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San Diego City Council Meeting March 24, 2025: Library Contract, Business Diversity, and Grocery Ordinance

City CouncilMonday, March 24, 2025
BodySan Diego, California
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, March 24, 2025
StatusFILED
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0:09

I wish you'd stop ignoring me because it's sending me to despair.

0:13

Without sound here, you're calling me, and I don't think it's very fair.

0:19

Oh, but you're an explosion.

0:22

Your name is a real one, I don't care the sound of life in the views, man.

0:28

I bet that you look good on the dance.

0:40

Oh, I just eighty four.

0:44

Well not in eighty four.

1:22

I don't know what you're looking for, I saw I don't know what you're looking at.

6:31

Good morning.

6:31

I will now call the city council meeting of Monday, March 24th, 2025 to order.

6:36

Clerk, please call the roll.

6:37

Thank you, Council President.

6:38

Councilmember Campbell?

6:39

Here.

6:40

Councilmember Whitburn.

6:41

Here.

6:41

Councilmember Foster.

6:43

Councilmember Von Wilpert.

6:44

Council President Pro Tem Lee.

6:47

Councilmember Campillo.

6:48

Here.

6:49

Councilmember Moreno.

6:51

Present.

6:52

Councilmember Elo Rivera.

6:53

Present.

6:54

And Council President Lacava.

6:56

Present.

6:56

Also attending the meeting are City Attorney Heather Ferber, independent budget analyst Charles Marica, and myself, your city clerk, Deanna Fuentes.

7:04

Thank you, Clerk.

7:05

Horum is now present.

7:06

We will begin this morning with an invitation by City Clerk Fuentes, followed with the land acknowledgement and the pledge of allegiance led by Councilmember Ilo Rivera.

7:18

Grant those who hold office in this city the spirit of wisdom, charity, and justice that with steadfast purpose, they may faithfully serve in their offices to promote the well-being of all people.

7:32

Thank you, Clerk.

7:33

We respectfully acknowledge that the Kumiya Nation are the original inhabitants of the unceded land now known as San Diego.

7:40

Despite enduring the horrors of genocide and colonization, the Comille spirit remains unbroken.

7:45

We honor the resilience of their ancestors who fought to protect their culture and land today.

7:50

They carry their legacy forward, ensuring that the their generate their excuse me, that ensuring that their traditions continue to thrive in gratitude and strength.

8:32

How the public can offer their public testimony during today's meeting.

9:01

Thank you, Sir Clerk.

9:03

Please read the closed session items into the record.

9:34

Please proceed with public comment on the closed session items.

10:01

I understand it's secret, but we must remind you that uh protection of this assets is money.

10:11

Taxpayers' money.

10:13

We just paid our tax three days ago.

10:19

If only for security, we must harness the public participation.

10:27

Particularly those people approximate to this infrastructure.

10:34

Critical infrastructure.

10:36

For example, our treatment plant.

10:40

For example, our industrial facilities emitting toxic gases.

10:47

Another example is election process technology.

10:52

Please proceed to the next item, CS2.

10:55

I'll put another minute on the clock.

10:57

I'm sorry, I am only given one minute.

11:00

You can, sir.

11:02

You still have another minute for item CS2.

11:06

Thank you.

11:08

Okay.

11:09

I'll go to those participating remotely.

11:11

Sorry, the five-minute timer.

11:14

8700, if you can please unmute and let me know which item or items you wish to speak to.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Miscellaneous████████████████████████24%
Public Comment████████████12%
Grocery Pricing████████████12%
Libraries████████8%
Procurement████████8%
Equal Opportunity Contracting██████6%
Racial Equity██████6%
Public Health████4%
Cannabis Regulation████4%
Summary of Proceedings

San Diego City Council Meeting – Monday, March 24, 2025

The San Diego City Council convened on March 24, 2025, at approximately 9:00 AM for the morning session, recessed into closed session, and reconvened at 2:00 PM for the regular meeting. The council considered three major agenda items: approval of a second amendment to the library systems contract (S400), an informational presentation on the FY2024 Business Diversity Annual Report (Item 200), and adoption of a Grocery Pricing Transparency Ordinance (S401). The meeting included extensive public testimony, deliberation, and votes on each item.

