Wonderful.

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Hello, everybody.

This is Councilor Willie Burnley Jr.

Uh Chair of the License of the Permits Committee meeting for our regular December meeting of 2025.

And pursuant to chapter two of the acts of 2025, this meeting of a city council committee will be conducted via remote participation.

We will post an audio recording, audio video recording, transcript, or other comprehensive record of these pursuits as soon as possible after the meeting of the city of Centerville website and local cable access government channels.

Clerk, can you please call the role to establish quorum?

Mrs.

Roll Call, Counselor Davis.

Here Councilor Klingon.

Present.

Councilor Burnley.

Present.

With three counselors present, we have a quorum.

Great.

And we have a short agenda in front of us with uh meeting minutes to take up and three grants of location, I believe.

Uh and just for everyone's awareness, we have already had public hearings on all of these items.

Uh so we will not be entering a public hearing, but I do plan to sponsor members of the public and representatives of the applications to speak to uh concerns that have come up.

Uh but before that, Clerk, can we take up the minutes?

Absolutely.

Item number one is approval of the minutes of the licenses and permits committee meeting of November 12th, 2025.

On that item, Counselor Davis.

Yes.

Counselor Klingon.

Yes.

Counselor Brunley.

Yes.

With all counselors in favor, that item is approved.

Great.

And I saw no discussion on the item.

Sweet clear.

All right.

We're going to take this in order.

Um so first we have a granted location from Comcast.

Uh trying to install 49 feet of conduit in Houghton Street.

Uh to a pickup at 121 Prospect.

I know that there has been uh members of the public who've been meaning to speak to this item, but first I'd like to hear from Comcast.

If a representative from Comcast is here, can you please uh press the raised hand?

Thank you, and then introduce yourself.

Uh and why explain why this uh pickup is needed, and particularly uh why on Houghton when it's going to prospect.

And you unmute.

Okay, sorry about that.

Um Dave for Walling, Comcast, Nine Forbes Road, Wuben, Massachusetts.

Um would like to speak in favor of the Comcast petition to place 49 feet of conduit for the purpose of providing the Comcast service, the number 121 Prospect Street.

Um we're coming off of a utility poll on Houghton Street.

That is the closest point to the building, and therefore that's why we're proposing to excavate on Houghton Street.

Thank you.

And I know there is at least one member of the public here who's wants to speak to this, uh, Miss White.

Uh, but before I uh let her jump in with these concerns, I just want to ask the basic question.

Um would this be possible to do from prospect?

And if so, would that create any issues from Comcast side?

It'd be more there'd be more excavation work uh to come in from Prospect Street.

All right.

Uh with that context, uh yes, Counselor Davis.

Counselor, you are muted.

Sorry, thank you very much, Mr.

Chair.

Uh if I if you don't mind, I I'd love through you to Mr.

Flower, just to ask for a little uh to expand that a bit because it it appears that the power is currently coming into that lot on Prospect Street.

There appears to be a poll on that lot.

Um so maybe I'm I was in don't have any expertise in this area if I could just sort of understand a little further, like why you know what's the reason for rating it the way it is rather than where it appears to already be power coming in to the poll.

Well, we may not have anything closer than on Prospect Street.

The closest entry point for us would be Houghton Street.

That's why we chose that location to limit the amount of excavation work that would need to be done to bring that line into the building.

We always try to find the shortest amount of underground to provide service to the building uh that makes the most sense to cut down on excavation work and and um you know to be able to bring the service to the customer sooner rather than having to excavate you know hundreds of feet of um trenching to put a pipe in to bring the service to a customer.

So the closest entry point is on Houghton Street for us.

I mean, it may be difference for you know the power company, um, but for us it's Houghton Street.

Mr.

Chair, if I may follow up.

Yes.

Thank you.

Um okay, so and I I apologize right.

I was saying power and I'm and this of course is is uh is cable.

