Okay, everybody, it is two o'clock.

Let's call the uh July 22nd, 2026 Planning Commission meeting to order.

Would staff please do a roll call?

Commissioner Sánchez?

Present.

Commissioner DeSucci.

Present.

Commissioner Lopez.

Commissioner Cooper?

Here.

Commissioner Miller.

Commissioner Wallerstead?

Here.

Commissioner Bister Monti.

Present.

Commissioner Siegel.

Here.

Commissioner Prophet.

Here.

Chair Peck.

Here.

A quorum is present.

Thank you.

Can we have the Spanish English interpreter, please?

Buenas tardes.

Per favore accompagn me a la cabina min mano derecha.

Gracias.

Thank you.

All right.

Today we're going to have two agendas.

Our first agenda is the consent hearing agenda.

Cases on the consent agenda are cases where staff recommends approval.

The planning commission doesn't require any further detailed discussion, and nobody in the audience is signed up to speak on the item.

All cases will be read into the record in one motion.

If someone is signed to speak to item, we'll be moved to the individual hearing agenda.

Next agenda is the individual hearing agenda.

Cases on individual hearing agenda will be heard separately before any action is taken by the commission.

All right.

So I'm going to break the rules a little bit.

Right now I have items 15 and 16 on individual hearing agenda.

Is that correct?

That is correct.

Okay.

And I know Commissioner Bustamante has to recuse from item number seven, so it is 202, and he is leaving the meeting.

Baris Randy.

Okay.

Would you like to address the commission?

Yes.

Chair, I thought you had just moved that to individual.

No, I left it on the You said 15 and 16 for individual.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Okay.

So just 16.

16.

We're going to leave 15 on consent.

Thank you.

Thank you for clearing that up.

I apologize.

Randy Lee Barnes, Sr.

106, Shadellite Terrace, San Antonio, Texas.

I'm 68 years old.

I inherited the house that I'm living in.

The land that that house sits on was farmland.

And it was bought by the U.S.

military back in 1956, and all the homes that were built in that subdivision, Morning Park subdivision, were built for the 8th Air Force at those Army veterans who are returning from Europe after Korean War.

I've just found out through your staff that this is just an update because needless to say your city don't know what's in the ground.

The plumbing in the ground, city public service, all of them have it.

I'm all for it.

But I live in a neighborhood where only two individuals are original or original families or owners, and all of the rest of them is new.

And we didn't understand that mail packet that you sent out.

So I was asked to come down here and ask to give us something that's common sense that everybody in the neighborhood can understand, where they're not scratching their heads going, okay.

What are you guys doing?

Are you destroying our houses?

What's going on?

I know you got I-35 being built.

But other than that, that's it.

I mean, I live I live in a house that I inherited.

Originally was purchased for $9,500 from the U.S.

government, and now it's ranged at 175,000.

But that's neither here nor there either.

But I'm glad that you're finally putting these properties on the map.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Like I said, you somebody needs to send our neighborhood, everybody, an updated version of what this thing is actually about and the common sense.

That's it.

Thank you.

Okay.

And if you have further questions on that, you can talk to staff.

Yeah, because I served over in a war from 2005 to 2011.

And I came back banged up.

And that's that's the house I've lived in.

That's the house I'm gonna die in.

All right, thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Appreciate it.

Um I have one more clarification on the consent agenda, and that is excuse me while I find it on item number 11.

Um the actual agenda says um to establish Villarette Place subdivision, uh generally located northeast of the intersection of West Villare Boulevard, and it says stretch roach.

So to clarify the agenda.

That is correct.

Okay.

All right.

If there's no other questions on the consent agenda, we'll entertain a motion.

Motion to approve consent agenda.

Second.

We have a motion by Commissioner Profit, and I don't know who the second was.

I think I heard Commissioner Miller first.

Um we will uh staff please do a roll call vote.

Commissioner Profit?

Yes.

Commissioner Miller?

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez?

Yes.

