No, I'm not playing.

Let me check with comes from Matt.

Where are we with that one?

We are in contact.

Properties under new management will be a matter of the commissioner of assessment.

We'll be uh Matt OJ, Commissioner of Assessment.

Um we'll be continuing.

Has there been a meeting with residents?

There has not been a meeting with residents.

Uh we are in the process of getting in touch with new management.

Okay, so I'll hold it.

Let's hold that.

Oh wow.

Yeah, that surprised me too.

Okay.

Okay.

Thanks, Matt.

So we'll hold it, President.

All right.

And uh D is ready too.

All right.

Unless there's any questions.

And I have item 10.

Yes.

I'm gonna call that one ready.

Counselor Caldwell.

Thank you, madam president.

Blessings to see you today.

Blessings for all today.

I have items 11 through 16, and Commissioner Byrd is here.

Good afternoon, Saisha Bird, Commissioner Parks.

Welcome back.

Thank you.

Okay.

Um commissioner, you can start.

I mean, I know some of these are just regular things, but we can move forward.

First item is number 11 to accept the donation.

Um from Syracuse University on behalf of Parks.

It's a in kind of used water dispensers and water coolers.

So not to exceed the value of a thousand dollars.

Great.

Item 12.

Um application and agreement to apply for um under Dan's knee, a New York BRICS grant for three community centers to install HVAC.

Bova um at Schiller seals at Kirk in Westmoreland.

Awesome.

Okay.

Sounds good.

13.

That's a bond ordinance authorizing um the selling bond of a not to exceed 150,000 for fountains.

And 14 is to authorize that.

And it lists the fountain's handover, um, upper and lower onadaga and high wat the lake.

Is there a reason why we're bonding instead of using um you know why we're bonding for this and not using cash capital?

Yeah, cash capital.

I can go back and ask, you know.

Okay, yeah, there's a specific line, I think, counselor, isn't there for monuments?

Yes, budget.

For monuments and fountains.

Well, let me see.

Is he on that committee?

So wouldn't that be on the cat?

Wouldn't that be in the line of the budget already?

Um, Counselor Hogan.

I would think so.

I would think so unless they've exceeded it.

I mean, or maybe they can get the information to us before the voting is.

Okay, I'll give it to the office.

Okay, yep.

Um 15.

15 is to amend the ordinance of purchase for veterinary emergency services from veterinary medical center on behalf of parks not to exceed 14,000.

It's a two-year um with a two-year renewal option.

Okay.

16 and then 16 is the purchase from peaceful pets and pet cremation services to handle the needs of post-life services, not to exceed 60, um, $6,000.

All right.

Sounds good.

Any other questions, my fellow counselors?

I guess not.

Thank you.

Thank you, and I'll get that answer to you.

Okay, counselor Majuk.

Thank you, madam president.

I have item 17 to 23.

Chief.

How are you?

Good to see you.

Um, 17.

This one was polled last session.

Are we can it continue to keep it polled or we pushing it forward or yes?

We we will hold these item.

Okay, again.

Yep.

Um, still having some conversation as you know.

All right.

So 18.

This is an agreement with uh Sydney Irving Music.

Um, she does our international anthem and all our special events, the graduation swearing and promotional ceremonies, etc.

This would be the first year of two year renewal on a three-year contract, uh, and it costs not to exceed two thousand five hundred dollars annually.

Chief question, I know I've been gone a long time, but wasn't that the young lady that was from out of the city?

Yep, she's uh yeah, she's not doing it right now.

Okay, so who is Sydney Irving?

Sydney Irving is a national recording artist that we came before this body and asked permission to uh have her saying it.

She's a national recording artist.

She does a really good job for us.

Is she in the city?

No.

I don't think so.

And I think Chief to Madam President Point, we had a conversation the last time when this was in front of us that it was the preference of this body that with a dozen.

Is we should give it to a city resident as we have many of our kids and you know, performers that that can do as good of a job if not better.

I don't know what where did that conversation everyone.

I don't recall that conversation, to be honest with you.

Um this is a three-year contract, and this is the second year of it.

Okay.

No we did have that conversation because you don't have some talented children in ourselves I believe I just don't recall it.

Okay.

So what what do we do with this?

Because I I I don't I don't know if I'm comfortable to continue to give you know opportunities to people outside of the city when our people can actually do them.

Yep.

So you you can always approve it without the um what without the extensions or whatever because um isn't uh didn't you say something about this was being this was uh urgent matter or something or no no not not the performance not not not the performing one we the the early one was the civil service one this is this is not an urgent this is not it oh okay this is for the music national anthem when officers have events and stuff like that yeah but yeah I mean if you're telling me you're not gonna prove it uh because we're not a city resident then we'll have to circle back around please would you yep okay we will hold we'll hold that I'm I'm gonna wait for you okay okay to see where we go with it yep um any other questions oh I see uh nineteen chief nineteen uh nineteen this one as I spoke to you about ahead of time sir uh yes it's a payment for Jimmy Oliver's summer camp at the uh community folk art center uh we had discussed it jimmy oliver and it made the initial application to get this approved uh on June 2nd um the event wasn't until the third week of July that should have been plenty of time passed through all the city requirements got to the county level county rejected it seemed said it needed to come back here for legislation so we got caught short on time and that's when I reached out to you to explain what happened.

And he has the money in his budget for this.

Then I had a conversation with Chief and it just it just seemed like it was less of their doing than than anything else so it's uh I'm okay with that if everyone is yeah uh 20 chief and then 20 is um I also reached out to you about it was a uh galaxy uh media communications this one here the county announced the civil service test another one announced the civil service test put us in like a two week and a couple day period to get any kind of advertising out there was no pre-warning for us pre-notification that this was coming um so I reached out to Consulman Julk and asked we could this uh uh advertising is geared towards minority candidates um and so we reached out made the contract with galaxy communications to get this information out is there a way Chief we can just because it it's it sound like you know you you you're tired of the process too because it leaves you guys out until the last minute yes so I talked to Lieutenant Tom who runs the training division I I believe I sent that to an email as well what we're going to do is I'm gonna have Lieutenant Tom uh estimate we're gonna want to do this at least twice a year and to submit legislation in the coming uh next few sessions there will be uh requests for the money out of his budget to spend it not to exceed a certain amount so probably around double this 12,000 dollars maybe a little bit more but that way we'll have the legislation and we won't get caught in an emergency situation.

That would be wonderful.

Chief question for you when you're talking about minority hiring are you gonna have different languages where they're gonna have different languages as they're recruiting so uh I have uh I can provide it's uh we did provide uh a list of what the advertising uh will contain what will be in it I can make sure you should get a copy of that I appreciate that yep and and in in terms of um I know uh is it I think it's Lieutenant Tom right Lieutenant Tom Lieutenant Tom and a couple of other officers that are especially with from communities with people uh with English as a second language yes they they they do great job out there you know I've there's a couple of event I've have been there and then the interaction is is it's wonderful I think that the strategy around pushing those individuals with within those communities to interface with them I think that's a good yes so Lieutenant Tom uh took our recruitment from a couple people that sat in office and you know hit all the different events the high schools not took it to expand it to an entire team and he tries to send people in the team to people that look like them so if it's a military base to try to send people that were in the army or navy or whatever base if it's you know high school they send the recruitment team if it's a a Latin American event they'll send Spanish speaking officers and new American and so on and so forth.

