We have everyone.

We do.

Okay.

The uh zoning board hearing um is resuming.

It's now uh 9 12 p.m.

on October 20th.

And um why don't we continue with um questions from the board?

Um attorney K.

Case you you did complete your uh presentation, right?

We have, Mr.

Chairman.

Okay, good.

Um would you like to start?

Sure, right?

Very interesting uh application we have here before us.

Uh a couple things.

Uh Mr.

Kase made a statement in Durham's presentation, which I found very interesting.

He said that uh that they're overparked, and that's a good thing.

Why is that a good thing?

It's a good thing because there won't be any problem in terms of parking for the residents or the guests, and I would note for the record that most of the parking is taking place interior, that is either in the garage at the apartment building or in the garages uh in the townhouses.

There's very little surface parking, which frankly uh underscores the point uh made by Derek before that we've greatly reduced the impervious uh surface on the parcel.

But why do you feel you need uh to be overparked?

Are our parking regulations too low now?

No, they're not.

Uh, but we believe that uh in the interest of uh making sure there's adequate parking, we've been able to provide spaces that exceed what is required, not because uh we think there's an issue, but because we feel uh we've not only complied with your regulations, but we've more than satisfied them.

And how overparked is it?

What is the actual number that is overparked?

Well, in the RMF district, uh there are um 294 spaces required, and we are providing 300.

In uh the RM1 district, the total parking required is 135, and we're providing 174.

But that includes, Mr.

Morris, uh the interior garage spaces and the tandem space that's allowed in the driveway under your regulations.

So there's very few spaces that are outside of the buildings themselves or the driveway to the uh units in the RM1 district.

So the the reason I asked the question is because it's appears recently that we we've received we've viewed several applications which make the same statement.

They're overparked.

It seems to be a tendency to seem to be coming out.

I'm just curious why all of a sudden for years we spent time we had too many parking places and it cost too much.

Now we're overparking.

I just find it interesting.

I think frankly, as uh one of the reasons is that many of the applications that have come before the board and have asked for reductions in parking are either very close to the transportation center or in the urban core where there are other parking uh facilities available and other means of transportation more readily available.

I think when you start to move into this district, uh it's prudent uh to have met your requirements, not seek a reduction, and to the extent we have a few extra spaces, we think that's a bonus for the residents, we think it's a bonus for the neighborhood, and we think it's a bonus for the community.

Interesting.

The um regarding your your your traffic study, your your uh traffic impact study.

Um, you know, I read your study and then I read you know the documents we got from TTP, and it just there seems to be a lot of concern at TTP that the streets aren't wide enough, there's not enough sidewalks, a lot of issues.

Are you gonna be able to deal with all these I'm I'm led to believe by our team, and I'll I'll pass the baton to Kimberly that we can easily address the issues that have been raised by TTP.

Street widening the addition, I mean they're asking for a lot of stuff.

I I just find it, yeah.

Okay, we'll go to your traffic person.

I guess or in uh excuse me, this is Derek Donet from D'Andrea.

Let me just interject real quick because we just had a uh site meeting with Luke uh Buttonweezer out there to review he had requests about um uh improvements along both Barrie Place and Melrose Place Um in regards to the sidewalks, and we looked at different things, uh, whether it was conflicts out there or things that would work well, and we've come to an agreement regarding uh what um he believes is best that would suit this neighborhood regarding like where sidewalks should be.

Um, and so we are in process of working out a design with him uh regarding that.

Um, and he didn't seem to have any major issues or say it's um you know you can't uh you can't do this project.

Uh so yep.

Go ahead.

But he he's talking about widening streets also, is he not?

Well, he's talking about making sure you have travel lanes.

Uh not so much was he widening streets.

I know he mentioned uh streetscape improvements such as uh the sidewalks curving, drainage we talked about in the field.

Um and I think it had to do with uh uh just making sure the travel lanes were wide enough, but it um overall he was very uh you know uh happy with uh uh what we spoke about in the field.

So that's one where it's an ongoing design uh with him that he wanted those improvements done prior to uh occupancy.

And so that's why uh we'd be happy to make that a condition of approval because we think it's uh obtainable, and that's where we would be working with him on those for the final design.

All right, but you you don't have a list of things which you're going to have to do to meet his requirements, do you?

Uh nothing written down.

I can tell you on Barry Place, we talked about changing the um uh we had a crosswalk that goes midway through the street because of some conflicts in front of the Innis Arden area, and he talked about uh extending the curbing out into the street a little bit so that we could fit the sidewalk in front of Innes Arden.

Um, you know, keeping their landscaping and staying in front of the polls end so that way we'd have the crosswalk at the street corner.

Um so that would be a benefit on Barry Place.

And uh Melrose Place, he talked about um a sidewalk over there going from uh down towards um uh Fairfield Avenue.

But he went far beyond just a sidewalk, right?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's talking about bump outs, he's talking about a lot of people.

He says construction here, yeah.

He says he wants Melrose Place to be rebuilt.

Right.

You correct not just put in sidewalks.

Correct, yes.

And it it's funny because it was actually just paved like a few weeks ago.

Um, but yes, that would involve new alignments of where the curbing would be, the sidewalk, street drainage.

Uh we reviewed this all with him in the field, and we're willing to commit to those um uh to his conditions.

Uh we came to an agreement in the field regarding what we think would be the best layout.

That'll still be an ongoing process finalizing the design, but we have no issues with this comment regarding those streetscape improvements.

So you'll where he says applicant will develop a plan for the reconstruction to be reviewed and approved by the city.

That's fine with you guys.

Correct.

Yeah, but David, we're gonna get a chance to see that.

Yeah, right.

Before they're just talking about doing this prior to CO.

Right.

No, we the way it's written, we will not get a chance to see it all.

Um that's a good question.

Is that something we should see?

Um, I mean, maybe that should be coming back to the board as well.

Uh rebuilding Melrose Place?

What are we gonna comment on?

Um, I was gonna say the the whole design will take the design more time than you think because it involves like a topographic survey of the area.

So it's uh it's an in-depth design, but we've worked out kind of the concepts with him um regarding how it should be laid out that would satisfy his comments.

So we have no problem working with Luke to satisfy it.

Um but I don't know if it can be done before like a next hearing or immediately time.

No, no, no.

We wouldn't have to approve it before approving the no, you can the applicant can come back to the board after it's we've approved an application um for an additional approval.

That's that's certainly done on a occasional basis.

But I'm just David, I'm wondering what would we comment on?

I mean, this this is something that transportation department has requested and has specific things that they want done.

If they approve it would be away, no, what is the difference between that something like this and it the application we were just hearing before we're talking about making sure that the building department was in a line with the uh um for the elderly, make sure it was me.

I mean, what is it why why is it so different?

You know, Roseanne, we in our approval, we approve all of the plans.

If this had come, if this had been done already and had been part of the plans that came to us, we would have to review it and approve it as part of our approval.

So the fact that it comes after we approve the application means we don't look at it.

Uh we don't usually look at um like when we require applicants to rebuild intersections and whatnot.

We don't look at those.

Sure.

It's in the plans we get.

It's when you no, they're never in the plans we get.

They're never in the plans we get.

This is a city street.

I I mean it's fine.

I just don't know what we would question when I don't know.