Commissioner Dezuckey.

Yes.

Commissioner Lopez.

Yes.

Commissioner Cooper?

Yes.

Commissioner Wallerstein.

Yes.

Commissioner Siegel?

Yes.

Commissioner uh Chair Peck.

Yes.

Motion passes for approval.

Great.

Thank you.

Somebody let Commissioner Bustamante know that he can re-enter the meeting.

All right, it is 206, and Commissioner Bustamante has re-entered the meeting, and we will move on to item number 16.

Just a quick uh questi uh request.

Um can we call out the item 13 is withdrawn and item 14 is postponed, so we have that in record.

Sure thing or related to the uh consent agenda we just did.

Item number 13 was withdrawn, not on this agenda, and item number 14 has been postponed to August the 12th.

Yes, we will be sending new letters and all that jazz for the postponed item.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hello, everybody.

Um item 16.

Uh, my name is Kelly Sanders, planning manager.

Um item 16 is a request for approval from a res resolution to amend the Southeast Community Area Plan from urban low density residential to regional mixed use, generally located in the 3100 block of South Givers Street.

There were 42 notices mailed, zero in favor, zero opposed within two hundred feet, and there was no response from the Highland Park Neighborhood Association.

The applicant is seeking a plan amendment to regional mixed use to rezone the property to C3 NA C D, General Commercial, Non-alcoholic Sales Uh District with a conditional use for construction trades contractor, screening required for outdoor storage from public right-of-ways and adjacent properties.

The properties uh current land use designation of urban low density residential is appropriate given the existing development pattern and surrounding area.

The applicant is requesting a land use amendment to facilitate that C3NA base zoning district while limiting the industrial use of the construction trades contractor through a conditional zoning.

Although industrial and commercial uses and zoning districts exist nearby across the street, they are concentrated along South Giver Street and represent a greater intensity of development than that envisioned under the neighborhood mixed use land use designation applicable to those areas.

Furthermore, the proposed development would extend beyond the established South Giver Street commercial corridor and into the interior of the block where the surrounding development pattern remains predominantly residential.

As a result, the request is not consistent with the land use or existing land use pattern or the intent of maintaining commercial activity along the established corridor.

Staff does recommend denial.

It did go to zoning commission yesterday where they recommended approval for the amended C3NA CD for a condition construction trades contractor, and the applicant is here to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, hi.

My name is Adriel Ramirez, and uh me and my family own the Infinity Real properties, which is the land uh we saw here.

And we're um planning to develop uh office warehouse flex space.

So it's something a little bit new where you have uh a little warehouse where maybe a plumber comes in, parks his van, his equipment inside, and then you have an office to do invoicing and work.

Um so this is um uh something that if somebody's working in a garage, they have a more professional setting to work on uh instead of a big big warehouse.

So it's small units.

Um maybe we can show the renderings to show a little bit about the project.

Uh anyway, in the meantime, I can talk about what it's located.

So south from where the lot is, uh there's a dry pond or uh rainwater uh retention pond.

So um on the front there's a restaurant, then uh further south there is uh offices and commercial.

Uh really the only uh neighbor is on the back of it on this side from this um lot, and we're about 30 forty feet away from from him for the construction.

Okay, and this is uh the rendering.

So if you see that's one unit where you have where the glass is, it's a small office, and then a bathroom behind, and then you just have a door per unit where again somebody like an electrician, a plumber, a contractor, uh will go in, park his uh equipment, uh maybe leave for the day, do their service calls, come back and uh do some invoicing and then leave home.

Um we are planning um uh a gate, I'm sorry, uh fencing along uh the sides.

Um and then there is an alley on this side.

Uh uh next one.

Uh-huh.

Uh that's better one, yeah.

So we have a total of 15 units on the left.

You see Giver Street, and then on the south from there is the retention pond, and then north you have an alley street, and then to the right there is one residential.

Um if you would go on the street on Givers on the left on the front, we have a restaurant, then further down offices, and there's quite a few commercial uh areas on that area.