So that's how we that's how we target different groups right now for recruitment.

I have seen it with we're refugee day that's the we're a good number of them down there back in June yeah um and it was it was great the reception was great the the comfort level was great so whatever however you are doing that keep doing it.

Uh the minimum age is 18.

The officer.

So we were going through that last night.

Uh we had a young man in there, it's just from our cadet program.

Just uh he will be you have to be 20 by the time you graduate the academy.

And the academy is how long?

Six months.

Okay.

So recruiting.

Well, minimum of 19-year-old 19 years old.

Yeah, 18 and a half, 19 in that neighborhood.

What's the age out?

I don't know if there is one, but I know that the state just uh passed legislation that expanded the minimum age from I think it was uh 29 with additional years of provided for military experience up to like 43.

So we have expanded the gene pool from the bottom.

So let's face it, today's 43 is you know, last decades 29.

People are staying in better shape.

They're they're fit as long as they meet our standards, then we'd be glad to expand the poll and take a look at them.

It used to be 37.

It was it was 29, and then you could add up to six years for military experience.

I I think we had a memorializing resolution asking the state to do that.

We joined a bunch of three.

43, I think that they just raised it.

But they just went up to 43 the state did.

Yes.

With the civil service, you mean?

Yes, you for a police officer.

That's good too.

Where are we gonna promote this?

Are we gonna go like White Branch Library?

Are we gonna go maybe North Light North Side Learning Center where people come in every day?

So Lieutenant Tom does all that stuff.

He has these contacts and he he has all kind it's a whole plethora of things he does.

He teaches classes, he does outreach, he's done the outreach at the community centers.

Uh usually before Tess is given, time provided, he will set up uh training sessions to tell people what they gotta do to prepare for the test in different quadrants of the city.

So these are this is just stuff that we do just matter of factly.

Okay.

Northside learning center.

Okay.

But he did want to actually happen to sit through that one.

So I'm not sure.

Have we done anything with MBT Bank Stadium?

Because there's always a lot of tables.

Okay, good.

With a presence, I think the chief is throwing out the first ball.

So we got some people from the academy.

We're gonna be doing some Glad Hannon and some yes.

I'll be in the Hall of Fame Museum on Friday at 5.15.

We want to come by.

Is an inductee?

Well, well, no, you can come by showing some memorabilia we got in the hall of the okay.

I'll offer him that.

Yeah, all right.

No.

So you were having a ceremony.

We're gonna be able to do that.

No, I'm not gonna have a ceremony from the first picture.

Okay, go ahead.

Um so that that was that was 20.

Um, I think that's it for you, right?

That's right for me.

So before you leave, Chief, how did the night out go last night?

I didn't go to that.

Uh Chief Ross and Chief Trudal went to that.

Chief Cecil and I went up to, we had a uh first night of a new class uh bringing them in for the background checks.

Every year okay.

Did you have recruitment down there?

Officer Jackson does a great job of setting uh setting everything up.

So we have plenty of resources down there last night.

Okay.

I'm done.

All right.

Uh item 21 is a CRB item.

21, 22.

Good afternoon, counselor.

Good to see you, Nalita.

Good to see you.

Nalita from the Citizens Review Board.

Um, and we are asking for uh the fiscal year of 2025-26.

Um for who's kick and hostings, not to exceed 25,000.

We've been using them, and so we're just re up in until we find something else, maybe.

Someone else will look around, but for the meantime, I'll I'll use the same people.

Yeah, so this is this is uh for the legal services for CRB to use the board and everything else that that they need to to get their work going.

So um and for right good, yes.

22?

22 is for our investigation.

We've been using um Virgil Hudson, which is uh freelance investigation.

Hopefully, we will eventually tune out using them because we will hire our own investigator and we'll use them as needed.

Yeah.

Can I ask you a question about the investigations?

Would you have um your board members do are any of the board members trained in investigating?

I can't really say if they are.

Um I think we have I'm I'm still new and getting to know what everybody is capable of doing.

Um I do know Donald Johnson does have some experience in investigation.

So yeah, I mean I've been handling uh.

I'm Don Johnson.

I've been handling uh some of the preliminary uh investigation um before we send it over the Virgil if we need to send it over the free land.

Um so a lot of that work now I'm I'm doing it while I'm in the office until I finally leave that position.

So you're the only one, Don, or is that somebody else training?

Uh I'm the only one now.

And what what plans are is that we're gonna be training the entire board on how to start looking at cases for investigation so we can speed up the process to get uh those backlogs uh taken care of.

So that that that is even more helpful, right?

If even if you are not going the field to do it just in itself, vetting the case itself internally.

That is correct.

That level of skills is helpful.

That is correct.

So any other questions?

I think that you are getting ready to bring someone in, right?

Well, we haven't had anyone apply as of yet, but they turned me down yesterday.

I know I'm not talking about that.

No, I'm not talking about that.

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about a new in your office.

You're getting ready there.

Yes, we're um we've just hired a legal secretary.

She'll be starting on the 13th.

So you have some help.

Yes.

Go ahead.

Yes.

And we'll start with cross-training to do uh the plan is to cross-train so that everyone in the office knows how to do everybody's job.

So thank you.

Any other questions?

No.

All right, thank you.

Uh the last item is for the uh fire.

Good afternoon, everybody.

Welcome back, Madam President.

Thank you.

Afternoon, common council members.

Hello, Chief.

Um, item number 23 is um me requesting your permission to enter an agreement with AMR for ambulance transport service.

Um, this is a critical step in how the city of Syracuse intends to deliver emergency medical service transports to our residents after you um hopefully give us approval.

Um, the RFP committee uh unanimously accepted the agreement that we worked on for a long time on July 24th.

Um AMR was a sole respondent um to the our public RFP process.

Um this is gonna be at no cost to the city.

Um, this contract is about establishing accountable performance-based partnerships uh to ensure the highest quality care for our constituents.

And like I said, it's gonna be no cost to the city.

Um we've never had a contract before.

AMR has been operating in our city for close to seven years under different namesakes.

We've never had any opportunity to have any accountability with uh metrics of uh performance data um to make sure that the appropriate patient care um is given when it's needed uh and to ensure the greatest patient outcomes.

Um this contract will allow us to standardize all patient care protocols or improve um outcomes citywide.

Uh we're gonna be able to streamline data sharing so the fire department can actively monitor performance and I identify any gaps of service um in this contract.

Um AMR is gonna be made to meet with the fire department monthly um with our operational staff quarterly, uh the chief's office and uh the regional director, um Mr.

McGarrity.

Um we're gonna meet quarterly to make sure um we have uh we're hitting all of our benchmarks and our metrics that are in the agreement.

We're also which is gonna be very important, and I know Madam President, you and I have had conversations over this a long time.

We're gonna have a conflict resolution process.

So if any constituents have any complaints about the service, um AMR is gonna have a telephone line or a way to get in contact with them and um the constituents gonna be able to file a complaint.

Um and uh AMR is gonna look into it in every quarterly.

I'm gonna be able to review all the complaints and make sure there was positive resolution for the constituents.

And some of this that I'm talking about is already going on now because AMR is you know operating in the city now.

So we've as we've been working on this agreement, we've been moving forward doing some of these things.

