Okay.

Mike Schmidt, present.

Aaron Buckley.

Allah LaRochelle.

President.

David Olson, present.

Sarah Stevens.

Steve emailed me and said she was not able to make it, so she won't be here today.

Dave Pesh here.

And Paige Burris.

Yeah.

Great.

Um let's uh go into open time period.

So open time period.

Uh we try to keep uh relatively short, about 10 minutes for the entire comment period.

So we do have quite a few people signed up today, so we do request that you keep your comments to two or three minutes.

And we'll start out with Barry Sconley.

Hi everybody.

Um I'm really concerned about this.

As everyone knows who's been on this committee for a while, been here.

I've been actually pursuing this for about five years or so because we've never been able to get enforcement about moving violations relating to line.

I'm very concerned about the idea of just doing an email.

It's a really hard and inconvenient for the public to sort of get their iPhones out of their pocket and to quickly take photos of it.

And some of them have trouble quickly calling uh some email, and there's no one there at the other end if you have questions.

I just think it's very consumer difficult to do that.

But if you're gonna do something like that, I would prefer 311 out of the city and not still line thing.

Maybe you could do some kind of combination where you could feel line the information, but I don't think it should just go uh straight that way.

Um I again have the human at the other end.

Um I wanna point out that riding on the sidewalk is both a state and city law.

So lack of enforcement by the police at reaching the point where people have been asking them.

I know I have for years.

I can't get them to enforce the law.

That's a form of non-feas and civil office.

If you look up the definition and you Google it, you'll see that if they don't, if you deliberately don't enforce the law because you don't want to, that's non-feasance of office, and that's an offense that police should actually be brought up on charges for, including the police chief.

So at this point, I really think we've got to have the police enforcement.

No more, we don't want to do it because we have crime to do.

It's part of their responsibilities to do it.

And if they choose not to, they can be removed.

And I'm very serious about this because the police have to get involved in this.

It's not just letters.

Um, I also want to point out that that today, the decals that are on the sidewalk.

Uh I was responsible for the decal that said no bikes on the sidewalk, but that was before Lime Scooter was even here for that we did that.

They should fit.

I've been told by even some police officers they want to amend that.

They want to change that to say bikes and scooters should not be on the sidewalk, not just bikes, because that has to do with an enforcement issue.

It would be better to have that as well.

Um again, I I think it's very important that we have enforcement.

I really want to hear.

I'm reading a letter on behalf of the Sembra Valley Audubon Society or ZBAS.

Now ZBAS is a local environmental advocacy group that served Eric around the last 50 years.

IBAS supports robust pedestrian and bike access within Rochester.

The implementation of the related infrastructure is complimentary to our support for healthier ecosystems.

More residents can get around the city for work and other needs, and fewer streets and highways we need to be built.

And that land could otherwise serve as wildlife habitat.

We are specifically here tonight to make a case that land adjacent to pedestrian and bike trails be doubly served as wildlife habitat and specifically as a means for wildlife to safely move about through the city, a concept typically referred to as wildlife corridors.

This would be an important, this would be an important um improvement for this would be an improvement for our local wildlife, but it also could improve the quality of land for local workers, runners, and bicyclists.

Specifically, numerous studies show that being in natural areas improves physical health and mental health.

Audubon, our national organization often asks us to reach out and serve those who are typically neglected.

Our understanding is that lower income residents who cannot afford automobiles must rely more on walking and bicycling.

The Department of National Resources has principles and accompanying programs to make it more accessible for lower income residents to enjoy the outdoors.

Yet those are still outside of many ability to reach such uh areas as state parks without automobile ownership.

Tracy O'Kain wrote in her book, urging to change the world about a natural area they were trying to protect from being converted to urban parkscape.

The adjacent uh neighborhood was poor and many residents explored these natural areas.

Tris organized year-round birdwatch for local kids, parents in the neighborhood worked multiple jobs and could not afford winter boots for their children, despite their disadvantaged upbringing.

Many of these kids thrived, and Tris Trish is uh Tris documents their growth owing to continued access to natural areas and menchestership of Trish and her graduate students.

Finally, we encourage the committee to prioritize preserving existing natural areas and where feasible establish new natural corridors along pedestrian and bike paths overall populations of wildlife and plant species have declined significantly over the last 50 years.

Therefore, implementing natural areas should be the default and conventional turf grass should only be used for specifically warranted.

Turf grass supports little habitat, adds to urban summer temperatures and does not capture heavy rainfall.

Thank you.

Thanks, Mike.

All right, next on this.

We have John Priestley.

I was trying to process what Mike had to say, and it is so very important.

I compliment you for what you had to say here, Mike.

I see him on occasion because uh Isaac Walton Week related.

I'm going to go a little bit off strip strip here.

Um first thing I want to say is that this committee.

You are the conscience of Rochester within the guidelines that you are given that you pay attention to staff ex staff gives you suggestions, but you are the conscience of this community.

And I don't want to say this to patronize you, but do not forget that because what we are doing moving forward here is we are trying to really problem solve.

As I said to some of you a little bit earlier, I was in Seattle.

I don't want to talk too much about Seattle.

Seattle is a different community, but I will say one thing about Seattle.

Seattle is driven primarily by the tourist trade, so that how people get around there is differently than here.

What drives this economy and what drives this economy is primarily a million and a half visitors that come here to the mail clinic.

So your role, our collective role is to pay attention to safe travel for all the patients that that come here for the mail clinic.

Safe travel, that you need policies and you need enforcement so that people that are compromised in trying to get around, know that they are comfortable in getting around on all venues, whether it's in the subways, whether it's in the skyways or it's on the streets.

Um the signage is important, but we must follow a policy of safety.

Otherwise, the vision that the clinic has for this community, which is going to get continue to get bigger and bigger and bigger, uh, will become compromised.

That we must not allow.

So here again, I'm gonna say you are the conscience, you you have the ability to change policy.

You don't have to stick with what Lime School scooter is proposing to you or listen to city staff.

You are in charge, not city staff.

So Lyme scooters can change their routing by using GPS.

If you're not happy with it, you deal in absolute speed because collectively you are the ones in charge of safe travel throughout this urban village that we are creating that is going to become more dense in the future.

Thanks, John.

Thank you.

Okay, and next up we have Martha Grogan.

Thank you.

I sent a lot of you some videos.

I live um on uh 6th Street and 9th Avenue.

So the part of the 6th Street Hill where it becomes the most steep.

So a coup of things that I really want you to think about.

Why should you care about 6th Street particularly?

We care about safety everywhere, as John just said, but uh you could think, well, there's a lot of hills in this part of Rochester, but this is probably one of the most traveled hills with the most abrupt change in grade and with the most limited siding distance.

So I've observed it for the 30 years I've I've been here and my husband, and that's why I think it's particularly important for this community.

I should say I am all in favor of active transportation since Mayo started the current building project.

I have not driven my car a single time to a mayo parking garage because I walk every single day.

My husband was a year-round commuter, so we're we live in the city for these reasons, but we need it to be safe.

Um and that rapid transition of the grade is really something that if you just haven't really looked at it lately.

Um, this is one of the things that's probably better to do on a bicycle or in a car is to come from 52 on 6th Street.

And you can't really see it if you're walking, but if you're on a bike in a bicycle or if you're in a car, when you get to 10th um avenue, you can't really see the steep hill that you're about to encounter.

It doesn't look too bad, but right when you get to 9th Avenue, that's where it's a dip, and that's where uh it gets much steeper.

And that's one reason why there's more speeding there.

Some of it is not delivered, it's just inadvertent.

And it's the other reason why those videos are so scary of the scooters at night because they don't realize they're tail seeking until they're not.

So I've talked to the some of these uh kids afterwards, and they're um they're pretty pretty uh scared.

So this has the intersection of bicycles and pedestrian safety um because of the siding distance at those at those intersections and the safety of pedestrians if the scooters go on the sidewalk.

So that's that's another um problem.

And then quickly, I I just have to tell you, I mean, a lot of times when people come to these committees, they're talking about something that directly affects them or something, you know, it's it's a it's a zoning issue or something.

In my case, I'm not gonna get killed on 6th Street because I live there and I know the dangers.

I really truly am just concerned about others and the scary incidents.

And uh I might run out of time, but I just have to quickly tell you some of you may not know.

Well, Michael Wojk was injured in an accident at the bottom of the 6th Street Hill at 6th Street and 8th Avenue.

There have been several serious automobile accidents related to the limit siding distance.

But there was a young girl that was killed at age 14 on a bicycle at that intersection at 6th Street and uh uh 8th Avenue at 10.

Thank you, Martha.

We appreciate your comments and meeting.

So if you want to know any more, I come and tell you again about her.

But you never said north, south, east, west in describing this area.

So could you do that please?

Okay, so it's 6th Street uh Southwest.

I'm sorry, I thought we had five minutes.

