Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

If we could please have our Spanish interpretation services statement.

Good afternoon.

Hello.

Sierra Necesita Servicios Interpretación in Español estamos in la cabina de atrás.

Gracias.

All right, thank you so much.

My name is John Bustamante, and I am the chair of the zoning commission of the City of San Antonio, as well as the District 5 zoning commissioner.

The time is 102, and I hereby call this regularly noticed meeting of the City of San Antonio Zoning Commission into session.

All right.

I like to do roll call by allowing the zoning commissioners to introduce themselves, starting with the commissioner on my far left.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Marco Barros, District 9.

Rob Sipes, District 7.

John Kelly, District 8.

Daniel Kellum, District 1.

Mia Losef, District 2.

John Whitzett, District 10.

George Inojosa, District 3.

ADP Rodriguez, District 4.

Kinhuit, District 6.

General Chase, Mayor's Office.

All right, staff, is a quorum present?

Yes, the quorum is present.

All right, very good.

We're gonna go a little bit out of order here because I want to take a point of personal privilege privilege to welcome uh three new commissioners for those who have nothing better to do but watch these meetings.

Uh you will notice that we do in fact have three new commissioners.

We have uh Commissioner Mia Losef from District 2.

We have uh Commissioner Rodriguez from District 4, and we have Commissioner Kelly from District 8.

And so we welcome them, we welcome uh their expertise and knowledge that they bring to this commission, and so we look forward to having them here.

All right, at this time, if everyone would please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the rebuttal for which it stands one nation under God.

All right, prior to beginning our meeting.

Uh if staff would please review our meeting format for the benefit of those in the audience.

Staff, if you would.

Before I begin, please turn your phones on vibrate or turn them off.

The zoning commission is an 11-member body appointed by the city council to make recommendations on zoning cases.

Upon receiving a recommendation from the commission, you will have six months from the date of the commission's recommendation to forward your case to City Council.

If you have any questions regarding this procedure, please contact your case manager.

Staff will begin each case with a short presentation of the request.

Part of the presentation includes a map that will show the area to be considered for rezoning and property within 200 feet of the subject property.

Check marks indicate those property owners in favor of the request, and an X indicate those property owners in opposition.

Following this presentation and any questions by the commission, the applicant will present their request.

For those that have signed up to speak for or against the proposed rezoning, you will be called in the order that you are signed up to speak.

Those in support and opposition will be allowed a maximum of three minutes per speaker, and you are not obligated to utilize the maximum time limitation.

You will be informed that the three minutes are up.

For those that would like to give their time to a speaker, that will that speaker will be allowed a maximum of two people giving their time for a total of nine minutes.

Those giving up their time must be present and signed in to speak.

And please announce when that speaker is going up to the podium that you are yielding your time.

The applicant then will be given an opportunity for rebuttal limited to one speaker with a three-minute time limit, along with an opportunity to address commission questions.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you.

All right, do we have any withdrawn postpone items on this agenda?

Mr.

Chair.

Yes.

I believe the uh the agenda that's shown it's not the correct one that we're working on that right now.

That is a good point.

Uh staff will work on that.

At this time, staff, if you would please read the items uh that are currently on the consent agenda.

Items on the combined hearing are item number one, two, three, six, seven, nine, eleven, twelve, thirteen, and fifteen.

Okay.

All right, thank you so much.

No, I'm sorry.

So item three is actually being continued.

You wanted to move to the continuance document.

And it's not item 13 that's on the consent.

It's uh move to individual, it's item 14 that is to stay on the consent agenda.

Okay.

I'm going to read the numbers back to you.

Thank you.

One, two, six, seven, nine, eleven, twelve, fourteen, fifteen.

Is that the list?

That is correct.

Okay.

Uh, commissioners.

Any items to be pulled to individual from that list of items.

Looking to my left, seeing none.

Looking to my right, seeing none.

Looking remotely, seeing none.

Um, if we could, could we read those items that are currently on the consent agenda into the record, please?

Item number one, consideration of amendments to chapter thirty-five unified development code to conform to changes in state law as a result of the eighty-ninth Texas legislative session.

Item number two, a request for a change of zoning.

I'm sorry, staff, one second.

We have the wrong items uh prepped up.

So the presentation was wrong.

We still have the one fifty-seven broad view from last week, which was, you know, about six blocks from where I grew up, as long as we're just killing time here.

So apologies, we're having some technical difficulties.

All right.

I didn't want to threaten this.

I've been using uh the girl from Eponema as my go-to song, but since my daughter's been watching K-pop Demon Hunters, uh, I'm afraid you might get a uh rendition of one of those songs now.

So you know, here's hoping staff will be somewhat quick about it.

And like it would only be like five seconds of any of one of those songs, because that's all that's stuck in my head, but it's like four or five of them.

So we have that going for us.

I'm enjoying stand up.

We should be able to do that.

No one wants to hear me so.

I don't know, Mr.

Sparrow.

I might get you up and just give the full UDC presentation because there's nothing worse than dead air.

I'll bring the baby.

There we go.

There's some entertainment.

All right, and just for uh the audience's benefit, these uh UDC amendments are changes to our unified development code uh that were required because of legislation that passed the Texas House and is now sorry, the Texas legislature and state government.

Um, there is the baby.

Yay.

I'm glad we got this little check-in with the baby.

Um but these are these are changes to our local regulations that are required by state law.

And so that's all that these items are.

Um technically we are voting on them, but of course, the city is not going to be in violation of state law.

Um, so they will be passed.

No, there is no hazing on the zoning commission.

We are not going to make the new commissioners sing.

All right.

So are we good to go?

If if you give me confirmation to go, we can go.

Let's do it.

All right.

Number one.

Yes.

Item number one, consideration of amendments to Chapter 35, the Unified Development Code to conform to the changes in state law as a result of the 89th Texas legislative session.

Item number two, the request for a change of zoning from C two and C two AHOD to MXD with a maximum density of twenty-five units per acre located at eleven sixty-two five old Corpus Christi Road.

All overlays to remain the same.

Ninety notices of sent one in favor, zero opposed.

Outside two hundred feet, one in favor, zero opposed.

There is no neighborhood association within two hundred feet.

Item number six is a request for a change of zoning from C three and C three R to C two C D with a conditional use for lumber yard and building materials.

Located at twenty-five twelve Southwest loop four ten, all overlays to remain the same.

Twenty-seven notices sent out, zero in favor, zero opposed.

Lackland Terrace Neighborhood Association gave no response.

Sorry.

Item number 15.

A request for a change of zoning from C3R to C2 C D with a conditional use for auto pain and body repair with outside storage vehicles and auto parts permitted, but totally screened from view of adjacent property owners and public roadways.

Located at 3218,000 Oaks Drive.

All other overlays remain the same.

16 notice assent, two in favor, one opposed, and there is no neighborhood association register within 200 feet.

All right.

Is there any public comment?

We do have one voicemail.

If we could play the voicemail, please.

And I'm calling because I haven't even had a week to review this.

And I feel like you're not given enough a time to understand this.

And I I want to day the holiday, so uh I'm concerned that I don't know what this is about.

I I know you want to change the zoning, but I don't know why, other than I think somebody's wanting to build some apartment.

Um I'd like to know more about it and be given more time to consider this.

Thank you.

My name is Sarah Jones.

My phone number 210 315 0999.

Thank you.

That is it for public comment on those items.

All right, very good.

Um is there a motion?

Mr.

Chair.

I move to approve item number one, two, six, seven, nine, eleven, twelve, fourteen, and fifteen.

Is there a second?

I'll second that.

All right.

Uh there is a motion for approval as read by Commissioner Huey with a second by Commissioner Boros.

Uh discussion, commissioners to my left, seeing none.

Commissioners to my right, seeing none remotely, seeing none.

Uh motion is for approval of items one, two, six, seven, nine, eleven, twelve, fourteen, and fifteen by commissioner Huey with second by Commissioner Bottles.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum.

Yes.

Commissioner Losa.

Yes.

Commissioner Inohosa.

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Witset?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase?

Yes.

Chair Bustamante?

I motion carries.

All right, very good.

If you are present for any of those items that we just went over, you are going on to city council.

You will have up to six months to bring that before City Council, and good luck to you.

But you have a recommendation of approval from this body.

All right.

Do we have a continuance docket?

We do.

Okay.

If we could do our September 16th continuous docket.

Continuance docket, please.

Item number eight is requesting a to be continuous to the September 16th hearing.

Okay.

Item number eight is a district five case, so it is to me.

I move to continue item number eight to September 16th.

Is there a second?

Second.

There is a second by Commissioner Woodsett.

Any discussion?

Looking left, seeing none.

Looking right, seeing none.

Looking remotely, seeing none.

Uh there is a motion for continuance of item number eight to September 16th by me with a second by Commissioner Woodsett.

Roll call vote, please.

Chair Bustamante?

Aye.

Commissioner Woodsett?

Yes.

Commissioner Callum.

Yes.

Commissioner Losa.

Yes.

Commissioner I know.

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Huey?

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase?

Yes.

Motion carries.

All right.

Very good.

Is there a second continuance docket?

Yes, there is.

All right.

If we could have that item, please.

Items requesting a five-week continuum as to the October 7th hearing are item number three.

Item number three is a district five case, so it is to me.

I move to continue item number three to October 7th.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Woodsett.

Discussion looking left, seeing none.

Discussion looking right, seeing none.

Discussion remotely seeing none.

The motion is for continuance to October 7th for item number three by me with a second by Commissioner Watson.

Roll call vote, please.

Chair Bustamante.

Aye.

Commissioner Witset?

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum.

Yes.

Commissioner Losa.

Yes.

Commissioner Inoza.

Yes.

Commission Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes.

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly.

Yes.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase.

Yes.

Motion carries.

Very good.

All right.

At this time we will move on to our individual hearing docket.

And that docket will begin with item number four.

