Good morning, everyone.

Thank you for being here.

I'd like to call to order the Historic and Design Review Commission compliance and technical advisory board meeting for Friday, February 20th, 2026.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Davis.

Present.

Garcia?

Here.

Regard.

Here.

Spiller.

Here.

Fullerton?

Here.

Pollock.

Vasquez?

Here.

And Sepulveda.

Here.

We have a quorum.

Thank you.

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The compliance and technical advisory board is an advisory board appointed by the city council.

I'm Jason Vosquez, acting chair.

Juanita Cipulvada is the chairwoman.

It is the function of the board to advise the city manager and all relevant city departments concerning certain applications for permits for properties in historic districts and landmarks.

In considering whether to recommend approval or disapproval of an application for a certificate of appropri of appropriateness, the board shall be guided by the city's unified development code and design guidelines and standards that have been adopted by the City Council.

An appeal of a decision by an administrative official can be filed in accordance with the city's unified development code.

If anyone present wishes to speak in favor or in opposition to any item on today's agenda, please sign up on the public comments sheet.

It is not necessary to sign up if you are the owner of representative for a project or on the agenda.

You will be called on as the case is called.

Case representatives will be given no more than 15 minutes to present their case with an additional two minutes to respond to public comments.

Speakers for or opposed to a case will be limited to two minutes each.

Speakers may also sign up to yield their two minutes to another speaker who has signed up.

Anyone who is yielding their time must be present at the time the speaker is called upon.

Speakers will be called upon in the order in which they signed up.

Following public testimony, any commissioner may call upon any speaker to respond to further questions.

Approval by the board does not take the place of any type of permits.

Permits must be obtained for all work.

Certificates of appropriateness for work approved by the board will be emailed to you within 10 days.

No work of any type is to be started without obtaining the appropriate city permits after a certificate of appropriateness has been issued by the Office of Historic Preservation.

At this time, please silence all your cell phones.

Corey?

Good morning, everyone.

Um we have a short agenda today, but first we need action on meeting minutes from January 23rd.

Can have a motion approving them.

So moved from the date.

So moved.

Second.

Thank you.

Can I roll call, please?

Davis, abstain.

Garcia.

Yes.

Brigard?

Aye.

Spiller?

Yes.

Fullerton?

Aye.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Sepulveda.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

So we have one of the larger consent agendas we've ever had with five items.

We don't have any public comments on those.

You will see letters of support for item number two 1407 Fulton in your folder.

Great.

Thank you.

Can I ask for a motion?

Or is there any commissioners wishing to pull any of the consent agenda items today?

I would like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Second.

Thank you.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Davis.

Aye.

Garcia?

Aye.

Regard.

Aye.

Spiller.

Aye.

Fullerton?

Aye.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Sepulveda.

Aye.

Motion carries.

If you're on the consent agenda and your address is 129 Callahan, 1407 Fulton, 1510 Lennon, 326 West Linwood, and 904 North Mesquite.

Your case has been approved and you do not need to stay for the remainder of this hearing.

If you have any questions, please contact a member of staff or your case manager.

Your certificate of appropriateness or commission action letter will be prepared and emailed to you within 10 days.

And commissioners, we will uh now move to item number six, which is 510 steering.

Item number six, HDRC case number 2026 038 510 steering.

The applicant is requesting a certificate of appropriateness for approval to install a site.

Fencing on site at 510 steering.

Within this request, the applicant has proposed the following one a front yard wrought iron fence featuring an overall height of 5 feet 6 inches, and two of privacy fence to feature an overall height of six feet to extend past the front facade of the new construction and terminate at the front property line perpendicular to the wrought iron fence.

Staff recommends approval of item number one, the installation of a wrought iron fence within the front yard with the stipulation that it does not exceed four feet in height is noted in finding D.

Staff recommends approval of item number two, the installation of privacy fencing on site with the stipulation that the location be modified to not exceed extend past the front facade of the new construction on both the north and south sides of the property is noted in finding E.

The applicant is with us virtually.

Commissioners, I will note that there's a letter in your packets.

Thank you.

And that letter is from the King or King William Association, and there's another one from who are those people.

So the first is an email from the King William Association when they didn't think that they would be able to submit a letter.

So it's essentially the same thing.

Okay, thank you.

Yes.

Bear with me one second.

Let me okay.

I can hear you.

Okay, perfect.

Good morning, Edgar.

Good morning.

Um so um, uh, as you may have heard, I read the request into the record as well as staff's recommendation.

