So uh it is 6 30 p.m.

on the 29th of July 2026.

Welcome to the Board of Representatives, 72nd Board of Representatives appointments committee.

Uh just quickly call the role.

We have I'm co-chair Felix Garner, we have Co-Chair Stephen Shaw, Representative Weinberg, Representative Hill, Representative Caparelli in the room, and then we have Representative Hyatt, Representative Weathers, and Representative Bradford on the call.

So that is a quorum.

So let's get started.

So we can do our first interview, which is Alpha 32.045 for the Environmental Protection Board.

It's Laura Tessia, who we joined by right now.

It's a reappointment with expiring December 1st, 2028.

Welcome, Laura.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for your service and board so far.

What was the biggest challenge you faced with the environmental protection board in the last run?

Tell us about because enlighten us.

I think the biggest challenge is trying to strike a balance between protecting the resource and accommodating the needs of the community, the property owners.

I think that's definitely a recurring theme we've heard of other applicants.

And what do you think about the um the like the load on the environmental protection board, which the in the wetlands permits or the variances which I know you have we've heard about that?

It can be quite fun.

Yeah, it's um it varies from month to month, but yeah, it seems to me that um be interested to hear what Thomas and Todd have to say, but in my time on board, I think it's gotten heavier, the load, and um there are certain months where there are just a lot of development proposals with very sensitive issues, and they can carry over from meeting to meeting, and depending on the attendance of the meetings, sometimes we have to worry about consistency.

So um that can be rejoiced.

Um yeah, it's it's it's challenging.

It really is.

It takes a lot of time to review the packets that come to us the Friday before the meeting on that there's following Thursday, and those packets can be heavy duty.

Yeah, okay.

Any other questions?

Of course, go ahead.

Thank you for your service.

I you have the most unbelievable resume on how you have to be here.

And I'm so grateful that you donated your services for as long as you have.

Um, how do you balance economic development and protecting the environment?

It's challenging.

I mean, for me personally, and you know, certainly within the rubric and the requirements of the law and what we're charged with and the guidance that the state provides, but acknowledging all of that, cutting that aside for a moment.

You know, the existing property owner who just wants to make reasonable use of its land and is already there in proximity to the resource.

Those are a little bit easier to deal with.

I do find that um it's important to we we don't currently have a way of analysing development.

So when you have a wetland system, we see developments that are one off.

So someone will come in to us, let's just say it's poor housework, and that system, and we see one development here, one development here, and they may be years apart.

There's no way for us to assess the cumulative impact on that system from all of the developments over the course of the years that have been brought forward and approved.

And so for due diligence, that's a real challenge.

Um for new developments, I find those difficult because the particularly in North Stamford, the topography is such that the region's oil topography makes it very difficult to sufficiently protect wetlands from not just the direct impacts, it's not just direct encroachment, but there are indirect impacts as well.

And with the septics issues and the public and not having public water supply, it gets to be very complicated, and on some of these sites, it just doesn't leave a lot of room for reasonable development.

So that can be very challenging as well.

Keeping keeping septic systems far enough away from water supply, that kind of thing.

Keeping septic systems, in other words, the full complement of the development proposal, ensuring that it is sufficiently removed from the wetland itself, right?

Given the topography, the geology, the soils, and the other factors, that um it's not over time to degrade that system.

And that can be very challenging to assess.

Is most of your work in the North Stamper area versus the rest of the city?

The new developments are predominantly in the North Stamper.

Yeah.

Um I wanted to ask you a question regarding there.

There is there is politically a new wave of I don't know how to put this, but sort of against boards like yourself and the zoning board, particularly the EPP, um, that you are you know slowing down, stopping development uh in order to protect the wetlands.

And so I wanted to talk a little bit about why are we protecting the wetlands?

Can you can you speak to why it's so important?

The types of things that it affects in people's everyday life in in protecting in protecting wetlands.

Well, which is the majority of what you're doing, I think, right?

There are the you know, there are the things you normally hear about wildlife and habitat and the importance of diversity, biological diversity and protecting those systems.

But I think if you want to get down to the practical impact on humans, um your water supply is in those watersheds, and those wetlands are critical to not only conserving water supply and ensuring quality, uh um just acting as a buffer and a reservoir for storage for those in some cases for those systems without the wetlands and uncontrolled development, you would end up with considerably degraded drinking water.

Now in North Stanford, we don't draw from that public supply, but South Stanford does.

And so everything south of the border is drawing from the reservoirs.

South Stanford we're we're drawing from our own wells, so we're not as affected, right?

But we're still affected because wetlands have a very strong water quality improvement function, and absent those, the quality of the groundwater, which we do draw from in our public in our wells, private wells, can also be degraded.

Thank you.

Commissioner Because I have a question.

This is uh moving it a little further south.

I and and and this is really you know, understanding that the uh the extent of your remit on the environmental protection board, uh, but looking at your resume, um you know, recently uh I represent District One, which is Japan, and so you know, a large part of Stanford's coastline uh falls within uh my district.

And I can't help but notice uh how much longer it now takes for Westcott Cove to flush itself of impurities after a rainstorm, and because of the coastal resilience project that's going on right now, um I know there's a side project uh hasn't really gotten underway, which is the Clemens on watershed study.

And in looking at that, it sort of seems like that industrial center of Stanford, sort of from Glenbrook and the research park area south into sort of along the cove and parts of downtown, all empties into Cummings Pond.

And I'm just kind of curious, given you your background, i if you can speak to that, if if there are any practical uh solutions.

I mean, obviously there's study underway to to research that, but just kind of wondering if you could react to to that.

It's hard for me to react because I'm not familiar with the project, so I really can't speculate, but in general, I mean, you know, there are certainly watershed retrofits that can be undertaken if the land is available in terms of you know um pre-treatment wetlands, created wetlands, constructed systems that can help to improve water quality if it's a stormwater discharge issue, but I don't have enough information.

That's not something that's come before us.

I see.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Ms.

Thank you so much for the appreciate.

Thank you so much for my own.

Yes, like number two, Alpha 32.055 for the environmental protection board, it's Thomas Rose.

How does he say Mr.

Remus was on the board and ultimate?

Yes.

Back in 2025, you're appointed.

Yes.

Now you've got the full seat.

So yes, congratulations.

That definitely shows a perfect confidence from the man's team.

They did a great job and they want what would you say was your uh biggest.

What would you say is the thing you're gonna focus on most now that we've got the full seat, we will have the full seat.

Well, I've been learning from more and the other guys do the full board.

When I first came on, I was a little leery about serving because I really didn't know too much about it, but I had served previously on the sewer water commission, and I was a chairman of the sewer board commission many years ago.

And then I have a business experience dealing with people and customers and learning how to speak to them and handle questions and then you guys asked the question about the burden of the uh the board, you know, so on and so forth.

Yeah, we can become overwhelmed sometimes, but you know, we have to do what we gotta do.

Yeah, so in your in your opinion, the uh level of variance applications process is magical.

It's kind of magical, but sometimes it can be overwhelmingly.

So it's very funny with the construction.

Yeah, yeah, and and it's also a lot of development going on, and I I didn't realize there was that much development in the north of Stanford, and then downtown, you have all these new buildings and apartments getting converted.

This is all gonna go into the sewer system into the ecosystem.

It's gonna be overwhelmed, and then DRN is going in because they feed into our system too, into our sewage trainer plan as well.

Yeah, interesting.

Yeah, so where's all this stuff gonna go?

Yeah, so it's a big problem.

I don't know if the plant can handle it.

That's that's my question.

Yeah, I mean I could see um, I'm not sure if it's gonna perhaps probably off the sort of the um the green roofs.

Um that was a zoning change that has to have vulture.

So I mean that's yeah, I think new construction downtown is gonna have to have uh green roots, which should probably help help with the benefits of our option, yes.

Well, initiative's kind of very important role in that book for this.

Yeah.

And there was a couple of things I have also had besides the business site, I know some metallurgy too.

So when some of these folks want to do things on their property, I look at you know what kind of materials they're gonna use.

So some if you use like regular steel or galvanized deal, it'll rust it to leach into the uh to the ecosystem.

So you gotta use you know, stainless steel or plastic.

Okay, for the footings and stuff like that.

So okay, public instruction.

Coach Ashwell.

What what what is the capacity of our sewage treatment?

Uh or what level of capacity are we at at this point?

To me, I don't know exactly, but I know some folks that work there and they tell me that sometimes when it's like this heavy rainstorm, it's overwhelmed.

And sometimes they gotta spill in to the sound.

I I was just gonna say, Steve, there's there's a really good analysis of that summary of that in the comprehensive plan.

So if you if you grab that and do a search, you'll get some really good data on that side.

Thank you.

I mean, the excuse me, the the short answer is that you know, in these you know, crazy events, which are no longer I know, they're becoming more and more frequent.

Unfortunately, not the anomaly.

Yeah, these frequent anomalous events to invent a new concept.

Um even with um Darren, even with basically dairy and participation, and of course it helps to pay for they pay for that.

Yeah, so everybody that the um that the plant has uh you know has significant capacity, this built capacity over the last few years.

But there are you know there are legitimate concerns about these anomalous events, particularly if they stop being so anomalous.

Yeah, why not?

Yeah, uh Tom I I just want to I I want to repeat you know a recurring theme here with you guys, which is thank you so much for your service because what the EPB does is so important to make sure that we're developing in a in a way that's gonna work for the residents of the city for the next 30, 40, 50 uh years and not just for not just for today.

