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2024年9月4日规则委员会会议

Rules CommitteeWednesday, September 4, 2024
BodySan Diego, California
SessionRules Committee
DateWednesday, September 4, 2024
StatusFILED
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2:24

All right, good morning, everyone.

2:25

Uh welcome to the rules committee meeting of September 4th, 2024.

2:29

Our committee liaison, Natalie Kessler will go over information and instruction for today's meeting.

2:34

Thank you, Council President.

2:35

While members of the public are able to attend the meetings in person, this meeting is being televised and live streamed on the city's website, and Council Administration will continue to make arrangements for the public to comment using the Zoom webinar platform.

2:47

Additionally, members of the public who wish to provide testimony via a call-in or an internet-based service option must enter the virtual speaking queue within five minutes after the conclusion of in-person public testimony or before the virtual speaking queue is exhausted, whichever occurs first.

3:00

This will allow for better meeting management between the two platforms and ensure the committee is able to manage and conduct city business.

3:08

Council President.

3:42

And if you are in person, please complete a speaker slip located at the entrance of chambers and place it in the box indicated at the speaker's lecture in the front of the room.

3:48

Please do so in a timely manner to ensure proper meeting management.

3:51

In-person testimony will conclude before virtual testimony begins.

3:55

Members of the public can join the webinar by computer, tablet, or smartphone by accessing the link, which is listed online in the preamble language of the agenda on this city's webpage.

4:18

Members of the public who wish to provide testimony via a call-in or an internet-based service option must enter the virtual speaking key within five minutes after the conclusion of in-person public testimony or before the virtual speaking queue is exhausted, whichever occurs first.

4:31

If you're watching via City TB24 or online, there may be a delay.

4:35

Please participate via the audio on your phone and mute your TV or computer when it is your turn to speak.

4:39

And if you wish to speak on a particular item, please wait for that item to be called and then raise your hand by tapping the raise your hand icon.

4:46

Or if you are a call-in participant, pr press star nine on your phone.

4:50

If you raise your hand during a non-comment period, your hand will be lowered.

4:53

Council President.

5:01

Natalie, if you would please proceed with public comment on the minutes.

5:05

Thank you.

5:06

The public comment period for the past committee minutes of July 24th, 2024 is now open.

5:11

And we have not received any speaker slips from individuals in chambers on the past committee minutes, but we do have two hands raised in the virtual queue.

5:18

I will begin the five minute timer for all those to indicate that they wish to speak on the past committee minutes.

5:22

The original, please begin your comments.

5:23

You'll have one minute.

5:26

Yeah, first I wanted to say the zoom time said 2100, which is 9 p.m.

5:30

So I mean that could be confusing to some people if you want to make sure that that's correct next time so that they don't think it's going to be later on in the evening.

5:38

Um and then on my comments, I was talking about public input and how important that is.

5:43

Um, but what was written is saying that public comment reflects the council's actions, which is true.

5:48

Um, but the reflect it's a reflection of the environment that the council has actually created um as far as you know dissenting opinions that come from the people and your uh many times unwillingness to want to hear from people if they are not um just kind of you know going along with whatever you guys are doing and you know, giving you accolades.

6:09

Um, you know, it's important to have dissenting opinions, and you're supposed to make your decisions based on the public opinion because you're supposed to represent the people.

6:19

And um, you know, when you do things like silence the people and you wonder why they get mad, again, that's a reflection of the environment that you have created.

6:27

Thank you.

6:28

Our next caller is iPhone.

6:33

Yes, thank you.

6:34

Uh, this is Lori Saldania calling.

6:36

I didn't realize I need to update the software.

6:39

Uh I was referring to the code of conduct that came before uh council at the previous meeting.

6:45

Um it deals with many issues about communications by uh the code of conduct of appointees to boards and commissions.

6:53

But one thing that was not mentioned, and it's a serious oversight, is how they interact with members of the public in person at meetings, but also on social media.

