All right, call the meeting to order and go through roll call.

Mike Schmidt.

Here.

Sarah Stevens.

She told us that she's not able to make it today.

And Dave Pesh is also unable to make it today.

Erin Buckley, present.

Paula Lover Shell.

Present.

Mike Jou.

Ethan Swanson.

And David Olson.

President.

Okay.

Do we have another people for quorum?

One, two.

One, two, five.

Yeah, that's really not coming.

Because it's five by eight.

Okay.

All right.

Then we will move on to an open time period.

We do have some people who have signed up today.

We have three people on the sign-up sheet.

We will give each attendee two minutes, man.

So two or three minutes.

Okay.

So first on the list here is Barry.

Yeah, hi.

I was square but upset and when I read the agenda first, they left my neighbor because you have a speaker and the last meeting.

So I was hoping to manage the minutes of the last meeting to include my name with somebody who did speaking during the meeting.

All wanted board committee of the uh moving violations of line on the side.

They all brought it up.

I think a couple of people in the committee commented on it.

Yet why ignored completely they didn't answer any of that, or maybe the staff investment tool, but whatever it is.

Once again, try for five years to get the city police and the line to enforce the state and city laws.

That's to clearly say that line scooters are not allowed on the sidewalk unless they're leaving directly from a parking squad.

They're not allowed to do a city and state law.

And after repeated requests, it's almost like a mount phase of walk with this feedback as well.

I would say to sort of to sort of do that.

I strongly believe that to get the community should ask one how many times was the summons given out in the last two or three years.

What are then how many times the warnings given out for people who are violating the work?

And especially bad in the downtown district with a lot of people.

I've spoken to old people like in Charterhouse and other places, and they're saying that they feel uncomfortable there, and it's not right for that people.

I would say this is put in harm's way by people who are writing weaving in and out of the moment on the sidewalk.

It's irresponsible, and it and the city should not ignore it totally.

Well, not even for a lot, just a little bit of warnings here or there.

It's not a lot.

I also think as far as my thing goes, uh I I agree with most of that.

I do think that they should see what happens in the winter time because there's nothing in there about winter activities.

And I also think that um that that there should be something in there to give the crop owners the ability to rehab their building to hold it over to single little here.

They need the knowledge and they need the funds to be able to rehab the building.

Yes, absolutely.

Um John Besan.

Uh I will stand out so you can go next.

Thank you.

Um, I also spoke at last in this meeting and appreciated the discussion that was had.

I thought some very intelligent questions um were brought up by the advisory committee towards line, um, which kind of brings up why I'm here tonight.

Um, Barry brought it to my attention that Line had submitted their follow-up information and I looked through it.

And I uh did agree with him that it seemed pretty light uh based on the amount of discussion that was had and the critical questions that were brought up.

Um it seems like the information we're doing back is almost like something put on a website for users as opposed to you know technical, really data-driven information for INEC and you guys are almost the hypers, the employer because you know you inform the council who then grants the contract.

Um so I was hoping that just to get your guys' support to continue pushing.

Yeah, um ask critical questions, get some detailed feedback as um since it's such a data or a tech-driven company.

site for users as opposed to you know technical really data driven information for INEC and you guys almost the hypers the employer because you know you inform the council who then grants the contract um so I was hoping that just to give you guys the support to continue clicking yeah um ask critical questions get some detailed feedback is um since it's such a data or a tech driven company I just can't imagine their data isn't any better than this um specifically on the you know mine connects residents across the city i mean it just shows that it's used throughout the city not necessarily that people aren't just writing in their neighborhood and this person's writing in their neighborhood that they're actually using it to connect I would like to see that data um is there the capture the one page handout um this is a little more clear that you can't end your trip until you respond to the message but the one page handout does look like you might be reminded if it's uh not deemed a proper parking spot but it didn't say anything about like and then what um this is a little bit more specific and then my uh last concern was just the reported incidents um it doesn't share anything about how these reported or what efforts they took to identify reports um I don't know if mine was in here it would be considered minor or moderate I mean in my life I thought it was severe having three bones broken care of is it surgery um impact my ability to perform as a mother three months of unemployment a police officer my husband was not able to work for the city because he had to say we take care of me and my children you know pretty big purple effect so um just want to encourage you guys to be taking it seriously and um I find this a little bit of a poor excuse to response to the question to us so hopefully he brought it on this thank you back at what um both of uh these citizens have said um I would recommend that this uh this commission uh makes direct uh recommendations to the council uh if one were to ask me uh how do we uh have uh more of a vibrancy and activity uh in downtown Rochester the first thing that comes to my mind would be uh safe use of anything now we're talking about lime scooters so I would say safe use of the white scooters um I think that this entity if they want to represent themselves as um an entity that uh uh wants to be proactive then they need to go through a leap of faith and suggest what they're going to do relative to uh underage people riding them i mean I see I see adults uh renting it uh giving them to the children uh on underage people sometimes people two of them on it um still see uh continued use uh uh on the sidewalks which is not an enhancement for anybody that that we all feed off whether remind everybody that a million a half people come here from the clinic and that's who the majority of us feed off so they have to walk the talk otherwise I don't think they should be invited back at all and I would be the first to speak out against it they they need to show good faith a leap of faith and along with the points that you had brought up we need to see uh a more of a statistical statistical analysis of um the follow-through um which I don't think that we have seen yet today um I've been trying to catch for what it's worth um a fellow that I and I don't know what to say other than I believe that I think he's a homeless person with an electric e-bike a smaller one and I can't recognize them um for the third time uh um uh he's very active I'm not gonna say anything to him anymore uh he's very active on on the sidewalk in front of my business and when he is there I don't know if he's going 20 miles an hour 25 miles an hour does the stop at the alley or whatever and um uh this last time I I I've already gotten hit I don't know what would have happened I'm sure it would have had broken ribs and and so forth but thank you John okay uh and I don't know how we react to that what we're supposed to do it happen so fast the first time I said uh by what right time you're gonna he said fuck you you know you don't know who I am thank you all right moving on to the agenda for today uh the agenda is the consent agenda for the minutes from March 9th of 2026 and consent agenda with the line update with the follow-up items from March 9th that we have requested that is our consent agenda our new business is uh 68 with the council of initiative action of connectivity gap prioritization framework and then we have two informational items today with the downtown commercial district district vision plan presentation and may open a construction transportation update that's the okay to bring up something sure or I was just wondering when does when

That is our consent agenda.

Our new business is uh 68 with the council of initiative action of connectivity gap prioritization framework.

And then we have two informational items today with the downtown commercial district district vision plan presentation and may open a construction transportation update.

Is it okay to bring up something?

Sure.

I was just wondering when does when do you buying people come back?

And I don't talk to us about you know some issues that we have and questions we have, and it seems like there's maybe a lot of them out there.

I don't think we have a date for them to come back to us, if I'm not mistaken, that I don't believe we have another or if they're coming.

We requested it.

We're in a contract for another two, three years.

So 2029, yeah, three years.

And we don't have uh we don't have an invitation back at this time.

Um wonder if we should at some point.

I don't know.

This question I put an out there.

So that is that's for us to decide, right?

Yeah, I think I would too like when I don't know when or how soon, but it seems like uh it's a little wild about their none of personally witnessing stuff, but it's involved the lines and just I guess point of order.

I mean, I think for the should we just say we're gonna pull the two items from consent agenda for discussion?

Is that we can?

Okay, I would make that motion.

Okay.

And what does that mean, Tony?

Then we would pull the consent agenda where we talk a little bit about the meeting minutes from last for March, and then we also talk about the line uptake.