Um your background is is really interesting because it's very different from many of the other members of the E.

And I salute that, and I'm really interested.

You you touched on this a little bit when you talked to me about your metallurgical experience.

Um but could you could you elaborate a little bit more on how your different background provides a um a um a broad a different a different useful point of view as the EPP makes its decisions?

Oh uh I also have some engineering background too.

So I can interpret the blueprints and the building uh foot footings and stuff on the layout of the plan and stuff like that.

And um I learned that from school, and also when I was in my business, I built a couple of businesses, and I threw my own blueprints, and when I put an additional line deck, I did my own too.

But you gotta know how much space you have and where you can put it.

You just can't put something in there, and you're gonna worry about your surroundings, like the water, the uh sewage issue, a septic issue, like up in North Stanford, and uh dealing with you know people who are dealing with the public throughout my career, it helps people come before the board and get an answer or ask questions.

What they plan to do.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, everyone.

Any further questions in the room or on the zoom call?

Okay, thank you so much.

Thank you.

Appreciate your time.

So thank you so much.

You're welcome.

Okay, so item number three, output 32.056.

The environmental collection board, Joseph Gavin.

Joseph, please show us thank you.

You prefer Todd.

Yes, Todd's mind.

Yeah, show us of course.

Okay, Todd.

Um Todd is a it's a reappointment.

You're repoint as well, so different.

Yeah.

What was what was your uh your biggest learning from being on the board so far?

What do you have to do uh do differently at this time?

Um I think we have got, I think you guys have noticed we've got a really diverse board.

It's got a lot of different, I'll say value that each person brings.

I think purely environmentally, Laura is the excellent resource to along with the staff to interpret things, but we all bring stuff that's a little different.

Like we talk about I have a big construction background, so when you talk about setbacks and work and things to do what these plans come, nobody looks at logistics and do you cross into wetlands you temporarily have things that are you know, it's not just the footprint of the building that's talk about, it's about how far it takes to build that in a area.

So I think from that aspect, it's it's been pretty interesting to see all the different projects come in and then see how it impacts from our perspective, you know, the environment.

So that's been probably an impact I've seen.

What inspired you to uh to serve as this for teenhood um I first went to David Martin and offer either zoning planning or EPP, and he said um uh I have an interesting background on an Eagle Scout, and my favorite marathon is environmental science, and I brought that up and he says, Oh, then you're on EPV.

I was like, oh okay.

So um that's where that basically came from.

So unique story.

Congratulations on the eagle.

Thank you.

So uh have you had like a situation where one of your own construction projects had to come before EV?

No.

No, I don't have different sort of commercial constructional um it's I I none of I don't build on purely like an owner's representative.

So I don't think any of my of my clients have ever been before us and after we include myself.

So but hasn't happened since or yet.

So how is it decided what's gonna come before you decides that?

As far as the EVD?

Yeah, so when does everything go or and then just certain things you look at?

Or no, there's a threshold that I think that all of the boards have an immediate reaction to required that it comes before us.

I think we have to say no, it doesn't apply to us before people can move on in certain aspects.

You'll see we'll get pressure that oh my gosh, I have to get my building, we have to do our approvals at P and Z or whatever.

We we really don't care about that.

We stick to our plane and say, listen, you're here for EPP reasons, and you have to conform to the the requirements of what we have here.

So from the threshold point of view, I think at staff level, the staff gets alerted to what happens in certain applications, and then they if the threshold is met, it comes before us, and they're told as an applicant they have to come before the board.

The staff meaning Bob Clowsy or okay, so he decides what's gonna come before you and what's not really affecting wetlands, basically.

Well, there's the minimum standards that just like planting and zoning that everyone has to conform to, but I think Bob is a gatekeeper and staff to make sure that any type of activity comes up.

And there's also enforcement issues that aren't necessarily part of I'll say administration.

Who takes care of that?

EBB does that as well.

Okay, certain of you or all of you or no, I think what happens we'll get somebody'll call and say something's happened on our property, and then he usually alerts us immediately via email or something that I'm gonna go investigate, and then they'll let us know if we have to participate in any follow-up.

Um just a couple of questions.

Um do you know of if if 10 projects are referred to your board, how many are actually needing to be you know looked at and they're referred to the board, they all are that that means they would all affect wetlands.

So if if there's an application to the board, yeah, we have to I guess what I meant is if 10 properties are being built.

Do all 10 properties automatically come to you only if they trigger the wetland is there?

That gatekeeper to say he'll check as well because some applicants will say they don't, and at his level, he'll say, hey, wait a minute, you're within an upland review area, you've got you know, certain things so he would be that person that would know if 10 come before me, I'm I'm getting rid of eight because they don't affect anything, and we're having the board look at two.

Correct.

Okay, okay.

Those my those are my last questions.

Not so much that they don't affect anything, he's not making a judgment called.

Okay, it's a it's really cut and dry.

We have certain limits, 100 feet, 50 feet.

If the activity is going to be within the envelope, okay, it comes to the board if it's a wetland, if it's a water course, it's a different parameter, but the parameters are pretty straightforward, so it's not like the staff is in the position of saying, Oh, you know, I don't think this one applies, and this one does.

It's pretty pretty, it's pretty straightforward.

Okay.

So what's happened in our time on the board?

I think the there's more data that's available.

So at times you're getting applicants that said, you know, I bought this property four years ago, and there's I never knew there was an issue, but with the new data, new resources, and and actual changes to the water courses, things have changed.

Right.

So you also get a lot of we get one or two applicants where they're like, we had no clue that there was an issue.

So in some cases you've had cooperative applicant that says, Hey, I had no clue, and how do I fix myself?

And other people unfortunately get know there's an issue and ignore it.

So I think we have to deal with both.

Is it usually pretty easy to fix the problem, like build that way or move it here, or I think environmental impacts once they're half they've occurred, take years to fix.

The damage is quote done, and it takes significant amount of time.

I mean, you cut a 30-inch tree down, it's not gonna happen overnight that you put in the tree back.

So those are simple things like that.

So that's why the enforcement and the follow-up is important because you know, in the case where something occurred that you're trying to fix, takes years to rebuild an ecosystem.

Thank you.

I I yield to you.

Any other questions?

Anyone in the Zoom call program if you would like to ask a question?

Yeah, Tom.

First of all, thank you for your service both to the EPV and the museum and so forth, like everything.

Uh it's just one of the one of the magical things about Stanford is that there are people like you guys who you know who are willing to contribute.

Um he said sometimes they're uncooperative.

Applicants.

How do you handle that?

How do you guys handle that?

As a board, how do you handle that?

It's pretty simple.

The methodology is in place to deal with an uncooperative person that isn't just their approval.

And there's usually economics driving these things.

So if they're not going to get past this board, they're not going to get to the other boards.

There's a chain of events, not just we're one gatekeeper, not putting out unintended, but there's multiple, so you know, you have to I think you know, deal with it and enforcement allows for five fines, uh allows for uh putting um restrictions on the property on the deeds.

So if people don't want to puny ball, there's there are remedies.

Some of them are more trying to I'll say fortify even more.

Um so it's not just a slight on the risk type of thing, but I think we're no we have another control.

Okay, okay.

So very good.

Thank you.

Well thank you.

Coach.

So when you say the data has improved over the years, is that uh GPS data?

Is it mapping data?

All of that.

Yes.

And and so let's say let's say um your home sits on what had been assumed not to be, you know, they are as it turns out, with uh either you know aspects of the ecosystem that redirected it there or just been revealed.

Um what happens then?

Yeah, house been there for years, uh the new data reveals uh a potential issue.

I think that's where you have to educate the applicant or the issue.

Um again, where it's um I'll say organically created, there's a more of a cooperative tone to say listen, 40 years ago the river course was here, now it's over here, and now it's at your front door.

So for some people they might not even notice that, but in other cases, you you know you have to work through that and bring that those up.

The permitting process at all levels are checks and balances for people to see what affects them.

And like I said, some people come before us and didn't even know, and other people are aware, and then try to push the envelope.

But if the property's been in place and it's no longer in compliance, what happens to the to the property?

I think economically there has I don't know how I've asked that in the legal world.

If like do you pay taxes on one of them?

I don't know.

If you did if you own the property and it's deemed unusable.

Is your question if the if the structure exists so somebody has a home?

And it turns out that it's supposed to, there's it's it's you know, five feet from a wetland where there should be an upload review area of a hundred feet.

Right.

Is are they out of compliance?

It depends on one that when it was constructed, if it predates the date of adoption of the local law that regulates wetlands in Stanford, it's grandfather.

Oh, okay.

And if it and even if it has so say it was built 30 years ago and they never came for a permit, it they could apply for a permit at that point, um, and the board would have to consider, you know.

Practically speaking, I I can't imagine Todd us ever saying, I'm sorry, you've got to remove your home.

You know, I mean there are realities here, but it points up the fact that there are some difficulties.

So one of the things I was thinking about as Todd was speaking, was you know, we have some subdivisions coming before us that were approved 35 years ago, and they today would never be able to be approved with the lock count that they were approved with because of the wetland considerations.

The problem is it puts us in a very tight body.

So, to your question, you know, is there enough room on the site to maneuver the development aspects so that it can be sensitively developed in those cases, very often not, and we are put in a situation where we just have to do the best we can with the circumstance that we have.

So it can get a little complicated that way, but um again, in my experience on the board, I think the board tries really hard to be accommodating with Stanford residents.

I don't think anybody's looking to you know make someone's life miserable or punish someone for the sake of, you know.