7:04

We have seen increasingly very uncivil behavior coming from members of appointees that you have confirmed to boards and commissions, uh, including one person calling people who testify uh dad flows when they testify at public meetings.

7:20

This is a person who chairs a subcommittee of another board.

7:24

And here's testimony to the people, but apparently he is not holding high regard.

7:29

So I would encourage this committee to review the code of conduct and make sure that it includes the behavior of appointments, members of the president.

7:38

This does conclude your time.

7:39

Thank you.

7:39

And council president, this will conclude public comment on the past committee minutes.

7:44

All right, thank you for that, Natalie.

7:46

Uh, do we have a motion to approve the minutes?

7:48

Got a motion from Council President Potemlikava.

7:50

Council member Moreno, a second.

7:52

All right.

7:53

Um, I don't see any requests to speak to the comments.

7:57

Um, Natalie, I will just do a voice vote.

7:59

All those in favor of approving the minutes, please say aye.

8:02

Aye.

8:02

Anybody opposed?

8:04

All right.

8:04

That passes unanimously.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
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Public Engagement██████████████████████████26%
Procedural█████████████████17%
Transparency█████5%
Pending Litigation█████5%
Public Safety████4%
Virtual Public Comment███3%
Community Engagement███3%
Summary of Proceedings

2024年9月4日规则委员会会议

规则委员会于2024年9月4日举行会议,讨论并批准对理事会规则的修改,并听取公众意见。会议包括批准上次会议记录、讨论规则变更以及非议程公众评论。

同意议程

  • 批准了2024年7月24日的会议记录,以口头表决一致通过。

公众评论和证词

  • 会议记录公众评论:一位发言者批评了会议记录中关于公众意见的措辞,认为它没有反映理事会创造的压制性环境。另一位发言者(Lori Saldania)敦促将任命者行为准则扩展到社交媒体互动,并指出一名委员会主席称公众证人为“dad flows”。
  • 项目一(规则变更)公众评论:多位发言者反对赋予理事会主席将直接议题项目置于同意议程的权力。他们称此举缺乏透明度、权力集中且可能滥用,引用了审计发现的合同超支(一位发言者提及4700万美元,另一位提及1.55亿美元)。具体发言者包括Terry Hoskins(第9区居民,竞选理事会)、Paul Kruger、Lori Saldania、Becky Rapp、Diane Grace、Kathleen Lippett、Joy Sonia(支持但要求透明标记)、Peggy Walker等。Joy Sonia建议对主席标记的同意项目加星号。一些发言者支持其他规则变更(如6.11.1E)。
  • 非议程公众评论:Lori Saldania提交了因违反Brown Act举行仪式而意图诉讼的通知,指控未经适当通知。其他发言者(包括Megan Stewart、Madison Rapp、Kathleen Lippett、Judy Strang)强烈主张保留虚拟公众评论,特别是有儿童或交通不便的人士。一位发言者关切规划组的自主权,另一位询问委员会会议时间冲突问题。

讨论项目

  • 项目一:理事会规则的拟议修订:Luce(立法事务主任)介绍了三项变更:
    1. 规则2.4.3:同意议程——除非理事会主席另有规定,否则绕过委员会的项目不得置于同意议程。这实际上允许主席直接放置项目。
    2. 规则6.6.1:立法工作人员——删除“立法助理”职位,仅保留立法事务主任。
    3. 与预算审查委员会相关的变更(规则6.11.1E),但未详细讨论。 理事会成员Campillo表示支持,指出任何成员均可将项目从同意中移除,且当前主席已与委员会主席协商。Pro Tem Potemlikava也支持,称这是对2023年引入规则的合理完善,并驳斥了与审计报告相关联的说法。主席Elia Rivera强调了委员会主席的权力,并承诺将直接备忘录附在提交给全体理事会的材料中。