Oh just for I mean briefly here.

I mean, we I think for both items have discussion to be had.

So I made the motion if anybody else would like to second that executive.

Okay, so motion by Aaron to pull the consent agenda item.

Uh 4A and 4B seconded by Mike Zhu.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed say nay.

Motion passes.

All right.

So we still need to now.

So back to setting the agenda.

Yeah, yeah.

So now that we have uh we have, I would say new business.

Well, we have the minutes and 4B.

So 4A and 4B and the Council initiative action of 6A.

Um so we'll put 4A and 4B into new business.

I would prefer that we have it after 6A since that is um on our regular agenda.

Uh, but I'll leave it up to what you all um still need a motion to approve those agenda items as well.

Uh if we do the for uh the only issue with me and it's um adding variants and secrets okay.

Yes, so is there a motion on motion?

Okay, all second.

Okay, motion by Mike, seconded by uh Ethan.

All in favor say aye.

All opposed say may.

All right.

Um I think we've just do I think we have agreed on the way we're going to like lay out the agenda, but I think we get a formal.

I will make the motion that we set the agenda for the April 13th, 2026 meeting.

All right, there's a motion on the floor by Aaron.

Is there a second?

All right.

I don't favor say aye.

All right, I'll oppose saying may.

All right, motion passes.

All right.

So again, I think the the minutes has been taken care of.

And we're we will just that we would submit that uh Barry was also a speaker at the margin game.

Absolutely.

Yes.

Okay.

And then I think it's 6A now.

It is 6A now.

Yep.

So I'll turn over Matthew 68.

Thank you.

Yep.

I just said the agenda.

I don't want to redo that.

Yeah, we can.

Okay.

Yeah, you can stop sharing ceremony.

Okay.

All right.

Uh so good evening, everyone.

My name is Matt Lynch.

My title is mode shift coordinator, and I am sharing item 6A tonight, which is uh from it's an item coming to PVAC, the national vice provider committee because council initiated an action asking for staff to refine the city's disconnected parcel and sidewalk, as well as the shared use path gap analysis.

And I am sharing item 6A tonight, which is uh from it's an item coming to PVAC, the pedestrian bicycle advisor committee because council initiated an action asking for staff to refine the city's disconnected parcel and sidewalk, as well as the share use path gap analysis.

And the intent is to move beyond a simple map where gaps exist toward a more sophisticated framework that does help identify which gaps matter most for access, safety, and future investment.

And so the original action references street classification and population density and access to key destinations.

And as staff and community development, GIS and public works have already discussed this request.

It became clear that it may be valuable for a broader framework that reflects Rochester's adopted plans and the kinds of barriers that people experience in real life.

And so tonight we're not asking for PBAC to review a scoring matrix, nor to find GIS thresholds or finalize methodology details.

Rather, we're asking for feedback on the broader framework staff should use to think about which connectivity gaps matter most.

And so staff will use PBAC's feedback from this evening to refine the framework and then determine what a subset of that criteria that we'll discuss later and realistically be translated into an initial in-house GIS model using the data, the staff time and technical capacity that we currently have available.

So the draft criteria, which I will come back to this slide so you don't need to memorize it to discuss later, but I'll just share that the draft criteria are organized to reflect both public benefit and implementation context.

Does it improve access to key destinations, which are defined here in a list that we'll discuss in a little bit?

Does it address a meaningful safety barrier?

And does it improve access for residents with fewer transportation options?

Does it support transit access?

Does it align with adopted land use and growth patterns and plans?

And is it likely to be usable year-round?

So there are also some implementation related considerations that we want to make, such as the feasibility and the readiness, uh as well as the street jurisdiction.

So one thing I do want to note clearly is that while we staff are able to identify a smaller subset of criteria that may be feasible to analyze through an initial GIS model.

Uh and GIS, I should uh define that.

I think it is geographic information systems to program the system we use in cities, cities do across country for modeling or mapping different types of uh visual representations of data.

So some of the broader criteria are very important, but they're harder to translate into a measurable GIS input with the resources capacity and the data that's currently available to staff.

So in particular, I want to bring your attention to the strategic connectivity context and the year-round operations context.

Well, those are both important.

So by strategic connectivity context, we mean whether a map completes or material materially strengthens a larger network connection in a way that may not be fully captured in available GIS layers.

And by year-round operations context, we mean issues like snow operations, drainage, maintenance conflicts, and other real-world usability conditions that may affect whether a connection truly works in practice, even if a map suggests it's connected, if it's covered in the sheet of ice because of uh drainage or something for several months of the year, is it truly connected?

Can we consider it that?

So for PBAC, the question is less about whether every criterion can be scored today.

Rather, it's more about whether these are the right factors staff should be considering as this framework evolves.

So with that, I do want to um clarify the main thing that we're hoping for from PVAC tonight is policy and experience-based feedback.

So we've especially appreciate input on whether the right criteria are included in the past slide that I'll go back to and whether anything is any anything important is missing and which criteria should matter most if we have to come to a point of trade-offs for like what may not work if we have two criterion at two criteria at once.

Um we'd also appreciate input on the destination list or the places that we list that matter most in daily life are actually what matter most in daily life, and are there destinations or activity types that we are overlooking.

Another important area is whether there are real world barriers that may not show up well in GIS data, for example, are there places that look connected on a map but do not feel safe, comfortable, or practical in use?

And that's especially especially relevant when thinking about strategic connectivity and year-round operations, for example.

So we're also interested in whether PDAC thinks implementation related factors like feasibility and jurisdiction are being treated appropriately.

In other words, should they help delivery uh strategy without reducing the public value of a needed connection?

And finally, we welcome examples.

If there are gaps or locations in Rochester that this framework should clearly elevate, that kind of gravity feedback will help staff refine the framework in a more practical way.

So again, tonight's goal is to make sure staff are asking the right questions before we uh dive deeper into the methodology.

And so your feedback will help us refine that product framework list, uh product provider framework first, and then we'll determine what parts of the framework can realistically be modeled in-house and what parts may need to remain uh in a narrative staff review, or perhaps with additional uh resources dedicated to it that's not currently in city staff.

So I give it a bit of background context for where the council initiated action came from, what we're hoping to achieve in tonight's uh discussion.

And with that, I'd like to simply ask the group if you might be willing to share feedback on the draft criteria, which are up on the screen.

Um, there was a pre-read as well that I hope was helpful and guiding some of the conversation we'll have this evening.

So open discussion.

Yeah, absolutely.

Sorry, yeah.

Um like key destinations, I I looked through those and just a few things I was thinking about.

Places that are popular to go, I didn't even know how to phrase that.

But you know, for the restaurant you like to go to or something.

Well, that doesn't really seem to be there.

I mean, a lot of them are here at grocery store, but if they're not, you know.

Um Ethan, I want to thank you for that.

And I want to clarify activity centers, probably it's a very broad definition.

It may be planning jargon, but I wanted to define that for your activity center, is those destinations, places people want to go for activities.

So, like fair ground would not do uh general area, sure.

Yes.

Restaurants, bars, the shopping district across the street if I was thinking of, yes.

Yeah, as examples as a of activity centers, yes, Ethan.

Okay.

Yeah, because like they're just something else too.

No, because it once you say activity centers would be pretty broad category that kind of takes care of a lot of noise.

So when you say popular, that's going to be quantifiably different, like where are many destinations?

Uh, where is a destination for many people to go to?

Yeah.

So sometimes the path will get too close, and then we gotta cross a busy road or go through a parking lot or three.

Um one of the safety ones I didn't see was uh night lighting.

