Okay, everybody, it is two o'clock, and we will call the October 8th, 2025 Planning Commission meeting to order.

Would staff please do a roll call?

Commissioner Sanchez.

Present.

Commissioner Dezuckey.

Present.

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Ulett?

Here.

Commissioner Mylam.

Here.

Commissioner Orion.

Here.

Commissioner Bustamante.

Present.

Commissioner Siegel?

Here.

Chair Peck.

Here.

A quorum is present.

Thank you.

Can we have the Spanish English interpreter, please?

Good afternoon.

Buenas tardes.

Gracias.

Thank you.

All right.

Today we will have two agendas.

We're going to have the combined hearing agenda and the individual hearing agenda.

Cases on the combined hearing agenda are cases where the planning commission does not require further detailed discussion.

Nobody in the audience has signed up to speak on the item and staff is recommending approval.

All the combined hearing agenda items will be read into the record in one unified motion.

Anything not on the combined hearing agenda will be on the individual hearing agenda.

Those cases will be heard individually before any action is taken.

So what I have right now, I have items three, six, nine, and ten are on individual.

Is that correct?

I believe you were going to keep three and six on the combined agenda and Bustamante is going to recuse.

Okay, we can do it that way.

We'll keep three and six on there and we'll kick out.

Commissioner Bustamante sounds good.

So item nine and ten are only on individual.

Correct.

Great.

Okay.

Well, with that being said, is there any further discussion on the items on the combined hearing agenda?

Just say it's 202.

Yes.

I'll say that.

If not, we'll entertain a motion.

And for the record, item two has been postponed.

It is not part of a combined hearing agenda.

And what?

And number eight.

Number eight.

Is postponed as a postponed as well.

George.

Can we entertain a motion?

I move to approve the consent agenda as stated by the chair.

Second.

Okay, we have a motion and a second.

And for the record, Commissioner Bustamante left the meeting at 202.

Staff, please do a roll call.

Commissioner San Um sorry, Commissioner Siegel?

Yes.

Commissioner Mylam.

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez?

Yes.

Commissioner Dezucki?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez.

Yes.

Commissioner Ulett.

Yes.

Commissioner Orion.

Yes.

Chair Peck.

Yes.

Motion passes for approval.

Great.

Somebody let Commissioner Bustamante know he can come back.

All right.

It's 2003.

Commissioner Bustamante has re-entered the meeting.

We will move on to item number nine.

You're up to it.

Well, good afternoon, everyone.

Uh Clayton Wallace interim principal planner with development services.

Uh item nine.

This is a request for a resolution to amend the camp bullets extra-territorial jurisdiction, military protection, area land use plan from low-den city residential to community commercial located to 8860 crossbound trail.

Fifteen notices were mailed, six in favor, three opposed within the two hundred feet, outside two hundred feet, seventy-five opposed, one in support.

The applicant seeks a plan amendment to community commercial to allow for an outdoor event venue.

Again, the proposed community commercial is not uh compatible with other land uses in the area.

Community commercial is intended to be located in proximity to major intersections and along existing commercial corridors.

The properties located along Cross Mount Trail, a local road as an adjacent to and with an exclusively residential areas.

While the event venue itself could be compatible with the existing neighborhood, it's the other uses that are allowed in compatible community commercial that would be detrimental to the existing character of the neighborhood with no way uh to limit the specific use through zoning.

Staff recommends denial.

JBSA sent its standard comments.

Um just as a refresher, we're so we're still recommending denial.

You've heard this item.

This is the third time it's being heard.

Uh this appeared on October 27th and September 24th.

Um the applicant is here to ask for an additional continuance.

So I'll let them speak now.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

Emily Weissler with Kelly Griffin and Ferryman, 10101, reunion place, suite 250.

Um happy to talk about this plan amendment again.

Um but first really appreciate your patience with this.

Um the Cross Mountain Ranch HOA board was not able to meet with us um to discuss restrictive covenants um until yesterday morning.

Um and to come to an agreement.

Um we are very, very close.

Um and would respectfully request that additional two weeks so we can finalize that this week as well.

I'm happy to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I know we had some voicemails, and there's nobody signed up to speak.

We had voicemails on this.

Um I guess we need to hear those before that question.

We're giving them two minutes.

This is a white beat up my A.

I did the 626 is range.

Uh I live in uh Curvontan Soctor, have been in Curse Mount and Range since 2002.

Very large a uh lots, uh two to four acres, uh peaceful tranquility, um out of town.

Very unique features, and unfortunately, I think in this case, being to see the two by uh 061 in charge was to make uh a commercial an area which has been for a long time residential.

I think it is a mistake, not just from the animal point of view.

I like what I did.

It is bad for the city.

Uh San Antonio has unique features, uh that you cannot find in many other places, nice hills, a lot of forest, a lot of uh land in this area.

Changing that uh will really buy the bag for the city of San Antonio.

Uh people try to move in the city and find a region of saying this is something which cannot be reproduced probably ever again.

Uh changing this will create a uh something that other people might continue to use.

We might destroy this particular piece of blind, which is unique.

And I thus not think of myself as a person, I'm thinking of a city as a whole.

This person can obviously find other places nearby with She can put actually the commercial property.

Okay, she wants to do is not.

Good morning, my name is Charlotte Silverberg.

My case number is PA-2025-061.

I live at 23015 Central Prairie, San Antonio, 78255.

I am opposed to the change in the development services.

Um it would cause a problem inside of our neighborhood as well as um destroy the character of the neighborhood.

Um this is a rural neighborhood that does not need any commercial development.

Yes, this is David Warner.

I'm at 9309 Schoolhouse Road in Cross Mountain Rans.

The case number is PA-2025-061.

I and my wife oppose this change as to IC and she sees nothing positive coming out of this change.

The owners of that property could sell it as soon as it's changed.

And it is going to be the first thing when you enter our property, and it is surrounded by the property of the ranch.

So please, please not let this change go through.

Thank you.

Bye.

Um 23437, good night, 11 case number.

Uh I am a homeowner in Cross Mountain Ranch.

And uh strictly opposed changing, modifying, or circumventing the current Cross Mountain regulations that are related to the changes that are being proposed at 8860 Cross Mountain Trail.

Um basically approval this public proposal uh will amount to greatly increasing a health and safety issue we are currently experiencing with traffic and noise on Cross Mountain.

Uh Cross Mountain is no flow street.

However, we've it's not being enforced, so we're doing a deal with that.

We have walkers, bicycle riders, kids playing, etc.

on that street.

Uh personally, my wife has been run off of the road twice, myself once by an 18-wheeler.

So this is a subdivision, is what it is.

There's a two-acre sites here.

Uh million dollar homes.

But anyway, the entire subdivision is against this.

Uh don't know of anyone that uh is in favor of this except the the developer and the person selling the property.

But my first question why did the developer choose this site in Cross Mountain Ranch?

The basic cost of acreage, I would imagine.

Uh there are plenty of sites along Burney Stage and be more expensive.

But with this site, if it goes in as being proposed, it will greatly decrease the property values in Cross Mountain Ranch.

So we the effect to all the property owners my name is 23231 South Fork in Cross Mountain Subdivision.

Uh phone numbers 21071-1362.

I'm calling regarding KAS 2025-061.

Cross Mountain Ranch.

Is a beautiful residential subdivision.

It should be used for nothing else.

Thank you.

Bye.

I live at 9108 Mule Train, San Antonio, Texas, 78255.

My phone number is 210854-9185.

This is for item number P is in Paul A two oh two five-0861 relating to zoning of a residential property into rural um commercial property in Cross Mountain Ranch.

Um this determination of whether a neighborhood can have a commercial zoning in the middle of it, could affect hundreds, if not thousands of neighborhoods throughout the city and state.

Um this is something that should not happen.

We have children walking, school buses through the neighborhood.

We have residents walking, uh as well as driving.

Uh the access of a commercial property would result in possible uh intoxications at night, especially during the day when there are parties, which could cause definitely uh problems when driving through the neighborhood.

Uh the noise factor as well.

Um this is a quiet neighborhood.

It should not be impacted by a commercial property in the middle of it.

There are thousands of neighborhoods like this throughout the United States, and all the commercial properties are on the very outskirts of them.

Um it is a definite road hazard for children and seniors as well as people riding their bikes.

Um my family and I are totally against this uh zoning.

Thank you very much.

This is Susan Penrod, 22959 Central Prairie, San Antonio, 78255, phone number 210853457.

And this is regarding case number PA-2025-116061.

I'm calling to state my opposition to changing the designation at 1860 Cross Mountain Trail from low density residential to community commercial.

