It's 6 33.

The 28th of January.

This is the appointments committee.

And uh call this meeting to uh order.

We have a quorum.

Uh we have uh representative Hyatt, Representative Hill, Representative Wangbury, uh Co-Chair Uh Gardner, uh Representative Caparelli, I'm sorry.

Uh and uh Representative Walson has joined us.

So as President Shaw.

Uh oh, as oh, and President Shaw, yes.

So uh anyway, I'd like to welcome everybody.

This is uh our our first uh meetings uh gathering together as a group uh and and doing our actual business.

So I just like to acknowledge that uh all of our applicants are just like us, uh volunteers, and uh they volunteer their time, and uh they're doing that in pursuit of stuff that uh reflects both their personal interest and their civic mindedness.

So for that we thank everybody, and uh let's please get started with uh item number A32-003, Stanford Golf Authority.

Uh Mr.

Rapigno.

You're welcome.

Uh does anybody have any questions for Mr.

Pegasus?

I can start.

Okay.

Now uh this is for the Stanford Golf Authority.

Yes, this is primarily uh for Sterling.

Yeah, I I've been currently on the board at E Gainer Brennan, but I've been stepping aside, so I get I really want to be on Sterling Farms because I worked there when I was a kid.

I grew up there, um, worked there for six, seven years.

Started off at a cart barn, up to cashier, up the starter.

I still know people that uh work there, like golf there.

I I love the place.

You reported to Kenny, yeah, the Andrea.

So yeah.

Yeah, I actually was working there before Kenny was working.

Yes, I predate Kenny.

You look good for your age.

Thank you.

Well, I'm only 15, but I was there as a teenager in high school and college.

But I I love the place.

I love golf.

And I always say it would be great if I could like start off working there as a teenager, come back and be in a position to make actual decisions on the golf course.

I thought that would be awesome.

Well, it's well, in a perfect world.

Where would you start with that?

An improvement to this early.

Um in the perfect world.

And the perfect world, I mean, the course itself is beautiful.

I mean, it's always been the better of the two.

I mean, I sat uh on e-Gayner Brendan's board, and I see there's challenges there, money-wise.

Um, and I mean, there's just aesthetics, stuff you can make just look better, cleaner.

Um, I think getting tea times, um what we use uh as software, um, I think needs to be improved drastically.

I think um getting tea times is what everybody complains about, just a website.

It looks dated, it feels dated when you use it.

Um I know there's a cost behind running it with everything, um, but I think we need to kind of modernize a little bit when it comes to that because the course itself is beautiful.

Well, the biggest complaint you get amongst the golfers all the time is getting tea time.

Yeah, I mean it doesn't feel like that, it doesn't feel like that system has been updated.

No, it's not since they haven't.

It's a computerized uh exactly one.

It's the same one, and I don't know, like I'm not I'm not a computer person, right?

Um, but I know there's there's uh I've been to other golf courses, like many other quirks, and you can see what they use, just a lot user-friendly.

And you know, I mean, for and with City Stanford, you know, people here have money, they expect quality uh software when they go to pick their teeth times at a golf course.

We only have two, and it's the software I know is for both the courses, so yeah, but I mean that's my first improvement.

The course is you go always improve the courses, but that that'll be that's fluid.

That always changes depending on what happens on a particular hole when it comes to weather and this and that.

Um, but just uh you know, using and and getting the times has always been the hardest thing when it comes to golf in Stanford, and and just you know, modernizing it to try to go to maybe cash only.

I know at EGainer Brennan, they're having huge issues with um getting like uh I think it's it apple cash or something like that.

Yeah, and a lot of a lot of the younger kids, they don't carry cash, and they don't have a credit card, they have their phone, right?

And e-gaters so antiquated, they don't even have the option for the kids to use their phone in hey.

Right.

I mean, it's just stuff like that.

I mean, like I said, I'm not a tech wizard, but you know, we should if you want to get the younger generation playing more, you gotta kind of meet them with their you know their their toys.

Not have Pete count out of you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I used to be the cashier there, and it was scary on a weekends, the amount of cash, because it was cash only before they went to credit card.

The amount of cash I would count and have to put in the say I was petrified.

I'm like, if anybody knew the amount of cash that went through here on a weekend, thank God nothing ever happened, but yeah, there's a lot of money goes through there, and I think we can modernize the way you know it it gets dealt with.

That would be my first major approval.

Mr.

Um I've I've tried to get T times before selling has a little couple, definitely why I play Brennan 5G5 years.