Uh I think of that one because my wife always tells me about along the river self-development hills.

Um it's pitch dark there because you don't get any light coming from elsewhere.

And if you're a female, that's uh we feel very vulnerable when you're biking home from the night shift.

So I'm hearing lighting, but uh is it was I think isolation too?

Well, it's mostly the light.

You know, if you're isolated but you can see what's happening, it's a little different than if you're just in, you know, if you're out there and you know you got to do a little headlight, you know, on anybody along the path.

You don't see them if they're wearing dark clothes or not moving.

Okay, thank you.

Um I appreciate all of the the pre-work and what's up on the screen and um I would say we would have like do this, not that.

Like it's hard to for me to like conceptualize like, oh, I should be providing this type of feedback or that type of feedback per se.

But the things I would want to get across is that um really if we could if the city could continue to use PAC as a sounding board for as you get this further developed, as you work with the GIS folks, I think we'd love to contribute ideas.

Um, not to say that we're necessarily owning the process, but just that we are, I think that sounding board and and group that would love to sort of be along for the ride.

And hopefully this is just not the only time that we see this.

And then I would also say more globally, I think that there are a lot of wonderful people in the city of Rochester that would love to give some feedback.

And so I think some digital spatial tool, like Doogle Maps, where you could draw pins and provide some feedback to say, hey, I walk here, I roll here, I get on the bus here, whatever that may be that people could put in.

Here's my comment, maybe here's a photo of the concern as a way to identify very discrete concerns.

And then secondly, I would also say building a network is really what we need.

And so I would say thinking about downtown, for example, we're kind of getting at that with a future with center street or cycle track, 6th Avenue, Fourth Street, and then potentially First Avenue.

Um kind of doing a nice box around downtown.

And I think that's really where we start to unlock the power of being able to reasonably ride a bicycle or commute around town on foot or rolling in some fashion.

And so I think being able to provide that to pee back to the city at large to say, hey, we've identified in the active transportation plan, we've got these 10 projects that we think are critical.

It'd be really nice to put a time value and a budget value to those so that community at large can kind of expect that, hey, this year we're going to do these three things, next year we're going to do these three things, and that hopefully adjacent businesses and the community can rally around those new connections or those near pieces of whatever trail, cycle track, um, connectivity that are coming in.

And then finally, I would focus the energies on where we have the highest number of potential users.

So probably somebody that's focused like focusing this effort around downtown, around schools, around places where the investment has the highest impact of the most number of people.

I totally appreciate like, hey, the very edge of town, we could put in this one little connection.

But I think being mindful of like that's gonna serve three people rather than 300 people is also a consideration I think we should have.

So I don't know how we factor that into what's up on the screen, but that's those are thoughts that once we might have uh what you're just I I hear about the highest unto or tapping the highest number of potential users.

There's a latent demand that exists only if the system feels comfortable and safe for people walking, rolling or cycling down gate.

And if you build that certain uh environment, it's expected that they will use the facility as it's designed.

Um the city is working on uh procuring systems data sets for modeling that might be able to give us a clearer uh view on what that potential user impact might be if those facilities are made.

So I hear you and I jotted that down because I also don't see that represented yet, but thanks for that feedback.

Yeah, I think it I mean it is to some degree going out on a ledge.

I mean, I think we can study existing trails.

I know there's a lot of um counters that are going in, so we can start to capture real data around people getting around Rochester, but it is a little bit of like a leap of faith, or really shouldn't be, but it feels like that to some that we would go put in some of this infrastructure.

However, I mean we can look at countless communities around the world that um you've built a network, and really like one little chunk of one mile of trail doesn't do much, but when you actually start to build a network that's connected, that's when you start to get like some real power to this thing.

And so I think we're just in that phase right now where we've got a nice group of trails associated with our waterways a lot of times, and some recreational trails around town that people use for utility, and we now really need to start getting onto our city streets and putting some infrastructure that makes it more viable and more equitable for people to get away, get around in different ways.

So thank you.

Um with access to transportation, just one thing I see creep up all the time, like on Elton Hills, there's a bus.

If you're getting on in the morning, it's on one side, but then on the afternoon it's on the other side.

So your population always has to kind of play progress because there's not a stoplight or really a safe place to cross at those a lot of those bus stops.

And it might be that the transit support or access to transit might be represented up here with the difficult crossings, how to address that safety.

Yeah.

You have to up there.

I'm seeing it might be represented in a different category, but related up, obviously.

Mike, can you come in?

All right.

Um, this is all about filling in gaps, but is there any consideration that parts of a trail are somewhat deteriorated, they now represent kind of a gap.

Uh we are quite studying pavement for facility condition for other projects that can be possibly related here.

Um, but yeah, I hear you can that might it might be under this more general maintenance category, but I can be more specific about payment condition or surface condition.

Um be more specific.

Got it.

On that year-round operations of snow and drainage.

Is that I'm just wondering, is that something like when they're doing the cleaning and they see it, they can mark it and then it could become something that's on a map or a GIS layer or not.

If you're trying to get it to a map.

Uh that's one of those, so there are asterisks behind each of those.

Yeah, those might need to be staff narrative because I I understood that.

I just didn't know if it had been thought of as a way to like, oh, here, you know, if they're cleaning the sidewalks, hey, there's a big puddle here where it has the grain, you know, could they report that so you can get it to the point where it's more of a GIS than a narrative.

Would that be helpful or does it not matter?

That would be helpful because we're probably gonna have to figure out how to gather that data eventually.

It could be anecdotal, it could be through three one different uh ways to manage or receive those types, that type of feedback.

Paula, yeah.

Um so I yeah, I appreciate the opportunity when on these prioritization criteria.

Um one thing I would like to emphasize as this work goes forward is uh a few meetings ago, I don't recall how long ago we heard from um the coordinator of the safe routes to school, safe rights to school um program with Rochester Public Schools, uh describing the work to help um you know kids K through 12 find navigate uh safe walking, rolling routes to school, and to keep in mind the um limitations um to busing to schools.

Um I would like to see like those um uh mileage um like the the students who don't have busing to schools because they live within 1.5 miles, two miles of the school and therefore aren't offered busing.

I would like to see those areas really prioritized.

When Deirdre came and spoke, she said, like, you know, there is a middle school where there is a long corridor where students don't have busing and there is not a safe route to school.

There's not a sidewalk, there's not a way for them to go to access the school, but they you know that they don't have parents that can bring them to school, they they need to get there.

Um but that core that network wasn't um or that route wasn't approved for the sidewalk gap funding because it was too expensive.

But that to me seems like okay, a clear area where there's a there's an obvious need.

Um so having more of that like more priority for the routes to school where students aren't provided busing options.

I would like to see.

I think that's an area review because uh there may not be no resources or in for it may not be we may not be capable of capturing the data for for that particular um topic.

I think one thing I might be wondering, but is that assuming we're trying to like capture connectivity across the entire city?

Um I guess I'm trying to say here is like for something like this, maybe we shouldn't like let Burbank be in a new good where if it is for example feasible for the city to capture on GIS um network connectivity within like around the downtown area or around an area where we you know like where there is like a peace holding we have the resources to do it.

I think something like that would be quite valuable and you know moving it kind of out of kind of a broad narrative to do more into like can we get something concrete?

Um similar sort of what Paul was saying here.

Um when I look at the access to key destinations, um is it a list of just a lot of different things or is there sort of an implicit prioritization in that list?

Like are we prioritizing access to schools over parks over you know groceries?

You know, is there a set of services, like other tiers of services that we prioritize over others as far as um accessibility?

Thanks, Mike.

