If you could please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

And to the Republican.

Is it visible?

President Clay, I'd like to take roll.

Yes, please.

Commissioner Tekke?

Commissioner Scott is in route.

Commissioner Liang.

Here.

Commissioner Yi.

Here.

Commissioner Elias.

Here.

Vice President Benedicto.

Present.

President Clay, you have a quorum.

Thank you.

General public comment.

Line item one, general public comment.

At this time, the public is now welcome to address the Commission for up to two minutes on items that do not appear on the tonight's agenda but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the police commission.

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If you would like to make public comment, please approach the podium.

Good evening, police commission.

For the record, my name is Chris Hort Klein.

I also go by Sergeant Klein of the United States Marine Corps.

What I'm handing out is very concerning.

Over the weekend, I took some pictures of the Asian Art Museum in the San Francisco Maine Library, and that was during the festival, the Pistolhan Festival.

And this surveillance equipment should not be turned on.

And that means everybody at the festival had surveillance placed on their phone, which is illegal.

These are surveillance cameras that are used to control crowds, protests, violence, et cetera.

And they should not be turned on 24-7-365 and can cause mental health issues, violence, car accidents, health issues, overdoses, and suicides if used inappropriately.

I filed a report with the Department of Justice and the FBI, and I've informed the sheriff and the interim police chief.

Next week at the next at the meeting, I will give you that copy of the police report naming the three suspects.

And that report, there was not named a police officer or any senior officials within the police department.

However, this is police equipment, and it needs to be addressed immediately.

Previously, if you don't have a copy of this, I'll send it out to you as well.

And with this technology, you can reverse engineering and you can cause incidents.

So the National Guard was deployed to Washington, D.C., not because of the violence there.

The communication interface sits there.

And if you reverse engineer back to there, you can cause violence like shootings anywhere in the United States.

That is what the issue is, and it's happening here, people using this equipment, and it's a police commission issue.

Again, I will send you that report next week.

I'm giving the sheriff and the police interim chief one week to do their investigation.

Thank you.

That is the end of public comment.

Line item two.

Good afternoon.

Heather Rentschler, Ralph Anderson Associates, and I'm here with my associate, Chief Daniel Hahn.

I would like to cover three areas with you today.

The first would be the recruitment brochure.

Then I'd also like to speak on the timing and then also recap the community meetings and the other community survey input vehicles that we have.

So I'd like to first off thank the Commission for the amount of time and energy that they spent with both Chief Hahn and I giving us your input that was very important to us as we drafted the brochure.

So at this point, I'd like to mention as a reminder that we would like to launch the search beginning tomorrow.

So I would like to hear from you any edits or uh suggested changes so that we could produce those changes tomorrow in our office and actually officially open up the search.

It would stay open through September 8th.

So we're at a critical junction today to have the flyer approved so that we can begin our outreach, place ads, and commence the solicitation of candidates on your behalf.

So with that, um I'd be open to any comments on the brochure, any recommendations for changes or edits.

Ms.

Wensler, uh have you seen the edits that the city attorney uh in their review is uh recommending as it relates to the brochure.

I was given a copy of that just a few minutes ago.

And uh I've read through them and I'm in agreement with them with maybe a slight change.

And on the third paragraph, uh I'd like to maybe suggest that we uh remove the language that says in late October requiring a special meeting, because we have some scheduling conflicts with just availability of commissioners.

And that we perhaps consider based on some again timing constraints that we have the meeting for the recommendation of candidates to the mayor move to November 12th.

But these changes I'm fully uh ready to make those tomorrow and could certainly uh do that with no issue.

Well, uh first of all, I want to thank you all for your hard work on this project, you and the in Chief Hahn.

I mean, um in reviewing it itself, um it is very detailed, the search process, uh the information materials you provided to the San Francisco community, uh, with the many ways their voice can be heard as it relates to the process itself.

And when I say community, we're talking about the elected officials, the residents, uh business owners, as well as the employees here.

So it really has a breadth of uh areas of uh opportunities to be involved.

Um the materials to the candidates is very clear in terms of what there is necessary, what we expect as it is now, just as a general body.

Obviously, it's gonna be different.