But this collaboration will give the city oversight that we've never had before when we requested it before.

Um we've never been able to get all the data that we wanted to, but operationally, AMR is gonna answer all the calls in the city.

Um they will only be able to turn back three percent of their calls.

So for say if there's a hundred calls in the city, they could only not answer three three percent three of those calls um in a smaller uh matrix of that.

Um they're not meeting performance standards after three months in a row, we're gonna sit down and have a formal um resolution of what needs to be done to um make sure that they're hitting the benchmarks that we have.

Um and let me ask you this question, right?

Is there a way that and I know this is not the city's problem, but I know that 911 last week they were talking about how they didn't answer.

So what if I needed an ambulance and I don't get an answer?

How do I get to AMR?

So AMR has a line you can call direct, but if you call 911, the 911 Center is gonna call um the fire department if it's an appropriate level call.

Not every call deserves a 911 call.

Some people call 911 and it doesn't deserve or require an ambulance.

And so the calls that deserve and um are the highest level calls.

Um there's five different types of determinants.

Understand that, but they weren't answering at all.

Say that again.

They weren't answering.

So I would call the 911.

If you if you need an ambulance, I would call 911 and they will get somebody dispatched.

I get that, but there was a controversy.

They weren't answering the phone.

So the at the 911 center?

Yes.

Um can I I don't know why that would occur?

That was the county, and they said they were gonna address it.

But what happens to our constituents if they call 911 and there's no answer.

This is the first I've heard of somebody calling and not being able to get a response through 911.

But I will follow up with uh Commissioner Julie Korn and uh get to the bottom of this, and I will have an answer for you.

I will follow up with you after this meeting about that.

So with that, Chief, if you you you talk about performing metrics, right?

What would that look like in in case of what Madam President just mentioned?

So hypothetically, we'd call the commissioner for the 911 center.

I mean, this contract is for AMR, right?

But if there was an issue with AMR, I'd call the director, we'd talk about what happened, and he'd go and pull the information and the data, and he'd specifically go through what happened and what occurred.

Sometimes what occurred is supposed to be what happened, and sometimes there are some issues that have to be rectified and fixed, and then we would figure that out, and then we would make sure that doesn't happen again to the best of our ability.

But this is the first time that I've heard somebody called one of our constituents has called 911 and not has gotten an uh even a response on the call, but I will get into the bottom of that today.

Would you do us a favor?

Yes.

Before Monday, can you send us, you know, in terms of the calls that they have received, and how much they am missed the data on AMR.

I have uh Mr.

McGarrity here from AMR.

He could probably speak to that a little bit right now about specifically some of that, or would you want that just in the numbers?

I want to see numbers.

Okay, and he could speak to it, but I will we could send that in an email to you.

Okay.

I'll get information.

Does anybody have any questions?

Um there's some also there's more things in the uh contract.

Uh we're gonna be able to track all the total responses, their transports, all their call types, the same information that you're gonna get.

We've never had access to that before.

They didn't have to give it to us, but this contract is gonna allow us to have that as much as we want it.

And we're gonna, like I said, we're meeting monthly, we're gonna be meeting quarterly with the chief's office and the director to get all this information.

We're gonna be going over response time summaries.

Any time that they don't answer, um, AMR is gonna make sure a mutual aid uh ambulance comes and answers a call.

Um, like I already spoke about the constituent complaint line.

Um of the other important things that we're gonna do when AMR is given a uh EMT class uh for their own benefit for their company, they're gonna allow two city residents uh to attend those classes free of charge.

Um so every time they're given an EMT class, we'll be able to put uh residents in those classes.

So um, and they're there are free scholarships that are AMR is gonna provide.

So basically this contract is gonna give us oversight that we've never been able to have before.

We've tried to get into a contract in an agreement with AMR uh for years, for decades.

Um this is gonna be the first time that we're gonna have uh an agreement that we have to discuss these issues that you're raising now, because without this agreement, um we wouldn't they necessarily don't have to provide that information now in the agreement they're going to be able to.

And the other important factor is we only had one company that responded to the RFP, and locally they're the only company right now that has the um resources and capacity to handle the tens of thousands of calls that are needed in the city right now.

And what does that do to the other uh um emergency providers?

Are they also going to to also be available as well?

Or does this just make it exclusively for the um just in the city, but there's a mutual aid agreement when AMR can't answer a call that needs an ambulance, one of the other 17 ambulance providers in the city uh in the county will come into the city and answer the call.

So that make the fire department the third tier down, right?

Um like also what goes on every day.

We're gonna have a staffing um conversation.

They're gonna send us what their staffing is um for the day that they're gonna send us that information and for the next day.

On Fridays when they give us that information, they'll they'll let us know what the staffing levels will be Saturday and Sunday.

The only time we're gonna put our ambulance in the service is when their staffing is gonna be low.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Thank you, Chief.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Paniagua.

Good afternoon.

Um you're gonna talk about this, Deputy Mayor.

Yes, okay.

Sharon Owners, Deputy Mayor, this is a $50,000 request not to exceed $50,000 for administrative costs for CNY works for their or for development programs for the 25-26 fiscal year.

And the director um Rosemary Avila is here if to answer any questions you have.

So what what did we do with this last year?

We did this same amount last year as well.

This is recurring.

Okay.

So this is this is this is where our youth program and other stuff, right?

This is the youth program, the workforce initiatives.

Right.

Um until recently, Syracuse Build went out of um CMY works.

So this is for somebody that managed that program.

Yes.

Okay.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

I have a question about the youth program, right?

And I'm gonna beat this like a dead horse.

Because when I was younger growing up, we had the summer youth program as well.

But those summer youth programs, they actually counted against our state credit.

So why can't we work to give these kids credit toward their pension because they are working for the city?

Correct.

So good afternoon, everyone.

Um so the OTDA Office of Temporary Disability and Off and Assistance provides us the summer youth employment program.

So it comes to the county DSS.

Um, we provide those services, the work experience into the entire city of Syracuse, including the county.

So CNY works does serve the county.

Um we know that the biggest need is in the city of Syracuse.

But it's still state.

I'm sorry, it's still state.

Correct, these are state allocations of the governor that comes to different districts.

And that's why I don't understand why the kids can't get credit toward their pension with the city with the city.

So for in our case for CNY works, these youth are uh employees of CNY works, and they do receive a W-2.

Because we pay them for our wages.

So it's because they are employee of CNY works, they don't qualify for state retirement system.

They're not correct, they're not on their own.

C NY work is a 51c3 and not a state entity.

Correct.

Okay.

Yes, but the funding does come from the county.

But the money comes through because it was OCEDA.

It used to be El CEDA way back.

Way back.

And then I and I actually went to PHR.

Right, and I had credit for being a summer youth.

So I'm just curious because I think we're giving them because they could be started on their way to the city.

Just like any funding source that would come to the city, so that funding source from Department of Labor goes to CNY works, but the for that time that they're getting a paycheck, they're actually CNY Works employees.

I guess we weep the benefit of them um getting the experience.

I get it.

I just think they should get a heads up on a pension.

Or they can give us some money.

Well, additional money, not her money, additional money directly to the city.

We'll take her money, right?

We'll discover anything else additionally to the youth programs.

So this funding will um cover for all positions that are administrative.

There are eight positions that cover all workforce development.

