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Shoreline Planning Commission Public Hearing - November 2, 2023

Planning CommissionThursday, November 2, 2023
BodyShoreline, Washington
SessionPlanning Commission
DateThursday, November 2, 2023
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:08

Recording in progress.

0:11

Good evening.

0:12

I'd like to call to order the Shoreline Planning Commission public hearing for a Thursday, November 2nd, 2023.

0:20

Our first item is roll call.

0:22

Ms.

0:22

Hoaxma, will you call roll?

0:26

Commissioner Brenson.

0:29

Here.

0:30

Commissioner Galusca.

0:32

Present.

0:33

Commissioner Callahan.

0:35

Here.

0:36

Commissioner Lynn.

0:37

Here.

0:39

Chair Sager?

0:40

Here.

0:41

And Commissioner Mosier and Vice Chair Wamachon Jay are absent with notice.

0:48

Great.

0:49

Thank you.

0:50

Next, we have approval of the agenda.

0:52

Does anybody wish to make any changes to the agenda?

0:56

Great.

0:58

Approval of the minutes from October 19th.

1:01

Does anybody have any changes to those?

1:04

Great, those are approved.

1:07

That brings us to general public comment.

1:10

Ms.

1:10

Hoaxma, do we have anybody signed up for general public comment tonight?

1:14

Yes, I do.

1:16

I have Josh Friedman.

1:21

Josh, go ahead.

1:22

Please state your city of residence and your name.

1:26

Thank you.

1:30

Hi there.

1:31

My name is Josh Friedman and I live in Seattle.

1:35

I'm an attorney at the Hills Clark Law Firm, and I represent Black Brant LLC, which owns the site on Fifth Avenue Northeastern Shoreline that is commonly known as the Metro Access Site.

1:48

My client is a joint venture between two Alaska native corporations.

1:52

This joint venture manages real estate investments on behalf of 50,000 indigenous shareholder members, including children, elderly, and the infirm.

2:19

In addition to that, economic interest, my client has been proud to support the Metro Access Program's transit services to Shorelines disabled community members.

2:29

We did not receive notice of the opportunity to comment at your October 19th work session, so we wanted to speak up today and clarify some critical things that were not mentioned.

2:41

First, we wanted to inform you that the city's position on what it is now calling fleet bases is controversial.

2:48

We do not agree that these draft regulations would apply to the operations on our site, which were legally permitted and have operated under those valid permits for 10 years.

3:08

We believe the city's actions are harmful to the shoreline community as well.

3:27

We have appealed that order because we do not believe the city's position is correct.

3:32

Metro has also appealed that order because it does not have an alternative site from which to run the program.

3:39

Metro has written that the city's course of action here, and I quote, has placed thousands of Metro riders in shoreline and its vicinity in jeopardy of limited, reduced, or no services.

3:54

Unquote.

4:01

But on behalf of the tribal partnership that owns this site and is proud to support transit services for the disabled community in Shoreline and beyond, I implore the commission to make sure it is getting the whole story before supporting the city's draft code changes.

4:17

Please make sure you understand the real risk of this proposal disrupting critical transit services for folks with disabilities, hurting the local drivers who provide those services, and hurting tribal members.

4:31

We look forward to speaking with you further at the November 15th hearing.

4:38

Thank you.

4:51

Okay.

4:52

Thank you.

4:53

That brings us to our public hearing for tonight.

5:00

Tonight's public hearing is regarding the ground floor commercial development code amendments.

5:03

The purpose for the hearing is to obtain public testimony and for the commission to develop a recommendation to forward to city council on this topic.

5:13

Comments are limited to three minutes per person testifying or five minutes for someone representing the official position of an agency or city recognized organization.

5:24

When the clerk calls your name for either in-person or remote comment, please state your name and city of residence for the record before you begin.

5:32

The process for the public hearing is as follows.

5:35

The city staff will present pardon me.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Land Use Planning█████████████████████████████████████████████60%
Public Engagement█████████████17%
Procedural████████████16%
Affordable Housing███4%
Transportation Safety██2%
Parks and Recreation1%
Summary of Proceedings

Shoreline Planning Commission Public Hearing - November 2, 2023

The Shoreline Planning Commission held a public hearing on Thursday, November 2, 2023, at 3:00 PM UTC to consider proposed ground floor commercial development code amendments. The commission also heard general public comment and took action on the staff recommendation.

Consent Calendar

  • Approved the agenda and the minutes from the October 19, 2023 meeting without changes.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Josh Friedman (attorney representing Black Brant LLC, a joint venture of two Alaska native corporations owning the Metro Access site on Fifth Avenue NE) gave general public comment. He stated that the city's position on fleet bases is controversial and that the draft regulations would not apply to their legally permitted and operating site. He noted that both his client and Metro have appealed the city's order, and quoted Metro's statement that the city's course of action "has placed thousands of Metro riders in Shoreline and its vicinity in jeopardy of limited, reduced, or no services." He urged the commission to understand the full context before supporting the code changes, which could disrupt transit services for people with disabilities and harm tribal members.
  • Bob Gregg (Edmonds resident with 40 years of experience in multifamily and mixed-use development) testified during the public hearing on the code amendments. He expressed support for ground floor commercial generally, citing his successful projects, but raised a specific concern about the MUR70 zone north of 145th Street. He noted that 40 of 45 lots there are 60 feet wide, and the proposed 60% commercial facade requirement (on non-primary streets) would not leave room for required drive aisles and commercial space on single lots. He requested that the 60% requirement be limited to building facades of at least 100 feet (rather than the lot frontage) to allow development on 60-foot-wide single lots without requiring lot assembly. He emphasized the need for certainty in the code rather than relying on administrative design review flexibility, which can be unpredictable.