Good afternoon, zoning commissioners.

My name is Edado Gomez Zoning Cedar Plan with Development Services.

Item number four is located at 4211 Boxwood Road, going from R20 residential single family district to R6 C D residential single family district with a conditional use for two dwelling units.

There were 21 notices sent out, zero in favor, two opposed, outside 200 feet, three opposed.

There's no registered neighborhood association within 200 feet.

Staff does not find any evidence of likely adverse impacts on the neighboring lands in relation to this zoning change request.

The proposed use is consistent with the established development pattern of the surrounding area.

Surrounding properties of zone R20 single family residential district.

The reposed R6CD residential single family district with a conditional use for two units is an appropriate zoning.

Also the conditional use requires a prescribed site plan that cannot be significantly changed without further public review.

The proposed zoning is also consistent with the goals of the strategic housing implementation plan, which encourages the development of alternative housing types to accommodate the city's growing population at all levels.

The applicant will be amending their request, and they are here to answer any questions.

All right, very good.

If we can have the applicant or the applicant's representative, please.

Good afternoon.

My name is Elizabeth Russell.

I am the attorney for the applicant.

Address.

Oh, 101 Stumburg, San Antonio, Texas, 78204.

Um I don't know if anyone remembers we were here just two weeks ago.

Um I did send out I can go through the presentation again, um, or I can just update the count the commission on the letters.

Ms.

Russell, if I might suggest, go ahead and update us.

If I any of the new commissioners need any additional information, we can provide that during questions.

Perfect.

Um we did send out 13 letters at the request of the commission.

Um 12 to the north, south, east, and west neighbors.

The 13th to um the zoning representative for the district.

Um I received zero responses.

Two of the letters did come back as um undeliverable.

However, we did use the property addresses from BCAD in order to get that information.

And again, no communication whatsoever.

Okay, thank you so much.

Do we have any public comment on this item?

There is no public comment for this item.

All right, Miss Russell, you don't get rebuttal then.

All right, this is a district three case, Commissioner Hinojosa to you.

Yes, good afternoon, Ms.

Russell.

Uh can you let me know besides you say you send out the letters to some of the you just mailed them?

Yes.

So um I mailed first class certified mail communications to all 12 of the neighbors, um, two to the left, to the right, to north, to south, and then there was a couple kind of like northwest and northeast, but anyone basically that was in gonna be touching the property, and then one over from that at the very least.

Um it had attached the site plan as well as um our expected um just communications about the project, that it's a single family home project, not an apartment complex.

Um, that if they had any questions or concerns, they would feel free to reach out to us.

And um that was pretty much it in regards to the communication.

Understood.

And what about I think did you mention you sent out notification to the zoning representative for that area?

Who who is that?

Yes.

So the communication went to Mr.

Chris Via, the zoning representative for district three at 3124 Sydney Brooks, suite 570 B.

Okay, oh, the city council office, you mean right.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

I yes, for district three, the zoning representative.

Okay, okay.

Yes.

And have you what what did you receive back from any of the 13?

Uh so zero from zero communication.

Okay.

And I have full-time staff with a full-time phone number and an answering service.

So I'm not just a one-person shop with a cell phone.

Um, if anyone had called, we would have been we would have received it.

And then the owner did he he or she, I'm I'm sorry, he he's currently in Mexico.

Um, he's been in Mexico for the last several months.

There's some medical complications that I don't think he would love for me to discuss with the committee, but I can get into those.

I don't think I need that.

Uh but okay.

So okay.

Because I know we had mentioned, I think I had specifically mentioned like you know, knocking on doors, you know, going in person, but obviously if he's out of the country and feeling ill, um probably would like a little more transparency as far as like or a little more outreach person to person, you know.

Sometimes people work, some people don't, you know, they're not gonna receive that certified letter.

They they see and they get a little scared, right?

Could be somebody who they they owe money to.

Um chair, I'm okay.

I'm sorry, just for clarity.

Um I didn't send it certified, I sent it first class because there are a lot of times that people don't want to sign for things like that.

And I did send it out um the day after our last hearing, so that people would have plenty of time to respond.

Thank you.

And what what is your amendment for today?

Um, our amendment is to R6 instead of the conditional, R6 with um the additional dwelling.

And then the site plan is up.

So just remind me the the original one is lot one, correct?

So two and three will be the additional.

Yeah, so the original dwelling is here.

This is a metal building that my client is planning on removing um that actually is not consistent with the zoning anyway.

There's um a division between the two plates here and here.

The division runs about right here.

And so the expectation is for this to be replatted for this lot to come off on his own, and then these two lots to be separated.

Okay, and I think my last question is uh actually I have one for staff, but one for from Ms.

Russell uh fencing.

Have we have we discussed or have you brought up fencing?

Is that on here as far as what uh kind of fencing there there's gonna be?

No, there's no there's no current proposal, I think, for fencing.

So um I think there would be a problem.

I haven't talked to my client about fencing, but my understanding is he was just planning on building the houses, they would be leased out.

I don't think that there was any flip fencing expectation from the okay, and if I think when I passed by there this weekend on my way to Big Loose Pizza, not an advertisement for them, but it's a great big pizza, especially the bill the the Bill Miller, excuse me.

The barbecue pizza.

Uh but I think it's a chain link fence on one side, right to their other neighbor to their right.

Okay.

Yes, over here there is a chainling fence.

Gotcha.

And staff question for you.

Um, as far as like conditional use for for that property, what what could we do or what is well actually I believe the amendment is to get rid of the conditional use.

It's just going single family now.

Okay, and by doing that, they still will be able to divide it to three properties.

Correct.

That was the whole purpose, because right now they're zoned R20, which is it R20?

Yes.

Um, so that means that they have to have 20,000 square feet as their minimum lot coverage or their lot size.

So going to that R6 would allow them to subdivide um because the square footage minimum or yeah, the square footage minimum is six thousand square feet.

Understood.

Thank you, Chair.

All right, thank you so much.

Any further questions?

Commissioners on my right.

Seeing none remotely.

Seeing none to the left.

Questions?

All right.

I don't have any questions at this time.

Uh commit for discussion and potential motion.

Just one one, Ms.

Russell, I'm probably real quick.

Uh I know the last time you're up here.

Um he currently owns was it a construction company or a guard uh landscaping?

The property is owned by a construction company, and he's the owner of that construction company.

Okay.

And of course code rules and stuff, and he wouldn't be able to add too much to that.

But is he planning to like have that as his base of operation where he's gonna be having a lot of equipment or anything like that?

No, the proposals for three single family homes.

Okay, and and keep putting up with that.

Okay, well, thank you, Ms.

Russell.

Um Mr.

Chair, I'd like to make a recommendation for approval for for this case.

As amended.

Yes, as amended.

All right.

There is a motion for approval as amended for item number four.

Is there a second?

I'll say that.

All right, Commissioner Bottos is a second.

Uh any discussion, Commissioners, to my right?

Seeing none.

Remotely.

Seeing none to my left.

Seeing none.

The motion uh is for approval as amended of item number four by Commissioner Hina Hosa with a second by Commissioner Bottles.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Nohas?

Yes.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Cullum?

Yes.

Commissioner Losa?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

Yes.

Commissioner Huey?

I.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Woodsett?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase.

Yes.

Chair Bustamante?

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right.

Very good.

Good luck.

You're moving on to City Council.

All right.

Our next item is item number five.

Good afternoon, Alexa Ratana zoning planner with development services.

Item number five is located at 334 Como Street, going from R 4 residential single family district to R4 C D residential single family district with the conditional use for boarding home facility with no more than eight residents with all overlays staying the same.

There were 38 notices sent out.

Zero in favor, one opposed within the 200 feet Coliseum Willow Park Neighborhood Association is opposed and outside the 200 feet, there's one opposed.

The existing R4 residential single family district is an appropriate zoning for the property and surrounding area.

The proposed R4 C D residential single family district with a conditional use for a boarding home facility with no more than eight residents is also appropriate.

The rezoning is to accommodate the development of a supervised independent living boarding home and extended foster care program.

The subject property has an accessory dwelling in the rear, in addition to the primary structure which can support the increased density and is in close proximity to public transit routes.

The proposal also aligns with the goals of the strategic housing implementation plan, which encourages the development of additional housing stock to accommodate the city's growing population.

Staff recommends approval and the applicant is here to answer any questions.

All right, very good.

Thank you.

Mr.

Ryles.

And I'm gonna make a suggestion to you like I did to Miss Russell, but it's gonna be the exact opposite.

Okay.

Because we have a new uh district two commissioner, uh, I would suggest that you give your entire presentation.

I know you were here last time, but because the person who's gonna primarily be leading the discussion is new, I would recommend to you that you go ahead and give us the full show.

Okay.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Rouse.

Well, my name is Ian Rouse, uh owner of the property 334 Como Street, San Antonio 78244.

Uh well, as far I was just reading of a note, I'm sorry.

As far as uh what we're doing with the property, uh we're utilizing it as a supervised independent living facility for kids aging out of the foster care system between the ages of 18 to 23 years old.

Uh these are kids who are uh on track for an opportunity to to swing for the door to swing either way, it could go good for them, could go bad for them.

But uh in order for them to be able to have an opportunity to transition from adolescence to adulthood, we want to uh kind of mend that gap and uh position kids to be able to have an opportunity to be successful in life.

Uh in doing that, uh I'm licensed in real estate and mortgage and construction contracting and several different other things.

Uh so utilizing those licenses and some of the things that we do as well as my partner here.

Um we we seek to utilize the contacts and connections that we have with helping kids get their uh credit uh repaired and give them understanding of how credit works and those types of things.

Uh we're tied in with several different uh businesses and business owners to uh get certifications for skill sets, whether it be uh uh electricians, HVAC, uh plumbing, uh also tied in with people who can assist with LVN certifications, RN certifications, those types of things.

And uh we're currently in the process of uh uh negotiating some other avenues as well.