How would you um deal with the I think that's a demand and supply issue at stuff?

Yeah, which is a it's a very popular excellent course, well met well managed.

How would you deal with that?

And uh what do you have any plans for outside of the software?

Um sure, yes.

Well, I I mean when it comes to well, you play golf, obviously.

You know, with golf, there's only there's only a limited amount of time you could allow for players on the door to the time.

Of course.

Um it's hard to increase play because as you increase play, you know what happens.

You slow down the whole system and it takes forever to play.

But when you go out of course, it should be taking four hours to play, and you're pushing around five hours.

That's a long day.

Um, and I know um, like you said, it's hard to get on, but what can you actually do?

I don't know.

I I mean last thing you want to do is make it more expensive, then you're gonna push out people that don't have the money, but less people would play, but that's not what you want to do.

You want more, you know, you it's it's a municipal golf course, you want everybody to play.

Um, maybe limit it to the amount of out-of-towners that could play.

Um, so people in town have preference.

Something you can look at, but I know also the city likes the outtowners because they make a lot more money out of the out town.

And that money goes back into the course, which makes it so nice.

So that's something that you have to get a lot of people thinking about how do you do it.

Um, I really don't have the answer for that.

Okay.

Because it's like saying somebody really likes it.

How do you tell people not to go?

I mean, people love golf.

It's the problem.

And we had and Sterling is one of the best municipal courses around here.

So you do have a lot of out-of-towners coming to play because they see it's such it's it's highly rated in the in the new England area, which it's like you gotta create your own problems by being so good.

Now I know I was sat on the board at E-Gate of Brennan.

I love E Gate and Brennan because it's a great little course, it's not as nice.

You don't have those problems there because it's not as nice.

You don't have many people fighting to play there.

So unless you want the course to not be as nice.

Yeah, I've not uh first of all, yeah, but most important.

Um years of dedicated service to uh the public center.

Oh, thank you.

Thank you, I'm actually working upstairs right now.

I'm assigned a dispatch right now.

Oh yeah, I'm gonna go say hi.

Um, this is Representative Weathers.

Hi, Candace.

Yep, we hear you.

I am trying to join virtually, but the link is not working in the agenda.

Okay.

Uh maybe Andrew, you can you can message uh Candace on the side and we can sort this out.

Um so um you've searched it at you know on the board of Brandon.

Yeah.

Um not for long.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what have you what have you learned from that experience that will that you'll be able to apply here at?

Um, I know you have to have patience.

I know uh it's it's the public, it's not the private sector.

Um things take time.

And I know like one of the issues with how you pay the play.

It's not something you could just say, oh, let's do this and we'll get it changed.

And then when you agree on it, and then you have to put it out to bid, and then it has to be like I know with e-gets, what they use there is just added on to what we use in the rest of the city.

So it's not like um it's being the software they use there for payments, it's not just for that.

It's something that whatever's being used in the city, okay.

We'll have it um used for EGA to Brennan, which doesn't really make it efficient because it's not basically set up just for golf.

Um, so I know process is slower, and like I guess I've never done anything for government uh volunteered on anything, and I just know it's a little bit slow process, a little bit more frustrating at times because people keep coming up to you and like why isn't that fiction?

Why is it that fiction?

Why is it and it's because we have to, and we have to work with certain contractors who have to have to bid, we have to like you know, this person has to look at and only that person is allowed to um look at the trees because you deal.

I think it's me personally just trying to get the lay of land first, like how everything works, and then understanding it's it's it's you can't snap your fingers to get anything done, and being able to relay that to the to the taxpayer when they were like, why can't you just fix that polls?

That's a bit in the uh in the fair way.

Well, it's part of the sprinkler system, and we're getting bids to fix this uh sprinkler system.

We still haven't gotten approval for it, so it's you know, understanding that there is uh a little bit of time in getting things done.

Whereas when I was in the private sector, just go buy a new one, you know, just get it fixed.

So good.

Okay, that's helpful.

One one just one more question.

Yeah, what we I was really glad to hear you talk about um you distinguish between a public course and yeah, the responsibilities versus the private course.

And I wonder if you could elaborate on other things that you see are the responsibilities that public course has to the private course might be.

Well, the private course, I mean their country clubs, people there obviously they get to pick basically who they want in their clubs, which is kind of crazy.

Um municipalities you have to cater to everybody.

Uh you know, handicapped kids, uh senior, young, and uh one thing I always had an idea what one of my friends I work in the fire department was he used to work there a long time.

There's a certain area by storing farms by the tennis courts there, and he said there's big space there.

