Oh, you know, yeah.

Uh yes.

Yeah.

Jennifer.

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to this meeting of the Syracuse Planning Commission.

Uh, we'll begin our business and our uh public hearings in just a moment.

Before we do that, though, I do want to note the passing and acknowledge the many contributions of a former member of this body, um, namely Dr.

Ruben Cowert, who passed away last month, served the city for many ye many, many, many years through his work on this body, and I hope that his tireless work will serve as an inspiration to those to the rest of us to look for and take part in meaningful opportunities to serve our community.

So thank you for bearing with me as I note that note that um piece of news, and now we will move to our agenda for this evening.

Our first order of business is action on the minutes of our meeting in late July, July twenty-eighth.

Those minutes have been distributed in advance to the commission members.

Move approval of the minutes of July twenty-eighth, twenty twenty-five.

Thank you.

Second.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Uh, member of the staff will call the applications who in order for our hearings this evening.

Just by way of process for those who are not familiar with our um public hearings, as each in the as each application is announced, we ask that the applicant or the representative come forward to the podium in the center of the room, provide their name and address, and then a brief summary of the application.

Following questions from the commission members, we will then invite members of the public who wish to speak in favor of the application to come forward to do that, providing their name and address for the record.

And we will also provide an opportunity for those who wish to speak in opposition to the application to come forward and do that as well.

We ask that all speakers, either for or against to hold their comments to no more than three minutes, uh, so that everyone can have a chance to speak, and also realizing that we have these um chambers for only a limited amount of time this evening, and we want to get through all of our agenda items this evening.

So with that, we will turn our attention to the first item on the agenda, which is uh old business.

First up is the text amendments to rezone the city of Syracuse zoning ordinance and official map Z-2880.

Um just a quick recap summary for the commission members.

Um commission made a motion that we would conditionally approve uh the proposed amendments with uh the condition that we work on the PID section um uh um from any concerns that were had, uh namely from uh Sergio's university, and we've done that, and I believe we're at the point now where we are ready to move forward with the exception of um holding on any proposed uh changes to table 2.15 G.

Uh so it's two point table 2.15 subsection G, we will hold on any proposed amendments for the time being on that.

It'll it'll remain the same as is uh today, but everything else is ready to move forward.

Okay, okay.

Thank you for the update.

We have the uh updated information in front of us and distributed.

Um there any questions from the commission members when we took action last time, we advanced a motion and said we would recommend going forward with everything but the PID section.

So do you recommend that we now entertain a new motion?

Um you might want to modify it because the language in the PAD section is different.

Um most of it was posted online, but there were some modifications today.

Um most notably the last page of this, and you can modify your motion to I did it so that it's by article section, subsection number.

You just do that stuff.

Um this was not posted because it's brush.

Um you can read it into the record if you want.

There's a public review copy here available.

And so as the maker, I believe.

Just yeah.

So everything in purple on there is the substantial revision since last time in the whole document.

So they were the blue is what was here last time.

The purple is changed, and the red is even additional.

Okay, so I'm so can they can the could they make a motion if they choose to uh include all the changes in this handout?

Yes.

And that would have that would that includes leaving table 2.15 G subsection G it's as is as is now it's corrected in this document.

So maybe you can just take it easy and if you choose to just say all the proposed changes in this document.

Okay, which will be posted online, and there's public review copy here if anybody wants to look at it.

Okay.

So as the maker, I will make a motion to accept uh this document as section two point one five for our text amendments.

Sorry, and three point one three point six is a specific definition.

You want me to just make a correction?

So you're probably going to make a motion to accept the changes to section subsection 2.15 as shown in the document that's been distributed to the council and posted online additionally for um a proffered amendment to Article 3, Section 3.6 use definition, subsection B2A1, and Article 5, 5.4, subsection B5D 3, adding new language, and article 5, subsection 5.6, or section 5.6 B2 F 2, adding a new section.

Three sections.

Yep.

So it again, as council pointed out, specifically amended to those sections of current rezone.

Additionally as Jake indicated, there are three sections that will be impacted by these amendments.

And I make the motion that we positively recommend the entire package of text amendments as well as what I just amended for recommendation by the common council.

And approval by the common council.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Thank you.

Discussion on this new motion before us for the text amendments.

If there's no discussion, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

So those proposed amendments proceed to the council for final determination.

And we await further work on the one section that was not changed but had been discussed previously for and that'll be at some future meeting, yet to be determined.

Okay, thank you.

Our next item.

Next we jump to new business.

First item is a resubdivision R-25-3 at 500 Seymour Street.

Owner applicant is Catholic Charities.

This is in the R2 zone district.

Hi.

Frederick Marty from McKenzie Hughes Law Firm on behalf of the applicant Catholic Charities.

And Mark Smith, owner of Smith Housing, the applicant.

We're under con Catholic Charities under contract to sell the property to Mr.

Smith's LLC.

Okay.

So just give us a little overview of what the application entails.

So the property, and I think the the staff report, I read it uh in preparation.

I think it's totally on point with what is happening.

So the property uh consists of a large parcel on Seymour Street, approximately 253 feet of frontage on Seymour Street.

There is a residential building on the uh western portion uh which uh would be sold.

That's the the parcel that will be sold.