So you have to be in uh uh certified skill set program or going to college for a degree field uh to be able to uh come into the program or at least be on track to be able to do that or pursuing it.

Uh once they come in, we make sure that you know with with supervision uh that they have an opportunity to put position themselves with work to get uh their certification, get on an actual job, get their foot in beneath them with with building and time uh for them to uh have job time or time on the job rather.

Um also start making their pay increases, those types of things they can be there until they're 23 years old.

Uh so hopefully by the time they get to the point of where they um are aging out of our program, they have job stability, understanding of credit, uh mental soundness, we're helping them with therapy and counseling and all of that stuff as well.

And by the time they age out at 23, uh, we hope to be able to have them positioned for home ownership and go out into the community as uh just social, socially uh uh stable individuals in the community and and they can be productive in society.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Riles.

Yeah, all right.

Uh you might want to stay up here in the front row and uh at this point, is there any public comment?

We do have public comment.

All right, uh Mr.

Ross, go ahead and take a seat just right there in the front row.

And and just as a reminder for everyone who's going to speak, and especially especially for those who are going to give their time, please stand up and give your time before that person starts to speak.

So if you want to give your time to someone, you know, you can even stand up now and tell you want to give someone your time.

All right.

I had information to share, but I'm going to give my time to Miss Renee Watson.

All right.

Mr.

Hathaway is giving his time to Miss Renee Watson.

Okay.

All right.

Hold on.

We're gonna we're gonna get to you, Miss Watson.

Hi, my name is Renee Davis, and I'm giving my time to Renee Watson.

All right, Miss Davis is giving her time to Renee Watson as well.

All right, behind.

Hi, my name is Johnny Having.

I'll be able to do my time too.

Oh, sorry, only two people can do it.

That's what you do need to speak to.

So, Mr.

Hathaway, do you still want to give your time?

No, or you want to keep your time.

All right, Mr.

Hathaway is gonna keep his time.

Miss Covington's gonna give her time to Renee Watson.

All right.

Yeah, two people tops.

So it's gonna be nine minutes total for anyone.

Everyone else, you want to keep your time?

All right, good enough.

I think that's it.

Uh, who's first?

Mr.

Hathaway, you are first.

Mr.

Hathaway, you were first, so yes.

All right, thank you.

My name is Armand Hathaway.

I'm we live in 251 Marmor, which is in the Coliseum Willow Park Neighborhood Association.

I'm also the president of the communicate of uh Coliseum Willow Park.

And initially, after finding out about the the request for code change, I immediately heard from several residents in that area.

And in fact, I followed up by calling most of the people in the Como and Edna area, which is surrounding them, and most of them had them, in fact, all of them had a negative uh uh approach to this, so they wanted to make sure that we are against their movement.

And uh there are many reasons, and we've got some things that Ms.

Watson will share with us, and uh we'll find out after you get the information that she's passed out.

So that's I'm gonna share the rest with Ms.

Watson.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Hopkins.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh also, before I forget again, uh at 132, Commissioner Whitsett left the meeting, uh, just for the record.

All right, who's next?

Renee Watson.

All right, Miss Watson, you will have nine minutes.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Renee Watson, resident 222 Marmok Avenue, San Antonio, Texas, 7820.

Active member of the Willow Park Coliseum Neighborhood Association.

Resident for 62 years in our home in this neighborhood.

Last time we were here, we were looking at zoning changes that impact the Second Baptist Church for the migrant boys.

Our neighborhood seems to be targeted for these type of good efforts, but not in compliance for what the future of our community would like to see.

As you continue to work on the UDC changes made today, there's quite a bit of changes that are coming from the legislature.

We would welcome them in the sixth unit, but not in the eight.

Well, a park Coliseum is here to say we're supporting the group and the efforts.

But this seems more like a business deal than a commitment to young people in our community.

Where the home is located, we have some issues, and we've asked city staff for permitting information.

Because under state law, these types of homes can't be located within a half a mile of each other.

We are aware of at least 10 in our immediate neighborhood, two on our street, as a matter of fact.

So we need some more information, and I think city staff was going to be providing that to us.

But before you today, uh, what I passed out is what you gave us for this meeting and staff's recommendation.

So we we would like to say and request no to the zoning change.

So we we would like to say and request no to the zoning change because this under the state's program is considered a shared housing concept, which is new to our community.

I've asked city staff how many of these have you considered in our community?

There are two, both from the same developer.

So as we look to grapple with this throughout our community, city staff, the city zoning, permitting, we need to probably take a look at how we're gonna manage this citywide because your current zoning says a boarding house.

This is not a boarding house.

This is a 24-7 operation for independent living.

So when you go through, it's not a foster house, it's not a foster care, it's independent living for uh young people who have aged out of the foster care system but still have a case worker because there are certain problems still with them.

Most of these kids have suffered trauma throughout their lives.

That's why they're in foster care.

Now they're young adults, and we want to help them.

We met, we followed your direction, the neighborhood association.

We invited the developer and his staff to meet with the neighborhood association.

The staff showed up, he did not.

We wanted to go on record and get more details about the what are you doing with the real estate?

His staff couldn't answer those questions.

His staff said we're only obligated to provide 50 square feet per resident.

50 square feet.

That was unacceptable to us.

So we ran the numbers.

The original permit says, and if you go to page three, the original permit on the property deed says 1,400 square feet is this house.

This says 1900 square feet.

Where are the permits that we that they did the reconstruction?

How big are the bathrooms?

You're putting eight people in this facility.

That means four persons per a per restroom.

And we're talking 18 to 21 year olds.

That's unacceptable to us for kids who have been in trauma their whole lives because they're in the foster care system.

So when we look at that, we like more information about that.

You go to the next page, we're talking about permitting and parking.

Each one of these kids have to have case worker visits.

How does that work with the staff cars and who's coming to visit?

We don't know because we didn't have the opportunity to have that conversation.

Again, alternative zoning.

This, according to staff document, this is not a foster home.

This is an independent living for kids who have aged out of the foster care system.

Which means what?

It's not a boarding home.

35 50 square foot.

All we got to do is give them a bed.

We want to convert the rest of the home.

We find in the neighborhood, if you don't have, if you don't have space inside the home, you're gonna roam outside.

If you can't be inside, you're gonna roam outside.

We have boarding homes now with people in wheelchairs, people in other boarding homes sitting on curbs and parking lots because there's no space inside where they're supposed to be.

This is gonna take that space by you granting an additional permitting aspect.

So we disagree with staff, and you can see where we highlighted it.

Yes, there was evidence of adverse impacts.

As property owners across the street next door, there are impacts to property rights of everyone else who lives in the neighborhood.

The not the second one, suitability.

We disagree.

We haven't had that conversation.

So a shared home, we offer to work with them to bring the resources for those six.

But I think this is something else we need to talk about in that UDC.

And you go to the next page.

There isn't a grocery store in walking distance in our neighborhood.

How will these independent foster youth get groceries?

It's not there.

So to bring this concept, I'm not sure it works for our community.

But that's a permitting fight we're gonna have.

We've already had that conversation, and we're talking to the Department of Family and Protective Services.

The belong group here in San Antonio oversees the awarding of this license.

That's how serious this is for the whole city, not just for our community.

We just happen to be first, just like we were to protect the migrant boys for who tried to come into Second Baptist Church, and we said no.

Because two months later, that whole concept was at the county Freeman Coliseum.

This neighborhood is in walking distance of the Freeman Coliseum.

You know the conversation we're having with Project Marvel about the East Side.

We asked you to deny this request for change.

Thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Watson.

Next.

Will Covington.

All right, Mr.

Covington, if you'd give us your name and address.

Sure.

My name is Will Covington.

I'm at 574 Como.

And basically, I just want to say like what was said with Ms.

Watson.

It's not that we don't uh disagree with the concept of being able to help help the uh help these kids, but somebody also has to speak up for the seniors who live into our live in our community.

We already have the effects of what happens of with boarding homes and the people who are already wandering.

A lot of our seniors and uh not even just seniors, but residents feel uh captive as it is right now because they you know they there's several different things that they do there.

We don't know who's gonna be coming into the we we know who they want to put into the in the building, but we don't know.

And when they in order for them to, in order for them to get kicked out of that home, something has to already have happened.

We don't want that something that has already had to happen affect our neighborhood before they get removed from there.

So again, I'm just here to to stand up and say I'm here.

We're here to really protect our our seniors and let them that they've lived their they live their time, they want to be able to sit on their porches and enjoy their enjoy their their environment.

Some of them already feeling captive.

Having somebody sitting having having these homes right next to you is gonna is gonna limit that.

So I've again, you know, the investors, investors are gonna invest.

Like the idea.

I would be more in favor of if investors or commissioners, how would you vote if that was at that home or halfway house was being built, is being coming in next to your house.

How would you vote on that?

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Covington.

Next, Robin Hill.

Hello, Robin Hill, address uh 156 Tonqua Trail, Lockhart, Texas.

Um I personally have worked in group homes for over 20 years.

I've worked with traumatic brain injuries down to kids from eight to 22, and I've seen these kids progress.

I I hear a lot of halfway homes and this and this and that.

To become in the foster system, you don't have to be a criminal.

It can be as simple as me personally.

My mother was murdered when I was three months.

I live with my father and my grandparents.

Once my grandparents were deceased, I had an aunt who stepped in and took me in.

I could have been that one in the foster care system, not because I was a criminal, and not because I personally did anything wrong.

I myself, I'm a registered nurse.

I have my bachelor's science in nursing.

I have a daughter that is a school teacher, and I have a daughter who also currently works in an assisted living facility.

So it you don't have to be a criminal to find yourself in the home.

It may have been your parent that was the criminal that you found yourself being taken away from your home.

So these kids may not put themselves in their situation.

This is an application process.

These kids have to fill out applications.

As far as six versus eight, the system is gonna run the same.