So we are uh the workforce development board of Anadaga County, and we cover adult dislocated worker, youth, individuals with disabilities, formerly incarcerated, and the list goes on.

We serve everyone in the county.

Yes.

Okay.

Including the youth program.

So the youth program is aside from SIAP.

We do run the Wouth Program that's for in-school and out of school youth, and that's through work experience case management, um, and everything else we do for them.

Do we do we know the percentage of of the participant of CNY works that are city residents?

Um, I would say that is a large number.

I don't have accurate percentages, but that is fairly a large number that we serve, given that the rest of the county is more of a role.

Yes, I will be able to obtain that.

Yes, that would be great.

Thank you.

Yes.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Counselor Gathers.

Thank you, Madam President.

Of items 25 to 29.

Um, are there gonna be any questions in regards to uh item 25 from any of the counselors?

Afternoon, counselors Connor Muldoon, Chief Operating Officer.

Um, sure reminder about this uh legislative uh item is about the revocable revocable permission, uh which provides some uh rules and directions with our partner genoptic for the schools on traffic enforcement program, uh both some enhanced liability around their construction process, which is underway and provides uh authority for the city to uh remove that equipment if and when our partnership were to dissolve uh and some cost sharing around if a piece of equipment were to be damaged or hit by a vehicle and extending into the right of way, uh, some cost sharing around how to mitigate that that emergency.

Um we did speak uh previously about some of the other elements related to the school zone traffic enforcement program, and I'll be providing a memo shortly about some of the collections uh methods uh that the city is working to advance.

Thank you, Connor.

Any questions from the council?

So we talked to and Deputy Mayor, I know I brought this up the other day about a broad data policy, like what we're going to do with the I know that a lot of this um the license for reader stuff is gonna be with this agency holding our data, but are we are we looking at a global policy or are we just gonna go piece by piece as we move?

Because here's my concern, and I'll be just be very transparent.

I don't think that I understand when we give that data to somebody when they call and when we don't.

So if if the federal government calls and they're tracking a immigrant that they're trying, the ICE is trying to get a hold of, are we giving them that data?

When do we say yes?

When do we say no?

Like I have concerns around that license.

I'm very happy that we're gonna do it and try to slow traffic on James Street and everywhere in the city, but I also uh with the temperature in this country right now and due process being thrown right out the window, people being grabbed off the streets and never seeing a judge, um victims being thrown in cages.

I I'm just concerned that we're tracking people.

So I think that the council will agree with us that we do not serve to act as ICE agents for the federal government here in the city of Syracuse, and we're here to protect our residents.

Um corporation council is doing for us, particularly when we're entering into contract, corporation council is looking at the find um just the the actual wording in there because some were starting to see wording that is really speaking to executive orders, particularly for funding, not particularly companies, but funding coming in that really are um saying if you take this money or you enter into this contract, check the fine print because it really is speaking to exactly what you're talking about now.

So before we begin to enter into contracts, particularly on the federal level, corporation council is warning all of us to ensure that we're uh um sending that language to corporation council so we are sure the fine print of what we're signing on to for funding.

Right.

And and because we don't have the server space to hold the data ourselves, we're we're contracting with someone to hold that data.

Do we have an understanding of how another government agency could get the data from that company?

Like are we clear?

I I cannot answer that uh definitively, but I assure you we will find out the details of what you're asking.

This is this is exactly what uh Sukatz off is saying to us to be sure that we we know what this company's agreement or not with any other entity may be.

You know, I just and I don't want to beat a dead horse here either, like President Hudson just said, but I just think we have to be cognizant of the fact that we want the police department to have every tool that they need.

However, we have a city full of new Americans, immigrants, you know, 400 of them came here just in December.

Like they're scared.

I mean, if you go out and speak with them, they are scary.

We need to make sure that we're protecting everybody.

Is there definitive leak legal policy by the city as far as shared information that they can share with the counselors?

Uh yes.

I know there is police policy, but the global policy that the council is talking about we need to protect in all these other entities.

You know, I don't know if some somebody shows up at the uh home offices of this place with a warrant, they're gonna share the share the information they got.

I I imagine.

We'll probably never know about it because if we don't own the data, it's a transaction between Genoptic and so I I can speak to specifically the school's own traffic enforcement program, and we will work to get you a global policy on how we handle these things.

We are already under contract with Genoptic, the vendor.

That information is our data, it is illegal for them to share it without our permission.

So for this program with this vendor under the red light, speed light, and school bus stop arm program, they cannot share our data.

We own that data.

Okay, if there's an accident.

And they're gonna go to trial.

They just got evidence on these cameras.

You're still gonna have to share this.

And there's and there's evidence, you're gonna have to share this information, right?

Because it it it is required um for the criminal case, that we would absolutely, if there's an accident and there's a criminal liability, absolutely, because it we need to probably be supreme by the court to do so.

Right, there'll be evidence, but then when it gets to the higher court, I'm afraid, like Counselor Matt says anyone could touch this, play with it.

Hi, counselors.

Leah Whitmer, director of the Municipal Violations Bureau.

So Councilor Nave, what you're um expressing, like I tried to convey before, um, but it gets a little convoluted, right?

When we're talking about FLAC versus gen optic and the automated enforcement, each of our automated enforcement programs, the school bus, the red light, and the school speed zone are governed by state law, the demonstration program and the violation.

The demonstration program for each of those warrants what you can or cannot distribute the evidence for.

Some even say if somebody goes through my bureau, they go through the hearing, they appeal, and then they want to go file an Article 78 in state supreme court that we can't, they can't even get access to that.

Granted, the person may still have access if it's within the time frame before we wipe, we have the company wipe the data from their system, like we talked about our retention policy um and that period.

So if you're the one that was in the accident and you have a case, you have the citation number and the pin number, you can go into the company software Alta via and access that.

But we are limited in sharing it.

Like Connor said, the company can't share it with anyone.

We're limited in who we can share it with, even in the context of our adjudication process.

I couldn't email if you know, um, let's say counselor Hogan emails me about this property and wants to see the video or the pictures.

I cannot share that with him.

And we've also been working with law.

Um, and we have a final draft of a policy for our internal users um that we've rolled out the same thing.

Anybody that's getting the training is gonna review and sign off on the policy.

So you can't walk in, same thing.

Counselor Hogan can't walk in and ask to view a ticket that you're the registered owner on, even if he's the driver, right?

He would have to have a copy of the ticket with the citation and pin number.

So this information can't be openly shared with courts in the case of accidents, the police department can't share it because again, it's governed by the state law in that demonstration program.

But they could, but they could they could just state a judge to say we're I'm gonna see it.

It's like a person is a uh a camera and wants to share.

I'm just speaking for previous expenses.

Yeah, so they sure anybody could subpoena it, right?

But whether or not we would respond to the subpoena, the law department would be based on if we're able to under that state law.

And then, sure, if we don't, you know, the next step can be.

And I think that the global policy is what the city's developing, and but then Connor was talking just about the automated enforcement about the program.

Because it's being developed.

The council counts council is unsure of what we're looking at.

So for that reason, I'm gonna ask Counselor Gathers to hold that until we can get more of a clear vision of where we are.

I understand, and I'll let counselor chime in, but the underlying issue on the agenda isn't like structural.

I don't know, you talking to it.

Um our API team is is working on the global policy.