Uh if you would like to uh present on the fence, uh commit you can do that now to commissioners.

Um if if you have any questions for me, I can answer those as well.

Uh thank you.

Thank you so much, everyone and commissioners.

The only question I have, uh two questions.

When the insurance certificate of appropriate pass was issued, uh the fence was taken into contribution for the whole.

I wasn't told any specific uh instruction apart from what can we end association requested.

The other one was um one of a fence, which is next to the neighbor, which is around offices.

I've always been there.

So what we did on the new construction was just to install the fence, the second fence, which is a similar height to what I've always been on there.

So what I don't understand is if I have to modify this fence, would the other neighbor also be asking modified down the fence?

Or this just oh this is just related to this new development.

Well, I don't know.

Yes, so I can answer those.

Um so if you can see the screen here, we'll start with the front, the wrought iron fence.

Um your new construction was approved by the commission, and uh this was from October the 18th, 2023.

Uh you had um the wrought iron fence design uh and noted that it was three feet in height.

Uh so that would have been consistent with the guidelines.

That would have been consistent with what staff would have recommended.

Um if you note our recommendation, um the guidelines actually allow a front yard fence up to four feet in height.

Um the fence as it's installed at five feet six inches is not consistent with the guidelines.

Uh we're not saying that you need to go down to three feet, uh, but you it would need to be consistent with the guidelines at four feet.

Uh regarding the um regarding the side fence, uh, and I'll pull up this aerial photo here.

Um commissioners, you can see that there's one fence that extends.

This fence here is new that extends along the front the the south property line, rather.

Um all we're saying is that that fence essentially needs to be reduced to where it doesn't exit it doesn't extend past essentially where the concrete stops.

And then on the north facade, we're saying that it needs to pull back to where the front porch of the new construction is.

So that's just a brief overview of staff's recommendation and while we're recommending what we are.

Okay, thank you so much.

Am I allowed to respond, please?

Yes, ma'am.

Even if I have to reduce the new construction, the new fence.

The whole fence, that belongs to the next door neighbor.

So I don't know if they've been notified because I don't want a situation where I want to cut someone else's fence and I get into trouble for that.

So I don't know.

Certainly.

Um well, I guess let's uh maybe work on this in pieces.

So for the front fence, are you able to reduce the front fence from five feet six inches to four feet?

I will have to do that.

We'll have to take it out and see the well it will be difficult, but I I'll just have to figure it out if that's what the commission wants.

I I hope I don't have to go and make a new fence.

Uh um I just wonder at this point.

Okay, and then and then um for the prop for the privacy fence, which fence is it that you're concerned about?

Uh the whole part.

So the new one is the one I I constructed, but the old one, which is next to uh Uban offices.

Um sorry, like that big space.

Okay, gotcha.

So the fence that you constructed, are you able to move it back to where it's where the concrete or where the garbage can enclosure is?

Are we supposed to move it or cut it down?

Cut it down.

Or well, you you could cut it to where it doesn't exceed four feet, or you could remove it altogether.

Probably cutting it to where it doesn't exceed four feet would be better since it would still intersect with your rod iron fence.

With the right, yes, I'll prefer to cut it to provide that privacy.

Okay.

Um so um I guess uh commissioners, what what we could potentially do.

So it sounds like that there's uh some action that could be taken on the front yard fence to reduce it in height to four feet, and then for the fence at the south property line to cut it to no taller than four feet, um to not extend past four feet where the garbage enclosure is uh behind the front facade.

Um for the fence to the north, um we can follow up with the applicant, and if it's an existing condition, um then we can resolve that with the applicant.

Um so um here on the screen, um the front yard fence, the rod iron fence reduced to four feet, the fence on the south or the right-hand side of this picture reduced to four feet, not to extend past where the garbage enclosure is, which is set just behind the front facade, the fence to the north, we can resolve that with the applicant.

The wood privacy.

Correct.

And then the iron fence, it sounded like a wobbly yes that you won't bring it down to four feet, ma'am.

Uh it's gonna be a challenge because it was custom made.

That is always a challenge.

So in as much as I'm willing to do it, wouldn't you want this was custom made?

It's gonna cost me money to uproot it.

One you know, do a real one, I would you know I'll just think if the committee can allow me to leave it, because it was just made for this project.

I don't know how I'm gonna go around it without having to prove it a new one.

And ma'am, did you so apparently the whole new it's a whole new build?

