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Policy Committee Meeting on Connected and Automated Vehicles - August 19, 2026

City Council — Wednesday, August 19, 2026
BodySt Paul, Minnesota
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, August 19, 2026
StatusFILED
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6:56

Roll call, please.

6:58

Ward one, Councilmember Bowie.

7:02

Ward two, Council President Acre.

7:05

Ward three, Councilmember Jost.

7:09

Four.

7:10

Council Member Coleman.

7:12

Here.

7:14

Five.

7:14

Councilmember Kim.

7:15

Here.

7:16

Ward six.

7:17

Councilmember Yang.

7:19

Ward seven.

7:20

Councilmember Johnson.

7:21

Here.

7:22

Seeing five absent.

7:26

Or seeing five present, two absent.

7:28

Um, Council President Acre is excused.

7:33

Thank you.

7:34

Uh we are gonna have a robust conversation about connected and automated vehicles.

7:40

I'm really excited to have Tara Olds and Thomas Johnson Kaiser with us.

7:46

So uh welcome.

7:48

Uh we have several members of the council here.

7:50

We're excited for your presentation.

7:51

We know you've been working with our council president's office, who is the chair, and I'm the vice chair of the policy committee.

7:57

So welcome, and in her absence, I'll be chairing the meeting and moving us through and trying to keep us to the time time time frame that you've been given.

8:04

So welcome.

8:07

Thank you very much, and thank you, Council members.

8:09

My name is Tara Olds.

8:10

I'm the director of connected automated vehicles at the Minnesota Department of Transportation.

8:14

Um my colleague is uh Thomas Johnson Kaiser, and I'll let him introduce himself as well, real quick.

8:19

Good afternoon, Council members.

8:20

Uh Thomas Johnson Kaiser, I'm the policy and playing manager in our connected and automated vehicle office at MINDAP.

8:27

So thank you for inviting us to have a conversation today.

8:29

Uh we're going to give a little overview about automated vehicles, make sure that we're all on the same page of what we're talking about, what they are.

8:35

Talk a little bit about what some of the conversations have been about policy both at the state and federal level, uh, and then answer any questions that you all have.

8:41

So I will note if you guys have questions that while we are speaking.

8:44

I welcome them unless you guys would like to wait till the end, so feel free to tell us how you want to do that as we go.

8:50

Um I also want to just note that nothing we present today is intended to be formal recommendations for city or state regarding policy.

8:56

So please note that all right.

8:59

So before we dive into what are automated vehicles, I like to start with why are we even talking about automated vehicles?

9:05

So um, we do believe that automated vehicles are a future of transportation system.

9:09

We know that there's aspects of transportation that already incorporate technology like this, and we're seeing them more and more around the country as well as uh in the United States and even in the Midwest.

9:20

Um with that being said, a lot of the areas that we often focus on about automated vehicles are safety, increased accessibility, economic growth, and then really just looking at how we can be a part of the conversation with innovation.

9:32

And those potential benefits we talk about are not guarantees.

9:35

Really think that's important to emphasize.

9:36

We believe that these are great opportunities that if we uh see the technology actually get implemented into our system effectively and appropriately, that we might actually see these.

9:45

And these are all things I think we all can strive for.

9:47

But with that, I want to also acknowledge that I think government has a role to play in ensuring that these goals are realized.

9:52

If left to industry alone, this isn't always what's gonna make their bottom line, so we have to make sure that we get the right policies and programs and projects in place to help see that.

10:00

So increased safety.

10:00

We know that there's over 400 fatalities typically on Minnesota roadways annually.

10:04

I think we all would argue that one on our roadway is far too many, and we should all be striving to see zero.

10:08

So anything we can do to increase safety is great.

10:11

Human factors play over 90% of factors of crashes.

10:16

So if you can start to decrease that, you might actually see other benefits in that safety realm come into play as well.

10:21

We also know our transportation system does not serve everybody, does not serve everybody in the way that they want to be served equitably, um, and where they want to get, how they can get to different types of markets, education, um, economic opportunities, right?

10:34

That all differs depending on where you live and what types of services are offered in your communities.

10:38

So we think that providing additional types of technologies that might increase different systems might also provide new opportunities for people and increase that quality of life.

10:47

And then economic growth.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Technology and Innovation█████████████████████████████████████████████53%
Public Policy█████████11%
Workforce Development████████9%
Budget Equity Analysis█████6%
Procedural████5%
Legislative Advocacy████5%
Public Safety███4%
Transportation Safety███3%
Public Transportation██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Policy Committee Meeting: Connected and Automated Vehicles Presentation - August 19, 2026

The Saint Paul City Council Policy Committee, chaired by Vice Chair (in place of Chair Rebecca Noecker, excused), met on August 19, 2026, for a presentation from the Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT) on connected and automated vehicles (AVs). MnDOT Director of Connected Automated Vehicles Tara Olds and Policy and Planning Manager Thomas Johnson Kaiser provided an overview of AV technology, current state and federal policy landscape, and ongoing work by the Governor's Advisory Council on Connected and Automated Vehicles. The presentation was followed by councilmember questions and discussion. The item was received and filed.