I don't know the timeline of when it will be ready to share, but we'll happy to share it with you as soon as we're able to.

Specific to this legislative item.

This is for the revocable permission that provides additional insurance during the construction period and uh allows us to enforce if there's ever damages to their equipment, how to share the costs of mitigating that emergency.

So they're they're part of the same program, but they are separate issues.

And I think I think Connor, it's it's not that we are not understanding all these little pieces.

It's just that the council is concerned that if we have these little pieces, you know, it may affect the affect the big picture later.

So I think we want to comprehensively approach this together.

I think that's where we are, but it's not that we don't understand the distinction, we do.

We'll just leave it at that.

I'll hold the item and then we can uh if I can just also do that.

Just real quick, if I can also just add this legislation actually protects the city's interests for the equipment that'll be there and giving us um authority over their equipment in our right of way.

So that's just what this item is about.

Just I think the item is just sparking this bigger conversation.

Absolutely.

And again, I a dead horse, but it's a it's we're in a country right now where one state is issuing arrest warrants for women crossing state lines for reproductive health care.

Like there is a reason to be worried about tracking human beings, and I can't say that enough.

Like we're we're in some crazy times.

So again, we'll set up a time to construct a committee meeting together.

We all can come together and discuss this further.

Um and we'll hold this item for now.

I'll get with you after this, and then we'll be happy to have another committee meeting on the side, uh, counselor, but as the deputy mayor said, this is about the liability during the construction period that is underway.

So this is about protecting the city while this process is already happening.

Totally understand it.

Okay, thank you.

Um item uh 26.

Um, are there any further questions um on the vision zero action plan?

Are we going to hold this to have further discussion from me at the council?

We're gonna hold this.

Okay.

No, no, no.

All right.

Are we fine with it or what?

Yeah.

Okay.

Um 27.

Does 27 also tie in with 26 as well?

Uh 27 is related to 26.

So 27 is about uh the approval to apply and enter into an agreement with the New York State Department of Transportation for a safe streets for all program.

Um this is the potential to receive as much as seven million dollars uh for Vision Zero implementation items, right?

So this would be uh requires a 20% matching uh grant that after working with the clerk, you know, we've confirmed the our ability to uh provide that matching grant with CIP dollars, um, and this is about providing some very significant funding to begin some of those vision zero projects.

And just to go back to 26 New York or federal federal okay just to go back to 26 as well before the final plan is actually done.

Would that come before the council as well?

Yep, so as as we've shared before, counselor, the vision zero plan is more about a long-term planning document that sets the intention for the city to work towards all of those efforts of reducing fatalities and serious injuries from vehicular incidents for for drivers for pedestrians for bicyclists, etc.

Right.

Any uh action item that requires the expenditure of funds or requires additional legislative approval, like reducing a citywide speed limit.

That's one of the items that's put into this toolbox.

The the administration does not have a timeline or or inter an immediate interest in pursuing that, but in identifying all of the tools that the city can have at its disposal to work towards that long-term commitment.

Any of those things would have to go before the council to spend money or to have any that require any other additional legislative action.

So this vision zero plan is about you know the communication of this is our long-term intention to work towards a future where there are no vehicular fatalities or serious injuries.

Perfect.

Thank you, Connor.

I appreciate this.

Connor, let me ask you a question.

Is I know it's a different animal, but it's all about transportation and infrastructure and all that.

Is there any Marcia Shelley attached to it?

Not for the specific projects that we have with 27.

Marsha Sally funding does come into effect with our engineering department for other uh street uh improvements.

Uh we are working on hiring a vision zero coordinator uh to ensure that all of our road and safe road and transportation projects take into perspective Vision Zero uh efforts like narrowing street widths, shared multi-use paths, uh curb extensions or bump outs, all those different things that Marcia Shelley grants can be used to support other programs.

So we have those phone those programs, those that funding stream currently in place for other projects that can be part of Vision Zero.

Okay.

Any other questions or concerns?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh 28.

Um it's pretty self-explanatory.

I don't know if Ken wants to come up and talk about it, but it uh Ken and also Jeremy were picked to go to Chicago for an expo to discuss about lighting and stuff like that.

I don't know if you want to go further.

Uh as counselor Gothers just mentioned an in-kind donation from Fawn Rock Lighting, who supplies our solar lighting.

We've installed them approximately 70 of them throughout the city.

Uh they invited Commissioner Robinson and myself out to Chicago for a conference and the expo where we'll discuss installing these, uh the lack of maintenance we need and how they withstand the Syracuse winners to other uh representatives at the concert.

Any questions can share though this uh 29 is just uh basically extending the uh closure of billings parks to May 31st, 2026.

Just an extension, same thing, nothing changed.

So I'm all sec, uh madam president, thank you.

Thank you, Councillor Hogan.

Uh thank you, President Hudson.

I have items 30 through 35 30 uh starts off.

You gotta speak to this commissioner speakers.

Is it rescinding we're rescinding the lease agreement?

Um back, President Hudson.

Matt O'Jean Commissioner Assessment.

I uh I've got a punt a law or a different department on this one.

Assessment hasn't touched this.

Okay, so assessment.

So anybody want to speak to this?

Okay, Joel?

Okay.

Yeah, this is the I mean, I'm the first one is a quick we found out that the obviously the funding mechanism wouldn't work with a lease, correct?

Yes, so as a technical matter, we should rescind the lease ordinance because we're going to go ahead with the uh sale as authorized by the local law.

So that's 31.

It's 31 is the list is what we're talking about as far as the between lands.

The the local law that we talked about at the beginning of the session is the authorizing the sale of Eastwood Heights.

And then number 30 follows that because when we're no longer leasing Eastwood Heights, so we're we just get that off the books for clarification.

And number 31 is part of the compensation for selling Eastwood Heights, we're going to receive uh Latin mare terrace.

So we're gonna blue brand 15 now.

Is that what it is?

Well, the future use of the property is um somewhat open to further discussion.

We once the city has site control.

I believe we feel confident that we can move forward with the project on the site.

Okay.

Any questions for my colleagues?

Sharon, is that last family out of Latimer or almost?

The last family Latimer are they out or almost out?

They are out.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay.

Thanks.

And 32 and 33.

Well, 30 32 and 33 concern concern uh bus drop off pick up by the uh city school district regarding uh Warren Street when Steam School starts an operation, I imagine.

So anybody want to speak to that.

Uh good afternoon, Council Jake Dish, Deputy Commissioner of Codes and Zoning.

Um those two um will just be held until the hearing.

Uh the zone change would be uh if we if it gets formally abandoned, then we recommend the private parcel become MX5 like the rest of downtown to sign at a zone parcel.

So there's mention of a uh of them establishing a gate on the south side of uh Warren Street as it goes past the school.

I would I I know it's one way, I all that everybody's supposed to abide by it, but I would suggest a gate on the north side to just whoever's handling for the school district.

People scramble to get drop their kids off, and I don't think they're mindful that they might be a one-way.

So anything for consideration, Jen, okay.

Yeah, I think uh Gen Tip Director of Strategic Initiatives.

Thank you, Counselor.

That's a uh important consideration.

Um we are coordinating obviously very closely with the both the school district, um, the salvation army, which you know is uh right next door, which is why we're you know having to start the abandonment kind of mid-block where we are.