You did get HDRC approval, right?

Yes.

So then how is it a surprise that uh you don't have regulations to follow?

Well, I did actually ask for an inspection and I was told that everything has been inspected.

So if I had known, you know, I wouldn't, I would have just let them go and made adjustments.

So I'm not blaming or trying to move away.

That was why I said the new fence, I'm happy to put it down, but something that was custom made and it's one feet or whatever higher.

If I can cut it down, that would be, you know, I don't have any issue with that.

Well if I cannot, then I'll have to go and make something completely brand new.

And the existing one has been there, and no one actually made a silver rate, but then to put it down.

So yes, I'm I'm trying to be compliant because that's what I do.

I hope everybody can be held accountable.

Well, everything else, the neighbor wasn't.

Edward, can you show pictures of we're talking about the iron fence right now, ma'am?

Uh, can you show pictures of the iron fence?

So that can be welded down to four feet.

I I'm guessing pretty easily.

I hope so.

Okay.

I know as I said, I will review it.

I don't know at this point, but I'll have to take it off.

It's out of compliance right now.

So hopefully you would bring it down to four feet.

But let me pass it on to my other colleagues for questions, and we'll start with uh Commissioner Sipovita online.

Madam Chair.

Yes, excuse me.

Um can I go back to the case manager?

I'm sorry, I uh I'm at a little bit of a disadvantage.

Can you it's Edward?

Um the staff recommendations where it was originally submitted.

And the case manager on this one, is it Brian or Brandon?

Uh no, this is Edward.

Edward.

Edward, on the original application for certificate of appropriateness, what was the what was the request for the wrought iron fence?

So the uh application for new construction had a sheet um in association with the details and whatnot that included this document.

Um so uh in regards to the fencing that was installed.

This is what staff is referencing.

This was submitted for HDRC approval in October 23.

Uh so it notes a three foot tall rod iron fence.

Uh so this is this is what we were referencing from from the past approval.

Okay.

So originally for the certificate of appropriateness, the design that was submitted was zero to three feet.

And at no point was it ever submitted that it was zero to five or six feet, correct?

It yes, ma'am.

It was submitted as as three feet in height.

Okay.

So basically there was the instructions.

Is that correct?

And that was the compliance that was agreed upon for the certificate of appropriateness.

Uh this was what the applicant included.

So from staff's perspective, this is what we assume will be executed if it's included in the application.

So therefore, with this design and the certificate of appropriateness, what was actually approved was zero to three feet from the initial compliance.

Is that correct?

Yes.

I want to confirm.

Okay.

So that's a confirmation that instructions were submitted.

Can we go back to the application one more time?

So the other request was the side fencing.

We had the cedar post.

Correct.

So there's a privacy fence.

I'll go to this photo.

There's a privacy fence on the south side that is new.

The privacy fence on the north side replaced an existing privacy fence.

Um the fence are here on the south side.

Um, if the applicant can drop that, okay.

Okay.

No, no, that's good.

And then so the original application, go back to the to the uh to the application one more time.

Okay.

And the design one more time.

Thank you, Edward.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

No worries.

Okay.

I just wanted to make sure I understood.

So basically, instructions and directions were already provided based on the design that was submitted and the certificate of appropriateness that was actually obtained.

So clarification was already provided beforehand then.

Correct.

I just wanted clarification.

Um Jason, that's all that's all my questions for staff, and that way we can move with the rest of the commissioners and questions will be provided to the applicant at the end of the discussion by commissioners.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any questions from my colleagues on the left?

Go ahead, Chris.

Just a quick question.

Uh uh, the fence on the left and the north side, how is that going to be addressed?

I'm just curious.

So the fence is an existing fence.

Um, I'll pull this up.

I'm on Google real quick.

So let me back up a little bit.

There's a new fence there that replaced this existing fence.

Uh in some instances that you could say that that's grandfathered.

If somebody came in and said, I want to submit a certificate of appropriateness to repair that fence, it's an existing fence in place.

Uh typically when that fence is removed um and reinstalled or a new fence is installed, uh, it does need to abide by the guidelines.

Um now um regarding whose property it's on.

Um generally I think we're under the assumption that it's included in the site plan uh and it's a new fence so that it was done by this property owner.

Um we can put that element of it to the side and it could potentially be eligible for administrative approval.

Um it would be best if it was set behind, but if it's on the the adjacent property owner's property, um then it's probably acting as their rear fence uh which could extend to the property line.