Those are questions that are going to be asked when we get into the room when we do flush it out.

But this is a good base for their application.

So I want to thank you all for that hard work that you put in in this.

Okay.

Thank you.

Commissioner Benedicto?

Thank you very much.

Uh President Clay, I would like to also thank you uh for the tremendous work.

Uh just a couple of things at the uh request of the city attorney, and so it's clear for the members of the public.

I'm just gonna go through the the changes that we'll be incorporating.

And so at page two in the section, the governing structure in the second paragraph, the updated language will read the mayor appoints the chief of police from a list of candidates nominated by the city's seven-member police commission.

The chief of police reports jointly to the mayor and the commission.

At page four under the heading to apply, the first sentence will now read applications are confidential and will be handled accordingly throughout the various stages of the process.

And then that same section on page four in the third paragraph.

And here I'll also incorporate the change that Ms.

Rentler just said about the timing.

That update that updated sentence will read the police commission will select and forward the finalist candidates to Mayor Lurie no later than the regularly scheduled commission meeting on November 12th, 2025.

Is that consistent with the changes, Ms.

Ms.

Venice?

Yes, sir.

Yes.

And then to our deputy city attorney, is that consistent with the changes?

All right, perfect.

Is there any further discussion as it relates to that?

Could Commissioner Techie go ahead?

Okay.

Sorry.

Thank you very much for all your work and this putting the pamphlet together.

My questions are actually related to the process, so maybe I can hold off until then.

Okay.

Thanks.

I did want to ask my fellow commissioners.

I know we've been a number of us are attending the various community meetings.

I uh I didn't notice that there is not yet a commissioner that's uh indicated that they are available to attend the August 19th community meeting, and I want to know if any of us do that.

I won't be able to attend August 19th.

Okay.

That's the first of the public meetings that there's currently no one yet signed up.

Uh Noe Valley, I think.

Let me look.

One moment.

Uh Tuesday, August 19th of the Nowy Valley Branch Library.

Any chance any of us can attend that?

Let me see if I'm back.

Commissioner Tech, you might be able to Okay.

Any chance?

August the 19th?

Yeah.

That's next next Tuesday.

Next Tuesday.

Put me down for that.

Okay.

Sergeant, put me down.

Well, I'll I'll make that one too.

That's all I had.

Thank you.

Do we need a motion to adopt the recommendation from the our search firm as well as the changes in here?

Necessarily.

Yes, I think we do.

So I I will make a motion to uh approve the retirement brochure as presented by Ralph Anderson and associates and as amended here tonight.

If any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding the line item two motion, please approach the podium.

I can also please second.

All right.

And there's no public comment.

On the motion, Commissioner Techie, how do you vote?

Yes.

Commissioner Young is yes.

Commissioner Yi?

Yes.

Commissioner Yi is yes.

Commissioner Lyas?

Yes.

Commissioner Lyas is yes, Vice President Benedicto.

Yes, Vice President Benedict was yes, and President Clay.

Yes.

President Clay is yes, you have six yes.

Our next item.

Okay, thank you very much for that.

We'll get it posted and launched as of tomorrow.

So thank you.

I would like to address the recruitment schedule, which is also touching on the process, and hopefully that will solicit any questions you have.

So with the launch of the search, we will begin placing advertisements and doing our outreach to candidates.

And so that will also begin actually in the next day or two.

We'll have a commission memo that is prepared officially, and that will then be distributed through your normal channels.

And that will encourage people to participate and give their input.

So Chief Hahn and I will meet with you in closed session just to give you an update, a high level of the applicant pool.

And we will then begin our detailed review and produce resume binders that we will deliver to the commission office for secure keeping.

Those resume binders will be delivered by Monday, September 22nd.

And we'll be back to meet with you again, and we can answer any questions you might have at that point in time.

We will also on October 8th have recapped the information from the electronic surveys, the emails, and the community meetings.

So we'll be giving you that information.

Part of that will be done in open session.

And the items that are dealing with candidates' identity and their submitted material, that would be done in closed session.

So that's October 8th.

We would like to ask the commission to consider the dates that we've presented in this draft time frame for in-person interviews.

We've identified dates that the majority of the council are available.