Um the good news, I think, is that for the last year folks have been used to the this exact traffic pattern there where they have to kind of jog left to turn right, even though that street is technically one way.

Um so we're really gonna essentially make that a permanent arrangement, and I think through the efforts that the school district is going to invest in in terms of gating, signage, um, and then as well, we're talking with our DPW team about other signage that the city can put there.

Um the school district will during you know, during most of the operating hours of the day, have a physical person out there too to kind of help with traffic management.

So it'll be a re-education experience, right?

For everyone that drives in that part of the city, but um, we're hoping that we can um through a combination of factors help to reduce any incidents or issues that are that are there.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Thank you all.

Welcome back, counselor or president Hudson.

Okay.

And then Jake, you're up for the our folks on Calvin Street.

Um item number 35 is um 34 and 35.

Yep, 34 and 35.

Um 34 is for the public hearing, uh seeking a potential revocation for a special use permit uh for a store at it's actually 1202-1206.

There's a uh typo and 30, actually in both descriptions.

Um, if you can note that, but uh I'll give a brief summary of uh of the issues and challenges we've had with the store location uh with the building owner and the the tenants that have been in there.

Um New York State Office Cannabis Management has done investigations there and found uh cannabis sales.

City of Syracuse has done our own investigations and found cannabis sales there.

Uh we revoked their tobacco license.

Um they continue to sell tobacco.

County health has caught them selling illegal vapes.

Um this is adjacent to a city park close to Syracuse Latin School uh and right across the street from Syracuse University neighborhood um and other buildings.

So um just a lot of illegal activities and for those reasons we think potential revocation should be considered um by the council.

In addition to those Jake, you know, we've had I've gotten a lot of quality life concerns related to the mark in terms of parking on Harriet, double parked around the corner and not standing no parking zones.

Um, and the the park there comfort Tyler is often filled with litter as a direction results of the market, too.

So um in addition, there are quality life concerns that have been brought up by the neighbors.

Illegal parking concerns, counselor?

Plenty.

It's lucky the deputy chief is here to hear that.

You know, you'll take care of that, won't you, Chief?

So that's why I try to sort of project, but 120 maybe send somebody around 1202, uh 1206, East Calvin Street.

Around the corner on Harriet.

Yeah, and Harriet's here.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, thanks, Chief.

Okay, thank you.

Any other quote, any other questions?

Yeah, I'll call those items ready then.

Thank you, Counselor.

Counselor Williams.

Thank you, President Hudson.

Um I've got items 36 through 41.

Um and Vinny, I know a bunch were held last time you were away, and you and I kind of you know we're unable to connect prior to to the last vote, and so want to give you the opportunity to um inform my colleagues about what you and I have been talking about and where you're moving.

Certainly appreciate it.

Hi, counselors.

Vinny Scipione, director of digital services.

Uh, as counselor Williams was saying, uh, the effort here was more around uh coming up with some standardized language for you all to understand when software items are brought in front of you, uh exactly what it entails, whether it be uh this being a renewal, the acquisition method, whether that as you can see, these items on here are marked as waivers, uh items 36 through 39 specifically are what I'm referencing.

Um they are all in the same boat in the sense that uh uh effectively they are renewals in the sense that we uh our existing contracts with these uh uh vendors has expired.

However, uh we are seeking to continue to utilize the same softwares for their given purposes, therefore seeking uh you know, waiver here to allow us to uh you know enter into a new agreement with them.

Any questions?

No, I know that I'm I'm okay with these items on my end.

I'm not sure if if counselors have additional concerns, but um you know either asking.

What point do you put the RFP out for these particular issues?

Absolutely.

So, sir, it depends on the software because there's uh certain ones that are specific to a function that are only offered by a specific vendor, right?

City change until they change until you're saying we determine a different platform to leverage for the purpose.

These vent a lot of these software vendors, their Microsoft or today or paid whatever the day in the mount or something else.

So yeah, that's another example where we would uh you know come to make that kind of uh um contractual change, if you will.

But uh the I want to be mindful too that the uh as it relates to RFPs.

Uh we do so when we feel like there is a need for to explore the market again to achieve or to acquire software that can uh provide a certain function, right?

And uh if we were to RFP every single software that we have, there'd be over 100 RFPs any given year, which would handle it.

Uh I really like my colleagues in the purchase department.

Uh and uh, you know, just want to be mindful of uh, you know, the so we just don't like I'm feeling this overall conversation, right?

But so it say item 36, for example.

When was the last time that was RFP?

Uh that one uh similar.

I'd have to look at the last uh contract.

Obviously, what we're asking for here is a one year with two one-year extensions beyond that.

I'd imagine that the last one was the same as well.

Right.

No, I I go ahead.

I'm just saying that they were um there never were way uh RFP.

They were put out to deals.

Um sorry, one more time.

There'd never have been um they've never been put out for bid.

There was never an RFP for these.

Is that correct?

I can't off the top of my head, I'd have to check to just make sure you give us this information before Monday to see when was the last time all of them were RFP specifically.

I cannot find them in my yeah, and what's possible?

One other scenario which is included in this standardized language that I'm working with Counselor Williams on, is there are scenarios where correct that an RFP wasn't done, uh potentially we piggybacked off of a different contract and we're seeking then a waiver to engage directly with a vendor so we can have uh more favorable terms that uh you know the that our you know legal counsel uh prefers or other contractual terms as well.

So sometimes that's uh a scenario and it varies across our portfolio of software, so it it's uh it's gonna be a case-by-case basis.

But that is the exact type of information that I'm looking to standardize uh that way when these come to you all.

Uh you're looking at familiar language and you understand uh all of these different uh pieces.

You're saying that uh well it's you should probably still should put out for bid as regular practice, as you know.

How do we know what if you don't RFC?

Like that's not a good reason with the same people.

Yeah, some of the things that is a reason to like pull in another vendor, you know, without going through bid.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I'm all for I'm all for uh opening them up when necessary.

It did no, I I think I think here what we are trying to communicate is that we can just arbitrarily just give contracts to people.

We want to be able to at least have a traction as to when this was RP so that it's project fairness.

You you were asking um for information regarding the last time these were RFPs.

These are they were.

We will get you that information.

And that'd be very though.

The reason why is because most of the audit reports, even that annual one that the city does, including the one that we just recently done um for um for the you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

Um every single audit come back um to the council, auditor come back to the counselor, and they mention how important it is for us to do RFPs no matter what.

They even mention it with the waiver competitive is that through practice we really should do those, we should really set them out.

And this is the practice what uh is protecting everyone, you know, anyway as a whole.

And that's the only reason why I think the council is probably beaten it a little bit, you know.

Yeah, that's the same.

Yep.

But but you made a very specific request, and we will get to that information.

I appreciate it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um, moving forward, or we always move under the Monday.

We can well, we know they're having an IRP, so we will I I'll know about Monday.

If you want to ask you, you guys can figure it out.

I wanted to.

I can offer something on want to offer something on number 38.

Uh Joe Barry, first assistant corporation counsel.

I also have number 40, but um and welcome back, madam president.

It's good to see you.

Thank you.

Um so number 38, I think is kind of unique because it's for our city MWBE office and the MWBE program.

It was uh purchased by neighborhood uh business um in 2016.

Was a relatively new technology then, and it it had expired, so we are asking for a waiver with that.

