We're still waiting for um some uh reports from uh uh fire marshal WPCA and TTP, correct?

Manita Yes Okay, so um hopefully we will get those um before the next meeting and then we've got to hear from engineering and TTP on this on the uh materials we received today from the attorney for 77 plus the EPB for Bill's question.

Yeah an EPB okay who's how is that question getting to EPV?

I would talk to Bob tomorrow.

Oh okay, good all right um and I assume also uh Mr.

Rennes is you're you you're gonna not not you personally but when I say you I mean your firm is going to address the illegal issues that the uh Mr.

Pierce brought up also the legal issues I will be deferring to my fellow volunteer Mr.

William Hennessy.

Okay perfect okay so an interesting evening look forward to it okay um are we good uh if we continue this now anything else before we uh do that okay uh my only question Mr.

Chairman uh since the application was opened and you afforded their attorney the right to speak you have to open it to the public okay um that's a good point right uh if there's anyone from the public who wishes to speak on this application um can you raise your hand please I don't see any hands we don't see any people either um all right application two two five dash four eight is continued until the next meeting of the zoning board which will be on February twenty third twenty twenty-six at six thirty on Zoom uh thank you uh all for uh participating in this and and thank you for the extra eighteen minutes a for you Rick it no problem okay um now let's see we're into the regular meeting and the first thing we have is the minutes from our last meeting on January twenty sixth um are there any um corrections comments additions on it motion to approve the minutes of january twenty sixth two thousand twenty six as presented second mr chairman okay any further discussion um all in favor say aye aye minutes are approved next um we have uh uh application two two five three seven five harbor point square LLC um general development plan site and architectural plans and our requested uses and coastal site plan review this is the um the bathhouse we do have um conditions for that so uh manita can you put those up please yes um bath how can you see my screen yep well I can go straight to the site specific conditions okay um it disappeared on my computer oh well it's on mine I have it oh huh huh okay it's back um it is okay

Um it disappeared on my computer.

Oh.

Well, it's on mine.

I have it.

Oh.

Huh.

Huh.

Okay.

It's back.

Um it is.

Okay.

I it is hung on my computer.

So good.

So uh the first item we have is that the work will uh conform to the plans.

Is that me or you that's her because it changed on my screen.

Ah it's kind of nice, but uh watermark sorry.

A little hard to read, but we could probably do it.

Let me stop sharing.

I think it's my screen that is hung.

Uh let me try it again.

You guys just knew tomorrow is the day I had to get up early.

Oh course.

If you didn't have to get up early, we would have been done by 10 o'clock.

Right.

Dog's not getting his walk.

Okay.

All right.

Smile again.

There we go.

Yay.

Okay.

Second one.

Um look uh is uh general development plan.

Um prior to building permit, applicant will record the approved GDP on the Stanford land records confirming 34,000 square feet of commercial develop.

Oh sorry, it's jumping again.

It just went down.

This is like a conspiracy to not let us finish.

Right.

34,000 feet.

I'd like to not touch it too much.

Uh 34,000 square feet of commercial development rights are transferred from block P7 to block S5, leaving a hundred and four thousand square feet of commercial development rights on P7.

Um questions.

No, no.

Okay.

Landscape plan.

Um prior to building permit applicant will submit plans for the rooftop um open space.

Including programming and planning, yes.

I was just gonna say, can we um add the new landscaping into that same paragraph?

Not just the rooftop.

The juniper.

Well, let me let's go back a second.

Vanita, did that new whatever showed that new um roof landscaping?

Um the junipers, I guess.

Right.

Is it has that been added to the list of uh documents in the record?

Yes.

So I had referenced the PowerPoint presentation from tonight with that with the date, so it's in there.

Um but we have it on it.

We have landscaping now along the parking on the um west.

Oh on the west, yeah.

That was in the plan.

That was in the revised planting plan though.

The planting on the west side of the building was in the new plan we received.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it didn't list the plants and everything, did it?

I believe it did.

Oh, okay.

Never mind.

Uh okay, and then implementation of the plans will be completed prior to CO.

Umber.

Can we fix the numbering there?

Um actually, I may not be able to fix the numbering because it's the web version.

I usually have to download and fix the numbering.

Okay.

Um it's that's fine.

If you do it, one do it tomorrow.

Um, so then the rooftop noise management, which was something we had talked about.

Um it will be maintained at volumes to serve as ambient music for the pool area and not be amplified to spill over um outside the property boundaries in compliance with the Stanford Noise.

Um it wasn't a Stanford noise ordinance issue, it was a noise issue.