Consent Calendar

  • No separate consent calendar was presented; all items were heard individually.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Closed Session (CS1 & CS2): One speaker expressed concerns about cybersecurity and budget priorities for legacy applications, and noted that a related contract item had been pulled from a previous committee meeting. The same speaker also commented on trip-and-fall liability and sidewalk safety.
  • Item S400 – Library Systems Contract:
    • Cesar Javier criticized the contract oversight and alleged a lack of transparency, calling for audits.
    • Andrea Ebbing supported the library as a critical resource but questioned the city's contract management and the mayor's workload.
    • Remote speakers (Joyce Sonata, others) emphasized the vital nature of the ILS system, expressed concern about contract neglect, and noted the need for cybersecurity integration.
    • Blair Beekman praised the library as a community jewel and urged embedding cybersecurity measures into contract processes.
  • Item 200 – Business Diversity Annual Report:
    • Cesar Javier argued that overlapping departmental responsibilities waste money and undermine equity.
    • Andrea Ebbing linked contract distribution to alleged county misconduct and unaddressed public safety issues.
    • Joyce Sonata highlighted declining diversity percentages, particularly for women in construction (from 4-3% to 1%) and in AE (from 15% to 7%), and noted zero awards to Black-owned firms in construction.
    • Francine Maxwell stated the report shows a lack of intentionality; the “George Floyd effect” has been retired, and she urged redirecting staffing from deputy COOs to equity programs.
  • Item S401 – Grocery Pricing Transparency Ordinance:
    • Supporters: Paul Downey (Serving Seniors) called the ordinance critical for seniors on fixed incomes; Bob Pratt (AARP volunteer) described digital barriers as deepening inequality; Barry Berman (AARP volunteer) emphasized the digital divide; Bob Kaiser (senior citizen) shared personal difficulty without a smartphone; Tim James (California Grocers Association) opposed the current language, asking for a delay to avoid unintended consequences like loss of all coupons; Andrea Ebbing shifted to support the ordinance; multiple remote speakers (Thelma Navarro, Al Del Mastro, Julie Porter, John Brady, Elida Chavez, Francine Maxwell) shared personal struggles with digital coupons and urged passage; Blair Beekman recommended working on formulas to prevent price increases.
    • Opposition/Concerns: Al Del Mastro warned of overregulation and urged a conversation with grocers; Justine Murray (San Diego Regional Chamber of Commerce) expressed concerns about the lack of stakeholder outreach and possible negative effects on loyalty programs.
  • Non-Agenda Public Comment: Speakers addressed topics including District 1 vacancy and county governance, a home-based ceramics kiln operation complaint, tobacco and marijuana policy, and calls for stronger enforcement against illegal flavored tobacco/marijuana sales.

Discussion Items

  • Item S400 – Second Amendment to Contract with Innovative Interfaces Inc. for Library Systems Maintenance

    • Staff (Raul Goudinho, Curtis Williams) presented the request for a two-year extension and $338,000 increase due to a 10-month implementation gap not captured in the original contract. The library admitted a lapse in communication but has implemented weekly check-ins with purchasing. The RFP for a new contract is underway, with notice of intent to award expected in April 2025.
    • Councilmember Campbell noted the money was already in the library budget, that the system is mission-critical (without it libraries cannot operate), and that such oversights are now rare. She moved staff’s recommendation.
    • Councilmember Von Wilpert asked about tracking responsibilities and price increases, and expressed concern about expired contracts generally, but stated she would not support the item due to a policy against voting for expired contracts. She voted no.
    • Councilmember Campillo seconded the motion, emphasizing the need to continue library operations and fix the timeline issue.
    • Vote: Passed 7–2 (Councilmembers Foster and Von Wilpert voted no; Councilmember Campbell absent? but recorded as present in roll call – discrepancy: councilmember Campbell was present and voted yes, but later noted absent for S401? Actually Campbell was present for S400, and then absent for S401 per roll call. Vote was 7-2 with Foster and Von Wilpert no.)
  • Item 200 – Fiscal Year 2024 Business Diversity Annual Report (Informational)

    • Staff presented data: 378 certified SLBE firms; aspirational goal of 20% for CIP projects met each year; FY24 total contract awards of $704.1 million, with $116.9 million to SLBE/ELBE firms. Breakdown by category and ethnicity showed disparities (e.g., construction awards: 88% white, 9% Latino, 0% Black). A new citywide SLBE aspirational goal of 15% was adopted for FY25. Income caps are being revised upward.
    • Councilmembers discussed challenges: the drop in women-owned business participation, the need for unbundling large contracts, and the limitation of the aspirational goal set at 15% for all contracts. Councilmember Campillo suggested separate goals for different contract types.
    • No motion required; item was informational only.
  • Item S401 – Grocery Pricing Transparency Ordinance