And we're hold asking you to hold October 14th, October 16th, and also October 17th.

That allows us to try and spread those candidates out if we need to, or if we have conflicts with your schedule, we can land on a one day or two half days or a day and a half, depending how many candidates we opt to invite.

So we will be letting candidates know as we go through the process what the anticipated interview dates will be, because it's very condensed.

So we want to make sure we let them know they'll be notified, and we do expect them to be available to us during those stated dates.

And it would be for in-person interviews with you here at this location or ideally another location that can accommodate us.

So we'll be finalizing that information as we continue on.

We also would be meeting back with you in early November.

November 12th is the date that we're anticipating that we would come back to you for final determination of the candidates that you would forward to the mayor's office.

And so that's kind of the overview of the schedule.

And I'm certainly able to respond to any questions you you may have regarding the schedule or the process.

Well, first of all, I like the idea that you're giving us some date so we have something on calendar to the extent there may be need some flexibility because as we said, schedules may change.

Yes and that being built into the process, that's what's real important.

Right.

Well, we want to try and be as flexible as we can.

And so we'll be working with the commission staff to look at your calendars and to see what we can land on that is going to work.

We would like to have as many commissioners as possible, and we we do have some constraints that you must all be present for those interviews.

So have you identified, I know in this process in 2016 for confidentiality reasons, the interviews took place off-site and a location to provide confidentiality for the candidates going through the process, obviously without revealing what that would be.

Have you identified uh a partner that Ralph Anderson will work with to do something similar for this time around?

Yes, we have.

Great.

Thank you.

Commissioner Techie.

So I have a list of questions regarding the process.

So some might fit in this, some might not.

So I will ask.

So first and foremost, you said you advertise the job.

I just I'm just curious where would you advertise them?

Like I I do have a full list, and if you give me a moment, I'll get that list out for you.

Um so if you want to go through the balance of your questions.

The other the other one is like I know almost probably eight years ago, maybe we did the search and had uh Chief Scott.

So I wanted to know how many, I'm just curious as to what was the potential candidate at that time, just to get an idea, like how many people applied and what was how was the response?

Of course, in it in all these years, things might have changed.

But I don't remember the exact number at this point in time, but I can certainly provide that to you at our next meeting.

But I do believe we we had uh more of a robust response during that time period uh because of just what was happening in the world.

Uh but that would be something I I'd want to go back and check our records to see how many were in state, how many out of state, what did we have in terms of that that makes for some comparison, but I'll be happy to provide that.

The other thing I wanted to know regarding community meeting.

So I don't know what is the capacity.

Is it like 50 people, 100 people, 30 people, 20 people?

Um I'm sure each community meeting would be different capacity, but uh my question is how do the community get to know this?

And I have some suggestions, but what how would the community get to know?

And of course, if you have hundreds of people responding, which would be great, but you you have a limitation.

So how would you go about selecting who can get into those community meetings?

So do you have a system?

Probably you do have a system, I didn't hear, so we do have some facilities that are larger than others, but most of them, I think for the most part, are probably at 30 to 40.

Maybe there's one that might be as high as 50, but I think they're relatively limited in that regard.

And so that's part of the reason that we've also interjected the electronic survey.

If we find and through your role as a commissioner, if you're finding that there is an issue with size, uh then we will have to address it at that point in time.

But we will have to limit who comes in if the room capacity uh doesn't uh accommodate that.

Now looking back at the past records of what transpired uh in 2015-16, we did not have more than 25 or 30 people at any meeting.

Now we did have more of a significant response on the surveys, and there was hundreds of surveys respond.

And we find today a lot of people like to, in the privacy of their home, respond to the survey, and we've done it in such a way that it's not limiting just respond to this question.

We have put some open-ended boxes so they can do that, and also on the email, which is input dashpc at Ralphanderson.com.

We will take memos of multiple pages.

That will encourage someone uh to spend more time submitting the information.

Um the other question was some of the community meetings would require interpreters.

Yes.

So I I don't know if you're gonna ask uh prior or you would have like a standard, like you know, interpreters, like you would have like certain language, it would be a standard, it's a given that you would have that.