So um I am I correct understanding then that there's the the current cable lines that run on prospect uh and the the pole that is literally on this property doesn't contain um that there's no there's no cable there.

If there was, we would be service from that pathway, but there currently isn't.

That's why it this pathway was chosen.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

No problem.

Uh and I do note that there is a member of the public here who'd uh like to raise concerns.

Uh so if uh clerk could unmute uh Miss White to speak, and this white if you'd like to be Mrs.

White, I'm not entirely sure.

Uh would like to make your concerns clear.

Uh that we may address them.

Okay, can you hear me?

We can.

Can you please introduce yourself and uh your relationship to the application?

Uh my name is Lisa White.

I go my Ms.

Ms.

White, and I live on Four Houghton Street, and the pole is in front of uh my front door.

And I guess I'm speaking for the homeowner doesn't have capability.

My name is Mary Moreno.

Uh Mr.

Flewelling.

Uh I'm sure that you Comcast is used to these things being flagged right away.

Pole in front of my house has so many loose wires that have just been cut and left.

And our objection to you digging a trench on Houghton Street is that our street has been dug up, I I can't even count how many times, probably 25 times in the last 10 years.

There's a 36-inch gas main that runs the length of Houghton Street.

Um this building is called 121 Prospect Street.

And we have been subjected for the last two years, endless hassles with the construction of this property.

Um Eversource just repaved our street in October.

And if you dig it up again, um we're gonna have problems with water flow to the uh catch basins at the end of the street.

And um, you know, we would just rather you connect it on prospect.

And how do the people on Prospect Street get their Comcast if there's no conduit for it?

Well, there's conduit on Prospect Street, but it's not in close proximity for us to be able to provide service to that building.

Um I know that uh I understand the concerns with the paving on the street, and I know there's been multiple um companies that have done work out there, but the street has not been paved curb to curb by the city.

It's been um uh individual projects, some of them city projects to do repair work and stuff, but there the street is not on the moratorium list, therefore, you know, preventing any additional uh utility work from paving on the street.

If there was, there would be a five-year moratorium on the street, and therefore we wouldn't be able to provide service to this customer for five years without you know extensively trenching on Prospect Street to bring the service.

Our excavation is only 49 feet from the pole to the building, so the impact is is very minimum and shouldn't affect any flooding or anything along that line.

It's a it's basically a direct path from one side of the street to the other.

Yes, I understand that it's directly in front of my house.

So what I'd like to know is if you're going to be providing service for 32 units in a space that had a car lot before, what does that mean on the pole?

Because like I said, that is one messy pole.

If I ever finished my work leaving all that kind of dangling wire, I would probably be fired.

But what's it gonna look like?

Are we gonna have a huge transformer box to provide that?

What is it look like?

Oh, it's one four-inch conduit that basically comes up from the base of the pole, it goes up and attaches to the Comcast line.

It's a three-quarter-inch cable that is in that four-inch pipe, and then it connects to the existing Comcast plant.

Um, as far as the cables that are on that pole, um, you know, we're aerial on that pole currently, and so is Verizon and RCN and you know, Eversource, but you know, I don't know exactly, you know, what would need to be looked at from all the different utilities to clean up those lines, but that's certainly you know something we can look at, but we would also need to include the other utilities to identify what cables need to be cleaned up and removed.

Well, I could tell you from personal experience having had Comcast here also more times than I can count because of our terrible service that most of the stuff hanging off of there is from Comcast because I have watched them put it up.

In any case, what I want to know is how long is how long will the street be closed?

Do you know I hope you understand how much heavy equipment is already present at this location?

There's no parking here.

You'll be closing the street.

What's your timeline for doing it?

And how deep do you go that you avoid that 36-inch gas main?

Because every time somebody digs up our street, something goes wrong with the gas line.

So our line is typically two feet to the top of the pipe.

The street will be open at all times.

We will only excavate a portion of the road at a time.

Um, and it'll be open to um all traffic at all times, including emergency vehicles.