The whole committee, everyone has a collective.

The only other thing I'll say is I've done the reporting to Lyme, which you can see in the emails, and that doesn't work.

So I was told to call the police, but the police can't help once the scooter is gone.

But Lyme has the technology to know who was on that scooter at that time.

And that's where I just really think we're gonna be.

We will we will crush that later in the Ninth Avenue.

Southwest.

Yes, the hill that goes down past um the school.

Yeah, yeah.

By the by the way, okay.

You can come up here all you want, but we can also look that way.

Great.

Can we go down?

And lastly, we have competitors happening.

Can we have three minutes?

Everybody else has had.

Perfect.

Thank you.

For those of you who are familiar with faces, hello again, third time coming.

I'm going to try not to be a broken record.

But for those new faces, I was one of the victims, if you'd like to say of a lime scooter accident last fall on September 25th.

Lime scooters on the bike app here downtown.

Medical bills totaled around $30,000 out of employment for about three months and significant impact on my ability to care for my family.

At the time I had an 18-month-old and a two-year-old or two and a half year old.

So big impact on me personally.

Most of my comments though are related to the slides.

I have to be honest, I'm continually disappointed by the slides that come through.

Statistics should be able to interpret it without any explanation.

But there's quite a bit of incongruence between the first couple slides saying 400 operational vehicles, 37 trips, but then here it's 29,000 trips.

And then towards the end, it's saying there are 16 new signups, 111 riders, 369 total trips.

So it's really confusing as to the actual usage.

But as a essentially, I consider you guys the technology company.

Also concerned about as Ari and I guess several others have mentioned the amount of um you said there's only seven reported misparked vehicles.

Well, three of those came from me.

So I can't imagine that I happen to catch three of the seven problems in the city.

So I think there's a significant lack of awareness when I talk to other individuals.

They're surprised by that because they see so many youth riding when I say that they're illegal to be ridden or parked on the sidewalk, they're surprised because that's the primary mode they see.

So I think most people have a concern.

They just aren't aware of how to report.

In doing my reporting, I would say it was a nuisance.

I've kind of committed time and energy to doing it, but um, I mean, the first couple weeks I probably saw seven was parked once a day.

Um I did not report all those because I have other things to do.

I'm not gonna stop driving every time and write on the intersection and take the pictures and driving somewhere.

Um so I'll just conclude with um Lime Scooter came to our community.

Um you are a technology company, and I feel it is your responsibility for the problems that incur because of arriving in Rochester, that you use your technology to self-police, that it's not our city police officer's job to stop real crime calls and start now on foot doing um line scooter enforcement there are better things to do.

Um, and I know that you have the ability um you have the technology to address these things from within your company.

Thank you.

Okay, we will close all my comment period and we'll move on to uh set the agenda for the meeting today.

Um on the consent agenda, we have the uh minutes from April 13th of 2026.

We have um old business, which new business today, which is the man clinic uh construction interpretation update, and the new business um is also the line update.

So we have 58 and 68.

That is all that we have on the agenda.

Is there anybody who would be willing to add to the agenda to discuss the passing of um Swanson from the Commission?

So second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye, all of those say nate.

Okay, so we will add that to the beginning of the agenda today.

Uh we also need a motion to approve minutes from April 13th of 2026.

So move.

All in favor say aye.

All opposed say night.

All right, motion passes.

All right, so uh we will be discussing um of the unfortunate um death of um Ethan Swanson.

So if there's anybody who would like to remove themselves from the room at this time, that without comment or question.

Okay, so uh I do want to let you all know I did send an email out to all of you that unfortunately um Ethan Swanson passed away after being diagnosed about two weeks ago with pancreatic cancer, and on the third of June, he did unfortunately pass.

So I would like to take a moment of silence to um in his honor for us to reflect on that.

Thank you.

Uh additionally, I think it would be a worthwhile um if anybody would like to share any comments or thoughts um about beeping or stories that we'd like others to either partake in for themselves or for you to um for you to express your sorrow for defense by half.

Uh very quickly, I got I didn't know Ethan very well, but um I'm also involved in the uh uh the Master Gardener program for Musta County, which Ethan is also a member of and um he let us site uh which is a rain garden by that city park, um, and also a good amount of like maintaining and reading and just kind of caring for that.

Um I just kind of wanted to bring it up as a because it's like right by a trail by Busky and kind of this is as a good intersection of uh two of the ways you can have that in effect on the community.

Yeah, thank you.

I'd just like to share.

Uh I worked with Ethan on our reimagined Sixth Avenue a bit.

I thought, well, there's initially when that project launched, there's a lot of misunderstanding and certain aspects of it.

I really appreciate him working across the table as more of a citizen or activist, and just trying to sponsor a responsible conversation between city staff and concerned residents and just advance uh without being accusatory, just advance understanding.

So that many adverse conversations in my career and really just appreciated what he brought to the table through that process.

Yeah, I did have to say I didn't know Ethan super well, but any almost uh project that was an analysis on a public way, I would go to and Ethan would be there on his bike, you know, with all of his gear and you know, very much an advocate for again the pedestrian and in the bicycling community in the city of Rochester.

He was a he had a very kind and warm part, and so we appreciate all the time that he gave us while he was here on this commission so we want to send you.

Okay, we will now move on to um 5-8 for the mail clinic construction transportation update.

Amy, do you want to give a summary of that or are you just um can we adopt the consent agenda?

Oh, did we not adopt it yet?

No, we'll just set the agenda.

Okay, okay.

So adopt the consent agenda.

If there's a motion appealed.

Does the uh consent agenda improved number eight future discussion items?

Um it does not.

Is there a time when we can talk about that?

If there's a motion, we can certainly add it to the end of the agenda.

I will make some motion to subject on seven agenda.

Is there a second?

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Or is there a discussion?

Sorry.

There we go.

Discussion theme, would you like to amend the proposed?

Well, I don't want to get too complicated, but yeah, this has future discussion items.

Are we as committee members allowed to bring something up that we'd like to see talked about in the future?

So I can just do that now.

Uh you can request that we amend the agenda to add an additional item to be discussed after 6A.

Well, I'm I'm not I'm not suggesting I want to add it tonight.

Okay.

It says future to add it to a future agenda.

Yes.

Um, seems like a complicated thing to I mean it's it looks like it's open for you folks, it should be open for us.

Anybody who wants to put something on a future agenda.

I'll get I'll give you a hint.

I'll tell you what it is.

Yeah, okay.

It's not that controversial.

Uh I'm seeing a lot of mini bikes.

I'm seeing a lot of uh mini motorcycles on the trails, mini bikes.

Um basically a lot of that kind of um ridership on the trails that have signs that clearly say no motorized, not sure what the word is, no motorized vehicles or whatever on the trails.

And I would like to have that on the agenda so that you can all talk about our experiences and that this I see is a growing trend.

People can afford these little things.

They go fast.

These people have not the vaguest idea of trail etiquette.

And I would say there's something that we need to talk about.

Is there a motion to amend?

I guess I don't know.

Yeah, so amend the agenda to add a future discussion item of vehicle or motorized vehicles specifically, mini bikes and on trails.

Okay.

Yeah, that's my motion.

Okay.

He just wants to add that to a future agenda topic.

Okay.

That's my motion.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Okay.

All in favor say aye.

All post name.

We've got it.

Back to the original original.

All in favor.

Any more discussion?

Okay, all in favor say aye.

I'll post say name.

All right.

That's the consequence agenda as it decides.

All right.

So old business, we're going to move on to uh Tony's following is here with the Mail Clinic to provide us an update here on where Mayo Clinic Construction stands today in a transportation update.

So I did pull up your PowerPoint and I'd give you the mouse and we can run it here.

I'll just call it one round in the corner.

All right.

Good evening all.

Uh Tony Spaulding.

I'm an administrator at Mayo Clinic.

And excuse me.

I have the privilege of serving all things, arrivals and departures for our patients and staff, uh, which would include parking and transportation.

Uh so today I'll kind of give you an update on uh really where we're at with our eight major construction projects within the downtown campus and then out uh west of town, including St.

Mary's, as well as some of the other uh construction that we're seeing right now.

So really what this is about is transforming our practice.

Um as Mayo Clinic really looked into the future and trying to care for um really the series complex and then of course our entire community.

We realized that we really needed to transform our practice and take it into the next generation, including growing how we care for patients in different ways than what we do now and try to keep up with the future.

And part of that is uh even change forming the landscape of what our practice looks like and how our practice operates.

Uh some of it you could call fragmented now, but we're really trying to bring things together to make it a more seamless way for our patients to receive care.

So I'll talk about um, like I said, there's eight major projects.

Uh the first one in the top left corner there.

That's really the old site of the Osman complex or the former courthouse here in Rochester.

Um that will make way for uh what is still being called the Osman Building.

This will be completed in 2030.