Discussion Items

  • Staff (Nate Dom, Economic Development Program Manager, and another staff member) presented the proposed Ground Floor Commercial Development Code Amendments. Key proposals included: expanding primary commercial corridors to all arterial street types (including collector arterials), changing terminology from "commercial" to "non-residential" to be more inclusive, removing parking requirements for non-residential uses, maintaining height bonuses (5 ft for commercial, 10 ft for restaurant, 20 ft for grocery), and setting design standards (60% facade transparency on principal/minor/collector arterials, 45% on other streets; 75% of ground floor abutting primary streets required to be commercial space; minimum depth of 15 ft with 30 ft average; ceiling height reduced from 18 ft to 15 ft). Staff recommended forwarding the amendments as drafted to city council.
  • During deliberation, Commissioner Callahan asked staff about flexibility for the narrow lot situation raised by Bob Gregg. Staff responded that administrative design review can grant departures based on site constraints, offering some flexibility. Bob Gregg interjected that he would prefer the flexibility be codified to provide certainty before investing hundreds of thousands in design. Commissioner Lynn noted that the pre-application meeting also allows applicants to seek flexibility. The commission ultimately did not propose any changes to the draft code.

Key Outcomes

  • Motion to recommend approval: Commissioner Lynn moved that the Planning Commission issue a recommendation to City Council to approve the proposed Ground Floor Commercial Development Code Amendments as written in Attachment A of the staff report dated November 2, 2023, and forward that recommendation to Council. Commissioner Callahan seconded.
  • Vote: All present commissioners voted in favor: Commissioner Galuska (Aye), Commissioner Brenson (Aye), Commissioner Callahan (Aye), Chair Sager (Aye), and Commissioner Lynn (Aye). Commissioner Mosier and Vice Chair Wamachon Jay were absent.
  • Next steps: The recommendation will go to City Council on November 20, 2023, with potential action on December 11, 2023. The interim regulations expire December 13, 2023. Staff also agreed to provide a brief update on the Fur Crest project at the next meeting (either as part of the director's report or a separate presentation).

Meeting Transcript

Recording in progress. Good evening. I'd like to call to order the Shoreline Planning Commission public hearing for a Thursday, November 2nd, 2023. Our first item is roll call. Ms. Hoaxma, will you call roll? Commissioner Brenson. Here. Commissioner Galusca. Present. Commissioner Callahan. Here. Commissioner Lynn. Here. Chair Sager? Here. And Commissioner Mosier and Vice Chair Wamachon Jay are absent with notice. Great. Thank you. Next, we have approval of the agenda. Does anybody wish to make any changes to the agenda? Great. Approval of the minutes from October 19th. Does anybody have any changes to those? Great, those are approved. That brings us to general public comment. Ms. Hoaxma, do we have anybody signed up for general public comment tonight? Yes, I do. I have Josh Friedman. Josh, go ahead. Please state your city of residence and your name. Thank you. Hi there. My name is Josh Friedman and I live in Seattle. I'm an attorney at the Hills Clark Law Firm, and I represent Black Brant LLC, which owns the site on Fifth Avenue Northeastern Shoreline that is commonly known as the Metro Access Site. My client is a joint venture between two Alaska native corporations. This joint venture manages real estate investments on behalf of 50,000 indigenous shareholder members, including children, elderly, and the infirm. In addition to that, economic interest, my client has been proud to support the Metro Access Program's transit services to Shorelines disabled community members. We did not receive notice of the opportunity to comment at your October 19th work session, so we wanted to speak up today and clarify some critical things that were not mentioned. First, we wanted to inform you that the city's position on what it is now calling fleet bases is controversial. We do not agree that these draft regulations would apply to the operations on our site, which were legally permitted and have operated under those valid permits for 10 years. We believe the city's actions are harmful to the shoreline community as well. We have appealed that order because we do not believe the city's position is correct. Metro has also appealed that order because it does not have an alternative site from which to run the program. Metro has written that the city's course of action here, and I quote, has placed thousands of Metro riders in shoreline and its vicinity in jeopardy of limited, reduced, or no services. Unquote. But on behalf of the tribal partnership that owns this site and is proud to support transit services for the disabled community in Shoreline and beyond, I implore the commission to make sure it is getting the whole story before supporting the city's draft code changes. Please make sure you understand the real risk of this proposal disrupting critical transit services for folks with disabilities, hurting the local drivers who provide those services, and hurting tribal members. We look forward to speaking with you further at the November 15th hearing.

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