I would say that there are many reasons why we don't want to have this change in our community, this residential community outside of San Antonio proper.

But just the key issue to me, as we're recognized by Bear County, is safety.

This is a very windy road, uh uh Cross Mountain Trail on which this lot sits, and there are a parade of trucks and cars that use it as a um shortcut.

And there are a parade of trucks and cars that use it as a shortcut.

The speeding is big issue because actions happen on there on this road because it is so windy and there are no street lights.

The county has taken action by placing speed monitors to keep the traffic within the speed limit of 30 and have posted no three traffic signs at the entrances of Cross Mountain.

They recognize the issue here of safety.

The lot is located on a blind corner, which requires reduced speed.

The um curving.

That's all right.

That's all the voicemails, and nobody has signed up to speak on this item.

So there's close the public hearing and we'll move on to commissioner questions or a motion.

I move to approve the continuance to the October 22nd meeting.

Second.

Okay, we have a motion to approve the continuance to October 27, 22nd.

That's a two-week continuance, and we have a second by Commissioner DeSucci.

Staff, please do a uh roll vote.

Commissioner Siegel.

Yes.

Commissioner Dezucki?

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez.

Yes.

Commissioner Lett.

Yes.

Commissioner Mylam.

Yes.

Commissioner Orion.

Yes.

Commissioner Bustamante.

Chair Peck.

Yes.

Motion passes for continuance.

Great.

Thank you.

Okay, we'll move on to item 10.

Uh it is 217, and Commissioner Siegel has to recuse from this item, so she will leave the meeting.

Good afternoon.

My name is Ashley Leal, Senior Planner with Development Services.

Item number 10 is a request to amend the arena district slash east side community plan from light industrial, community commercial, high density residential, medium density residential, and parks open space to community commercial, mixed use, and light industrial, generally bounded by Frostbank Center Drive to the west, the Union Pacific Railroad Trucks to the north, Salado Creek to the east, and Willow Springs Golf Course to the South.

The proposed LER aims to align zoning with existing land use, support future redevelopment, and protect residents from heavy industrial uses.

Subject area is part of the arena district east side community plan that was adopted in December 2003.

Current land use for the subject area is a mixture of light industrial, medium density, and some community commercial.

Staff is proposing 49 plan amendments.

32 of those are going from light industrial to community commercial, 14 from residential and parks open space to community commercial, and three others going from community commercial to light industrial and mixed use.

Staff is requesting the plan amendments to align with 67 proposed rezoning changes.

This LER was heard before zoning commission on October 7th and recommended approval with friendly amendments for 10 properties.

If planning commission wishes to align the recommendation with zoning commission, staff can clarify which amendments are needed to do so.

Staff noticed all property owners within the subject area and held two community meetings in August at the Barbara Jordan Community Center.

The project is tentatively set to go before city council on November 6th for final consideration.

Staff posted four signs in various locations within the subject area.

And 454 notices were mailed, 104 in favor, 19 in opposition, outside of 200 feet, one in favor and one opposed, and the United Homeowners Neighborhood Association and Government Hill Alliance is in support.

Staff recommends approval and there is public comment.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Um I believe there is voicemails.

Let's do that.

Once again, two minutes.

My name is Jack.

Last name is Finger, like finger on the hand, F-I-N-D-E-R.

I'm just my mailing address is post office bot number one two zero four eight in San Antonio.

The zip code is 78212.

Yes.

I'm calling a reference to item number 10, I believe it is, uh number reference number uh page number 0054.

Yes, uh the uh situation on the district two area.

The uh I am against that, and um I I routinely come to the zoning commission meetings of regarding various uh controversial issues.

I on a on rare occasions I will come to the planning commission meeting.

I think you should uh uh vote against this.

I think from what I've learned, in fact, too many people are now learning what a massive well takeover this is on the east side.

Uh we're finding out the the it's uh the plan is to place eventually place the residential uh areas into what are now industrial areas, and uh I think that's a very incompatible fit.

Uh I mean, and especially when you consider the industrial areas that do, of course, provide jobs for all the people who live in that area.

We're talking about the the Exxon storage tanks, uh we're talking about the storage and the removal as the storage and uh uh moving company that's in that area.

Where are they supposed to go when when they are my name is Gordon M.

Benjamin, the last name D E N J A M I N.

I reside at 910 North Mittman Street, apartment 213, San Antonio, Texas, 78202.

My phone number is 210987048.

The last three digits of the case I'm uh calling about is 054.

Um calling in support of the application for a light industrial designation on behalf of the United Home Owners Improvement Association, uh which is inclusive of both the Willow Woods and Metal View North Neighborhoods.

Uh, we are seeking a designation of light industrial for the area as opposed to heavy industrial designation.

The two residential areas also include one elementary school, Vellow Cameron, Flex Park, uh, and then a large apartment complex just off Denver Road.

Uh, the negative traffic impact from heavy trucks include high amounts of dust debris and has uh a significant negative impact on residents as well as uh represent safety hazards to those who walk or cycle for exercise.

And we have the Denver Heights Neighborhood Association, of which I am vice president of Austin Hour support for the requested designation on the above area on behalf of the United Homeowners Improvement Association, and we thank you for your consideration today.

We reside at 723 Frostbank Center Drive, and we are in favor of the large area of resignment.

I cell phone number 210254 6565.

Thank you.

Anthony, um, on 3643 version drive, and I'm calling about case number PA 2025, 116054.

Um, and this is the arena district east community plan.

I just want to let the commission know I would like them to um put this forward.

Um yes, and to continue on the proposed plan.

Amendment changes.

Um for the United Homeowners Improvement Association area.

Um that is my comment.

Thank you.

Name is Maria Patricia Marill.

My address is 3402 Chateau Drive, San Antonio, Texas, 78219.

I am calling up our composition 054, and uh I am voting for it.

Um reason being is because the traffic, there's a lot of uh tractor trailers that are driving down our streets, the noise um also all the uh people driving fast on our gold next to our house.

This usually happens between uh three and five, and then also from H210.

Uh there is a lot of uh noise uh after hours where we hear all the um the forklifts reversing uh throughout the night uh the pollution, the dust uh that comes up because of all the different warehouses that are working.

Um thank you.

Bye-bye.

Patrick Von Dolan, District 914546, Brookhall Boulevard number 402, San Antonio and Texas 78232.

Calling regards to case number 2025-116054, and I'm requesting to deny or at a minimum postpone for 90 days to allow engagement with the business owners and the commercial industrial owners in District 2.

This project uh by staff has moved very fast.

There's been a failure to analyze alternatives to down zoning with conditional use, and that will immediately not only devalue properties, impact taxes, and impact adversely impact businesses and small business owners, and we have a duty as a city of government authority to make sure we do right and do no harm, and the appearance is a favoritism towards a bias and not looking at objective reality and a history of what's been there for more than 60 years.

These small business owners in the industrial area deserve to have due process, and there has been no due process this point.

Appreciate your consideration, appreciate denying this, or at least at a bare minimum, postponing it for 90 days.

Have a good day.

My name is Sue Calberg.

My address is 1003 Creek View Drive, 78219.

My phone number is 210825-4550.

I am calling in reference to case number 2025-116054, the large area rezoning plant.

I have been a resident of the area since the late 90s, and my home on Preekview Drive is the in the boundary area that is under consideration.

As somebody who participated in the original arena area east side community plan process, I'm glad that this proposal is moving forward because I believe protecting the legacy neighborhood and the valuable neighbors in the UHIA area is a very worthy goal.

So too, would be enforcing the rules that already exist.

So many of our continuing challenges we face seem to be related to the businesses that don't follow the proper procedures and the city's steadfast habit of not taking any timely and substantive action to protect our people who have been active, responsive taxpayers here for decades.

My advice, listen to the pleas of these residents, and on a daily basis, everyone should be doing their jobs.

When violations are reported, meaningful action should be taken.

We shouldn't have to fight so hard all the time for equitable treatment.

And do what you can to grant the fervent request of the people who are devoted to this effort.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you for your service.

I appreciate all of you.

This is Tony Nelson.

I live at 3626 Willow Wood Texas.

78219.

That's in the um area near Flitz Park.

And I am in favor of the rezoning of this area that is near us for the simple fact that this is a residential area that has been surrounded by far too many industry.

The fume, the dust, and everything that has caused is really a use to the area and is a health concern as well.

Um because of all the dust in the air, the awful fumes that are sometimes present.

This is a very nice area.

So I hope that you all will consider it and rezone the area.

Thank you.

Bye bye.

Telephone number 213, not 210.

309 1529.

My address is 3654 Burstai Drive.

B E R S A I L L E S.