Right now, uh I would say they're more than 50 percent complete with the removal of all of the earth that is part of that on that west side.

Uh that's actually 65 feet down, and underneath that corner will be uh geothermal uh our geothermal plant.

Uh this these will be new buildings will be highly efficient.

And uh again, this is really Mayo looking to do the best we can to sustain and be efficient as possible.

Uh next one we'll just go straight across on the top there.

This is the former sites of our Damon parking ramp that was for patients.

This will be called the Bernard E and Edith B Waterman Building.

The Osman building and the Waterman building will be all connected eventually into the Gonda building.

Now, both of these buildings are set to be complete in uh 2030.

Both on track at this point in time.

Um still we're seeing a lot of excavation.

Uh by the end of this year, we'll start to see more vertical expansion uh of these buildings.

Um, down on the bottom left-hand corner, as I'm looking at the screen.

That is our logistics building now called the Granger Building.

The Granger family has given us a generous donation to name that building.

That's a former Leward's high school site.

Um, that building will also serve as our logistics building to take all of our supplies into our new facilities, meaning that Osman site as well as Waterman.

That building will also serve as our logistics building to take all of our supplies into our new facilities, meaning that Osman site as well as Waterman.

And within that, it's connected by a tunnel that's underground that leads all down Sixth Avenue into our site.

So a lot of the construction work and things that are going on on Sixth Avenue is really tying our buildings in so that we're not moving around outside, and we can do that via robotics and indoors at all times.

Next, um, which is kind of by the residents in Marriott, right here.

This would be the Dan Abram Healthy Living Center up in the corner, and across is our West Ramp or Ramp 9.

This is going to be called the arrival building.

This will be a building for our patients who are self-parked, drop off, or even doing valet.

This is looked to be fully vertically constructed at the end of October, uh, with about 200 stalls.

And then by April, we'll have about 580 stalls.

And this will be for patients again for self park, arrivals, drop-offs, and valet, um, all linked into each one of our clinical buildings in the downtown campus via subway.

Again, not always the nicest weather here in some parts of the year.

So anyway, we can get our patients in nice and easy, safe and warm, will be great.

Again, all linked and tied together via subway.

Uh, so I can ask the question.

Of course.

Are we wanting to go back?

Oh no.

Oh, okay.

Um, you're you're gonna be more dependent on subway than uh Skyways, or you're gonna have like many cases, you have both.

Really, really good question.

So I would say West Logistics and the arrival bundling, those are all subway.

Sure.

But when you talk about the Osman complex to the watermen to Gonda, you'll be able to do subway or skyway multiple levels.

You know, today we can go uh across if you think about Gonda to Charlton, that's 10 stories tall at the tallest uh skyway location.

It'll be very similar as you look uh watermen and going in.

We have a skyway at the 10th floor.

Right across at the top of yes, okay into the Charlton building.

All right.

Thanks for the data.

Yeah, no problem.

Next one is our prospect utility plant.

Think about Civic Center Drive.

We already have utilities over there, and the prospect utility plant will where is where we have a large generator and other things that will help with our geothermal system that will expand all the way to our new clinical buildings.

Uh that won't be complete until 2028 at some point in time.

Straight across, um, one that we're all very excited about.

Think about Cascade Lake.

Uh, May used to have a west lot.

That surface lot had about approximately 980 stalls.

We're currently building a 2500 stall ramp that only takes up maybe a half to a third of what that lot was.

And this is where bus rapid transit, um, which will be a great addition to our community to move not only our staff, but those uh throughout the public.

And bus rapid transit will run from West Transit Village all the way to east, the east lot kind of over by the government center, right over here, and then multiple stops in the way for our male staff as well as the community, all fare-free.

Um, West Transit Village will be complete sometime um late December.

Next one is another, and in that um, I think it's important to note since it has great connectivity uh to the bike trail, Cascade Lake, and other things.

We'll also have secure bike room within this ramp.

St.

Mary's campus, bottom left-hand corner.

This will be a thousand-stall parking ramp that's uh adjacent to our current ramps on that site.

This will initially be probably all of this will be for staff, and then as we need more patients, we can uh probably work with a general ramp and ramp 34, is what should we call it?

Uh, really to work in between our patients and staff.

This will also have uh we already have secure bike rooms uh in that ramp and ramp 34, but adjacent, uh, we'll be able to add more for uh the secure bike room.

This looking at late October this year, yeah.

Last one, uh major construction project we have.

This is a south parking ramp.

Think about the Baldwin building right around 2nd Street.

Um, we're adding an additional 500 stalls initially for our staff.

Uh, eventually, as we begin to move in and uh have more patients, we'll transition some of that into uh patient parking as well.

Again, looking at late October, early November for the completion of this ramp.

So if you think about that in all, uh that's more than 4,000 covered stalls as we look at this, with 2500 of them being linked directly to bus rapid transit, which again will be fare-free, and I really think helps bolster Rochester Public Transit as well.

You have direct access to Link because of the station right outside of Baldwin and others.

Yeah, so I mentioned multiple stops.

So there'll be stops um on the west side of 52.

Then as we get to St.

Mary's, there'll be a stop.

There's a stop near Sixth Avenue, uh stop uh near the Waterman complex or you know the Osmond complex, one by mail, one closer uh on the other side of Broadway, and then on the east side, which is where our east lot is.

So multiple stops uh where you can hop on and off and again, fare-free.

Great addition for yes.

When you say fare-free, that is free to be to anybody that would like to ride that bus rabbit transit, not just fare-free to mail employees, correct?

Correct.

Okay.

Um, one of the things I really want to compliment the the city uh for helping us.

Um, if you think about 2nd Street, and we're looking in between kind of 6th Avenue, um, all throughout that in front of that Baldwin building where we have the South Ramp.

Um, one of the things that the city was very adamant about is making sure that pedestrians have access to the downtown campus during all of this construction.

If you look in the middle of the screen right here, these were the where those bus rapid transit stations will be.

And we're also trying to pour a south ramp and also doing a lot of excavation in this clinical building.

But the city said it's very important.

So one of the things we did is we have a covered walkway that goes from 6th Avenue down to Fourth Avenue, which is called a TAR, a temporary pedestrian access route.

This is a covered walkway with lights, including, I think we were putting signage up even yet today.

It's up.

It's up.

All right, thank you, Steve.

Uh, within that for directions and helping with wayfinding for our pedestrians trying to access the downtown campus or going even towards St.

Mary's or some of the hotels and other businesses.

So thanks for part the city for partnering with us to have that pedestrian access route.

A couple of other things that are happening in the downtown campus in terms of really trying to navigate.

Um, and another reason why we needed to have 2nd Street is we have West Center Street closed down for duct bank work and other things that are happening there that really supports some of our new buildings.

So, in working with the city and others, we're making sure that we always maintain as much access as we can, obviously on 2nd Street and then uh across on 1st Street at this point in time.

We'll always look to try to maintain as much access as we can, and we'll continue to work with the city to make sure uh we can have that.

And the last one, uh, this is kind of a city project as well, but Mayo also has work in here with Duck Bank work, but the closure of Sixth Avenue right now is closed.

Uh, this will be closed for Amy.

Do you know when that will actually open back up Sixth Avenue?

So I believe Mayo's work is close to being complete.

Yep.

Um, there is some private work happening, City Walk Apartments is being constructed.

I think they will pop out on their concrete at the end of the year.

So we're hoping to get Sixth Avenue or the end of the year.

And one of the things I would say uh that I'm very excited about, um, as we get towards the end of the year, um, I think we'll see more of our streets begin to open.

We'll see more vertical expansion of our major construction projects, um, which will help people navigate the downtown campus, uh, whether that's patients, staff, or or patrons of our city.

I I think I'm really looking forward to that.

It makes everybody's uh transition and travel through our community much better.

But I think we'll see that.

I mean, we won't be done, obviously, by that time, but we'll see more and more things begin to open up.

And then the last one uh one that uh happened today.

Uh, we're continuing to do bus rabbit transit stations here by St.

Mary's.

So that work is going on a second street on both sides as the transit station.

Um, you will be able to enter that transit station, go under 2nd Street and enter our campus without having to go across 2nd Street.

Those are very busy intersections there.

And so we've worked with the city as well as the Mayo construction crew to make sure that we'll be able to have access under 2nd Street to make it safe for travel back and forth.

Currently, today, uh day one of a closure on 2nd Street and 14th Avenue as we continue to do work.

Um, this will be I will say that we'll see most of this work complete, probably late fall, uh, when we can open up some of this.

And second street will see closures open and closing uh lanes north or east and west uh as they transition from the north side of the road to the south side of the road, uh, as they're creating that tunnel that goes under 2nd Street.

Again, I'll just close.

Um we have a lot going on uh through this year.

Um, and I'll take us out through the end of the year where a lot of our major ramps, especially, um, will be completing with our St.

