Times and things like that.

And so I've dealt with those those things as well.

And a lot of it is just like, let's flag it and fix it.

You know, sometimes that doesn't help you in your immediate issue, but once you identify it, easy enough to say, okay, this is an issue, this is outdated.

We need an ordinance to propose a change, and you all need to vote on what you want that change to look like if everybody agrees that it's outdated.

What to do when it's outdated and you have something pending right in front of you, I think that's really sort of case specify it's context specific.

You know, it really would depend on what the issue was that you were dealing with, where you had an outdated code provision.

But my overall answer is you need to fix your code.

You need to get an ordinance out there that that would enable you to get with the times.

Okay.

Thank you.

So I'm gonna ask the easiest question and the hardest question you've ever been asked, all in the same one.

And if you've been to newly elected officials training, you've undoubtedly heard the varying opinions and the strong opinions on this one.

Do you take minutes in executive session and why or why not?

And then what is your personal stance on it and how would you advise this assembly?

So I don't take any minutes.

I don't, I don't usually uh, but that's also not my role as the attorney.

I don't take minutes, it's not not my uh not my role.

We we we record our executive sessions, um, and then what we do with those recordings and who has access to them, and you know that that also is a well that's that's not tricky.

That's they've made that decision and and that's set, but um, in terms of taking minutes and who's available to them.

I I don't do it.

I I haven't done it, but we also have recordings.

So um, and those recordings are locked, and only certain people have access to them.

And if we needed to get minutes to to create minutes for a very specific um uh instance, they could do it.

Um so I guess minutes and or recordings or or you know, does anything come out of executive session?

And and what would be your your stance on advising this assembly how to move forward.

Um tip typically uh after the executive session, there's some response about, you know, we met in executive session, and here's the the snippet of you know what we discussed and what the outcome is, or or we came out of executive session, and then you go into a vote so that the vote and maybe some of the deliber deliberations then could be could be public.

Um but it in the municipality that I work for, they did record them and had very specific provisions on what what happened to those recordings and where they went and and who had access to them.

And so my personal feelings is well, I I mean, I guess I could envision a time when I would say, uh, you're really gonna want something.

It depends on if um, you know, you were getting I mean, the things that I go into executive session for, it's it's a lot of this is attorney client privileged stuff, and I don't think there needs to be a it's not like somebody could uh I guess somebody could waive the privilege, but that's certainly not what I would advise.

Um so yeah, I'm I'm I'm accustomed to working in a in a municipality where we do record, but it's my preference to not.

Understood, thank you.

Uh hello again.

So um school funding.

Uh, I don't know how familiar you are with all the ins and outs of this wonderful BSA conversation that keeps being had.

I understand Fairbanks has been struggling with it.

We have as well, and we do fund to the cap.

And you know, the cap um, if you're as you're familiar with it, I think the question is um we all got a letter from the State Department of Education saying be very careful about what goes in and outside the cap.

What is your familiarity with school um cap, I guess, legalities, law how yeah, this is uh been a struggle.

They had a special election on Tuesday to try to raise the tax cap with the hope of getting the ability to um raise 10 more million dollars to give to our schools because the Fairbanks School District is struggling with this exact BSA issue that many school districts across Alaska are are are faced with the election failed, so that um borough is unable to increase its tax cap to try to give more funding to the schools, and it's a difficult situation about trying to figure out how to fund the schools in a sustainable way.

Um, you know, it there's ways to move money around and things, but it's none of that is gives the stability and the consistency that the schools are looking for.

Um and then there's also this issue of well, this should really happen and it at the legislature and it shouldn't be up to the local municipalities to get the schools where they need to be or where the schools are saying they need to be.

Um so I'm I guess your question is what's my familiarity with it?

I I'm pretty familiar with it because it's really been such a big issue here in Fairbanks, and I also have school-aged children uh that are in uh Fairbanks public schools, and so it's also an important issue to me because it directly affects, you know, not only my kids, but also the the children of all the rest of the their friends, their peers, you know, and everybody else in the schools.

Thank you.

I didn't have any more questions, but what Chris brought up the risk deal.

Um, I can't wait for you to get here and defend the city keeping the sidewalk closed on Catleyan and try to explain to me and my constituents how that risk factor weighs out with buses going by, fuel trucks, grammas with baby carriages going by everybody right out of bottleneck, and it's going on four years now.

It's kind of like uh a big zit on the tail at two cities for sitka.

Uh JJ, again, um uh extrapolating on kind of land use, um, your experience with land use law with zoting, litigation permits, that's great.

Um let's talk a bit about leases.

Um, this city uh in Borough Zika holds a lot of land and to get it in use, um, we lease quite a bit.

Uh we have a gravel pit that we lease, other things, tide lands leases, all sorts of fun stuff like that.

Um you talk a bit about your real property agreements understanding and just your lease experience.

Sure.

Well, I advise the boroughs, they they they they changed the name of it.

I think it ended up being the Department of Natural Resources is the name, yeah.

I think that's what that they switch it to.

Um and they're the ones that are in charge of dealing with borough land, and um I advised them so they for the first time they started doing financing so that um more people could take advantage of using the the land, and so you know, I I was pretty involved in that process and then the subsequent process of what happens when the person doesn't pay and and the legal action that that then would need to ensue when somebody is leasing borough land and not um meeting their obligations in their either financing agreement or even if it wasn't borough financed if it was owner finance or if it was financed, you know, traditionally from a bank, you know, if there was some kind of default getting involved and you know how or how do you handle it?

Um so I've reviewed a lot of leases, I've been through uh a number of these processes where you know, even if it's the these like eviction kind of things or um having to then take the take the lead like take ownership of the property back and get it back out into public hands, and there's um so I guess I've reviewed the actual leases, but then I've also been uh uh sort of an advisor on the day-to-day what do I do?

Like this where this the what how do we avoid having to deal with an eviction?