And then uh again, everything south from here is a big retention pond.

Um so it's far from uh residential when you're walking there, right?

I know it's uh residential area, but uh maybe if you do the Google uh Earth uh so that they can understand or see this street a little better.

Which way do you want it?

Yeah, so uh on that on the front there, just right on across that's okay, but yeah, that that shows well.

So you see the big area down south.

That's really the entire retention pond.

It's like a whole um whole big area with with no residential.

Then across the street where you see the cars, uh, that's a restaurant.

Then if you move it down south from there, uh that is offices, and then it keeps going commercial uh south on givers from there.

Um any questions on the on the concept on the project.

Is that your your entire presentation?

Are you good?

Uh yes.

All right, all right.

We'll move to Commissioner questions.

We'll start on the left with Commissioner uh Bustamante.

No questions.

Uh is that retention pond?

Is that is that owned by the city?

Yes.

So this retention pond here is owned by by the city, yes.

And also these lots here.

They're not part of the retention, but but there's nothing here.

They're all they're part of the of the city retention pond.

And all this street that is undeveloped here, uh, which is Cosgrove, is also owned from the city, and that street will never be developed.

It's not on the 510 or 15 year plan.

Uh, there's no plans to develop that street.

So really there is nothing in this area.

Yeah.

This is the undeveloped street.

This is empty.

So these are the only two houses that that are near, but we're building 30 feet setback here plus his yards is really a long way from the house to where the construction will start.

And your lot has just been the undeveloped lot for Yeah, it's been uh we I own the front of it, the uh first two parcels for uh almost four years, and then I just acquired the back of it, but it's been empty forever.

So there's a lot of uh uh trash being accumulated there, uh mosquitoes, uh the water doesn't drain well because it's just undeveloped.

So a lot of the neighbors I spoke to, every neighbor 200 feet around, um, and they were all happy something was happening there because there's uh people living there, there's a couple of tents with people living there, so it's a big mess.

Um I didn't hear anybody being against it.

Um they really don't like that everybody comes in trash, puts trash in here, so it doesn't look good at the moment.

It's currently zoned for residential.

You could have built houses in there.

Yeah, yeah.

So right now the front two parcels are MF eighteen, these two, and then these four on the back are R6.

No more questions at the time.

Commissioner Sanchez.

Are you gonna would you be providing the uh required landscape buffer in the rear, uh, but in the uh NP eight?

Uh yes, sir.

On the back here, we we do have thirty feet of green space uh in this area on the back, yes.

So can that remain as native as possible as far as not removing any of the the trees and and using that as a native buffer?

Yes, we actually already put in a permit to inspect all the trees that are there before we start cleaning.

We just want to get rid of all the trash.

There's a lot of roofing materials, there's uh there's just people trashing things in there.

There's a lot of stuff, but I think tomorrow is the inspection to go and check all the trees, and we just want to start cleaning uh the all the trash in there.

Thank you.

Sure.

Commissioner Siegel.

Um I was also going to ask about the um tree preservation.

This um collection of parcels has been um recommended for approval by the zoning commission to become uh commercial property instead of a single family property.

Is that what I saw?

The zoning commission did yes, make a recommendation for our approval yesterday.

And so once this becomes a commercial property, then when it gets developed, it will be subject to the tree preservation requirements.

Anything commercial-wise, yes.

Okay.

Um I don't know if you so um I also wanted to ask if you have spoken to any of the neighbors.

Yes, to to all of them.

To all of them 200 feet around.

Personally, I went door by door and showed them the renderings and talked to every one of them.

And I have a list of everyone that I spoke to.

Can we see that?

Um yes, it's in my phone.

But uh I don't have it up there, but I can show it to you on my phone if you need it here.

So and I shared uh that list um uh with Miss Reed, the Highland Park Association uh president, um, and also with District Three for all the neighbors we spoke to.

