll make a motion for a recommendation approval of the conditions for major land subdivision CD 2025 042 flat, but the bindings and support outlining the community development maybe December 10th is one 25 second.

Motion made by Commissioner Andricks and seconded by Commissioner Yoast.

Any discussion?

Not all in favor say I any names.

We have Commissioner Yoast and Commissioner Flying saying name and five S's motion faces.

That concludes our public hearing section.

That was about the confidence of plan and then the zone change on a 2.4 acre site located at the South West Corner Sixth Street, uh 67 South South East, and uh center street um on the east side of the summer research, but it's also bordered on the west side uh by the south.

Uh the um the applicant was requesting a change to medium density residential from high density residential, uh, and then they were also actually zoning map amendment from asking for results from R2XO density this field to uh hard or high density residential.

Uh both of those applications were approved.

Uh unanimate unitful.

Uh the other application was the Broadway Park and Ride.

Um, that was a conditional use permit that came before you.

Uh the council uh reviewed the park and ride facility and a conditional use permit um on the north side of the Rock Read uh Rochester Recreation Center on uh north of Elton Hills Drive and West of Broadway Road.

Uh that park and facility was approved by as well.

So that's on the thing.

That's yeah.

So the UDC that worked against five years birthday and what I call it.

Is there a five-year review that goes along with it where items like this could be noted and have a car?

What's that process look like?

Yeah, I and cables.

Um I would say for starters, we have yearly reviews on it, um, making minor tweaks and revisions to it.

But if the planet commission would like us to explore something a little further, um, that's something we would be willing to do.

Um, I would note uh wireless television tele telecommunication towers are a little bit more difficult.

And I don't know necessarily if the planning staff has the expertise to really dive into that.

Um and I think you know, going back to the application today, it was a rather unique scenario.

Um, and you know, that's the first one that you've seen.

So generally speaking, our our criteria and our um standards work fairly well.

Um, but there is you know those one-offs here and there.

But if the plant commission is is looking for us to export, that's something we'd be willing to do.

I mean, I'd say there's areas throughout Rochester that have these dead spots.

I think the one that was most pressing about the the one today was in regards to the school right there and and calls being dropped at that school.

Um, but you know, as is with any um wireless tower, you're gonna have dead spots throughout throughout the city, not getting them feel off the top of my head.

Serving after 11 other people.

And I just think it, you know, unless we start seeing more and more.

I think we can probably staff probably have better technically to look at cell phone tower heights because technology could change in five years too.

So I think I think so too.

It needs to be back to us with both items and questions.

Unfortunately, it was pointing out that anywhere else, or at least same mic as a water tower.

Well, they're not top loading, just they have a little topic.

They're on top of the water tower.

I would say from an urban design perspective, uh, you know, a water tower, the service it's providing compared to a wireless telecommunication telecommunication tower is a little bit different in that regard.

Um, but I think going back to to the placement of them on water towers, we probably see a handful of them a year, um, whether they're you know upgrading cabinets or whatnot.

Um I just think that this is a very unique case, and I think you know, there's intentionality behind the the height of 105 feet at its most compared to a 200 foot pole.

Make a booster, yeah.

So that's from what I've been that's what I've been taught about repeaters versus towers.

And also, I think I'm gonna make are we that we talk about towers.

I have a question for all of us as staff.

On August 27th, the JSB people asked for an increase in their lot on the north side of town as well.

Is that something we should be?

I mean, we're looking at three and a half months, they have to redo it again, you know, for their south when they should probably for like trying to do this every day.

They have one at another one.

Are they gonna be like, hey, you guys knew better?

You would do it if you've done it twice down.

I was thinking safely, but yeah, either written down August 27 like from 11 and 19, it was at West of Cup with the act.

I don't know that we shouldn't, but they added this.

Um I'm interested if I can answer that question first.

Um I think they were kind of running them somewhat concurrently.

I think just the one on the northwest side moves a little quicker compared to the one that they're um looking to build at crossroads.

Um, but I think you know, the UDC, you know, it's five years to Commissioner Kroll's comment there, which is still relatively it's kind of a baby in in terms of planning.

Um so we're still attempting to refine it and um gathering data on it and the the maximum and minimum parkings are um a part of the conversation that we hear from the from the development community of you know where may or may not tweaks need to be made.

Um so I think these TDM plans are a good way for us to collect this data to really understand, you know, from the the private side, you know, what is feasible to make a project work?

I I don't think so, no.

That's something that we don't tweaks to language already on the UDC, and I know that was the intention of that was to make it more of a living document versus something that's dated place for you.

I I don't think so now that's something that I know we know we've made tweaks to language already on the UDC and I know that was the intention of that was to make it more of a a living document versus something that's dated place for an 50 something so um I think I think that's the kind of thing we need to look at as to some of the roadblocks that you know may slow up some development just because real world it's not quite working like we had hoped or intended when we when we created that UDC let's see you within a month what's the next date it's January January's okay so that's it January 14th I think so I think January 14th yeah um all the implementation was like and this motion section uh motion made back on which I second the faculty audit they would say any names everyone have