Mary's ramp.

Uh, we have North the Arrival Building, South Parking, West Transit Village, all of those things opening by the end of the year.

And um, we're very excited about that, and that's when we'll begin to see more vertical expansion.

Now, we're not done there.

The skills till 2030, and I'd be happy to come back at any point in time and provide updates as you see fit on how we're doing on our construction projects.

Lastly, um something that we've done internally.

Um, and uh my colleague uh would tell me that uh this has really helped.

So internally we have a rides survey.

Uh, this allows our staff to tell us you know what's important to them, how do they get to work, what mode of transportation, and then even moving this into some kind of mode survey or transit survey for for our staff.

And I think this is something that we can also party partner with the city of Rochester as we start to look, how can we better help all of those in the community, our patients, staff, and everyone else uh move throughout our downtown campus?

And that's how I happen.

Okay.

Maybe a question for the city.

Are the rapid transit buses?

Do they allow bicycles to hook onto the bus somehow if you can roll it on and park it?

Pardon me.

You can roll it right on the stand on the platform with the riders roll around.

There's dedicated parking for your bike right on.

The interesting thing about these transit stations that are being built is it's like zero entry.

So they'll be elevated and raised.

Not only that, I'm excited about the 60-foot articulating electric buses.

Did I say that right, Steve?

Correct.

Uh, that will be operating bus rapid transit.

Here's a few of those around town, I think.

I don't know if they're electric, but they're I see them not downtown, struggling to deal with some intersections, but they're designed to be able to do that.

Just to give a sense of how far we've come.

So you mentioned the end of this year.

So when did all this start?

Are we at the end of this year?

That will be how long?

Uh I would say uh at least a year and a half.

I would say it would be two years, two years.

Yeah, we yeah, we've been in planning, but I would say probably digging.

Yeah.

Year and a half.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah and a half.

Well, getting the streets back, I'm sure a lot of people will be happy.

Me especially.

Thinking about it every day.

Okay.

Can you can you help us understand?

I know that you mentioned that we're going from 980 spots at the West Transit Village West Lots to 2500.

Uh, can you help us understand that the traffic patterns you foresee people taking coming and going during peak hours?

And it's I'm I'm sure it's been studied, but just to kind of give us an overview of, I mean, you're gonna see people coming down West Cycle Drive, you're gonna see people coming up 52, you're gonna see people coming from over by the History Center from off of Salem Road, right?

From all other that are we looking at traffic patterns?

Are we looking at potentially you know, ways of having longer lights, shorter lights, um, and whether what pedestrian, you know, ideas coming from the I forget how many thousands of houses that live out of the commander.

Yeah, so traffic study has been done.

Bus Rapid Transit will have their own lane to go on.

Um, we will continue to monitor that.

The beauty about that is that our staff who work a multitude of hours, anywhere from you know, starting at 5 a.m.

to 6 a.m.

to 7 a.m.

all the way um through all hours, especially to the hospital.

Um, we truly feel that it will be a gradual fill and a gradual emptying of it.

So load in, load out.

Certainly we'll work with the city, and we have worked with Sam Batsina and others um as as part of this.

But it is something that we're going to have to monitor and we'll continue to monitor uh as as we get moving forward with that.

Questions?

All right, okay, great.

So you're welcome.

Thanks for having me.

And uh if you have everybody, please hesitate to reach out.

Happy to talk.

Appreciate your patience last month as well.

So yeah, great.

Moving on to the next agenda item.

Um, that next item is 6A, which is the map.

Sorry, I lost my go.

I got it on the screen here.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, so the next is new business 68, which is the lime update.

We can change something.

Um, so we have changed this PowerPoint a little bit since you guys had it printed for you.

We will send out a revised copy to be shared with the committee as well.

But uh we are happy to be here today.

My name is Kelly Harrip, and I am the senior lead for Midwest Government Affairs here at Lyme.

Um, so I oversee Ohio, Michigan, Indianapolis, uh, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska, Missouri, um, based out of Columbus, Ohio, but really happy to be with you today to provide an update from the one we gave about six months ago.

I am James Tierney.

I'm the operations associated from the Twin Cities.

So I operate um the warehouse in St.

Paul, um, and then operator market here in Rochester and our um our suburbs of the Twin Cities as well.

Um with Max here.

I have a Max degree, also operations associate based out of the Twin Cities, um, have uh overseen Rochester for the last three years.

Um so today on our agenda, we're gonna cover fleet and utilization, our peak season operations plan, parking compliance, drider behavior, some pricing, and then accidents and categorization.

Um so I will turn it over to Max to discuss fleet and utilization.

All right.

So in uh so far for the year, we have operated right now.

We're at about 400 operational scooters and 60 operational e-bikes.

So far for the year, we have averaged around 1.76 trips per vehicle per day on our scooters.

So what that means, we call it a TVD.

What that means is every day for every single scooter that we have, that scooter will see 1.76 trips per day average across throughout our whole fleet.

Um, and then for our e-bike fleet, we see a 1.32 trips per vehicle per day.

Um, so we are seeing a higher TVD on our scooters.

This is something that we see um across most markets, um, especially in the twin cities, we see the same thing, and we operate both vehicle types there.

And we can on there's just a comment at the bottom that TVDs above 1.5 means there are demand for additional vehicles.

Yeah, yeah, that's possibly that's true.

That's pretty much something that we go off of internally.

We see one to 1.5 as that's healthy.

Um, and above a 1.5 is typically where those vehicles are getting ridden a lot, and that shows that there's demand for more vehicle.

So I can see I'm sorry, you guys are trying to talk over here.

So we ask if uh only the commission speaks at this time.

Can I ask a question?

And do you prefer that we ask questions uh as you go through the slides or wait till the end?

Let's wait till the end.

That's what's a given.

Okay, now looking at total trips so far for 2026.

We've had 33,000 hundred and ninety-eight total trips broken down by vehicle type.

We've seen 31,000 trips for scooters and 2700, almost 2800 trips for bikes.

So highlighting again here significantly more trips per scooter.

We see more demand for the scooters and they get more chips.

Now taking a look at our fleet since launch, we launched uh middle middle of April launch is what we call when we we cease operations in the winter, we resume our operations in the spring.

And so early April, we launched and have continued continued to grow our fleet since then.

Now taking a look at the or into the future at our operations plan moving forward.

One thing we would like to do is identify and create additional parking pins.

So we we recognize that the landscape is current or constantly changing and more areas are becoming available to guide our riders to park in those locations.

We also want to increase the frequency of our patrol routes.

Currently, right now we're patrolling on a daily basis, but would like to do that more often multiple times a day to continue to ensure that our the streets of Rochester and the sidewalks of Rochester are as clean as they can be.

Another thing we would like to do moving forward is we'd like to identify opportunities to conduct a parking warding campaign for those who may not be aware.

This is what happens when we are out in the field, we have physical promo codes and we hand those out to our on top of scooters or bikes that were parked properly, so that when somebody comes and grabs that scooter, they see oh, these people were parking properly.

We show that this is how um you park properly.

Um, and then something else we would like to do is we would like to or we will continue to remedy parking complaints in a timely manner.

Um the pictures on the right there.

Um, so the our our ops team, I'm I'm based in the Twin Cities.

James is based on the Twin Cities.

We also have a team member here on the ground from Rochester, works exclusively in Rochester.

Um, what he does is he he moves vehicles um that if there is a complaint about them, he'll move them somewhere better.

Um he also fixes some of them, he'll also change the batteries on them.

Um, and another thing that he does is he carries around a few helmets in the back of his van and hands them out on occasion.

So we wanted to highlight that.

Um moving forward, I think I'll pass this over to my colleague James.

What's going on?

Slides for us.

How much it's refreshed the page.

Okay.

Um, so the first thing I wanted to highlight with our parking compliance is our discipline policy.

Um we review almost every trip um with not only our AI program but with our uh physical team of uh human people that are reviewing every individual end trip photo.

So at the end of a trip, um the rider is instructed to end their trip in a in a parking space that is out of the way of the sidewalk, on the way bike lane, not in the street.

Um, so when they park properly, there's a photo of that or improperly, and our team will review those photos.

Um, and this is our policy for discipline.

So um riders will receive two warnings for improper parking before they're fined.

They'll be fined $10.

And if there are two fines beyond that, the rider account will be deactivated and they'll be banned from our um line app.

Um, so any proper parking event will reset this count.

So if a rider takes two uh trips, both of them parked improperly, um, they will be warned each time, and then if they park properly, they will uh it'll reset the count, and that's to encourage proper parking and not punish um people for parking properly.

So um really want to keep encouraging proper parking there.

Um, so parking compliance so far this season.

Uh we've issued 2,576 warnings.

Um, 992 individual riders were warned in that group.

94 fines have been issued this year, um, and we're at about 96% of every end trip photo is reviewed.