Like the Palace in France.

I am calling to voice my uh vote in favor of the rezoning from heavy industrial to light industrial.

I believe the item agenda number is PPA 2025-116 00054.

I uh would like to express my concern for the large trucking companies that are in our neighborhood along Belgium, Brussels, Paulson, and Gimbler Road.

The tire company Colon C O L A N They have tire stored outside, visible that are collecting water when it rains to breed mosquitoes, which is not good for our neighborhood.

The trucks, uh just trucking, and I don't know the other names of the other trucking companies, but their drivers fly down Belgium Lane when they're turning off a frost parkway.

They fly down Gimler Road, but those Amazon trucks fly out of that parking lot where they just started parking, their calf, they fly out of that parking lot.

My name is William Howell.

I live at 3402 Chateau Drive, 78219.

And I'm calling about the rezoning that you guys are doing to uh 054.

My complaint is too much traffic, too much speeding, a lot of pollution.

We don't need all those damn businesses.

They could move elsewhere.

There's lots of room because obviously they're making Project Marvel, so there's room to move.

And so I vote that we keep it a residential zoning.

Thank you.

Morning.

This is Sherry Villier Roman from 1302 Fun Bay and Drive.

My phone number is 206-658, 3650.

I'm calling for case number ending in 0054, or the rezoning of EHIA.

Now, we are highly in favor of the rezoning as it will protect our community from harmful industrial encroachments.

The current zoning has explicit racial execution, which do not have place in our community.

Heavy industrial zoning has no place in our community as it creates conflicts across health, safety, environment, infrastructure, property values, and social well-being.

So again, we are highly in favor of the rezoning.

Thank you.

Okay.

That is all the voicemail, so we will move on to uh those that have signed up to speak.

Uh first on the list is Tom Roadie.

Um name and address for the record, you'll have two minutes.

I have a gentleman who's going to give me his time.

Mr.

Art Villarreal is giving his time.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

You have four minutes.

Tom Roadie, I reside at 200 Redwood.

I also have a business at 602 Gimbal Road.

It's called Alamo KOA Campgrounds.

It's the largest property in this uh neighborhood plan, it's 38 acres.

We've been there since 1967.

I helped my dad and my two uncles build it.

Uh we were there about the same time the homeowners were building their houses.

We've owned the property since the early 60s.

Um we're a KOA campground, and we're not really a campground.

We're what's called a KOA holiday resort.

We have an event center there for campers when they travel in groups.

We sell bulk propane.

We have swimming pools, we have a grocery store that sells beer and wine.

Um, and we have camping cabins.

We have about three dozen camping cabins.

A camping cabin is not a mobile home, and it's not an RV, it's a camping cabin.

It's not a permanent residence, it's not on the slab.

I am totally, totally in favor of the neighborhood group's attempt to eliminate the heavy industrial uses.

We've been good neighbors for over 60 years.

Um here have known my dad and my uncles and have come to the campground and many have stayed there.

Uh many years ago when we first got opened during the hemisphere, we employed a lot of the kids in the neighborhood.

So we've been a good neighbor.

We've not only been a good neighbor to our adjacent neighbors, we've been a good neighbor to the city.

We've donated land all the way from our KOA campground all the way up to Fort Sam Houston, uh, almost probably a hundred acres.

It's now part of it is called the Al Rhodi Nature Preserve.

Um we've donated land across the street to the city to it for the Slaughter Creek hike and bike trail.

We've donated land adjoining our campground for the hike and bike trail.

Uh when I say we've been a good neighbor, we've been a very good neighbor to the area.

Uh what I'm against is the C2 zoning application that the councilman has asked you all to consider.

I think that's an overreach of zoning powers.

That's the minimum uh commercial usage we could possibly allow for a lot of the stuff that's there.

What what the elephant in the room doesn't tell you is if you try to rezone, I mean if you rezone our land C2 conditional use under the new state law, which nobody's talking about.

I went to one neighborhood meeting at Barbara Jordan and nobody brought it up, staffer, none of the uh people in the audience.

You now can build 65 apartment units per acre in C commercially zoned property.

That's gonna allow us, if we reclaimed our floodplain land, we could build 2,470 apartments.

If you rezone the other two or three hundred acres across the street to C zoning, you're basically changing a warehouse district to an affordable housing district of 65 units per acre.

Um once you think 10 years, 20 years out, you can tear down a five-acre warehouse in the future.

The land's more valuable to build 350 apartment units.

A 10-acre vacant truckyard could build 650 apartment units.

I don't think what that's what the neighborhood intended.

I don't think that's what the councilman intended.

I'm opposed to the C2 zoning.

In our specific instance, when I went to Barbara Jordan and NASA staff, what is an R V park take in zoning?

It took a little while for them to get back to me.

They said manufactured housing park, MHP.

Uh my zoning consultant, Art says we probably should be MHP with conditional use for a campground.

I've spent two hours on Chat GPT, and it says it's better to be a manufactured housing park with conditional zoning than it is to be under C2.

The base layer is C2 controller.

I'm done.

Yeah, it was four minutes.

Sorry, yeah, you're next.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate your comments.

Next is Patrick Christensen.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

Patrick Christensen, 315 East Commerce.

I'm here on behalf of Dick Peacock.

He's a property owner in the area.

He has about nine properties on Brussels and I'm forgetting Paulson Street.

His issue is he doesn't have businesses in these warehouses.

What he has, he's a landlord, so he has tenants.

So I don't want to get into zoning because I know this is planning, but with what the city is giving him, every time he gets a new tenant, he's gonna have to come and rezone because they're giving him the C2 conditional district for things like warehousing.

So if he gets a machine shop or something like that, he's got to do rezoning.

How that affects the plan amendment is that he's also gonna be stuck sometimes doing plan amendments, sometimes not.

So what we're asking this commission is to follow what the zoning commission did yesterday.

I'm not sure if you've heard, but they basically took staff's recommendation and modified it a little bit for for my clients to allow him to have L zoning and a couple of other uh representatives that are here for their clients.

So for my client, I would ask that he be allowed to keep the light industrial designation on most of his properties and on one that's on Brussels, it appears to be their medium or high density residents.

We would just ask that that be changed to light industrial.

Um just gonna comment here.

You know, staff says, well, they're we're giving zoning to these properties that so they can keep doing what they're what they're doing today.

And there's no site plan requirement with the conditional district they're receiving, so they can expand it.

Well, again, that doesn't really help my client because his properties are all fully developed with warehouses, large office flex type buildings.

He's not going to tear those down to make them any bigger.

He's just gonna get stuck with empty properties that he can't lease because most uh tenants want instant zoning, they don't want to wait four months for a zoning change.

And he's gonna have to go through that cost, time, and expense to rezone every time he gets a new tenants, which with nine properties, that's a lot, and that's what I'm asking for today.

Just allow us to keep the light industrial, have this body's recommendation match what the zoning commission did yesterday.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Christensen.

Uh next is Cliff.

I can't really read the last name.

Is it Sidena?

Sideno?

Sedanio.

I have uh two individuals also yielding some time.

Okay.

Uh Ms.

Biggs.

And uh Plummer.

Okay, what was the first one?

Doris Biggs.

Doris Vicks and Sherlita Plummer.

Got it.

Thank you.

You'll have six minutes.

Thank you.

Name and address for the record, too.

Good afternoon, Commissioners.

My name is Clip Sidaniel, 1314 Fontaine Drive.

Yesterday, during zoning discussion, Commissioner Ken Huey uh said something that really struck me deeply.

He said to everyone in the room, and we filled this room.

Your past leaders failed you.

And I find that statement to be true, in my opinion.

For more than 50 years, the families of the UHIA neighborhoods have endured the failures of past leadership.

Living under heavy industrial zoning that brings dust into their lungs, homes, trucks tearing up their streets, and pollution threatening the health and children's futures.

We cannot change the past.

But with you, we can help change the future.

Today we ask that you do what past leaders would not do.

Deliver to this community the basic protections that we have waited far too long for.

For decades, UHIA has held monthly public meetings.

Poets' signs along Belgium Lane, Gembler Road, Paul Paulson, and Brussels, so that residents and businesses alike would know when and where to join us.

We went door to door, introduced ourselves as neighborhood association, and I have personally emailed problematic businesses about neighbor concerns over dust and pollution.

I've even visited those offices in person.

And what we what we got in return is resistance and silence.

But the truth is it really upsets me.

I'm sorry.

Now that we want the businesses are saying they want more time, but the truth is that they have had decades of time, 50 years, and they have not come to the table.

Let me be clear.

This is not an anti-business movement.