Um, and it will be done in one day.

And it'll be repaved in one day.

We will put the temporary patch in on one day, correct.

Well, you know, I mean, I can't fight City Hall, you know.

I I understand, I just don't understand why it has to be on Houghton Street.

I I don't really understand how people on Prospect Street are getting service, and it's impossible for you for a building that's on Prospect Street to provide service off a prospect.

But I'm just defending our patch here, you know.

Understand.

Understood.

All right.

Um seems like we had a cordial uh and lively conversation there.

Um given what we heard.

I mean, uh a single day it seems.

I mean, it's a quite it's quite a surprising uh timeline, uh say so myself.

Um I would just ask a few things.

One to uh the representative from Comcast, uh Mr.

Can you pronounce your name again just so I can get it right?

Yes, it's fluelling.

Fluelling.

Mr.

Flewell.

Um this trench is gonna be dug up, is this gonna impact the sidewalks at all?

Very minimum.

Okay.

It would it impact them to the point that uh additional space would be needed for people to traverse the sidewalks.

Yes.

Well, part of our traffic plan would be include the the sidewalk if we need to divert traffic on a temporary basis.

But again, it'll be very minimum.

Um again, I mean, we're in the winter moratorium now.

So if this petition is approved, I mean the work probably probably would not start until you know on or about April 15th after the moratorium um was lifted, unless we, you know, this was approved and engineering would issue us a permit, you know, this time of year, but that would all hinge on engineering and you know, it may go into the spring.

All right.

Let's hold for a second.

Uh I see counselor Davis, but before Counselor Davis, uh, I do want to just give uh Miss White one more chance to to speak to this.

Uh and I will say again for the public's uh knowledge.

This is typically not how this uh committee runs, but I very much want to make sure that community voices are heard in this space uh that their issues are addressed as much as can be possibly done within our capacity as counselors.

Um Ms.

White, if you have any final concerns or statements to make or questions.

Um, first of all, I appreciate that you have given me time to speak to this issue.

Um our sidewalks just got redone this fall.

Like, are you gonna be digging up the sidewalk?

The rise of the utility pole is close proximity to the curb line.

So it'll be basically it'll be just coming from the street to the poll.

So the impact of the sidewalk should be minimal.

And if we do have to do any work for the sidewalk, part of the permit would be we would have to replace that panel.

Okay, with concrete, not with absolutely yes.

It may be a temporary, maybe a temporary patch with the asphalt, but we would be responsible for returning to replace that sidewalk in kind with concrete.

Okay.

Well, thank you, Mr.

Flewelling for all your answers.

And I'll just say I'm gonna hold you to that single day.

Absolutely.

And I hope that um as the abutter, the primary abutter, that we will be notified about when you're actually doing this.

So yep, no problem.

And I'll actually do you one better.

I will actually have someone come out and take a look at that poll and see what we can do to kind of clean up any Comcast uh wires on the poll.

That would be great.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, committee, for allowing me to speak.

Yep.

Okay.

Wonderful.

And before again, once before I go to Counselor Davis, uh Mr.

Floiling, uh, if you or your uh whoever is going to be going out, uh would be interested in uh passing your number to me or to the clerk, we can make sure that Miss White gets it so that this communication could be expedited.

Um not a requirement of this uh permit, but uh just want to again facilitate as much communication as possible here.

Uh counselor Davis.

Yeah, thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Um and I just want to say I appreciate the uh the spirit of you know cooperation collaboration, both from um uh you know, from our residents and from the our representatives from Comcast.

Um through you too, Mr.

Flying.

Uh just a related question here, and I think you know it sounds like we have a reasonable path forward, um, but might also be relevant.

I it is the is there Comcast service currently to this parcel.

No.

No, if there was, then again, we wouldn't be you know requesting a grant the location to get service to the building.

Okay.

Um I see now maybe I'm seeing because it looks like on um I'm looking at photos, it looks like there actually might be some wires running across, but maybe those are internal to their parking lot lights.