It's a it's a good question.

Uh well, we can deal with that down the line, I guess.

Um you have any uh any any what you can show us tonight.

Renderings of the buildings you're putting up.

I'd like to see the difference between the uh department style housing and the uh townhouse style housing.

Yes, okay, and I think uh we have submitted those uh to the board.

Um in fact we had renderings prepared uh and submitted last week.

Uh if uh can you see my screen at this point?

Yes, I can, but uh I was hoping you had more than I see those I saw, so you have something a little more well.

Why don't you run through what you've got?

Yeah, show what you got.

Well, this is the entrance into the site with uh townhouses uh toward Barry Place on either side with the driveway with the apartment building at the rear or westerly side uh of the project.

Um west, the apartment building.

Uh these are renderings of the apartment building itself.

And if I can, I can find some new renderings that were prepared by uh our architect.

Um just a little bigger, please if that's possible.

Much better.

Thank you.

Yeah, these are the ones that were in our packs, right?

Yes.

No, you you had mentioned garages for the apartments.

Where the where's that?

Let me pull up some of the other uh renderings from our architect.

Ravi, do you have those?

Bill, do you mean garages for the townhouses or garages for these big apartment buildings?

The apartment department.

Well, most of them are underground.

Yeah, it's under there's a driveway that goes to the rear of this building, and there's a driveway that goes down under the building for the parking.

Okay, I was unaware of that.

It was if I can go back to the apartment building is in the basement.

If I can go back to Rob, the exhibit that uh Derek was using, you can see this driveway goes down here and under the building, and that's how you get into the garage for the apartments.

And how many floors are parking?

Just one or is it more than one?

Just one.

Okay.

May I ask a well, you Bill, you want to go through the rest of the case.

No, go ahead.

Okay, follow-up.

You're on the same thing.

Go ahead.

I have a question about the number of spaces.

Can you show us?

You said that there's a total of 300 spaces for the apartments.

Yes.

230.

231 of them are on the lower level of the building.

I and you so show us that, please.

Ravi, do you have the lower level drawings?

No, not in front of me, but I can connect to the office and pull those out if we need to.

Okay.

In the meantime, while Robbie is doing that.

Can you show us the 69 um surface lot spaces?

Most of them are right uh on the northerly portion shown here on this exhibit with a few up front.

I couldn't find where up front.

Yeah, I couldn't find 69 spaces.

That was well, maybe I did.

Um you have a plan that shows those though, right?

Yes, yes.

And this is Derek Donet from D'Andrea again, where uh attorney Kikase was pointing to the front of the building there.

There's uh 15 spaces proposed where the drop-off is uh in that area by the entrance.

I'm still not seeing it.

Maybe we could make it a little bigger.

Uh let me uh let me share my screen.

I think it might be a little bit clearer, okay?

Sure.

All right, yeah.

The the it's just a little clearer here.

Um can you all see my screen now?

Yeah, yes.

Okay, so in the front here, the drop-off area, you'll see some spaces on both sides of the entrance as well as on the back side of this island here in front of the entrance.

And that's that's a tool.

That's the tenant parking.

Uh guest tenant.

Um, I'd say the probably the front would be your drop off visitor parking.

Uh, would be my guess.

Um, and then you'd have I'd assume most tenants would want to park underneath the in the garage area.

That would probably fill up first with additional, probably in the uh exterior lot to the north.

So you have 15 in the front area, and then you have uh the exterior lot to the north has what's that 69 minus 15?

So that's uh uh 54 spaces up here.

Including the including uh they are on the uh the civil plans, not on the landscape plan, but on the civil, the zoning location survey also shows them numbered.

The site plans show them numbered, and that's also where we have the EV spaces and additional ADA spaces.

Okay, you want to pull that up, please.

Hold on, I don't have it on this laptop.

Sorry, I was just using this uh um exhibit here.

So for next meeting, just give us give us show it.

Sure.

I was gonna say I will get it on this laptop momentarily.

If you have other questions, I will bring it up while you guys are talking about something else, okay?

And I'll come back to you.

Yeah.

All right.

I will stop sharing unless you want to still see this screen for anything.

Other questions.

I know why you have the screen.

Can you show me where the rain garden is?

Sure.

It's these blue areas up top here to the north of that northern parking area here.

There's uh rain gardens uh in between the playground and the parking lot, all along the the top edge here.

Okay.

Now what's that blue area that's down on the southern yeah, the southern area down here?

Yeah, these are uh like Coltex, they're subsurface retention systems down here.

Same thing for water quality treatment.

Okay.

All right, thanks.

Um, Bill, why don't you uh I'm going on my notes here and uh the the ring on the um oh and that in the calculations for the number of uh BMR requirements.

We've certainly submitted it to staff, and I assume uh it's right.

Uh it's it's actually pretty simple uh for the large building.

Uh there are 201 units, and 20 would be designated as BMRs with uh the fee in lieu paid for the point one uh that isn't covered, and in the 60 townhouses, the 10% would be six of the townhouses uh would uh be required, and it's 10%.

Uh I would note uh that although in the RMF district providing 20 affordable units could give rise to the bonus, which is in your regulations for 40 additional units, but we didn't apply for that.

We are willing to live with a requirement for the as-of-right dwelling units.

Um that's it for me for now, Dave.

Let the other board members uh dig a little deeper and trees and stuff like that.

Just just to piggyback on Mr.

Morris's question, uh I would point out that it is our hope that the townhouses would be ownership units and be sold, and that would create six affordable ownership units, which I don't believe is very common with many of these projects.

And what and they're all three bedrooms, that correct?

Correct.

Okay, thanks.

All right, Dave.

But could we go back?

Um sorry, uh David.

Uh uh, Mr.

Stein.

Um, I brought up that uh that plan.

So if I can share screen, I can show you the numbered parking spaces just to uh close that issue if you don't mind.

Yeah, go ahead, please.

Sure.

Uh hold on.

Okay, here we go.

So this is the zoning location survey that was submitted into the city.

So uh um, can you guys see the front driveway entrance area here where my cursor's circling?

And so you see the numbers with the circle around them.

So you have uh seven spaces on this side of the island, and then including these handicapped spaces uh going uh north here.

That's a total of 15.

And then what is the I'm sorry, what is the required number for uh the apartment?

Um building if attorney cake can answer that.

I don't have that at the top of my head.

Mike.

135 spaces 135 are required, and 300 are being provided.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Total parking required.

It's 294.

294.

I would I was I was reading the RM1 district.

It's 294, and we're providing 300.

Okay.

That means some of those 15 in the front could be used for would be used for tenants, right?

That gives you six to spare.

Uh well, the between 294 and 300.

Yes, but they're the required.

This is Derek Donay again.

The required number of parking spaces include spaces for both tenants and visitor.

That comes in the the total.

Okay.

So we're only we, you know, out of 300 spaces, we're only six overparked for the uh apartment building.

Uh, this parking lot to the north, you'll see the circle numbers here.

That shows the remaining of the 69 there.

The reason why we were so overparked as attorney cake mentioned before with the townhouses, only had to do with the tandem spaces.

You know, you have two car garages, as soon as you all put a tandem space in front, then it's uh you get in three units, which is overparked, but that just gives uh the little pull-in area more comfortable uh for those units.