Discussion Items

  • Overview of Automated Vehicles: Tara Olds explained AV levels 0–5, noting that no vehicles sold in Minnesota exceed Level 2 (requiring human driver at all times). Key benefits cited include potential safety improvements (human factors contribute to over 90% of crashes, with 400+ annual fatalities in Minnesota), increased accessibility, and economic growth. Risks and unintended consequences were acknowledged, including workforce displacement, deadheading, and equity concerns.
  • MnDOT Demonstration Projects: Olds described three Minnesota AV projects: MedCity Mover (Rochester, 2021–2022), Bear Tracks (White Bear Lake, 2022–2023), and GoMarty (Grand Rapids, ongoing through 2028). All currently require a human operator behind the wheel. Wheelchair securement still requires human assistance.
  • State and National AV Activity: Thomas Johnson Kaiser reported that Minnesota has no specific AV laws (neither prohibiting nor authorizing driverless operations). The Governor's Advisory Council, established in 2018, released policy recommendations in early 2026. During the 2026 legislative session, several AV bills were introduced but none passed. State-level policy themes include testing/deployment, data privacy, insurance, safety verification, accessibility, and workforce impacts.
  • Local Considerations: Presenters noted that most AV regulation occurs at the state level, often with local preemption. They encouraged St. Paul to follow state/federal conversations and participate in forums like NACTO, US DOT peer exchanges, and the Governor's Advisory Council meetings.
  • Councilmember Questions and Comments:
    • Councilmember Coleman asked about the legality of driverless operations under current silence in law. Johnson Kaiser confirmed the ambiguity, noting MnDOT's position that nothing expressly prohibits or authorizes AVs.
    • Coleman also raised safety trade-offs, referencing a California study showing AVs may be unoccupied 50% of the time. Olds acknowledged both potential benefits and challenges, citing an IIHS study showing 68% fewer crashes with Waymo vehicles compared to human drivers.
    • Councilmember Yang inquired about workforce impacts. Presenters said data is limited; job losses likely among drivers, but job creation claims from industry are hard to verify. MnDOT is partnering with DEED on workforce preparation.
    • Councilmember Bowie asked about local representation on the Governor's Council: currently no St. Paul representative, but Minneapolis and League of Minnesota Cities have seats. She also raised equity concerns for immigrant and East African drivers. Presenters noted ongoing stakeholder engagement with labor groups (Teamsters, SEIU, MULDA) and varying perspectives.
    • Councilmember Kim encouraged using the city's legislative platform to advocate for state-level AV policies.

Key Outcomes

  • The presentation was received and filed (unanimous consensus, no formal vote required).
  • Several councilmembers expressed interest in incorporating AV-related priorities into the city's 2027 legislative platform, particularly around worker protection, equity, and local input.
  • MnDOT committed to providing information on streaming options for an upcoming AV summit with a workforce panel.

Meeting Transcript

Roll call, please. Ward one, Councilmember Bowie. Ward two, Council President Acre. Ward three, Councilmember Jost. Four. Council Member Coleman. Here. Five. Councilmember Kim. Here. Ward six. Councilmember Yang. Ward seven. Councilmember Johnson. Here. Seeing five absent. Or seeing five present, two absent. Um, Council President Acre is excused. Thank you. Uh we are gonna have a robust conversation about connected and automated vehicles. I'm really excited to have Tara Olds and Thomas Johnson Kaiser with us. So uh welcome. Uh we have several members of the council here. We're excited for your presentation. We know you've been working with our council president's office, who is the chair, and I'm the vice chair of the policy committee. So welcome, and in her absence, I'll be chairing the meeting and moving us through and trying to keep us to the time time time frame that you've been given. So welcome. Thank you very much, and thank you, Council members. My name is Tara Olds. I'm the director of connected automated vehicles at the Minnesota Department of Transportation. Um my colleague is uh Thomas Johnson Kaiser, and I'll let him introduce himself as well, real quick. Good afternoon, Council members. Uh Thomas Johnson Kaiser, I'm the policy and playing manager in our connected and automated vehicle office at MINDAP. So thank you for inviting us to have a conversation today. Uh we're going to give a little overview about automated vehicles, make sure that we're all on the same page of what we're talking about, what they are. Talk a little bit about what some of the conversations have been about policy both at the state and federal level, uh, and then answer any questions that you all have. So I will note if you guys have questions that while we are speaking. I welcome them unless you guys would like to wait till the end, so feel free to tell us how you want to do that as we go. Um I also want to just note that nothing we present today is intended to be formal recommendations for city or state regarding policy. So please note that all right. So before we dive into what are automated vehicles, I like to start with why are we even talking about automated vehicles? So um, we do believe that automated vehicles are a future of transportation system. We know that there's aspects of transportation that already incorporate technology like this, and we're seeing them more and more around the country as well as uh in the United States and even in the Midwest. Um with that being said, a lot of the areas that we often focus on about automated vehicles are safety, increased accessibility, economic growth, and then really just looking at how we can be a part of the conversation with innovation. And those potential benefits we talk about are not guarantees. Really think that's important to emphasize. We believe that these are great opportunities that if we uh see the technology actually get implemented into our system effectively and appropriately, that we might actually see these. And these are all things I think we all can strive for. But with that, I want to also acknowledge that I think government has a role to play in ensuring that these goals are realized. If left to industry alone, this isn't always what's gonna make their bottom line, so we have to make sure that we get the right policies and programs and projects in place to help see that.

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