Uh but it it sounds like we can get action on the front fence and the fence on the south, um, and then we can follow up with the applicant and see uh whose property the uh the north fence is on.

Are y'all able to tell like through DST permits?

Uh whose fence it is.

It it would really no without going into too much detail.

Okay.

Okay.

Go ahead, Chris.

Thank you.

Uh just for the sake of clarity, the uh no more than four-foot rule uh for the front uh wrought iron fence also applies to the gate as well.

Is that right?

That's correct.

Any other questions on my left?

No, thank you.

On my right.

Okay.

Um discussion.

No.

Online.

Any discussion?

No.

Okay.

I have not in the time thinking.

Thank you.

Um can I ask for a motion, please?

I'd like to make a motion to support staff's recommendation or the recommendations uh with the stipulation that the south fence that the owner work with staff in regard to clarifying the situation for the south fence.

North I second that.

Uh, can I have a friendly amendment?

Uh the north I think it's the north fence, right?

Right.

To not the south fence but the north fence.

Thank you.

And that's been seconded.

No.

I have seconded.

Thank you.

Can have a roll call, please.

Davis.

I.

Garcia.

Aye.

Regard.

Aye.

Spiller.

Aye.

Fullergen.

I.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Suppulvada.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Please work with staff on next steps.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

Item number seven on the compliance and technical advisory board agenda, case number 2026-019, 2055 West Wech Avenue.

The applicant is requesting a certificate of appropriateness for approval to number one remove existing waterfall siding from the front facade and replace with the new siding profile.

Number two, modify the existing fenestration at the southwest corner of the western facade.

Number three, replace existing historic windows, and number four, enclose existing gable vents.

Staff does not recommend uh approval of the request.

Staff recommends the following.

Number one, reinstall a historic siding profile at the front facade matching existing.

Number two, restore the existing window openings separated by six-inch mollyons at the southwest corner of the structure and install the original windows or a salvaged wood window were removed.

Number three, install the original wood windows or salvaged wood windows at the front facade and anywhere else original windows were removed and or replaced.

Number four, restore the existing gable vents to their original condition.

And you can approach the dais.

I'm Clinton Popham.

No, you're good.

Okay.

Yeah, when when we purchased the house to flip, it had aluminum siding covering up rotten waterfall.

Um previous to us starting construction, every window in that house has been replaced, minus the one that faces lake.

There was two windows there.

Um wood windows that were in bad shape.

Every other window there has been replaced with aluminum low E glass.

Someone has already remodeled it, rewired it.

Um then uh yeah.

So because it had aluminum siding on it, you know, there's another house on the corner of uh Woodlawn and Lake that someone built permits, right?

Blah blah blah.

It's got tongue and groove siding on it.

Um so I know it's historic, but in that neighborhood, every single house has a different profile siding um that that has been remodeled since 1928.

Um so because it had aluminum metal siding on it, we thought that we could do a siding that was not from 1928.

So we kind of proposed once we got involved with y'all that if we put the waterfall everywhere on the house, minus the front, we wanted to do tongue and groove.

Um like say the windows, we replaced the two windows on the left.

Um the kitchen window was broken, aluminum low E, so we replaced that three by three window as well there um with an upgraded window.

Um, but in the past, all the windows have not been replaced with wood weighted windows from 1928.

Um so the only windows that we did replace were were the two face industry.

Um the gable vents, um louver shutter style gable vents also in bad condition.

Um our idea is to fix up the house, try to sell it for half a million dollars and beautify the neighborhood all at the same time.

Um it's it's not a house that was a hundred percent accurate when we got a hold of it.

Um so we're hoping to have y'all let us change a sighting on the front and keep the two windows on the left.

And we want to do more work, but that'll be our next meeting.

Great, thank you.

Um staff really quick.

Was there an initial C of A?

Uh no, um requested for any kind of construction upon purchase of the property.

Uh for any of the work that you see that has been recently completed, um no COA had been applied for nor issued.

Also, no permits were initially pulled, so the strike team had come out.

Um that's that's how we found out about it, I believe.

Okay.

I think historic told the strike team, so y'all found out about it first.

Um when we bought the house, we should have known by the color of the signs, but the realtor we bought it from said it wasn't historic.

And we had our electrical permit um prior to the strike team getting involved, and when we started the project was the week of Christmas and the week of January, and we were unable to get the permits pulled, and pretty much the day the strike team came out is when we were pulling the HVAC and the plumbing permit.