So that's why you end up with the uh uh the overpark, the excessive parking for the townhouse units.

It's not that the you know, and we're not providing like a ton of extra exterior spaces, it's just the tandem parking that makes it go over so much.

Okay, so the the 69 surface will be um tenant spaces, and the ones in the garage are tenant spaces.

Um, as you know, our ranks say they should be unassigned, so it'll be first come, first served.

I don't know the answer to that.

That would be comply with whatever the regulations are.

Okay.

Um why don't you uh do we have any idea back when this was fully functioning?

Um industrial site, how many employees worked here?

Off the top of my head, I don't know the answer to that.

Um, and it depends on which use it was, if it was the light manufacturing by Pitney Bowes or the uh storage space and warehouse space that was used uh by both the production facility and or conair, together with some offices, uh, I don't know.

Uh, but I can tell you that one of the things the city had us look at and encouraged us to pursue uh was to mark the site as an Amazon fulfillment site, which uh would have had a lot of workers and a lot of trucks uh that could have gone there, and if the property remained in an MG industrial, most intense industrial district, uh it certainly uh could promote uh a lot of traffic.

Uh and I think it are our people from SLR use standard uh guidelines in terms of how many people would be in a building that could be built there to compare it to uh what's being proposed here, and their conclusion was that there was no adverse impact from converting this to residential development of this size.

Um I know most of the um uh most of the surface is paved.

Are are we taking down any mature trees?

Uh this is Derek Donay.

I can speak to that again.

Um and let me show you.

I'll put up the existing conditions.

There's nothing really here.

There might be, I think there's a couple of trees in the front that might be mature that are coming down, uh, and those will be replaced with obviously all the uh the landscaping around the townhouses, along with um all new street trees um going in the uh the city right-of-way here.

So we'll have a row of street trees here, which will be a benefit.

The only real mature trees on this site, I think there might be one or two down by the in its arden, and they're really up by the railroad area, which is an area that's not being touched.

There's really nothing, there's not much at all mature out on this site.

Okay.

Um usually ask about building materials, but I'm not sure.

I don't think we probably anything you want to point out about building materials for especially the townhouses.

The townhouses at Hardybor and AZAC Trimborg.

And the apartment building is already bored with a brick at the lower level.

Well, show us the rendering, just to point that out, please.

Yeah, but I thought uh Mr.

Gase have all the files on there, but yeah, I'm trying to put down it's not working so big a file.

So this is a rendering that Robbie is talking about with the brick on the lower level and the upper floors uh with a variety of shades to the color to give it some architectural articulation, and we've worked with staff to make it uh as pleasant and attractive as possible.

Um then I have a very different question.

If the um townhouses are uh hopefully going to be home ownership, that means it'll be some type of condominium association, I assume.

And um, so then are you going to subdivide the property into like two different um ownerships?

Like I don't know how it would work with the condominium association in the front and rental units in the back.

Well, there are a variety of ways to handle that, and frankly, uh, as the project, if it's approved, uh goes forward, uh, those issues will be addressed.

I do not expect that there will be a subdivision of the property, uh, but instead uh there might be separate units created on the land itself, so that one unit is the townhouses, and the other unit is the apartment building, and within the townhouses, they might have their own condominium association for the 60 units.

Uh so I don't expect there to be uh a subdivision because frankly, uh that would affect the rights to pass and repass over uh the two parcels, etc.

But this is easily addressed by any good real estate lawyer.

Okay.

Um I think that's it for now.

Okay.

Jerry, you're on.

Yes, thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Good evening, attorney case.

How are you tonight?

I'm well.

How are you?

Good, thank you.

Uh I just looked up uh uh the advocate reported that building looked as if demolished that nearly referred on buried place as holding a house 400 um employees on that site.

So I think Roseanne, that was a question you asked earlier.

Someone addressed that.

Um a few questions.

Um it looks like Robbie, it looks like it's three stories on that apartment building.

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

And um sorry.

Four apartment and four stories.

Four floors.

Okay.

And downhouses are three floors.

And I gotta tell you that the uh the um the presentation was spot on.

Thank you again, attorney Cacase.

It was a great team, and you're always so so prepared for these things.

It's it's really a pleasure when hearing your applications.

Um question I had for you, and if you would elaborate just a little bit, you said something that was um very interesting.

You said with this development, it would assist in uh reducing some of the heavy truck traffic or large vehicle traffic, and that that is something I know in that area very, very well coming down through the water side over Pulaski Street Bridge.

Everybody knows that cut through from Greenwich through large, large heavy equipment.

How it's can you elaborate on that a little bit?

Because that would really be appreciated because I know um canvassing that area uh this time of year and talking to the neighbors, that has always been a big concern with that heavy traffic coming through there.

And I think it would be interesting to get that on record and for the public to hear that.

Thank you, Mr.

Bozak.

I think it's an important question, and I think we need to just go back in history a little bit, and much of the land that abutted the railroad tracks was zoned industrially, uh, all through the city of Stamford near the tracks, whether it was the main line and even uh the trunk line that goes to New Canaan.

Uh what is unique about this site is that the properties along the train tracks to our east are accessed from Fairfield Avenue away from the residential development, except for this parcel.

If this parcel is kept as an industrial property and is used as an industrial use, it promotes truck traffic, and the only ingress and egress to this site is Barry Place and Melrose.

Uh and the number of trucks from a warehouse or industrial facility uh can be quite large, and the impact on the neighborhood changes it from a more residential uh neighborhood to an industrial or commercial neighborhood.

Uh and that was true with Conair, it was true with Pitney Bowes, and there have been other users that have looked at this, as I mentioned, uh the city even considered it as a site for uh school buses, which quite honestly I think is inappropriate for that neighborhood.

Yep.

Great.

And then the question, Robbie, and maybe this is a question for you.

Those patios are those facades, those patios, what are they that are depicted?

Are they just which building you're looking at?

What was that?

Which which building you're talking about?

Are the balconies or the balconies?

The patios are true patios or any other rendering, or did I did not see that properly?

No, the apartment building each unit have a balcony.

Okay.

So it's just it's just and there's a common common open space patio on the first floor ground level.

Okay, perfect.

And um what was the other piece?

Um the last thing.

Wetlands, uh, since we're so close to the shore over there.

Uh any any restrict you're talking about developing uh the parking garage.

What's what is that is that an over concern, you know, in that area with the wetlands.

How does that all work with EPA and all the kind of EPB and stuff?

Uh yeah, go ahead, Mike.

Um with our presentation to the uh EVB commission.

There was no concerns regarding the wetlands.

Uh as far as the the parking and stuff, they're not right adjacent to the wetlands.

Um there's uh you know, some space between them.

Um there's a buffer area, there's plantings, there's uh, you know, there's some separation there between uh the development and the wetlands area.

So there weren't any issues.

Any issues at all.

Okay, perfect.

I think that's it, Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you so much.

Thank you very much, Tony Kase.

Thank you, Mr.

Bozar.

Um, okay.

I think a lot of my questions have been covered, but um just I see you have um for the bicycle parking, the class A and the class B.

You have um the required number of spaces.

Um this may be well.

Let me just ask.

Um, our regs now require um e-bike parking and charging facilities.

Do you have those?