So it's hard to see for the pictures.

I was just gonna ask if there are currently lines going from that pole over across to the building, um, which would then presumably need to be removed.

But in this case, maybe that's not the case if you don't have service there.

So I will um uh nothing nothing further on us.

Thank you, Ms.

Chair, um, for facilitating this discussion.

I appreciate it.

My pleasure, my duty.

Um, if there's nothing else for my colleagues and no other members of the public on this particular item, um I'd be I hesitate to condition it to a single day, uh, just because don't want to get too gung-o about that.

Um so I will motion to approve the grant allocation uh as is um and if for any reason uh this uh the process is not up to the standards that have been discussed in this meeting.

Uh and if we're if this extends far beyond a single day um in April, uh the next council could return back to this uh permit to discuss further action.

Okay.

Any so we have motion on table.

Any discussion on the motion seeing none.

Clerk can call the roll on this one.

Was that my my audio?

Are you hearing me?

Uh clerk, I was speaking to you if that's what you said, but you sound very far away or and or very small.

So interesting.

There we go.

Come back.

Okay, okay.

On the item, counselor Davis.

Yes.

Counselor Klingon.

Yes.

Counselor Burnley.

Aye.

With all counselors in favor, that item is recommended for approval.

Thank you.

No problem.

And I'll note uh for the record, even though they're Mr.

Floiling did note appropriately that this item won't be acted upon until uh April.

Uh, please do not act on any of these permits until you have them in hand.

Okay.

But can you read the next item?

Item three is a grentification from EverSource to install a total of 48 feet of conduit in Vernon Street from utility poll 152 over nine to a point of pickup at 70 Vernon Street.

All right.

So again, we have some members of the public here to speak to this and representatives from in this case EverSource.

I see Jackie Duffy there.

We will unmute you.

And I will also just note that this is electricity for uh, I believe a new building that is uh supposed to go up.

Uh Claire, can you unmute uh Miss Duffy and can you speak again to this item?

Hey, hey, good evening, Jackie Duffy.

Uh this isn't to install 48 feet of conduit in Vernon Street to supply electric service to 70 Vernon Street.

Yes.

Um we've we've heard some concerns from direct abutters uh to this parcel um around the how much space uh this will take up within their their lot um the property line.

I I want to open it up to uh Mr.

Barbosa uh to speak to those concerns and see if there is a way that we can either find some kind of compromise to find some kind of compromise.

Uh Clerk, can you unmute Mr.

Barbosa?

And if you can introduce yourself, Mr.

Barbosa and explain your connection to this item and what your concerns are.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate your time.

My name is Tyler Barbosa.

I'm my grandson of Maria Vicente and the child of Alina Vassanti.

They're both here present with me at all right now.

We understand that Eversource required a grant of location, but prior in drainway to February, when our new neighbors arrived, we told them physically in person that no, we would not like you to proceed into our property.

And at first, they understood.

We exchanged emails saying, can you please communicate us further if any other problems arise?

They then ignored us.

The second time around, communicating later in the summer, they insisted that the property was theirs.

It's not.

My grandma has worked under leg countlessly for days to earn this meeting.

It's causing emotional turmoil for them to feed upon our property and using a grant of location as a fear tactic to enforce.

There's enough space on the front of their home and the back of their home to create the electricity necessary for their condo.

The condo had already had electricity connected to it.

I can see currently by them doing this, they're going to be causing emotional damage by destroying my grandfather's property.

He has passed away.

These plants will never come back if destroyed.

Secondly, the physical damage that will be created after we just currently repaired a large part of our yard.

It's not acceptable.

And then third, to require us to financially repair the damage after they're done construction.

No, this seems completely unfair and seems to be an attack on elderly and individuals that are privacy immigrants.

I personally feel that you can find another method of approach to create electricity necessary for this condo.

My only concern is that they have consistently tried to enforce that they will be taking this property.

