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Saint Paul Public Safety Committee Meeting on Homelessness Solutions and Alternative Housing Models – October 28, 2026

City Council — Wednesday, October 28, 2026
BodySt Paul, Minnesota
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, October 28, 2026
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Speaker 1

2:34

Hi, Marta.

2:37

Do you want to talk about

Unassigned speaker

2:38

the

Speaker 1

2:38

services?

3:13

So we only want to have ten minutes to run for the slide in the five minutes.

Speaker 2

5:56

Wellness committee roll call, please.

Speaker 3

6:00

Vice Chair Coleman.

6:02

Johnson.

6:03

Here.

6:04

Joels.

6:05

Here.

6:05

Kim.

6:07

Naker.

6:07

Here.

6:08

Chair Bowie.

Speaker 4

6:09

Here.

Speaker 3

6:10

There are six members present.

6:12

And one excuse.

6:14

Councilmember Yang is excused.

Speaker 4

6:16

Thank you, Pierre.

6:18

So before we even get started, I just want to say good afternoon, everyone.

6:22

The topics that we have covered here in public safety committee today, or we're going to cover today, is going to be a continuous overview of the city's response, particularly to our unsheltered homelessness community and encampments.

6:37

And in this committee, we have heard from our assistant mayor, our county managers, our partners with Catholic charities, and also have took several actions, particularly around not only implementing a 60-day required comprehensive coordinated response, but also looking at some solutions and some long-term investments.

6:57

So before I even get started here, I want to just pass it over to Chair Johnson, HRA chair and budget chair Johnson to talk about, you know, some of the speakers that we have today.

7:13

What does models look like?

7:15

And I just want to say thank you, Chair Johnson, for your leadership.

7:19

Um, but I want to just pass it to you for some remarks before we go into our speakers.

Speaker 5

7:23

Sure.

7:24

Uh thank you, Chair Bowie.

7:25

Uh appreciate that introduction and kind of laying the groundwork for it.

7:29

I'm excited about this presentation.

7:31

Um there's three presenters that'll be coming in today from a variety of different places throughout the state and across the country.

7:39

So really excited to hear from um the low-income housing institute.

7:44

Uh, we'll be hearing from the executive director and members on the team as well who are joining us virtually all the way from Seattle, Washington to talk a little bit about their um work that they've been doing around Seattle's tiny homes.

7:56

I know we've talked a little bit in depth on this body as well about some alternatives to housing, so I think you'll have a few questions for them.

8:03

We thank you so much for being here and thank you for being responsive to the request from the St.

8:08

Paul City Council to present with us today.

8:11

Um, in addition from New Wall, Minnesota, we have the city manager who has joined us, uh, Chris Dalton to talk about their work that they are doing around their barn dominions.

8:21

Um, which I feel like has been a really um innovative uh response to the growing need for affordable housing throughout the state.

8:30

Um, especially as a southwest Minnesota native.

8:33

For me, it's been really interesting to see how our rural partners have been addressing their housing needs and their growing interests in a community that truly basically has more people than they did to housing, and they found ways to um be creative with the land that we have.

8:49

Uh nothing like a good rural Minnesota joke around bar barns and condos, but hey, they're making it work.

8:55

Um, and then lastly, I know several of our council colleagues have toured, including myself, Aviva Village and Minneapolis.

9:02

Um, and I know we'll be able to hear about the interior model that Avivo has been making work in in Minneapolis, but also recently in St.

9:12

Cloud, Minnesota.

9:13

So looking forward to hearing from all three of those presenters.

9:18

Thank you again for just uh being so responsive and being willing to share that with the St.

9:22

Paul City Council today.

Speaker 4

9:23

Absolutely.

9:23

Thank you, Chair Johnson.

9:25

So we're gonna go straight into our agenda.

9:26

So we have our agenda item one, uh Pierre if you get a chance to just read it into the record, and then we'll invite our speakers who are already joining us virtually.

Speaker 3

9:36

Now reading into the record, item number one, SR 26-239, tiny home villages, supportive services, housing pathways, and collaborative public safety solutions.

Speaker 6

9:50

Welcome.

9:53

Hello, good morning.

9:54

Oh, good afternoon, everybody.

9:57

I'm Sharon Lee, and I'm the executive director of the low-income housing institute.

10:01

We're a nonprofit housing organization, and we refer to us ourselves as Lehigh.

10:07

And I want to introduce um Marta Kadani, and she's our community outreach specialist, and then um Donna Anderson, who is our regional operations manager, and um Nate is my executive assistant, and he'll be running the PowerPoint, so we can get going.