We have worked and welcomed any responsible partner in our community.

We've worked with the City of San Antonio Stormworks to improve our drainage at Pletts Park.

We've worked with the San Antonio Rodeo on beautification projects with Bear County Parks and Recreation with Res Care Facility on supporting adults with disabilities, Union Pacific on corridor beautification, even with Starbucks to provide meeting space and community support.

The difference is simple.

Those partners actually showed up and they engaged.

The problematic business is they didn't show up.

We also cannot ignore the bigger economic picture.

We know that the Spurs are going to leave the Frostbank Center by 2032.

The official reason is that the arena is outdated, but we all know that that's just a polite way for them to say that they didn't want to be in a location that is surrounded by heavy industrial truckyard depots and blight.

But that failure goes back decades.

When the Spurs first came to that arena, city leaders should have rezoned that area to lay down the foundation for a vibrant entertainment district.

Instead, they left the area to stagnate.

Now the San Antonio Rodeo wants to expand to a year-round attraction, which is a tremendous opportunity for our area.

We support it.

But ask yourselves this.

Who will want to visit and stay and spend their money in an area that still looks and feels like an industrial zone?

No, we cannot keep making the same mistakes.

If we want the rodeo to succeed, we must make the area clean, safe, and welcoming, and that begins with rezoning.

Yesterday, we heard the concerns that rezoning might harm businesses, but the facts tell a different story.

Your own staff found that no current business in the UHIA boundaries require an I-2 or an I-1 zoning for the way that they operate today.

In fact, several are allegedly out of compliance, some lack of proper certificate of occupancy, unpermitted structures on the property, and are not conforming.

The new zoning plan would actually help bring these businesses into compliance by granting them conditional use status, allowing them to continue operating legally.

So when they say that rezoning is going to force them to shut their doors, that narrative is not true.

It's false.

This rezoning will not close down responsible businesses.

It'll prevent new heavy industrial uses from further harming this community.

Yes.

Most importantly, it will give the residents what they deserve.

Clean air, safe streets, and a future worth investing in.

After 50 years of waiting, commissioners, we don't need any more delays.

We need action.

Commissioners.

As Commissioner Ken Hughes said yesterday, your past leaders failed you.

And again, I believe that is true, in my opinion.

You now have a chance as leaders to finally help us get this right.

We cannot blame you for the failures of the past, but we can ask you to help us correct them.

Do not let the baseless conspiracy claims of last minute please for delay drown out the lived experience of these residents who have carried this burden for generations.

The time is now.

The Spurs departure is a warning for what happens when the neglect, when you neglect the community's potential, and the rodeo's vision is what is what we show when we act boldly.

So I ask you to approve the large air rezoning, help us turn decades of neglect into decades of opportunity, give our families the basic human rights, clean air, safe streets, and a community that we can all be proud of.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, next is Jesse Medellas.

Yes.

All right, thank you.

Two people are gonna yield their time to me.

Okay.

Um what address?

3407.

3407 Chateau.

Don't see the name on here.

What was it?

30.

Ray Ray, yeah.

It's R I C H A U D, first name Ray, 3407 Chateau Drive.

Sir, did you physically sign the sheet?

Who else?

Who else signed up?

It's not gonna see over time.

They took the paper early, so that's why um I don't think they meant to, but um that's all I'm doing to me as a name and address for the record.

You have four minutes.

My name is Jesse Medellis, and I'm from 1318.

Do you mind playing the video on mute in the background?

Y'all see a lot of the stuff that's going on.

So today I'm gonna take on a history class.

How are we here today?

How was this created?

Basically, you know, back in the days of racism, segregation, discrimination.

So they didn't know where they were gonna put the black community.

They didn't know where they were gonna put them, where the elite black African community, there's a lot of articles.

Where the elite black African community, there's a lot of articles.

Everything I'm saying, it's on the record.

You guys have a copy right in front of you.

Where are we going to put them?

We don't want to put them in the white areas.

We can't put them in Alamo Heights, but they serve our country.

We got veterans.

We got every we got um soldiers, we got doctors, we got lawyers, but they're black.

So what did they decide to do?

Plets decided to create an area.

There's a lot of articles about this.

Um decided to create an area for the elite black African American community.

Then you had a little bit of backlash around there saying, How can we protect the little bit of um people around the area?

Well, this is what cliff means about our leaders failed us, and this is what Cliff means also about guys.

There's things we gotta fix.

One of them is you can put on mute.

I want to read this to you, and the deed of trust is still up there, it's still in record.

It says said property shall never be sold or leased to a Negroes or Mexicans, Negroes or Mexicans.

Guys, this needs to stop.

That's all we're trying to do.

You guys look at the put look at the pollution right there.

Look at like uh Mr.

Donald.

You saw two, three years ago the poop all over our streets.

Y'all guys got to see videos.

Leaders like you allowed us to not smell shit and poop and urine for Thanksgiving.

So thank you.

Guys, today we can mark history.

This is a huge opportunity.

All we want is basic human rights.

Why was the basic human rights created?

The human rights perspective emphasizes environmental justice.

The principles that all people deserve equal environment protection.

This is a critical, this is critical because disadvantaged communities often poor, indigneous, and racial minority groups are frequently located closer to sources of pollution, and to to suffer disappropriately from its effects.

The human rights framework provides a legal tool to address these inequalities.

Implications for government and corporations.

The recognition of these rights create a legal foundation for individuals and communities to seek justice.

It means that governments have legally enforceable obligations to protect these rights, and the environmentally destructive policies can be challenged under the human rights legislation.

It is also a very important thing to understand.

When a community brings this to leaders like you guys, that's why this law was created to help us make this change.

How were we created through racial discrimination unjustice?

Hey, but we're here now.

What can we do to meet to meet halfway?

And we got a great relationship with the radio.

Great relationship.

We see them almost every month.

We're constantly doing things.

The nursing home, the elementary school, with almost half of the businesses.

But then we got the businesses, including the RV park.

We're bringing you the compliance.

This is a favor.

You just build a structure that does not even have permits.

Can we hear a thank you?

We don't want you guys out.

We're just saying enough is enough, but they want more.

All right, thank you.

Next is Ike Igolhart.

I have uh one young lady that will uh be the tall name.

I need a period.

Okay, I have uh material I'd like to give a gun.

You said Anita Perry.

It's Lenita, it's on the second page, sir.

Oh, Lenita.

Lenny, okay, got it.

Thank you.

Name and address, you'll have four minutes.

Yes, she's passing out my material right now.

Thank you.

I'm Thaddeus Eigelhard of 826 Timelo Drive.

One of my direct business neighbors is Mr.

Roadie, of which we've had no conflict.

In fact, we've had several friendly chats with some of the businesses directly around me before we walked into this meeting.

Okay, we are ready to move.

We are ready to update, to upgrade our zone.

There is no competition between business and residential.

October 7th, 2025, 1 p.m.

meeting with large uh landowners and businesses.

There were only three that expressed they had special needs, special classification, discussed and decided was no one property needed a heavy industrial I2 classification.

In our votes with the zoning commission are no votes.

Consideration for hearings based on further study of the only other six businesses which never attend or engage in any meetings, though they have been invited.

These six businesses do not attend public meetings.

Comments were made as if 20 other businesses needed to be addressed, no just six.

The community has no argument with these remaining businesses.

We asked the proceedings, the ideas of rezoning continue with approval of city planning.

Fifty years of poor zoning has been a bit long.

Future adjustments to our zone with permanent president's presence of rodeo year-round is now a reality.

Please assist us in making this a solid decision for all.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, James McKnight, 112 East Pacon with Ortiz McKnight.

I'm here on behalf of the property owner at 639 Gimbler Road, so it's one of the businesses.

Currently, the change right now we're at uh parks and open space for our land use, and city staff is recommending community commercial.

With the recommendation made at zoning commission, we'd actually need light industrial.

So we're asking that 639 Gimbler be uh light industrial instead of the community commercial that was recommended, consistent with the recommendation that zoning commission made.

There are uses on the the on the property that are not completely covered by everything that staff is recommending in the conditional use, which is why we're asking the base zoning to be raised from C2 to L, and consequently we need that land use as well.

One thing I'll say about that land use, light industrial, is that it it permits light industrial uses but also C3 uses and office uses.

So it's a it's a really good category to put there because it has kind of a transition area and does allow commercial uses as well.

So if this business goes away, what could go in there is commercial.

So it's kind of that in-between area.

It removes the I2 for sure.

We're not here uh to fight the movement that is taking place, and we believe in what they're talking about.

We don't need a heavy industrial.