Um that even if it you know it if it went right up to the noise limits and didn't exceed them, you could still hear it outside.

And they what they said is it would be kept in low volumes where you couldn't hear it.

Sh um this is not so should I just stop here after yes, after yeah.

You guys agree?

Yes, yeah, and also didn't they say, unless I'm confused that that they were doing they were going to do a test?

They were doing a test, yes.

That was a part of the condition, wasn't it?

Well, it doesn't say yet.

Does anything offered to do um yeah, a test a nice test?

Yep, right.

I mean we have to figure out when, like, you know.

Well, what would that seem?

What would the purpose of the test be to see whether sound is not going over to the property?

Okay.

I thought we were doing a prior to uh CL.

Yes.

You want to just start a new make a new paragraph under that one, keep it under rooftop noise, just make it a separate paragraph prior prior to issuance of the CO applicant shell.

It's you know, mine does that too.

I don't understand it.

Yeah, I I don't know, maybe because I'm shit.

It's not doesn't always happen.

Usually it's pretty good.

Um I don't know, maybe I close all the windows that I have.

Is that a period after CO?

Um, a comma.

Okay.

I have to, yeah, I'm just waiting for it to respond to me.

Okay.

Shall what conduct a noise test or test?

Yeah.

Noise test to um, well, it's it's to ensure that the um noise levels from the rooftop um cannot be heard outside the property boundaries.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

That okay.

Uh next we have vehicle parking.

Um they will uh maintain sixty-eight parking spaces, which includes fifteen EV spaces.

Um they have additional spaces in excess of the sixty-eight.

I think it was a hundred and forty some odd.

The additional spaces uh will be available at no charge to residents and guests of Harbor Point.

Um they didn't want to do it overnight, so this is uh the language the highlighted language there um is what's being proposed.

Any thoughts on this?

It's reasonable to me.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean it is their property, so right.

It's currently used by guests.

Um it I think they'd offer to let that continue.

Okay.

And there's the parking management plan.

We all know what that says.

Um the transportation demand management plan.

Uh this, which is the same as we always have.

Um bicycle parking.

They'll provide 24 class B.

I guess the class A were below the uh minimum number and allowed them to convert them to class B.

Yes.

Um, and they agreed to put in four e-bike spaces with charging facilities on the property.

Um there's our bike bicycle parking performance regulations, which are the same as uh they always are bicycle parking maintenance agreement.

I'm sorry.

I'm still waiting for and uh they have to put notes on their plans showing uh that the class B spaces um comply with the requirements of the reds whenever you're able to.

I'm sorry, this is really bad timing for the computer to kind of act up.

Time to tell the city you need a new one.

Yeah.

First thing we're going to do tomorrow morning.

Uh maybe.

I don't know.

Maybe I should download this.

Um you um I mean how many more it is the same document, David, that you have.

Oh, okay.

How many more site specific conditions now?

Let's see.

Can you can it scroll up any more?

Is that as far as it'll go?

As far as that'll go right now.

So signage has to be approved by staff.

They will comply with TTP comments.

They'll comply with EPB comments.

Can you just tell us what the rest of the uh just read it to us?

Yeah, you know, I can't see it either.

David, you have yours, can you read it?

Oh dear dear.

Uh we need us as on the SharePoint.

It is, it is on SharePoint.

It's under draft motions under certificates of decision.

Let me see if I can get it.

Yeah.

When would you sent that?

Last week sometime, right?

Yep.

Would it have been you and not um Courney?

Uh no, I I sent it.

Okay.

Okay.

What we were on um TTP.

Um, next we have Engineering Bureau comments complying with uh um Willetta Capels comments.

Next is fire marshal complying with the comments from the fire marshal dated October 28th.

WPCA comments, uh complying with those dated October 31st.

With uh um Willetta Capels comments next is fire marshal complying with the comments from the fire marshal dated October 28th WPCA comments uh complying with those dated October 31st um easements uh prior to CO applicant will submit and record on the land records and easement map showing um all easements on the property and the easement agreement um and map depicting where the public sidewalks are located on the applicant's property um street trees uh prior to CO applicant will provide and plant not less than 21 street trees uh conforming uh with our regulations and submit a bond of a thousand dollars per tree for a total of 21,000.

Um applicant will modify the landscape plan to swap a small tree for a large tree.

Um and color in the entire public sidewalk, including portions outside the property boundaries.

Um David actually this um they did act end up doing that, so we can um okay, so that's not included.

Um they showed that they had the additional large tree good.

Okay.

