0:02Call the committee meeting to order.
0:04Clerk, could you please call the roll?
0:16Six committee reports before us.
0:19Item number one, plat number five of Woodhill subdivision for the property located at 5101 and 5115 Woody Ranch Lane.
0:29Is there a motion on the floor?
0:31So motion and a second.
0:37Seeing none, uh Clerk, could you please call the roll?
0:48Item number two at 714 Broadway.
0:50Uh the liquor and tobacco advisory board recommends approval for the sale of tobacco products in conjunction with a tobacco store in a C4 urban mixed use district at 714 Broadway with Damian Lyman doing business as Dala Dame Smoke Shop.
1:06Is there a uh motion on the floor?
1:16Seeing no motion, the item will fail.
1:21Uh moving on to item number three.
1:24At 2614 and 2600 Kilburn Avenue.
1:29Uh Liquor and Tobacco Advisory Board recommends approval for the sale of packaged liquor in conjunction with a grocery store in a C2 limited commercial zoning district at 2614 and 2600 Kilburn Avenue with Samabi Patel and Shiv Dristi doing business as Jasmine Pantry.
1:45Is there a motion on the floor?
1:51We have a motion and a second.
1:52Clerk, could you please call the roll?
1:58Um just want to say I do not believe that we need to be selling liquor at this establishment.
2:08I would be voting no at council.
2:11Um with respect to the all of woman uh in advocating for for this to move forward.
2:17I made a motion today, but I'll be voting no.
2:21Uh any further discussion.
2:24Uh clerk, could you please call the roll on item number three?
2:41The zoning board of appeals recommends approval for a special use permit for a planned unit development for an RV and fifth wheel only community in an R1 single family residential zoning district at 2530, 2710, and 2720 South Main Street.
2:57Uh Midwest Yard Holdings is the applicant.
3:00Is there a motion on the floor?
3:06I'll second the motion.
3:07Um any discussion on item number four at on South Main Street.
3:21This is a tough item.
3:24Um just kind of want to walk through the process um with this one.
3:30First, I did attend the initial zombie board meeting for this item.
3:38And that's when I first learned about um the grievances from the residents.
3:43Um, I was very concerned with that.
3:46Um actually has moved out today, but some of the some of the other things that I did was I I felt it very important to listen to the concerns of the residents.
3:58Oh, yeah, I'll play the door time, but again, concern to hear about from the residents.
4:04Um just felt it was important, so we met on a Saturday.
4:07Um we had Alder Woman Granite was there, Alder Woman Meeks, Alderman Prunti.
4:13Thank you all for showing up for the residents so they can be heard.
4:17Um sat down with the attorney of the new developer.
4:21Um I've read every single email.
4:24I've I've had conversations here, so I I really try to do my due diligence just to make sure that ultimately the voice of the resident was heard, but we also were able to offer services to the residents.
4:37I felt like we want to see the city do a better job in situations like this.
4:44Um, especially like when it went through zoning, I think there was an opportunity there for us to get in front of that, knowing that we would be potentially displacing 120 people just to get in front of that to say we kind of see it's coming down the pipeline, so what can we do to get in front of it?
5:01Um so perhaps in the future we can be more mindful about the work that we do is always to serve people first.
5:11So I have had extensive conversations with attorney Rod Regret, excuse me, Rodriguez.
5:19Um we have talked today, and they have come up with a plan to help the residents the best that they can.
5:27I can certainly appreciate that the developer has tried to do the most if they can, right?
5:33They don't have to give a package, but they're offering one.
5:37They have gone up significantly in the amount that they originally offered.
5:42Um they're also willing to um I don't want to say this wrong, so I'm gonna read my email just to make sure I got this the verbiage.
5:52Um we're ultimately going to be wanting the the residents to elect to participate in a program, a package within 30 days, and then they would have 60 days thereafter to move.
6:16So it almost gives them pretty close to 90 days additional um time after this, but again, I'm giving all the background to say that I ultimately I am going to say yes to move this forward.
6:30Um while I certainly feel for and have empathy for the residents and their concerns, I do I don't think that the developer coming forward is a couple things are happening.