We're just looking for that in-between compromise so that we can continue doing what we're doing and leave in place uh a land use that is really um appropriate for the area.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, okay, sorry.

Okay.

So it's La Quira Santos.

I'm from my residence is 3735 Belgium Lane, and I also am a lender at 819 T I M I L O Timolo Drive off of Gimbler Road.

Um I am the baby of the bunch.

The homeowner association has raised me.

I'll be coming on to my 50s.

And when I was younger, I used to walk to Cameron Elementary School when I was age to do so.

So back then there was a cornfield.

There was a safe net for me to be able to commute from Gimbler Road to Cameron Elementary off of Belgium.

It gave me a safe haven where I bought, went back home and bought a home in the neighborhood myself for my children.

My children are upper age now, but they also attended Cameron Elementary.

And I noticed when I did move back home, I was not able to have my children to walk to Cameron Elementary, even though I just live only three minutes down the street from it because of the trucks, because of the industrial, and I walk my children to school every day because of that.

I've had I've been an athlete all my life.

So I ran the parks to the Coliseums on an everyday basis, up to the Redberry Mansion, up the hills to WW White Down.

I am a known track star here in San Antonio.

It's very hard, even though changed, and we do understand that.

But that pollution that we have not able to have a decent barbecue dinner in our backyard because all the smoke and debris and everything else, the dust and stuff.

Thank you very much.

Thanks for trying to talk.

Next, we have Grace Bennett Hill.

I yield one time to Jackie Jackie.

To who?

Jackie Allen.

Okay.

Jack Ronale, you can come to the podium.

Name and address, you'll have two minutes.

I'm sorry, uh four minutes.

Four minutes, thank you.

Good afternoon, Chairman Peck, and members of the commission.

My name is Jacqueline Ali, and I live at 3427 Belgium Lane in Willowwood Estates, one of the neighborhoods that borders the arena district area.

I am here today to speak in support of the proposed amendment to change the future land use from heavy industrial to community commercial, mixed use, light, industrial, and residential.

For many years, this area of the east side has carried the weight of heavy and industrial with noise, truck traffic, and environmental impacts that were never meant to exist so close to homes, schools, and parks.

But over time, the mismatch between the land uses has created serious concerns for our quality of life, including traffic congestion, safety risk, and declining property values.

By supporting this amendment, we are choosing a more balanced and community-centered vision for the east side, one that welcomes businesses but also protects the residents.

A shift toward community commercial mixed use means we can encourage small businesses, restaurants, retail, and services that meet the needs of the neighborhood, while still allowing light and industry that's compatible with a clean, safe, and modern urban environment.

What we're doing is not anti-business.

But this is about the right kind of growth.

Development that brings jobs, improves our corridors, and creates opportunities without harming the people who already live here.

As being able to be members of our UHUHIA in order to work together and support each other.

In the past, many businesses have supported our neighborhood association.

Businesses like the ATT, not the center, but the ATT phone company that used to be housed along Belgian Lane and the plumber's pipe fitters and BCOM construction company.

They all supported our neighborhood.

But as new businesses have moved in there, there has been little effort to communicate with our neighborhood.

We encourage the businesses to join us in making our community a more viable location with smart planning and shared investment.

We are proud of our east side communities, and we want to see it thrive just like any other community.

Would want theirs to thrive, like yours.

Respectfully, we thank you and for your time and the service that you have given.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ken Brown.

Ken Brown, uh 100 Northeast 2410 Suite 1385.

I I want to say that the neighborhood is right.

They opened up their doors.

They had meetings and we attended them.

We worked out a deal with uh the rodeo, and we worked out a deal with the Franklin apartments.

Uh and we 100% support uh the elimination of I-2 and I-1 zoning.

Uh it's been there for too long.

There have been bad act bad actors.

I I don't think anyone deserves a second, third or fourth or fifth chance.

Uh so we do support the down zoning in principle.

Um, but it has to comply with planning principles.

And we have a track on Paulson Lane, and we are currently light industrial uh plan uh designation.

We are being asked, or they are recommending community commercial.

Uh community commercial uh in this area is not compatible with the other land uses in the area.

This is gonna sound familiar because this is staff recommendation from item nine.

Community commercial is intended to be located in proximity proximity to major intersections and along existing commercial corridors.

We don't have that here.

Uh it it it just doesn't fit.

Light industrial fits, our track was one of the tracks yesterday that was recommended for light industrial zoning, and that's what we're asked asking for.

We don't think it's appropriate to give a conditional use for an I-1 or I-2 zoning.

Uh I think the light industrial works here, as uh Mr.

McKnight said, it's a perfect balance between what's there and and does allow commercial.

Um the other um unique feature on our track is a lot of these businesses, they're built and they're for lease.

We have a tenant that's leaving in two weeks.

What conditional use are you going to give me?

I I I wouldn't know what to ask for.

I don't know who the next tenant's going to be.

I would just be picking a needle out of the haystack at this point.

I don't think we meet the definition as defined by the city of community commercial, and I would respectfully request that ours remains the same.

Thank you.

Roxanne Renfro.

Roxana Renfro, 802 Richland Drive.

I've been in this community since 1963.

Today I stand in front of you with a huge lung disease.

When when we when we moved there, none of this was there.

We used to catch crawfish in the side of the trough there with our pencils when we were walk from school.

Over time, like they say, we did get a shift in change because of this city of San Antonio has overlooked us as a part of what they're saying.

By right, we do not need any more industrial, heavy industrial at all.

I stand here before you now, coming off of being sick for two days with my lung disease.

And with um since this whole thing started, I have seen tanks being built on top of cement and placed in that area right across when I come out of my off the street to enter onto Gimbler.

And the cement wasn't even dry on last Thursday, but the tank is sitting on it.

I don't understand why.

This city, you guys hold seats, will still allow people to come and disrupt our community.

I don't see that.

I can't see it.

I would ask for you guys to please make this for us, the community, a light industrial area for us.

Thank you.

Velma Green.

Velma Green.

I'm yielding my time.

Do you Veronica Sanse?

Okay, Veronica, you can approach the party.

Name and address, and you'll have four minutes.

My name is Veronica Sansei.

S-A-N-C-E.

The address is 3654 Versailles Drive, V E R S A I L L E S Drive, 78219, Metaview North.

I am here today to voice my uh request and say that I am in favor of the rezoning that the HOIA is requesting.

First of all, most if not all of our community, and the commission yesterday agreed that our neighborhood has been redlined and was redlined 60 plus years ago when it came into when they first built and developed the area.

Redlining is against the law, was against the law, and it is still being practiced in our community.

That neighborhood, Willowwood Estates, Meadowview North, and Meadowview, that has always been a gem of an African American community.

It was not like Denver Heights and the Dignity community where uh white flight left and we were able and allowed to move into those homes.

That has always been our community, and it is appalling that we are continuously coming here having to fight for our basic human rights that we are entitled to like everyone else.

This isn't happening in the Dominion, it's not happening uh La Canterra area, it's not even happening by North Star Mall and the airport.

So why are we still being subjected to this unfair racist practices that are still that we are still being subjected to?

First of all, it's unfair to the homeowners that have been there 60 plus years.

My father is one of them that has been there 50 plus, close to 60, and it is unfair that we are subjected to the pollution from the trucks, especially the the truck trucking lot on the corner of Leon Thomas Way and uh uh Gimmler Road.

That lot houses gas circle K gas trucks, and sometimes, according to the drivers that I spoke to when I'm sitting on the bus stop waiting on the bus, sometimes those trucks are still full of gas.

There are homes 50 feet or less from that lot.

Why has that been there?

Why is it acceptable?

How come no one has done anything about it?

The district two has been there to talk about it, but of course, though they lied and said, Oh no, the truck sits on this and that and cleaned it up.

No, come through there at night and you see a big dust storm like we're in the desert somewhere.

Totally unacceptable.

I have respiratory problems.

It is not fair for my 92-year-old father.

I like fresh air to come through the windows when it's of when I when I can, but that's that's not happening over there with the noise.

It's a business in the middle of uh Belgium that has their welding, a lot of noise and everything.

How did that business get a permit?

And they're illegally permitted.

How are they there?

Why are they there?

Why are they still there?

Who's gonna do something about that?

You guys are just sweeping it under the rug.

But you want you're not doing that in your neighborhoods, I'm sure I'm so sure.

You you want clean air and clean water and basic human rights in your neighborhood.

You have them in yours, but we don't have them in ours.

And you people don't seem like you're in any uh hurry to assist us in getting what we are rightfully entitled to.

Now, enough is enough, and you guys need to take into consideration and give us the homeowners what we are asking for.

The business I hear the business owners complain about oh, we're gonna have to pay so many more rezoning.