I just I haven't seen that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any further questions at all?

Okay, thank you so much.

Welcome, thank you.

Thank you.

So item number four, file 32.057.

Parking violations, hearing officers, George.

Very good.

That's not even wanna do for a shot.

And this is a new appointment, sir.

Sorry.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for thank you for stepping up for very probably one more interesting, one more interesting roles we've uh appointed people for.

It's um I guess it's a very a role which requires immense fairness under pressure, and that's um and that's uh weighing of different factors because I'm sure you'll have people crying out to you about their uh emotional cases and reasoning why they should be exempted from XYZ, you know, my my baby was crying or something like that.

Um how did you weigh up those difficult decisions in your mind to apply the rules of the afternoon?

Well, yeah, for me it's my I'm used to that kind of environment, obviously not with parkings for say, but just my job in general.

I I work at a high pressure, I I manage a lot of people, I get escalations every day, I got customers asking every day.

So I'm kind of you know, I'm I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I'm very well well versed in dealing with a lot of objections and people you know pleading their cases, and you know, I feel I do a very uh a lot of experience in this.

I have to do a very fair job weighing out, you know.

Um I'm considered a very fair person.

Um I'm not biased whatsoever, but I'm used to doing stuff like this, um, just not in this scale, but you know, the principles are the same.

How'd you find out about the job?

Uh my actually, my father-in-law, long uh long time, he was he was on the board uh he passed away years ago.

Then his daughter who actually married, she was on in the role, and um they were asking for candidates, and I was looking, you know.

I've I've been born and raised here life, and I was looking for an opportunity to kind of you know uh do something.

So and um you know, I I'm interested.

So thank you.

I love the opportunity.

So you you and Lori are married.

Yes, are you know my wife?

We we met last month.

Oh yeah, she was yeah, she keeps a great interview by the way.

Okay, okay, or longow is uh she kept her carmine long as her dad, so they know you can keep your last name.

People know that name better than mine.

So she was a lady basically running the whole ball by herself for a long time.

I was like, yeah, yes, yes, yeah.

So you know, and I've I've I've heard her, and you know, I uh so um I know she's been doing it for a long time on her own.

Um, and this is all I kind of stepped up.

I said, Oh if the opportunity presents itself, and she said ironically, we need help.

And I said, I'm in if you know if you guys allow them.

She's got some awesome help now.

That we interviewed uh three board members in the previous meeting, and uh and they they were just yeah, so so different, but all great in their own way, just you know, the capacity to absorb what comes your way.

Yeah, my wife's known a long time, she's very charismatic, but uh she uh it was a lot, there was a lot of uh cases that she was running all the time, and she's not uh you know, she would never um complain, but I I just thought you know you guys needed uh that's why I volunteer.

So she works in the semical system.

Uh she did, yeah, yeah.

She retired actually.

So she worked for the state of Connecticut for a long time.

30 years.

That's what exactly.

Well, I think you've got all the experience you need for this.

I wasn't gonna throw names out there, and I just think I'm not I'm not that guy.

So what happens when uh when you're on opposite sides of a of uh situation?

She wins.

No, but uh you made the you gave the right answer.

Yeah, yeah.

But uh I learned our I learned a lot from her.

Like, you know, she she uh um not that I I hear, but like she was asked my opinion because you know we we're lifelong residents here, so and it's always you know we're about parking and I work, you know, and I not only just I don't sit in office, I'm always always on the road as well.

So I know a lot of places, and I you know, I always remember signs and kind of you know, so it we work well together, actually, so that's good.

So that's a big part of the job is actually to go to the site where the violation or the alleged violation.

Yeah, no, she did it the other day.

We're going to dinner.

Oh, by the way, you gotta stop down all summer sheet.

I gotta check out this sign, and uh, you know, so it's good.

Yeah.

But yeah, I I like it.

I mean, that that's that's what you gotta do.

It's due diligence.

So make decisions based on memory.

So just do it.

Any further questions from Mr.

Ligosy?

On the zoom pool in the room.

Okay, thank you so much for that.

All right, we really appreciate it.

Okay, next up we have it number five, uh 32.058 for the zoning board of appeals.

Apologies, rate of salary, yeah.

So that rain's like good evening, everyone.

Welcome.

And is the new appointment right to the job?

Yes.

Your first one.

Fantastic.

Good old standard thing.

Yeah, so I hear I have some questions I wrote in the UV.

Let's see.

Um tricky ones, some tricky ones.

Uh huh.

How would you intend to weigh individual property rights uh against the impact of variances in historic single family neighborhoods?

That's that's something I did a historic neighborhood and sound for do we do the whole of the sort of requests for variance is all neighborhood, and that's how it's something that comes to the ZBA.

Well, I think um the only thing I'm really weighing is the legal standard of undue hardship.

But please, you know, I could be wrong.

I haven't really looked at a lot of different cases, so I don't know exactly what other factors come into play.

But I feel I feel like uh since we're on the lowest level before the trial courts, I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be following precedent.

So I would look for at the definitions of legal standards um and decisions that were made before.

And I don't really see you know any kind of personal opinion coming into play in this.

That's why I really like the zoning board of appeals because it's more of a legal, you know, I'm not a legislator, I really don't.

I'm again I don't I don't feel like I'm familiar enough to make such sweeping judgments, but I don't think that I'm gonna be having making any kind of decisions um about development.

And um, I do think the word development can have different meanings.

For example, in Sun Houses, it was changing something that was uh light industrial zoning to residential zoning, and then in um was it 10 rugged street in 2016?

Uh it was the it was going in the other direction, something that was becoming more of an industrial use for this um steel rock crushing or steel crushing, and and saying that that was you know too much of a heavy industrial use and a lighter industrial use.

So I think that that word can I there's certain words that are precise and have more of a legal definition, and those are the words that are gravitate towards.

I think there are words that have uh more broad definitions that I'm not gonna have to really define because I'm gonna be thinking more, you know, like in a legal mindset than in a political mindset in this position.

Great awesome.

That's why we need people like you over CD.

That's uh fantastic.

Can I go?

But but there is an emotional component to this because when people come to you, uh they may feel that one of the most significant investments that they've ever made is maybe not in jeopardy, but under question, possibly delay, uh possibly in need of some sort of a remedy.

So there is a personal aspect.

Uh yeah, absolutely.

I think um in that situation, part of it is just being compassionate and really listening to what people have to say, so they feel like they do have a place where they're heard.

Um, but I also think like most of that level of discussion is like deciding where it really is a question for the board that I'm on.

So I think that there's a lot of that, like in the um there was a development recently, Bells, I think near Long or High Ridge, where I'm sorry that I can't remember the name of the um location.

Um but the quest there was a lot of community complaints and residential complaints, and it turned out it wasn't even uh it wasn't even outside of the zoning that had already been written.

So in that situation, it's not that I don't have compassion or agree with what people are saying, it's that that's not the decision that I'm here to make.

So you know, I wouldn't want to give people false confidence that that is a forum because that is not a forum for that.

Um when the laws are already in place, it's the legislator's job to change it, not the person that has that's like even lower that the than the trial court.

So um, I would definitely want the people to feel like feel like they're heard, feel like you know the press is hearing them too, which I think is important, but I also would like like I like to be clear where I'm actually the person that would make any kind of decision that would impact their concerns.

Sure I mean that emotional component very easily could cut two ways I mean that was very obvious during the uh discussion surrounding the uh the most recent master plan yeah so yeah was this you're thinking about the one on your field well I'm just talking about um there were there were some some potential changes in zoning uh definitions that were on the table and there was a healing cry.

Is this the shall in the May um sorry I just I was listening listening to recent meetings.

Oh I don't know I mean I think it depends on the situation.

For example I didn't listen I didn't get the whole context of this recent discussion between Shall and May one of the more recent meetings.

But to me the discussion between shall and May is a really really serious legal discussion.

And yeah again I the the courts and this to me seems like more of a court rule they don't change the law.

Right.

So I I wouldn't want to overstatement set my boundaries also I don't want to waste people's time I don't want to waste people's money they have to go to the correct forum otherwise they're just gonna go through the courts and then it just causes more waste of time and money and aggravation for everybody involved.

Of course thank you very much.

Thank you.

Probably so I I've very intrigued with your you with your background and I changed careers more than once and I'm really impressed that you did um and what um I just I'd love to know what um it's it's interesting because at least what we hear about is you know the more common migration is from both is from um a legal career to teaching he went the other way and to be a you know a later student to go through law school like that is off to you what motivated you to do this.

So I'm not a big fan of higher education degrees just for myself that's not a judgment on higher education um or it's you know it's scholarly pursuits but I was wanted to go with a pay grade so I either had to get an administration right certification or like the the man that I was working co-teaching with was an attorney that had become a teacher so I did I just thought it wouldn't be such a big deal I like going to school.

So I got into the evening program at UConn and I actually commuted because I was a tenure teacher right outside of Boston but the thing that I didn't realize about the evening program was that it's only an evening program for the first year.

So and I yeah I mean I really loved it too so I could I I may still go back to teaching I guess I mean I don't know depends you know what kind of opportunities come up but I really love the law and I love the negotiation aspect of it the writing aspect of it I had fantastic teachers at UConn.