Uh and then on the eastern portion of the property, there's a concrete uh commercial building that would be retained by Catholic charities, and they would continue to provide services to the community from that building.

Um so what's proposed is two separate lots, one having approximately 80 feet in frontage on Seymour Street, and one having approximately 173 feet in frontage on Seymour Street.

Um I don't know if there's any other details the the board has questions on.

We'll find out in just a moment.

Um, there questions from the commission members for this subdivision application.

Yeah, I have one one question, I think at this point at least.

The uh building that will become the residential buildings described as a cement block building.

Is that um in order to turn that into residential facility?

Will is that building sufficient to be remodeled or will it have to be demolished?

What's the uh the the plan for that?

It doesn't have to be demolished.

Um very minimal remodeling um turning offices in the bedrooms basically.

Um but other than that, not nothing major.

Okay, thank you.

Further questions for the applicant?

Thanks, thank you.

Thank you very much.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come to the podium?

We have no additional speaker, sir.

Yes, he can't hear you.

You ask if it's a taste of Brooklyn.

No.

No, not yet.

Um so we have no speakers on this application, it appears, so we will close public comment and turn our attention to our seeker review.

Has everyone had a chance to review the EAF part one contained in your packet and prepared by the applicant?

Yes.

And have you reviewed part two of the EAF prepared by staff and contained in your packet?

Yes.

Does anyone believe there will be any moderate to large impacts under seeker as a result of proposed action?

No.

Having determined there will be no moderate to large impacts.

I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to that effect?

I move to issue a negative declaration.

Negative seeker declaration.

Second.

Thank you both.

Discussion on the seeker motion before us.

There's no discussion.

All in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Seeker motion is approved, and we may now proceed to acting on the resubdivision for R 2533.

Is there such a motion?

I make a motion to approve R-25-33 as presented with uh one special condition.

That being in the applicant must successfully file the re-subdivision with the county clerk's office within 62 days.

Thank you.

Second.

Thank you.

Discussion on this motion for the resubdivision.

There's no discussion.

All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Re-subdivision for R2533 is approved.

We move to our next application.

Next up is a special use permit, SP-25-19.

This is for 2000 South Ave and Glenwood in the MX3 Zone District.

Good evening.

My name is Amon Abraham, Ockham Associates representative for the applicant.

So the I will start start off by saying this.

He then purchased the building in 2023.

And I believe the reason we're here because I wasn't involved initially when he was requested to make this application is the rezone Syracuse required him to apply for special use permit in order to obtain the certificate of use.

That's why he applied.

And everything that was requested of him, he has done.

On top of that, I just want to point out that the building right across the street from him on Valley Drive that was closed down by OCM for cannabis sales.

He purchased that building to avoid any um additional tenants that he didn't feel worked for that neighborhood, worked for a store because prior there was a illegal smoke shop selling on tax tobacco products, selling you know uh tobacco products from the from the reservation.

Um he contacted landlord and said, Hey, now that this guy's out, can I rent it?

The guy said, What are you gonna do here?

He says, I don't know, I just know I don't want smoke shops here anymore.

And he ended up buying the building, and that's been closed now for a year.

Um so again, everything that he's been asked to do, he's done, and that's why we're here.

Okay, thank you.

Questions for the applicant.

I just have one question.

I think there are six residential units proposed up above the store.

Am I correct?

Uh yes, four are vacant.

Two are um his father lives in one.

Okay, uh, and a tenant lives in another, but the other four are vacant.

Uh he plans on making some repairs before he rents them out.

Ultimately, the six will be correct, hopefully at least and you are aware or the operator, I hope is aware that that will require a certificate of use from the city.

Correct, Jake.

Yep.

Uh certificate of compliance.

Compliance, sorry.

Yep, uh, that is uh pending the outcome of this.

So yes.

Okay, yes.

I mean, prior when he when he bought it in 2023 because I represented him, there were a bunch of tenants, but the place was a mess.

He got them all out, and he's slowly trying to get them back in.

So thank you.

Yep.

Any other questions?

No.

Okay, thank you very much.

All right.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come to the podium.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward?

We have no further speakers on this special use permit application, so we will close public comment and turn our attention to our seeker review.

Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Yes.

And has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part two also contained in your packet?

Yes.

Does anyone believe there will be any moderate to large impacts under seeker as a result of the proposed action?

No.

Having determined there will be no moderate to large impacts.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to that effect?

Make a motion to issue a negative seeker declaration.

Second.

Thank you.

Discussion on the seeker motion before us.

There's no discussion.

All in favor of that motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions.

The seeker motion is approved.

And we turn our attention to SP 2519, the special use permit per se.

Is there a motion for action on this application?

Make a motion to approve SP 25-19 as presented with a recommendation of the common council for affirmative action and five special conditions beyond the general conditions.

The second is that uh the applicant shall abide by the hours of operation as determined by the common council.

The third special condition is that uh the uh applicant or the location is prohibited from selling tobacco.

The fourth specification is there are no signage or decorative lighting shall be permitted on the windows of the of the building, which I understand as Albert didn't respond to with the SEPTED report.

Uh the fifth special condition is the applicant uh shall improve and repave the deteriorated sections of sidewalk uh abutting the property on South Avenue and Elwyn Avenue.