6:48I don't think that the the whoever the current seller is, they they're not doing anything wrong by wanting to sell their property.
6:54Um I know that the the residents were concerned that they weren't informed that we should have given additional zoning uh warnings according to our legal department that it's not a legally we're not required to do that.
7:10Um so I think the city did all they could and on that aspect of things, um, but I don't again what I feel like is what's being presented is probably the better option to move it to the RV park.
7:24Um so again, I will be voting to support to move this forward, um, but just knowing that the residents are taken care of.
7:35Um Health and Human Services Department was present at the meeting.
7:39Um they had plenty of information, plenty of packets they know how to get in contact with services to help them in the transition should they have issues.
7:49Um, I did get another letter from um was a signed letter by maybe five or six different residents just supporting the project.
7:58So, you know, I've just kind of heard from both sides of it.
8:02Um, but I did try again to do my due diligence to make sure that I'm gonna say it for the fifth time that the residents' voices were heard and that um they will ultimately have support um during this transition.
8:17Um, and again, I just want to thank my colleagues for just showing up and being willing to help, and um I really really really appreciate Alder Woman Granit because I don't know, I didn't know the first thing about camping culture and RV parks and she does, and so it was really it was nice to work with her to be able to answer, get some of the questions answered because I wouldn't even know how to ask some of these things without um her expertise in the area, so I appreciate that.
8:47Um I think that's the remainder of my comments unless you might have any more questions about something I might have forgotten.
8:55Thank you, Alderman Trina.
8:56Fun fact about older one granite.
8:58Thank you for sharing.
8:59Um thank you, uh yeah, Alderman Trina for uh for providing that uh more of the social context there.
9:07I think it's difficult for others, uh others around the horseshoe here to understand like an SUP or a PUD and how it affects kind of the social context.
9:16So thank you for that.
9:17Any further discussion?
9:19Uh clerk, could you please call the roll on item number four?
9:36Item number five is a proposed lift assist ordinance.
9:40Is there a motion on the floor?
9:43We have a motion, is there a second?
9:45We have a motion and a second.
9:54And I was Tunberg's not either, but I like you more.
9:58So we'll go with you, Beach.
10:01Chairman, for the committee on your committee.
10:05If I repeating, right?
10:07There was a fee established, or at least proposed fee of 470 dollars after the sixth time.
10:15So my concern is if this is going to apply to the residents as well as businesses, should there be a different responsibility for a business, a for-profit business?
10:27When they call like a high rise calling the fire department out.
10:32If I'm not mistaken, I've seen calls wallet.
10:36You have a fire truck with four farm.
10:42That's six, sometimes even an administrator.
10:46And they can be there two hours or something more than that for $470.
10:53So I'm just asking the question should the fee connected with this be different for the residents as opposed to the business.
11:03It's a good question.
11:04Chief Tile, I'll swing it over to you.
11:06I think Director Hammer.
11:10So the statute that was enacted to allow us to adopt a lymph assist fee only applies to assisted living facilities or nursing halls.
11:23So the fee would be assessed against an assisted living facility or a nursing hall.
11:31Well, let me see if I'm reading this wrong.
11:43I had it right up here.
12:04Well, I can't find my own right now, but I thought it said all uses services, rescue services that all residents of the city of Rockford expect.
12:16No does that just mean assisted living?
12:21I are you reading those of where house on this other it may be that this lift assistment allows us to recover the costs allocated for those lift assists at assisted living and nursing homes, so we can't focus on providing services to the taxpayers and that's right here.
12:49Okay, if someone came to your house.
13:02Now this is on assisted living facilities, so uh I believe I read there's six allowed, and then after that the fee comes into play.
13:12Um, I would think that a place like Wesley Willows or Fairhaven, they're gonna burn through that six probably within a few days.
13:21So the you know, and I I understand the burden on our fire department on these lift assists, and if I'm not mistaken, it's more of a uh a liability issue why that these uh facilities will not lift somebody that fell and just literally needs to be lifted back into bed or in a chair, and so yes, thank our legal system on that attorney uh so but here's here's an issue.