Just I guess there's an overflow of like the top like five schools and teaching positions because the teachers that I have are way above like the me included you know and I just I really loved it and so there was a few things that I really want to do like I spent time in task clinic I spent time criminal law is my first um passion I would say because of the storytelling illness um but yeah and I I have a chemistry degree so I um I'm also patent a patent attorney um so yeah I just found out that I loved it so I decided not to try so hard to do a part-time and I worked well through school uh lurking like a paid clerkship for a criminal attorney in Hartford yeah I really love being in court I like um I like thinking on my feet you never know what's gonna happen you can prepare prepare prepare but you never know what the other person has so yeah I've I've often thought that the value of preparation is is is not that you use it but it elevates your confidence a little more yeah are you an attorney no yeah no I mean I don't need to say that I just don't want to speak about like the courtroom experience but yeah I think that um that's absolutely true but yeah I think you I think preparation is still you have to be really really prepared because there's only there is a finite number of cases you know even if it's a large number it's a finite numbers so if you don't know what what's out there then you can't I can't answer anything at all.

Yeah right especially in a field where where precedent is kidding yeah I mean sometimes you know sometimes you can get a little pick at a little loose thread and get something maybe a little a little new in there but no that's not how it works.

Yeah, I mean sometimes, you know, sometimes you can get a little pick at a little loose thread and get something maybe a little a little new in there, but no, that's not how it works.

Well, I I think it's uh good you know, today, you know, young people coming into college or sort of instructed to think of it seems to be at least to think of college as like trade school the purpose of college is to find a career and stick with that, you know, with that career and you know, and um I much more in favor of uh I wouldn't say devis it, you know, I wouldn't advise it.

I think the longer winding group is off and do that hell of a lot of my hands off to be.

Here's to it.

Um I was just interested in why do you want to do this?

Um I have a passion for the community and um local laws.

I am much more up to date on local news than I am on international news.

Um, and this is this is really a legal, I think there's a lot of legal issues, so it's a great way to get experience, and I really like zoning regulations because they're so precise.

Anything with numbers or structures or you know, topography has a lot of numbers and a lot of um kind of like science, not necessarily all science, but you know, if you got the there's there are numbers in the law and you can't go outside of those, like um the candidate for the environment, I think that was for the environmental protection board was saying, yeah, there it's not some kind of vague um question that you're answering.

It's here are the numbers, are you outside, how far outside, how far outside has been permitted in the past.

So I'm much factor to that, just because I like anything having to do with um numbers or formulas or anything like that.

I I like what you said about um what your job is.

You know, your job is basically to just interpret the law, and a lot of people don't understand that when they're attending these meetings, like some of the things that you described on long with bridge, which were as of right, you know, permits and people thought that they were going outside of as of right, and so they started fighting it.

Um you saying, you know, basically I'm just to interpret the law.

It's it doesn't matter what my personal opinion on historical preservation or this or that the other thing.

But you're still gonna have to deal with those people showing up to your meetings, angry at you.

Yeah, I don't I mean, I uh I taught for nine years in a very low-income community outside of Boston where there's a casino.

So I chose to work in a sectioned off part of the high school where it was dropped by its children.

So most all of them are homeless, um, you know, in foster care, uh large percentage of immigrants that um weren't necessarily feeling safe about um whatever I don't want to get into politics, but there were some, you know, there was a lot of disruptions, there was a lot of um, you know, really fighting, I don't want to say violence because I feel like they were so good around me that I don't think that's fair, but there were definitely fights that could get very serious.

Um I mean what I what I have to give somebody that feels stressed and anxious is just being calm and listening to I think I I really think that you always have to listen to what somebody has to say, and also it's all part of like well part of the same story.

You never know when there's gonna be a little piece of something that you know that I've only heard that welcome for the case that I'm deciding on.

So um I I yeah, I I I don't want to, I don't want to you're well get too specific, but yeah, there I there have been deaths flying across the room and there certainly have been more than one uh gun in a backpack that I you know I never I never felt scared, I never felt upset myself because they were so young, but uh yeah, I think that life is not a little circle where you're away from chaos.

I think that it's things are always changing and people are getting upset and being happy and being sad, and that's part of the human condition, and you know, I want to be part of that too.

So it's not like I would ever um shut somebody down.

And I think it's good also to have a forum where people can express what they have to say, even if it's not a form where they'll be heard or they will be, you know, they will be given what they want, because it just stu you know, I think it's I feel I feel that our courts are overburdened, burdened, and also it's hard to get to the courts if you don't have money or power.

So it's good for there to be a forum like this, and it's good for there to be a place where it also things can be made known publicly.

So I don't think that it doesn't have a purpose for people that to speak that aren't gonna have the board address their concerns.

Um but I and I think that my job is to like you know, listen to what they have to say, not only to determine whether or not it's something that I am gonna use in my decision, but just to you know, it's part of the process, basically.

Sometimes people just need to feel heard.

Yeah, absolutely.

Thank you for for volunteer.

Yeah, thank you so much.

Nice to meet everybody.

Thank you so much.

Okay, thank you for stepping up.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity.

Okay, next up, uh item six, Alpha 32.059 for the zoning board of appeals.

You can't take Cello.

Well, you're gonna follow someone who's uh extremely competent, you're extremely competent to this kind of company.

Um you are uh compliance, um, especially 15 years of um doing financial compliance for major banks.

So you know all about complying to the regulation, and uh and hopefully you'll apply that same experience to the ZBA.

Uh, do you think that's a fair fair assessment?

It is.

I mean, the again without it having to repeat, but I I understand there is usually presidents, you know, for what comes to the zoning board of appeals, you know.

I've listened to a few meetings just to get a sense in terms of what goes on and the interactions, you know.

So I've seen sort of well positive outcomes, you know.

And again, adhering to the letter of the law following, you know, like what is there with some common sense, you know, to get situations that do not necessarily harm right, but it's a feat or you know, where you know garage be inusable, right?

And somebody needs to build a garage.

Whatever, but I would say adhere to the letter of the law would be the goal.

And I would look forward to sort of guidance, you know, that exists, you know, like within the books and also do see the peers would be enforced law.

Absolutely, absolutely fantastic.

Well, when when you came to this uh applying for this position, um were you specifically interested in the zoning board of appeals?

Uh were there a range of uh boards that uh you might have been pardon me interested in serving on.

Uh how did this come about for you?

Great question.

So there were actually uh it was sort of both what was available at the time.

So my I was talking to my local representative, you know, like one day on the board, you know, like I should say, there would be old positions, and if you're interested in giving your time, which is why I live in St.

First since 2010, you know, like I wanted to get back to look what's available.

So there were some roles available.

I just threw my head out there, you know, like and I think again, very similar, sort of like the recommendation came to hey it's only board of appeals.

Like, okay, you know, that would be a good way.

Like I felt zoning, for example, if somebody offered me zoning at this time, I would not have taken it because I understand it's a bit more contentious, you know, it's a little bit more, and I feel the learning curve would be smoother in the zoning board of appeals, you know, like if eventually I wanted to expose something else that they're zoning boards.

But the short answer is they thought you know it'd be good for the board of appeal based positions were available that are interesting about a month of course.

Right.

Right.

Uh I would imagine coming into it on the board of appeals.

You sort of go in case by case, correct?

So you you know, there's a sort of an incremental learning curve that way, whereas if you just went into the zoning board, which is a difficult board to get on in any event, my thought would be this like global understanding that you would almost be expected to bring to that.

I also I just can't help but notice you know, being in the tri-state area, you know, so much of our interest directed towards New York, and I think of real estate, and I think of money laundering and I find a complacent between those two things that you you are a money laundering compliance officer, kind of curious what what your take might be uh about that.

I know that's a really fun question.

Okay, it's that's like really it's also a complex question, right?

So I mean like when you identify specificity for the most part, right?

You reported to the government based on the rules and regulations that exist, and then typically from there, right?

Depending on the severity and stuff, you know, like you there is other organizations within law enforcement that would have an interest, you know, on them kind of for the pursuit, right?

Depending on the severity, cross-border, etc.

You know, but again, for the most part, in terms of what we do, we just identify it, you know, where possibly we have suspicion, and then you know, the I would say the government takes it from there, you know, but then the other piece as well depends on the institution where you work for and what level of activity do you see, right?

So some of the places that work for their cross-border solutions.

So to your point, there are things where may not make sense, right?

When you work for an institution like when I work now where you just have an online savings account, right?

Like the pro-lift money laundering, it's lower, let nobody parks money on the savings account, you know, to laundry money, right?

But it's but I would say in terms of you know there is I would say there are a lot of, I mean, you cannot buy housing cash, right?

And whenever there is a trail of money, I think all financial institutions, including the real estate person, I think, are doing a good job now to at least for real estate in the US, outside of high profile jurisdiction on Miami, et cetera, right?

Where the government has even more specific orders for that.

Do you do you think of yourself as like an investigator?

I mean it you know, it's almost like money laundering through a financial institution.

It's almost like a cancer, right?

You have to identify it because it can metastasize right within the institution.

So it just takes a certain amount of detective work, I would think, to uncover some of these.

It would you know, again, for the most part, I haven't necessarily done like I've done some investigative work, but not necessarily a lot.

Most of the work has been sort of on the front end, you know, where you look at the customers before they become customers, or they potentially somebody you're gonna do as a switch, and then once they become a customer or they behave in line with that with what they said they're gonna do.

Thank you.

I said one book?

Yeah, thank you.

Uh Anton, uh on your on your application, um word asks how'd you learn about serving on the uh on a city board commission?

Uh you wrote word of mouth and you said social media post.

And I wonder if you could share with us what which social media side, what was the post kind of sure?

So one I would say was as I said talking to my local representative, and then by chance I think I saw something on next door that one of the members of the board had put, you know, or saying where people complain a lot about other various stuff, and the comment was about hey, if you really want to make a sort of want to make a contribution or kind of really just check this link.