10:22

I know um you have a short um period of time to get a lot of information.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Affordable Housing████████████████████████████████32%
Homelessness█████████████████████████████29%
Housing███████████████████19%
Land Use Regulation████████8%
Public Safety██████6%
Procedural███3%
Mental Health Awareness███3%
Summary of Proceedings

Saint Paul Public Safety Committee Meeting on Homelessness Solutions and Alternative Housing Models – October 28, 2026

The Saint Paul Public Safety Committee, chaired by Anika Bowie, convened on October 28, 2026, at 12:30 PM in Council Chambers. The meeting focused on exploring innovative housing models to address unsheltered homelessness and expand affordable housing options. Presentations were delivered by the Low Income Housing Institute (LIHI) from Seattle, the City of New Ulm, and Avivo of Minneapolis. Six council members were present (Vice Chair Coleman, Johnson, Jost, Kim, Noecker, Bowie); Councilmember Yang was excused. No public comments were heard, and no formal votes were taken.

Agenda Item 1: Tiny-Home Villages – Supportive Services, Housing Pathways, and Collaborative Public Safety Solutions (SR 26-239)

  • Presenters: Sharon Lee (Executive Director), Donna Anderson (Regional Shelter Operations Manager), and Marta Kidane (Community Engagement Manager) of the Low Income Housing Institute (LIHI), joining virtually from Seattle, Washington.
  • LIHI operates 19 tiny house villages with 803 tiny houses, in addition to 4,000 units of affordable housing, five hotel conversions, and two urban rest stops providing free showers and laundry. Each tiny house is 8x12 feet, costs about $5,000 in materials, and includes electricity, heating, air conditioning, and insulation. Villages are fenced, staffed 24/7, and have one secured entrance. Residents agree to a code of conduct; case managers and behavioral health specialists are on site. Meals are provided, and bathrooms are individual and handicap accessible.
  • LIHI partners with 11 faith organizations (churches) that lease land for villages, as well as city, transit, and private property owners. In 2025, they served 1,600 adults and children who were unsheltered.
  • The City of Seattle has streamlined permitting, declared a civil emergency around homelessness, and passed legislation allowing transitional encampments, increasing village capacity up to 150 people (and up to 250 in one village), and allowing direct negotiation with private landowners.
  • LIHI also operates RV safe lots to address RV dwelling and redevelops former village sites into permanent affordable housing after 3–5 years.
  • Councilmember Jost asked about operating costs. Lee responded that costs vary by size and site complexity (water, sewer, electricity) and offered to provide examples. Council President Noecker asked why villages are replaced with affordable housing; Lee explained that sites are often acquired with the intent to build permanent housing, and villages serve as interim use. Councilmember Johnson praised the model and noted that LIHI assembled the presentation in under two weeks. Chair Bowie highlighted the importance of Seattle’s permitting flexibility and the hygiene centers as a potential model for St. Paul.

Agenda Item 2: Alternative Housing Development – Zoning, Financial Feasibility, and Scalability of Barndominium Models (SR 26-244)

  • Presenter: Chris Dalton, City Manager of New Ulm, Minnesota, appearing in person.
  • New Ulm’s Land Haven Barndominium Project combines residential spaces with large garages/storage/business areas on 2.5 acres of industrial (I-1) zoned land. The project includes 22 joint storage/residential units and 6 storage-only units. It was enabled by a Planned Unit Development (PUD) that allowed reduced setbacks. All internal maintenance is handled by an association; noise complaints are governed by business hours.
  • Financing is private. Three barndominiums have pulled permits at roughly $410,000 each; four storage units at about $145,000 each (building value only). The city provided public assistance of $217,000, including selling the land for $1 and paying 50% of special assessments ($115,000). Tax abatement and TIF remain available but have not been requested.
  • The project is not affordable housing per se but targets “snowbirds,” empty nesters, and tradespeople who need combined living and workspace. Dalton noted that freeing up existing lower-priced homes (under $200,000) may benefit first-time homebuyers.
  • Councilmember Johnson asked about site size (2.5 acres) and zoning discussions. Dalton explained that the PUD allowed residential use in an industrial zone and that staff worked closely with the developer and city attorney. A separate tiny home project in New Ulm used the same PUD mechanism. Council President Noecker characterized the public benefit as removing undesirable industrial uses from residential neighborhoods and expanding housing choices. Johnson added that this model helps address the gap between high mortgages and need for extra space/business operations.