Uh any modification to the street scape plan leading to a reduction in the number of trees being planted will be subject to a fee in lieu.

Um and last is security cameras.

Uh 16 security cameras shown on the building and site plans shall cover the entire perimeter of the property and be monitored in real time during the hours when the bathhouse is open.

And that's um it.

I'm I'm assuming that this draft is more or less current.

Yes.

Yes.

Is current okay.

Yeah, the only update was that I'd taken out that streetscape, the the street tree um comment.

Yeah.

Okay.

So um that's that's the uh all of the uh conditions.

Uh is there any discussion on them?

Can we get a motion to approve application 225-37 with the uh conditions as presented tonight?

So moved.

Second.

Okay, any further discussion.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay, it's unanimous.

Um, and that brings us to the conclusion of tonight's meeting.

Um next week, uh, there are a few things on our next meeting.

Um hopefully we can vote on um Lockwood.

Um that'll just mean um Benita you can um put some conditions out.

And um is there anything new on?

I mean anything it yes, anything new on for next meeting?

We have the text amendment for the CG district.

Okay.

That's you think we might be able to vote on St.

John's next time.

We do have I don't see why not.

Yeah, I'm yeah.

I'll I'll talk to you tomorrow, Vinita, about that.

Yep.

What what anything that's outstanding that we can drop in as a condition.

Um, but yeah, there's no reason why we can't vote next time.

Um yeah, with that and lockwood, and that'll clear some uh things off.

Okay.

Anything else?

Palmer Hill.

Is that it?

Nothing else, nope.

Which could take months.

Well, I mean, honestly, uh based on what we heard tonight, I would be surprised if all these dueling uh engineers and attorneys are gonna come to agreement by our next meeting.

Yeah.

Oh, that's what do you think?

They'll get it together.

What do you think?

Do you think the two sides will get together?

Uh probably not.

I mean, um we also need that's that's why we that's why we send it out to um oh folks.

So we have three opinions.

Yeah.

Because you folks subsidy and dude, they're gonna wait until these the two dueling uh engineers come to some sort of an agreement, and before they even look at it, I would assume.

I would hope they would look at it when they get a chance, so they can get a chance to do it and and not wait.

I mean, I send it to them today.

Um, and I mean the the uh the the task uh that I gave them was really to um basically check if the arguments that we we got today from uh the folks from um Palmer Hill, uh if there's something to them or or which ones are are valid and which ones are not valid.

I mean the other problem is that there's so many uh balls in the air at the moment with with uh like Edge Hill uh and the the talks to Edge Hill that also obviously complicates the the situation a little bit, but we'll see what what we get by the next meeting.

It makes it I mean what is it that we would approve if these balls are still in the air.

Um that is a very good question.

I guess we would approve something uh that is based on uh the the current situation, and they would come back with once the um they they have an agreement with Edge Hill.

Um would come back for an for an amendment of yeah uh that project.

I mean, we cannot approve something that is hypothetical dependent on if they get a piece of property or not.

Um that makes sense, okay and at the same time I just feel terrible that all the little kids from that cove area now.

I have to go all the way across town.

I just it's really too bad there wasn't yeah, I mean I know it's less expensive to run it with the current program.

But yeah, at the same time, they they need well, they need to move forward with financing, which um I don't think requires our approval, but they say it makes it easier to get the financing if we've approved it.

Um we do we we need input from traffic and engineering and some others, okay.

APB, and EPB, yes.

How could I forget EPP?

Do we know what the city's gonna do with um old Rogers School once it comes down?

You mean where CLC is now, yeah.

I think it's a new school.

It's a millionaire school, yeah.

Oh so they're tearing it down and then building a new school.

Yeah, there will be um both Katie Murphy and uh Rogers are coming down, and it'll be some sort of split school, like one part of the school will be at the Katie Murphy side, and the other one will be at the Lockwood side.

Okay, I mean the the problem is that the city doesn't really have any land, and acquiring land in Stanford is obviously very expensive, yeah.

Uh undertaking.

So uh that's that's basically the struggle.

So they'll have to build up.

Yep.

We can have like a eight-story school.

Yeah, it's um beautiful.

We have a beautiful building at CTE down off of uh South Pacific Street that could repurpose.

Oh yeah, I think they looked into that, but it's too small.

Okay, yeah.

Okay.

Um there's nothing else.

Uh anyone want to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Second it.

Okay, guys.

I'll tell you.

I mean good evening.

At least it's give me double.

We'll give you double of what you're making.

Well, yeah.

Thanks, guys.

Okay, guys.

Thank you.

Good night.