There's also two other uh special conditions listed in the packet, but those two special conditions, one relating to meeting uh uh issuing all permits within one year and meeting all conditions within six eighteen months are now listed in the special conditions, so you will find them there and I mean in the general conditions and will not need to be listed in the special conditions.

Thank you.

Is there a second discussion on this motion for the special use permit?

If there's no discussion, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

The special use permit for 2000 South Edmund is approved.

Thank you.

Our next application next up, we have two companion pieces that we've titled the municipal parking lot project.

Uh first is a special use permit, SP-25-22.

Uh, and that goes with a major site plan review, MASPR-25-17.

Uh this is at 1171 West Fad Street and Magnolia, owned by the City of Syracuse.

This is an MX4 zone district.

What do you think?

Good evening, Commissioners.

Thank you.

Deputy Commissioner Dishhaw.

Um this project is we're we're seeking a special use permit and major site plan review for what would like to uh be a parking lot, um, which will be a municipal parking lot serving both the public and the public safety departments of police and fire, who next year will be occupying the building just to the east at 1153 West Fayette.

It has its own parking lot to its east, uh, which will not provide adequate parking um for all the police and fire vehicles and personal vehicles to and from uh the new headquarters.

Are there any questions about the project, please?

I have one one question.

Uh in the the renderings for the parking lot.

I'm not seeing anything about uh bike uh parking space or bike rack spaces, and the requirement is one per six for parking lots.

Uh so I'm just not sure what what the status of that is with respect to this particular parking lot.

I'm not aware of the status.

The parking lot was designed for um regular parking spaces and handicapped parking spaces.

Uh I'm not aware that any bicycle parking was built into the design.

It will be uh fenced off with access control.

Um I'm not sure if that changes the requirements at all.

Yeah, so I guess my question then would be for uh the staff.

And we do have a bike requirement for parking lots, one to six.

Uh so is this a case where that would not apply or we have to add that?

I have a quick question, Mike, while they're reviewing.

Um, who's gonna operate the parking lot?

Operate the parking?

Uh-huh.

So is is it a paid parking lot or is it just gonna be for private?

So it will just be for municipal use.

Um paying is a as contemplated.

So if I work for the municipality, I would secure a parking spot potentially.

Um I don't believe parking spots will be assigned to uh to anyone.

Um paid parking could be something in the future.

Um it has been contemplated, but is not part of the initial planning.

Okay.

And so the municipality will operate the parking lot and maintain it?

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And one other quick one.

Uh all entry and exit to the lot is via Magnolia Street, correct?

All vehicle access, yes.

Um, there is access at its northeast corner for pedestrians.

Uh which will support um mobility chairs if necessary.

Thank you.

Did we reach a conclusion on bikes?

Yeah, I think the determination was that the ratio of one to six does apply in this particular case, so we would add that as a special uh condition.

So it would be one bike rack for every uh uh six parking spaces.

I understand.

Thank you.

Okay.

And the capacity again was what a hundred-ish?

Uh tentatively it's one hundred, yes.

100, okay.

Other questions?

Okay, thank you.

Thanks very much.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward?

We have no additional speakers.

We'll close public comment and turn our attention to our seeker review.

Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes.

Has everyone had a chance to review the EAF part two also contained in your packet?

Yes.

Does anyone believe there will be any moderate to large impacts under seeker as a result of the proposed action?

No.

No.

Having determined there will be no moderate to large impacts.

I recommend the commission make a negative declaration and prepare the EAF part three accordingly.

Thank you.

Is there now a motion from a commission member for such a seeker motion?

Motion to issue a negative sec seeker declaration.

Second.

Thank you both.

Discussion on this seeker motion before us.

If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Seeker motion is approved, and we may now turn our attention to the special use permit per se, SP 2522.

Sir motion for action on this.

Make a motion to approve uh special use permit SP-25-22 with affirmative recommendation to the common council and six special conditions.

The special conditions are that the landscaping buffer must be maintained in good condition.

Uh two, the applicant must keep uh collaborating with the involved city departments as the project moves forward.

Three is the applicant shall coordinate with Onadog County Department of Water Environmental Protection for flood control issues and four and five are also related to collaborating with the ondauga county department of water and environmental protection with respect to water flow issues and the sixth condition is related to uh the requirement for one parking uh one bike bicycle rack for every six cars.

So, however, the uh eventual number ends up being it's one to six.

Thank you.

Is there a second?

Second discussion on this motion.

If not, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Special use permit.

SP 2522 is approved.

Is there a motion now for action on the major site plan review?

Make motion to approve major site plan review MASPR-25-17 as presented with the same six uh special conditions beyond general conditions as applied to the special use permit.

Thank you.

Discussion on the motion for the major site plan review.

If not, all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Is approved.

We move on to our next application.

Next up uh is a major site plan review for the Lafayette Hills Estate Project.

Uh we'll introduce the uh master plan review under MA SPR-25-13 located at 555 Lafayette Road.

Owner applicant is a state at New York LLC represented by applicant Cassie Smith.

This is in the R1 zone district.

Good evening.

Thank you.

I'm Cassie Smith.

I'm uh representing the applicant, uh states at New York, LLC, and this is Scott Freeman, uh Project Landscape Architect, assistant Cassie on the project.

Um it's a a very large dense master plan, lifestyle community that we're presenting.