No, I uh Ravi.

Yeah, I don't think we have e-bike parking separated than the regular bike parking.

What are the charging facilities that you're providing?

Uh we have not decided on that yet.

Okay.

Um, why don't you um take a look at that and and come back the next meeting with some detail on that?

Sure.

So e-bike parking and charging facilities are required.

Okay.

Um let's see, on the EV.

Um EV spaces are supposed to be um the closest to the entrance.

Is that uh something that's been done?

Yeah, they're all in the basement.

So well, just click the I think that's not exact.

That's not exactly true, Robbie.

There's some on the surface lot as well.

Um so are those closest to the entrance.

Yes.

Can you show me?

Can we pull up that um what existing site or can you pull up the site?

Yeah, let me uh this is Derek Dona.

Let me share screen again.

I'll put up my uh zoning location survey again.

They are hold on.

All right, so the EV spaces for let's see, I'll start with the the town.

Yeah, first I'll go townhouse.

So the townhouse units, all the garages are wired for it.

So they're all obviously closest to it.

And then there's a two EV spaces in the uh the parking lot over here.

One's uh ADA and one is a regular spaces there for the apartment building complex, as Ravi had mentioned.

The majority of them are all are on the um uh excuse me, on the subsurface uh lower level garage area.

So that's obviously as close to the building as you can get.

The um and well, that's true.

Actually, it may not be.

You'd have to you'd have to bring up that one if it's closest to the elevator or not.

I don't know the answer to that.

We can bring that up.

We'll take a look at that next.

Let's start with the surface.

The surface ones put your put your cursor on the entrance to the building.

Sure.

The main entrance right is right here.

Okay.

This this would be the like not so much uh for residents, but for maybe some visitors or you know, it's like more of like a drop-off area.

All the people that are really parking here would be either going down to the garage or the surface lot.

the elevator or not i don't know the answer to that we can bring it to look at we'll take a look at that next let's start with the surface the surface ones are you put your put your cursor on the entrance to the building sure the main entrance right is right here okay this this would be the like not so much uh for residents but for maybe some visitors or you know it's like more of like a drop off area all the people that are really parking here would be either going down to the garage or the surface lot um and on this surface lot we have them lined up on the back side here so on the northern part here which is adjacent to the walkway to the uh to the entrance here we did that so that we didn't have to have all of the um uh because there are some uh easements that go through here there's a uh both drainage and sewer easements that are right through that's what all these dashed lines are going through here so we didn't want to put anything in the easement area and then that also prevents it from having all those pedestals right in the middle of the parking where they get hit so we instead we put them up here adjacent to the walkway to the building where then they can be protected because they're off in like the the the grass area adjacent here we have no parking that's right up against the building yep I understand that the thinking but they do need to comply so um they they do need to get moved closer okay we can look into that uh to see if we can find better you know what I guess we feel these are like the best location not because they're out of the way but just because they're safer and they you don't have the pedestals out in the middle of a parking lot area um yeah well you in order to comply you might have to protect the pedestal um and uh I'll leave that up to you guys but they need to be we should have closest to the entrance okay and we can review this with um uh city staff as well uh between engineering and TTP to get their opinion on it as well okay well they don't um they don't interpret our regs and okay this is in the regs all right um why don't you show us and where's the EV in the um parking garage uh I'll have to stop sharing so um someone will have to bring up the garage Robbie you are doing that right so we have to wait for the next meeting because I can't download this drawing I thought those were there already so okay for the next meeting if you'll just show us um if those comply sure please um just sorry um we uh with with regard to ev parking space in basements or in in parking garages uh we um always have a little bit of uh or some concerns from the fire marshal uh they actually like them to be close to the exits or entrances of the parking garage uh in order to get uh their um apparatus in in case there is um uh fire or something like that so the practice has been that we try to put them as close as possible to the pedestrian entrance but obviously fire or life safety considerations take precedence over um the uh uh the our regulations so okay have you rel did you look at where they were i have not okay so um okay for the next meeting um i derek and others why don't you um just discuss where they are in the basement and why i guess what i want to say is that we should uh wherever they are we should run it by the fire marshal's office so we don't have to report uh organize them again later on okay can um who would who should do that we can we can reach out to the fire marshal's office and and see what the what the best way is to have a meeting or or um if it's okay to send them the plans and they can have a look okay okay good and I'm looking at the hard copy of the the basement plan they're not shown in the basement plan they are out there where Danic was showing on the site plan I'm sorry you're saying there are no EVs shown in the basement no yeah I think I think there are Robbie are you looking at a dot oh three yeah on the left side top left oh yeah you're right there one two three four wall there are some and then I and along the top yeah yeah yeah I see those um why doesn't yeah so let's get the fire marshal's uh thoughts on that um street trees um

On the left side, top left.

Yeah, you're right.

Along the wall, there are some.

And then I and along the top.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I see those.

So why doesn't yeah?

So let's get the fire marshal's uh thoughts on that.

Um street trees.

Um the street trees, as I read the uh tree list, um, they are small trees.

Is that correct?

Who's the uh matt pop is best?

Who's the keeper of the tree list?

Matt Pop, our landscape architect is best to answer that.

Okay.

Matt, are you there?

Oh, okay.

In the absence of Matt, I'm looking at the landscape plan.

And there's uh okay.

He's he's a presenter, so he should be able to.

Oh, he's unmuted waiting for Matt, right?

Matt, are you there?

Yeah.

Maybe his technical problems.

He uh is like unmuting and muting himself.

Well maybe let's just does someone have the landscape plan there besides me that shows the plant list.

There we go.

So at the bottom, can we blow that up?

And yeah, okay, we're getting there.

Mike, let me share a screen again.

I think mine comes in a little clearer.

Right.

Okay, let's see.

So what does he have here on the street?

Let me just zoom in here.

Oh, he's got a list over here.

Okay.

Yeah, that's that's the rain garden.

You need to see the go to the bottom.

Right here, street tree chart.

Yeah.

That's how many.

Okay, so he's got 13.

Are they P P P Ys?

Yeah.

So Matt Pop is here.

I'm not sure if we could have.

All right, Matt, good, take over.

Oh dear.

Matt, are you there?

Uh now we seem to have lost them.

Okay, well, let's continue.

All right.

So the P W the PYs uh Yes.

You see a 13.

Oh, I see it.

Prunus, uh Yoshino cherry.

Yep.

13.

13 of them.

Yeah, light moving flowers, 12 to 13 feet in height.

Mature height, 15 to 20 feet.

Right, but there's small trees.

It makes a difference under our requirements, which is why I'm pointing it out.

Anyway, under the under the tree manual, small trees um are placed 20 feet apart.

So I count that you'll need 16 of them.

I think you guys have placed them farther apart than the tree manual provides for.

I had him space that 25 feet.

Right.

If if you look at um street planting manual on um page four, small trees, one tree for every 20 feet of frontage.

Okay, that we could add those additional uh plantings, additional trees there.

There's plenty of room.

Right.

So if you just um revise the plan, please um to add the the extra trees.

We'll do thanks.

It's confusing because the fee in loo is the 25 feet, excuse me.

Okay.

Um the sidewalks.

Do the plans show the the standard 10 foot sidewalk, six feet sidewalk and four feet of amenity strip.