Thank you, Miss Sunset.

Thank you.

Oscar Vicks Oscar Vicks, 1214, Picarney Drive, San Antonio, Texas.

I'm just wondering when does the equality and just a start?

Now the business is talking about what we doing, what they've been doing to us for 50 years.

50 years we've been putting up with this.

Now it's hot time that we get somebody to deal.

Now y'all can talk this noise all you want to about postponing and doing all this.

My wife had to light candles every day almost just to make our house smell good.

People living over there on Willowwood got sewage every day.

Now, when I was working with the sanitary local development, we made sure that businesses that couldn't get no money, we would go out and help them.

We would go into the community to make sure that this was happening.

If some of y'all will go out there in our community and smell the stuff that we smell and look at the pollution, you have a better, you have a different view about what we're doing.

When we moved out there, I've been there 50 years.

Now what we got?

Everything.

Anything you can think of is been done.

I've been coming down here for 50 years.

I've been coming down.

I'm served the president for six different times.

And we've been down here to fight for everything.

Why why we gotta fight for everything when we didn't have no problem but nature?

Now we got everything and everybody trying to defend the business.

Well, it gonna cost this.

What don't cost us?

We don't die, people don't suffer it.

And they talk about ask not what you can do for your country.

But what's not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

I was picking 200 pounds of cotton when I was 12 years old.

That cotton was making all y'all shirts and clothes and all that.

So I'm doing what I'm supposed to do for my country.

I got shot up from my country in Vietnam.

I have serves as a mailman.

Right now, I cut grass in my neighborhood half the time I don't get paid for.

But I'm telling you all, y'all can sit here and make all these decisions, but when do the equality and justice start?

You know, just put y'all cells in our shoes just for a minute, just for a moment.

And think about what we've been going through for 50 years, and now you won't stand up for the business.

We ain't trying to get rid of nobody, let's just get along with one another.

And like I told y'all yesterday, the BS a parade went in schedule when we had the pandemic in 21.

I've been doing a Juneteenth parade, freedom, equality, and justice for all.

Schedule the Fiesta Parade on June 19th.

I call and told my speak to the head person.

I don't care who it is.

I want to speak to the head person.

I talked to them.

I said, Now let me tell you one thing.

I'm pissed off, I'm upset and I'm disgusted.

But I ain't the type of person to stay pissed off.

Now, one way we're gonna solve this problem, we're gonna put something in the fiasca parade, and y'all gonna put something in the June T parade.

Oh, Mr.

Biggs, that's a great idea.

We've been getting along ever since.

So now why we can't just get along.

Why we can't communicate with one another?

Why we can't look at one another's concerns and work out something.

We shouldn't have to be down here.

We got everybody in our neighborhood that's over 90 years old, raise your hand.

Raise your hand, give me a pair of race eight, almost eighty, eighty and ninety years old raise your hand.

They shouldn't have to be coming down here fighting for their neighborhood when you got people looking out for them.

That's thank you, Mr.

Vicks.

That's time.

Y'all have a good day.

Yes, we do.

Uh Alonso Jones.

I'd like to say good evening to everyone.

Um Alonzo Jones, 3411 Willowwood, uh San Antonio, Texas, 78219, right there.

Um course you've heard everyone today speak on um their oppositions, and those speak for I'm 61 years old and I've been there 60 years.

My parents brought me there when I was one.

Uh I raised my kids there, and now I have a few homes there and they're living in them.

In any event, um, I want you to look at two properties, if you could, and you'd understand one of the reasons why.

We really feel that we need to be rezoned and replanned because we would like to have more neighborly homes, uh structures with little storefronts under the bottom, things of that nature, kind of like the Pearl and things like that that the areas are going to.

In any event, 639 Gimmler Road.

You have heard several things about dust.

That's the biggest biggest, biggest contributor to it in our neighborhood.

They tell you they want to be rezoned or ask for something else, but they are in a floodplain.

They can't be rezoned, they can't even pave the lot, and that's the biggest problem because every time it goes back and forth with the city, FEMA comes into evolve because FEMA's the one that deemed it a flood zone.

So they're trying to bamboozle yesterday and today as far as they could build something that's else on there when they know they can't build anything on there.

I'd also ask you to look at 1003 Brussels.

1003 Brussels does not belong in anyone's neighborhood.

That has been hidden from you.

No one wants to talk about that, but the same people that own it seem to sit up and not want to speak about that one.

But they want special privileges.

We need special privileges.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Regina Williams.

Regina Williams.

I yield my time.

I have the videos, tell them to pay of what you're talking about.

But you have to tell them.

Uh you know exactly where it is.

Um, she's gonna yield her time to the videos so you could see if she can't yield it to him.

So you're saying Regina Williams wants to yield her time to the video to the video.

Or to Jones if she can't.

I don't have a problem with her yielding the time to Mr.

Jones.

Okay, yeah.

Okay, play the video for him in the background, the beginning.

That's exactly what you're talking about.

And then yeah.

I just want you guys to see this.

Is just something I took.

Okay.

So see, look right there.

And now it's not a good thing.

That this actually is the lot at 639, and we're speaking of behind those trucks.

No, that's not it.

Okay.

That's not it.

That's it.

That's it.

Behind those trucks, there's a bus stop, which Miss Seance was speaking about, where she sits and other uh neighbors sit to catch the bus.

That's what you get.

That's what you get all day.

Your home is full of dust, full of dirt every day.

You dust today, you're gonna have to dust tomorrow.

You clean up.

We've bought helper filters, we bought all kind of uh things to do that.

And they want to tell you that they deserve to be here in our neighborhood to continue to do that.

It's sad.

Umfortunately, I guess we've passed the part where 1,03 Brussels is, but 1003 Brussels has liquid gas, helium, uh, all kind of chemicals that they have in these large tanks out there, which are in our neighborhoods.

We don't know what's seeping out of them, and just like those trucks that's over there, those trucks store all kinds of chemicals, all kind of everything every day because people just park them there.

We don't know what's seeping out into the ground, what's walk rushing into the wastewater, all these things are happening.

And right now, they're trying to tell you that they need special uh a special zoning or special classification when they know TNRC has a case against them.

But they're gonna try and tell you like they're operating right.

They are not.

That's one of the biggest polluters.

That is the biggest polluter in our neighborhood right there, 639 Gimmler.

Um we we ask that this be rezoned because we rezoned and plan because we are trying to actually turn our neighborhood in and the surrounding area into something that is what's looked like in the future.

We're not asking for the existing neighbors to, I mean, existing businesses to go.

We haven't asked them to leave, we haven't attacked them in any kind of way.

Matter of fact, as you've heard, they refuse to show up.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, that is everybody that signed up to speak, so we will close the public hearing and move on to Commissioner questions.

We will start on the right with Commissioner DeSucci.

Um that was very strong presentations from all the residents and the owners in this uh Widow Wood Estate.

I can hear your voice, your concern.

I can feel for you.

And uh I don't have a specific question, but I can feel that there is a strong need to make these changes, and I strong strongly suggest that this is should be done, and we should go for it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Commissioner Milan.

So a couple of you mentioned, and again, thank you for your voices and thank you for being here, not only today and yesterday, but several weeks ago as well.

We appreciate that very much.

Um I do have a question, and I guess it's for all of y'all, which is those of you who came to the zoning commission yesterday.

Are you happy with the amendments, the friendly amendments that were supported there?

We're not supported.

We're trusting that the city, what they did, hold on.

If anybody's gonna respond, can you please go to the podium?

Um only one response.

Can you all agree on one okay?

In in regard to properties, many asked for amendments, but we only counted three that were asking for something brand new or specific.

The KOA camp actually doesn't have a designation or a zoning type they feel that fits their property.

Some of these others we are completely rejecting in in regard to pollution and the environment around their properties.

We have had to ask and we have code compliance to death some of these properties for the upkeep on the property.

Does that answer your question?

Um sorta.

I guess it we we we need to know what the specific requests were from yesterday, the the friendly amendments.

One truck and Commissioner staff can help.

Staff can clarify what properties are.

Let staff clarify that.

Yes.

We we dealt with staff yesterday, and staff tried to present on both a half both of us.

Yeah, staff can do it there.

You can take your seat again.

Thank you.

And the requesters are in a row.

Okay, I'll go ahead and clarify.

So Forrest Wilson, principal planner.

Um so the properties that were recommended for an amendment yesterday, um, and the ones that if the planning commission wanted to entertain a similar amendment that will align um would be to these eight properties would need to be removed from the proposed plan amendments.