Um 263 units in the first phase.

So um we are um appreciative for you looking at this project um for uh approvals to move forward with our first phase.

Is there any questions that I could answer for you?

We'll find out in just a moment.

Yeah.

Are there questions for the applicant about this project?

Are we doing just seeker tonight, Jake?

So this is for the the master plan layout.

So we'll do seeker and approval of this, and then uh we'll follow that like similar large projects similar to SDC, where we have possibly subsequent uh major site plan reviews for phases, but this is to cover the overall master site plan layout.

So Scott and Cassie, maybe you can just give a brief overview of sort of the master plan.

Sure, absolutely.

Um, thanks.

This is um we've been working on this for some time.

This was the old Lafayette golf course, of course.

So it is a repurpose and it is um a lifestyle master plan.

So we have a combination of a mixed units.

We have four plexus and single family home units, and the uh community will also have amenities.

So as you see on the site plan on uh B.

There is a um a wet pond that would be used as in the first phase over a little bit to the thank you right there that will be used as one of our amenities.

It's an amenity pond, which will have picnic and um biking, walking paths, clubhouse in front of it, which would be for the residences.

You'll see up and down that those four plexus um are the attached units.

So in the first phase, we will have 90 of those and a hundred and ten of the single family at the top.

Our second phase um would continue on to the left, which we'd have more of the same attached fourplexes, and then the um remainder would be single family on 8,000 ten thousand square foot lots.

We have a uh trail system that we will be developing that will go throughout the community that will be open to the public.

Um biking and walking paths.

We also have two tree preservation areas.

So there are um some beautiful trees that are still along that golf course that has um it's a very big historic value to it.

So we intend to um keep any of the major trees um for um a preservation area, and um we will have um obviously um signage that would obviously denote this.

The community has uh several parks um with within it, um, which would be a combination of play parks, we have dog parks, um uh reflection parks, um stormwater ponds as you see along Lafayette Road.

Um we've been working very diligently on uh the uh utility situation.

Um we because it was a a golf course and nothing else had ever been developed on this, we've been working diligently with our engineers and architects on how we would manage this with adding an uh new sewer line uh down Lafayette to um be effective um for that first phase and uh the capacity we need for those first hundred and ten homes.

We've been working very diligently with the city, they've been absolutely wonderful and supportive.

Um we now we were awarded a grant by the um uh by the New York State governor to help us um with the funding of that new sewer line that would go down Lafayette.

That sewer line would also be sufficient to bring any of the existing homes that are in the area that may be on septic, they would now be um be able to um tie into that that additional line which would attach to the main at the um the main sewer at the turnpike.

So we see a positive sense of how many homes that might entail moving from septic system to the public system?

We don't we don't have that data at that time.

Um, but we are going to look into that because I think it's an important part of the off-site development that we are offering to do.

Um yeah.

So um I know all the homes that are obviously going along Lafayette Road um uh that are in front of our property will.

The knob hill is on a believe a uh private sewer system, so this is this is why we we think this is really pertinent.

We've had a lot of um discussions with homeowners that have reached out to me about that and our progression because they have homes that are on septic and around the area, so they're hoping that we can move forward so they can take advantage of this now and tie into the the city.

Thank you.

Further questions for the applicant?

Go ahead.

Um I have a couple of questions.

Uh if I can then keep them in some kind of rational order here.

Well, on this particular map, I know there's the two wet ponds, I understand that.

The uh two stormwater ponds on the rendering, they're indicated as future.

Does that mean they're gonna be uh done in a later development of the project?

Or why why is that let's see if you could zoom out a little bit phase one, which we're here for tonight, is everything within within the red, the first units.

If you could go to the overall plan.

Right.

So the first the first uh phase of the project will require the storm the wet pond A, wet pond B.

Got it.

And the the so three of the four will be constructed in phase one.

Right, right.

Okay, good.

Thanks.

Um the next question I have, oh I I'm sorry, th before we get to those.

The uh the site plan review application uh list the target dates here for beginning uh construction, et cetera.

The application the paragraph I'm looking at, the first phase will be completed uh 110 to 120 market rate home uh you know townhouses or single homes, et cetera, et cetera, will be breaking ground in late 2025 with the completed first release in quarter three of 2025.

These homes will be approximately yada yayada.

And then it also states that uh you're gonna be taking applications beginning in the first quarter of 2026.

Are those dates still applicable or are they been shifted?

I'm just quite honestly they've shifted a little bit.

Yeah, we've I mean that was my assumption.

I just wanted to check that out.

Get survey, work through the winter.

It'll we're gonna we're gonna shoot for late spring, early summer.

Yeah, depending on the schedule with the review schedule goes with the city engineer.

So it'll be it'll be 2026, right?

Uh if we get if we snow melt the uh site, we can hit the winter.

Right, right.

It'll be spring, spring summer.

Okay.

Yeah, the the major um the focus obviously is to get um uh to through the through the winter and and our surveys that we need to do immediately, and then we have a tremendous amount of clearing that needs to be done.

So um I think you know, so we're we're optimistic, but we have obviously the fall winter coming up, so right.

So uh uh with respect to the issue of clearing.

Uh we've dealt with this before in the area.

We have our great friend, the uh Indiana uh bat and uh northern long-eared bat, and generally the provision for them is you can't take down any trees from what November to March or April.