If you got six kids and eight kids, we're gonna run the program exactly the same.

As far as not 24 hours, it's not a 24 hours there, supervisor independent living for Siddeley.

We are there to teach them how to live on their own.

We're not gonna be sitting there with them.

Get on these places their self.

If they have places that they do need to go on their own, we have a company vehicle that we will be providing under the DFPS regulations.

There is actually three bathrooms, not two.

Um I just want to also bring up as the meeting was over.

I just found it interesting.

I was just coming in for the first time that once Ms.

Renee stepped out of the building, a lot of people were approaching us afterwards saying that they agree.

And that was very confusing to me why these people were not able to speak up why she was there.

So that was one of my things, and my last comment is if not your neighborhood, where thank you, Ms.

Next.

Hello, my name is Quartermetra Hughes.

Address is 1510 Colton Lane, Law Cart, Texas.

I am um Ion's um Ian's uh business partner for this, and I just want to say that um this is not your typical boarding home, but I guess because they're um unrelated uh people staying in the home, it fell under the board and home rules or whatever.

So um this is for adult living for the children aged out, and it is supervised, it's a structured home.

SIL is a child ware for a program, it's not a criminal justice program or system.

Um approval to serve eight residents is because it is four bedrooms, and we can't fit two people in each bedroom.

Um, the board and home rules for the city of San Antonio says each um resident gotta have 50 square feet in the room.

And um, since it is four bedrooms, that's the reason why we want to go with the with the eight.

Why not help two more if we can and if we have the space for it?

Um there will be staffing, there will be house rules.

Um DFPS caseworkers will visit monthly because they're still, you know, uh supervising them or managing them as well since it's their program and checking in.

Um, as far as the parking goes, um, there is parking space.

Um, it goes kind of like all the way up there, and there is um like we can probably fit three to four cars there.

So there will be a staffing, you know, staff person there.

And if uh CPS need to visit, you know, there will be parking for them too.

So it won't have to be on the street.

Um there will be quiet hours that's gonna be part of our house rules.

So 9 p.m.

to 7 a.m.

weekdays, 10 p.m.

through 8 a.m.

weekends, um, no outdoor gathering after quiet hours.

Um, property care weekly line service, trash recycling compliance.

Um, we're gonna, you know, make sure all that gets done.

Um, okay.

So um also response within 24 hours.

So if the neighbors have any complaints or anything, I mean, we're gonna have it to where they can contact somebody 24-7, and we are gonna respond.

And like I said before, the program with the DFPS is very strict, and they can easily get kicked out of the program easily.

Um, at the meeting, that I did attend the meeting with the neighbors, and um some of their concerns was kids from the foster care criminals.

Foster care, foster care is a child welfare intervention.

Residents are screened, supervised, and must follow the rules.

Eight beds is greedy.

Um, it's just two more beds, and we're not being greedy, we're just trying to help two extra people, two extra young adults.

We should see their backgrounds.

Well, there is privacy protective victims for the young adults, and they were saying something about their records are probably gonna be sponged since they're um they were young when they committed the crime or something like that.

But we don't know if they commit a crime or not.

They're not in the foster system because they committed crime.

They're in the foster system because of their parents or they can have family or something like that.

All right, thank you, Ms.

All right.

Next.

That is it for public speakers.

Okay, very good.

Uh Mr.

Riles, a brief rebuttal.

Okay, so to answer one of the questions or statements that was made for the uh 50 square foot per kid.

Uh when the house was originally built, uh, it was a smaller home.

It's probably one of the larger homes there now.

They did have an addition that was added to the back of the home.

Uh, we're currently somewhere in the ballpark, about 1,700 square foot or so on the property.

Uh and we're also renovating the rear structure as well uh to make it kind of like I guess you will consider a mother-in-law suite or something like that.

But um we're gonna use it utilize that space uh for office space, or I might even look to utilize it as uh now hearing the concerns that the people have, a structure that they could have that a leisure place that they can kind of hang out and do what they need to do back there.

If need be, kind of just uh do their homework, uh, have a TV, have a little rec room or whatever, just so that they can have some space.

Uh as we stand, we're well over four times the amount of space that's needed for the amount of kids that we have in the house.

Uh and this structure, uh let me see here.

Is this pointer working?

Yeah.

So this is a structure that I'm referring to with that.

Now, this whole area right here, I'm looking to deck this part this area out as well as coming around the back side over here and being able to allow them to have space to be able to hang out in the back of the house, uh, homework space, um, looking to put like I've got like four little these little pillars here, making these little seating spaces where they can kind of just be in the backyard, be outside, but still be responsible and and uh have some hangout space back there as well.

Um as it stands, we're just looking to help as many as we possibly can.

Again, uh Ms.

Hughes, my business partner, she's currently raising six foster care kids herself.

Uh never had any kids, raising foster kids.

And uh it's very near and dear to our heart with uh what she's doing.

Uh myself, again, I was homeless 05 to 08, and uh raised my kids as a single father and went through a lot of different things and helped a lot of people along the way, and I just know that even for myself, when I needed help, I couldn't there wasn't really much out there, but I was able to pull myself up by the bootstraps and make it happen.

Uh I just want to be able to be the guide or the guide in light that I wish somebody would have been for me, or be the mouthpiece to speak up on behalf of people like I wish somebody would have been able to speak up for me.

And uh so we're just looking to help as many people as possible, and whatever we need to do to be able to make that happen, obviously we're here for that.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Rowls.

All right, thank you.

All right.

Um, this is a district two case, so uh it's you know uh trial by fire for you, Commissioner Losa.

All right, do I have to hold it down the whole time?

You have to hold it down the whole time.

Cool.

Well, I just want to say thank you all for sharing perspectives.

I did watch the previous um August 19th meeting, so I did hear the comments and the um presentation.

Thank you for giving it again.

I really appreciate it.

Um I have a couple of questions for the owner, Mr.

Riles.

Um, is the property currently vacant at this moment?

Yes, it's it's currently vacant right now.

Matter of fact, we're under construction as we speak.

Uh we have contractors there working and we're designing everything and putting all the designated things in place that we need to have a success a successful facility.

Okay.

All right.

Um, from the discussion from uh what I understand currently zoned to have six units, six bedrooms, asking to go up to eight.

I'd like to understand a little bit better.

Do you plan to, in terms of like occupancy of eight residents versus six, is that going to be like a phase in, or can you talk a little bit more about how you might get because it's currently no one's there, so if you can actively build for six right now, what's that indicate to eight?

So as the house is right now, uh we have two when you come in, we've opened up a big area, it's a kitchen uh with a uh formal dining, I guess you could say.

So it's a kitchen, formal dining.

We've got a divider there with like a bar top uh with the granite countertops coming in, so it's separates that space, and then the living room is a wide open space.

So this whole area in the front is a big area.

So when you come in and go through that living room area, there's a hallway that kind of goes towards the back that we built in.

There's a bedroom to your left, a bedroom to your right.

When you come in the front door, if you go to your left and go straight back, you've got a bedroom straight back all the way back, and then before you get to that one, there's a uh door to the right, and there's a really large master bedroom there.

It's got a really big closet and it's got a big bathroom.

So the bathrooms that we have aren't small bathrooms by any means.

Anyone that wants to see them, welcome to come through.

Probably bigger than most of the bathrooms in the area.

We've extended them and opened them up, and I'll have a third bathroom in the unit in the back.

So we have uh there will be three restrooms.

All right, thank you.

And then I just wanted to get clarity because I think between a couple of the comments and your own account of who will live there, there seems to be some dilution between it being a foster care facility versus uh um recovery home.

Would you be able to clarify who's what time of residents would be here?

Yeah, it's not a recovery home.

It's a supervised independent living facility for kids aging out of the foster care system between the ages of 18 to 23.

So these are young adults, these aren't kids.

Okay, thank you.

And then am I able to ask public commenters questions?

Okay.

I'm curious if anybody from the neighborhood association could answer.

Um from the paperwork you guys gave and the comments you gave, it sounded like there was agreance that um six units was fine, but not eight.

I was curious if you could give a little bit more context as to what the difference is.

I think a lot of the concerns you guys voiced had to do with the boarding home use and some of the um you know surrounding area and just general use of boarding home, but I'm unsure.

I still want a little bit more clarity what would change from six units to eight, in your opinion, or like the neighborhood association opinion.

Sure, it's amount of space.

Again, Renee Watson, uh 222 Marmike Avenue.

Um, well apart Coliseum.

Mr.

Rowles just made a comment that it's 1700 square feet.

The map says 1900 square feet.

We still don't have clarity on the facility.

So when we're talking about putting 18 to 23 year olds in a group setting under the state, it's called a shared facility.

These are normal normally in apartments.

These are normally in college dorms.

That's that's what we're talking about.

This is not a regular boarding home.

This is not a this is a 24-7.

There's a permit on here that says seven to six.

What's a quiet zone when you're teaching people how to be independent?

Are they locking people down?

Are they locking them up?

I'm not clear on this application, and that's what we're saying.

So we know that we cannot deny the six because the current zoning allows for the six.

We have to go straight to the city council, or we have to file a lawsuit to shut down the six, because that's current zoning law in the city of San Antonio.

But the question is the use, because the use on the permit, this is not a boarding home.

This is not a senior care center.

This is not something that's gonna have security lockdown, as they say.

It's a different kind of use.

So does it even fall under this ability to go through this process?

So I've asked city staff for that clarification.

Maybe the city attorney has to give us that clarification.

Because we were told this is only the second time that this has been requested.

So it's something that we don't know.

We might need another continuance today until we get clarification on the on those questions for the council member.

Because we don't know.

So we are saying we know we can't do the they can do the six, they can build it out.

They can show us because one of the community at the community meeting, we asked about performance measures.

Have you done this before?

What's your track record?

They've never owned, they just worked there.

All right.

Thank you, Ms.

Watson.

Okay.

Thank you.