There's nothing big park down and they practice shipping.

Like it would be great to get kids started early and just build a little mini golf course there, a little mini golf course, get the kids going in there young, and and then just keep them and they can move right up into the golf course.

So, but I know that would create big problems because there isn't much parking there.

Now you have all these kids going playing video golf, and you know, yeah, you're looking at a parking issue because you can have the theater there, we have other things there, as you guys know.

That's not like makes it so great, the restaurant.

Um, but I mean, price.

You don't want to make it too expensive, and that's what makes it beautiful because you have a break-off course, it's not that expensive to play, honestly.

It's not I've been to other municipal courses in other towns, and they're not as nice.

And you're and they're you know, you see what the resident rates there are, and you're like, they're paying that much for this course.

I mean, ours is so much nicer.

So to keep the prices reasonable, it I think is great because you get people to, you know, you're getting people they're getting to bang for their buck, which everybody loves.

Well, as you would say earlier, that creates the problem of it's not that expensive, so we're gonna play.

So it's kind of like how do you balance that?

How do you keep it price right?

But you know you're gonna get a lot of play at that price point.

So it's it's tough, and I see why they always have issues.

Uh representative Caprelli.

Uh, thank you for recognizing me, Chair.

Um, first of all, thank you for all the service that you give to the city and for stepping up to um to have this job, and it is a job.

Um coming from the private sector, I can assure you you'll be frustrated if you get the job.

I was just wondering how the software that you were talking about would help improve or speed up tea times.

I don't think it would actually, it's not gonna speed up tea time, it's gonna make the process of getting a tea time um like user-friendly.

Um right now, I think you have to put in your permit and you have to have a credit card, and a lot of times it bounces you out and you don't get the time you want it, and you and it's just it's just not user-friendly with all the different apps out there that are just you know straightforward.

It's it's very dated.

Like I said, I I just I don't even think the pictures on the website haven't even been updated since the course was you know, they created the uh the yeah, it helped drastically, but it's just it has to be updated for both courses, and I know the city uses one company um for both golf courses, and it it drastically has to be improved.

And I know that's one thing uh at the meetings with E Gay and Brendan.

We were talking a lot about how it has to be upgraded.

Well, I know the city doesn't like to do things unless both courses are involved.

So I haven't sat on any Sterling's board to know if they were discussing that, but that would be my first thing I would want to attack is just the website and getting tea time.

And and is that a money issue?

Is that why it's antiquated at this point?

I think it does have something to do with with money, yeah.

Um with like anything else, you get better software.

It's I I would assume the companies that provide the better software want more money, and I know the company they use right now, um, is kind of dated.

It's like what they offer us isn't something that's like really like the more modernized version of it.

It's kind of using like I don't know, Windows 93, it's still worth it.

But there's stuff that's better.

Okay, so it's uh so you don't know if it's a matter of that the city doesn't want to spend the money at the end of the day.

Yeah, I haven't I know at EGainer Brennan when we first started discussing uh about making changes there, it was like the last couple meetings we had, and again, I only sat on that board for a year, so I don't know from there, we just started discussing it.

And I know they were always saying, Well, we have to meet up with the the uh the guys on the Sterling board because we always have to do things together.

So we have to see if they're discussing it, if they want are willing to do it because we know we want to make the change.

Gotcha.

And then you were talking about you know how to balance um the price that we charge for it versus like the amount of people that want to um you know golf at our our course.

Do you have ideas on that on what you would do?

Like I said, the only thing I could say without pricing out the Stanford resident, is just ask the non-resident.

Um uh charge them more and maybe limit their times they could play.

Um again, but who ultimately decides on that?

It's like, do you want the money or do you want the the ability for your uh residents to get times?

And it's kind of like you have to find a balance.

You want to make the money so you can provide the nice golf course, but you also don't want to get your taxpayers frustrated because they can't get tea times because all the out-of-town residents book at all the good times, right?

And you're paying more for that same time.

Yeah, I mean, it's the same exact golf course, nothing's different.

It's just one person is a resident and one person isn't, so they have to pay more.

Yeah, they're getting exactly the same service.

Well, thank you so much for the for those answers.

Um and I thank you, Chair.

I yield my time.

Uh thank you.

Thank you, Gabriel.

Does anybody else have any uh questions for uh Mr.

Biggie?

Well, thank you, sir.

Thanks so much for coming.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

It's Mr.

Beer.

You're probably right about you maybe should move the meeting now this way.

Okay.

Thank you for joining us.