I I just put the notes they were saying, so that neighbor wanted mulch.

Uh that one's interesting.

That neighbor John Medina, he he um has uh uh lottery machines or uh that he fixes in arcades and he works out of his garage, so he he said it was a great idea to rent one.

Um a lot of people work out of their garage and are looking for something like this.

It's a fairly new uh idea and they can rent like a big warehouse space.

So we're like uh it it's really for small businesses, a plumber and electrician, somebody that's starting up and wants to look more professional.

Oh, and that neighbor there, uh Mr.

Ramos, he owned the whole thing, and including the the dry pond or the the rain pond, and he sold it to the city, and they're the ones that are always complaining about um trash, because he that's one of the big houses on the back.

Uh they complain about trash and homeless people uh just putting a tent and living there and and they tried cleaning the lot, but sometimes trucks just come in and dump uh uh shingles and the construction materials there.

So it's a big mess right now.

And I I don't want to interrupt your reading because everything, but um when we did receive this, sadly we couldn't really accept it because we do ask for like signatures or something individually written by those folks, so that's kind of why we didn't put it in our counts.

But I do know that the applicant um I believe speaking with council office that he's gonna work on that.

So I just wanted you all aware of why it wasn't in the counts.

Yeah, I'm not very familiar with the process, so I didn't know that they had to sign something.

Well, I think that pretty much answers my question and uh as to uh whether you have spoken to the neighbors or you're collaborating with them or you know, sometimes that makes a difference.

Um but some of the other concerns that I have um have to do with um well we talked about clearing the trees, we talked about um buffers to the neighboring properties, uh we talked about you know communication and cooperation with the neighbors.

I'm also seeing that there's going to be a massive increase of impermeable paving on the site.

And what are your like what preparations are you making for how to deal with that stormwater and runoff, you know, runoff mitigation, stormwater pollution mitigation?

So so we do have the dry pond on the side, which is uh in our favor, right?

We can drain the water properly there into the street.

Um so we don't have all the engineering drawings, but we plan to um drain the water properly.

Right now it's getting stuck in that lot because it's not draining properly there, the level is not there, and that's why there's so much mosquitoes and and so on at the moment.

Okay, so you're saying that that lot currently does not drain properly, it's not graded properly to drain, and you were left with standing water.

Not that that has the problem where it's in a flood sun, it's it's not, it's just not uh graded properly to handle the water.

Okay, all right.

Uh you know, I think that this is a really interesting idea because there are a lot of business owners, I'm sure, small business owners.

I work with a lot of contractors and their office is their truck, right?

And they might like it if they had a place to go and store excess construction materials, you know, during during the time that they're on a project.

Um I think it's really interesting.

I'm also sensitive to the context of the neighborhood and this being sort of a very large parcel development that's inconsistent with what we're seeing on other parts of the neighborhood also potentially encroaching into the single family areas.

My last concern has to do with the capacity of Gavers Street to act as a an entry point for this property.

I I don't know the answer about whether or not Givers is sufficiently laned to handle the turning ins and turning outs.

From the renderings.

Uh we we have normally our competitors doing flex space in San Antonio and the city requires one parking spot per unit because they normally park inside, right?

Of that door in their own uh the tenant parks in their own uh unit, and we're offering four parking spots per unit.

So we're we're there is nobody's gonna park on the street.

The parking is uh a lot more than it's needed just because we have the space for it.