Um I heard you on your uh feedback about possibly finding more concrete connectivity metric, especially in a focused area like downtown, and then the priorization between that destinations isn't actually quite comparative because we'd rather look at perhaps the quantity of those desirable locations because you may not live in one area that has everything.

But but if there were three nearby, what if there were only two?

What if there were one?

How do we kind of use the quantity near those or near the bunch of the other destinations that we'd be studying?

That's how we're starting to think about it.

So I dove into the score part a little bit, but want to address your question specifically.

Yeah, and I think the first one it's more I I guess my point is more like if we can find a if there's like a threshold where we can say for I mean I don't know details of this public, a certain range from this like downtown or that there's a third part of the city where we think we can physically with the city's resources have everything on GINS, like have all that mapped out.

Um we can kind of like split it into into two and say remove some of those goals or similar there, I think with like maybe some of the like year round comments, like year-on operations.

If it's the whole city is unfeasible, but like 50% as an example like from downtown is I think it's it would be good to be able to like maybe do that as a as part of the first phase or something.

Thanks, Mike.

Okay.

I'll bring it back to the team.

Ethan, did you have something else?

Oh just um, there's not there's almost more a comment on that line thing because I noticed a lot of the places those were used were low-income neighborhoods.

Um, and I didn't know when you're trying to decide how many people could potentially get somewhere with something.

Is that is that helpful, you know, to be aware of no, here's a bunch of users, but maybe they don't have access to the network very easily, the main network of trails.

Thanks.

Okay, it was almost uh just blatantly obvious how much you'd see these pockets, and then you go to Stroud, and there's almost enough in there.

Okay, thank you.

Considering some of the data sources we have access to.

Yeah, so we yeah, okay.

Yeah, anything else, Jerry?

Is there is there something you really want from us, like which things we think are most important, or like how we should rate things, or I think that's what you're trying to get away from, right?

Yeah, not the specific uh rating scales, but perhaps like are there known anecdotal issues?

Okay, like the the example you have about the trail gap with no lining that should be like how does that particular gap safety quality criteria get elevated?

Okay, using that as an example to help so if you have those types of things that would help bring those target, that'd be great.

And also too, I if there's more that trickles along about what you're thinking, please feel free to reach back out.

Yeah, I'm the last comment that Ethan brought up.

I thought about the different resources that we have to track data, right?

And I don't know that I feel like Strava might be a biased sort of thing.

I think that just reversible demonstrated it, I think.

Yeah, I mean, you know, you you you basically have to have some kind of you know, probably expensive device to track your movement and granted some cell phones have the access to do that, right?

But I don't imagine people who are trying to get through that last mile connectivity from you know home to wherever their their residence is, they're gonna turn on the market, you know, in the activity tracking system.

So but nonetheless, I still think that there is data, you know, in in that that's just publicly available.

Say, like, here's the most densely used parts of our community, whether it's for recreation or whether it's for last mile movement or whatever, right?

I think that we need to maybe think outside the box what we're doing for getting data at this point as well.

So we wouldn't want to limit any data source because data strata metro is still a uh useful data source, it's directional in nature and we've used it for that purpose of identifying desired routes in the network, but we all acknowledge that there are more data sources out there that we have access to.

So what might how that might inform this analysis is very helpful, helpful.

So thank you for bringing that to back up even like my final comment, just because I'm a lot of other stuff tonight.

Just um, could you bring this to either next month or just like a meeting in the not too distant future, just kind of what just absorbing everything from tonight?

And then secondly, if you already engage with the GIS team, could they review um whether if they want to build something awesome, if they want to grab something off the shelf?

Um just some mechanism again that's like spatial that you could get community feedback in if it's 311 and everybody just throws stuff in there, then they can produce a map from that of like here's a photo, here's a concern, here's something.

I think that would be really helpful if we started to crowdsource that information so that PBAC and others can look at it in more in a macro view and say, hey, looks like everybody's really struggling with like curb cutouts for like crossings or something, or everybody like just start to see those trends in a different way that's not like I put on my fitness tracker and I'm running around town.

Like it just that's not as in my mind as valuable as like a direct, hey, I agree.

This trail is flooded out and the pavement's garbage.

And we might have that feedback from 2022 when the active transportation plan engagement occurred, which again data from 2022, but that might still be where we're at.

I'm guessing a few of those things are still they might still heard that there's an opportunity for community engagement or use of existing.

I think for the last one to land use both alignment, right?

Seems like such a huge area, so much going on there, and I wonder how that all will you know, align up and uh with uh what the priorities are the things that go into all that how that all is gonna work out seems like a huge thing.

That's my comment.

Anyone else?

This has been helpful.

Thanks everyone.

Yeah, so 4B now.

Yes.

Okay.

So we are to the 4B, which is the line update follow-up items from the March 9th meeting.

Um Ethan, did no?

Did you pull this?

I okay.

I think the only thing I'm gonna get across, like I want to be mindful of the public comment that we had had.

I don't think I want to drag out this item any more than we need to.

It's just more about how do we actually get something more substantial from Lyme about like things that they're doing, as well as like more teeth in the program and the process, so that people are like I appreciate that they're business and they're coming in and they are helping provide mobility to some number of individuals in our community, but like how can we have them be a better community partner and just it feel like more investment than like two people that were just on a Zoom call with us that kind of ignored all of the concerns.

Well, I know I think one of the things that we talked about last year, and kind of again this year is do we have a quarterly update from them, right?

I mean, when they were when they were in that Zoom call, they said any time you want to meet, we're happy to do that.

Here's our people, like let's make this happen.

So I think if we have specific questions, pointed questions asking for specific data, we can we can ask for those things, and we can say we would like a quarterly update, and and I have a feeling they will say, of course, like that they they know they're invested with us and they need to have a good communication and relationship with us, right?

And so I think we are we as POC are the people who are driving that relationship, and we've heard you know from from many of the citizens that are in this community that it's not amazing right now, as far as you know the reality of how they're being used and whether or not they're being used lawfully, right?

All of those things are I think things that we have to address and we should address, right?

And I would say my yes and would be I think yes, we should have them in on a quarterly basis.

So I don't know if SAP could help us with encouraging lines to be here on a quarterly basis.

That would be uh thing number one.

Thing number two would just be what are the teeth behind anything that we are asking from them uh to say, like, hey, no, sorry, you can only operate at 75% now, right?

Like, I don't know what the teeth are to say you need to come be more invested in the community and hold people to account that like you can't just leave this like out across a trail and you crash your bike and you break a bunch of bones and like things like that where I mean stuff happens, but like to have this volume of stuff happening, I think is not reasonable.

And Matt, I guess I'll turn it over to you to ask the question to you.

You know, we have a contract with them through what did you say 2029?

Is there any clauses in that contract to say like if criteria is not met, or you know, like I have not read the contract and I don't know much about it, but there's is there anything in there we can say like hey, you know, we as a city have the ability to pull back a little bit and again not allow you to deploy X number of scooters because you we're we're having complications in specific areas more than likely downtown, right?

So maybe the question for staff to go back then and I will have to confer with some teammates that currently manage the program and I will be able to share that request for routine engagement with Lyme as a vendor, and also review of the contract and options of what we can do to ensure there's action action from the feedback reading from the community.

Um motion to ask line to come back to the June meeting and update us on how Lib Dunn were handling safety issues and parking issues before because all a few months of data or not.

Well, that's I will second that.

Okay.

Uh that's open for discussion.

They come back in May or today.

They would come back today.

Oh, they're when did they like still the series?

The devices came back today.

But the device is they were deployed today.

I guess wonder if June is soon.