Agenda Item 3: Indoor Village Shelter Models – Public Safety, Community Partnerships, and Operational Considerations (SR 26-246)

  • Presenter: Kelly Matter, President & CEO of Avivo, appearing in person.
  • Avivo Village in Minneapolis (100 units, opened December 2020) and a newly opened 48-unit village in St. Cloud (opened less than 10 days prior) serve individuals with the highest acuities who are sleeping outside. 92% of those served in Minneapolis were chronically homeless; 99% had a long-duration disability; 40% had a chronic health condition; 90% had a serious mental health diagnosis; 89% had substance use disorder; 29% had a developmental disability.
  • The model is low-barrier: allows pets (64 dogs, 21 cats last year), partners, privacy (individual lockable 8x8 units), and possessions (with storage). 24/7 staffing includes a third-party security team (Relative Intel) and a minimum of five staff on site (four resident advocates and one leadership staff). The average length of stay is around 100 days; there are no term requirements for residents, though St. Cloud has a 120-day ordinance.
  • Minneapolis: $4 million rehab of an existing warehouse (COVID dollars); annual operating budget of $5 million (including $36,000/month rent). St. Cloud: $9 million new construction (city contributed $1.1 million; state contributed approximately $8.2 million); annual operating cost of $3.1 million. 40% of residents move to permanent supportive housing; many go to treatment with housing.
  • Councilmember Johnson asked about term requirements (none) and cost comparisons. Matter provided the figures above. Councilmember Kim (via questions/comments) had requested tour details. Matter emphasized partnerships with all levels of government, neighborhood associations, and a good neighbor agreement. Chair Bowie noted the importance of providing a place to go during Minnesota winters rather than simply closing encampments.

Key Outcomes

  • The committee received information on three alternative housing models. No formal votes or resolutions were adopted.
  • Chair Bowie indicated an interest in reviewing St. Paul’s permitting system and exploring ordinances to facilitate tiny house villages, as well as following up on Seattle’s hygiene center model.
  • Councilmember Johnson and Chair Bowie committed to follow-up communications with LIHI, New Ulm, and Avivo to obtain detailed cost data and explore potential partnerships.
  • Chief Gibbs (Interim Fire Chief) and a deputy chief were present for the barndominium discussion; no comments were recorded from them.
  • The meeting adjourned without further business.

Meeting Transcript

Hi, Marta. Do you want to talk about the services? So we only want to have ten minutes to run for the slide in the five minutes. Wellness committee roll call, please. Vice Chair Coleman. Johnson. Here. Joels. Here. Kim. Naker. Here. Chair Bowie. Here. There are six members present. And one excuse. Councilmember Yang is excused. Thank you, Pierre. So before we even get started, I just want to say good afternoon, everyone. The topics that we have covered here in public safety committee today, or we're going to cover today, is going to be a continuous overview of the city's response, particularly to our unsheltered homelessness community and encampments. And in this committee, we have heard from our assistant mayor, our county managers, our partners with Catholic charities, and also have took several actions, particularly around not only implementing a 60-day required comprehensive coordinated response, but also looking at some solutions and some long-term investments. So before I even get started here, I want to just pass it over to Chair Johnson, HRA chair and budget chair Johnson to talk about, you know, some of the speakers that we have today. What does models look like? And I just want to say thank you, Chair Johnson, for your leadership. Um, but I want to just pass it to you for some remarks before we go into our speakers. Sure. Uh thank you, Chair Bowie. Uh appreciate that introduction and kind of laying the groundwork for it. I'm excited about this presentation. Um there's three presenters that'll be coming in today from a variety of different places throughout the state and across the country. So really excited to hear from um the low-income housing institute. Uh, we'll be hearing from the executive director and members on the team as well who are joining us virtually all the way from Seattle, Washington to talk a little bit about their um work that they've been doing around Seattle's tiny homes. I know we've talked a little bit in depth on this body as well about some alternatives to housing, so I think you'll have a few questions for them. We thank you so much for being here and thank you for being responsive to the request from the St. Paul City Council to present with us today. Um, in addition from New Wall, Minnesota, we have the city manager who has joined us, uh, Chris Dalton to talk about their work that they are doing around their barn dominions. Um, which I feel like has been a really um innovative uh response to the growing need for affordable housing throughout the state. Um, especially as a southwest Minnesota native. For me, it's been really interesting to see how our rural partners have been addressing their housing needs and their growing interests in a community that truly basically has more people than they did to housing, and they found ways to um be creative with the land that we have. Uh nothing like a good rural Minnesota joke around bar barns and condos, but hey, they're making it work. Um, and then lastly, I know several of our council colleagues have toured, including myself, Aviva Village and Minneapolis. Um, and I know we'll be able to hear about the interior model that Avivo has been making work in in Minneapolis, but also recently in St. Cloud, Minnesota. So looking forward to hearing from all three of those presenters. Thank you again for just uh being so responsive and being willing to share that with the St. Paul City Council today. Absolutely. Thank you, Chair Johnson.

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