I did have one more question for the owner.

Um, I believe is in the previous previous meeting.

You mentioned you open operate or own another facility of this sort.

Can you talk a little bit about where it is and how it's being operated?

Oh, yeah.

So the other one is in Denver Heights, 206 Virginia Boulevard.

We've gone gone through the process, and it's a long process, obviously, we're doing it the right way.

That's not what we're looking to do.

We're looking for sustainability and professionalism, and we're looking to work in excellence and provide an excellent service for these kids and give them an opportunity to be able to be successful.

The address on our facility is 206 Virginia Boulevard.

I've already come before you guys on uh zoning for that one uh in the past.

Uh we are currently dealing with DF PS uh right now for some clarity and and uh to get clearance on a few other things.

So uh we're just kind of kind of in a stall position with that one right now.

So uh we do have the other one as a as another facility as well, and then I own a building off of uh 2639 Nakadochas Road, um, which is pretty much my headquarters for my constru uh my real estate brokerage and my real estate investment firm and some other things.

Um and uh we'll partially headquarter from there as well as um uh three through four Como thank you.

I'm good on questions.

All right, thank you much very much, Commissioner.

Uh questions, commissioners to my left.

Yes.

Uh we'll start with Commissioner Sipes and go to Commissioner Kellum.

Question for uh staff.

Um Ms.

Watson brought up that there were other um boarding type houses within or within the vicinity.

Is is I was just kind of curious where are y'all aware of those or do we have that?

If there are C I meant they are C of O's required for boarding homes, and so they will have to have those uh C of O's, but that is something that we don't have in front of us at this moment.

It would be an open records request.

All right, all right.

I guess and then uh Ms.

Watson.

Okay.

Well, Ms.

Watson, uh could you kind of like just briefly give me an idea of like how many and where or how close well I can tell you there's one on the next street behind it, there's two on my street, there's one across the street, so there's probably a whole bunch in the neighborhood.

So after the last zoning commission meeting, after we had a community meeting, we sent an open records request, and then I also sent another open record request to ask for all of the emails for the conversation, all of the applications, and all of the information.

All right because there's no map.

Got it, got it.

All right.

Um I think that's all the questions I have.

Thank you.

And just to clarify, Ms.

Watson did submit uh an email to Alexa, the case manager.

It was Friday morning on the 29th.

Um she was not able to get that information.

She was actually out of office on Friday, and then we were out of office on Monday due to Labor Day.

So we are returning today trying to get information.

We did respond to Ms.

Watson on her um inquiries and just basically stating that this would have to be an open records request through our open records department that is not DSD.

All right, thank you, Ms.

Sanders.

All right, Commissioner Kellum.

Um staff first.

Is there is there a true recognition between a shared home and a boarding home?

There is a definition for boarding home that they must comply with um certain state laws.

It is um defined in our UDC.

So if I go to um bear with me, boarding home.

So a boarding home facility as part of our code, UDC code, is that it must um basically an establishment that furnishes one or more buildings, lodging three to four more persons who are unrelated to the owner.

Um, and it basically has to pertain to Chapter 247, um, assisted living facility licensing act at the Texas Health and Safety Code.

Okay.

And then Ms.

Watson, if I just may ask you a quick question.

So what I'm hearing you say, and and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you're not necessarily against this project.

What it sounds like you need is more communication and understanding of the project.

Would that be correct?

At the sixth, yes.

Okay, but we will talk about the communication at the permitting level of the whole project because the state defines shared home versus boarding home different understanding.

So that's a no on the age, yes on the six.

As of right now, thank you, yes, at the zoning commission.

Mr.

Rowls may ask a good question, please.

Mr.

Ross, I appreciate the the endeavor because I think it's very admirable for sure.

Yeah, you've when you talk about the transition of these adults, because they're adults.

Uh when you talk about their transition, one of the things that you bring up is their psychological and emotional stability.

That's important to me as a physician.

How do you get to that point?

Are you doing things that are that are state mandated?

Are you going above and beyond beyond that?

Are you getting licensed counselors coming in?

I understand the mentorship component of it when you talk about your contacts and people engaging.

To me, that's a wonderful thing, but also there's a variability of engagement that each person has with that, which I think is really important part of the outcomes that you're getting with these things.

And so can you speak to that, please, about how you can ensure, and I know to the degree that you can, how you transition their their emotional well-being in these situations.

Okay.

So to my knowledge, it's not mandated that we have to do it, but I do understand that there is uh an amount of psycho psychological uh I guess you would say impairment just by the trauma that certain people have experienced by being separated from parents and the anxiety of dealing with that and all those types of things.

So some of the things I haven't experienced myself, but I do understand that since these are real and true matters, not just to the heart, but to the mental as well, that we we uh I want to provide uh licensed professional counselors, people who are in my sphere of influence to come in and be able to have one-on-ones and uh uh uh help the individuals who need that uh to overcome whatever hurdles mentally that they're dealing with.

That's all my questions.

Thank you, Commissioner Kelton.

All right.

Any further commissioners?

Yes, Commissioner Kelly.

I just have a question for you since you're at the podium.

Yes, sir.

Um I'm just wondering since the neighborhood uh the neighborhood leadership seems to have some apprehension about the eight uh having eight uh residents there.

Is it possible that you would be willing to consider starting with six, give people an opportunity to see how it works and then perhaps modify your site and come back later at some point for uh a zoning request?

Is that something you would consider to give maybe a compromise that might help work?

Because I think your your goal is good, but the neighborhood obviously has concerns.

So to the answer to answer the question, and obviously, yes, if that's where we fall.

Uh, but I do have the space for eight, uh, and for what it would take for us to be able to regulate that or take care of it.

The difference between six and eight is not that big of a a deal.

Uh and obviously what we're looking to do is optimize our potential to help as many as possible.

I mean, you guys yourselves are aware of the issue that we're dealing with when it comes to false kids, especially being thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Raoul.

All right, thank you.

All right.

Further questions, commissioners on my left.

All right, thank you.

Commissioners on my right.

All right, let's go, Commissioner Rodriguez, Commissioner Huey.

Mr.

Ralles, is a question for you, sir.

Um right now you have approved for six uh youths, is that correct?

Well, I mean, it's it's mandated that we're uh uh in position for six.

So, yeah, we can do six, but we have four rooms.

So, I mean, we're in position to do eight.

And is that uh six plus staff?

And how many staff members are you gonna have?

Uh right now we're looking uh pretty much for four with maybe two part times uh round the clock.

How many staff members are gonna be staying there overnight with them?

Or or should I say throughout the day?

It's gonna be a 12-hour shift.

So is it one, two, three staff members?

It was originally 2 or 1.

Can you come to the podium?

Yeah, Ms.

Hughes, come on up.

We're originally was doing one, but after the um association meeting, we decided to um go with two, two staff, um, and they will have a 24-hour.

I mean, we have two staff running 24-hour shifts, but I mean 12 hours each.

So a total of four staff.

Two staff, maybe like six a.m.

to six p.m.

and then other staff from six p.m.

to six a.m.

Okay, so you're trying to bring in eight youths and then two staff members, so a total of ten people?

Yes, but um again, they're not exactly you, they're young adults, because they are 18.

Sorry.

So they're not like kids where they really need a lot of assistance.

They are adults.

My apologies.

Young adults.

Yes.

Uh we've heard from from you on, you all are from you're not from San Antonio, don't live in the area.

Do you have any homeowners in the area that are in favor for this?

Have you talked to any of them that that are for it?

Well, actually, um at the meeting, like I said, once Ms.

Watson left, um actually some of the neighbors that was there came up to us and actually told us they really were for it.

They were actually looking around just to see who was who was around before they said it.

Do you have is there a reason why they didn't show up or didn't come today or do you have any real I don't know, I didn't get their information.

And then another thing was um at the meeting, um the business owner that the meeting was at Don Poncho's, or whoever, she actually got up and spoke to and said how um her and her siblings were in the foster care program.

She took advantage of one of the programs and went to school and college and stuff.

Her other sister took a uh advantage of the program because she was in Austin and she went to go stay at a SIL home.

Okay.

No further questions.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Rodriguez.

All right, Commissioner Huey.

Do you?

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Uh Mr.

Ryles, I have a question for you, please.

Actually, two questions.

The uh the last time we were uh reviewing this case, you mentioned we talked about parking, right?

And um it looks like with your requested the number of occupants and the number of the square footage of your home or your uh facility that you're gonna need what the three parking spaces.

If that's the case, do you intend to have what do you intend to park the cars?

Well, again, we have first come first or parking on the side, and that parking runs all the way back to that second uh unit there.

So if we just need it to uh have to utilize that space we can.

And again, I know that y'all say that you know you don't want to make public street parking parking, but they in that particular neighborhood they do park in front of the homes.

So I have room for at least two to three spaces directly in front of the house as well.

Okay, so uh if I understand correctly then is that they will park bump for the bumper in your driveway.

So the car in the back needs to come out, then the other two cars need to be need to pull out for the last car to come out.

Is that right?

Well, that that would be the case, but honestly speaking, I mean, with majority of the kids coming out uh from what the from the way that I understand it as to us speaking with D FPS, uh majority of these people will not have vehicles, so they're gonna be really uh dependent upon public transportation getting going.

Okay.

And I think the last time we discussed this, uh the staff had mentioned that you cannot count uh street parking.

Yeah, for your numbers.

And then I have the last question is and I missed what you said about the third bathroom.

Where's the bath third bathroom located?

So we're renovating this space here as well.

And the consideration for I'm putting a uh so over here we're doing a deck here on on the front part of this is a covered area.

This area right here, there's a wall that comes down through here.

I'm gonna make this a like a kitchen area or a little meeting area, coffee place or whatever right here.

This part over here is a wide open space, could be used for a loft or office space or even a bedroom if need be.

And right here, we're putting a bathroom right here, and the front door will come in right here.