Yes, we we've been working with city staff on the translation that would be needed at various meetings, and we um have um a translation uh machine that is also going to be there that will be recording the uh material as well, but we do have notations as to what language would be needed at each site.

Now, as a commissioner, we would ask that you know, if if you are aware of something, please bring it to my attention, and we will try and accommodate if there's something that's not available, but we're we're staying within the city's uh languages that are provided on the city's website as their standard um span of languages.

Okay.

Um the other thing is uh what I've seen with surveys, electronic service, there are a lot of community members who probably will not be able to do electronic version.

So I think we have discussed that in our conversation.

Yes.

So you would you would accept handwritten if it is legible?

Yes, Chief Hahn will have every language, he'll have six languages with him, hard copies, and we will also have a member of DHR staff with us.

And if a can or a member of the public would like to complete a survey while they're at the meeting, he will collect those and we will manually input those into the survey system.

And he will assemble those and he'll have a box available so they'll just kind of go into a private cardboard box.

And so that will allow individuals on site to complete it.

If they would like to take it with them, then they do have an option.

We've put a mailing address on there for them to mail it in.

But we believe that filling it out on site will be easier for them rather than having to get an envelope and put a stamp on it.

Or we also have uh what we call kind of comment cards, a little postcard that will identify the location of all the survey links so that they can take that little uh item with them, and at their leisure, then they can fill that out.

And the surveys will be open for almost 30 days.

So that we'll close them on September 15th.

And at a future meeting that you have in the beginning of September, we'll ask you to reinforce uh welcoming those uh responses on the surveys and uh to remind them that we now have some uh meetings that will still be taking place later in September.

Okay.

The other thing was um how are you going to I didn't hear anything about how you're gonna reach to the command staff or the officers to get their input.

Are they is there any separate process for them or is it all included in this?

Um actually Chief Hahn has already met with the union and has solicited information uh through that process.

So uh that was the spokesperson that carried that information to Chief Hahn, so we have already completed that.

Okay.

The final suggestions that I had was basically maybe advertising it in uh I know every station probably has a newsletter.

I'm assuming that you're gonna advertise, not the position, the survey is open so people can do survey because the newsletter usually goes out to the community members, so maybe that would be one way, and I don't know if you know that there is every station has a community meeting where maybe the captain or whoever can advertise that they can do that.

Yes, we'll work through that.

And then there's CBAP, which is another vehicle to do the announcement of the surveys, basically.

Okay.

And I'll make sure I get that from you then.

Very good.

Now you did want to know the location of the uh advertisements.

If you give me just one moment, I I do have it electronically, I can read that to you.

Okay, we're talking about it.

These are the uh advertisements that are placed in either job boards or newsletters.

Some are hard copies, some are electronic, some have blasts, Northern California Asian Peace Officers Association, California Post, California Police Chiefs Association, International Association of Women Police, and they do a broadcast service, so they will push it out to their membership.

Uh International Association Chief of Police, National Association of Women Law Enforcement Executives, National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, that's often referred to as Noble.

They offer a free list serve.

So that will hit all of the major cities at that top executive level.

So I think that gives us a very broad scope and that is inclusive and should solicit interest in that regard.

And that being said, that does not, of course, limit candidates that are within the department or regionally from applying.

They would see that through the normal channels in California through dissemination with within the department, at the various stations, and of course uh just through knowledge of um what what is happening with the search process.

Thank you.

Okay, the the last thing is just the community meetings, and just a real quick recap.

Uh, when we did the search uh previously, uh we had five community meetings that were done, and we've increased that to eight now.

And so we believe we have a very strategic location for the community meetings.

And that coupled with the internet surveys in six languages and the email.

We think that that is a it in our opinion, that's a very strong presence for the commission to have through a process of this.

Now, Chief Hahn will be facilitating facilitating those meetings.

And I know each of you are scheduling through Sergeant Young Blue whether or not you can attend those meetings.

We welcome you to come and observe and to be part of listening to what the community says.

And I think it will really help inform you later on when you're meeting the candidates and doing the interviews.

And we uh again would encourage you to at least participate in one.

We we don't want to have too many of you at any one meeting.

And again, I'll be working with the city's communication team to push the uh information out.