Sure.

Good night.

Good night.

Uh thank you.

Rookie chair here.

Okay.

Um had an occasion.

This is Jerry.

Yes.

This is Jim.

Oh, I'm sorry, uh, I'm sorry, I have to introduce this.

Uh uh, this is uh this is A32-004, the zoning board of appeals.

Uh Mr.

Venzinkin.

Is that correct?

Alan, by the way.

Alan, most people get that one wrong.

Um I I spent some time with a gentleman who recently retired from the zoning board of appeals in Bridgeport.

Okay.

And uh it was right at the beginning of my candidacy over the summer, and it was also during a period of controversy regarding the uh 2035 uh comprehensive plan that uh the city was putting together.

And so I was kind of curious uh from this gentleman's perspective, you know, what what it was like to be on the zoning board or the zoning board of appeals.

And and and he had an interesting comment.

He said uh most people don't know much about zoning, which makes it a very easy uh matter to demagogue.

So uh I was wondering if you might be able to comment on that.

Well, uh interesting about uh the comment about demagogue, because uh I think my primary reason uh for joining uh pretend attempting to join this board uh is to just I I truly believe government should be uh be most of more efficient and responsive to uh to the constituents and uh this particular this particular board.

If you're uh if you're looking for a variance or something like that, no one wants things stuck in red tape and no decisions and stuff like that.

So um I'm a pretty logical person.

I can I um you know I have a technology background.

Uh I think I can uh sort complex problems out pretty well.

Um business.

So I thought this would be a good thing that like most important to me is I'm not interested in in speaking at in any way.

Uh but mostly resolved in order for uh for the people of the city.

So that's the way I would look at it.

And this is now your second term.

Uh no, I'm just losing.

This is your first time.

Yeah, yeah.

First time I'm applying for the board.

Which is good for listening learning.

Oh, okay.

Welcome.

Uh, yeah, have you had an opportunity to read anything about three zoning?

Uh I did read the master plan and I did uh I did go through the whole zoning uh uh guidelines or whatever they called.

Uh it was a while ago to be honest, because I put my candidcy in, it was uh about a year ago.

So I probably should refresh it, but I did read the whole thing and I found it pretty interesting.

I didn't think it's I didn't find anything that was hard to understand.

Um, and I understood um the role of the zoning board of appeals, especially.

So I'm pretty comfortable with all that.

And I guess the point I was trying to make it when zoning originated.

Yeah.

Uh the class system in the back.

Ah and uh I'm not condemning it, but I do think that it should not really written.

I think there's an opportunity to do something to help other people or to improve the city.

But we should not be rigidly uh locked for the zoning uh rules of a man sent.

Sure.

Well, it seems to me the zoning board of repeals is where you can appeal those rules more than more than anything else.

So that seems to be the case.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Do you said it's good to be more I was Ms.

Venzen, you got a really incredible CD, and I think an exceptional CD.

Um and I think on this board on the zoning board of appeals, you're gonna be faced with no doubt extremely difficult decisions, which have very you know strong merits on both both sides of the table.

Um how would you say from the world of the business and your your career, what special skills are you gonna bring which will allow you to make balance and fan decisions in a case when it may be very very close.

Uh well, I I guess my uh my back I my I studied physics and I had a master's degree in physics, and so I have again I'm a very uh logical thinker in terms of facts and and and so forth.

And I actually did listen to a couple of uh uh of uh meetings and there's a lot of measurements and metrics and all that, which I'm totally comfortable with.

Um so I think on that side of it, I'm perfectly good or very good with data and understanding data.

And uh on that side I think I'm fine.

Um, I I also understand interests in different areas, you know, a business interest, personal interests, community interests, and so forth.

And I think I think it's important to balance all that uh around you know, around these issues.

Um specifically, I also have experience just in business.

You know, I have a company that I started here, a startup in in Stanford with another person that also lives in Stanford.

Um it's it's doing really well.

We're a fully remote company.

Uh we have about 150 employees, and uh we're fully remote, so we don't actually use any office space.