Okay, so it's not connected to the current structure, right?

Yeah, it's right off the back.

So you come out of the back door, the back door is there, and then the front doors here.

So it's literally from here to there.

But yeah, so there's a third bathroom in that'll be will be in this space, but there's two bathrooms in the structure.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Hooy.

Commissioner Inahoza, questions.

Uh yes.

Uh question for um the applicant.

So this is a really hard case.

I know we say that a lot sometimes, but me personally, this is really hard, especially having a doctor in education and knowing the kids, their kids.

Come on, there's 18-year-olds or kids.

Well, what were we doing at 20, 21 years old?

I couldn't say this publicly, you know.

So um, you know, they're gonna have friends, you know, they have any program.

I understand this is needed.

They're even Sam's even gonna uh Sands Ministry, I believe they're building something on on our side of town or uh on the uh southeast side of town, uh connect to the homeless shelter with the out aging out.

It's commendable.

Don't get me wrong.

But the biggest factor here is that your neighbors don't want this.

And I think that's the strongest point.

Um the one question I have for you, sir, is because it seems like they're okay with the six.

Now, city staff, real quick, if if they go with the six, I'm assuming they wouldn't need a zoning.

And it's permitted by right.

And that's okay.

So I I my humble only opinion.

Um I think if you say let's do six, I think we can maybe do that or you know, move forward in there and maybe prove to the neighbors that this can be something viable that they that would be uh great for the their communities and for the neighbors, and then maybe go up from there, which you have to come back for rezoning.

But that's the only way that I personally see that forward.

You know, am I a little jaded on the east side?

Yeah, my dad's a proud Cherokee.

Went to Sam, you know, and proud member of the band before Bruce Adams.

Just saying out there.

But um it's man, this is a hard one.

I mean, I I I see what you guys are doing.

I understand it, it's passionate, but on the other end, your neighbors, that's the community, you know.

So that's all I have.

Thank you, Chair.

All right, thank you.

Um Commissioner Chase questions.

I have a question for staff.

Um, so since this is conditional use, if they were to sell their property, um, what then happens if they were to get the the rezoning today and they can use it for eight.

Would another facility be able to buy this and operate a different type of boarding house?

Um, or is it only for Mr.

Rowell?

Um so it I'm sorry, for the boarding house you asked.

Yes, so the so the conditional um rezoning.

The would that follow if they were to sell the property?

Would that follow to the new property owner?

Could they open up a different type of boarding facility or or a one um that the neighborhood already has, like they've talked about they have um you know lots of uh it's it's not youth, it's it's um like kind of halfway houses that they have in their neighborhood already.

Would that be able to operate there, or is this only for what he is doing?

It would be only specifically for a boarding house, and as I discussed, or as I mentioned to uh Commissioner Kellum, it has to comply with that state code, um the health state code, plus um.

So hopefully that would answer your question.

It would not allow other uses like you said with a halfway house or anything like that.

Those are other uses which need would need a change of zoning.

Yes, that clarifies.

Thank you.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Chase.

Any further questions?

Last go around left.

Yes, Commissioner Lose.

It's it's quick, I think.

I I believe this is a question for staff, maybe also the owner.

So we were just talking about two staff on site all the time.

Are they getting their own dedicated sleeping space?

The two staff that the 24 hours.

I'm sure a lot of the time they'll be watching TV at two or three in the morning or whatever, but I mean, no, they're not there to be sleepable to work.

Uh and I would also like to mention one other thing.

Sure.

So after the last meeting, I wasn't able to be there uh for the meeting myself.

I was double booked and I had a uh situation with an international speaker that we were working with, so I wasn't able to be there by my my partner, my staff uh director were they were present there.

Um I've obviously Miss Renee Watson, very respected, well-known individual here, and we frequent some of the same circles.

Um while she was there, she's a dominant presence in a room.

God knows.

But what I'm saying is I think we've heard this already, but thank you.

I thought that's well beyond this is well beyond the question.

Okay, and we've heard it twice already, so thank you.

Well, I was just saying, thank you, sir.

All right.

Okay, so I wanted to follow a staff.

There it sounds like there's already, I guess I'm looking for clarity on the definition or like what's allowed here.

It sounds like there's already eight people there.

There's six residents and two staff.

But I'm curious for more clarity.

If it's they're looking for eight residents and two staff a total of ten people, and that's what this like zoning would change.

No, it would be just for the residents, so the folks that are part of the home, not the staff.

It would not include the staff.

So is just affecting how many residents staff are not counted as residents, even though they're overnight.

Correct.

Okay, got it.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Any further questions?

Commissioners on my left.

All right.

Commissioners on my right.

All right, Commissioner Chase.

All right, thank you.

I think all more questions.

All my questions have been asked and answered as well.

Commissioner Losef to you for discussion and potential motion.

not include the staff so it's is just affecting how many residents staff are not counted as residents even though they're overnight correct okay got it thank you all right thank you any further questions commissioners on my left all right commissioners on my right all right commissioner chase all right thank you i think all more questions all my questions have been asked and answered as well commissioner lose if to you for discussion and potential motion okay uh this is this is when you start to discuss it so you can figure out what you want to do no I'm kidding okay so I'm gonna motion I can motion to approve or continue or deny correct okay um I'm gonna motion to approve okay uh there is a motion for approval of item number five by Commissioner Losef there a second I'll second all right commissioner chase is your second all right discussion commissioner Wilson that you got it all right uh discussion commissioner kellum and then Commissioner Sipes um this is a very difficult one uh because I think the need certainly for foster um kids to transition is uh a very admirable cause but I am going to respectfully disagree with with my colleague and vote against it because I think I think the issue lies in the proof of concept quite frankly I think it if if there was an ability to you for you to utilize or operate I should say with the six residents prove the concept is is everything you say that it's going to be I would believe your opportunity to grow your concept within the community and uh elsewhere would be a a smarter position for uh within the community as well as a business decision but that's up for our conversation today so I'm going to go ahead and motion against all right thank you Dr.

Commissioner Dr.

Kellum Commissioner Slipes well Commissioner Kellum probably stated it more eloquently um but yes it's that extra two for me that that will cause me to vote uh against this and I think I'm what what troubles me the most was the statement over and over it's just two more it's just two more and I understand that but um you know uh you know we kind of hear that it's just one more this or just one more and and I think that that the the saturation the existing saturation you know you get to a point where that too is at the is at the current you know kind of breaking point um so I will also be respectfully um voting against the motion all right any further discussion commissioners to my left yes commissioner kelly uh I'll just second uh really what commissioner kellum said uh I totally agree with his comments even though I think it's a really worthwhile program all right thank you Commissioner Kelly anyone else left last chance all right commissioners to my right yes commissioner Hinahosa Commissioner Rodriguez then Commissioner Huey also respectfully I'll not be supporting this motion uh my biggest thing is is is the neighbors um you know I grew up on the east side my grandmother lived there Amanda and MLK and I remember going outside to the restroom in the back because it was an outhouse because their house was tiny and with your plan of having a third restroom in the back I mean I just I I don't know it's it's not proven like like Commissioner Killum said I mean right now you can probably amend it let's you know sorry go to the sixth and it'll pass prove to your neighbors because there will be your neighbors that this could be achievable again in no way do I your your your your service and what you want to bring to these kids but it just brings me back to the neighbors thank you all right thank you Commissioner Hina Hosa Commissioner Rodriguez first of all I want to say thank you uh I think what you're doing is it's great um unfortunately your neighbors are you're I believe if it gets approved you're you're gonna have issues and I agree with my federal commissioners uh I think you should start with six prove to them that it's gonna work that you're not gonna have any issues and then later on in the future come back and maybe get the other two to be to get approved all right thank you Commissioner Ruderges Commissioner Huey thank you Mr.

Chair um I will not be supporting the motion because I do believe that your residents and your workers are going to end up parking out in the street and then I understand you said you plan to have a third bathroom on your property but it's not in your site plan.

And we cannot hold you to that so again I cannot support this motion.

Um, you know, whether it's the east side, the south side, the west side where I live, it's two more people that have beds.

Um and I understand the residents um you know their concerns and they're valid.

Um here on the west side, we have the same issues.

Um I live right by Woodon Lake.

Haven for Hope has um people that come over here and work at the lake.

Um, so you know, I'm well familiar with um how different homes uh have their residents coming out to the community, and sometimes they can be problematic, but sometimes it's also a step in the direction for them to get some stability for them to change their life direction, and um what the applicant is asking for fits the city of San Antonio's needs, it's like recommended for approval by staff.

Um it's what the city of San Antonio needs, and so that's why I supported it.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Chase.

Uh I was also gonna remind everyone that you know the six units residential units or beds uh is allowed by right.

Um like Commissioner Kellum, and like Commissioner Sipes, however, I do have concerns, and and I get it, right?

Like, you know, going from six to eight does, as Commissioner Chase pointed out, absolutely get two more people a place to sleep.

Um you know what concerns me, and I think one of the underlying concerns from the neighbors is at some point it becomes about the money, and the mission's great.

And look, and I don't mean to take away from that, right?

We don't have the money, none of this stuff gets done.

But the return on investment by adding two more, I'm sure is a lot better than for the six originally.

And and like Commissioner Kellum, like Commissioner Sipes, like Commissioner Kelly, um, I think if we had a relationship between the neighbors and the applicant, such that six have been there and it's been going great, then I I think this would be a no-brainer.

But as it is, it's a tremendously hard case.

I never want uh to forget what Commissioner Chase pointed out, which is this is two more bets, but respectfully I can't support the motion.

So at this point, the motion is for approval by Commissioner Lose with a second by Commissioner Chase.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Losa.

I Commissioner Chase.

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum?

No.

Commissioner No Hosa?

No.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Commissioner Huey?

No.

Commissioner Sipes?

No.

Commissioner Kelly?

No.

Commissioner Barros?

No.

Chair Bustamante?

No.

Motion fails.