Um, on the right, that is our internal system we use to judge whether or not parking is proper or improper.

Um that is a great example.

I came across a few weeks back of riders parking within the corral that the city uh set up.

So really wanted to highlight that.

Moving on, I talked, I've mentioned our AI program.

So at every end trip, a rider is basically walked through how to properly park with this AI tool.

So it'll scan the surrounding environment.

Look at our scooter and the orientation.

In this real example here, you can see a scooter is blocking the sidewalk.

The app instructs them to try again and park without blocking the sidewalk.

The rider moves the scooter off to the side of the sidewalk and the trip is ended.

And then I wanted to highlight uh we've only gotten a dozen reports of mispark vehicles so far this spring.

How did you find 94 people?

Um so that was these are like manual reports from that come into those.

As opposed to the entry photo system, which is out inside of our application of the different things.

Yes, yep, sorry to interrupt that's correct.

Yeah, um so yes, and then um yeah, basically we're gonna keep continue to push in-app messaging to our uh riders.

Um so on the very bottom left, you can see that banner pops up, um, will be popped up for all of our riders this Friday.

Um and we're just gonna continue with those proper parking reminders just to encourage our our riders as much as possible to park properly.

Um parking warnings.

So this is an example right in the center here of uh what a rider will get um if they aren't able to verify their parking.

So if someone just takes a picture of um the sidewalk or it's a blank screen, um they'll still be warned.

And if they keep continuing to take not clear photos of their parking, um, they will be fine.

Um so these are um manually reviewed by our staff, like I mentioned.

Um, and then on the far right, you'll see um the exact message the rider will get um for a warning.

So it's again educating the customer to park the vehicle near a bike rack, a parking meter hitch, um it's near street signs, so off the right of way of the sidewalk um and out of buttons.

Um so this is another um thing that we've been seeing quite a bit uh throughout Minnesota is um just education being uh shared different channels.

Um, this specific example is the Blaine Police educating the public on the laws surrounding e-bikes, scooters, emoto's.

Um, and we've seen a lot of positive feedback from that.

I've seen this on local news quite a bit.

Um so yeah, just want to keep um stressing how important education is on um not just our end, but on the city end and um and in the user channels.

Um and then I wanted to share our email.

So the help dash Rochester email is one way to report an issue to us.

Um combine that with our QR codes located on every vehicle will also be a great way of contacting us, reporting misparked vehicles.

Um, and then um, you know, if also I'm I'm sure things that are reported to the city like via 311 can also make their way to us as well.

Um so one uh one big issue uh we see across the board is antisocial riding.

Um if you are able to report this through our email or through our QR code, we only need the time and location of the incident.

Um you can report that incident with a brief description to our help Rochester at Lyme email.

Um we'll analyze the trip route, find the rider, and um appropriate disciplinary action.

Um they'll either have to review safety quizzes, they'll get a warning, a fine, or a ban, depending on the severity of the incident.

Do you have a standard?

So when you say depending on the the I guess how how the incident that's in the fraction, do you have a standard to say, you know, like you do for parking, right?

You say, hey, two warnings after two warnings, you get you get fine, it resets.

Do you have a standard for that anti-social riding as well?

That's that's much more.

This we take at a very individualized level.

Um we have the ability to find different amounts or temporarily ban or permanently ban.

Um and we we take that as at an individual level.

Is there a difference why you were choosing to do it on an individual level from the parking but not antisocial riding?

Um because we're doing I personally do the manual or like the the antisocial riding.

They're both a whole system built out that does focus on parking.

They're both individually reviewed by staff.

So our end-of-trip parking photos reviewed just not directly into the instant that it's happening.

Um, whereas these would come to us and Max, James, and their team would look at them on an individual basis.

You know, if it's something like sidewalk riding, then we encourage them to redo quizzes.

If it is in our system that it continues to be a problem, that's when we go in and issue those warning fines and bans.

Um it's all about ultimately training riders, if you will, to adhere to proper behavior.

Um so that's why to once they receive a warning fire ban, if they demonstrate that they are knowledgeable of then appropriate behavior, correct their action, um, they're able to start riding again.

I guess okay.

I I would request that we have the same similar standard that we have for parking for anti-social riding because it tends to be something that we hear a lot about.

And so I would like for riders to know that if these infractions continue to happen, if it's speed, if it's places you're not supposed to be, if it's a volume of infractions that are potentially reset or not reset.

I think I would like to hear that.

And I'm sorry, I know source window began.

We feel like we're gonna really job in situation.

So I'll let you continue.

I'll better with all my comments.

Um, so this is our trip heat map for the year so far.

I just want to highlight uh the that bike lanes I'm seeing are utilized quite often, or at least trips are utilizing bike lanes quite often.

Um I think that has a lot to do with um Google Maps recommending bike bike lanes um in routes.

Um, and I think riders feel a lot safer in bike lanes as well.

I sure do.

Um so yeah, just wanted to highlight the amount of trips downtown is is growing and um the bike lanes are being heavily utilize.

So your purple is gonna be higher demand, and linear red and orange is gonna be the lower demand.

Thank you.

Um so I wanted to highlight some trips that we pulled um from our system.

Um we are seeing some cross-town rides.

Um, so this was a specific trip from the Riverwalk apartments to St.

Mary's Mail Clinic.

Um just guessing here this was a hospital workers' commute because we're seeing this specific route quite often.

Um we actually deploy quite often to both ends of this trip.

Um, so that is one of our highlights.

Um, another one here is a really long route from a uh docks recovery house in like the southwestern part of the city to the Costco at the northern end of the city.

Um, and this one just utilizing quite a lot of bike lanes and uh just not it's a long trip and uh a bike route.

Um so someone took our e-bike um from the from this doc's recovery house to the Costco, um, probably utilize the the basket on the bike um for their errands.

Um, and then another rider profile, uh probably a college student at the technical community college.

So um started at uh another high deployment area of the residence at community square um and ended at the Rochester Community Technical College.

Um, just wanted to highlight the um commuter routes that we're seeing.

Um, and then also not only are our QR codes and helpline uh being utilized for complaints, but also um suggestions too.

So we're seeing um customers reaching out asking for deployment locations near where they live or where they work so that they can utilize the vehicles more consistently.

Um that has a lot to do with our fleet size too.

So um just having available vehicles in those areas for them with such a large uh metropolitan area, like it's it's very difficult for um you know us to have a vehicle in every single location that it's requested.

Um, but it is really helpful to know um where and when um riders need the vehicles.

Um it really helps us determine where we can deploy and where um we can rebalance vehicles that are misparked or um yeah, any any time we need to move vehicle um to somewhere we know someone's gonna use it.

You can also use our data too, but I think um if there hasn't been a rod in these areas, it's really helpful.

So I'll just read this.

The customer reached out saying that they wanted a line park near their workplace and and they also wanted to use it for their daily work muting.

Um, they noted that there are many visitors in the area and a couple restaurants.

And then they they gave us the location.

Um so moving along to pricing.

I think I'll hand you that word, Kelly.

Yeah, so we just wanted to highlight for you that Rochester residents pay the lowest price per minute in the entire country.

Um the next comparable city would be Grand Rapids, Michigan at 37 cents a minute.

Um so we're confident that the service we're providing Rochester residents is at the best price they can get.

Um, and we try to make our pricing predictable and affordable for residents to utilize for the various purposes that they might need to access one of our vehicles.

Please um want to talk about line access.

So Lime Access is our program for anyone that receives government assistance, they are able to sign up for our line access program.

Um they will receive 50% off of their rides automatically once they're enrolled in the program.

So this uh allows people who are traditionally disenfranchised from using different modalities of transportation to access the scooters and the bikes for more reliable transportation.

Just this year, we've had 16 signups and then 111 riders from our signups from our past years as well, with 369 round trips and saving about a thousand dollars for our riders on that line access program right here in Rochester.

So to discuss our accidents in categorization, we have had five reported accidents in 2026 to Lyme.

These accidents are lime or are rides that are directly reported to the Lyme account.

Um, this will not account for a trip that you know hits a scooter or something for your example.

These are direct rider involvement accidents.

Um ninety point nine event of our trips end without any incident, and we're really proud of that number given the large scale of Rochester residents utilizing the vehicles.

Um also we have been asked a little bit to talk about our categorization rate.

These are all gonna be minor accidents, um, but we categorize our accidents basically a severe would be medical treatment involving inpatient, a moderate would be medical patient or medical treatment involving outpatient, and then your minor are just gonna be cuts and scrapes uh that no professional and medical attention is needed.

Um so being in Rochester, we really believe in any community we're in community engagement is important and being a good corporate citizen.

So we made a 1,000 dollar donation to Lyme Pride or to Rochester Pride to celebrate their festival this year, um, which is held March 16th, and we're really glad to be involved with that.

Um we also have team members that will be out in the community rewarding good parking, like we discussed in our parking wardens campaign.