Well, I was actually thinking more about like the turning capacity off of the road into the lot.

unit because they normally park inside right of that door in their own uh the tenant parks in their own uh unit and we're offering four parking spots per unit so we're we're there is nobody's gonna park on the street the parking is uh a lot more than it's needed just because we have the space for it well I was actually thinking more about like the turning capacity off of the road into the lot of yeah and the street is 24 that street uh where that the the width of the street is 25 feet so from visiting with uh uh the different departments here uh they thought it was adequate and not being an issue for the street initially right I did visit with all the departments internally did you have like a preliminary plan review is that what you're talking about uh huh I did okay I think I don't have any more questions thank you thank you Commissioner Wallerstein uh could you tell me about the perimeter fencing are you putting it around all the entire perimeter you know yeah we're we're open to what uh uh the city requires and uh we're flexible on that but initially we're proposing a fence along this side and this side because this is where one house is on the back and then here it's an alley street all this is an alley street uh but we're putting another fence here okay so if you put a perim what type uh what type of perimeter fence would be a six foot privacy payments six foot solid fence okay and if you put the six foot privacy fence on the east side I presuming on the right side there yes it it's telling me that you had some of the land that you have not developed who's going to maintain that land because it'll become a wild you know no we we would maintain it so the fence would be here and then the neighbor's backyard is starting here so we would maintain the green belt here as part as part of the property.

So the outs the that the extra piece of land will be within the within the property and we would maintain it yes.

But I thought you said it was going to be a 30 or four forty foot distance probably so this is 30 feet 30 32 feet right now on the site map this area here.

Okay.

One last question are these buildings uh will they accommodate an 18-wheeler or is this just utility type trucks just bands normally small contractors don't have that much of equipment it's just startup companies maybe somebody that um does some small shipping to FedEx and the FedEx truck comes in uh it's really small vehicles okay so we're not talking industrial type no not at all no okay that's no more questions Commissioner Prophet uh question staff if uh this state say R6 in the middle and I wanted to put a house there could I I mean there's doesn't seem to be any access right because you have an alley and a paper street it does appear if there were houses built on there the developer or the builder would have to I assume um develop the appropriate drive from givers.

Right that's that's I was thinking so you know thinking about what the best use for this property and you know before hearing your presentation and considering it more you know again the regional mixed use is always a red flag for me but again uh I think there's not a one size fits all and that's kind of our duty is to evaluate you know the individual items here but but if we you know if city council doesn't also approve it is I unless somebody buys it and has access through Jeevers just doesn't look like anything would be developed here so it looks like you have a viable plan that doesn't and seems like the neighborhood supports so and it's a very interesting point because this land is about say 1500 it's not the at the most right so we paid 90 thousand for it.

So anybody buying this land is not going to spend a million dollars to build this street here it will just stay there forever like if nobody will do it.

No investor will say let me buy this for a hundred thousand but by the way I have to build a million dollar street it will just stay unused forever.

Yeah that's what I was thinking so thank you and no further questions.

Commissioner Miller no questions Commission Cooper.

No questions Commissioner Disuke um I heard all the questions and all the answers and I appreciate you reach out to all the neighbors to the north probably the east side as well what kind of message you delivered to all the neighbors about the project what did how did you present the project to them?

Basically, um, you know, we said if if if you're a plumber, if your family is a a plumber and they want to rent one of these units, they're not gonna be that uh expensive.

I think uh we're looking to rent them for uh 1400 to 1500 a unit.

Um so they're accessible from one of the neighbors, like I said, said he wanted one unit.

So I think it was well perceived uh in general.

I I really didn't hear anybody saying anything negative.

Uh on the type of the businesses that you allow to this project.

Have you telling them what kind of this business is?

My concern is somebody was like uh a very noisy machine equipment could come in and use that place where it this noise could be translated to the neighbors in the north that becomes a noisy neighbors.

So I so the C3 C D, what is specifically the type of the businesses and maybe I'll follow with the question with the staff.

What is the nature of the businesses that might be allowed under C3 C D.

I I can answer from experience on what m other competitors in the city are are doing, who the tenants are, and all the flex spaces that are it's a new thing, right?

And and normally in in in the US it's a new thing.

Um they're all in the city, there are C3, and normally it's people storing something though, the inside, going off site doing work, coming back, leaving the equipment because they don't want to they want it to get stolen.

Uh I work with a lot of contractors because I own property and we maintain it.

Everybody gets stolen equipment like I don't know, twice a year.