That's kind of fairly important more specifically to say, hey, let's see what's open right now.

Just kind of really put the big work there.

You know, the initially inquiry.

Um very good.

Um frequently, you know, particularly with residential applications to the CBA, um, you know, for um renovations or whatever.

Um there's uh there's conflict between the property owner, property owner wants to do and how the neighbors feel about it.

How do you balance those two?

What process would you use to balance those two points of view?

So I would say again, I'm not a lawyer by professional but I would say one is like the president, right?

Whatever the rules sort of are about that, and I would say the next step to it would be sort of the common sense, you know.

Like and I just listened to the last two weeks, you know, like including where neighbors sort of had concern, you know.

But I would say it depends what it is, right?

If if let's say you're building a pattern, it's maybe a foot longer, right?

Again, within the rules of whatever, or let's say the garage I think would be a better example, right?

Like if you because of one foot longer, you cannot make the garage usable, right?

Depending on what you are, whether whatever.

I think that's where I would maybe put some judgment in, but otherwise I'll say that the person that is, you know, and then again, also I'm coming in this one to an open mind in terms of learning, and so I do have to class the learning, and we promise you know that the learning will come, you know, and and also I would look to sort of the more senior people being able to sort of some guidance as as I get foot, my footwork in the door.

Okay, great.

Thank you very much.

Any cut thank you.

Thank you for stepping up.

It was my post that you saw, and I was sick of hearing people complain and not stepping up.

So thank you for stepping up.

Um I'm glad I guilted you into doing it.

I I hope more people answer the call.

Um so you were just talking about like moving a garage to the left, a few feet.

Maybe in the garage a little bit, let's say if the garage that's somebody's building a garage, right?

Or if it's you know, like let's say, you know, if you have by the zoning rules, and I'm just making this up, yeah.

Yeah, 12 feet, right?

But in order to make it usable, let's say for two cars, right?

Then let's say every well, they let's say every neighbor has two car garage across, and you maybe need to go two more feet.

But that's where I think again in my opinion, I would say the common sense to me, right?

But and then in terms of the neighborhood's impact, right?

Like as I was listening to the zoning board, then the most recent meetings, especially.

I also felt the same way with the parking tickets.

I thought some of this things, you know, like some people kind of more natural to look at the map.

I said, okay, you know what?

Most guys drive by and have a look, you know, because and kind of really see, yeah, yeah, because sometimes people make a big deal about it, and it's maybe it's not, right?

And so kind of really see if I could make sense in terms of what the truth is, yeah.

I I like the mindset that you're gonna try to accommodate the person to develop whatever they're doing, you know, with and staying within the law.

Um, I use that those kind of examples too when talking about the EPB or conservation commission that we're we're trying to do.

It's like good people like you are gonna look to balance you know, the laws with economic development, you're not gonna just look to stop it.

And so I really appreciate that answer and for you stepping up.

Thank you.

And I I didn't say it, but I actually went through like an additional project in my house as well.

So I went three years ago.

And I would like to find the process work as much as you know, I I found it a process, right?

Thank you.

I yield to any further questions, Mr.

Gunn.

See no.

Thank you so much for time.

I really appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Okay, up next.

Item number seven Alpha 32.060, the historic preservation advisory commission, Stevie Cohen.

Thank you, Stephen.

Uh this new appointments with expiring to send a first time.

Well, I'm sorry.

Thank you.

Uh tough questions for you.

That's the way I don't know.

Uh all powerful HMA.

You're another uh compliance professional, I believe, as well.

That's witnesses.

I I handle um you know, I'm I technically have the C CO title at our current job.

And so how would you uh how would you use your skill set as a compliance professional to provide um good recommendations to allow these boards from the historical preservation and fire street commission?

Um I think that's ultimately the job of the commission is to provide good recommendations, but based on your your knowledge and your assessment of the structure.

How do you think how you use your skills on your stuff?

You know, the compliance piece of it may be a little less.

I think we're you know, if we're we're being asked to kind of I see I the way I understand the board and kind of what the role is that kind of has a consultative you know relationship with um you know with other with other boards and agencies, and then also you know, a general promotion of history in Stanford and touching in a couple different ways, new plaques or walkways, or you know, uh helping Kendall with you know inventory and the cultural resources of the city, and so I and then also helping, you know, in I think in connection with that, for example, um, one of the charges is if we have folks that have you know potentially historically meaningful you know properties or cultural resources to kind of you know to help them or to be available to help them if if they're interested in pursuing a state, you know, state historical designation or national register designation.

So from that point of view, I think my legal compliance background, you know, maybe it could be helpful to help guide someone that's sort of like administrative law almost, okay.

You have some sort of an application process to go through a regulatory process, and you know, so we're used to regulatory processes in compliance and legal and kind of I could see that being you know one angle problem that you more you know more generally, um you know, have some interest general interest in history.

Um some interest in history around here, my father's family's lived here for almost 150 years now.

So in and about within 15 miles, plus or minus Connecticut side, Port Chester side, you know, and all over the place.

Um, in in kind of helping to recognize some of that.

So as we kind of go through everything, all the changes the city's going through, we hopefully take into account you know some of those potentially interesting things or you know, culturally important things or just little gems that make a place more interesting, and if you've ever been to Dallas or Houston, or they just like tear everything down, don't even have a plaque on what might have been there before.

So I think that's probably how I would try to help out to the extent possible.

Thanks.

I mean it, you know, in my mind, I'm also third generation, and uh my my uncle was a journalist in town, and one of his specialties was historical figures, you know, the hundred-year-old middlewake champ who passed away and take you through his biography and stuff like that.

Uh I feel as an old Stanford resident that the real damage was done in the 70s.

A lot of Stanford's history was destroyed between about 1965 and 1966.

Yeah, well, you know, saying uh a city where a lot of good architects built a lot of bad buildings.

Uh but you know, there's still is a battle to preserve certain things, like uh uh mid-century modern houses in North Stanford.

Uh there are still a few left.

They have small footprints, they don't necessarily conform to the program that a young couple who would be moving into that neighborhood might have, and then you know, boom, there goes a Paul Rudolph house, right?

Um what can the historical preservation society do to protect some of our historic structures, which may not have like the significance of being constructed during the revolutionary war, but nevertheless sort of architectural uh or design or just uh aesthetic interest.

I mean, I think with you know, one one perspective is okay, what are the limits?

I mean, we're not an approval board, we're not we don't have that kind of a we we're gonna get if I understand it correctly, referrals from ZBA on things that are 50 years or older, so it's sort of limited, and then you know, and then the other promotional kind of activities which aren't necessarily limited in terms of years.

So, just like from that perspective, though, and I thought about this a little bit.

I think there's often situations where you do have that's a little bit of the tough one.

My neighbor my neighbors have one of those, one of those homes you just described.

You know, someone just wants to tear it down, like there's not like a lot of it's either up, it's either up or it's not, right?

But there might what I do think is there are probably some situations that could occur where people just might not really be sensitive to it or be aware, or you know, through small changes in design or sensitivity, you know, you could preserve something that's really important at really no cost to anybody else.

So you're developing something, and there's a really cool facade, something that's old and they just haven't thought about it, and you you realize, well, you know, maybe you want to leave that up or put a plat by, you might even you know benefit the rentability of whatever you're or sale ability of whatever you're you're building or developing by by maintaining some of that connection to make it a little more charming or a little more significant or important.

So it's kind of like we just have like a consultative kind of role, you know, it's to maybe come in and say this is like a real important, interesting things.

Do you think you could you know move something?

It's sort of like the two feet on the garage made idea.

I mean, it's just common sense like preserve this, it doesn't really cost you anything, or cost you like a thousand bucks to change, you know, like do it, like you don't want to destroy this, it doesn't make any sense for anybody.

Right.

So I think it would be that type of a maybe trying to promote that to folks, and we're just um you know, we just have that sort of advisory type of role and point it out and you know, maybe help with that with that um help with that process to the extent possible.

Thank you.

I I said one yeah, you you mentioned a moment ago that uh correctly that the HPAC has a an advisory role and also promotional role.

Um what do you see that it that HPAC could be doing differently or more of or better to fulfill that promotional role?

Because I think there's I think there's a lot of improvement.

I'm not quite sure yet.

I would say I was definitely impressed by Kendall or she seems to be off and running on to some extent with the cultural resource inventory, which seems like a great first step, like okay, figure out exactly what's here, right?

You know, and then so I I kind of look forward to maybe talking to her a little bit more about what that entails and how you figure that out.

And it could even be with some of the data that's more easily available now, but maybe it's easier to do, and sort of someone has to walk around and look at things, it's difficult.

Um so I I think um I thought that was interesting, like the whole idea of a cultural inventory, like what's here, and then once you know what you have, you can sort of think about maybe more in depth about how to organize it or tie it together.

Let's talk about like walking paths or historical district or whatever it might be.

You know, if you identify enough things that are that are there, might be something, might be a way to do that, but first and foremost, probably figuring out exactly what we got.

Right, good point.

Good point.

I mean, to you know, to Steve's uh point about a minute ago about you know about mid-century modern homes, and you know, that are just dotted through through North Stanford.

I you know, knocking out doors, can't campaigning.

I've been in a lot of them, and they're they're they're extraordinary.

They don't always have the caches, they have the ones in U Canaan.

Um, you know, which they're they're beautiful, beautiful homes.

