Commissioner Riley.

All right, I'm gonna call to order the May, or excuse me, the October 11, 2024 meeting of the St.

Paul Planning Commission.

Our first order of business is approval of the minutes from September 27, 2024.

Do I have a motion?

So move.

Okay.

Move by Commissioner Holtz, seconded by Commissioner Riley.

Do I have any discussion on the minutes?

Seeing none, uh, we'll move to a vote.

All those in favor.

I all those opposed.

All right.

Um motion passes.

Uh next up our announcements.

Um just a quick note on the OWL, our audio visual recording equipment.

Um, during the meetings, if uh you're sort of whispering or doing other stuff, uh, the owl picks up everything and it is sort of moving the both moving the camera and making transcription a little bit harder.

Um, and so I do recommend if you haven't watched any any clips of the planning commission, it might be helpful to take a look.

Um also just for your own edification.

I didn't realize what I looked like on this thing, and now I'm terrified.

Um just a quick note for Caroline uh in particular to make transmission easier.

Uh next up is the director.

I don't have any announcements today.

No announcements from the director.

Um, then that brings us to the zoning committee.

Uh Commissioner Tanger.

Thank you, Chair.

So um we met uh last week and we had one well two items on the agenda relating to the same um project.

So the address is 470 white bear on file numbers 24078931 because of rezoning and 24078938 because of C UP.

Um so essentially um they are looking it's currently a vacant lot.

Um we're looking to rezone from H2 to RM2 um to build a multifamily building um at that location.

Um and then they asked for a CUP for a supportive housing facility.

Um and I believe that's the um the uh the the vote I I can't pull up my internet sadly, but um the the uh the voting committee for white bear was the motion carried, I think it was three or four to one um as the opposing, and then on the CUP it was unanimous okay.

Um so we have uh the update from Commissioner Taggy.

We have a motion coming out of committee.

Is there a discussion on the motion?

Um we will take these, we'll discuss them together, but we'll vote on that individually.

So we'll take the rezoning first.

Is there any any discussion on the rezoning?

Uh Commissioner Hackney.

Sure, I was just wondering what the uh what was Commissioner Dagioff's reason for Commissioner.

Yeah, absolutely.

So um so when we think about rezoning, we need to think about whether the zoning is appropriate independently of the parking site.

Um and when I looked at the various planning contexts, um, I noted that we looked at the um there's a roadline small area plan, which which kind of regulates that area.

Um and that plan was really specific.

Um it's it defined density at three different levels and said right around 94 where the station is, we want to have this kind of density, which is defined as two five stories.

Um map around an area that excluded this area.

Um then the rest of that area we want to be maybe in fill off T type level, right?

So it was very specific as that to the point of drawing a map and all the current development in the area also um kind of conforms to that, and this would be the one which does not.

So um I I couldn't find a way to read and approve small area plan consistently with this application.

Um so I suppose I think what we should do as a city is not ignore small area plans, but um if we no longer agree with the moment policy perspective, we should amend those plans and then do applications like this.

So that's why I voted against Is there any other discussion on the particular motion?

All right.

Chair, I guess I I would just say that I generally appreciate that sentiment and would support it entirely if we were not in the middle of uh national nationwide severe housing crisis.

Thank you, Commissioner Riley.

And I'll uh thank you.

Um and kind of the discussion that we had um during the zoning committee is that because we have so many uh plans, uh comprehensive, uh so many different plans, they naturally come in opposition with each other because uh the same way that we can look at small area plans that say that there are um comprehensive plans of 2041 specifically that we saw that point out white bear as a major thoroughfare with transit with future plans as Commissioner Sherlin pointed.

Um future plans for transit with the the gold line and um the H line, I believe.

So we we thought that the the corridor as a whole um kind of warranted that um added density.

Uh Commissioner Tanger.