Yes, that is correct.

This is Derek Dona again.

So and you can kind of see it here on the front rendering here.

You'll have a uh the curb.

Um, you know, that's the four that includes this uh the grass strip behind it, and then a six-foot wide sidewalk.

Okay, can you guys mark that please?

And also on your your um civil plans.

Yes, that is that's labeled.

I'm sorry, I don't have this all the civil plans for this presentation.

Um, but it's labeled on all the civil plans.

It's noted with the dimensions and everything, as well as the details.

Okay, so just if you put it here, sure.

I can uh I can come back to that as we do something else.

Um, just for the next meeting.

Okay, we don't have to have it right now.

Okay.

Um, I think that's all I've got.

Um board, any anyone have anything else?

No, Ms.

Chairman.

Okay.

Can someone go over what they're doing on the rooftop of the apartment building?

Uh Robbie, uh, let's see.

I'll stop sharing so you can discuss.

Yeah, that is a required open space with some landscaping and sitting areas for the apartment building.

That is shown on the A06.

I'm sorry, Robbie.

Which one?

A06.

A A06, that's cool.

That's a roof deck there with the seating area and some uh landscape.

Well, it appears that half of the area has you know seating area landscape, and the other half is other has nothing.

Why is that because the required open space is that much will be show there?

So the rest are just gonna stay with nothing on it.

Is that yes, correct?

The rest is nothing on it.

So it'll be at the end of where you see in the storage area, there'll be a fence, so nobody can go to that roof.

The other side is your lobby.

Sure, sir.

The uh why wouldn't you why wouldn't you guys want to put anything on?

It's not required.

I heard that.

Now it appears um I'm looking at R.05.

It appears that in the middle of the apartment.

Well, I don't well, I'll call it the middle, it's not the middle, but there are two areas that uh where there's an opening where the it must be open space in there too, because the apartments appear to be facing each other.

Am I looking at correctly?

Yes.

That's shown on A04 also.

Oh okay.

And that what's in an open area?

Is it like pool or something or just grass or no just the sitting area basically?

Sitting area only.

Yeah.

Sitting area and some landscaping.

The planters.

All right, Dave.

I'm I'm good for now.

I'm sure to be something up later.

Are we ready to go to the public?

Sure, sir.

Okay.

Uh if there's anyone from the public here who'd like to speak on this application, um, please raise your hand.

And uh when you do um, if you would give us your uh name and address, we'd appreciate it.

So first the first uh person shows up as darling C, you should be able to uh unmute.

Hi, good afternoon.

My name is Darlene Calvillo.

I leave on 34 Melrose, please.

And I am very concerned about your traffic.

And um, I'm just trying to understand how is the traffic is gonna stop all the people like um sorry, um I know um Dettonity mentioned that it's gonna reduce the trucks coming in, but I I'm trying to understand how it's gonna stop that because going to Barry Place, it's a lot of trust going down.

And now with the ice skating ring, all the cars are coming to Merrose Place, and they see the stop sign and they don't stop.

I have a seven-year-old who goes to school.

I have a 15-year-old daddy goes to school.

And for you guys to see the traffic really, you have to be here at 6 a.m.

to see the traffic.

People spiking over the sidewalk on Fairfield Avenue.

Cars I'm flying down to Melrose.

My kids are walking to go to the bus stop, and I'm just trying to see how are you guys gonna come to a safety way for the kids to walk in if you are making all these townhouses for families too.

Okay, thank you very much.

We will ask the applicant to respond to your question.

Uh the next one is a phone number ending.

Where did it go?

Uh it disappeared, so we have to come back to it later.

Uh the next one is uh John M.

Ralph, before we get there, um I can't always do it, but when the member of the public is finished speaking, can you uh please put them back on mute?

Yes.

Thanks.

It's John Backaboy.

I'm at uh Southfield Avenue, uh Stanford Landing.

And uh the complex sounds wonderful, it's really nice presentation.

Uh my concern is the additional traffic uh on Southfield Avenue.

I'm looking at the map right now, and all the traffic, all the cars in there can only go two places.

Uh Southfield Avenue or Fairfield Avenue.

Uh they're blocked in by the railroad in the back and by the uh the uh golf course and so forth.

So there's only one way to to enter and to leave, and it's gonna create a lot of traffic on Southfield Avenue and Fairfield Avenue.

And uh just wondered if maybe you could reduce the number of apartments or uh you mentioned earlier, maybe 25 minutes ago or so about the previous tenants there or owners who had uh something like uh 400 employees, and I wondered how long ago was that and uh is that confirmed or to give a little more background on that so we can compare prior years traffic versus what you're proposing about that's all okay, thank you.

So the next one is uh phone number ending in 0141.

You should be able to speak.

They're still muted.

Yes.

There you go.

You're unmuted.

Hello, my name is Salvatore.

Can you hear me?

Yes, I'm sorry.

What is your name?

My name is Salvatore Zarella.

Uh I live on Keith Street on the waterside, not very far from the site in question.

Um actually very close.

And uh I would like to uh keep on the impact to our area.

As a background, I'm a 50-year resident of the waterside.

I grew up and was raised in the waterside.

I know the waterside extremely well.

And I understand uh the behavior through the waterside, the traffic patterns to the waterside, and I've witnessed ongoing changes throughout the years at the water side.

So I think I'm a very good proponent uh to speak on it.

Uh a few things that I'd like to discuss.

Um thank you very much for the presentation.

Uh and there were many things that were discussed, and how throughout the years it was um a project that was worked on, and from 2018-2019, I've heard that.

Up until recently, we had just found out that it was a site that was going to contain 261 homes.

Uh, very few people are aware of the site and the posting on the sign never showed that uh from the zone change designation from our uh from the MG to the RMF RM one to RMF zone.

It only talked about the skating rank, and it's only until this current meeting over the last 10 days or so uh that the sign was posted.

Moreover, I can't see much of the presentation uh because I was not able to log online, and many of my uh neighbors aren't neither.

So I'd like to move into some of these important topics.

I'd like maybe perhaps a moment of time to get through it.

I know that there's a three-minute limit, but being a 50-year residence, I'm very familiar with the neighborhood, and this project is extremely uh important uh to our neighbor neighborhood and what happens on this site.

Um, I know the site in terms of Pitney Bows, and I know that there's um a quite a bit of uh pollution that was generated on that site, and so we would like to, and our residents would like to know the state of Connecticut has claimed that site as a Hadrosis waste light uh as listed as a hazardous waste site, and it has been investigated.

It still was listed in the as a part of the investigation in 2019, and it's Arden sued Pitney Bowes because of the pollution that occurred within their ponds, which also runs off into the sound.

Uh, this is a very um concerning to us, and we'd like to know what the results of that investigation was and how that's being handled.

Um, the traffic study through the site was performed uh as my second point.

The traffic study was performed, and it was performed uh two years ago.

Um, I understand through um Kimberly, there was a new study that was performed.

Uh there was it it was indicated that there was no impact to the roads.

I don't quite understand what that means.

If there wasn't we're talking about the asphalt, the impact to the uh infrastructure, or we're actually talking about traffic because the ice gating rings, as witnessed by me and many of my neighbors and Father Carlos across the street, uh is hundreds of cars a day.