Um my experience people who you know who own them and live there, take enormous, take enormous pride because nobody's gonna live in a mid-century home these days unless they really want to, uh unless they really love it.

Um, and you know makes me wonder aren't there ways to just generate more pride, whether it's house, you know, house tour um uh fair or whatever it might be to um you know to help the the broad the broader public understand and appreciate um the great architectural uh buildings that we have and the Harvard Five were active in Stanford, yeah, yeah, New Caines right, but their buildings are falling down just like they are in New Cayman.

Well, the tech uh unfortunately the building techniques in that era were and um you know, and it also you know when the you know when we increase how to increase the owners' pride in their you know in their residences, they're less likely to do things to underline.

That's the kind of thing where do we have like three of them somewhere, or do you have like 30?

And if there's like 30, then you maybe uh you have an opportunity for tour district or something like that.

You could do a driving.

I mean, it could be a if that's the way to do it, it could be a driving tour, not unlike when the tourists yeah, I mean the Arboretum hasn't done this for a while, but they used to do garden tours of you know of homes, and there would be five or six sprinkled around Stanford.

You participate participants would get a map and would you know, and basically the the garden, or we were on it once um the garden was open to um uh you know to to visitors to say I think a few of them actually have I don't know if it's Frankwood right, but I think some of his college or contemporaries designed several of the ones somewhere around where I heard.

Yeah, that's the Harvard Five.

Oh, yeah, well, they don't come from they were more Philip Johnson and Magali.

Yeah, but uh yeah, I mean there's a whole bunch in the Cascade Road area, some example.

Yeah, isn't that one of Dundee?

Is that is that far with Rob is that uh Philip Johnson?

Isn't it all done date something else and I'm just looking at the Frank Sunder?

But that's district 13, we don't care about the Frank Sonar's one real front.

Yeah, yeah.

Pretty cool.

Uh we are um we uh Glennbrook has a lot of those kinds of houses, and I I like the idea of the neighborhood.

I read with Glenbrook, and um some cities have changed the street lighting to kind of make people more aware that they're in that kind of a neighborhood.

The other gym that I thought about was Richmond Hill and Mission Street.

Uh the buildings there are probably 150 years old, and still in use.

Um again, um it's uh a kind of snapshot of what life was like in Stanford many years ago.

Uh the church on the corner is uh I think it's some type of apostolic Pentecostal church, but it used to be the AV church, and before that it was the German Baptist church, and there's a cemetery across the uh uh street.

So I think that again a little lighting and a little bit of tension could help that area not become a lighted area.

And you know, again, people are people are hungry for land.

So they can buy it for dollar store prices, they'll replace it with a high high rise.

Yeah, I was just gonna say why you mentioned cemeteries because I mean we're Stanford is lots of historic cemeteries.

There's one about a third of a mile walk for my house on the um on upper high ridge road uh that has um gravestones that go well back into the mid-1700s.

Um and um a lot of them, some of them are maintained, but many of them do not, and that could be another opportunity for HMAC.

We have something going on.

There's a reference meeting for the under um under maintained or underserved uh cemetery projects of Kendall's looking something's something's in motion there.

I don't know what because I can't tell from the minutes I'm having participated yet.

Um but there's something there, and I was thinking to myself, my my wife loves old cemeteries, but she will go look at the really old, you know, pre-colonial or whatever.

Yeah, I was just thinking of it.

I'm gonna have her talk.

I'm gonna have her talk to Kendall about the cemeteries if she wants to uh you know see what's going on there, but I think there's some idea or something.

Um that it's been recognized somewhere or somebody put something in there that there was that that's our need to try to do something about that because those are um those are obviously things you want to like you don't want to drive by a really old cemetery and it's overrun and it's not respectful, and it's like the one I was talking about is really a part of the mill river, and um for those who've been in this band for a long time, it used to be houses a lot here, which we demolished, uh but the houses across the street, which are all very interesting in terms of the architect architecture.

So you know, I think that's something we that should be looked at, and it could become a very uh expensive nice community because people haven't looked at it.

I put a solid half dozen golf balls in that one on 16 at Sterling Farm.

Yeah, can't go and get it.

It's gone.

Representative.

Um thank you for stepping up to serve.

Uh there's a constituent in my neighborhood that has a home that's from the late 1700s, early 1800s, and on the on the property there is a barn that she insists is part of the underground railroad.

It had the little man with the light post.

She took me in the barn, it has a drop-down for when the carriages would come in and drop the enslaved people into it.

It has two homing pigeon structures, it's got like three wells on it.

And when I spoke to her about getting it like registered, she was like, no, no, because then they'll tell me what to do with my property.

But in my mind, this property is so valuable to our history as a country and as a city.

Um, and I'm just wondering if you have any ideas or if later you could get back to me with ideas because you mentioned incentives and things that people could do when they get registered.

I think there is like money available for people to restore, things like that.

I would really appreciate it because she is getting ready to sell the property, and if I could afford to buy it, I would replace my house and buy it just so I could make sure that it is kept in perpetuity as it you know as it is because it's so valuable to our history.

Um if you had any ideas on that.

And and the other thing I want to say is that we do there is a group in Stanford that is a part of it that goes into the uh gravesite graveyards that we have, the historical ones that cleans them up.

Like we do one that is in my district.

Um of these, these are just incredible.

Like I saw one on High Ridge that had headstones of somebody, I think it said fought in the the civil war, and you know, it's just incredible.

I will I'll have to take a look at a look at it, but I'll I'll do so.

But you know, and it might be that there aren't I don't I don't even know the answer to the question like what restrictions emerge just because you are registered.

I mean, it's like landings as a local matter, right?

I mean, I don't know that should be wrong, right?

I'm not sure like what the negative would be, but there could be I just don't I just don't know, but it'd be easy enough to find out.

Um certainly the state plaque might not be as burdensome either.

Yeah, I'm gonna follow up with you.

Okay.

All right, very well.

I can I can find any questions from the Zoom call.

Okay.

Thank you.

So thank you so much.

Thank you.

And item number eight of 32.061 for the economic development commission Lucas variable.

A new appointment.

I can like this.

Thank you.

Hello?

Welcome.

Thank you for volunteers.

Definitely recognize you can be from the Stanford.

Yeah, unfortunately.

So so good we get to appoint you to a position, I think.

Yeah.

Um so you are uh real estate, and also frankly called Stanford.

Yeah, uh commercial real estate only.

So houses, I deal with uh retailers, industrial business people, and investment uh investment uh purchasers and developers throughout Connecticut with big focus in Stanford is on Broad Street in Stanford, so right in the heartbeat of the city.

Yeah.

So you definitely know the economic pulse of Stanford, and you know what it takes to attract business policy, especially from a real place to state perspective.

Absolutely.

I know um that insight actually gives me a lot of insight to the inefficiencies and certain things that are we do, although Stanford has a lot of really good initiatives, there's a lot of inefficiencies to get businesses started and up and running uh here.

And you know, that could be trying to bring a daycare to downtown, which desperately needs one, but can't read it, can't make a parking requirement that can be we brought through CETA, it's as English as a second language school to Broad Street in the summer.

You know, we have to do a text change to get them approved on a second floor office space, right?

But you know, it's a three-month hiccup that could be a building in Stanford in the South End that has two zonings on it.

Half the building is light industrial, half the building is retail, and it's uh cost prohibitive for both the owner and a retailer to tenant that space.

Yep.

So uh those are some of the insights I can bring to to help streamline certain things.

If the economic development committee is you know pro-small business in that aspect, um other things that are concerned, sorry, right?

Uh other things that are concerned are you know uh the opacity to which uh a business needs to get all of their ducks aligned to operate here, right?

Do I have to go to zoning first?

Do I have to go to building department first?

Am I as of right?

Do I need a variance?

None of that is easy to figure out.

It's why I have a job, though.

My job is not to do that.

It becomes a service that I end up inevitably having to offer.

Right?

Yeah, just to get just to get the deal.

Yeah, these are the things you know.

I have a very good working relationship with zoning, uh, a little bit with the building department, a little bit with the fire marshal, you know, and everybody's busy.

So, you know, it nobody ever moves as quickly as you'd like them to because we're all uh accustomed to immediate satisfaction at this point.

Yeah, but uh forgive me if I haven't probably done my homework on the commission because yeah, I think you're actually the first person of issues so far in the time since we've had the second.

Yeah, second person.

It's the same answer.

Yeah, right.

Um so your your commission provides um advisory opinions, I imagine, too.

Uh city sound with that.

Yeah, and then as well as zoning as well as building and land use.

Exactly.

And and then that goes to the mayor at the end of the day, I believe, too.

Okay.

Very interesting.

And this is the board that most suits me because it provides the least potential for any conflicts of interest.

Otherwise, you know, I would love to be on the zoning board approved by my clients and business deals.

Fair enough.

Fair enough.

Fantastic.

But the touch points, oh I'm sorry, no, but the touch points uh really do coincide with so many of the aspects of what you absolutely.

Yeah, uh, I mean, I I wrote down a few things that uh they're not necessarily um uh objectives of the economic development committee right now, but could coincide or you know, like the like the HAP gentleman, where I'm a promoter of Stanford.

I view it as much as I am an advisor to Stanford.

Uh you know, something I would love to promote is that right now we have such a hypersupply of apartments where a renters-friendly market, and we're in that one unique part of the cycle where a city can boast, you know, effective rent is probably a 25% discount on market rent because there's so many apartments, they're offering two to three month concessions, payouts of a thousand dollars to fill up the Julius, and you got another 600 units.