That's 1011 Pulsan, 1015 Paulson, 1111 Pulsan, 1002 Paulson, 1006 to 1014 Pulsan, 1102 Pulsan, and 1039 Brussels and 914 Paulson.

Uh and then separately two that would um need to be changed or the Commission can entertain a recommendation to amend from our staff's recommendation of community commercial to light industrial, and that would be at 1030 Brussels and 639 Gimbler.

Was that all the properties that zoning commission recommended late industrial on in the meeting yesterday?

Yes, it was.

Okay.

So all of those were recommended light industrial by the zoning commission.

So I understood.

Okay.

And the community does not agree with that.

Am I understanding that correctly?

So well, one of the things that uh clarity would be really needed on that because of course, you know, we don't know every address off the top of our head, you know.

So what those businesses are doing, and the majority of those businesses, at least the nine or or eight, what have you, um, they are leasing those, you know, they actually own the property and they build the suit, what have you, and that's what they do.

But uh we don't know what's going on inside.

We don't know the ones that we can see outside, like 1003.

Um, that's uh Brussels 1003 Brussels.

It's very obvious what's going on outside there, you know.

But um these are the ones that are asking for rezoning, and some of the things we don't know what they're doing.

Um, right there.

Okay.

Thank you very much.

I think you've answered the question.

Okay, thank you.

Um one owner owns most of the uh no, you're not okay.

Any further questions?

I I think I'll I think that's all my questions.

Thank you.

Commissioner Oulette.

Uh I certainly appreciate you know the fact that you guys are speaking out today, including you know the attorneys representing various clients.

I mean, this is what we need.

We need this.

Um I I do need a little bit of clarity.

Are you and let me just make sure I understand properly because I may have misheard?

Are you right now, are you asking to postpone the vote on these particular friendly amendments to these properties, the light industrial?

Are you asking to oppose it?

Outright, oppose it?

Are you just asking to get more time to understand what these businesses do?

We don't want more time because we've been waiting 50 years.

One of those properties are the same.

Please, if you're um any answers, please to the podium.

Thank you.

One of those owners owns most of them.

So it's not like all these businesses.

There's like they try to do little tactics of confusion.

And so it's it's one owner owns like eight, nine of them.

Well, um, I think I saw him in the room.

I actually respectfully, and he was very polite, went up to him a while back saying, hi sir, how are you?

I was excited, and um I'd love to come to our neighborhood association.

Not rude, politely, just said he was not interested, that he's very busy.

So we tried for years and years and years to do this.

But I wanted to make that clear.

The one that we really, really that leaves all the dust that y'all saw is the one that wants to move to light industrial.

Um so we're kind of opposed to the changes.

We're trusting the city, we're trusting everybody involved, the task force that was involved.

They were given the time that we were given.

They've been to the meetings that we went to.

So I wanted to just make that clear.

So by giving them the light industrial, it's going to allow all that dust to continue and doing all that mess, and but it's on the video.

Uh, that's why I did those videos before I came um the other day, just so y'all guys could see because it's hard to believe that dust isn't that's not even it's 24-7.

Like there's people that came yesterday that that were so sick yesterday, some in oxygen tanks, some that that have cancer, a lot of them came up yesterday.

A lot of them didn't fit in the room.

So we're opposed to the changes.

We're trusting the city, and we've done task force.

We did all the proper channels to meet each other halfway.

Yeah.

No further questions.

Okay.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Um the current amendment, what would that I'm just picking on 639?

What would that do?

What would be the zoning with this amendment if it's if it's supported today?

So for 639 Gambler, um staff's recommendation um for zoning was originally C2 with a conditional use for oversized vehicle sales service and storage.

Um the amendment that was recommended by zoning commission was to change that to L with a specific use offer authorization for oversized vehicle sales service and storage.

Um that staff's really concerned with that would just be related to the additional uses that would be allowed under the L base zoning district.

Um but again you've you've heard uh the position from both sides at this point.

The the as far as the plan amendment uh was is concerned.

So for 639, right now, um, as was mentioned, the future land use designations, parks and open space.

Staff originally recommended community commercial that would align with the zoning recommendation of C2C D.

Um but if if the planning commission would like to entertain uh a plan amendment that would align with what zoning the zoning commission amended to um it would be to light industrial for the plan amendment.

Any other questions, Commissioner Sanchez?

No, thank you.

Commissioner Orion.

Okay.

So I'm I'm I'm for some of this stuff because I know there are swabs of area in San Antonio that zone I1 and I2 do due to the conversion that are completely inappropriate for the area.

Uh right now, looking at the Master Thoroughfare plan, then you know Gambler Road is a third of is listed as an 86 foot right-of-way or terrible.

There will most likely be some sort of commercial businesses there, whether it's an L or a C3 or whatnot.

So we got to look, we got to take all that stuff into consideration.

I think that it's appropriate for there to be a buffer between residential and commercial and then industrial.

I don't think I one and I2 are appropriate for this area.

I think there's some pockets of this where L is appropriate.

The other thing I'm looking at that that's that's uh is of concern is these new changes to the state law.

If this the if this stuff changes as recommend recommended and you hit C2, the moment any business is that's going to be there is going to end up being able to stay as long as they want as a as a nonconforming or preservation rights use.

So that when the market controls and they leave, I'm afraid you're going to get so much high density residential, you're not going to like that either.

And so there's some some of this is I think it's more appropriate for the light industrial as a way to force a zoning change.

That's inevitable in the future anyway.

And so, you know, I I think that uh I was looking at this, and I'm I'm trying to find a place south of Belgium where it can be a buffer to your residential.

And what that buffer is, I think that I I really think that light industrial should be along the Gambler corridor.

Um I think that on Belgium it should it should go down a little bit, but you you gotta be careful with the C2 CD because that that may not be what you end up wanting in the future when these businesses go away, because some of these businesses will be there a really long time before you see change.

So for staff, um is there is there a uh did y'all look at doing any of this buffering, or are you all just going straight to the community commercial?

I mean, is there is there something that y'all talked about that that maybe is more of a C1, C2 along Belgium, and then as you get near Gembler where it's more of a thoroughfare, maybe it it grows into a C2 or an L.

Um is there is there was there a recommendation that maybe wasn't looked at?

So we we we uh I I could say that we considered every possible recommendation.

Um we we reviewed um the the city's arena district plan, thoroughfare plans, um, considered the way that properties were being used today uh in accordance with the CCR that directed us to initiate this project.

Um so yes, we did consider, and you know, as you can see, there are some properties that we did recommend L for and that we do have for light industrial.

Okay.

And and as far as the nonconforming use issues, if this were to move forward and the zoning change were to move forward, are there any properties there that are that don't meet the criteria for nonconforming, like maybe they don't have a legitimate certificate of occupancy that that would address a lot of the concerns of the community that we need to be aware of?

So there the with the recommendations staff has presented, um staff doesn't anticipate any creating any nonconforming uses.

There are nonconforming uses there today that this would correct.

Okay.

Um then just to reiterate for whoever makes a motion on this, the uh the addresses that came from zoning were on Paulson 914, 1011, 1111, 1 uh 1002, 1006 to 1114.

Was that right?

To 1014.

To 1014.

To 1014.

And then 1039 Brussels.

Those are the locations.

Correct.

And that's and that is uh that is to remove uh from the recommendation to maintain what is there with 1030 Brussels and 639 Gambler to be amended to light industrial.

Correct.

So there's eight properties.

Eight properties that would need to be removed from the proposed plan amendments and two that would need to be amended to light industrial.

Ashley is sharing um a spreadsheet that we had put together from yesterday's items.

So the ones that are highlighted in yellow are the ones that well, all the items highlighted are the ones that zoning commission had recommended um an amendment on.

The yellow ones would mean that they would need to be removed from this plan amendment uh because they're already uh aligned with the existing land use.

The orange ones would have to be changed.

Uh the plan amendment would have to be changed.

And I I just kind of wanted to reflect, going back to one of your first comments about the L versus the C2 and all that with the housing, that housing would also be permitted in L based on it.

Okay.

Yes, because it is permitted in warehousing, uh old warehousing districts.

And so L as per per our new UDC update that was approved last month, um, it would be permitted in L as well.

This M F 65.

Okay.

I'll I'll just add to that that so under there there's some limitations to that new legislation that if there are properties that are being used for heavy industrial uses within a thousand feet, that would prevent the ability to do multifamily on these properties.

So I I don't really feel comfortable saying that would be a possibility on some of these properties because we don't really know.

Um there are some heavy industrial uses within a thousand feet of the project area, and and the as you all know the zoning is subject to change.

Right.

And so the the the addresses that you're that's being requested to um be removed from this are any of them at the along um uh Belgium?