All right.

Uh, we are a recommending body, which means you can go forward to city council in the next six months.

Uh and all we've given is a recommendation.

I recommend uh as well that you talk to your neighbor still, because this is not a done deal.

If you all can get together and figure out how to do this, you all can go forward at city council.

So good luck to you, Commissioner Bustamante.

Yes.

Uh the motion failing for approval does not necessarily equal a denial.

I skipped a couple of steps.

Excuse me.

Motion to reconsider.

Okay, there is a motion to reconsider.

Is there a second second?

Okay, there is a second now for the motion to reconsider.

Uh any discussion, Commissioners to my left.

Yes, Commissioner Sipes.

Uh clarification that I should know by now.

If if uh the motion to reconsider fails, then it comes back.

It would be a default continuance if you all can't reach a motion.

But right now you could also alternatively do a continuance, or you could do a motion for denial.

Got it.

Okay, thank you.

After we do the motion for reconsideration.

Yes.

See, now I got you back, Audrey.

All right.

Uh there is a motion for reconsideration by Commissioner Huey with a second by uh Commissioner Kellum.

Any discussion left?

Right?

Mr.

Chair, just uh for clarification, so motion to reconsider would be to so the motion to okay.

So let's let's go over this briefly.

And Audrey I'm gonna look at you when I'm saying this in case I say anything wrong.

Uh motion to reconsider basically just allows to the floor to be reopened for another motion.

That motion at this point can only be denial or continuance.

Okay.

Um and so however, if the motion for reconsideration itself fails, uh, because there's only been one consideration one continuance to date, the the failure of the motion for reconsideration is deemed to be a continuance to the next meeting.

Does that make any sense?

All right.

So that's that's the deal.

All right.

Any discussion?

Discussion, Commissioner Chase.

All right.

Yes, it's kind of a question.

Yes.

If we continue, does it have to go to the next meeting, or could it be pushed out further than that?

Okay.

So if it was if we were to continue.

If if the motion for reconsideration passes and someone makes a motion to continue it, that can be you know the next meeting, the meeting after, the meeting after, the meeting after, etc.

Uh but if the motion for reconsideration itself fails, that is by default the next meeting.

All right.

Yep.

Okay.

Now the motion on the floor is a motion for reconsideration.

Um by Commissioner Huey with a second by Commissioner Kellum.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Huey?

Aye.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Lotha?

Yes.

Commissioner Inoza?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

Yes.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Bottles?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase?

Yes.

Chair Bustamante?

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right.

The motion for reconsideration has passed.

The floor is now open for a motion.

Motion to deny.

All right.

There is a motion to deny by Commissioner Huey with a second by Commissioner Hina Hosa.

Discussion to my left.

Seeing none.

Discussion to my right.

Seeing none.

Commissioner Chase.

I would like to see a continuance to allow for the applicant to operate with six, and we could continue it months out so that he does not have to reapply.

And I am not sure exactly what the zoning fee is, but in hopes that he would not have to reapply for that zoning fee, we could continue it.

And he could come back after operating with six and request the eight later.

I uh sorry, Commissioner Chase.

Um that honestly would be probably beyond what we are possible capable of.

I meant we could continue it, but we we do not like to go out that far because this would take over a year or more for them to get established, and you know, and so we basically don't want to continue out that much further because dates can change.

So it is a good thought, but in a perfect world, it would be a great thing.

All right.

And yeah, I should have probably put a limit on that when I said ad nauseum.

Um but they could postpone at this point, correct?

They could postpone, but once it goes beyond six months, they would have to restart.

Okay, very good.

All right.

Thank you, Commissioner Chase.

Um any further discussion in light of that?

Seeing none.

All right.

Uh the motion is for denial by Commissioner Huey with a second by Commissioner Hina Hosa.

Roll call vote.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner I know.

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum?

Yes.

Commissioner Lotha?

No.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase.

No.

Chair Bustamante?

I motion carries.

All right.

So now everything I said before is true.

So, you know, it's not necessarily over in this go-round.

We are a recommending body, uh, but the body has now recommended denial.

Um, so you know, you can continue to work, you can talk to uh your case manager, and they can they can help you.

Got you.

All right.

Good luck.

Thank you for your work.

Thank you all for showing up.

Uh, we are now gonna move on to item number 10.

Good afternoon, Alexa Ratana, zoning planner with development services.

Item number 10 is located at 1915 Pleasington Road, going from C2NA, General Commercial Non-Alcoholic Sales District to C2NA, uh commercial non-alcoholic sales district with a conditional use for tattoo parlor, with all overlays staying the same.

There were 26 notices sent, zero in favor, zero opposed.

Harland Del McCullum Neighborhood Association gave no response.

The existing C2NA commercial non-alcoholic sales district is an appropriate zoning for the property and surrounding area.

The proposed C2 and ACD commercial non-alcoholic sales district with a conditional use for a tattoo parlor/slash studio is also appropriate.

The rezoning is to accommodate the use of a tattoo studio in a suite located within the existing commercial strip.

The request will maintain the C2 and A base zoning district while also permitting the tattoo studio use, which is consistent in intensity with surrounding properties.

Furthermore, the tattoo studio will require adherence to a prescribed site plan, and any increases in size or intensity would require further public and council review.

Staff recommends approval, and the applicant is here to answer any questions.

All right, Mr.

Diaz.

Yes.

If you would come up, introduce yourself, give us your address, and tell us why you're seeking the zoning change.

Yes, my name is Sandro Diaz, uh 915 Pleasanton Road.

Uh I'm just trying to change the zoning so I can get the health license and make my tattoo shop operational.

All right.

Very good.

Is there any public comment?

There is no public comment.

All right, this is a district three case.

Uh Commissioner Hinojosa to you for questions.

This will be short, I believe.

Um, because I think we just received the neighborhood association has uh approved your um not approved, but they have uh support for your rezoning, excuse me.

Um the only question I do have uh that got brought up was I mean you are literally across the street, a little bit over from Harlandale High School.

Yes.

Um are you what kind of so on my front side and I have something saying no minors, IDs enforced, uh no bathrooms, just stuff like that in the front saying already you can't just open the door and you're a minority.

Well that's good.

I was I was gonna ask.

Sorry to interrupt.

What about as far as uh like your windows, are they gonna be tinted?

Are they how's that how's that gonna look?

So I have two already tinted with the advertisement, and I have them covered.

I don't have it to the public yet.

And uh the other two windows I have them empty, and I'm I'm gonna put designs or some sort of art on it.

So it will be covered.

Okay.

And I mean did you go to Harlandale?

I mean you've got to do that.

No, I went to Highlands.

I know so did I.

Uh, but um as you know, um that area right there, Harlandale's.

I mean the kids walk, I mean, it is a heavily walked area.

I just see groups of kids just walking right in front of your store and nothing about tattoos or anything like that, um, or ink or whatever you whatever we call them.

But I just want to be I mean there's a law that states you can't get it to 18, I believe, right?

So I just want to make sure that's fully uh enforced and uh uh you know, not minors going in there, and I mean, but okay, uh that's enough for me.

Thank you, so all right.

Uh any questions, commissioners to my left.

Sorry, to my right.

This is right.

All right, Commissioner Chase.

All right, commissioners to my left.

All right, there being no further questions.

Commissioner Hina Hosa to you for discussion and potential motion.

Sure, I'd like to make a motion for approval.

All right, there's a motion for approval.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second by Commissioner Sipes.

Discussion looking left.

Yes, Commissioner Sipes.

Do I really want to talk about all I know?

No, I don't.

Um, um I uh I'll I'll be supporting this motion and um and I understand uh Commissioner Hino Hos's uh um discussion point about um students walking up and down the street.

Um I am very familiar with that, but um I I think this is uh I think it's you know a perfect application for the area.

I mean, I don't want to say that, but I mean that it's uh appropriate application.

All right, thank you, Commissioner Sipes.

Any further discussion, commissioners to my left, seeing none.

I've already done right or have I done right.

Yep, no, I haven't done right.

Discussion right.

No discussion, Commissioner Chase.

All right, no discussion on my part.

The motion is for approval of item number 10 by Commissioner Hina Hosa with a second by Commissioner Sipes.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner Inoza?

Yes, Commissioner Sipes?

Yes, Commissioner Kellum?

Yes, Commissioner Losa.

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez.

Yes.

Commissioner Huey.

Aye.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase.

Yes.

Chair Bustamante?

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good luck to you.

All right.

Our next item is item number 13.

Item number 13.

It's located at 4031 South Florida Street, going from RM4 residential mixed district to RM4 residential mixed district.

Sorry, RM4 C D with a conditional use for tobacco store retail.

23 notices were sent zero in favor, zero posts.

The St.

Leo's neighborhood association did not provide a response.

Step does not find evidence of likely adverse impacts on the neighboring lands in relation to this change of zoning requests.

The proposed use is consistent with the established development pattern in the surrounding area.

Surrounding properties are C2, commercial district, IDZ1 infill development zone for MF18 and C3 General Commercial District.

The existing RM4 residential mixed district is an appropriate zoning for the property and surrounding area.

The proposed RM4 CD residential mixed district with a conditional use for tobacco store retail is also appropriate.

The subject properties are budding and located within proximity to existing residential and commercial based zoning districts.

The subject properties is located along a minor secondary arterial which can accommodate the proposed commercial use.

The conditional use will request will preserve the residential base zoning district and require a prescribed site plan that cannot be changed without further public review.

The applicant is here to answer any questions.

Very good.

Mr.

Moskovich, if you would.

Okay, commissioners.

Uh wait, wait till you get up here because we're not picking up that.

And if you give us your address as well, too.

No, yeah.

Uh Max Moscovich attorney for applicant, uh, Moshko Law Firm 321, South Forest Street, suite six.

Uh I'm also the applicant myself and the owner of the property.

Um do you have a presentation?