So it's really something people want to have to store something, park their car, store something, come back, do some invoicing and go home.

It's really not something to go work there, like a mechanic or that's not adequate space for a mechanic because you can only come in with one car, they won't like it.

A mechanic likes a big lot where they can have a bunch of cars outside and a different layout.

This is really intended for somebody parking inside valuable equipment uh and and leaving.

So it's like a storage units.

It's it's like a combination of storage with an office.

With an office.

Yeah.

It's it's really something new.

I think it's something people really need, yeah.

Okay.

Does the request from the applicants for C3 C D will maintain that use to be uniform throughout the life of the project?

Would that gonna be any that's the question to the staff?

I'm sorry, read Does does the use that the applicant is proposing falls under C3 C D and there is no other choices of businesses that might be interfering with the goal of the project?

Like a plumber in the future that could open.

So again, the construction contractor, construction trades contractors allow a lot of all your different um folks, the contractors, plumbers, electricians, those kind of items.

Businesses.

So they might be allowed to I mean they would be permitted a lot of other things that are included in C3.

So they don't have to go with just this if they get this zoning.

So what is the point of the C D?

The C D is because that use is only permitted in industrial districts.

And so he's trying to keep a commercial district and conditioned down in one single industrial use.

So without C D a plumber couldn't be there or an electrician.

It's for contractors uh to be able to be there.

And we did get exemptions, uh amendments to the C3, which is the NA, and that's how it was approved yesterday in the zoning meeting.

And then uh hours of operation are only Monday through Sara Saturday, 7 a.m.

to eight p.m., Sunday uh 7 a.m.

to six p.m.

And then we have to do downfacing lighting and no temporary signage or uh waivers or anything outside.

So there was some of the uh amendments to the to the zoning.

Okay.

It is the future use of this.

Have you decided at some point to sell the project to somebody else?

A new landlord might see a potential to open the door for other businesses that might be you know that's that's exactly what my concern would be.

Yeah, no, uh like I said, I own the the front two parcels and I've been waiting a long time to buy the backside to do this.

I really believe in flex space, it's something that is in need.

Um and I believe in this more than uh uh building apartments uh because we have too many apartments right now in the city.

So this is really something I believe in, and I'm gonna I'm gonna do this as a lot of I I agree with the project.

I agree with the layout.

I agree with the business the way you present it.

I'm just concerning the future of it.

And the close proximity to the neighbors across that they're not gonna go anywhere.

And if these businesses stay the way you present it, then definitely I will support it.

Is it just what happens when that is not going to be the case years from now?

Yeah, no, I intend to do it.

I'm also vested in the neighborhood we own another two properties in Highland Park.

So I like that area, and I really want to develop this.

No further question.

Thank you.

Is the um the fact that it I guess it's catering to, you know, small contractors like plumbers and electricians and things like that.

Is that what is that what's driving the C3 C D?

I mean, when it's being described, it almost feels like office flex or something like that.

That use does um require a conditional use if you want a commercial district.

Now he could do C2 or C3, but he has selected C3.

So the use could be done in the C2?

It could potentially be a C2 C D, but I'm not certain.

Um Samantha may have most likely had brought this up, the case manager.

So I'm not certain why.

Um, but again, C2 is an available option as well.

Uh some of the trades are not possible at C2.

Uh like if you see flex space, the concept of flex space needs to be C3.

Everybody in San Antonio doing flex space, like what this is called, has C3.

Nobody is doing that with C2.

Like I wouldn't invest with C2 because I would be in a disadvantage with other uh flex spaces in the city.

So what he is in, yeah, what he's stating is our use warehouse flex space, which is a mix of office and warehousing.

So it wouldn't really follow along with the um contractors.

It would be something of a sort if somebody was selling products or you know, they had um they wanted to keep it a smaller uh low-key than actual big time warehousing.

Okay.

All right.

That answers my question.

Any further questions from the commission?

I have one more.

Sure thing.