I didn't I didn't think the corner lot was on Belgium.

Yeah, it looks like the the on the corner on Paulson it's 1119 and 1114.

Correct.

No, I mean the the 639 Gembler does have I mean it crosses both the the entire Belgium and Gembler.

So that what what happened at zoning it would be the the first couple tracks off of south of Belgium are not part of the amendment.

I just think it's important that there should be some kind of a buffer, but I also think as you migrate towards gambler, there you know having a having an L is not and it's understandable I get what you're saying of creating like that buffer where you have the lower intense commercial uses, but to as what has been signified by the CCR, we cannot create non-conforming uses.

So we have to go with what is already on the site, and so that's where that conditional use for the oversized vehicle storage service and um sales.

And so basically we couldn't go at a lower like C2 is basically the lowest uh commercial zoning district that we could use to do to get to the I1.

Basically, correct.

So I'm I'm just focusing on Paulson.

You know, I think that that starting at 1111 and then moving south, keeping that light industrial because that would get you to Gambler, you know, which would be a thoroughfare, but getting the properties nearest Belgium, you know, definitely get that change.

It's a possibility, but you see homes directly to the south too.

So coming along coming to the south there kind of puts us in a bind there.

So that's really why we were supporting more of this C in the middle there.

So it would because it is adjacent basically to the single family residential, and that was basically how we designated that.

And has there been any talks of any restrictions putting on specific property moving forward to city council on any of these?

Do you mean like conditions, is additional conditions?

No.

That's I'm surprised no one's ever that hasn't been brought up.

So just as y'all, as whatever happens here as you move forward to city council, talk to your council person about you know this sort of stuff.

So I don't have any more questions.

I'm I'm I support the amendment.

Um and I and I and and getting rid of the rest of it is I1 I2.

So I heard some things that I think might need some clarification even from yesterday.

So let's take, for example, 639 Gimbler.

Okay.

The most intensive use that will be allowed is what?

The oversized vehicle.

Okay.

And that's true.

Uh if it's C2, correct?

Correct.

It's true if it's L.

Correct.

Okay.

That's the most intensive use.

That will remain in perpetuity.

It will run with the land, correct?

That is correct.

Okay.

And that would be true.

Let's take one of the uh Paulson properties.

What's the most intensive proposed from the city staff proposed use on Paulson of the ones that you know we proposed at zoning yesterday by a vote of six to four, which was the bare minimum to pass?

What would that be?

Well, we were recommending C2 C D.

The C D was for the office warehouse and Ashley just confirmed the.

Yeah, but there was one um that we have a C D for uh construction contractor facilities, I think that's probably the most intense one.

And is that more intense or less intense than L?

Where are you where are you pulling it down from?

The construction trades contractor is permitted by right in an L.

Okay.

So it doesn't necessarily change that most intensive use.

Correct.

Okay.

All right.

Uh I think those are my questions.

Okay.

Um I just want to clarify a few things.

The first thing I want to clarify is the spreadsheet.

Are the yellow ones the ones that the zoning commission recommended be changed from C2 C D to the L-based zoning?

L-based zoning.

Correct.

So that's all the yellow ones.

Is that the orange ones too, or what are the orange ones?

The orange ones are also being uh requested to change to L based zoning.

But the orange ones have an existing um land use, like high density residential and parks open space that will still need a plan amendment to be decided on.

Whereas the yellow ones basically do not have do not need the plan amendment.

You already had them as light industrial.

They are existing light industrial as per the arena district.

Gotcha.

Okay.

All right.

Um the L zoning and L land use.

I just want to say this so it's on the record and confirm that I'm correct.

Okay.

So that zoning, that type of industrial zoning, the activities that are allowed in that are basically they're enclosed in the building, right?

There's not any in this noxious stuff happening outside of a building.

Is that correct?

I'm going to read something that comes straight from the code on L that could possibly answer.

I can't say for certain.

Most of the outdoor uses are permitted only in I2, but you do have items that are outside in L.

And we're trying to show up the list here for everybody to see of the items that we're discussing, just so they can see what we're talking about.

So L is a district that provides a mix of light manufacturing uses, office park, flex space, and limited retail and services are service that uses that service the industrial uses with proper screening and buffering.

So the noxious issues that we're hearing about and seeing videos of and things like that, that is not a L district.

It should be reduced significantly, but again, and you know, some of their concerns like on the Gimbler uh location.

I meant that with the dust and everything.

I mean, if it's coming down that they're parking on gravel, that's not going to be answered by zoning.

Yeah.

But we wouldn't be propagating an issue.

You know, I'm just trying to make sure we're not creating the it definitely is a reduction of noxious uses, correct.

The other thing, and this is another thing I just want clarified.

So the C2 C D, okay?

So the conditional use, the C D part, right?

If you have something that's zone C2 and they get a conditional use permit for whatever, okay, that use is perpetual forever.

That is correct.

If it's if it's a non-conforming use, like it's say it's zoned L, but it's in currently an I2 use.

If that business, say there's a fire and they shut down or they're closed for a year because of whatever, or the or they stop operations for a period of time, they lose their non-conforming rights, right?

That would be correct.

So the difference is is that non-conforming right goes away and it can't come back.

But if it's a CD, they can be restarted again.

Is that correct?

Uh basically, yes.

Okay.

And again, as per RCCR, we cannot create any non-conforming.

We are designating CDs to go with what is on the property.

And I will also say, yes, we may be re we're suggesting removal of a lot of industrial uses, but we are suggesting more commercial uses.

And as per our use matrix, there's a lot more items that are permitted in a C2 than there are in I2, I1, and L.

Okay.

All right.

Uh Mr.

Brown.

I think you mentioned something in your presentation about and I guess I just want some clarification on that.

Um why is the L more important for your client than the C2 C D?

Like why like why?

Can you explain that?

Yeah, I don't have a C D right now.

I uh in my building, uh we have a shutter assembly uh company.

Uh they're leaving in two months.

I wouldn't know what to pick.

I mean, what CD would I ask for?

Um I there would be no flexibility.

I'd have to guess and and then just try to go find that client somewhere.

Um there are a lot more commercial uses.

Uh there just aren't any there is no market for it right in that in that situation uh along there.

Uh I I just think the L is is more appropriate.

I I don't think that's a community commercial area.

Uh it it it doesn't meet any of the planning standards that that the planning department has laid out.

So thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um I don't have any more questions.

Um Mr.

Chair, may I just ask one question of staff?

There is no requirement, of course, that zoning and planning have matching recommendations, correct?

Correct.

Is there any other Commissioner questions?

Is C3 zoning allowed in the L land use designation?

So C3 zoning, I believe is I'm sorry, community.

Yes, it is.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Random question.

All right.

Any more commissioner questions?

Is there anybody willing to make a motion?

I'm willing to.

Uh accept the city staff recommendations.

Without the amendments that was provided from the zoning commission.

So is your so is your motion to follow the zoning commission's changes, or your motion is to accept staff's uh proposal as is.

Accept the staff propose it as is.

Okay.

I will second that.

Okay, we have a motion to approve the item as presented by staff and a second.

Staff please do a roll call vote.

Commissioner Dezucchi?

Yes.

Commissioner Mylam?

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez?

No.

Commissioner?

No.

Commissioner Orion?

No.

Commissioner Bisdemante?

No.

Chair Peck?

No.

Motion fails.

Okay, motion fails.

Anybody else willing to make a motion?

Yeah, um, I'll I I move to uh to accept uh the the same recommendation as per the zoning commission.

Second do we need okay, so we have a motion.

Yeah, I'll list it out.

I so I I move to accept a staff's recommendation with the exception of 914 Paulson 1011 Paulson um 1111 Paulson 10,000 uh 1002 Pulsan, 1008 to 1014 Pulsan, 1039 Brussels uh to to uh to be excluded and then to make 1030 Brussels and 639 Gambler amended to light industrial.

And that follows what his original intent was is to follow it zone right.

I just want to make sure it's clear.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

So we have a motion.

I'm not going to say all that again.

And who uh that was Commissioner Orion?

Who is the second?

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Lopez.

All right.

Would SAF please do a roll call vote?

Commissioner Orion?

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez?

Commissioner Sanchez?

No.

Commissioner Dezuki?

No.

Commissioner.

Yes.

Commissioner Mylam?

No.

Commissioner Bustamonte?

Yes.

Um Chair Peck?

Yes.

Motion passes for approval.

Thank you.

As amended.

All right.

I think that is it.

We did the minutes on the consent agenda.

So we are is there any uh director's report today?

There is none.

Well, seeing that it is 354 and we are adjourned.