And I believe you that my grandmother has worked too hard for her to lose this property.

So some people would just want to create a condo to make some extra time.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Barbosa.

Uh, if you could temporarily mute yourself just so we don't have too much uh reverb.

Um Jackie Duffy.

Um would there would it be possible to supply energy to this property um without impinging upon uh any abutting properties right now?

I'm not showing that we're gonna be on 74th property.

The handhold is going to be set on two feet of the customer's property, but it seems like from what I'm listening to that they've had disagreements about the property prior to us trying to get electricity in here.

Yes, that is my impression as well.

Mr.

Barbosa, would you like to substantiate that?

And if if you have a sense of where this line could pick up from that would not impinge on the property, uh I do apologize for interrupting me, but yes, we communicated with them prior to it because they wanted to proceed further into my grandma's property, even though there's a complete cement line, and a full entire fence that blocks it immediately.

Our neighbors prior to the property as well.

And we have proof of documents that is ours.

They've been constantly trying to scare the neighbors on the other side as well, saying that, oh no, this is ours.

You're not losing anything.

But it's continued to impede by using scare tactics.

Dr.

We have said no twice.

Um, I'm gonna go for the chia.

Have you have you um got the property?

Uh I can't even think it's a word in this awful property line.

Yeah, have you got the property line like had it?

Um my god, what is wrong with my brain today?

Happens to the best of us, uh I know I can't even think of it assessed.

You know what I mean?

Like what's your property?

Thank you.

My brain is gone today.

Just to make sure that what is your property, because this sounds like it's gonna be a legal matter.

I mean, they're trying to get electricity, but we're not showing that we're gonna be on your property, but I don't know if you want to get a lawyer or have it surveyed.

I don't know what you want to do.

I apologize for interrupting you, but I even have a video recording that I'm willing to send to the counselors where they were trying to say they were taking one of our property.

Well, they would what I'm sorry.

I because we had an interaction with them where I reported where they were trying to show us where the property line is and we continue.

Um Mr.

Barbosa, just briefly, I do want to keep separate the ever source matter, which is uh Miss Duffy is just a representative of Ever Source and is uh trying to do her job to make sure that I can't think excuse me, Mr.

Barbosa, please.

Um let's separate out uh the the issues with the neighbor uh and see if there is a way that we can condition this uh permit so that uh we can legally require that this is not cross onto um your property or your family's property uh while still having this electricity supplied.

Um do you think uh through me to you, Mr.

Barbosa.

Um if we conditioned this uh permit in such a way that it was required that it did not cross onto your property's line, um, would that be satisfactory to you and your family?

Um like to third.

Um the thing is is that uh I understand the tactics that they're using, and I understand about the 48 feet uh conjugate.

The thing is we don't want anything in our property because that particular space already has electrical, that particular space has front and back.

Uh so nothing is falling into my mother's property.

My mother has documents of what belongs to her, and when she bought the property, everything was done.

So these people, when they first came, they stated that the neighbor gave them three feet and that they're gonna take three cents from us.

And I said, No, you're not.

And then I said I have documents.

When I showed him documents, he came back.

Where are they gonna do their work at?

So nothing past that fence into our yard, whatsoever.

Yes, I um and I will say that this is uh Miss Alina um speaking.

Again, if we condition the permit so that it is required legally to not cross onto your property's line, that is what we're discussing.

Um they should not be in our property whatsoever.

Whatsoever.

What so thank you so much?

And just to add on to that, the thing is the neighbors have enough space in their front and back to do this.

This is just them enforcing because a grant of location after completed, Mr.

Barbosa, please pause.

Um again, again, I we are separating out no, this has nothing to do with the neighbor.

It's just the fact that a grain of location, once it's done, it gives the right of that property to the person that they're creating the person.

Unless that grant of location is conditioned, which is what we're discussing.

So just to be clear, um, and please uh mute so that we do not have the reverb.

A condition is a rule, a that says you can do this as long as you don't do X, Y, and Z.