And to me, that's literally the way the future is going.

that I think I think it's important to balance all that uh around you know around these issues um specifically I also have experience just in business you know I have a company that I started here a startup in in Stanford with another person that also lives in Stanford um it's it's doing really well we're a fully remote company uh we have about 150 employees and uh we're fully remote so we don't actually use any office space and to me that's really the way the future's going so when I look at a lot of these corporate buildings in Stanford it seems to me like there's a there's a good opportunity no one wants empty buildings uh it's a great opportunity to to try to get that to uh to turn over to residential space and so forth so it wouldn't we impact the footprint and would would make these buildings uh useful for everybody any further questions well that was easy thank you we'll uh we'll we'll be uh voting uh as a as a group uh later on this evening and then uh as as as a board uh I believe on uh Monday uh so um you'll be hearing from us you won't be waiting a year well thank you for the opportunity thanks for coming so much for coming to I'll fill it up uh I kind of cheat just I'll just put it in oh uh just don't make a matter yeah I'll make it up yeah yeah yeah yeah um thank you uh Ms.

uh yes uh this is uh this is a32 dot uh zero zero five uh Mr.

Manrosso did I pronounce that correctly sir you're on mute yes sir okay can you hear me now hear me now that's sort of like the commercial commercial oh yeah yeah that's interesting we have you on choice don't we and and uh and we're experiencing some feedback um uh perhaps you want to log out and log back on again which he probably has two devices oh I see that's probably all right is that is that correct sir try now we're gonna we're we we're seeing if we can uh work something on our end okay okay can you hear me now can you hear me now do you have two devices um logged in to the meeting like a a computer and a phone for example or he might be logged in twice yeah we see that yes no I mean from the same device because I've done that before yeah Mr.

Metroso you're logged in via your city email on one account and then via your maybe mobile phone or your other account on another you might want to leave the call one of the windows which you have open for Microsoft Teams.

Yeah do you see how you have your self choice on on on your display sir perhaps if you just log out and re-log in um we can clean it up that way you're you're on mute so I we we can't hear you raise your hand if you can hear us yeah okay I can hear you guys there I think all right that sounded a little cleaner let's uh let's uh let's give it a you just give it a world so have you been have you been yeah we're still getting some microphone back yes oh I thought I had um we'll we'll try I think there we go I think that might be better Mr.

I think that's clean that he's talking oh yeah that he's doing oh yeah okay okay how about that could you try and speak some more Mr.

Metrosoft there you go can you hear me now yes all right much better uh I'm sorry I don't know where the trouble was but apparently we got it yeah no worries uh so this is uh this is matter number uh uh 832.005 uh zoning boards of appeals uh alternate uh Ernest uh Matterasso did I pronounce that correctly sir yes all right um and uh welcome and and and thank you very much for putting yourself forward I I hope you haven't been waiting for over a year uh for an opportunity to speak to this board uh yeah I I I I didn't quite catch what you said I yeah he's a reappointment so oh okay so um yeah this is um I'm sorry I I've been an alternate since 2003 on the zoning board of appeals um do you want me to to to just speak freely about it and then you guys can ask me questions

I I hope you haven't been waiting for over a year uh for an opportunity to speak to this board.

Uh yeah.

I I I didn't quite catch what you said.

I yeah, he's a reappointment.

So oh okay.

So um Yeah, this is uh I'm sorry, I I've been an alternate since 2003 on the zoning board of appeals.

Um do you want me to just speak freely about it and then you guys can ask me questions?

Yes, please do.

Okay.

I've been on since two thousand three as an alternate.

Um and I purposely chose to be an alternate because it's a very responsible position, and I take you know, I I take it uh uh seriously.

So I know that you are obligated generally once a month uh to be present at the meetings, and um although I end up I I end up uh attending generally once a month as an alternate, I didn't want to be totally reliant on my ability to make those uh meetings.

So I took it that seriously, um I chose not to be a regular, despite the fact that since 2003 I've been generally attending uh the the meetings once a month, but I I don't feel guilty if I'm not able to if you know if I weren't able to make that appointment.

I would feel feel more uh obligated if I were a regular uh uh a board member.

Well it it's it seems to me 23 years uh you've seen quite a bit uh and quite a bit evolve uh from from your uh perspective.

And I'm kind of curious what your observations uh with respect to that might be.

Well, this this used to be considered in Stanford one of the best boards uh going in.

I I don't know whether that's just a rah-rah statement on my part, but uh I we've I've witnessed any four or five mayors, and uh we've certainly had uh different chair uh chairpersons, and it's a it's a it's a great board.

Um it's generally decisions are made uh apolitically, if I can say that.

Um most of our decisions are are based on uh zoning hardships that are presented uh to the board for to seek variances because they have a zoning hardship.

Uh the zoning hardship could be the way uh their property is shaped, it could be the topography of the land or whatever.

But um we try to make uh reasonable decisions for the citizens of Stanford, and um they they come to the board uh because the zoning regulations uh are specific, and the board of appeals was set up uh where variants for zoning hardships were considered and voted upon.