So we had one permit in place, and then I wanted to do an addition, and I wasn't certified as the extra license that we need that I had to go take a test several times to pass, but I passed it.

Um so that's you know, still our fault, but that's why the the building permit part, the remodel permit part was not pulled in a timely manner.

But the realtor told you it's not historic, even though the street sign right across the street says uh historic district.

Yeah, and I've been doing this a long time, so as soon as I saw the brown signs, I should have known.

Um but then thinking since the house was not any longer in historic condition, um, and the neighborhood we're in, we thought that we would still be able to do some stuff that wasn't well it's sadly been stripped of historic condition, but hopefully we can change that.

Um please.

Madam Chair, do you have any questions?

Okay, then can we go back to the original application?

I wanted to again I apologize on this reading time.

Uh what exactly were you um looking to see?

What would the actual request?

Okay.

Thank you.

And scroll down.

I don't know.

Um the bargain county cable thing that nature.

Okay, yeah.

That's what I was looking for.

Okay, then no work at Dance has that work was was issued.

Yes, ma'am.

We've been we've been back on it for the last two weeks.

Um yeah, we after the stop work order was issued, uh staff noticed that the two windows on the southwestern facade.

Well, the three windows, historic windows had been removed and then replaced with two non-conforming windows.

And this was still after the stop work order was put in place?

Correct.

Okay.

Can we screw down to E and F please?

Uh just go gentlemen.

Okay.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, but um, I'm sure I do think the applicant can answer that question.

Um it's been hard as staff to really identify what exactly has occurred um post-stop work order, but it does appear that um at least one window has been enclosed on the front facade uh temporarily perhaps.

Um and then the other has been replaced with a non-conforming window product elsewhere on the structure.

I I am unsure exactly what has been changed.

It's been hard to determine any other questions, Madam Chair.

Actually, yeah.

So we're looking at the at the material, and again, you know, they make representative that uh that the acquittan has been doing this for years, and familiar with the concern for me because in looking with this, there was no CMA.

Um working with historical work was continued.

Um the workboard is pretty right in the side and pretty stable.

So thanks for the clarification at this point.

You know what?

I'll hope in the other question after my other colleagues um step in and thank you, madam chair.

Uh questions from my colleague on the right.

Uh yes.

So um you wanted to replace the wood siding with just tongue and groove versus the waterfall profile.

Yes, is that correct?

On the front, on the front and the part that's not out that's outside the privacy fence.

So the front left corner, which is like 12 feet, and then across the front of this the fireplace wall.

So how are you thinking to reconcile that where one meets the other?

Um it it turns back.

So we have the front house, so we have the the driveway side here, and so from from this corner, we'd have the waterfall up to this corner, and which faces the neighbor, so we would just do the front of um WESAT and then like 12 feet of lake, and then the house turns back again.

So it would just be that L shape that would be tongue and groove, and then basically everything on the driveway side and behind the privacy fence would all go back to waterfall, and waterfall would be painted and the tongue and groove would be staked.

And um what is your reasoning for that?

Versus just replacing the original profile with you can still get waterfall siding, right?

Oh, yes, ma'am.

Um it's expensive, but yes, ma'am.

I have some up right now.

Okay.

Um and is this the first project that you've done in a historic neighborhood?

Yes, ma'am.

And um you were not aware that you needed to meet with anybody in regard to the work you were gonna do?

No, ma'am.

I thought we would just pull our remodel permit and um yeah.

But this is exterior work, right?

So in a historic neighborhood, it's the the context, right?

That um they're looking at to try and preserve.

Um I think it's actually good that you had aluminum siding over it if somebody was gonna add something, because that probably actually protected uh some of the wood uh through the years that it was on there, uh, so that when it was pulled off, you know, you had a really good not all of that was rotted through, so that gave you a good start to bring it back to context, right?

A difference of opinion most of the time when Sears went out and put that aluminum siding over the the wood siding.

Um it's not like new construction where where we do protect the wood, so actually just continues to rot and decay, and it's been spliced in in multiple locations and like cut out for window units and and and stuff like that.

So for it to look good, and you know, it would be better to replace it or cover it, you know, granted with the waterfall, which would meet the look that it had.

Um that as a remodeler, I would I would always in a house like this, I would just replace it, um, even if it was to go back with waterfall.

Um even if it was to go back with waterfall.

Um right.

So then um once you were issued a stop work order, can I ask you why you felt the need to proceed with the construction?