Do we have a draw line meeting?

We do not.

At this time, that is always an option for you and I guess it's policy.

It's not so much like if they don't have to collect data discovery, what policies are they taking?

Okay, I was wondering.

I mean that's the motion, you know.

Friendly amendments are all so getting I would like to add a friendlier amendment that the um request for like safety data be um like be broken down um into more detail because in our report here we have you know quote 10 minor alleged incidents and four moderate alleged incidents.

Um is pretty vague information.

Like, how are they defining notes?

Um, we know that there are more anecdotal incidents.

Um how are uh so my friendly my friendly amendment is um to ask for more specific data regarding how are you defining an uh a minor incident?

Are you defining a moderate incident?

Um where is this information coming from to add more specificity to like this being?

Okay, um the class so there's a motion for motion Paula has made the motion for us to have more specific data coming from line based on how they break down the criteria of small medium or I guess minor medium and major incidents along with data.

What was the last part?

I would just say uh asking for that specific.

Um how are you just how are you collecting?

And where is it coming from?

And where is that?

Where are those reports coming from?

Yes.

Is there a second?

Okay.

Open for discussion.

All right.

All neighbors say aye.

All of us say night.

All right, so we're back to the original motion of asking the line to come back at the future meeting.

Do we have June?

I think it was what was with it in June.

Okay.

June, yeah.

And is there any is there any additional information we want to request other than the amendment that Paula has been uh they mentioned like the they gave the start and end, but it mentioned it'd be helpful to know where they're going.

Um is there a way to show paths that are being used in addition to I mean, like a heat?

Because the start and end are basically the same map.

Yeah, or just yeah, I don't know how you that would look as a heat map or what, but I think trip routing data is probably a better term than heat map.

Okay, I think like they get figured out of there or just for clarification, you're asking to know the routes being taken.

Well, so the request made um like in Patterson was just how many of these trips are just staying in some neighborhood, i.e.

are these useful trips being taken.

I think is what they were she was going for.

So trip purpose is what I'm hearing.

Yeah, or you don't are you looking for origin and destination, like scooter was picked up at point A and taken to point B and a whole bunch of those on a map.

Because I think I think what we may benefit from is like more than a heat map of just like a lot of people use them in downtown.

Yeah, so it doesn't really help us.

But if you actually got discrete, like, hey, I know the origin and get some origin destination mapping, and like that I think is maybe more useful.

Like everybody at the elementary school rides line scooters, what's the deal?

I mean great, or a lot of these one from this neighborhood have over to target, and that's what they mostly use it for.

And we're I guess what are you looking to use that data for?

I think it would it would tell us whether it is actually a useful transportation tool, or if it's like what is the proportion of it being used to get the point at point B versus to write recreationally images like end up in the like recreational ride will show that like the starting end for a trip is about in the same location, and then using it for transport it would be the start and end or I don't know, like a mile or two apart.

But we have it again, but like what are what are we if we have that data?

What is our what is our what is the goal of getting that data from L if we knew everyone in the community with joy riding versus using them for utility, then that I mean tells us something.

So what do we what do we do with that data?

That's what I've that's another thing.

So so we have a contract then through 2029, right?

Like we if we're asking for this data, I feel like we have to have a reason or something we're going to do with said data.

If I buy my bike, um I don't know how to line, and uh I think that everyone should obey the rules, age, safety, reporting, accident data, whatever line sets up, that should all be you know, really a pretty tight system, but I don't want people tracking where I ride my bike.

And is the same as line?

I don't know, but I just think like I just take off and ride my bike, and I might go on the bike path past fine wood and go downtown, and maybe I'll stay downtown and you know, and then maybe I won't uh the library or whatever, and do we want to collect all that kind of data with uh the line use?

Is that what is that get will it be useful to us?

So uh I I feel like this it requests initially um for the start and end location data initially came because there is a large perception that in the community that most people who are riding line scooters are recreational are joy riding, like um, and that there isn't a like a um transit need being served by one, but that the scooters are scooters are generally sort of being abused by people um by riders in the community.

So I think that more specific data showing um like where trips are going.

Um if you know it if that data counters the joy riding narrative, that's useful information for like us to be able to, you know, a request from Lyme and then um be able to share with the community, like the post bulletin's most recent article about um the Lyme report was like pretty focused, you know, in my memory was pretty focused on the the concerns of um residents that line scooters are mostly like unsafe and that um there's not enough being done to address the joy riding.

So I feel like this could be joy riding, so there's anything wrong with that, but um to show that they do serve a function for getting people around where they need to go.

was pretty focused on the the concerns of um residents that line scooters are mostly like unsafe and that um there's not enough being done to address the joy riding so i feel like this could be joy riding there's anything wrong with that but um to show that they do serve a a function for getting people around where they need to go i i agree with you but having like without that data we you know the committee or um people in the community can't say like this is how people are utilizing this for central transit means or not thinking like joy running and recreation is like in isolation the no problem with it but there is a cost that people are bringing about the discussion to Lyme and so like you know there are safety concerns it's causing it's blocked and sidewalks and so the question is you know is Lyme serving does Lyme have like an important utility to the city or is it primarily recreational like it's primarily recreational and it's causing injuries is it worth it to continue the contract if it is serving an important transit need you know then perhaps if it's worth it to continue the contract it's just that we don't we don't it's we can't make this like we don't have the decision sorry we don't have the information to really have an educator decision on this at the moment because we don't really know how the lines are being used.

Yeah I understand I I think we're I think we're going down a radical of inferring that joy riding is leading to the uh causing of all of the issues uh that it could be that somebody's riding inappropriately in transit between two locations right I mean we don't I I feel like I think we're kind of going down a lane game that we don't have any insight into but it's perceived that these things are being done out of maliciousness or lack of care for safety and I'm not sure we have that data.

I would push back on like I wouldn't say I would simply say that even if you assume that people who are joyriding and again using it for kind of a like an central transit need if this is the same proportion of people who are leaving them parked on sidewalk etc I even if you assume that like sorry I'm not gonna assume that people dry riding are causing these issues but it's it's to say let's say like 90% of line rides are recreational and people are leaving them on sidewalks I think that is a different situation from 90% are you know to go to school or to go shopping and people are leaving them on sidewalks.

I think in the second scenario there's more benefit as the same cost as far as like public safety and it just makes it allows us to kind of wait on get running I guess it was this motion I made there is a motion on the table well I guess I I'm kind of withdrawing my part to this because it's just now I think about it there's probably people who take these for very actual you know look anybody would say the good use and they're still riding on sidewalks and doing stuff because that's the network they have to ride on um so I guess I yeah I don't see I guess I see less point then get getting that data when I think about it that way okay um is there an amendment or no Robert can we vote on the motion as made by me amended by Paul but your motion still stands in that you want that you want the data for ridership from start and stop level no I would call that okay that's the motion I would yeah I would call that okay just to have them back.

Yeah I just want it back I would I would actually know I would I wouldn't move to have the start stop data on like a like linking a start and stop I think the information I think the data we have right now just like isolated start to stops not useful I just show that people use them in certain parts of time but I like I think I think if we're trying to evaluate like whether this is a transit whether this is like a transit product or like a fun product that happens to injure people I think it's an important it's important for us to know like what the use of this the scooters are okay is that so then you were sending your motion yep then would you like to I would try I would move I would like to make the motions uh for them to provide that the start and stop data for like linking start and stop like linking origins and destinations of routes um so we have a better understanding of how you better kind of infer maybe like what how how lines are using the purposes of these trips um and when they next um we do that okay so there's a motion on the table by Mike on getting start to stop data for routes written by line users um to be brought back at the June meeting is there a second I will say I can all favor is it discussion I had a friendly amendment that we also request the um broken down safety information where that was okay you we've already but that was on the that was on this motion okay there is a friendly there is a friendly amendment for us to have additional data um about the safety of the yeah the the minor moderate severe incidence and where that data comes from and where the data I will second that okay all favor say aye I'll post saying motion guys it's I know also say aye um now we're on to yet now around the mic's uh motion for us to have start and stop data based on um the ridership from now until June when mine comes

I will second that.