关键成果

  • 一致通过(5-0)批准对理事会规则的拟议修订,并将其提交给全体理事会审议批准。
  • 会议记录一致通过。
  • 非议程公众评论被记录下来供参考。

Meeting Transcript

All right, good morning, everyone. Uh welcome to the rules committee meeting of September 4th, 2024. Our committee liaison, Natalie Kessler will go over information and instruction for today's meeting. Thank you, Council President. While members of the public are able to attend the meetings in person, this meeting is being televised and live streamed on the city's website, and Council Administration will continue to make arrangements for the public to comment using the Zoom webinar platform. Additionally, members of the public who wish to provide testimony via a call-in or an internet-based service option must enter the virtual speaking queue within five minutes after the conclusion of in-person public testimony or before the virtual speaking queue is exhausted, whichever occurs first. This will allow for better meeting management between the two platforms and ensure the committee is able to manage and conduct city business. Council President. And if you are in person, please complete a speaker slip located at the entrance of chambers and place it in the box indicated at the speaker's lecture in the front of the room. Please do so in a timely manner to ensure proper meeting management. In-person testimony will conclude before virtual testimony begins. Members of the public can join the webinar by computer, tablet, or smartphone by accessing the link, which is listed online in the preamble language of the agenda on this city's webpage. Members of the public who wish to provide testimony via a call-in or an internet-based service option must enter the virtual speaking key within five minutes after the conclusion of in-person public testimony or before the virtual speaking queue is exhausted, whichever occurs first. If you're watching via City TB24 or online, there may be a delay. Please participate via the audio on your phone and mute your TV or computer when it is your turn to speak. And if you wish to speak on a particular item, please wait for that item to be called and then raise your hand by tapping the raise your hand icon. Or if you are a call-in participant, pr press star nine on your phone. If you raise your hand during a non-comment period, your hand will be lowered. Council President. Natalie, if you would please proceed with public comment on the minutes. Thank you. The public comment period for the past committee minutes of July 24th, 2024 is now open. And we have not received any speaker slips from individuals in chambers on the past committee minutes, but we do have two hands raised in the virtual queue. I will begin the five minute timer for all those to indicate that they wish to speak on the past committee minutes. The original, please begin your comments. You'll have one minute. Yeah, first I wanted to say the zoom time said 2100, which is 9 p.m. So I mean that could be confusing to some people if you want to make sure that that's correct next time so that they don't think it's going to be later on in the evening. Um and then on my comments, I was talking about public input and how important that is. Um, but what was written is saying that public comment reflects the council's actions, which is true. Um, but the reflect it's a reflection of the environment that the council has actually created um as far as you know dissenting opinions that come from the people and your uh many times unwillingness to want to hear from people if they are not um just kind of you know going along with whatever you guys are doing and you know, giving you accolades. Um, you know, it's important to have dissenting opinions, and you're supposed to make your decisions based on the public opinion because you're supposed to represent the people. And um, you know, when you do things like silence the people and you wonder why they get mad, again, that's a reflection of the environment that you have created. Thank you. Our next caller is iPhone. Yes, thank you. Uh, this is Lori Saldania calling. I didn't realize I need to update the software. Uh I was referring to the code of conduct that came before uh council at the previous meeting. Um it deals with many issues about communications by uh the code of conduct of appointees to boards and commissions. But one thing that was not mentioned, and it's a serious oversight, is how they interact with members of the public in person at meetings, but also on social media. We have seen increasingly very uncivil behavior coming from members of appointees that you have confirmed to boards and commissions, uh, including one person calling people who testify uh dad flows when they testify at public meetings. This is a person who chairs a subcommittee of another board. And here's testimony to the people, but apparently he is not holding high regard. So I would encourage this committee to review the code of conduct and make sure that it includes the behavior of appointments, members of the president. This does conclude your time. Thank you. And council president, this will conclude public comment on the past committee minutes. All right, thank you for that, Natalie. Uh, do we have a motion to approve the minutes?

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