Um before I I pass it on to Counselor Davis uh to ask a question or give a comment.

I want to uh ask uh Miss Duffy if you believe that it would be possible to supply uh this power strictly on 70 Vernons without crossing over into anyone else's lot.

I'm not showing that we're going on anyone else's lot from the plan, it's showing it's going right into 70.

Correct.

But let me let me ask this question a different way.

How much space are you expecting to take up to deliver this power on 70s property?

Yes.

I'm not sure how much space we're going to get, but we're not going on 74s at all.

I mean, you can make it a record, you can do it as a recommendation that we don't go near 74s, but you're telling us we can't do the work till April anyhow, correct?

Correct.

So I mean we can go back and revisit this if we can't like if this is going to be a major concern for the customer and the neighbors.

But right now I'm showing that we are not anywhere near 74th property.

And no damage, it's going to be on 74th property.

Okay.

Counselor Davis.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I I mean, I I think we've hit on the points I was gonna make, but you know, based on the plan that's before us, it doesn't there doesn't appear to be any crossing of um of property line into 74.

It appears to go straight from the poll um down the uh uh down the road a bit and then directly across into 70.

Um I'm unclear as to where there is a dispute as it relates to this uh graduate location.

Certainly it sounds like there may be a private property dispute um between the two uh uh you know landowners, but that isn't that isn't before the the the council, and and frankly, you know, it isn't subject to any of our authority.

Um so I have I would have no objection to including a condition that I just so there's no there's no question that uh the you know the the uh the condo would be run um without you know uh crossing into any other um abutting properties um as uh Ms.

Duffy has already said is is in fact the plan, anyways.

Um but beyond that, it's it's really not clear to me what where there's a uh a question here.

I understand, as I said, sounds like there's some other conversations that aren't related to this greater location, but there's really nothing that the council can do.

Um the item before us appears to not in any way impede upon the the abiding properties.

Okay.

Um I have a sense of what uh Mr.

Barboso may be about to say, um, but I I'm gonna give a final comment, uh question potentially uh to Mr.

Barbosa.

Um, and then we will the council will deliberate upon uh next steps, Mr.

Barbo.

Oh, sorry, I didn't know what was the authors.

Um if it's possible, can we see the documentation of like where they're going to be something in the email us or email where exactly they're making the supply or this construction because it seems like there's not an error being made somewhere, and I want to make sure it's absolutely so there we have written documentation, um, but in terms of hammer sources own uh project schematics.

Um Ms.

Duffy, oh there we go.

So this is what we're looking at.

This would be thank you, zooming out there's partridge, there's a poll.

Okay.

And this line right here, it's close to property.

So uh Ms.

Duffy as you can see this gets fairly close to the uh the property line.

Are we sure that we can do that without touching on crossing that line or touching onto it?

Or is there a way to move it just ever so slightly?

So that's a little bit further out.

Um I could find out if we can move it a little farther out, but I will put it in as one of the stipulations that we do not go anywhere near 74.

All right.

So with that, uh I would like to make a motion uh to condition this grant of location uh to ensure motion to ensure that I don't know how precisely this language has to be.

Uh to ensure that this grant of location does not cross onto any abutting properties, and that the and separately that the property lines are assessed prior to uh installation this any discussion on the matter.

Okay, but Mr.

Chair, yes, uh the clerk, please.

Mr.

Chair, my question is um who is responsible for doing that assessing of property lines?

I it may be helpful to specify that.

Ah yes.

Let's say Eversource in com in communication with the uh applicants and their neighbors.

That would not be Eversource's um responsibility.

Okay, it would have to show us what the is their property.

Okay, uh Miss Duffy.

Do you would it be acceptable for your team to meet with uh let's just say the Barbosa's uh to ensure that their property line is respected?

Sure.

Great.

Uh so that so for the second stipulation that ever source communicate with the budding properties um prior to the installation.

And I hear writing uh to my colleagues, um any discussion on the motions.