Um, and then we plan on doing some helmet giveaways at Thursday downtown because we know they're pretty highly populated events.

Um, it's also a good opportunity for us to do some first line academic first ride academies help riders figure out um how our vehicles work, get to operate them in a safe space with some um staff on hand to help them utilize them, answer any questions.

So excited to continue to be a part of the Rochester community.

Um and we thank you guys for your time and we'll open it up for any questions.

My first question is that a bike on the left?

Yes.

Yes.

Is it the same cost for a bike or the scooter?

Correct.

Yep.

So you'll pay a dollar um to unlock and then 35 cents per minute.

What is it?

What is your opinion as to why you need like 400?

If there's 400 scooters, but 40 bikes or something like that.

The trip demand is much higher.

Um, so the return that we see on our scooters and the usage of our scooters.

Um, obviously there's a discrepancy between the bikes because the bike numbers are lower.

Um, but in all of our markets across the country, the scooter scooters are utilized as a at a much higher rate.

Yeah, you can see we we've got the 400 scooters um and they're getting a higher higher amount of utilization.

So, how far can a scooter go just on battery?

I mean, how fast?

Uh so all of our scooters are capped at 15 miles per hour, um, which is different than any private usage vehicles you would see.

Um, and we also work with the city to create slow zones.

So for example, um, we can take areas that are higher population that might have more pedestrian traffic um and turn the speed down, usually about seven or eight miles an hour.

And the e-bike speed.

Same thing.

Yep, 15.

And on that just go ahead, follow up on that.

So you can get on a bike, can you ride five miles on a bike without pedaling?

Yeah, at all.

Yep.

We also do our best to make riders aware of where these different zones are, whether they be no riding zones, whether they be slow zones, so they can adequately plan their trip at the front end.

So you have a means to take a scooter and with some kind of an electronic um decelerator or something and make it go only say eight miles an hour.

It will not accelerate past that.

Yes.

Yes.

So there is there a reason why that couldn't be done for the whole city for every scooter.

Um I'm I'm a bicyclist myself.

I'm I'm riding I'm commute to work most days on my bike.

Um, if I'm slowed down to eight miles per hour on my entire commute, it's gonna take a long time.

It's if I'm also if there's not a bike lane and I'm forced to ride along the traffic, that's really yeah.

I'm just asking, is it feasible?

We haven't seen any other city across the country do that.

Well, I I've seen a lot of cities cancel these contracts because of scooters.

I did a lot of research on that.

So we already know that e-scooters is a big problem around the country.

I think what you'll see is that you will push it to more personal modules, which the city does not have control over, and you will not be able to regulate speed and things like that on those modules.

Well, my only question is can I think people are joy riding the bikes?

We know they are joy riding the scooters, and we know the underage kids because I see them and we all see them every day.

We know the kiddies are out there using the scooters, not the bike.

So my question is can you fix a scooter so it can only go, say, for example, eight miles an hour wherever they go?

And this is yes, we can.

Okay.

And I use eight because I think an average person can walk about four miles an hour.

So if they can double that by using a scooter, they're making a transportation trip where they don't have to walk, they're making a trip in half the time.

And for the problems that we are seeing here and everywhere else in the country that I work.

I'm glad to hear that if we could get someone, if we wanted to try to get with the council and the staff to find a way to eliminate this joy riding, that might be one way to do it.

I want to be careful that we're not speculating on the purposes of riders' rides, like we showed you there are people that are commuting to school, there are people that are commuting to work.

Um joy riding doesn't particularly determine that someone is having bad riding behavior, just no more as someone commuting to work can also engage in bad riding behaviors.

Um there are ways to curb it and there are ways to work with the city to do so.

But I just want to make sure that we're not completing joy riding and bad ridership.

Agreed.

I I would also say that eliminating scooters would not eliminate the program.

I mean, eliminating the ability to get to a scooter does not limit the ability to get to a bike, but they can go the same distance.

But we don't see people joy riding, we don't see 12-year-olds on bikes running around because they got a they already got a bike.

I'm just throwing out some of the stuff that I hear about um the issues that we're having in this town, and as I do the research, they're everywhere in the country.

Yeah, like just a deeper question.

So uh you can obviously geofence, you can limit speed, slow or no-go zones.

However, if I get to a hill like on 6th Street, is that it doesn't slow you down on a hill, right?

You can outlook it.

No, it actually would slow you down on the thrill or on a hill.

I was actually just riding through Minneapolis a few weeks ago, and we all found that out the hard way.

Um, but that's where we work with the cities and we work with citizens and what we talk about are rider experience and look at the practicalities of you know, if it is a really steep hill hill, is that somewhere we want to geofence for a slow area?

Is there maybe a larger through street that we could redirect traffic to things like that?

Okay.

And is that geofence map something that you could share with PVAC, or is that proprietary or only share the city's staff?

City city staff is who has access to that.

Okay.

Um yeah, I just I think it'd be interesting for this group to just be aware of like where that's been put in place or not around the community as well.

So if I can just add to that point, so one example when the complaint came in last year about the scooters on Sixth Street Southwest, we did implement a slow zone on the downhill side, and it did work.

I don't I can't, I don't know if it's in place, but we actually sent summer intern out on a scooter and followed them down a hill in a city vehicle and paste it, and then the slow zone kicked in.

So it may not have re-initiated for some reason this calendar year, but it was in place last summer.

I haven't touched it, it's just yeah, so they should still be in place.

Yeah, we spent a fair amount of time because again, Lyme works off of cell phone technology.

Some places, just like your cell phone, when it says you're parked in a search is more accurate than others.

So sometimes lining up these zones to get them to actually catch is a challenge.

But if they're so we did not limit the uphill speed, we worked several iterations to limit the downhill speed, and that was seen as a safety issue.

You know, I like we have an eight mile an hour slow zone through heart of the city.

I would challenge you to ride a scooter eight miles an hour when cars are whipping through there at 20.

It's not always safe to have a slow zone everywhere, including on Broadway Avenue.

That's a whole two two hour discussion.

But food for thought, there's additional context just on who has access to this the right-of-way space and so say that the more people feel unsafe utilizing the road or utilizing the bike lanes because cars are whizzing past them, is when you're going to see those sidewalk riding behaviors.

Yeah.

So I just to be clear, I'm not like advocating that everything goes eight miles an hour all the time.

It's more, I think this is also a great avenue as a community that if we institute better protected infrastructure, more people will use that as opposed to the road and sidewalk.

And that generally you'll see just yeah, more people that probably you don't see today out using our trails or protected infrastructure, all of that.

So I'm I'm all for it.

The last one I had would be um I'm aware of at least three locations.

I know it's happened elsewhere where folks are doing burnouts on the scooters.

And is that something that through the technology that can be detected where it's like the motor's running as fast as it possibly can, but the device is not going anywhere?

Yeah, so we actually have some proprietary technology right now that is being tested.

Um, it hasn't, it is by no means at a point to be rolled out fleet-wide across the United States.

Uh, but basically what it does is it can it's learned patterns of behavior.

So if you're doing a burnout, you know, you're getting a lot of acceleration on the back end of the wheel and your front end is gonna stop and it's gonna spin around.

It learns to recognize those patterns, and then in the same way that we're able to issue warnings and fines.

We can then the the goal would be yes, if this technology is able to be implemented once it's gone through its testing, that we roll it out fleet-wide across the United States.

Um, we also have tandem riding technology that we're working on.

So basically it senses points of contact on the scooter to discourage two people from riding, um, and a couple of other it can do um curb jumping kind of things like that to discourage that ride behavior, but um still working on it, but it is proprietary and it is something you only see with line vehicles in the line right now.

Do the scooter riders know when they're outside of the downtown area?

Or do they get some kind of message?

Yeah, so it'll says can't be on this.

You can be on sidewalks now outside, you can't.

No, we're never gonna encourage riding on the sidewalk.

Okay, yeah.

That's Minnesota state law.

You can't ride any scoop, any electric scooter, private or shared scooter service on state on the street.

And then also like an icon when you're in a slow zone, it'll like light up a turtle, and then to tell you that you're in a slow zone.

And like I said, we do our best to communicate with riders on the front end of their trips and also build thoroughways of where maybe we can keep the speed a bit higher using main roads um to encourage commuting that way.

And to back to a point was talking about the bike paths and they say no motorized vehicles.

Is our scooter riders able to ride on those bike paths or not?

So I I live in Southeast Rochester, and I hook up on the bike path to get downtown and you know do that.

Our lime scooters allowed on those bike panels.

So I think if you're in the city ordinance, it's it's not super clear.

So we're actually my team works in City Hall here.

Amy's teamwork and Terrence teamwork and community development.

We're actually starting to modernize, I would say modernize the city ordinances to get clarity on that.