That's a huge promotional campaign that you know the EDC should be all over right now.

Yep, right, because it's it's a kind of our prerogative to build those apartments and bring more people here uh to you know spawn more economic development.

I always think about it as um dollars cycling within a community.

The more dollars that cycle that I pay you, you pay her, she pays you.

Exactly.

That's what brings a healthy economy, and and you know, what activates healthy downtowns, uh, on a Jane Janice Jones economic subsidies, uh, is uh different groups of people using the space during the day.

So for instance, you want daycares and mobs activating the daytime plaza, and you want business people having lunch, and then you want to have a nightlife, and then you want kids during the day.

That really activates space and creates vibrancy.

Fantastic.

How good are we doing at it?

We're doing okay.

You know, my the parts oh, I would say Stanford is the economic center of the state of Connecticut.

We we're definitely gravitated towards uh New York City, obviously.

They're they're the sun and we're just one of the moons on Jupiter or whatever.

Um but we could be doing better.

I I work in a lot of the inefficiencies of that space and trying to get get people through DOM.

Okay, thank you.

Um thank you for volunteering.

Sorry, uh I want I it just came back.

Something that we do very well is um according to Ezri data, which is like an environmental statistic data.

We we have almost a one-to-one daytime uh population, meaning almost as many people are migrating out of Stanford or as migrating into Stanford day by day for work.

So it's like 0.99 to one, which just shows that there are businesses here that people are commuting to, and there's just as many leaving, but it keeps the the energy with it inbound.

You have taught me so much.

Just this little interview.

Wow.

Um you were talking about um barriers to entry in economic development.

Um what do you think that the board can do, the city can do to remove some of those barriers?

Yeah, I think um I would disband most parking requirements for the most part because the city definitely has a narrative of that business can't operate without this many parking requirements, and I think it's a little absurd for the city to say that.

If an entrepreneur believes that they can make it with this limited parking and they have a traffic flow study, they should be allowed to operate.

Um the other thing that I think you know, the the bigger picture is a stronger initiative to form base code.

Uh meaning if it sits a bit, if it fits a building requirements, we should be less stringent on the uses within it.

Um there's a medical office building uh that I used to represent at 1100 Bedford Street.

Uh a woman was a hair salon stylist, she wanted to come off on her own.

It was already non-conforming building and in uh RMF zoning, and it was 900 square feet.

Nobody would know that she's doing a hair salon there.

She wanted to go through the appropriate channels, she got denied.

They would it wouldn't get stamped by ZEO, right?

So that we we had done the we had done all of the prerequisite work.

We so there was emails that was like, yeah, we're not gonna give you the stamp of approval.

But nobody would have known, right?

It's there's a foot doctor, there's there's a medical aesthetic aesthetician in there, uh, there's all these other uses.

She's gonna open up two chairs.

Um tenant I represent is Evergreen Senior Daycare.

They do senior daycare.

Um, they're they're beautiful tenant, they they kind of operate within a church right now.

They're trying to operate somewhere else downtown, and they run into a ton of roadblocks and where they can operate what parking they need.

So I I think form-based zoning and uh and a checklist that we can give any small business operator, right?

These are your line items of initiatives of people you need to sign up to confirm with that your business can operate here, right?

It the the opacity is a is an issue.

Do I go to zoning first?

Do I go to the building department first?

Who needs to sign off there?

What happens if I have to go to the zoning board of appeals?

Right.

All of those are points of friction.

Um from your understanding, is that what this commission is gonna be doing?

No, my comment is advised.

Well, that's what I hope it to do.

Okay, we're advising for what can promote more economic development.

These are the troubles that we're experiencing every day, and these are the things you can do to change those and be more.

Everything I have been saying are the insights that I can bring the commission.

Okay.

And then um, one other thing that you said that I had never heard before was that we had a surplus of apartments.

I we always currently we always hear the opposite that we don't have enough apartments.

We have a hyper supply of apartments.

If you start looking for apartments right now in any of these new buildings, they will offer you two month concessions.

So, what is the housing that we're lacking?

The the starter homes or home.

I I can't speak to homes.

Okay, that's not just we we are uh we are a majority renters market.

Gotcha.

I can I know uh enough of the renters market the Zella development site.

Um, and if if you want to lead the conversation in that direction, uh the narrative on affordable housing as uh a form of NIMBYism is absolutely absurd.

Uh what do you mean?

When uh both both they three developments on Long Range Road were confronted.

I was on those zoning meetings.

Um I was on those zoning meetings, and the amount of people that came out saying because it was for a uh readaptive use, it was like a 20 to 30 percent affordable requirement, which is it's Stanford uh a range of units that are between 20 to 80 percent of average medium income.

They they they are provided a unit, and the narrative on what that meant to me is workforce housing.

Those are your lawnmowers, your guys that work in the factory, and people just thought they maybe brings their property value down, they thought it might stun crime, or whatever it is.

There's a very poor narrative on what affordable housing is 80% of you know, $90,000 is the average medium income.

So it's a person making 30 to 50 grand, it's a working person.

So people just don't understand the lack of education surrounding that.

And then if if apartments are empty, this is my last question, I promise.

If apartments are left empty, is there some sort of tax incentive or or anything like that?

The the crazy reason that I asked this question is that when I I closed my office in New York City during the pandemic because it was ground zero, right?

And I and I was looking to open an office either in Stanford or Norwalk, and I contacted so many people for for space.

I think I was looking for like I don't know, 3,000 square feet.

Um and I had I had buildings that were complaining that they were empty, just not even calling back.

I just could not understand that.

And then I'm just a question on the tax tenants.

Is there a tax incentive or a tax rebate when an office building is not filled?

In other words, do you do you get some kind of rebate for the amount of apartments or offices that are entered in the city?

So uh a motivation to not rent a space is usually a financial contingency, meaning they have it appraised with their bank that a space is worth this, and it costs more uh to lease it to you at a lesser rate uh because the bank is going to reappraise it, say it's not worth this, you owe us this much money to meet some sort of uh appraisal ratio or debt service coverage ratio.

That's the incentive, it's not a tax incentive, it's a it's a way they're paying their debt.

If you're if that is the case, uh generally all you know, I'm not an office guy, I don't really touch it, I don't like it.

Um I'm not polished enough for it.

I put on my shirt for you guys.

I usually wear industrial boots and walk factories if I can.

Um they have uh such a high cost of build out, depending on what the space is, even that the economics for office space has proved awful.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for so for the offering to some.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Professor Linda?

Yeah, I'm I'd like you to clarify on this statement about a hyper supply of apartments for sure.

locked factories if I can uh but uh they're they have uh such a high cost of build out depending on what the space is even that the economics for office space has proved to be awful thank you so much thank you for so for offering to thank you thank you Professor Lando yeah I I'd like you to clarify in this statement about you know about a hyper supply of other apartments for sure it's is that because of um many apartments coming on stream and at the same at the same time that's it that's so it's a it's sort of a it's literally a bubble it's a it's a slow it's a supply bomb and that eventually that comes down and they're used and they're using these these effective discounts to to work trying to fill their space to work that to work that that that mouse through the snake yeah exactly they gotta pay they gotta pay their piper right everybody's gotta pay somebody right so it's not it's it I don't want I don't want to I don't want us to get the the the false impress what sounds like a false impression that it's a chronic oversupply of no no of rental space it really is just the timing of when things come on stage it's it's also real estate is the most it's so cyclical right I mean it in and it takes time to bring this many people to a place.

I mean if you if you want to count them you got a hundred you have 400 units coming on broad street you have 400 units coming on Clinton Clinton have so that's 800 units in downtown alone.

Mill River Park just put on another hundred units so you know Stanford's 1370 people it's concentrated to let's say 70% 700 8000 below mill uh below bullshead I mean you're talking about a one to two percent increase in people and population just on the on the dense you know city section yeah it just takes time but it's not I I think it's a it it's something that New Rochelle did was they promoted during uh COVID that were like hey our rents didn't increase as fast because we had so much supply and I think that's something to to boast when when the narrative is we have an affordability crisis so no a question of completely different subject so I'm um so I'm hypothesizing that um one of the biggest drivers of economic development of the city over the next however many years can be um the growth of UConn Stanford um not just in terms of uh it becomes bigger there more students more students living in you know downtown increasing street life and if you said velocity money and spending then spending money and so forth um but it's also the entrepreneurial um uh ventures yeah that um that a growing university like yukon Stanford can throw off um and I'd love to hear you know do my smoke and dope or do you I think or or or is there is there validity to no that hypothesis there's absolutely to that um and I actually think it'll be a private sector that probably uh lights the lights the gasoline on fire for that entrepreneurial spirit um but that's exactly the case for New Haven right it's Yale Yale incubates into call it Greenwich Capital right that's a huge that's a major economic channel that funds it the businesses start and and then it thrives that's part of our our greater MSA um and I think you can Yukon sits quite well in that entire in that entire system um stores that's probably the one of the most successful regional real estate uh uh degrees of any state of any uh university not just state university in the Northeast okay thank you excellent any questions on Zoom call Mr.

Severo any further questions okay thank you so much for thank you so much to meet you and finally item number nine alpha 32 point zero six two on direct administration and the Romano is replacing Ben Bonds I think about first city city uh point uh Mr Well so first city appointment uh when we uh Leah became the interim I think we have to do the interview um I didn't I don't think so we didn't need to because she was in board and you have first right it already in the interview maybe that was on in a different capacity well she had to for economic to it right so yeah you know well this is it's a bit different we have to have to also different questions I guess this is the cabinet position um what will be your top priorities as manager direct to the city of stuff my top priorities um uh a few things um uh well let's talk financial um um getting our audit in on time for fiscal year twenty six yeah I mean that that's a major priority um retaining our triple A rating um to uh to help reduce interest rates when we uh issue uh geo bonds um financially

My top priorities.