Seeing none, clerk, can you uh call role on that motion?

Yes, indeed, Mr.

Chair.

Would you prefer to take them up separately or together?

I'd prefer together.

Okay, on the condition that the conduit not cross into any abutting properties and the condition that ever source meet with the abutters prior to the installation to ensure the property line boundary is enforced.

Counselor Davis.

Yes.

Counselor Klingon.

Yes, Councilor Burnley.

Aye.

With three counselors in favor, those conditions are approved.

Okay.

Now just again for uh just set expectations for the public.

That was a vote on those conditions.

So now the item before us is still up before us, but it is required that ever source meet with abutters prior to any installation to ensure that we're we're on the same all on the same page about where the property lines are, um, and that it they do not cross onto anyone else's property.

Um with that, I think that we've done our due diligence here and that we have done what we can within the confines of the power of the council uh to meet everyone's needs.

Uh and I'm certainly open to a motion to approve this.

Um if my colleagues are would like to I'm gonna put that motion forward and seeing no discussion.

Um can we get a roll call?

On the motion to approve as conditions, counselor Davis.

Yes, councillor Klingon.

Yes, counselor Burnley.

Aye.

With three counselors in favor, that item will be recommended for approval as conditioned.

Okay, everyone.

So again, this can't be acted upon until the license is in hand, and given that we're moving into winter, uh, won't be acted upon until I believe April.

Um that seems like plenty of time uh for property line issue to be discussed and worked out prior to any installations.

Great.

And with that, uh we have one more item that involves Eversource.

Uh Claire, can you read the final item?

Item number four is a granted location from Eversource to install a total of 38 feet of conduit in Warwick Street from utility poll 357 over three to a point of pickup at 16 Warwick Streets.

Wonderful.

And again, this is another item that we already have the public hearing for.

There were some questions about this item, and as a frequent visitor to Warwick Street, I know that this is a property that has set vacant for a bit, at least a year, if not more.

Um, and that there have been many questions on Warwick about the future of the site.

Uh I I just wanna note for the public's uh information that there has been issued uh a permit for an accessory dwelling unit in the backyard.

Um and perhaps uh Miss Duffy can correct me.

I believe that this is a pickup for that uh future unit.

Uh yes, it is.

Yes, it is.

And the reason why um it is on here now, I we have Matt Penny on.

Um he is questioning the rises on the poll.

I believe he is on here to speak because the poll is in front of his house.

All right.

Uh correct Mr.

Penny is here.

Clerk, if you could unmute Mr.

Penny and Ms.

Green, if you can introduce yourself, uh say your your connection to this application and uh just briefly uh give any give voice to any concerns or questions you have.

Yes, I'm Matthew Penny.

I live at 19 Warwick Street.

I was uh an uh asked to attend last city council meeting to address this issue, and was told that I could, but I couldn't because I wasn't allowed in by the police.

So when I was allowed in, they had already taken the motion up.

That's fine.

I'm glad that you had the committee meeting to handle the questions that weren't available to be answered that day.

Unfortunately, I haven't had those questions answered.

I've reached out to Eversource.

I did talk to Jackie Duffy about nine days ago, and she's still we talked again today, but this is all on my initiative to try to get this solved.

Uh I still don't have the answers.

Mr.

Penny, can you state your questions uh for the public so we can try to address them?

Okay.

I don't know what there's already three conduits on that.

There's two empty conduits on the poll, as it is.

I don't understand if they are going to use those empty conduits for the power, or are they gonna try to add more conduits?

The project across the street 10 years ago required those three conduits.

They only use one.

There's no need for additional conduits on a poll if they're not unneeded.

Um I'm gonna put that in the form of a through the chair uh and ask Jackie Duffy.

Uh do you have any insights into that or can speak?

I have I have sent numerous um emails to the division.

I'm waiting to hear back if we are going to be using the two spears or if we're putting a new one in.

I don't know.

I have not gotten an answer.