For instance, a trail along the Zumborough River is not necessarily a future shared use path that will be along Sixth Street in a couple of years when the Sixth Street Bridge is built.

And then we have the emoto problem.

And then we get into speed limits and just people driving safely than that underpowered, no matter what device they're on.

So I would say um stay tuned in a couple months because we plan to upgrade all of that language to make sure it fits best riding practices and uh best standards from around the country that other cities have adopted.

Do you think it's the city of Rochester that puts up the signs that says no motor vehicles allowed in the trails, or do you think that's a federal requirement because federal dollars were used on the trail?

It would be city, and that's exactly what signs.

I think there's a combination of both, but yes, anywhere where we shared use path or the um trail meets the road, we generally install that signage.

So have you folks started to talk about the fact that we have e-bikes, we've had e-bikes for a few years now there on the past, and that's not legal.

We have scooters on the paths, and we have mini bikes and other stuff on the paths, and none of them are well, it depends.

Like the Steve was just saying, our ordinances are unclear.

So we're getting together to clarify some of that language.

I I believe depending on the definition of what you call a trail or shared shared use path, there's opportunities for motorized e-bikes or scooters to be on the path, but it depends on the speed they are traveling.

Right.

And then we have the definition between a class one and e-bike, a class two, which can be fully throttled control.

So our ordinance has been written a few years ago and not sophisticated enough to deal with those scenarios as utilization is evolved.

So, and then I think you touched on it earlier.

The use and the violations of private scooters is a growing thing in Rochester.

I say that anecdotally, we don't have counts, but I see every day just walking back and forth and downtown private scooter.

I see more problems with private scooter riders than I do lime scooter riders.

So uh again, and then we get into the enforcement of it's lime folks are here, they have control through a data system, doesn't mean they can accurately locate a scooter, whether it's an inch away in the shoulder of the road or on the sidewalk.

Technology is not to that level yet, but we have zero control over people buying personal scooters, and that's something the city needs to start to get older better.

Yeah, and I'm not so much interested in ordinances the fact that there's a sign on the trails.

There's been signs on the trails ever since I started working with the trail system when we had the money in 1991.

And the signs are always up too.

Yeah, I'm just going by signs, not ordinances.

Uh for the line folks have a question.

Um do you guys see differences between like the profile of scooter riders and e-bike riders?

Or maybe put another way, given that the scooters seem to make they get more rides, I imagine they make more money and they're probably easier to handle because of weight and size.

Like, what is the reason for having e-bikes as part of the fleet in Rochester?

That is something that the city requested and wanted that module available to citizens.

Um, we do see slightly different ridership.

Um groups that may not be able to paddle things like that, tend to prefer the scooters.

People who prefer seated methods prefer the bikes.

Um we've rolled something out recently in some of our markets.

That's a combination between the two.

So yeah, it just kind of depends on the rider and what experience they're looking for.

People tend to prefer the bikes for a little bit longer trips, as you alluded to, um, and then the scooters for shorter trips, but that doesn't mean that we don't see a scooter taken 20 miles.

In the uh there's a five-year contract.

And in the contract, are there options for um say a review by the city staff or so we want to review the split between the bikes and the scooters?

Is there an option to talk about anything that can be amended or changed somehow during those five years?

We take feedback from city staff on um how they would like the split to be candidly in this market.

It's also about what is available.

Um our larger markets take a majority of the bikes and they're much harder to justify getting into smaller markets.

Um it's but we do work with cities if we can catch shipments that might have vehicles that um could be moved into Rochester.

I believe we were at not a huge jump, but we were at closer to 40 bikes last year and are up to 60 this year.

So our we are doing our best to take into account some of that feedback.

And I'm from Columbus, Ohio myself, so I definitely see the Midwestern markets get overlooked at times, and that was part of the reason they brought me in.

Is that's a personal passion of mine, is just making sure that our markets receive the same intention as some of your coastal markets.

Yeah, when we when we hear from so many people, either anecdotally or coming to this meeting about all of the issues that they've seen and we've seen.

It's not just Lyme, it's all the vendors in the country.

Um we sometimes feel that with a five-year contract, what can we do?

But now that we're hearing that those contracts are open for, I guess you'd like say negotiations or adjustments during those years.

That at least gives us an avenue for us to try to hopefully work with the staff or the council or someone to start to address some of the issues that we're having that we can start to fix by doing something we may not have thought of.

Like, for example, if the scooters are what all the kiddies want to be on, we reduce the number of scooters, or we you know, we can find other ways to get to the problems.

We haven't had any deaths in the city that I know of either.

Yeah, not from our vehicles.

Well, I can't speak to the private ones, but right.

But we know there's a lot of deaths.

It's not your vehicles, it's just the technology, the e-scooters.

And that again is why.

I think there are good there are good things about longer contracts.

Like I I want you guys to get to know James and Max and our team and be able to approach us when you have issues.

You don't necessarily get that in your contract per se.

Um, we've had the privilege of working with Steve and Taryn and Matt to make sure that your program is the best it can be that we're receiving feedback from them.

And I think Max, James and their team, Tyler also do a really good job of like we're seeing a lot of vehicles congregated here.

Maybe we should implement a mandatory parking zone.

So for us, it's personal as well.

Um, and that's something that I most definitely want you all to be aware of is safety is always our top priority.

It's not to our advantage either if people are getting hurt on our vehicles, but having a vendor operator program gives the city much more control than forcing users over to private vehicles where the city may not have that level of control.

Oh, well, it's just I don't want to hog this, but the city could pass ordinance.

They they can make it mandatory to have licenses for anything they want to and control the use of just about anything out there that's I used.

Okay, um, I personally have a couple of different comments um and and topics.

So, first of all, I want to thank you all for coming down, flying in and driving down from the twin cities.

I know that you know, summertime can be hectic with vacations and everything else as well.

So we appreciate you being in person, and it's very, very helpful for us.

Um, a couple of things that I want to talk about.

We have heard generally, I have heard personally from council members and from other people in our community that parking has been better.

So I want to commend you on making that happen.

And I want to also request that you know you said that you're looking at making more parking pins in different places.

Who are you collaborating with to make those parking pins better?

Um we work with Taryn um and their team, but we always are welcome to work with you guys.

If you have any suggestions, please send them our way.

Um we really view this program as being collaborative with the city.

And really at the end of the day, we're all on the same team.

Like it we want to advocate free bikes to get more infrastructure benefits, our riders, all of those things.

So any place we can collaborate.

Um, I'll make sure um they both have my email address, but if you don't mind sharing it with the committee, please email me personally if you have anything.

Um, would love to get that feedback.

Great.

And we also have Tyler's been uh in Rochester with Lyme for the entire time Lime's been down here five years now.

Um so he has a ton of experience with what works for parking, what doesn't.

Um, with all the construction going on, it's been a big challenge for me.

So would love to collaborate on and Steven and Terren, do you work with with his name again?

I'm sorry.

Tyler, do you work with Tyler directly, or do you work with the line committee itself or Tyler is going to be doing like the physical rebalances of the scooters, the swapping of the batteries, the adjusted parking.

Um we meet with Karen and Mike every two weeks um to talk more about infrastructure and then any feedback that is communicated to us, um, especially if it's operations related, I pass that along to James and Max who decided.

But Tyler has in the past and does respond to city feedback.

Feet on the ground, yeah, I would you not want to have that person in a meeting with the people who are in the same city that he's in, right?

So I won't tell you how I won't say how you know conduct your business, but it seems to me like if you have somebody who's you know consistently going and picking up and dropping off scooters, they probably have a good insight.

I'm sure your stats do as well, because that's all tracked as well.

But it seems to me like you want to have the person who's you know we we talked, they they're in touch with him daily, hourly, probably during those days.

Excellent.

And I so the other thing I want to say is I'm not a fan of um resetting after two infractions and parking ones correctly.

Like I would imagine there's some kind of threshold that you could put into place to I mean if I if I have two infractions per week and I'm like, well, I know I can just leave it here, you know, I'm not gonna get fined, and then a week later I'm like, well, I'm just gonna leave it here and not get fined.

Like eventually you're gonna see you know that bad habit continuing, right?

But because your statutes don't or your standards don't have a rising exponential threshold, you're not gonna potentially weed out that person, right?

So that's just my personal feedback on that as well.

You can take that back to our legal team next year.

Um, the next thing that I have is um talking speed.

So Steve, you did confirm that the sixth street does have a speed delimiter of eight miles per hour going down the hill and not delimited up the hill.

Is that correct?

Correct.

Okay.

And so that's the one place like we talked about.

So that's great.

Um, just maybe if you can make that confirmation back to Steve so that we know that that's still that'd be great.

Well, if somebody writes that is still there.

Sweet.

Okay, cool.

Um, the next request that I have or or want to have an understanding of is now that we know I assumed it was, and I did I looked in your documentation, I didn't see it necessarily.