A few things.

Let's talk financial.

Getting our audit in on time for fiscal year 26.

I mean that's a major priority.

To uh to help reduce interest rates when we uh issue uh geo bonds.

Um financially and internally, I uh to have a cohesive work environment, uh to be able for an employee to have all the resources available um at their fingertips, uh, to have uh various departments able to to collaborate with one another, you know, without any conflict.

Um having an environment where a person can uh be able to say, hey, I have a task and and I don't uh I need help, you know, but I'll get rid of you.

Um you know stuff like that.

Thanks.

Yeah, thanks.

And you are you in the C that 18 years to have a lot of experience in the city.

Yes.

Too much.

Excellent.

And uh talk to us about the ELP because you're in charge of the LP for the city of South ERP program the change, right?

We just went to the Oracle, is that right?

We went to Oracle or a few years back.

Um the prior uh director of administration, uh Sandy Denise uh spearheaded that, and I was a uh a key subject area in certain portions of it.

So I was uh and I still am responsible for the budget module, uh budget control, uh charter accounts, uh the project sub ledger.

Yeah, I'm in charge of uh uh workflow with services and the duties, um, stuff like that.

Um very proud of uh you know, we created the chart of accounts and uh we kind of mimic what the state wanted us to do, even though it wasn't a requirement.

Um those numbers that you see in the budget book, you know, they they were all developed within OPN and through the OPM team.

I work in the Yuppie industry on how difficult it's set up the chart of accounts properly, is it?

Yes, go ahead, first of the system is functioning very well now.

Well, do you still have a lot of delivered to the it's functioning a lot better than it did a couple of years ago?

Um we still um have some implementation to do.

Our cash receipts still need to be implemented.

Um retainage and in the project world, we're still doing manually, and that needs to be implemented.

Um we still have some tweaks to do.

Um we decided not to use the Oracle budget system.

We decided to uh form that out to another vendor, and um we're in the process of implementing that as well.

Fantastic.

Uh yeah, I just uh if my memory starts correct, excuse me, correct one of the one real uh one of the real problems particularly for with the audits revolver in grants accounting, yes.

Um those of fine.

So how has that um has that gotten better?

Are you satisfied with where it with the state of grants accounting now?

What needs what's still if not what still needs to be done?

Uh what's the time horizon?

Sure.

So um there's still work that needs to be done in uh grants accounting, and in my view, they um they don't have a centralized uh software system to capture all the grants, and we have plenty of as you all know.

And um, you know, so we need to do that.

Um we're in the process, and yeah, we actually started this a couple weeks ago is to create a temporary in-house system to to help them manage all their grants that are signed projects and even the ones that are they're trying to achieve.

Um, but that that's a work in progress.

Um there's some work that still needs to be done there.

What do you ask to make is the time horizon for getting that work?

Um so you've got a system you're proud of.

I'd say within um three to six months, we probably have an internal system developed.

Um but you gotta remember it, it's um you know, there's some collaborations that need to be done, and we have to uh sit with the grants department and um figure out what their needs are and and what reports that they need to report to the state and and to our auditors.

Um and that's that's gonna be short term, but that I believe that'll be our quickest solution to to help them help the grants department out, but then long term we want to get away from in-grown systems because it's not feasible feasible to maintain a homegrown system.

That makes sense.

Yeah, makes sense.

Yeah, so I I just want to go through uh the status of the different audits.

Um June 30th, 2024 is done.

That is complete.

Okay, FYE 630 2025 is no, we're we're at the tail end.

Um we originally had a date of the end of this month, and um we were thinking that we're uh uh another two weeks, we'll have some uh draft audits to present.

Um we still have a few items that um the auditors are requesting.

Um was a late request, so we're in the process of uh getting that information to them.

So it all depends on this last uh item that they need.

Okay.

So realistically, maybe by end of third, end of September.

Uh we're hoping or is that two for we're hoping that we'll have something as I all of the world want to have some for the next for the next board of finance meeting.

But that's that's our hope.

But again, we have this one item that's okay.

And what's the prognosis for FYE 63026?

Um I believe we'll get that one in on time.

And on time is uh I'm not sure if it's February, February 21st.

I think it conflict with the WPCA or but uh I believe we'll get that in on time.

We look we we're we already started working on all the documentations that uh for the 26 audit.

All right, we I know that you know we have an LPM with the uh with the sub ledger for projects where you started doing the uh um asset assignments and all that stuff, and um I know the PCA has um a bunch of I was able to have a bunch of documents ready to submit to the auditors once we're ready to start that process.

And and who's the independent auditor now?

RSM.

Oh standard.

Um I'm not sure where they're at.

I don't think it's Stanford though.

Okay, but they're uh I mean they're they're definitely at the at the top of the of the major firms.

Yeah, we'll I'm a retired kidney.

But yeah, so um we're um I believe this is their second one that we've done.

So this yeah, third.

No, don't quote me on that.

But okay, yeah.

So they're familiar with our process.

They painfully they went through because when we went from our old system to the new system, they were with us, and that was a painful year.

And in the in the in the project plan for the FYE 630 26 audit.

Do you anticipate that you'll need to use supplemental staff?

Well, you've had to use that yes, our plan is to use supplemental staff to uh through RSM or uh otherwise.

CLA, which was our whole audit.

Okay.

Um we actually had that conversation today about do we want to still use them?

And um I don't want to risk being late in the end.

Um it's um I mean if you do a Google search, so city is Stanford, and uh and you put in financials and general obligation bonds, you you get financially more sound, you know, the no issues, and then you get this little thing on the bottom is they're always late on the big credibility issue.

Yes, and um it's um it's a risk of losing a triple A.

We don't want to be in that position.

Okay, all right, thank you.

Any further questions?

Any questions from the Zoom call, Ms.

Romano?

Okay, thank you so much.

Thank you, Brandon.

Sounds like you may go that way.

Yeah, thank you.

Thanks for sitting through all our crazy.

Honestly, we make great talk.

That was way better than we have done in the pots.

Okay, so let's get to the vote.

Um, this should be should be easy.

We've got so I propose a motion to approve item number one, Alpha 32.045 for the environmental protection board, Laura Tessia.

Do I have a second?

Okay, any discussion?

Let's move to our vote.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any against any abstentions?

Okay, so there are eight of us, so that would be eight zero zero.

The motion passes.

Moving on, item number two, alpha 32.055, the environmental protection board, Thomas Romus.

I propose a motion to approve Mr.

Romus.

Second.

Any discussion?

Oh well.

I don't think you can make a motion.

I saw move.

I apologize.

I so apologize.

Saved by the mail.

And does your second still apply?

Coach.

I second.

Fantastic.

Any discussion?

Mr.

Romus.

Okay, let's move on to our vote.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any against?

Any abstentions?

The motion passes.

800.

Moving on out for it number three, Alpha 32.056, the environmental protection board, Joseph Todd Gambino.

I propose a motion to thank you very much.

Any discussion on Mr.

Gambino?

Okay, moving to our vote.

All those in favor, Mr.

Gambino, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any against any abstentions?

Motion passes 800.

Item number four point zero five seven.

Parking violations hearing officer George Legiensi.

I propose a motion to approve Mr.

Legirasi.

So moved.

Second.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, moving on to our vote.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Any against?

Any abstentions?

Motion passes 800.

Item number five, alpha 32.058 is only board of appeals.

Rena Silaldi.

Silidi.

Proposed motion to approve Ms.

Lalvi.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, move on to the vote.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any against?

Any abstentions?

Motion passes.

Item number six, Alpha 32.059 for the zoning board of appeals.

Enter Nikai.

I propose a motion to approve Mr.

Kai.

So any discussion on Mr.

McConnell.

There we go.

Uh move on to our vote.

All those in favor, Mr.

McKay, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any against any abstentions?

The motion passes 800.

Congratulations.

And item number seven for the historic preservation advisory commission, Alpha 32.060, I should say.

Stephen Cohen.

I propose a motion to approve Mr.

Cohen.

Second.

Second.

Any discussion, Mr.

Cohen?

Moving on to the vote.

All those in favor of approve, Mr.

Cohen, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any against any abstentions?

Motion passes.

800.

Item number eight, Alpha 32.061.

Economic Development Commission, Lucas Severo.

I propose to approve Mr.

Severo.

And a second.

Beautiful.

Any discussion, Mr.

Severo?

I was really impressed with it.

Me too.

Break out.

Very good energy.

Good idea.

In that in that area, that's very good.

I was also very impressed.

Okay.

In which case, um to vote.

All those in favor of approving Mr.

Severo, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any against any abstentions?

Motion passes 800.

And finally, item number nine, alpha 32.062, Director of Administration, Anthony Romano.

I propose to approve Mr.

Romano.

Second.

Beautiful.

Any discussion?

Great guy.

Excellent, ma'am.

Excellent.

Okay.

I don't know why he wants that job, but great guy.

Get the auditor on time.

Okay, all those in favor of approving Mr.

Romano, please say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Any abstentions?

Motion passes 800.

Fantastic.

I propose a motion to uh adjourn our meeting.

So the second.

Second.

Beautiful meeting adjourned, 8.25 p.m.

Thank you so much, everybody.

Under two hours.