Matt and I have been on the phone more than um like to say, Matt, it was nice meeting you, but uh we I do not have an answer as of right now for Matt.

And if there were to be additional conduits added to this poll, uh what would the works the scale of work there look like?

Right now there's three coin the three rises on the poll.

You Cambridge only allows four.

I'm not too sure what uh assemble's limit is for rises, but we are going to look into seeing if we can use the one of the two spares that are on the poll.

I'm waiting to get an answer back from the division.

Um Mr.

Penny, um, I understand that you have some questions still about whether these conduits are going to be used.

Um, and those questions are not unfortunately going to be answered today in this meeting.

Um but given what you've heard that they that there seems to be an interest in prioritizing the use of that con those conduits.

Uh do you have any concerns with this uh grant of location being approved?

Yes, because I was told by EverSource today by Trish that those two other conduits they're not they're not uh intending to use because they're other utility conduits, which drives another question is why are if there how many conduits are they looking to put up?

The last project across the street put up why would this project only need one?

And again, uh why can't they use the the ones that aren't being used?

It it the whole thing doesn't make sense, and I've been trying to make sense of it with EverSource, but to no avail.

Can do the Chia, can we table this until um we can get it resolved with the division?

Certainly.

I mean, um we're uh I don't think Matt would have a problem with that.

I'm sorry for interrupting, but I don't think Matt would have a problem with it.

We can't do anything until April anyhow.

So I'm just saying so we can solve everything and everyone can be happy.

I mean, uh colleagues, are you any concerns on your part about uh keep being this?

This would mean keeping it in committee, which would mean it needs to be put uh resubmitted, but hey, you know, if this isn't gonna be acted upon for the several, I'm not several months, a handful of months.

Uh I I certainly see no issue with that.

Counselor Davis.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

Um and uh I so I have no objection to certainly no objection to um you know uh holding off until we have all the information.

Seems like a uh you know um uh smart way to go forward, particularly given that the work there's no rush to start the work.

Um and I'll throw you to the clerk just to correct me if I'm wrong, but because this item was referred to committee for an action, I believe it will remain in the committee, but uh maybe I'm wrong about that.

But if uh if I could uh ask the clerk for confirmation just so we know you know what they um what the necessary administrative steps will be to uh make sure we can take this one up once we um once we get more information clerk wells, uh did you catch that?

Yes, thank you through the chair uh to counselor Davis.

That is correct.

The item will not need to be resubmitted, it can remain in committee awaiting an action.

Wonderful.

Uh counselor Klingon.

Yeah, I'm in agreement with everybody.

I think it's important that we uh get the president's questions answered.

And so uh happy to support keeping in committee.

And um as you know, somebody who will be on a committee, you know, following this, I'm not sure.

I'll still be on this committee, but um, but yeah, I think this is the right direction for this item.

Licenses and permits, the people's committee.

Um happy to hear it.

Um with that, uh I'll move.

Well, I guess I don't need to move to keep this in committee.

We'll just keep this one in committee.

Uh and Mr.

Penny, would you like uh a final word on the item?

Thank you.

I'd like to thank the committee for taking it up.

And I'd also like to say I don't have any issue with them cutting the street.

Uh and I hope that the conduit issue can be resolved.

I don't want to in any way slow down the project or uh have any objection to it.

It's just that I think it's uh it could be the the poll issue, I think can be resolved.

And um it's just needs a little more time.

And I thank you for your time.

Deliberative bodies, that's what democracy is all about.

That's what I say.

Anyway, with that, uh I see a motion to adjourn uh from Councillor Davis.

The item has been voted on uh singularly, so we have no other items to vote on.

Uh any discussion on that motion.

Saying not, Clerk, can you call the room?

On adjournment, Counselor Davis.

Yes.

Counselor Klingon.

Yes, Councilor Burnley.

Aye.

With all counselors in favor, this committee is adjourned.

All right, everybody, see you tomorrow.