But 15 miles per hour is the max speed that a scooter can go.

Do you proactively look at scooters that are going beyond that 15 miles per hour in okay?

But if you're going down a hill, you can on a hill, right?

Yeah, I don't I see what you're saying.

Yeah, so if there, I mean, we know we have other hills.

I'm thinking Viola, right?

Because is one of the, you know, and I don't know how many scooters are out there, but I know there are healers definitely in our city that one could go and take a scooter at a very fast pace.

Um, hit a pod bolt, make a wrong turn, pivot in the wrong direction, have a co-rider with you, all of those things.

Do you proactively look at scooters that are going faster than that 15 miles per hour?

We do not.

I would love to be able to work with the city though, and draw up zones and identify those hills.

That would be fantastic.

And I I would I think it would be a very worthwhile thing to look at anything from you know, 17 to I mean, I don't know where you want to put your numbers at, right?

17, 19, 21, 23, you know, and again beyond that, um, and look at again warning the rider, the limiting at some point, even if you know, I don't know if we have to work with the city to say we want it to make this a delimited zone, or if you have that opportunity yourself.

Um I guess up to you and city staff as to how you guess would like to do that.

I'm just providing feedback on things that I think we could potentially have as a better so I don't I'm work with the city because our contract contract is with the city.

If we go ahead and implement a zone with up to cities, sure, cream lighter go ahead.

Then our system is gonna look somewhat different from their system.

There's confusion.

So that's why we have this proper process of the city needs to confirm before we can implement any zone.

That way we have our systems are one for one.

The city's aware of what our system or zone our zones are.

So it's always absolutely start to implement this forward and see you know potential areas for us to you know make writers safer.

Yeah, absolutely.

And then the other feedback which I already gave you is I would like to see a standard for um for joyriding or for you know anti-social riding.

I think that the more that we provide not only feedback to those who are doing it, but also again, like saying, hey, you know, we noticed this in the past, we'd like to make sure you know warnings and that kind of thing as well.

start to implement this forward and see you know potential areas for us to you know make writers safer right absolutely um and then the other feedback which i already gave you is i would like to see a standard for um for joy writing or for you know anti-social writing i think that the more that we provide not only feedback to those who are doing it but also again like saying hey you know we noticed this in the past we'd like to make sure you know warnings and that kind of thing as well but I want them to know whether you know what is our strict or stricter you know guidelines towards that instead of just saying well we noticed that you know this writer had this past and you know this is a one-off type situation I'd much rather have a standard to say here's what you here's what happens here's where we get restricted and you know here's where we'd like you to do better using this device on a safe you know daily basis right and the last thing I have um is we talked about it last time and I'm not sure where we landed with this but we know that we know that we have underage riders using the mime scooters in the city of Rochester.

Do beyond the checking the check box create an account to say I am over 18 years old is there any verification process happens?

There is not we have technology to do that and have informed the city and gone in depth with them on that technology um from there it's a policy decision on the city side um there are legitimate concerns about that it can discriminate against different demographics without ID things like that um there's kind of halfway approaches we've seen cities take that maybe they only turn it on on the weekends after 9 p.m things like that um but we have provided all that information to the city um and they have made us aware that they're talking through the policy and implications of what turning on that technology is that's that's all right here that is everything that I had on my list um so I'll turn it over to anybody else page or anybody else that would like to talk.

I have one quick question I guess for this stuff because there um like for reports of incidents uh for example like like this case of uh someone crashing onto a parked line scooter does the city have like a central record of of these like would this be the police or somewhere else yeah I mean well I mean there's generally a police report so do we at least the city hall get a download every month no we have to individually request those report and yeah not everybody files a police report so it's hard to get an accurate number when we don't have an accurate reporting system.

Gotcha and the one last thing that I have for staff is have have you thought about and are you open to potentially having three one on the scooter itself for riders to report or give other means of feedback beyond taking QR code.

You mean as in to put a sticker for example yes there.

It's not something we contemplated um I don't see why not but something we'd be open to discussing and looking at the groups and speaking on behalf I think I shared you can also report it's been shared you can report to pre-wind when I look to see what we've seen just for this season and it's been little reports maybe four for sidewalk riding and one parked on the sidewalk so perhaps that's another avenue to consider we'd have to talk best for one possible and what Matt Lynch returns here about a month uh he had been already working with it before he went on and leave um our communications team to better share in daylight how to report things and safe riding habits so um we do have a campaign that's kind of ready to come out uh more actively to get the word out um yeah that's again that was I'm glad you brought that up I did not write it down but that was another one when we were talking about this program that we talked about for eride safe right you know where in our community are that being shared with who you know besides you know putting on new stations and radio stations you know what are the other avenues that we have locally like in Thursdays downtown or some of the other farmers markets and you know other areas of outreach via school in the schools exactly we're also always happy to share examples of what we've seen other cities have success doesn't always mean it'll translate one for one but for sure.

Any other questions comments or anything wonderful thank you again I appreciate you all for you showing up and thanks for having us you're welcome anytime you want these back yeah before we go um I this is not on the agenda but I did want to um make note that we are seeing uh a new face here today so uh Paige Burris has been um selected to be on our commission so you can find the interview process so um but I guess maybe to put you on the thought page you want to tell us just a little bit about yourself and then we'll just have the table and talk about all the other members as well.

Sure.

My name is Paige I am a K38 music teacher in Goodhue.

I have a lot of interest in the safety of children, people with disabilities, all kinds of different aspects of people who may or may not be overlooked by whatever sense I just got here.

So I have no idea what we do or don't overlook, but I assume not much.

Um, but I am interested in being part and seeing what this is about and where my perspective can call into the next time.

Just a little bit just giving a quick introduction.

I am in my first term.

Um I'm the vice chair here.

I just coincidence happen to be a transportation a government transportation planner for 40 some years.

So I have been involved actually in the in the bike rail program for quite a long time here and in other places.

Uh hi, I'm Mike.

Um, I've been on the committee for about a year and a half.

Um walk and bike primarily in town is the main form of kind of commuting and also decoration stuff.

And yeah, similarly, just want to um kind of want to learn how the sort of local government impacts, you know, that sort of experience and all and you know, uh advocated for I'm David, uh retired teacher.

Um this is my first year on the commission, and uh so I'm learning uh as I go.

And uh I'm a biker, welcome for interested in creating a downtown area that is culture of lingering.

Biking, walking, you know.

Going to businesses and spending time and money in our downtown and make it uh vibrant in ways that uh are attractive to everybody that lives here.

Thanks, David.

My name is Mike Schmidt.

Uh, I am the chair of the Price Investment Commission.

This is my last year on this commission.

I've been here for a long time.

I think uh soluble quite a bit.

Um I'm a runner by uh choice, uh biker through commuting and just have been in this town for 26 years.

So I've seen a change a lot in you know both growth and some kind of congestion as well.

So trying to make sure that you know everybody has access to all the abilities to you know have transportation outside of the view as almost all blockable rows and everything too.

So um that's my nice to meet you, Paige.

I'm Aaron Buckley.

I have been on uh PVAC for about three years or so.

Um to your first meeting.

This is actually going to be my last meeting.

I will be moving um here next week.

And um my day job, I help work in transportation at Mayo Clinic, and then otherwise uh serve on the lead bike rochester board as well.

And um, yeah, this is a great committee.

So enjoy it.

Yeah, it's been really fun.

And it's been great to work with everybody here.

Thank you.

Um hi, I'm Ala Larishal.

Um, I grew up in Rochester and then moved away for about 20 years, came back um when I had my first kid.

I have two kids, A two and four.

I have a pedestrian focus on the committee.

Um out with my kids a lot in the thriller.

And this year I did my first um full year of my community's my job.

I teach at RCTC from the English department.

Um here because you know, I know what it's like to not have a car um in this town, and um meetings being around in order to get to work, um, both when I was a kid and now as a single car family um investor.

So um just here to help advocate for alternate transit and yeah, be glad to get welcome.

I got one question for Aaron.

The guy who was sitting there for Mayo, he said he was overall transportate is my work directly with Tony.

Okay, all right.

Yes, hey Paige, I'm Amy Kriaski, I'm the assistant city engineer.

Um I work in public and I am sitting here on the commission.

Um day job, uh, oversee a lot of our construction uh infrastructure projects uh and also permitting.

So uh I work day to day on logistics of how people get around its town.

So both you know during construction, also during future reconstruction projects.

I haven't introduced myself ever.

Uh I work with the community development department and actually here because I supervise Matt Lynch, he's our motor chip coordinator.

All right with that is there a motion to one more I was just gonna say that our next meeting date is August 10th thank you now we can vote for a motion all right now is there a motion uh yeah motion so move okay I think Aaron should second all right I'll ever say aye I'll post a thank you very much but I mean a screw your last motion sorry now it's the motion to repear I bring all your I'll be I'll be coming back yeah just