So I haven't seen that in the application.

I just want to work.

We are aware and we'll we will abide by all criteria.

Yeah, right.

And then the the the uh final question, which is again somewhat of a speaker related question, but in that area, I I think you're well aware there's a lot of issues about the intersection at Seneca Turnpike, Lafayette Road, et cetera.

And I mean, each time we do a project up there, that becomes an issue for discussion, often requested traffic study, et cetera.

I haven't seen anything in the current master plan regarding that, so I'm just wondering what you're we have we have a preliminary traffic study, but as we move forward, there'll be a lot of requirements for our our curb cuts and access, and we'll be in close contact with the municipality to make sure that's part of the study.

Yeah, what's required we will comply with.

We understand traffic counts in the changing nature of the area, which we want to address.

Okay, I anticipate we'll get some testimony about that tonight.

So I just want to make sure I clearly understand the site plan, which is everything to the right of the red line is phase one, everything to the left of the red line is phase two, right?

Correct, 103 in phase one and remain 16.

I have a question.

103 phase one.

Yes.

I said one ten, but it is okay.

160 phase two.

Yeah, right on the plan.

Yeah, right.

160.

And all of the amenities will be under phase one, is that correct?

Yes.

Okay.

So-called third phase, which I understand is now speculative.

On hold.

Um it's not on hold, it's speculative is a word for it.

Okay, so materialized, yeah.

So the third phase is just gonna remain as it is for now, the ground itself.

We we I hate to say and hold because the the it's a hundred and sixty acres, and the original master plan was all inclusive.

However, obviously, because we're two Miss Palais, this the city has been extremely supportive and wonderful, and we're trying to get the town to cooperate and answer our calls.

So we will get rolling when but we have some in as Scott and we have some major uh environmental issues over there, elevations, bedrock.

So um, but we are what we'd like to do is start to plan for the that nine-hole golf course.

You know, that that was one of the things just on a personal note when I you know was working uh first came here with um estates at New York.

We found that that golf course had a lot of um heart and still uh fondness to the community, you know.

Everybody had a wonderful story.

So I felt it was important um because I knew we were having some environmental issues that why leave it green space?

Why just leave parks or let's put a golf course at some level back in play, and and that will be a public.

Um it'll have a beautiful clubhouse.

Our plan is for a beautiful club clubhouse and uh extend the walking and biking paths and the trail system over there and have larger acre estate lots.

Right now we we are working, we will have to work forward for a sewer plan over there as well.

But that is the master plan, so hopefully, because it all is inclusive to a beautiful community, you know.

So hopefully.

Yeah, thank you.

Further questions.

No, no, no.

Any further questions is all we want.

Okay, all right.

Thank you very much.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come to the podium, provide your name, address, and comments.

Is there anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application?

If so, please come to the podium, provide your name, address, comments.

Kathleen Sturbley, I can never talk when I'm here.

Um 316 Monasolo Drive North, Syracuse, um Valley.

I also am a um member of our TNT and our TNT planning committee.

Um it's a very nice project.

Um we have a lot of issues up in this area, as you know, maybe mentioned.

Um and I understand this is part of a larger submission, and as always, I object to segmentation of projects because we have done that before up here and we don't know what's gonna happen.

Um I want to talk about the wet ponds.

The site is underlain by fractured bed bedrock and the depth is only three feet, and any um detention retention uh flows right through to the valley, and if you ever look at Knob Hill where they have detention areas, or you look at the kinney drugstore where they tried to put a detention area in, the water doesn't stay there, it just goes down through the bedrock.

So if you're going to put in wet ponds all over the place and lakes, you've got to thoroughly line everything.

This came up on other projects.

Um it's not a new issue.

Um, so I just want to bring that up.

The anyone who's working on the site should look around.

Um I think they said the water table is within three feet, but I don't think that's plausible given the geology, and I don't know how the ponds will be filled or refilled during a drought condition, and they would end up just being swampy areas.

Um I'm concerned about the internal slopes and the grading, as is the city engineer.

Um there are very steep slopes around the ponds, the housing and the roads.

Obviously, it's a winter problem, but also an issue for pedestrians and children.

Um best way to address this is to reduce the density of the neighborhood so you don't have to have all these steep slopes within the project.

Um the water provision to the site is an issue because the water pressure in the whole area is low.

So while they're saying that they have enough water pressure, um there was a um substation put in on Brighton Avenue, and it has not changed the issues up there.

So we're kind of wondering how that's possible.

It could it could serve all of this area.

Um the traffic impacts we've talked about many many times, but we still don't know what the um impacts will be of the car wash and the storage is um storage proposal to the east of the intersection, and we already have backups at Lafayette Road.

So we've got this traffic, the additional traffic from whatever phase goes on in the next part, and anything else is going on, which I I assume there's other things that are gonna happen.

Um so most of the traffic is gonna be so or um northbound in the morning, southbound in the afternoon.

So I think that's an issue.

Um there's a lot of backups there.

We've had a lot of construction with the highway.

We don't know what all the roundabout situation is gonna be on Brighton Avenue yet.

Um, but I just want to summarize that the segmentation of this larger project makes it difficult to assess the impacts.

Um I think some of the issues I bring up can be addressed by reducing the density to allow for um a little bit nicer site conditions.