We we we ultimately did stop until we got our other permits, and then we started back on the inside plumbing electrical mechanical, but um, because we had the aluminum siding off and we had window units off and we had windows off, I needed to protect my investment, which was to put those two windows in and cover the outside with Type.

Once the tie back was on there, which we I asked the city if I could do, we we did nothing else on the outside.

I don't really understand how that works.

If you're issued a stop work order, it sounds like you continued to do work on the outside, even if it was just to protect your investment, is that correct?

What you do on the inside, if you've got permits, is not you know, within our purview.

We're not talking about that.

We're talking about what you've done to the outside where so many changes have been made that staff can't even really determine what's been done and what has not.

Well, the only thing I did after we got that was those two windows that were on the left side.

Other than that, we did not continue working on the facade other than to wrap it with tie back.

The right window that's the new laundry room was was already gone, was already out by the time we got that stop work.

Okay.

Um so we did put those two windows out.

Um three windows to two windows.

Okay.

So that's all my question.

So all reserved side opened up.

The right for comments, thank you.

Um inside and out was opened up, so just ready for water infiltration.

Thank you, sir.

Go ahead.

I have a question for the applicant.

And I think it sort of dovetails into the last two comments from my fellow commissioners.

So am I correct that because you were unaware, you have stated that you were unaware that it was a historic district that you have never you had up to this point not consulted with the Monticello Historic District Association, right?

Is that correct?

Correct.

Okay.

And since the stop work order, uh, when it was notified to you that it was a historic district, and because of that, the work needed to stop.

Have you reached out to that association since the stop work order?

I have not.

The day I got the stop work order, I went down to historic and talked to a gentleman, and that's when we started this process.

At the city, but not not the Monticella district.

No, ma'am.

Okay, okay.

That those were my two questions.

Thank you.

Where are the windows you took out?

Gone.

Trash.

And so after the stop work order, you basically like cut open a wall to take out the three windows that were there.

We already had the and then rebuilt the wall and like replaced the two windows.

Prior to the stop order, we had that whole wall deconstructed from the inside.

Um, and we had all the siding and stuff off from the outside, the aluminum siding, um, which had J trim and stuff like that.

So the original trim and stuff like that was not there.

And they were three wood weighted windows.

And and I think we did that the same day we got the the paper.

Um, and then that's when I went down and talked, and as they were like, Yeah, you can't do anything else, and then we stopped, other than I asked if we could put the tie back up.

Anything else from my colleagues on the left?

Go ahead, Chris.

Uh just one follow-up uh regarding the neighborhood association.

It doesn't look like we have any voicemails or letters from them.

None.

Anything else?

Sir, uh why I'll get to you in just a minute, Juanita.

Uh why did you so they presented it the stop work order to you the same day you threw away the windows in the trash?

Um possibly so when you cut it just like the guys were there working, so so my construction guys are there working, and I got the call about a letter.

So I went over there and I was like it, you know, basically thought it was addressing the siding.

Um, and then so while they were working, I went down to Historic to talk to them about what I could and couldn't do, and that's when I had to submit for the certificate of appropriateness, which I've never done before, so I was unaware of that process.

So I started that process all at the same time those windows were coming out.

And I don't know how many windows are in the house.

There's a lot, 15, but all of the windows have been replaced prior to us buying the house.

All of them have been replaced with aluminum low E windows.

The only three that had never been replaced were the three damaged wood windows.

So since all the other windows were already upgraded, you know, to put three windows back in, I thought was not part of what we were supposed to and one of the pictures, Caitlin.

Isn't there a picture of a dumpster?

Um let me see.

Sure.

Maybe I have oh there it was.

So what's in there?

Um inside stuff, drywall, tongue groove.

Are your windows in there?

Are you it's a siding in there that you took off?

No, that was just long gone.

So we had to stop the project, so we got it called off.

Um, but siding like the aluminum siding that we took off.

Yeah, actually, that was in the front yard, and somebody relieved us of it.

All right.

Um we're gonna move to oh sorry, one more question online, please.

So are we able to say for I can actually ask them questions ask the uh applicant questions at this point?

Say it again.

I do want to make sure I can verify and start asking questions because there's there's a couple of things.

So Kate, but the application for certificate of appropriateness was submitted when we start with that.

Sure.

Let me um this was received January 6th.

The stop work order was issued January 4th.

The strike team visited on January 7th, yes.

Go back up to the top number time, please.

I have online sir, your name what is your name, sir?

Clinton Popham.

