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Planning Commission Meeting on July 7, 2023: EV Charging Zoning and More

Planning CommissionFriday, July 7, 2023
BodySt Paul, Minnesota
SessionPlanning Commission
DateFriday, July 7, 2023
StatusFILED
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0:18

I think we could start the meeting.

0:20

Okay.

0:23

Good morning.

0:25

Three tabs.

0:26

I heard our four taps.

0:28

Good morning.

0:30

Greetings.

0:31

We're here today for our planning commission.

0:42

Meeting on July 7th.

0:54

Okay.

0:55

Approval or the minutes.

0:57

Yeah.

0:57

Okay.

0:57

Now we definitely have a quorum.

1:03

Okay, next on our agenda.

1:10

Okay, we're uh we're gonna have an approval of the minutes from June 9th and June 23rd.

1:17

Hopefully everybody had a chance to read them.

1:22

Now I will ask for a motion.

1:27

Okay, is there second?

1:28

Second.

1:29

Thank you, Commissioner Riley.

1:31

Minutes have been uh moved and seconded.

1:35

Is there any um questions?

1:38

Corrections.

1:41

Did I call for the vote?

1:43

All in favor, any nays any abstentions?

1:49

See none uh minutes for from June 9th and June 23rd.

1:56

We're here today too um for a public hearing on the electric vehicle charging zone zoning study, but before we take public hearing, there is a presentation by our PED staff Bill who's getting ready and set up set up.

2:16

Thank you, Chair Commissioners.

2:18

Um since we don't have a large crowd, I will give the very brief update rather than reviewing what uh we already talked about last time.

2:26

So um we do have draft code amendments out to the public.

2:31

You release those for review on May 12th.

2:35

Um so that was actually a longer than minimum uh review time.

2:40

We did the standard engagement um with the public notice to the email list to the district councils and published in the pioneer press.

2:51

Um we also reached out to update the the four developer contacts that I'd connected with earlier and our friends from Sherling Associates are one of them, they they came to give the comments.

3:04

We invited the other folks to give their comments as well.

3:07

Um I talked with a few organs as well who are really interested in the sustainability and equity interface.

3:16

Uh I don't think they're gonna comment on this in particular.

3:19

Uh we actually ended up talking about what needs to come after this more than the actual uh amendments themselves.

3:27

Um we also uh director Panera just since we've sent a written brief to the co-chairs of the business review council as well.

3:37

Um sort of ship short notice, so I don't imagine that they will weigh in on on the record unless we extend the time, which is something that we're we're recommending at least so BRC could weigh in.

3:50

Um normally we close the public hearing on the on Monday, but uh we'll suggest that you leave it open at three days from today.

3:58

Uh we take a little more time with this because there's not a deadline to it, and I will allow that business input.

4:05

Um at least in written form.

4:08

So we've got public hearing today, and then the uh it would come back to committee and then planning commission, and then there'll be another city council hearing at some point in the future.

4:17

So if you were to leave this open for a month, we'd probably come back to committee in August and then planning commission and either August or September and then on to City Council.

4:27

Uh and there's no reason from a staff point of view that that timeline wouldn't be problematic.

4:34

A reminder that you had put out some questions to the public.

4:38

These were those questions essentially did we get it right with regard to a few specific details of uh what is in the draft ordinance.

4:49

So just a reminder of what those are, including the thresholds for kicking in at 15 spaces and uh you know all the other details up there on the screen.

5:00

So um with that, uh be glad to take any other questions before you open the public hearing.

5:17

Um this is actually personal, so um the east side and we don't have garages.

5:24

Um so could a um again uh a homeowner or like a neighborhood um request the charging station be installed in the the right-of-way area.

5:40

Um chair commissioner more at this point in time, there that's not something that we could do, but you can make that request so that we know where demand is.

5:53

We're hoping in the future that we can expand uh what's called the EV spot network, which is our in the right-of-way charging system.

6:01

We've got about 35 of those in the city.

6:05

Um I think they're all installed, or if they aren't, they're they're being installed like now this summer.

6:12

Um, then we there's funding to expand that somewhat, especially on the east side and along the goal line that's under construction.

6:20

We hope beyond that expansion, there will be more usually, maybe on the block.

6:26

We do know this is a big problem.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Technology and Innovation███████████████████████████████████35%
Land Use Regulation██████████████████████████26%
Affordable Housing███████████11%
Procedural█████████9%
Public Transportation███████7%
Public Engagement█████5%
Engineering And Infrastructure██2%
Environmental Protection██2%
Personnel Matters1%
Summary of Proceedings

Planning Commission Meeting Summary

The St. Paul Planning Commission convened on July 7, 2023, at 14:30 UTC. The main agenda included a public hearing on proposed electric vehicle (EV) charging zoning code amendments, followed by reports from the Zoning Committee and the Comprehensive and Neighborhood Planning Committee. The commission also welcomed two new staff members and addressed administrative items.

Consent Calendar

  • Approved the minutes from the June 9 and June 23 planning commission meetings by voice vote, with no corrections or objections.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Dan Collison (233 Park Avenue South, Minneapolis) and Bob Lund (vice president of facilities) represented Sherman Associates. They expressed general support for the EV charging policy but urged flexibility. Collison noted that they are targeting 3-5% of parking stalls equipped with Level 2 chargers and 50% as charger-ready across new properties. He raised concerns about requiring chargers on day one, management challenges, and the need for waivers if utility power cannot meet demand. Lund emphasized that requirements should be demand-based (per unit or employee) rather than per stall. He cited that in their Denver property, EV charging utilization was only 30-40%, and in their Minneapolis luxury property, they lost 3-6 leases per month due to lack of Level 2 chargers, while deeply affordable properties saw zero demand. He argued that charger-ready infrastructure is preferable to installing chargers immediately and cost about 50-70% of the total. Lund also noted that electrical infrastructure costs are rising 15-20% annually and transformers have long lead times.
  • No other public speakers testified, and the written record was extended to allow additional comments.