Okay.

All favor say aye.

I'll post saving motion guys.

I know.

Now we're on to get now around the mic's uh motion for us to have start and stop data based on the ridership from now until June when MIM comes back to us.

Oh favor say aye.

Aye.

Post ignate.

Motion passes five to one with Ethan voting name.

All right.

Okay, thank you, green patience.

All right, last item up then.

Or second last rather, you're agreed.

Hi.

All right.

I am yeah, absolutely.

Good discussion tonight.

Um I'm Molly Patterson Lundgren, and I'm the community in the community development department.

Um I'm a city planner and here at the City of Rochester, I'm the Heritage Preservation and Urban Design Coordinator.

So I'm working in kind of a couple of different areas um that relate to the work you do.

Tonight I'm gonna talk to you about um a plan that um we've had um completed over the last year, and I want to make you aware of it.

I'm not really asking for you to take any action tonight, although certainly if you have questions or want to make a statement or whatever, you certainly can do that.

But mostly I want to make you aware of it, um, which is why I wanted it to go out in your packet so that you had it, um, and just talk a little bit about how it relates to the work that you do.

Um, so this vision plan started um almost a year ago, and uh there were three months of public engagement, really focused in on the stakeholders of the downtown commercial district.

And I'll give you the definition of map of where that's located in a minute.

Um City Council and Heritage Preservation both have had um uh uh have been briefed on this, have been given presentations on this.

Um, and it came up that maybe you also would be interested in it.

So um bringing it to you tonight for that purpose.

Downtown commercial historic district.

So um the city council adopted this um at the beginning of 2024.

Um I'm gonna talk a little bit about why why we did this, but but mostly gonna talk about the whys in terms of how it relates to the public realm.

Um and um just so you're aware of, and I don't know if you need to kind of get your bearings.

Um does not work on this.

Um at the corner, yeah, corner here.

So um this is the mayoral, you know.

We're over here at the at the government center.

This is Fourth Street, Broadway, kind of six and ziggs a little bit through there.

Um and we look at it for a period of significance between 1870 and 1962, um, really because this was the center of commerce of um uh uh government, um, of institution, institutional life during that time period.

It's what remains of kind of the core of the community of that time period.

Um when we looked at designating the historic district, we um look at ways that we could support the property owners and business owners in that area, um, other stakeholders, including residents who've got residents in that area, um, people who frequent, and we created these kind of eight different areas of support.

Um of these, the the two red uh dotted ovals highlight what the city really is able to do to support the district.

Um the other ones are our city partners, so Rochester Downtown Alliance, um, maybe ready um through economic development.

Um what else?

Yeah, so economic development and sort of other entities who um who are working kind of in these areas that we work with.

Um, but the four areas that really the city focuses on.

Um we have a financial program that provides some assistance to them if they want to do rehab work for the building, um, regulatory, we oversee the um any alterations they want to make with the building.

Um public realm, which is really where we're focused with this plan that I'm gonna talk to you about tonight, and then mobility, and actually we address mobility within this public realm plan.

And then mobility, and actually we address mobility within this public realm plan.

So the historically significant features.

So thinking about what you know, what makes this commercial district different from other districts.

Think about what this area feels like compared to the different malls in town, right?

Strip mall, right?

So you've got rectilinear blocks and lots, and you've got buildings that whose main entrance is right out onto the street, as opposed to something like a strip mall, where you've got the automobiles parked in between the main transit way and the business, right?

So think about that in terms of like what's the character, what's sort of the physical character of this area.

So from a historic preservation standpoint, we say, oh, these are important things to maintain because it gives the historic character to the historic district, but also the things that give it character are also the things that are really directly related to the public realm and quite frankly, the mobility of people going into and through the district.

So in terms of what is the public realm, again, you know, it's it's things like open spaces, sidewalks, um, you know, places where people can gather, park benches, that type of thing, um, little pocket parks, things like lighting and signage that um that sort of helps you orient your way through or provides a safe, um, a safe kind of environment for you with lighting.

And for uh our public realm um and for many kind of historic downtown commercial districts, it's really that sidewalk corridor, right?

So when in terms of people experiencing the historic district and having that sense of being in a kind of a historic place, it's really about being in that sidewalk area, certainly in the street as you're driving through, but really more so you're experiencing it as a pedestrian.

Um you're up close to the historic buildings, kind of giving the feel of of you know the materials that make up that building.

Um you're experiencing that as a again as a corridor.

So it's like you're walking down a corridor, and as you proceed down the corridor, um, you're seeing things along the way.

Uh buildings create a wall, parking, the vehicles parked create a wall, or don't, right?

If you have just uh um a lane of traffic and if it's going faster, and if there isn't trees or other things in between, right?

You're probably more focused on what's happening on the street side view than on the historic building side of you.

So um, so these are the things we're looking at in terms of the public realm.

Um in terms of the plan, we had community engagement over um several months.

We started with focus groups where we actually did invitations, um, small group meetings with folks, property owners, business owners, historians, and um downtown organizations were the four different groups where we really had some good conversation.

There was some door knocking, consultant went out and actually went to places that um you know maybe hadn't been um we didn't have contact information for them and made that first contact with folks who um kind of weren't already part of the discussion, a couple of open stakeholder workshops.

We did a um downtown Thursdays booth where we talked to a lot of people.

We were able to get a lot of kind of ideas and feedback from different folks who experience the district on very different terms, right?

As visitors, um as residents who maybe spend time down there, as business owners or um folks who work for those business owners.

So that was exciting to get kind of that um, you know, a lot of different types of feedback.

We had a project website up the entire time where people could go on a map and um drop a pin and say, you know, there's an important piece of information here that I want to make sure you're aware of, or um there's an issue here that's that's a problem when we look at you know, trying to access the historic district.

Um and all of that is contained then within the plan that you had access to in your packet for tonight.

Six different takeaways in terms of what the community engagement told us.

Um and as you look through this, um, a lot of them again are about sort of how do we experience um kind of as an individual out walking or riding or you know um again that that mobility concept of of experiencing the historic district.

Um, strong desire for a more vibrant, inclusive and walkable public realm.

Um number four, opportunities for improvement regarding accessibility and multimodal connectivity.

Um so even though we're focused on for this plan, we're focused on like how do we support the historic district by creating some but by making it attractive.

We're finding out that part of making it attractive is making it more accessible, multimodal accessible.

So with several different chapters, five different chapters.

Um I'm gonna go through each one just pretty briefly, talk a little bit about what's in each one.

Um, vision for the downtown historic district, the place like vibrant and welcoming um where people can gather, um, create you know, memories.

Um again, you know, people can connect to culture, um, energy within that district, and then the um helping to foster a sense of place and I'm not sure what oh here we go.

Um the uh fourth star public realm plan will intentionally weave the historic commercial district into the greater fabric of downtown.

That's important, and that's something I want to talk a little bit about.

Um yes, retain the historic character, but also make it accessible to people.

And you know, how do you do that?

Both retain the historic character but provide the possibly very modern amenities to help people have access to it.