Is it possible for like an auto body they can do painting and things like that?

No, not possible.

Well, it not auto body, but different types of auto sales or um mechanical work would be permitted in the C3, but not auto body, correct?

And just to clarification, uh even going C2, it's we require a land a plan amendment, right?

Because a plan would still be required.

And it would be there's is there one between uh is there one that's lower than regional mixed use?

Yes.

But more is a community commercial or something like that.

Bear with me a second, I had it.

I think commercial, there's one called commercial mixed use, but that is higher.

I think the benefit with Samantha was explaining to me, uh, my coordinator is that regional mixed use allows in the future to do residential.

They can rezone back to residential.

But the commercial mix use or the other uh one did not allow for residential anymore.

So this can always go back to be residential.

But we do have the option of urban mixed use, which would do the C two based zoning, but again, it would constrict him from other uses that he potentially wants to use.

Yeah, I would just manage yeah, just um just a question, actually.

So that's nothing else.

Is it possible that somebody could open like a tire shop in one of these units?

Yes.

That could happen, something like that.

Yes.

Is there any way to put a restriction on those uses?

Sadly, no.

If something is permitted by right in that base zone, we cannot restrict it.

Um just to add, uh normally I see competitors doing the same thing.

That's how I learn uh or how we would an investor will do it.

They go see what somebody else has done and basically copy it.

Uh a tire shop doesn't want to be in a place that is secluded uh with no visibility.

Nobody will know they're there.

Normally people rent these places that they're not retail, they don't care that they don't have visibility.

So like a mechanic, a tire shop, those kinds of things, they can find many other places for the same price with better visibility and rent somewhere else.

They wouldn't be interested in renting somewhere inside.

Just by the name by the market, right?

They'll find the better place.

Okay.

Any other commissioner questions?

I'm just gonna make a comment.

What's gonna be coming up?

So just the amount of impervious cover, I don't see no islands there.

So you're gonna need 12 trees roughly just for the parking lot.

So just something to think about because there's not anywhere to plan, there's no islands, so you're gonna have to cram some trees in there, but just to get the parking lot through 12 trees, roughly.

Yes, and it's possible because we have too much parking.

Uh it's four four cars per unit, so we can bring it down to three cars per unit and add more green space and trees.

You're just gonna run into more variances with that, so I would I would try to suggest that try to squeeze as many as you can to get in compliance with that.

Okay, thank you.

Just advice.

Yes, appreciate it.

Any other commissioner questions?

If not, we'll entertain a motion.

Motion to deny the applicant request.

We have a motion for denial by Commissioner DeSucci.

Second.

We have a second by Commissioner Bustamante.

Staff, please do a roll call vote.

Commissioner De Succi.

Yes.

Commissioner Vistamonte?

Commissioner Sanchez?

No.

Commissioner Lopez?

No.

Commissioner Cooper?

No.

Commissioner Miller?

No.

Commissioner Wallerstead?

No.

Commissioner Siegel?

No.

Commissioner Profit?

No.

Chair Peck?

No.

Motion fails.

Okay.

Motion to do the motion to reconsider, or can I just make a motion?

You can just make a question.

You can make yeah, as long as you don't want to do another motion to deny, you can just make the motion to approve.

Or other motions.

Okay.

Motion to approve applicants request.

Second.

We have a motion for approval by Commissioner Profit and a second by Commissioner Miller.

Commissioner Profit?

Yes.

Commissioner Miller?

Yes.

Commissioner Sanchez?

Yes.

Commissioner Dezuki?

No.

Commissioner Lopez?

Yes.

Commissioner Cooper?

Yes.

Commissioner Wallerstein?

Yes.

Commissioner Bistamonti?

No.

Commissioner Siegel?

Yes.

Chair Peck?

Yes.

Motion passes for approval.

Thank you.

All right.

Is there any uh director's report?

No, there is not.

I see some conversation happening.

No?

Okay.

All right.

Uh with that, it is 243 and we are adjourned.