I'm not opposed to housing.

And this is not low-income housing.

As we mentioned many, many, many years ago.

Uh, but I will submit my comments to these for the record.

Thank you.

One one question.

Your your your first point, I thought you talked about uh the wet ponds need to be lined.

Was that just the wet ponds, or do you think the the dry ponds should be lined too?

Well, all that storm water will just flow right now.

Right.

Okay.

So if you don't want it to just flow anywhere, we're not gonna be able to do that.

So you're referring to the dry ponds as well as the wet ponds.

I think so, yeah.

And yeah.

Are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application?

Please come to the podium, provide your name and address, and your comments.

Um my name is Jim Calasharino's 140 Lafayette Road.

I own several properties on Lafayette Road.

I have some concerns.

Um I mean, I like the project, but I live there, and like for instance, it says uh New York State Department of Health standards indicate that the normal pressure in the water distribution system should be approximately 60 to 80 pounds per square inch.

Okay.

All my houses are at 40 percent.

So what's gonna happen?

I don't hear I didn't hear anything about putting in a bigger uh water line or something that's gonna make our I mean we're right in the beginning, and we have 40 percent.

So that's one of the concerns.

Uh the traffic is also a concern backs up past all my houses.

You're barely getting five, six cars through there before the light changes.

And it'll line up past your familiar with what knob hill past your first driveway.

So the traffic is also a concern.

You know, I'm hoping they do something.

Um sorry.

My other concern is uh sidewalks.

There's no sidewalks at all going up Lafayette Road.

I mean, I this is probably with Syracuse.

I mean, I'm I'm paying on my taxes every year sidewalk fee or whatever that's for.

And um so I had to like I said traffic, the and then again it's around that corner on Lafayette Roads twenty twenty miles per hour, the rest of it's 30.

No one drives that.

Somebody was killed years ago.

Okay.

I only know of one, but one person's killed, that's one too many.

So I'm I'm just hoping that something can be done with Lafayette Road with all this extra traffic.

So but it's nice.

Thank you.

Are there other individuals who wish to speak in opposition to the application?

If so, please come forward, provide your name and address for the record, and your comments.

I don't see anyone else rising to speak, but I need to adjust what I said at the outset.

I think I failed to note that at our public hearings where comments are made in opposition, we afford the applicant an opportunity to address those comments made in opposition.

So having failed to state that at the beginning, I can at least say it now and uh offer the applicants a chance to speak to the several issues that have been raised um of concern regarding this project.

Thank you.

Um, the uh stormwater ponds, we are aware of the the rock and the the nature of the soil draining, and it was the client's intent to have those wet ponds lined.

The other thing I'd like to point out is the city engineer, as with any other state uh project within the state will require compliance with the New York State DEC stormwater regulations, with which we are held to on every project.

So this project's not being reviewed and given any other you know, given any special treatment.

We will have to uh address the stormwater for all storm events.

So so we are aware of that.

Um and the lining we've discussed.

That's uh an amenity that uh that Casey thinks it's he thinks it's uh important to the project.

What's the what's the next item?

Just so I can traffic.

I guess I will traffic's a big one and I get it.

Um throughout the community.

I live up near East Syracuse near Cicero.

It's it's a complete nightmare.

We gotta we gotta get through the dark times here when all these roads are improved and people are used to going through a traffic circle, finding the new exit, the new exit numbers or mind-boggling.

I don't know why, but for whatever reason, people will get used to that.

The traffic will get better.

Um we do have a traffic engineer.

We did a I think we did a preliminary traffic report for this as we move forward on the project.

This is this is preliminary get started approval.

This is not final approval.

We have to work for several months with uh the Syracuse engineers to to work through the traffic.

So we will we will provide additional data as needed to work on the two entrances to our site.

So it might it might mean another turning lane, and if there's we can do what we're directed to do on our site, and if there's a community need, that comes from the county or the state.

So that's that's kind of a shared responsibility depending on what comes out of the traffic study.

And um these we've had quite a few um meetings over the last almost two years of side meetings, um, even before we put the application in to really understand the issue of the traffic flow.

Um we've uh we've also talked about out off-site planning.

You know, there's been discussions of widening Lafayette Road.

The implicate we have to really look at that, what the implications are going to be, obviously, to the existing residents.

Um, you know, all the the um the obstruction um during construction, but we we really, as he said, we really plan on on looking at this.

If we do look at widening Lafayette, that's a major and we would obviously work with the city, be a shared, obviously, responsibility, but we're taking that very seriously within the community.

Um what we typically always do is obviously do the roundabouts for traffic flow.

Um we have um we have two entrances.

Um these are all public roads.

This is not a gated community.

So um anyway, this we do take that very seriously.

The other thing that I do want to address that they talked about was the water.

So we have been working on plans for the utility, not only the sewer, but also water.

Um I have talked to residents directly.

Um we are aware of what some of the existing conditions um that there that are are for other surrounding homes, lack of flow, um, you know, water pressure.

So we actually have three different options that we're looking at to mitigate that.

There's some new options, so they're new to the city, so we're having a lot of discussions.

Um they're innovative, but I we're hoping that they will not only help our community with that situation, but also surrounding.