So the initial uh um workshops built into this case for action, this idea of this is what we have, this is why we're doing this plan.

Um, I think you know, the consultants um were really excited about the energy that they felt down there, and in particular, um, there's a really strong uh creative community that is that just you know is in our historic district, it's where people have kind of congregated and built businesses around the creative um creative types of businesses, um, which is I think a whole other part of this that that um I kind of intuitively know it, but this plan really kind of brought that out with the engagement.

Um so the case for action is is actually an entire appendix of the plan.

Um within that case for action, I wanted to inform you, let you know that they took a lot of time looking at where are those mobility networks, where are you know, where are the transit, where's both existing and future mapping out where the link bus record transit is going to go, where parking is located, to really build a foundation to understand that.

This is an interesting image here where um even though by nature of creating a historic district, a district of any kind, we're drawing a boundary around and we're saying there's something special different about this place within this boundary, but at the same time, how is that connected to the rest of the community, right?

Because if people can't come into and out of that and experience and um make their way through and spend time in the district, like what does that really mean, right?

So, yes, we're we're we're setting aside these few blocks as something that's special, but we're also remembering that it's got to be connected to the rest of the community and the rest of downtown.

And as they go ahead, yeah.

Those are me the back one.

Yeah.

Do those arrows correspond specifically to streets themselves, or is it just a matter of saying there's one activity?

You basically there's a main main down the middle, and we have you know perpendicular action beyond that.

Yeah, it's it's nothing if they're not very specific.

Um try to remember because that did come up, and I know they changed the map because we had that.

And I think um, like the one that goes up and then to the west is a little bit that that doesn't follow a specific route.

Um, really, it's more intended to just be like, you know, we we are connected to these other areas.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

Um so they created four different lenses.

We've got these four different lenses that the plan focuses on.

Um the first one infusing storytelling throughout the public realm is really about the entire area.

How do we um how do we understand that space in terms of historically?

What's the historic story, right?

Which is um actually we've got the designation study when it was when it was uh designated as historic district.

So you know, we've got like 90 pages of what the history is.

How do we share that and help other people who aren't on the preservation commission, haven't read the this the study?

How can they you know hear part of that story and help them connect to the historic district?

Um the second one three point two, reimagining the streets within the district.

What can we do within those streets uh to help support the district?

How can we help people feel comfortable coming in and spending time within that public realm that we just talked about?

Um, you know, what are the design opportunities within that um within the within the streets?

Um in particular, third street, um, there's a there's a really good opportunity there, and that and that arrow is actually um that goes east and west is a significant arrow.

You're connecting, you've got an opportunity to really strongly connect from areas to the west in the downtown, especially where the growth is happening around both forward and bound, um, and then to the river, which connects you to the to the trail system and to the river as an amenity.

And then this opportunity of um of using the alleyways as an additional library space um as a as part of the public realm.

I'm surprised you didn't include forward in that same revisioning style, you know, if you consider all of the businesses that are on 4th Street that you know have recently been you know put there, you know, preserved looking at you know the the Conley Mass building on you know that that blue duck is in.

I'm strictly you're just um reserving third street.

Was there a reason for that designation of a bus that pick one?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um one of the reasons is that that's the southern edge of the historic district.

So um just sort of for reference um in terms of the map, and I'll just kind of let you reference that.

Um so that's the southern edge of it.

I think part of it is that there's already been a lot of um work that's been done on Fourth Street to provide some connectivity.

Um and so maybe it's not as much of an opportunity to use it to make changes to it to enhance the historic district or to enhance folks' experience of the district.

So I think it was for those two reasons that that probably we did focus on for.

Okay, yeah.

I would have thought connectivity would have been a really big one considering the the volume of people to the east of the historic district and the access of allowing them the ability to come in to that area.

But yeah, that's that's my two things.

Um thank you.

Yeah, no, and that's I think that's a good comment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um moving on to chapter three.

So this idea of uh of storytelling, right?

What are the stories that um that maybe are there that some people know that we can bring out?

How can we bring that out through things like public art through things like um interpretive signage panels?

Um, and even through um things like using artifacts that maybe were located in with the in the district, and the image on the far right is um actually a uh a community has created a a park with their historic signage that has been removed, right?

They're bringing it back into their historic area and celebrating that.

Um so you know, how can we kind of again help to create a setting where people want to spend time but also help them to connect to the story um of the historic district.

Um and then going to uh um third green on third, this idea of um taking third avenue and continuing to make it um more of a direct route um and really both pedestrian and bicycle um accessible.

And so um probably not easy for you to see um these cutaways, but within the plan, each of the streets has these different um these different concepts.

And for third, if you look to the upper left, um you see the existing um cross section of the street where you've got diagonal park or not, yeah, diagonal parking on both sides of the street, and the idea that you could still have it on one side and you could put uh um a dedicated bike lane on the other side.

So, like this is right where Mr.

Creasel's business would be, you know, on this side on the right, um, and then like old city hall and the hotel would be on this side, and you've got enough right-of-way where you could remove just parking from one side and do a dedicated bikeway, again, really giving you that east-west connection from you know, from kind of the southern part of the clinic to the uh river trail system.

Um, and then looking at you know how that can be modified throughout either different season or even different, um, in this case, kind of for different special events.

You can close down, you know, either even individual parking spaces and do some pop-up types of events, um, but still keep the road open.

You can close it and um do a street fair.

Um, it you know, the the street is kind of already designed to to start to allow this, and we do use it that way on Thursdays, um, depending on kind of how how big the crowd is getting.

And I know special events have been um have been programmed in in Third Street.

So this would be just furthering that design and making it a little more permanent, uh, and again, including a dedicated uh bikeway.

And then just some images of um what other communities have done that are similar, not completely dissimilar from what we've done in part of the city along First Uh Avenue towards the north of the historic district, but um kind of a local regional example where Levy Park in Winona has a similar design where they um you know can close down the whole street, or they can even just close down parts of it, you know, for pop-up events.

Um and then on Broadway, and we're looking at Broadway, probably both in a you know short and long-term vision.

Long term, you know, are there ways that we can um calm the traffic going through there and really support a more pedestrian type of environment?

Um understanding, right?

That there's a lot of other things that have to happen in terms of where is that traffic going, and that all is going to require additional studies.

This plan does not directly address it, but it says it can be done, right?

You still have to go through these other steps, other decisions still have to be made, but it can be done.

And if we do it, we're supporting the historic district, we're supporting the businesses there and the property owners there, and that's again back to the purpose of this planning activity.

So short-term um, you know, getting a little more multimodal um opportunity within Broadway, enhancing the safety, um, longer term vision, expanding sidewalks and creating a more buffered either bikeway or transit facilities.

Um, and again, you know, are you going to do that first or you're going to do it on Broadway?

That's still that kind of larger policy question that I think city council is continuing to look at and and work through.

So the um the sections here, um, the upper right, this is the existing broadway where you've got two lanes of traffic in each direction, you've got a center turn lane.

Um on one side, yes, you've got an amenity space on the other side that's the west side, and you've got you know much narrower sidewalk.

So, what can you do within that right-of-way to really um support more pedestrian-oriented space?

Um, and there's some different things you can do.

You can do kind of a um actually what this shows is uh on a daily basis where during peak hours of transit, you would have the lanes open for um transit availability, and then during the maybe after hours, evening, maybe weekends you would have parking, right?

So that provides traffic calming, but then it also provides parking for people who are coming into um restaurants, bars and spending time in off-peak off-peak transit hours.

Um we looked at first avenue and can I go to the cross sections here?

So on First Avenue, uh right now, the upper right, you've got angled parking on both sides of the street, both the east and west sides of the street.