14:00I I just so I can understand the and in and the and the cost to the city on these calls is immense.
14:09Um but now we're going we're going to implement this on our assisted living facilities, um which could put a cost burden on them as well.
14:22We don't have any cost when we have calls to RA facilities, Rockford Housing Authority, uh, and they are called to do some of these same things there.
14:39Do we charge RAJ after six calls?
14:43Uh I think I already know the answer to that.
14:45Um so I mean it's almost going back to the conversation we had regarding the public schools pitching in a little bit on services that I think we as a city are offering to their benefit.
15:15For instances like this.
15:16I would defer to that she tile actually.
15:20No we're not currently building billing those facilities.
15:26There are there is a RH property that I'm aware of that does have like maybe a certain floor that's dedicated that has dedicated staff.
15:33I think when it triggers that assisted living or nursing home, um there needs to be 24-hour staffing or qualified staffing to be able to care for those residents, and some of the RHA facilities do not require that, and so I think that's where that the you know separates us from what we can and can't do underneath uh this the state law director Hagerty.
15:56Yeah, just to add a little bit here, the the assisted living facilities and nursing homes were the facilities included in the state statute because the residents of those facilities are paying for medical support services that the agencies are then relying on our fire department to provide RHA, the the bulk of RHA residents are not paying RHA to provide medical support services to them while we wouldn't bill RHA for arriving at the property when we do arrive and transport a patient, we're billing that individual's health insurance, whatever that may be for the transport specifically.
16:39So, but their RHA doesn't staff their facilities with medical professionals to provide medical services like a nursing home or an assisted living facility would understandable um well I think maybe further thought, but uh right now it's thank you.
17:02Any further discussion?
17:04Older woman mixed so much for allowing me to speak in your committee.
17:07I just want to ask does an independent living community also apply as the uh assisted living.
17:18Uh I'm familiar with independent living senior living communities that also do not staff properly in certain times, and so they utilize the fire department very frequently for lift assists.
17:38So are are they included in this?
17:41The short answer and the the definition of assistant facility is provided by the state statute, so it requires that two three or more persons who reside in residential setting and are not related to the owner of residential setting.
18:01Um it includes a home and apartment or other facility.
18:06So it's possible that that it would be case dependent on the circumstances.
18:11It's case by case, yeah.
18:13Okay, thank you so much.
18:16Any further discussion?
18:18Seeing none, clerk, could you please call the roll on item number five?
18:23I mean that's thank you.
18:31Item number six is a proposed amendment regarding committee chair and vice chair selection.
18:36Is there a motion on the floor?
18:38Sir second motion, a second, any discussion.
18:41Chairman Alderman Bell.
18:42Make a motion to lay this item over, please.
18:46Uh we have a motion and a second for a layover.
18:49Uh, I believe we need to take a vote on that layover, correct?
18:52There was a second, correct?
18:54Yes, then the motion is laid over.
18:58Clerk, could you please call the rule?
19:07Moving along to uh resolutions.
19:10We have two resolutions before us.
19:11Item number one, River District Association and City of Rockford Street Parkland program.
19:16Uh is there a motion on the floor?
19:18There's a motion and a second, any discussion?
19:25Um, my question is I I really like these parklets.
19:30In my head, I call it parklet, but maybe I'll just flow into that part, but um, I really like the one that's in front of wood fire.
19:39My question is why are we just proposing this for the river district and not all of Rockford?
19:53So um the river district are uh is the business district that is reached out and express interest in it.
20:03Absolutely, if business districts like say the town or Broadway business district were interested, I believe this could be scale to include them.
20:15But at this point, river districts, you have the money who's reached out to ask about it.
20:23Would it not just be smarter to just do the whole city at once?
20:26So other people did.
20:27Well, tell me the re you know, you may have a different reason.
20:31So I think it could it could work in other business districts.
20:38I don't know that we would do it throughout the entire city.
20:41I don't see these happening over like on the state stream, um out east, but um example.
20:50If if Midtown was interested, this would absolutely be used for that.