So we would like to know how that is impacted and how that is being added to the traffic impact.

We believe that's not being carried, so we would like to understand that uh in detail.

The second the third thing is the highest level of pollution is the is impacted in the waterside district through I-95.

And the green spaces and through the master plan and the initiative of the master plan is to generate more green space.

And we would like to know what is being done to generate green space.

There's 460,000 square feet of building that's being produced.

460,000 square feet are and almost and practically doubling the size of the heart of Waterside.

The heart of Waterside has about 300 homes currently, and so if there's two cars for every family, that would mean that 600 cars uh are generally the impact in and out of our neighborhood.

This this development will double our neighborhood overnight, essentially, what took 75 years to develop and create the impact.

So when it's been stated on several occasions that there was no impact.

I we always hear often that there's no impact, no impact, no impact.

At some point, there is an impact, and where is and how is that impact going to occur?

So the other very important point is that the RMF zoning designations essentially increases triples the density in the zoning requirements by three times of what the R6 zone density currently is.

So we'd like to understand how when we talk about 1,500 square feet per family and the R6 stone on a 50 by 100 square foot lot that has 5,000 square feet.

You essentially now 3x you're at that three minutes.

Um yeah, I thank you very much.

I just need another moment, please, to finish my thoughts.

Uh designated.

If there's two cars per family, that would indicate that we are not under over parking.

It would in fact indicate that we are under parking because there's a net difference of about 75 cars.

Where will they park?

The other 75 to 100 cars, where were they park?

Melrose Place, Congress and Southfield are not being addressed.

Melrose is one of them.

Southfield and Congress are woefully inefficient to support such a development.

We would support single family townhouses in this neighborhood.

That would be a welcomed addition.

So we welcome the board members to please come visit and understand the community.

In the heart of Waterside is a massive 50-foot structure that's going to go go up.

Four stories, and it will pale in comparison to the church size.

So I think that this is not to be taken lightly.

Oh Father Carlos, sorry.

Father Carlos, you need to unmute.

Okay, well, he's working through uh whatever the technical issues are.

Why don't we go on to the next one?

Yes, the next one is Jason Kennard.

Good evening, everyone.

Um I'd like to make comments in favor.

Sorry, can you can you introduce yourself and just give us your address, please?

Okay, good evening.

Uh my name is Jason Connard.

I live at 150 Southfield Avenue.

Uh recently moved um from Davenport.

So I've lived in okay, thank you.

Um I believe the shift from industrial to residential turns a noisy utilitarian site into a nice vibrant neighborhood by eliminating heavy-duty truck traffic, reducing noise and air pollution, uh, which creates a safer, quieter environment for residents with more green spaces, better landscaping, which enhances the neighborhood's visual appeal.

Um I think the additional housing addresses uh Stanford's growing demand with diverse options.

I love the fact that there are townhouses for sale, apartments for rent.

Uh it's very nice.

I think it'll boost the local uh economy with uh new residents to the waterside area.

Um and most importantly, I think it's uh catalyst for broader investment to Waterside without and most importantly without displacing the current residents.

Uh thank you very much.

Thank you.

Uh we only have Father Carlos left.

Okay, you're unmuted now.

But we don't hear you.

Maybe we can address some of the uh comments and questions that were brought up and then come back.

Yeah, or Carlos, maybe you want to um get off the call and then log back in and see if that'll work better.

And we will when you come back in, we will um we will hear from you.

Okay, yeah, I think that's a good idea, Ralph.

Why don't we hear some of the answers?

Let me see if I can address uh comments made by the four speakers.

Obviously, Mr.

Cannard's uh comments are appreciated uh and consistent with our own feeling as to the many uh benefits from this proposal compared to what could go there as an industrial site uh to the extent that Father Carlos is unable uh to join us for technical reasons tonight.

I would note that there is a letter in support of this application from him as part of our application uh process.

Um the first speaker uh raised issues of traffic uh as did uh the second speaker, and their comments were essentially on the issue of traffic.

And let me say that uh I think the discussion that was had earlier concerning the comments from the traffic transportation and parking department of the city uh are well taken.

We've indicated that we will do whatever it is that is required uh by the city uh in that regard.

We are prepared to do uh improvements as we've discussed with you in terms of sidewalks going down uh both Barry Place uh to Fairfield Avenue uh with improvements there, as well as on Melrose.

And to the extent uh the the speakers pointed out problems on Fairfield Avenue uh and other streets, those are quite honestly unrelated to this project.

And I think it's important to balance this project with residential development, uh, versus what could go on as an industrial site, and as Mr.

Bozak pointed out from uh the advocate story, there were some 400 employees who had to come and go uh each day uh when it was used as an industrial building, and in addition to that, there are continuous truck traffic that can be associated with either an industrial or uh a uh warehouse type facility.

Uh going to Mr.

Zarella, and I certainly appreciate the fact that he's been a resident there for a long time.

Uh but I I just want to clarify uh a few things.

Uh he mentioned that the building would be 50 feet tall uh and that's simply not the case.

The townhouses are 29 feet tall, and the apartment house itself is 39 uh feet tall.

The requirements are 40 feet for uh the RMF zone and 30 feet, and we're below what is permitted in each of those zones.

Uh he talked about uh being underparked and that uh people would have two cars uh that's simply not the history and experience of those that have built multifamily structures, and then and then the reality is at the end of the day we exceed what's required uh by uh your own zoning regulations.

He talked about potential remediation that may be done on the site.

And let me point out several things.

Inasarden did file a lawsuit against prior owner of the property.

And the lawsuit resulted in no verdict in favor of Inusarden.

In fact, it's my understanding the lawsuit was dismissed.

Be that as it may, the property owners have remediated the property to, as Derek pointed out before, bring it up to acceptable standards for commercial and industrial use.

And we will undertake any remediation that's required to make it available for residential use.

And that's not uncommon.

Right now, and it's going through a remediation process as we sit here tonight.

The bottom line is we will comply with all the environmental requirements to make this a safe property for everyone concerned.

Quite honestly, there will be an increase in traffic compared to what's there now, because there's nothing there now.

You need to compare it to what could be built in an industrial area or what was there.

And as Mr.

Bozak pointed out, uh the newspaper said there were some 400 employees, and in addition to the employees going in and out, both in the uh morning peak hours and the evening peak hours, you probably had a constant flow of trucks during the day.

He talked about green space, and I think it was patently clear when Derek showed the existing site compared to the landscape rendering that the green space is being exponentially increased on this site, and in fact, the impervious surface is being reduced by over two acres.

So certainly uh we are complying with that.

Finally, he he talked about the sign uh with the implication that the sign posted at the property was somewhat misleading.

I would simply note that when the skating rink project was being approved, a sign was put up concerning the skating rink facility.

We have complied with your signage regulation and posted a sign explaining that there be a hearing both in terms of a map change and a site plan uh and special permit.

All the notices went out to abutters required under your regulations.

Town of Greenwich was notified.

There's been ads.

Uh we believe this has been more than properly uh published to the waterside community uh and the community as a whole.

So frankly, uh, although I respect his concerns and the issues he's raised, uh I don't believe they pose any negative requirement or impact on the very positive application we've put forward, and I'll stop at that.

Okay.

Um Ralph.