And uh we will have the memo from the uh commission on letterhead that will be distributed that will summarize the meetings and all the additional input information.

That'll be finalized in the next day or two as well.

So Commissioner Loss.

Uh I think uh my question is what efforts um are being made to uh publicize the community meetings.

Uh I know that you uh uh talk a little bit about the publications and your efforts to publicize um the job announcement, but I think I'd like to hear more about what your efforts are going to be to get the community involved.

Yes, and that is where we'll be working with the city's communications team, and they have a standard list of information that's disseminated out to uh all of the various groups and stakeholders.

Uh as we met with each of you, um we were at various meetings given information about suggested groups that uh would be good to contact.

I have submitted that information to the city's communication team so that they can make sure that that those individuals or groups are in fact on their distribution list.

So that will be next on our list to deal with that.

So what is on the city's list?

You indicated I I haven't seen it yet, but uh they will be sharing that with me.

And I welcome each of you as a commissioner to while this process is ongoing.

If you have community groups, stakeholder groups that you want either myself or Chief Han to personally invite to participate as a uh community member at one of these events, or to encourage their group, their membership to fill out the surveys.

We'll we'll certainly do that.

So we're open to continually receiving that information from you.

When will you obtain the city's list?

Because I guess the reason I'm asking is that I don't want to duplicate work, right?

Because it would be helpful for us to understand.

I have a meeting with them tomorrow.

Okay.

So will you let us know who's on the list so that we can because if we're gonna be we don't want to give you the same people, but we also want to magnify and amplify to get again the community involved and aware.

Yeah, I I don't know whether or not they'll let me disseminate that list broadly, and I you know I'll have to see what their requirements are, but certainly if you have names of groups, I I can certainly contact you and have the list in front of me and we can go through that.

I just don't know what their rules will be in terms for uh my disseminating and having access to that full list.

So I was asked to submit any groups to them and they would make sure those groups are on the list so we can push it out.

And is that the only that list is the only um efforts that will be made to advertise the community engagement piece of this?

We we would like to uh kind of use US commissioners also as ambassadors to to help us to do that, and and we're willing to make those phone calls and uh make sure that we have those specifics directly with individuals.

So we want to be uh as inclusive as we can, but we need your help to make sure that if you have a list of five or ten or twenty people or you have a list you want to share with us, then Chief Hahn and I will go through that list to make sure that it's um what about the police department?

What about the police department?

Did you ask the police department um for their contacts?

And will they be also amplifying this on their social media?

Yes.

They have a wider following.

Yes, yes.

And also uh we'll be putting all of the links to the surveys on the commission's website as well.

Okay.

So that that concludes my presentation on those three areas.

So uh we do have a lot of work to do over the next few weeks, and it's uh again going to be running on different tracks, but I I do want to um thank you all for your input and your guidance.

And uh we're beginning our journey and we'll go through this whole process together.

And thank you.

Commissioner Yee.

Uh thank you very much, Sir President uh Clay.

If we get a large substantial, I guess a group of communities that have been felt left out or unable to attend these events.

Um looking at probably in uh I guess inner sunset and probably up in Goting Gate Heights and part of Sunset too.

Uh I don't see uh uh I I guess uh outreach to them.

I know they will come back to me, and that's uh uh can we maybe I guess if it's a large substantial group of people that cannot make these events, can we look at adding additional uh outreach to them?

Well, I would say at this point our our scope was expanded from five to eight, but we've tried to put options in this process for those who cannot attend, or if there is a large segment of a neighborhood or a community or a uh just special interest group that the surveys can handle a mass of input.

And we also with the email can take a letter on behalf of that group that would be a a voice directly back to the commission, and we will be compiling that and sharing that with you.

Okay, that's all I have to say.

Thank you very much, sir.

Thank you.

Commissioner Benedict.

Thank you, President Clay.

Uh Commissioner Yee, to your question, I just want to repeat something that I had said uh in July and spoken to other commissioners on, which is that the meetings that Ralph Anderson are facilitating are are very helpful, but they're not the only uh if there are groups that that uh you know you I know that you're a leader in the community, we're all leaders in the community.

You should meet with them.

I I'm I'm I've already arranged personally some meetings with some groups.