20:58I guess what I'm saying is that because there are other districts that could benefit from this, why would we wait for somebody else to ask?
21:05Wouldn't it just be cleaner to just do one citywide ordinance that cover the whole city?
21:10If in that within the parameters of what was here, um I mean I I guess it could it could be handled that way, yes, but right now river district.
21:25Thank you, Chairman.
21:30I'll pass it back to you, Terry.
21:31Uh Alderman Trina, go ahead.
21:33I guess I don't feel like I got the like a clear answer on that.
21:38Like why wouldn't I like the question is would it just be cleaner to do it for the whole city?
21:45So I I can answer that question, Terry.
21:48Maybe there's a reason I'm slightly understand why the primary reason is because we had an operating partner that was willing to do the due diligence in advance of it coming to City of Rockford staff with the river district.
22:00If it is the desire of the city council as a whole to have a parklet program in all the urban areas, we're more than willing to work on that for an expansion.
22:11Is that like a lot of work?
22:13Um, you know, when it's it's not a tremendous amount of work, no.
22:18Um the historical benefit is it's taken some of the pressure off staff on making sure that uh communities and the businesses associated with it accepted it and had the river district do some of that lake work versus landing on the staff or the alderman of the water.
22:36Okay, that's what I needed to hear.
22:46I I'm gathering my thoughts.
22:48I can uh vouch for some of what uh Director Cagnoni said as I was alderman of uh most of the river district down there at the time when this came through.
23:00Uh the River District Association did in fact do a lot of the legwork on it.
23:06Uh and it was kind of a unique thing.
23:08Um I I appreciate uh Alder Matrina on proposing for us for maybe a citywide thing.
23:17I can tell you though that what may fly in one area uh may not fly in another area, uh, and meaning in in relation to that, some business owners may be in majority that don't want it.
23:33Uh in the case of the river district, there was uh a couple that were uh against and one that was adamantly against, and actually referred to these as hillbilling porches.
23:48So uh that this uh this isn't always accepted in maybe other areas, and that would be kind of a word of caution, maybe if if midtown, for instance, majority of individuals uh or businesses wanted wanted it, then obviously that shows, but uh if a majority didn't and it was put through on a citywide level, they really wouldn't have a majority of those people that were against it in midtown, really wouldn't have a say then uh if it was a citywide initiative.
24:24So yeah, good point.
24:26The chief concern I hear is uh usually safety in the streets um with these type of parklets uh too.
24:33So thank you, Alderman Thunberg.
24:37I mean, probably like others, I don't want a definition of what it is, but I'll move on.
24:42Um I think that should be redacted out of the minutes.
24:47Um thank you for allowing me to speak on this item.
24:50The river district, uh the third I have the river, some of the river district in the 13th board, along with yourself and I believe uh maybe even Alderwoman Torino.
25:02The River District, like the third word Alderman mentioned, has advocated for this.
25:15And so I mean, maybe Steph, if you guys want to uh meet with this specific alderman or propose something of that nature.
25:25Um but I do think separating the areas would be um ideal given the fact that we've done this already in the river district, and so we're bringing this back.
25:39So this is we're bringing this.
25:43And I I could imagine that there could be some traffic um stipulations or what have you, or modifications I should say, um in other areas, and so maybe those that programming plan has to be created specifically for them.
25:59Um but should it come forward?
26:01I'm I'm definitely in support of expanding this program.
26:05Thank you, Alderman Bell.
26:06Any further discussion seeing none, Clerk, could you please call the roll on item number one?
26:20Uh fight alone item on the agenda, item number two, request for authorization to allow the zoning officer to file text amendments for multiple sections of the zoning ordinance.
26:30Uh is there a motion on the floor?
26:32So there's a motion and a second.
26:36Let's make a motion over this item over, please.
26:41Is there a second second?
26:46We have a uh motion, a second to lay the item over.
26:49Clerk, could you please call the roll on the layover?
27:04Well, that concludes the code and regulation committee uh meeting for this evening.
27:07Do I have a uh motion to adjourn?
27:11We have a motion and a second.