    • Presenter Jeffrey Nguyen outlined the ordinance: requires retail grocery stores that offer digital-only discounts (via apps or online) to also make identical discounts available in paper/physical form or as shelf tags. The ordinance aims to address the digital divide affecting seniors, low-income households, and those without digital literacy. Enforced through unfair competition law (California Business & Professions Code). Exemption for online-only retailers.
    • Councilmember Elo Rivera (author) emphasized that this is a fairness measure to ensure all San Diegans can access the best prices, noting that 165 days have passed since the proposal was announced and a committee hearing was held. He moved approval.
    • Councilmember Von Wilpert seconded and offered an amendment to delay implementation for 90 days after the second reading, to allow the grocery industry time to adjust. The amendment was accepted.
    • Councilmember Foster supported, referencing seniors in her district on fixed incomes.
    • Councilmember Campillo raised questions about enforcement mechanism (state UCL) and whether all grocery stores must post a sign even if they don't offer digital discounts. City Attorney confirmed no issue with the amendment.
    • Vote: Unanimously passed 8–0 (Councilmember Campbell absent).

Key Outcomes

  • Item S400: Approved a second amendment to the contract with Innovative Interfaces Inc., extending services through February 2026 and increasing contract capacity by $338,000 (funds already in library budget). Vote: 7–2.
  • Item 200: Informational only; report received and placed on file. Council noted ongoing equity challenges and staff’s upcoming outreach efforts.
  • Item S401: Adopted the Grocery Pricing Transparency Ordinance (first reading) with a 90-day delayed implementation after the second reading. The ordinance requires physical or paper equivalent of any digital discount at retail grocery stores with physical locations in San Diego. Vote: 8–0.
  • Closed Session: Nothing to report out.
  • Next Meeting: Tuesday, March 25, 2025, at 10:00 AM.

Meeting Transcript

I wish you'd stop ignoring me because it's sending me to despair. Without sound here, you're calling me, and I don't think it's very fair. Oh, but you're an explosion. Your name is a real one, I don't care the sound of life in the views, man. I bet that you look good on the dance. Oh, I just eighty four. Well not in eighty four. I don't know what you're looking for, I saw I don't know what you're looking at. Good morning. I will now call the city council meeting of Monday, March 24th, 2025 to order. Clerk, please call the roll. Thank you, Council President. Councilmember Campbell? Here. Councilmember Whitburn. Here. Councilmember Foster. Councilmember Von Wilpert. Council President Pro Tem Lee. Councilmember Campillo. Here. Councilmember Moreno. Present. Councilmember Elo Rivera. Present. And Council President Lacava. Present. Also attending the meeting are City Attorney Heather Ferber, independent budget analyst Charles Marica, and myself, your city clerk, Deanna Fuentes. Thank you, Clerk. Horum is now present. We will begin this morning with an invitation by City Clerk Fuentes, followed with the land acknowledgement and the pledge of allegiance led by Councilmember Ilo Rivera. Grant those who hold office in this city the spirit of wisdom, charity, and justice that with steadfast purpose, they may faithfully serve in their offices to promote the well-being of all people. Thank you, Clerk. We respectfully acknowledge that the Kumiya Nation are the original inhabitants of the unceded land now known as San Diego. Despite enduring the horrors of genocide and colonization, the Comille spirit remains unbroken. We honor the resilience of their ancestors who fought to protect their culture and land today. They carry their legacy forward, ensuring that the their generate their excuse me, that ensuring that their traditions continue to thrive in gratitude and strength. How the public can offer their public testimony during today's meeting. Thank you, Sir Clerk. Please read the closed session items into the record. Please proceed with public comment on the closed session items. I understand it's secret, but we must remind you that uh protection of this assets is money. Taxpayers' money. We just paid our tax three days ago. If only for security, we must harness the public participation. Particularly those people approximate to this infrastructure. Critical infrastructure. For example, our treatment plant. For example, our industrial facilities emitting toxic gases. Another example is election process technology.

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