I I've reached out to Commissioner Scott, to Commissioner Techie to former commissioners.

So I'm gonna be all uh, you know, if you want to let uh Commission staff know they can send it out and say, oh, by the way, Commissioner Ye is having a forum with six companies, having a forum with you know CC uh BA and like and then as long as we don't break quorum, these additional informal meetings are something we can all do.

Like we we should treat these Ralph Anderson meetings as uh I think the floor of our community uh interaction and not the ceiling.

To Commissioner Techie's point, I uh I have sent an email to the district station captains.

I intend to go to the CPABs and to go to line up to hear from officers.

So uh I urge all of us to uh do our own outreach just because Ralph Anderson can't add a meeting, does it mean you can't go to a meeting or hold the meeting?

So thank you very much uh I'll come to any meeting that you that you're fine to just make sure we don't have a uh Brown Act involved.

Of course.

Um I'm just saying when I looked at the uh the map where you came out from the first one, it was five.

And I pointed out the West side, you did not have it into Richmond, you didn't have it in the sunset, you didn't have it up on uh I guess uh Goringate Heights.

So I felt uh the West Side was a little under served, and that's why I'm speaking now.

I'm uh and I'm on the West.

I'm glad they're coming out to the Richmond district.

Beautiful uh district.

Please come out there.

Uh live out there.

So uh but there's also I I guess our affiliates at Sunset, which is this further down south from us.

So uh that's where 60 percent are Asian.

And I don't see you there.

And I'm just a voice for them.

I just want to see if we can advocate a meeting for them.

Uh you know, Commissioner Bear and community, but you know, hopefully, you know, we get there and I'm working on putting it together for you, uh Vice President Um Benedict.

I'll be there.

Commissioner Scott.

Thank you.

Surveys.

Is there a way to get them, you know, like to uh the NAACP, um organizations around the uh city.

Um you know, we have a lot of seniors and elders that definitely want to participate.

They may not be able to attend those meetings that we have.

So uh we do we have some preparation to reach those individuals regarding the safe survey and and and and other matters regarding selecting this out of our chief.

Commissioner Scott, I'd be happy to work with you on the exact groups that you're uh speaking to.

Some of them are on the list that we submitted to the city.

I know we have a faith-based group that has a collective of 50 um different groups to get together uh as well as NAACP, but we will uh provide um a master of the hard copy, or if appropriate, we can make sure that we give you some hard copies that you can distribute or get to the um individual that is representing that group.

So if you elevate uh those to us, but I will tell you that the NAACP and the faith-based groups are on the city's distribution list.

And so once I meet with them, and again I have access to that, I can see how detailed it is, how deep it's going, and if we can uh you know push it out further and frequently to round people up.

Thanks.

And I like to recommend um uh Reverend Michael Papas of the Internet of the uh uh SF NFA Council, San Francisco NFA Council, which covers a multitude of things.

I think it's on the list.

I think Commissioner Scott, you gave us that.

So thank you.

So just remember this is not all inclusive.

I think Commissioner Yi, your your statement about not being touched to other areas here in the city.

We are advocates.

We are we get to go out and do that.

If they can't do it all, we're responsible at the end of the day to bringing this information to fruition to get these names.

So you whatever you need, anybody needs to support, contact each other on this commission.

We can go out and do that.

We can do that.

Thank you very much, sir, President.

I'll follow your leave.

No, no, thank you.

No.

I'm gonna make three of these community meetings now.

I just got signed up for the one that Benedict said there's no one going, so I'm gonna go, so I'll be there.

So but any of that.

Go ahead.

Okay.

Um I think uh that concludes my presentation.

Is there any other questions that need to be answered at this point?

There will be other questions, but maybe not tonight.

All right.

Okay, well, thank you again.

And I know it's an important journey that we're on, and we're glad to be part of it with you.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for your service.

Appreciate it.

All right.

Sergeant.

If any member of the public would like to make public comment regarding line item two, please approach the podium.

And there is no public comment.

Line item three, adjournment.

That's it.

That's it.

Oh, thank you.

I was panicking because my interfaith council is a great idea.

Interfaith council, I've worked with Michael Populas.

I think we should.