Mr.

Poppin.

Yes, ma'am.

So you said that you when was the top purchased by you?

Um I didn't get that, sorry.

When did you purchase it?

Well, what did you purchase the top?

Um probably like the week before Christmas, I think is when we signed the paperwork.

The week before Christmas.

And I believe you informed the commission that you you've been doing these for a few years.

I've had a construction company for 25 years.

Um, for 25 years, I'm gonna start with that.

So in 25 years, I'm gathering that you do research before you do anything.

Is that correct?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, and then doing research.

You said you said you saw the sign, the historical sign a few hundred yards away.

Is that correct?

Yes, not that far.

I mean, I should have by the color of the so it was visible, yes or no?

It was visible.

Okay, and the day you received the violation, you made a call and contacted, but you didn't heed the violation until you worked off.

You told them to continue pretty much, is that correct?

I went and got the paperwork.

Yes, I I the question the question was when you received a violation, you didn't see the work, you proceeded to the historical office while you had your workers continue to work and not heated the violation.

Is that correct?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, then upon receiving the violation, you continued and added an additional window after you received the violation to cease work, correct?

Yes, yes, I believe so.

Okay.

I've I replaced the two wood windows, the three windows.

That's so yes, the answer is yeah.

Then you said that when you re removal the aluminum siding, you know, you you you discovered all the damage.

Now being in construction, which you stated you've been in for 25 years and they do research.

Now let's combine that with the violation that you received in the 25 years of knowledge of construction and the research that you told me that you're aware of doing, and then that you have reached out of the historical office.

Did you do research that once you remove the aluminum style that made you live research on what was the in the historical district that you had discovered from the sign that was visible would be a few yards away?

Sure, there's a question in there, but the answer would be no.

She's asking.

Would you restate that when you oh so my guess my concern is at this point?

The windows are gone.

You're wanting us to modify on what historically is there.

And I believe staff is requesting what payment.

Um essentially that all the work that was done without a certificate of appropriateness is restored.

So technically, reinstall a historic sighting profile at the front facade to match existing, so waterfall.

Restore the um existing fenestration to include the three windows with either the original ones, which we now know um are in the trash, so then a salvage wood window.

Um, and then anywhere else that windows had been removed aluminum, wood, original or not, um that the aluminum ones are um replaced with a product that matches the standard stipulations for window replacement, um, and then restore the existing gable vents to their original condition.

Madam Chair, do you think that's all that was off?

Yes, I'm sorry, that was all my comment at the moment.

Okay, thank you.

And my question, thank you.

Really quick, Caitlin.

So after the initial stop work order, the strike team came out.

Can you tell uh my colleagues and uh others about what that how the strike team is triggered and what it's composed of?

You know, I actually I really can't answer that.

I think read the question.

Can you talk about what triggers the strike team and what it's composed of?

Sure.

Um so the strike team is a uh a team at development services code enforcement um that their role is specific to previously vacant buildings that are undergoing rehabilitation.

Um flipping is the the word that gets used a lot, and so making sure that those properties are getting the right permits and scheduling inspections.

Um you are found in violation of of permitting requirements and are uh flagged by the strike team, they really dig in and visit the site quite a bit, and you have an assigned officer that um works with you to uh come into compliance and to get all those right permits and inspections, and so um we asked the strike team because there were no permits when we did our stop recorder to investigate, and so they did find that there was um work without permits as well.

Thank you for that clarification.

So, in other words, the strike team is just uh or not just, but it's like the the highest level of trying to enforce and bring them into code.

Is that correct?

Yeah, it's a special team.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Uh I'm just a little confused.

The the owner of the host is is Darwin Bodeker and Steven Noriega is the applicant.

So are you how are you related to this project or what's your capacity here is like I'm the delegate for tripod contracting, Steven Noriga, and um I'm actually partners on the house with Darwin.

Bodeker who bought the house.

But you're not an actual owner.

Well, not legally on that piece of paper, but yes.

So when we when he went and filed the paperwork, he filed it, but we're doing the project together, we sell the house, I get my share of the profit.

So who makes the decisions about like what happens when a stop work order is issued or what that process looks like between because it looks like there are uh three owners of the home.

There shouldn't be three owners of the home.

Darwin Bodaker, Mayhew, Coron, and Sharon Jay.

Those were the people that sold the house.

The two last names, those are the previous owners.

The two, yeah.

So Darwin is the new owner.

Sometimes um I've noticed BCAD doesn't quite catch up.