Mr.

Zarelli uh has raised his hand again.

Mr.

Zarelli, you should be able to speak.

You have to unmute is that 0141.

Okay.

No longer a hand raised there.

Okay.

Um hello, can you hear me okay?

This is Salvatore again.

Yes.

Okay, great.

Thank you very much for uh commenting point by point.

I appreciate you addressing them directly, and I also appreciate the opportunity to respond to those comments.

I think it would be important for me to uh dive into that.

And so uh I would like to go point by point in the sense where you talked about the uh the height of building in terms of the mass of building.

When we when most people look at a building and the way the the height is calculated is very different.

So there is height to mid-ridge, and then there's the actual height to the ridge of the building.

So let's not make any mistake about it.

When we measure the height of a building in terms of the regs, which maxes out at 40 feet, the actual finished height of the building is larger to the ridge of that building, and it could be something in a neighborhood of five or ten feet more.

I don't know what the pitch of that roof is, but I think that that's something that they that must be considered.

So that those heights that you quoted is not the absolute height of the building.

The and the other point would relate relates to hazardous waste.

That doesn't the question wasn't answered.

What was the result of the the testing that was done and why was it considered a hazardous waste site?

We would like to know what's happening with the pollution that occurred on that site.

That doesn't resolve it just because it was dismissed.

Uh it could be dismissed for reasons that don't really address the pollution.

Um as far as the uh traffic is concerned, I live here.

I understand the traffic.

I know and many of the residents and I share the the concerns of hundreds of residents in this area.

And given enough time, we could I could probably pile them all into the room to address that.

But I can assure you that the number of cars that have occupied streets that have never been occupied by cars is not due to the lack of traffic.

And to suggest that when you introduce an additional 300, approximately 200, 300 units, 261 apartments that generate at least two cars per apartment.

The zoning reds require that two parking spots within the R6 zone is required not to be in tandem, meaning that one car can't be parked behind another because the the reality is that most cars don't want people don't want to park behind each other because others would have to move.

So those cards need to go somewhere, and many of the tandem spots that you indicate, any of the spots that you indicated are in tandem, in which case that we almost need to be discounted as parking spots and allowable parking spots, but you have a greater relief in that because the zoning regs in that particular RMF one zone or RMF zone allows it, but it doesn't mean that that's still not a concern.

Those cars need to go somewhere, and I highly doubt Father Carlos is going to appreciate them parking across the street.

Melrose is not wide enough, Congress is not wide enough, and Southfield can't handle any cars being parked.

So there's no question that that must be addressed.

Now it doesn't mean that it can't be addressed, but to impose this type of structure in the heart of a of a quaint one and two family neighborhood is a very very strong reach.

It is appropriate for, and I do agree that it should be residences.

And we're more than happy to eliminate all of the industrial zone.

In fact, the MG zone is four times larger than the heart of Waterside and two times larger than all of Waterside.

People don't realize how large that zone actually is.

And the current master plan made no except no provisions for reducing the MG zone, even though our industrial lands are no longer necessary.

Why didn't they do that?

Well, now's an opportunity.

They're being reduced to residences, but I suggest that they'd be in keeping with the existing communities and not impact them in such an adverse way.

Yes, residents are great, families are great, backyards are great, single families great, even very low density one and two family R6 is also great.

Cluster home communities are great.

What's happened on Gatehouse Road is fabulous example.

What they're doing on Southfield with the 57 homes is fabulous.

Those are welcomed.

This addition is a huge imposition, in my opinion.

And those address uh the I think I've said the broader points, I don't need to repeat them.

But the biggest question is why do we require three times the density parameters by going to the RMF zoning?

Why can't we use a reduced zone?

The predominant neighborhood is R 10, R 7.5, R6, and R5.

The RMF is far exceeding all of those barriers, and we're not in an arterior roadway.

Cars don't come through here, they come to here.

And so that when they come to here, they exit the same number in, the same number out.

So that needs to be considered, and our current roadways don't support it.

Okay.

Um you're at three minutes, so um please wrap it up.

No, I thank you for your time.

I I think that I've addressed most of if I haven't addressed one of those points, remind me, and I or you fill me in, but I think I've addressed all of it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Is Father Carlos uh on yet?

Uh he's still on.

Uh Father Carlos, you need to press uh star six to unmute.

So he is unmuted, so it must be a technical issue.

Yep.

Father Carlos.

This is yeah.

This is going to be continued, right?

Yes.

Um yes.

And Father Carlos, we do have your letter.

Um the it was distributed to the board.

So um we we do have your thoughts on this.

Uh attorney Cakeis, do you want to respond to um anything that uh the last caller had mentioned?

Or do you did you already respond to it earlier?

I I think frankly, my responses uh earlier do address those points.

The the simple fact of the matter is we're below the height limits.

Uh there's more than enough parking on this site.

I would note that the waterside district has a variety of zoning classifications within it, and they include the RMF district, the RM1 district.

They include design districts all along Southfield Avenue where there are very intense condominium or apartment developments that have been put in and and met with similar uh comments and objections uh in the past.

Um bottom line on on the issues of pollution.

I will say that we have a very top uh of the line environmental firm, uh Go environmental LLC, and they will satisfy all the state and federal requirements uh to develop this site for uh residential development.

So at the end of the day, we think uh notwithstanding uh the comments that were made, this is a project that deserves to be approved, and it will be something Stanford can be very proud of.

Um Mike, just to um be clear for the people asking about the pollution.

This site has been cleaned up already to a um commercial standard.

Is that what I heard?

That's my understanding, correct, Derek?

Correct.

This is Derek Donay.

Uh yes, the site was previously um remediated to industrial and commercial standards.

Some of that remediation had to do with removing uh portions of the soil like top layers and other layers are capped.

Um some of the remediation that will be required to make it for residential standards, are some of the uh there's one small area that's near where the um uh townhouse developments are kind of on the wings driveway area along that shared property line, because they also just did some remediation over there when they were installing utilities.

Um for that portion of it, they'll that soil will be completely removed off site.

Um other portions of it, there's um uh will that aren't being disturbed.

So if there's no excavation or uh buildings planned near it, those will remain capped and probably uh fenced off.

That's uh it's my understanding what I believe the remediation will be.

That'll still be finalized between uh Go Environmental LLC and uh Connecticut DEP, but I believe those are the measures.

Okay, so it will be further cleaned up to meet residential standards, yeah.

Correct.

Okay, good.

Good.

Um I have one question for you.

Um children's play areas.

I believe there's one on the map on the landscape plan.

Correct.

We're currently showing one to the north of the um apartment building exterior parking lot, correct.

It abuts the conservation zone.

It's would you consider a second one given the size of this development?

Uh yeah, that would be up to the uh the applicant.

Um and uh we could probably work something out though.

There's there's probably some areas you could put another one.

I'm not sure.

Um I know we had one in another area first during conceptual plans and then they moved it over there, so I'm not sure if that's like the best spot for it.

Um I was choosing it.

Um, but if you need a second one or if required, I don't know if it's required or if that's just becomes something that's a design choice later on.

Um I'll add it to our list of items to be addressed at your next meeting, Mr.

Chairman.

Um thank you.

Okay, so uh board any other questions.

Uh we have another raised hand from the public.