And that would uh be able to accommodate the Stanford residents um more equitably.

Interesting.

So you know, when people come to you with with with their with their appeal to the board, uh you know, there it's it's an emotional, it's a probably an emotional uh experience for them, you know, because uh uh talking about you know the principal investment that most people have.

And uh they're they're coming to you with that issue, right?

Indeed, you're correct.

You're correct.

It's an emotional issue, it's a personal issue, it's uh kind of one on one with uh uh with the resident.

Um in some cases there are corporate entities involved where we deal with the law firms who are uh uh skilled at presentations and uh presentations that are um again deal with zoning hardships that are presented and their ability to uh to improve the property.

I'd like to open this up.

uh with the resident um in in some cases there are corporate entities involved where we deal with the law firms who are uh uh skilled at presentations and uh presentations that are um again deal with zoning hardships that are presented and their ability to uh to improve the property i'd like to open this up does anybody uh have any questions uh on the board well absolutely oh uh representative webburn yeah thank you so um ernast thank you and and um uh uh i i guess a career in in uh bearing out medicative uh medicative fraud is taught you how to deal with conflicts so i think that's I think I think that's really good uh you know lots lots of times um the CBA uh the challenge of the CBA is to balance the competing interests particularly with a residential pro when it's a residential uh situation uh the the challenge for the CBA is to is to balance the the competing interests of the homeowner and sometimes with the homeowner and the and the homeowner's neighbors um can you um can you can you share with us how you um how you do that how how you look at those competing interests and well we have we decision making of course we factor into any of our decisions uh neighborhood uh uh uh comments uh uh from uh people who are affected directly by the variants that's being sought um and we uh are cognitive we are very careful about uh balancing then then the neighborhood interests with the initi the interests of the uh homeowner so that is that is but uh one of the considerations that we uh include in our deliberations okay thank you I yield uh thank you for uh uh co-chair garden uh mr muster would you when you're uh approaching these zoning decisions which are very difficult decisions would you would you call yourself uh an idealist when it comes to enforcing the zoning rules of Stanford or are you more of a pragmatist when it comes to balancing the frozen bonds uh this would create the good of the city how do you approach these difficult decisions well it it each each case is is uh looked at really independently if we well if we uh consider all the elements that are before us the presentation that's made neighborhood comments how it affects uh uh uh Stanford as a whole um that presentation is looked at independently and not as a precedent for the uh uh any decisions that follow each case is unique and um we're very considerate of the pr presentations made sometimes the presentations are sophisticated and made by uh law firms sometimes the pro many times the presentations are made by residents who are frightened to death just to stand before the mic uh but we ferret out the information as best as we're able and uh we vote and um we give decisions and um you know uh most of the times um I'd like to think that we've done a really good job uh occasionally there's a little bit of uh ruckus but uh very rarely I think that people sense that the board is uh sincere in in their efforts and um I'm uh I feel that uh it's an asset to uh Stanford the zoning board of appeals thanks very much thank you Representative Gardner uh any any other questions from the board well thank you so much uh for joining us this evening um I hope you're feeling okay following uh your procedure uh we appreciate well I'm feeling as okay as I can feel but I I thank you I thank you guys and appreciate the accommodation we're happy to I appreciate what you guys do but I mean that we're all uh sitting as uh you know uh giving our time but it I I think after all these years I I can say uh that I'm happy that I do well delighted to hear that thank you sir and uh uh as as I'm sure you know we'll we'll uh convene as a group and we'll do our uh committee vote and and then uh take it to the board uh uh this coming Monday I believe so uh we won't keep you waiting long okay thanks for your diligence guys thanks so much cheers bye

Well delighted to hear that.

Thank you, sir.

And uh uh as as I'm sure you know, we'll we'll uh convene as a group and we'll do our uh committee vote and and then uh take it to the board uh uh this coming Monday, I believe.

So uh we won't keep you waiting long.

Okay, thanks for your diligence, guys.

Thanks so much.

Cheers.

Bye.

Looks like we have a little time, don't we?

Uh we schedule the uh our next uh group for 7.30.

Is that correct?

So because are there any other members here who not okay?

Are there any on any of the other candidates online?

No, don't believe so.

Okay.

You're free to call a recess and stop the recording and then we resume at 7.30.

All right.

Um motion to call a recess.

You just you just call.

Oh, I just call it.

Okay, that'll be the call of recess.

And we will uh let's say we reconvene at uh 7.25.

So someone comes early, we still go.