And so what you see here in the header is pulled directly from BCAD.

And so I think because the sale was so recent, it might just have not.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, we'll move to comments now.

Um, Madam Chair, do you have any additional comments?

No, ma'am, no sir.

Thank you.

Thank you, ma'am.

On my right.

Uh yes.

Um, I think that it's unfortunate that this circumstance occurred for you.

Um this, you know, lack of understanding that you were that this house was in a historic neighborhood and what that meant, because there's a couple of layers, right?

There is the Monticello uh historic association or whatever it's called.

And then in addition to that, um, it's in a historic neighborhood that means that it has to come to this body, right, for approval of the materials that you use, and in some case cases, installation.

Um so I'm not going to uh be supporting your request because I think that I don't have any issue with what it is that you do that you come in, you fix a house, and then you want to make a profit on it.

I think that's fine.

But I think that you're missing an opportunity here because if you are in a historic district and you really take the time to understand what that means in terms of the architecture, and you take the care to restore something to its natural beauty, that you're gonna make a lot more money in the end.

But if you are just flipping, then you need to be careful because these are the kind of minefields you're gonna find.

So those are my comments, and um at some point I'm happy to make a motion.

Thank you.

Comments from my colleagues on the left.

Go ahead, Chris.

Uh sure.

Uh I just want to uh second uh my colleagues' comment that uh uh it's very unfortunate about the uh miscommunications, but I would also point out that uh on one hand, thank you for investing in historic neighborhood and you know, by taking some energy to when you look back at the the Google uh view views for the last 20 years for this house, it's it's had a rough time.

Um so by stabilizing it, getting in good condition, and getting a um a solid new owner, it would be a wonderful revived asset for the neighborhood, and because it's on a corner lot across from a school no less, um, a particularly important landmark for people to see as they pass by both of those streets and the school.

Um also I want to emphasize that you these historic districts were created specifically to help uh remind us of some of the traditions in architecture that go back to this time period.

And there are some elements that seem to be missing, maybe that was just temporary, but whether it was the um the vents in the eaves, um the historic knee bracing on the uh uh the gables on the end, um, even some of the details around the windows and and the uh they were you know permanent shutters, but the shutters uh do add to the specific house and also the contact of the entire neighborhood.

And I think um especially as someone who's looking to um have a quick turnaround on this, um the more you can emphasize those specific details, um the more it will appeal uh to potential sellers, and you can um you can aim for the highest price point possible in a historic neighborhood.

So I hope you'll take that into consideration.

Um Chair Jason, I do have a comment.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

I do have a comment.

Um so to that end, um however the vote ends today.

Um and as you're working with the city, I would highly um encourage you to work with the Monticello Historic District.

Go out and reach out to them, um, talk to them about what these houses mean to the community, what these houses mean to um the people who live there, and what those architectural features are and how they are significant to those neighborhoods and those communities.

So I I just would recommend that as you're working with the city um that you also work with the historic district as well.

Thank you.

Anything else?

Great.

Um this case is just everything about it.

It's troubling.

Uh from your lack of not getting uh any kind of permit for work done inside the house to the exterior, even noticing, yes, you did see the historic sign, and you did ask your realtor, but they're just trying to sell a house, they don't care.

Um this house has architectural elements that are unique to that home and help make a story in that whole historic district.

And maybe you're not again, like you said, you're not familiar with historic district um regulations and what the Office of Historic Preservation has as resources, and I'd encourage you as you come into compliance to work with them.

They're there as a resource, uh they're just there to help, and um I totally get your wanting to help fix it, flip it, whatever you're doing, but you got rules, and you got to stick to them in historic districts.

So we'll be moving forward with the motion.

Yeah, go ahead.

We're done with the comments, so thank you.

Um can I ask for a motion, please?

I'd like it uh to make a motion to support staff's denial of the applicant's request and to support staff's recommendation uh one through four.

Second.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Davis, aye, Garcia, aye.

Regard, aye, Spiller?

Aye, Fullerton, aye.

Vasquez?

Aye.

And Suppólate.

Aye.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Sir, please work with the Office of Historic Preservation.

Again, they're a resource and they'll help walk you through it step by step in order to get compliance with permits following historic uh preservation guidelines, and so much more.

They'll point you to resources, all of the above, just work with them.

Thank you for your time.

The house was trashed before it bought.

Next case.

That's it.

Oh, what happened to postponed.

All right, we are adjourned.

Thank you.