We do okay.

Let's hear it.

Uh it's the phone number ending in 4206.

You should be able to speak.

Can I mute yourself by pressing star six?

Okay, you're unmuted.

Hello?

Hello?

Yes, we can hear you.

It's Father Carlos.

Hello, Father.

Hello, it's Father Carlos.

Can you guys hear me?

Yes, yes.

Okay, I was having a little diff difficulty connecting.

But um, I I just want to say I like Mr.

Chairman and all the members of the board.

I like all the questions that you ask.

And I'm here now talking for myself.

Nobody would be talking for me.

Initially, I gave a letter of approval because at the end of the day, that building is closer to the St.

Clement's Parish than most people who are living in the neighborhood.

And I like the whole idea of the design and uh and given how affordable housing.

And I think that is with something that will improve the neighborhood, and it would be a blessing for the neighborhood.

And I hope the board would would give their consent for the building to take place, because right now that building is an eyesore to me.

I hate seeing it the way it is, and I think it will look more much more beautiful with with buildings and uh uh housing that could accommodate people and and family and so forth.

Now, in regards to the congestion of the street, I often say, you know, we have gone to the moon.

We could solve that problem too.

I think my moon was easier here.

I I I give I give I give my full blessing to that development.

And I hope you guys take it into consideration because like I said, you have asked everything that the company wanted to be done, and it came forward and they were honest, and it came forward with whatever you guys wanted.

So okay.

Okay, so I got a chance to speak for myself.

Yeah, yeah.

Thank you very much.

Father, thank you.

Thank you.

Welcome by.

Um okay.

Let's um take a second just to see what the items are that um the applicant will be coming back to us with for the next meeting.

And um board uh please um add anything that that doesn't get listed.

Mike, do you have I assume you have a list there, right?

Let me start with uh the last item, which was to look at uh including a second play area, then your comments earlier uh in terms of the EV requirements.

We need to show uh the charging uh facilities near the entrances.

Uh we need to show the EV uh facilities in the garage to be checked by the fire marshal.

Um we need to show the EV for the bikes.

We need to show the street trees at 20 foot intervals as opposed to 25, and we need to mark on the landscape plan uh the dimensions of both the sidewalk and the four-foot buffer between the sidewalk and the curb.

And that's my list, Mr.

Chairman.

Um that's everything I have as well.

Um is anyone on the board have anything else they'd like to see.

chairman um that's everything i have as well um is anyone on the board have anything else they'd like to see okay um and ralph we didn't get the staff report or did we no um i have to check with uh vanita on that okay so that's that would just um need to be something for the next meeting yeah i can report to the board that i spoke to vanita today who indicated she was celebrating her holiday uh and she would have the report ready for the next meeting okay good good okay um actually mr state chairm one more thing if you don't mind take as many as you want you could you have somebody put up uh drawing r dot zero five on the screen for me please derek is that something you've got or is that no that's not okay yeah that's not something I have mr morris okay I can't do that right now but next time we'll do that uh well okay anyway well well what I I guess obviously you know what it looks like um yeah I'm looking at the hard copy in front of me yeah yeah but can you I'd like to compare this to other developments in the area something is there anything in the area that's similar to this okay let me see what what I can find out okay Bill I'm sorry could you repeat that question in other words if if you if you have that if you looked at it Mr.

Chairman and it does appear from this rendering anyway that I'm looking at to be a rather massive development very structured I was wondering if there's if they have anything in in the in this in this neighborhood that is close to being that type of development you're talking about drawing a zero five R.05 yeah I guess the question would be is there anything with that matches the density of this uh project yeah because if you look at this it once again it's a rendering so I I'm not gonna form an opinion on it yet but it does appear to be massive especially apartment um complex on it let me look into that it's a good question bill I'm sorry I said it's a good question oh yeah I like I said I haven't formed opinion on it and I don't want to form it yet until I get some response but just so I keep looking at it and I just concerned about it this view especially that view especially yeah now it may just be the view sort of a bird's eye view as they say but well okay is that uh so you would like the the applicant to come back and let us know if there's anything with oh yeah or something address my concerns that I think it's massive it doesn't fit how they feel they should address that sure okay um if we could add that one to the list okay so the question is is there anything similar to this in terms of size and density in the neighborhood maybe two different projects because one is a autumn one RMF and autumn one so there may not be one project together with these two zones so yeah we'll see that's what we're doing we're asking to do is a zone change which is going to allow the RMF so you know there's a lot of considerations going on there you know I think we'll be able to show some buildings uh that that I I just be similar okay okay good all right are we ready to um continue this one I think so yeah I am anyway okay Mike we're gonna

Okay.

Okay.

Good.

All right.

Are we ready to um continue this one?

I think so.

Yeah.

I am okay.

Mike.

We're gonna that's fine.

Go on to our next uh item on the agenda.

And what date would this be continued to?

Um, so we are we will be continuing applications 224-18 and 225-23 to the next meeting of the zoning board on November 10th, 2025 at 630 on teams.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman, members of the board.

We'll be back with answers to all your questions.

Good.

Thank you.

Good night.

Good night, and good night, uh Mike's team.

Good job.

Um okay.

We're now into the regular meeting.

Um and um fortunately there are only a couple of items left.

The first is the uh meeting minutes from uh our October 6th, 2025 meeting.

Does anyone have any uh revisions to those?

No.

If not, can we get a motion to approve, please?

I move that we approve the minutes of October 6, 2025 as presented.

Second.

Any further discussion?

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Jerry, is that an aye?

Well, he's just here.

Pardon there he is Jerry, can you hear us?

He must be talking it it bolded around his square.

Yeah, okay.

Well, it's approved 3-0 for the moment, unless he we have a vote from Jeru.

Um the last item is a request for an extension of time.

Um that's application 213-14 edge hill property corp 122 Palmer's Hill Road, uh, site and architectural plans and a requested uses and special permit.

Uh this was an application to add approximately 33,000 square feet, primarily for a new memory care unit.

Um and um they are requesting uh oh, is a modification um to add 12 additional units.

Um and um they're requesting an extension of time.

And I've just misplaced it.

When do they want to go to December 20th, 2027?

Okay.

Two year?

Is that our rule now?

That's all new rule, yes.

Okay.

Good thing I read that, David.

It is yeah.

Okay.

Um is there any discussion on this?

Can we get a motion to approve uh the extension through December 27?

27th?

December 28th.

2027.

Okay.

So moved.

Second.

Okay.

Um all any further discussion.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Um, it is approved.

Uh well, any opposed.

Any abstentions.

Um okay.

Um it is approved 30.

Um, and that's all we have.

Um on tonight's agenda.

So um the next meeting will um we'll have a couple of uh several items that will uh major items.

abstentions um okay um it is approved 30 um and that's all we have um on tonight's agenda so um the next meeting we'll um we'll have a couple of uh several items that will uh major items one will be this uh continuation of the um uh 23 berry place the applications there and then we'll uh be hearing 120 and 120 c long ridge um plus presumably voting on the uh project at long ridge and wire mill and the project uh on hope street so anything else to talk about okay and it's not quite 11 yet pretty good there yeah uh okay uh move to adjourn please yes uh is there second all in favor we're adjourned thank you everybody everybody thank you good night well good night