If you took um if you took one side down to parallel and did a bikeway on the other side, in this case would be the west side.

Um, this could be first avenue could be used for that uh kind of reconnecting the north and south bikeway through the downtown.

Um, which again, the council is still working through that.

Like, you know, we know that Sixth Avenue is going to be the bikeway.

Do we need one another one?

Is it going to be first?

Is it going to be a different one?

Um, but showing that it can be done within that right of way.

And um, and it can be done on the top of on a more short-term basis, which could be a pilot program where you're just changing the paint on the pavement through existing through the existing curb um traffic area.

Um, and then it can also be done on a more permanent basis through a grade separated bikeway.

Um, and then the final kind of framework is the the alleyways.

This concept's been around for a while.

We've done some projects, kind of individual projects.

This continues to pick up on this idea and really use it to um to support the historic district.

So what the alleyways are an existing piece of public infrastructure.

We know that they're needed for things like service, right?

We know that you know um deliveries are made in the alley, trash pickup, um, and that's a really important function that we're not suggesting we get rid of.

But um, can we use the existing infrastructure of the alleyways to um to help make it attractive?

New business is forming off the alleyways there, um, kind of fun and you know, bits of discovery um that you can find again, that story telling and building uh the sense of unique sense of place within the historic district.

Um, and then this is just the kind of a week view of the um of the art alleyways and how you know interacting with something like the green on third, giving it a lot of flexibility to do things for different events or different seasonal modifications or even hourly modified, not that you change it hourly, but maybe something in the morning, something different in the evening, um, depending on delivery schedules and that type of thing.

So we talked a lot, or we we got into talking about um the different elements that make up the public right-of-way.

And I think from a historic standpoint, from a historic preservation standpoint, um, this plan really identifies that you want to be careful about these elements, right?

You don't want to take away from kind of the unique nature of the historic buildings.

I think this is where um as more specific plans come forward, and this body has a role in reviewing these items and and reviewing these plans for you to be aware of the fact that within the historic district, we're also weighing these other issues.

So a lot of times historic districts will do sort of the old style park benches, um, kind of the old fountains, that type of thing.

And that's one way to do it, and we may choose to do it that way.

Another way to do it is to do something that's a little more simplified so that it doesn't kind of trick the people that like these are historic elements, right?

Help them to really focus on the historic nature of the building.

Those are the things that are going to have to be weighed when it comes forward.

Um, and then you know, or is it that we choose to really focus more on the storytelling, things like signage um and public art and some of these other things sort of are allowed to recede into the background.

Again, we're balancing between the the history and the preservation and modern needs, and there's just going to be some weighing of you know how we do that and how we choose different design elements.

Um, and then the last chapter is implementation.

And mostly what I want to say about this is that um there was a subconsultant who did some um was able to take a look at numbers and put together some numbers for these different project areas, sort of four different project areas that were talked about, um, so that we can start to use them for budgeting and capital improvements plans.

Um maybe DMC wants to take a role in in doing some things, or we have other sources of funding uh that come forward.

Um, at least we have some numbers for planning practices, um, but we're not really focused on that.

a some consultant who did some um was able to take a look at numbers and put together some numbers for these different project areas sort of four different project areas that were talked about um so that we can start to use them for budgeting and capital improvements plans um maybe dmc wants to take a role in in doing some things or we have other sources of funding uh that come forward um at least we have some numbers for planning um but we're not really focused on that that's really again this is to um to be able to look at okay how how are we supporting this historic district both economically the businesses the property owners um how are we supporting it by increased mobility to be able to get people to come in and feel comfortable there and want to spend time in the historic district um and um yeah and I think you know so using this as a support tool for that as we make these decisions we already know that like there are areas within this district that need you know uh the sidewalks are needed of of major you know basically reconstruction okay now we've got this plan to help guide us in terms of how that relates to the the historic preservation side of things um so again nothing for you to certainly I'm open to comments and questions now um but mostly for you to be aware of as these individual projects come forward and you're looking at making um uh recommendations to us that you're aware that this plan is also out there and that this district is um a little bit different than than some of the other ones that we're working on so I went really quick and no that's great thank you very much any questions yeah any questions any thoughts from people on anything additional that we would want to add and we don't have to again have the stops tonight we can you know send them in an email or another other yes that's communication as well absolutely yeah Matt and I said there's one person in between us we're on the same kind of row of of um cubicles so we talk and so if um certainly we can reach out to me but if if you can't find my email you can reach out to Matt as well.

Thank you Melissa yes um I mean one comment just and and one question they have just really I mean all those spaces that you kind of laid out in that sort of vision for a future I mean really would love to be sitting on the patio or under the trees or enjoying each of these different corridors that you mentioned I think um pretty exciting to think of these different spaces and just wanting to linger there wanting to visit the business is more it's also nice to like have more space so not up against the building but get more of like I see the whole like the whole facade and everything there too.

So um and then I guess the the only question I wish Matt were here for but um it sounds like you created a crowdsourced map where you had people drop pins with information on it okay all right that's yes there is a um there's a software and it's escaping me right now but actually I was trying to I think I think I sent myself a note to tell Matt about it from your earlier discussion.

Yeah I just it is a like a fee-based you know thing that you have to sign up for um but there might be some other ones and yeah I can share that with him and maybe it's just periodically that you know though you're able to use it or sure yeah I just think there's a lot of value in that so thank you might be a logic unfortunately you cannot you can provide feedback to any of our members and we can bring back forward um okay we are at the end of what is potentially the the end of our meeting I know people we usually break at eight o'clock um Matt's not here so I sent him a text asking if he's coming back soon um I guess what are people's feelings on whether we want to move 7B to the Mike Tony's online and isolated for 10 years the whole whole time what's that oh I'm sorry.

Okay well then let's let's let's go with it sorry about that I I didn't realize um that was what we're at or do we have a weather could be record that's request what's that we request this could be quick given the weather sure yeah yeah I'm also happy to come back at any time um you know tonight was just going to be general construction updates from bold forward unbound uh all of our eight major projects but happy to come back at another time you guys have weather that will be hitting you very quickly probably within the next 20 some minutes you're gonna get rain and then it's gonna go to a different color okay with that um Mike if you want to talk it over in the room if you want to journal it sounds like Tony's willing to come back Tony thanks for hanging with us tonight and no problem get to go with that I mean we'd be fine weather to to reschedule or to hear to hear it I'd be I'd be fine rescheduling okay or yeah right okay uh is there a motion uh so the most notable by Ethan to reschedule seconded by Mike any discussion I assume we want to have it at the next meeting in May yes as a as a priority item for us is that we're used on availability for I will I will make it work okay that date is not in front of me right now maybe maybe the 11th

minutes you're gonna get rain and then it's gonna go to a different color okay with that um mike if you want to talk it over in the room if you want to adjourn it sounds like tony's willing to come back Tony thanks for hanging with us tonight and no problem get to go with that I mean we'd be fine to to reschedule or to to hear to hear it I'd be I'd be fine with rescheduling okay yeah right okay uh is there a motion uh the motion on the table by Ethan to reschedule seconded by Mike any discussion I assume we want to have it at the next meeting in May yes as a as a priority item for us is that work I will I will make it work okay that date is not in front of me right now maybe maybe the 11th sounds right at 6 30 city hall of room 320 okay all right all in favor say aye all of those say nay is there a motion to adjourn the meeting all right there's a motion by Ethan to end the meeting and a seconded by Mike all in favor say aye all of both say nay motion passes thank you everybody for your input this evening thanks everyone see you next month