And our office has spent a lot of time on that contract.

We've completely revamped it to make sure the data is uh protected and all the legal terms are uh incorporated that protect the city and this individual data.

So I just want to mention that because I think I'm not familiar as much with the other IT contracts, but for MWB purposes in the office that that one's important to advance.

Um to your point you said it's was already vetted, right?

So they should be advanced.

That would be perspective, it's because Valerie actually from our office is our expert on these.

I I've been working on a lot of software as a service contracts for the city, and what I do is I'm ensure that there's protective data for the city.

This company has been vetted uh by us, and I know that this company will do the right thing.

Um and all the protective mechanisms are in there for our data.

So would I advise instead of and in addition to RFPing, we have to vet these software as a service providers, make sure they do the right thing legally and um comply with like the Shields Act, the New York Shields Act, and other privacy laws, and this company does.

And I've drafted I've in I've negotiated an agreement with them, and they're all protective clauses in there that they cannot do any wrong.

And we have oh, you know, we have cybersecurity um uh liability provisions in there, we have insurance provisions, they have to have cybersecurity insurance, and uh they've all agreed to my privacy recommendations and uh protective clauses.

So it's been vetted, and I've negotiated the contract, and um it would be sad to RFP it and now we know with a a company that's we're not familiar with and might not accept my data clauses, you know.

So this company will do the right thing.

That's all and um I've experienced them.

Was this our was was this company when you got it?

Was it RFP'd or or was it just something it's been a contract it's it's 2016 jokes?

Yes.

What was it was it RP then?

I think it was.

We're not sure.

It didn't go through a lot of problems.

Uh I think it was.

So I think it was because I think Paul Driscoll was here when we didn't have to do that.

Yeah, when we did the L CPG track.

Now it's uh open public office.

And I think what is what um I don't know what your name Valerie said.

What is really important when uh when they're requesting the waive the RFP process is to include data up on why, you know, significant information like what you just um you know said instead of saying, hey, the mayor waived our without any um yeah, supporting you know information.

Just add on LCP tracker, uh President Honey Hudson, you'll remember through the JSUB.

This is when we were introduced to the software um in order to do the compliance related and it and it worked well through both uh waves of the uh JSEB.

So LCP tracker has become a really important part of the compliance.

Completely alternatives and this as well.

And we can use that for other modules we can add to the L CPT tracker as well, right?

I think I remember Paul saying that.

Yes, we'd add all of it.

I believe it's going to be used for JCP phase three.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um can go ahead with item 40.

And number 40 is uh relatively simple.

It's uh a name change, steward title is uh just changing the name of their corporations, so in order to pay future invoices, we have to have the correct name in the ordinance.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And item 41 afternoon, counselors.

Corey Dunham, Chief Administrative Officer.

Number 41 is to amend an existing agreement with Kathleen Wilson.

Uh basically there is a not to exceed amount of 45,000, and we need to change that to 48,000.

This is for the fiscal year that just ended.

So it was over in June, right?

Correct.

Thank you, counselors.

Thank you.

That's it, man.

Counselor Joan Rousers, I'm gonna let Councillor Mantles take that.

Thank you, President Hudson.

Uh Councilor Jones Rousser has 42 through 51.

Hi, Matt.

Hi, counselor.

Uh 42.

We are requesting an extension of the lease at Webster Pond 2000 Valley Drive.

The anglers have leased this for two decades or more um effectively running a city park uh with no expense to the city.

We'd like to continue this relationship for at least five more years.

Thanks, Matt.

Thanks all-three.

I think that was to move I knew who'd that letter come from.

I don't think.

It's not it shouldn't be from me because I'm not one of the TET TNT.

I I was saying um I was going to mention that that's the old old letter.

And needed another letter that comes from the city.

We need another letter.

You want it to come from I think Michael.

I know it is, but then I care.

Yeah, somebody's I know it is, but let me just ask this question, right?

Because I guess I've been here long enough that where I remember all of the interactions with TNT.

And when TNT actually separated themselves from the city, they were supposed to raise their own funds.

So what happened?

They are okay raising their own funds.

I would appreciate that because that was the stipulation when they separated from the city.

Can we ask the director?

Yeah, we we can absolutely ask the director for it.

So yeah, the we're not we're not totally positive how this ended up here, so we'll absolutely take direction and move forward.

The reason why I put it on the agenda, Councilor, is because it's just uh annual, you know, and uh I know it's an appropriation from uh from our budget, so I figure we can lock this out.

Yeah, yeah, happy to I uh clerk, I'm happy to work with you uh over the next couple days and just get something and other.

I mean, I love what TNT do, but we try to get them to stay connected to us and they want to separate themselves.

Right.

I think I think what would um be beneficial to you is to see what is being asked for us.

This is funding that doesn't contribute to their operations, but actually is distributed to the groups that are operating.

So um, but a report on on what was accomplished in the last year, I think is warranted and reasonable.

I think we just got it.

I think they just sent it.

I'll I'll make sure all everybody gets it, because I know I'm still on that board, and so is Councillor Jones Rousser, but uh uh I will say this that what TNT has done over the last decade has supplemented what the city's giving them with other grant funding.

So, like the they just got sixty thousand dollars from the county to do the the additional murals that Eli Harris mural and the one on Dogas Street, so they're raising other funds, but I think that money from the city to hold the to hold them up is probably never gonna go away.

Um we also use TNT uses city buildings, school district buildings, like parks buildings to have meetings too.

So without all that support from the city, I think that they would be in the city.

And I appreciate it, and I didn't come back to be a troublemaker.

But it was the same thing with the land bank.

They were supposed to stand on their own, but now we're still funding all of these different entities.

I mean, not to be a troublemaker.

I mean, not to to distinguish one from the other, the land bank in the service they provide, especially with um holding those properties and then and then clustering them for larger development projects is is huge, and they demo a lot for us as well.

Um I I think that um your request and Jimmy said uh Councilor Monto said that he would get that to you just to get an idea of what is going on in all the eight sectors and what they're funding um their agency balances.

I think they do not have to do that.

Just like any other agency that you would fund, you would want to see that.

Yeah, I think they just sent out their project.

The project list just I think they just sent it out.

But the big difference with TNT is that the a hundred thousand dollars of that money literally goes directly back to the neighborhoods to the to the and it's you know some people think that it's not worth the money, but a lot of people have like little you know, benches and community projects.

I think that's the big difference.

But I'm with Councillor Hunt.

Well, for neighborhood-based um entities that want to do something in their neighborhood who cannot write for a million-dollar grant just to get something in their neighborhood, TNT is a good vehicle.

And TNT all they they lease five community gardens now, I think.

So a lot of those gardens that they lease from the land bank on vacant property, like those are the same.

But to Council Hudson's point, and you'd say you have a report in I just saw it, but I couldn't I'll find out.

You'll distribute it.

Yeah, yeah, I'll get it.

Okay, okay.

Also commission, I'm sorry.

No, no, no, finish, finish.

I was just gonna say, Counselor, I I can follow up with you later today or tomorrow, just to make sure that we've got that, and I'll get the letter the way the clerk you'd you'd like it.

I'm happy to do that.

Uh Council President, I would be deeply concerned if you came back and did not raise trouble.

So definitely good trouble.

That is the one fifth.

Well, it's section, yeah.

Is it section?