Discussion Items

  • EV Charging Zoning Study: Staff (Bill) presented the draft code amendments, noting a longer-than-minimum public review period (released May 12). He recommended extending the public comment period to August 7, 2023, to allow the Business Review Council and other small business stakeholders time to provide input, given potential impacts on small businesses. There was no deadline pressure, and the timeline could accommodate a September or October city council hearing.
  • Commissioner Moore raised a question about EV charging in right-of-way, and staff clarified that while not currently possible, residents can request such installations; the city has about 35 EV Spot network units.
  • Commissioner Starley (an EV driver) discussed hotel charging and noted that EV travelers know which hotels have chargers, but staff and Sherman representatives noted that urban hotels may have low demand, and public parking might be more appropriate.
  • After the public hearing, Commissioner X (name not captured) expressed encouragement to focus on environmental benefits and future generations, despite costs. Commissioner Presley (acting chair) and Planning Director Padera reaffirmed the extension of the comment period.
  • Zoning Committee Report: Commissioner Riley reported on item 897 St. Paul Avenue, a rezoning from Office Service (OS) to Traditional Neighborhood (T2). No one spoke at the committee public hearing, and the committee recommended approval unanimously. During commission discussion, Commissioner Show noted the contrast with a previous controversial pizza place case and questioned the consistency of decisions based on business type and street context. Staff (director) responded that the street classification and non-conforming status were key differences, and there is a broader policy question about commercial uses in residential areas.
  • Comprehensive and Neighborhood Planning Committee Report: Commissioner Saeed reported on the second phase of the 1-4 Units Study. The committee discussed combining H1 and H2 zoning districts and eliminating H3, merging it into H2. The discussion was postponed to a special meeting on July 12, 2023, due to the complexity of the packet. Staff noted the study is about 60 days behind schedule, with a recommendation expected in August or September. Commissioner X suggested that new H districts might lead to a future commercial zoning study; staff mentioned existing T district studies are already underway.
  • Transportation Committee Report: Commissioner reported that the July 12 meeting was canceled. On June 26, they heard about the John Ireland and Bullbird bridge reconstruction (three options), a half-million-dollar trail connection (half-block) connecting two bike trails, and the Flan Dro bike boulevard planning study for a 2.5-mile north-south connection on the east side.
  • Staff welcomed new planners Christina Hong (current planning team) and Anna Jerome (long-range planning team) to the commission.

Key Outcomes

  • EV Charging Public Hearing: The commission voted to close the public hearing but extended the written comment period to August 7, 2023, at 4:30 p.m. The matter will be forwarded to the Comprehensive and Neighborhood Planning Committee for further review before returning to the commission.
  • 897 St. Paul Avenue Rezoning: The commission approved the rezoning from OS to T2 by voice vote, with no opposition.
  • 1-4 Units Study: The committee will hold a special meeting on July 12, 2023, to continue discussion, with a recommendation anticipated by late summer.
  • The meeting adjourned after the above items.

Meeting Transcript

I think we could start the meeting. Okay. Good morning. Three tabs. I heard our four taps. Good morning. Greetings. We're here today for our planning commission. Meeting on July 7th. Okay. Approval or the minutes. Yeah. Okay. Now we definitely have a quorum. Okay, next on our agenda. Okay, we're uh we're gonna have an approval of the minutes from June 9th and June 23rd. Hopefully everybody had a chance to read them. Now I will ask for a motion. Okay, is there second? Second. Thank you, Commissioner Riley. Minutes have been uh moved and seconded. Is there any um questions? Corrections. Did I call for the vote? All in favor, any nays any abstentions? See none uh minutes for from June 9th and June 23rd. We're here today too um for a public hearing on the electric vehicle charging zone zoning study, but before we take public hearing, there is a presentation by our PED staff Bill who's getting ready and set up set up. Thank you, Chair Commissioners. Um since we don't have a large crowd, I will give the very brief update rather than reviewing what uh we already talked about last time. So um we do have draft code amendments out to the public. You release those for review on May 12th. Um so that was actually a longer than minimum uh review time. We did the standard engagement um with the public notice to the email list to the district councils and published in the pioneer press. Um we also reached out to update the the four developer contacts that I'd connected with earlier and our friends from Sherling Associates are one of them, they they came to give the comments. We invited the other folks to give their comments as well. Um I talked with a few organs as well who are really interested in the sustainability and equity interface. Uh I don't think they're gonna comment on this in particular. Uh we actually ended up talking about what needs to come after this more than the actual uh amendments themselves. Um we also uh director Panera just since we've sent a written brief to the co-chairs of the business review council as well. Um sort of ship short notice, so I don't imagine that they will weigh in on on the record unless we extend the time, which is something that we're we're recommending at least so BRC could weigh in. Um normally we close the public hearing on the on Monday, but uh we'll suggest that you leave it open at three days from today. Uh we take a little more time with this because there's not a deadline to it, and I will allow that business input. Um at least in written form. So we've got public hearing today, and then the uh it would come back to committee and then planning commission, and then there'll be another city council hearing at some point in the future. So if you were to leave this open for a month, we'd probably come back to committee in August and then planning commission and either August or September and then on to City Council. Uh and there's no reason from a staff point of view that that timeline wouldn't be problematic. A reminder that you had put out some questions to the public. These were those questions essentially did we get it right with regard to a few specific details of uh what is in the draft ordinance. So just a reminder of what those are, including the thresholds for kicking in at 15 spaces and uh you know all the other details up there on the screen.

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