So you know, we we've got three options that we're looking at, and so that is actually one of our first orders of events after we leave this meet this meeting is to talk about that tomorrow of the utility situation, because we certainly don't want to you know um affect all the surrounding residences who have been there for years.

I think the big point is this is preliminary permissions.

This is not final approval.

So we we are engaged in working with the water department, the sanitary, and stormwater, those three things we're working on.

We're aware we have initial indicators for sanitary and water that there are options and we could make it work.

We're in the business of providing solid uh homes for people.

It's not our wish that people turn on the faucet and not have there be water or have the community not have water at their faucets because if we do that, we're not gonna have a phase two.

And in our phase one to sell these houses, we gotta do it right.

And that's that's what Cassie's here to do.

The other um they talked about the density, there's terracing, obviously, and we have already done a preliminary um geotech and uh looking at the topo, the water tables, obviously, the bedrock, which we know is very prevalent.

So um again, our first order is to do a full um a geotech to understand exactly um and surveys.

So um, but there's going to be terracing, which also will affect, you know, it'll it'll it'll help with the traffic flow in the right of way on this.

So and we're just look, I think for the to move forward with you know the first phase and the major site plan to um to be able to take the next steps.

I'd like to just add one thing.

Someone mentioned lowering the density when when Cassie came to me, we originally looked at this topography.

There's a 70, 70 to 80 foot grade change from the road to the top.

Early early concept plans had a higher density, and they had a fourth, we have three roads going across the site.

We had a fourth road.

So I went to Cassie and I I w worked with the uh town standards, which stayed a maximum slope of road, and we worked it out and it didn't work.

So we removed a road and the density has already been reduced.

So we we have reduced it and we did a you can't see it there, but there's a preliminary grading plan that uh complies with maximum gradients of roads.

So we're that's going to happen through the through the engineering review.

The the city engineers will will make us adhere to those requirements.

Yeah, thank you.

If we could just for clarification for those present and for those viewing uh online, tonight all that we are doing is deliberating and taking action on the seeker and then having a preliminary discussion of the master plan.

In the future, there will be hearings for resubdivision, a major site plan review for each of the two phases of construction, and also a major site plan review for the street action.

So all of the items that were listed tonight as concerns will be addressed at each of those times.

So you have additional opportunities to come back and talk about these particular issues.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you very much.

So we will now close public comment on this.

And turn our attention to our seeker review.

Got a guest speaker for this one.

I'm gonna step aside for a moment.

Thank you.

Thank you.

It's good.

I know I forgot.

Those are from Steve.

Oh, and Jitong abdicated to Nate.

Take turns.

Your turn.

Good evening.

Welcome, Nate.

So before you is the C care reasoning for part three.

And we changed a little bit for the template because we want to include the scripts and as more clear version in front of the reasoning.

So we just follow through the script.

And first I would work you through for the no impact items.

Then we go to the impact with yes and more specifically.

So in your package page 205 has been pre-filled with suggestions from the staff.

As I said, I will work you through to part two to see if you agree with those suggestions.

No to impact to the geological feature, as there's no unique geological features and no designated national natural landmarks on the project site.

No to impact on air as the action when not including uh state regulated our air emission source and when not require federal and state air emission permits.

Also, no to the uh agriculture resource as there are no agricultural resources on the project side.

No to impact on aesthetics resources, and the action is not located near to any um sync or aesthetics resources.

No to impact on open space and recreation, as no designated open space or recreational resources will be replaced by the action.

No to impact on the critical environmental areas, as the project side does not contain a critical environmental area.

And no also to the uman health.

As no blasting proposed, and the project side does not have historical contamination of space or solid waste generated will be managed by follow all state uh federal and local laws and regulation.

No to consistency to uh community plan as the action is consistent with zoning development standard of R1 zone district.

The proposed land use is not in shops contrast to the surrounding land use patterns.

Uh last one, no to the consistency with the community characters.

As the action will not replace or eliminated existing public facility, construct um structures or areas of historical importance to the community will not create an adverse impact for additional community services and will not interfere with the use of um enjoyment of official public resources.

Does the board agree?

Yes, yes.

All right.

Now uh flip the page to item that need uh yes for the full impact.

Okay.

Uh first impact on land.

The action does not involve construction and physical alteration of land.

Therefore, we recommend the board answer this question.

Yes, does the board agree?

Yes.

The sub question A B D F asking about the depth of uh water table, slope of site, excavation and remove of uh natural materials, potential erosion duration of construction, and if the action is on a costal erosion hazard area.

So per part one of the FEAF, the response letter, supplementary um materials, the action will not involve construction on land with shallow water table, steep slopes uh within the coastal erosion hazard area.

No exertion mining, dredging blasting is proposed in this action.

A full storm water pollution prevention plan sweep will be implemented per New York State DEC guideline to protect nearby properties and waterways.

Also, the temporary erosion and sediment control measure will be instilled prior to the land disturbance and maintained throughout construction to protect adjacent properties and waterways.

So therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for subquestion A, B, D, F, and G.

That's the board agree.

Yes.

Awesome.

Subquestion C indicated the site contains shallow barrack and average depth of 3.5 feet per investigation conducted by the applicant in a adjacent area.

It indicated that the material of the barrack on the project side is reputable shape, which will not prevent development of in regard to site design and the storm water management.