No, but we need to be asking, we should be asking those questions, right?

We should be asking all good.

Many of us go to those TNT meetings, and they're a very effective organization, especially they're the way the manner they're conducted as far as like definitely focused on the improvement of the neighborhoods as opposed to some other neighborhood leads that are just wanting to talk to Chief Shaw.

You know, now now Commissioner, I I shifting a little bit deeper into into the TNT.

I had during this year, there were some compliance issues that were being raised.

I don't know if that reached you, and I think to uh Madam President point this may be good to have that report.

So just to echo it, echo everybody.

Please let's make sure we see that report because I heard some some stuff that that just it it's it's good to have that report to see where where the money is getting spent.

Yeah, uh compliance issues have not been raised to me.

Uh they uh believe that uh since they do have their own board, that is something that we would expect it would be raised to and handled by the board.

Uh so yeah, so we can't manage the board.

We can only hold them by what we give them, which is approving these money.

That's exactly correct.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it would be good to have that.

Yeah.

So it's good.

Anything else on this one?

Okay.

Thanks.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Marcel Slipanski, Deputy Commissioner of Neighborhood Development.

Uh item number 44 is uh request to uh apply for funding through the New York State Affordable Housing Corporation for an amount not to exceed one million dollars uh to support uh uh development subsidy for 27 uh townhomes to be constructed in collaboration with home headquarters.

Um I do wanna note I do believe that there's a typo in the short title here that uh references a 20% local match um that would be requested through bond authorization.

There is no match requirement, and we will not be seeking bond authorization.

So you know obviously we well we would welcome this money for this uh part of the development is planned up there, so he's development service.

But we did set aside money in the budget for home headquarters too, I believe.

Uh and I'm wondering where that might be.

Yeah, and uh so that particular item, and I I know that there were some conversations that happened, I think last week when I was out of the office.

Um and so that letter should be coming for the next meeting, and if there's any desire for us to do it in between now and Monday by waiver, we can certainly get that over to you.

Um I think the idea would be that based on where the current uh state of the budget is for this particular project.

Um there's a lot of uh special construction requirements that they have because they're townhomes, sprinklers and things like that that have to be installed that have um just make this a little bit more of a tricky project on the budget side.

So I think uh what we were looking for uh is that we would still apply for these funds here um through uh the state subsidy program, uh, and then we would additionally look to use the city's uh contribution of um one million dollars that was uh allocated for home headquarters in the 24-25 budget.

Um as I understand it, the discussions that have been uh contemplated between uh some of the counselors and home headquarters uh is that uh folks would be amenable to splitting those dollars 50 percent between this project and then um some additional uh dollars for the urgent care program at 50 percent.

I also think that it's maybe important.

I know the uh SDC building is almost down.

Uh and I think is as far as we walk we walked this through, you know, we passed the pilot agreement that was you know had it come to us because it extended the UTEP from the circuit uh you know from the SIDA uh plus um obviously uh the public infrastructure left over from the uh monies left over from the uh demolition of the building, the Circle's Development Center.

I think any other changes in what we originally signed as an agreement.

Well please make sure that the council's aware of yep, absolutely.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Hi, Mollen.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Come on Jordan, director of housing and neighborhood planning.

So items 45 through 51, our request for these properties to transfer to the land bank once the foreclosure process is complete.

Uh we sent this initial list um of about 19 properties out to counselors on July 18th, and we met with Councilor Jones Rouser last week and we went through every single property.

Uh the ones on the agenda today are ones that she feels is ready to move forward.

Um several questions and are these somebody else is uh yes, correct.

Oh, we was trying to some of them.

So an example would be 261 or 256 Ashdale.

So William Dwyer owned three properties on that block.

He is deceased, his sister does not want anything to do with the properties.

There's a tenant living in I believe 256.

Um the sister of the deceased owner agreed that as long as she paid the utilities, she could stay in the property.

She's been connected to home headquarters and FEC and she's working to purchase it.

Um there are a handful on here where we haven't been able to make contact after sending many letters and visiting the property two, three, four, five times.

What about um East Bay A street?

That's one where we haven't had any success with reaching anyone.

She's inside.

Sorry?

Yes, there are people living there.

So we spoke to the family in 2019.

Um looks like they applied for a tax trust in June of last year.

Um, but the application was closed in October because we didn't get a response.

Since then, we've sent out several letters, visited the property twice in April this year, once in May, and then once again in July.

And we leave paperwork every time we visit, but no one has given us a call or responded.

What about Garage Street?

Get a street.

Yes.

All right.

So looks like this one was in foreclosure back in 2015, but they redeemed.

In April this year, we did do some door-to-door outreach.

Um it's actually tenant occupied, and the tenant said that the owner does not come around.

And is he still alive?

The owner.

I can confirm I believe they are still alive.

We haven't found an obituary.

And the state of Mary Boyd family said they don't want anything to do with it.

Which one?

Um South Av.

Because and I'm looking at number 35.

And I asked questions for more two houses.

Sure.

So for South Bav, looks like they applied for a tax trust back in April last year.

The tax trust was approved by the finance department, but the application was closed out because we didn't get a response.

They didn't follow up to close on the application and submit the down payment.

And it looks like we haven't had any contact with them since then.

We did visit the property twice in April and once in July this year.

So all they owe is 8,000.

Let's see.

Yes, 8,400 and then 1,300 in outstanding water bills.

I have visited that house.

I have I have been there.

Yeah.

And they were gonna suppose to come and take care of it.

So come on.

I'll be home a couple of things.

Property on South Abbot is South Side, not Washington Square.

Apologies for the typo.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

I just want to point that out.

Yeah, we can go ahead.

Any additional questions?

So property owners do have a chance to redeem at any point in the foreclosure process.

The council vote happens very early on, so they have several months, sometimes up to a year to redeem.

Do you know how many years these are behind the $8,000?

Is it like one year, two years?

Five years.

For $8,000?

Yes.

And on Gettish Street is five years too.

Or four years.

Councillor Jones Ralse, did she mention at all not put in anything on that was under the 25,000?

Putting anything under 25,000 on the agenda?

Yeah.

No.

Okay.

But I don't know.

Are we are we allowed to do that?

Is that legally something the city wants to do?

No, I no.

We can talk more.

Yeah.

She'll be back in way Monday.

Well, I'm understanding some of these.

I will I'm gonna I'll go knock on actually.

I'll try to go to most of all of these houses, but it's a very low amount, and there's residents in there.

Now the ones that you're already talking to where the people said they don't want anything to do with it, and um if they're when work with home headquarters or laying bank to get it into their name in there, but this is a low amount and residency is still in these houses, right?

So um I would like to try to access, especially if we haven't got in touch with them to try to reach out to you to see if we can find it.

I had a question.

What when you send out notices, is it by certified mail?

That you're assured that the person is there, or you so legal notices are sent out by certified mail, those are the ones that are coming from finance.

If they're coming from neighborhood and business development, they're not sent out by certain.

Okay, but if it's a homeowner, in the water bill, right?

But when you do send letters, that is by certified mail.

All legal notices are gonna are sent out by certified mail.

All right, but somebody's being sent.

Yeah, all right.

Any additional questions?

Thanks, come on.

Thank you, counselors.

All righty, I need a motion to adjourn.

So moved all in favor?

Thank you.

I don't know.