I mean, I can offer a little bit about why I'm seeking this rezoning, but perfect.

I don't think we need a power plant.

Okay, awesome.

Awesome.

Um I'm currently the owner of 4031 South Forest Street, and we have this change of zoning pending.

Uh my wife and I moved to San Antonio about three years ago to pursue our dreams of opening two small businesses.

One of them being uh my law firm that offers both standard fee pricing as well as a lot of low-cost flat fee type stuff for people needing legal services.

And the second one was a full service real estate brokerage specializing in bridging the gap between investors who buy the properties and the tenants who actually keep them afoot.

So providing affordable housing.

Uh this property here is kind of our ode to doing that ourselves.

Uh we finally were able to purchase a property that's on the same street where I opened up, hung my own shingle, opened up my little law firm in January of this year.

And we kind of had a misconception in purchasing the property.

When we bought it, uh we were under the full impression that there was actually pre-existing commercial use, but because the uh seller who sold us the property pulled residential permits, he discontinued all the pre-existing commercial use.

And come to find when I'm trying to rent it to a CBD and tobacco retailer.

Uh they're unable to get their C of O because it's solely residential.

I want to keep the current RM4 uh zoning because I believe on a boulevard style street that has a lot of commercial businesses.

Once more come to the area, some form of housing specifically, something that allows up to a fourplex would be more beneficial come five years, ten years, fifteen years from now.

So I definitely want to keep the RM4 zoning.

There's a back unit, it's a two-unit property.

The front would be a retail store.

The back unit is an apartment that currently has a tenant who resides there, compliant with the current RM4 zoning.

Uh great person.

He's gonna continue living there throughout the duration of his lease, and the business that wants to come is a really well kept, professionally ran uh smoke, tobacco, and CBD retailer.

They've been in business for three years.

They have two other locations in San Antonio.

I know the owners personally, they run it like corporate style, kind of it I laugh, you know, with them, but kind of how I run my law firm, except we're in completely different, you know, service and product industries.

But that's just a little bit about my respective tenant, about myself as the owner, and I'm representing myself on this whole thing.

All right, thank you, Mr.

Moscow.

Thank you.

Any public comment?

There is no public comment.

All right.

This is again a district three case.

So Commissioner Hina Hosa, to you for questions.

Couple questions real quick.

Um mentioned tobacco store, but is it is it a vape shop or is C D C B D?

I mean what what kind of product?

Uh the types of products.

I mean, I would have to kind of get him on the phone, but I know they sell not stuff that's getting banned by the new vape ordinance that's coming.

Um they're fully ready to comply with the breath ordinance and get you know a survey from an engineer, whoever provides that kind of mapping.

Umly I know that they sell like CBD products in the form of like stuff with droppers or edible or something like that.

As far as tobacco, um they sell blends, so like roll your own type stuff, and they're also aspiring to be a cafe that does baked goods and like matcha C B D.

Gotcha.

What about like glassware or like other novelty products that I don't think that they carry any other novelty products?

Um as far as glassware, I know that they carry some pendants and some wearables in terms of like stuff to consume C BD products and stuff like that.

I would have to confer with them.

I'm not sure about the extent.

I've been into their store one time and it had a lot of like pre-packaged C B D type tobacco button stuff.

Can you come closer to the microphone, please?

Oh sorry, bye that yep.

Okay, thank you.

And uh I think one more question.

Um maybe two more.

The look the other locations, they you said they have two other locations?

As far as I know, yes, two.

Uh one of them is a wholesale location that they're gonna, it's like a licensed wholesaler that they have uh that they're gonna use to stock their two retail stores.

Okay, thank you.

And then staff question for you.

Do we have uh and friendly NA on on this uh Yes?

He We do have that.

Yes, he is requesting T C2 NA.

Perfect with the conditional use.

Just double checking on that.

Thank you.

All right.

And so let me make sure that's an amendment, correct?

It's already on there.

It was proposed C2NA.

Okay, perfect.

Great.

All right.

Any uh further questions?

Not right now, thank you.

Someone might ask you a question.

Yes, Commissioner Huey.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Uh question for staff.

Is there a restriction um of uh vape shops or smoke shops and distance to uh uh churches?

Not um not to churches.

We have the breathe uh regulations that were just recently um adopted, uh which the applicant did notify.

So it's basically from schools and daycares.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh any further questions, commissioners to my right.

Commissioner Chase.

Questions?

All right, seeing none.

Commissioners to my left.

Yes, Commissioner Sipes.

Uh question.

Sorry, go ahead.

No, I am sorry.

You had mentioned about the NA, and I I was got it confused.

They're they're asking for RM, they're keeping a residential base zone.

So we don't add an NA for that.

So I apologize.

All right.

Sorry, go ahead.

Uh question for staff, and that is um, since it's a C D, we could make certain conditions such as no wavy flags and stuff like that.

That is correct.

Okay.

That's all.

All right.

Any further questions?

Commissioners to my left.

Don't make me do the wavy man movement.

Please do.

All right.

Uh there being no further questions.

Uh this is a district three case, Commissioner Hina Hosa, to you for discussion and potential motion.

Yes.

Uh one more question then I can do the uh hours of operation.

What do you see that as, or do you know?

Uh 10 to eight.

10 to 8, you said?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

10 a.m.

to say, yeah.

Also, when you're doing a um a commercial use on a residential base zoning, you have uh specific guidelines with um signage also with hours of operation.

I think it's from 8 a.m.

to 6 p.m.

Let me double check.

And while we're getting clarification for that, um I was able to walk the property and look at that.

I mean, I think it's a great use.

I mean, right across the street is the Rudy Seafood.

I mean, next door is this tax office uh with their little wavy flag.

So it I you know I don't see anything pending or there's no schools or anything around there.

Um I think this would be a great usage of that of that property.

Thank you, Commissioner.

With with chair approval, I can go into song at this time.

Uh I thought you were I thought your specialty was banned, so I don't want you singing.

That's true.

So just so I can confirm.

Yes, if you are doing um a non-residential use on a residential district with a conditional use, um, no exterior display of sign with the exception of that of a nameplate not not exceeding three square feet in the area.

No construction features shall be permitted, which would place the structure out of character with the surrounding residential neighborhood.

And business hours of operation shall not be permitted before 7 a.m.

or after 6 p.m.

So 10 to 6.

Yeah.

Or you can always, you know, technically they could open at 7 a.m.

Technically.

Technically, yes.

Morning crowd.

Yeah, morning.

For the goodies.

The debate goods.

Okay, so I'd like to make a motion for like there was one more question I was going to ask.

Maybe not.

So I'd like to make a motion for approval.

There is a motion for approval of item number 13 by Commissioner Hinohosa.

Is there a second?

I'll say.

All right, Commissioner Batos is the second.

Discussion.

Commissioners to my right.

Seeing none.

Commissioner Chase.

None.

Commissioners to my left.

Yes, Commissioner Sipes.

Oh, I hate to do this.

Can I ask one quick qu a clarification question?

Okay.

Since uh Kelly, since you you mentioned um that it has to be in intext or or it has to to look residential.

Does that by definition mean that we don't have to say anything about wavy banners or pennants and stuff like that?

Well, those are more for permanent items.

Since a wavy, those signs are more of a temporary nature.

Then that's they would not be regulated in these certain conditions.

Okay, so so uh friendly admit amendment to uh add a prohibition to for um no temporary signs, wind waivers, penance, bandit or snipe signs?

Yes, those.

Okay.

There is a friendly amendment for the pennant banners, etc.

Uh is that accepted?

Commissioner Hina Hosa.

Um say yes.

I I would agree.

The only thing is like right across the street, Rudy's has their signs next door.

The tax office has their signs.

Uh I'm not gonna be hurt.

Okay, uh sure.

Let's we'll add the family amendment.

Okay, so the friendly amendment is accepted.

Commissioner Bottos, is the friendly amendment accepted?

Yes, sir.

Yes, okay.

All right.

Um is to my left all right.

Uh the motion is for approval uh with the friendly amendment as stated on the record by uh Commissioner Hina Hosa by Commissioner Bottos and Commissioner Sipes.

Roll call vote, please.

Commissioner I know?

Yes.

Commissioner Barros?

Yes.

Commissioner Kellum.

Yes.

Commissioner Lotha?

Yes.

Commissioner Pete Rodriguez?

Yes.

Commissioner Huey?

Aye.

Commissioner Sipes?

Yes.

Commissioner Kelly?

Yes.

Commissioner Chase.

Yes.

Chair Bustamante?

Aye.

Motion carries.

All right, very good.

Good luck.

Thank you so much, Commissioner.

Have a great day.

Uh all right.

Any further items?

Just minutes?

Just the minutes.

Just the minutes.

All right.

Uh with respect to the minutes.

Are there any changes, amendments?

Quibbles, complaints.

Looking left, seeing none.

Looking right, seeing none.

Looking at Commissioner Chase, seeing none.

All right.

Is there a motion?

Motion to accept.

All right.

There's a motion to accept the minutes as uh submitted by Commissioner Huey.

Is there a second?

All right.

Second by Commissioner Bottos.

Uh this vote shall be by acclamation.

All those in favor of accepting the minutes as submitted, say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, same sign.

All right.

Is there a director's report?

We have a birthday today.

Oh.

I should have gotten that.

And she really loves hugs.

No, I'm kidding.

Um just wanted to wish a happy birthday to Samantha, one of my planners.

She's awesome.

So everybody should say happy birthday.

I mean, everyone's been threatening to sing this.

Do we want to sing happy birthday?

I'm going to turn off my microphone, but I think that's a good question.

No, we don't have to sing just for the sake.

We don't have to sing, but everyone.

It's your birthday, you get to choose.

All right.

So we will not sing at the request of the birthday girl.

All right.

Um there being no further business before the zoning commission for the city of San Antonio.

The time is 3 01, and this meeting of the City of San Antonio Zoning Commission is adjourned.