Gealotechnical testing is on the way and based on existing information, no significant impacts to the topography, shape, sustainability, storm, soil conditions, and site visibility are anticipated.

So therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subquestion C.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Awesome.

Last one.

E indicated the project is expected for multiple phases.

The long-term construction triggers concern on noise impact and nearby properties.

Per response, the app action will comply with city of Syracuse North's ordinance and to mitigate the noise impact.

And thus the traffic impact will be made minimized through equipment maintenance, dust control, and traffic management.

Measures as temporary signage, flaggers, and land closure can be used to minimize traffic impact.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact to subquestion E.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Okay, um, next one for impact for surface water.

The action may impact water body through the construction of the new storm water facility.

Therefore, I recommend uh the board check yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The sub question A through K are asking if creating a new water body, the impact on existing surface area of any water uh body of water.

The action will not cause or result in alteration or increase or decrease in size or encroachment into any existing wetland water body, uh, while action resulting in impoundment of leakage for the purpose of storm water management.

Stormwater uh detention ponds will be created with an implication of storm waste management practice per confirmation from the New York State DEC.

There are no DC regulated fresh land uh identified on the parts or exhibition area.

The action will require new demand for water from existing public water supply La Fair Road water district and no new water supply district or service area is needed to serve the project site, or newly generated sanitary wastewater will be processed by the existing metropolitan Syracuse wastewater treatment plan.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subquestion A through K.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Okay.

Next one, uh impact on groundwater.

The action involves additional demand on water supplies.

Therefore, I recommend that the board answer yes.

Does the board grief?

Yes.

Okay.

The subquestion A through G are asking about impacts to existing water supply wealth.

Uh silver services, groundwater.

The proposed action will increase demand for municipal water and silver system associated with new residential units and subduction development.

Water will be provided through the city of Syracuse Water District, uh Lafayette Road system, which has enough capacity to serve the project.

No groundwater valve will be used.

Sewer services will be accommodated to existing infrastructure and treated at the Syracuse metropolitan wastewater treatment plan.

The project does not overlay or next to source aquifer and the conditions.

The action is not anticipated to result in significant adverse impacts to groundwater resources, nor is expected to create moderate to large impacts on water supply or wastewater capacity.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subcretion A to G, that's the board grave.

Yes.

Okay.

Next one impact of flooding.

The action changed existing drinks pattern, therefore, we recommend the board to check yes, that's the board grid.

Yes.

The sub question A through F are asking about the impacts to the floodway and flood plan existing them.

The property is not locating in a designated floodway of 100 years or 500 years flood plan.

The action will distribute more than one anchor stormwater runoff from new point source.

According to the sweep, the action will add on site underground stormwater detention system will be installed under the site east area to collect increased surface runoff and slowly release stormwater to the combined silver and prevent any runoff flow to the adjacent properties.

There's no existing them on the project side.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impacts for the subcretion A to F.

That's the board grid.

Yes.

Okay.

Impact on plants and animals.

The action will result in development on the land which may be inhabited by Indiana bats and north and long air beds, which are endangered species listing New York State DC.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer yes, that's a board grief.

Yes.

The applicant has submitted a project screening request to New York State DEC Nature Heritage Program according to the DC Endangerous Animal Confirmation Letter.

Identifying an approach for potential rules tree remove is important, as those bats may travel around 2.5 to 5 miles from the site.

Tree removal will comply with New York State DEC standard and be restricted to November 1st to March 31st to avoid adverse impacts.

Therefore, I recommend the board check no or small impacts for the subcretion A and B.

That's the board group.

Okay.

The project side does not have any species or plant or animal that's leased by New York New York State as rear or species of special concern.

Does not have national nature landmark while required conversion of more than 10 anchors, forest, grassland, or any other uh regional or locally important habitat.

Uh, and while not use the uh any pesticides or any chemical stock um products.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for substance question C D E F G H and I.

That's the border grief.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

Impact on historical and archaeological resources.

The action may have an impact on the land that is eligible for national or state registry of historical place and archaeological resources.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer yes, that's a border grid.

Yes.

Regarding to sub question A, the action is substantially contiguous to national eligible property to be known as SUNY ESF, LaFair Road Experiment Station.

The property is across La Fair Road from the project side.

The action will be entirely conduct within the project side boundary.

No physical alteration will occur to existing SUNY ESF property across the road.

Therefore, I recommend the board check no or small impact for the sub question A does the board grid.

Yes.

Thank you.

Subquestion B and C is asking the impact to archaeological resource.

A portion of the project side lay within the sensitive archaeological area.

In response to shipholes request, the applicant submit a phase one, uh 1A archaeological impact assessment by certified professionals.

The report does not indicate identify any no archaeological site within or adjacent to the site with low potential for pre-contact or historical resource due to its distance from water source.

Overall, the likelihood of encountering significant archaeological resources is considered low.

The action is not located on near any archaeological side that is not including on the stripole inventory.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subconscious B and C, the subordinate grid.

Yes.

Thank you.

Next one is impact on transportation.

The action while resolving a change to existing transportation system as the existing weight can property well be reconstruct to a new for the new residential use.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question yes, the subgrade.

Yes.

Alright.

Per traffic study, the development will have minimal impacts on traffic operation in area.

The traffic study indicates that the level of services of 10 signalized intersection in the study area will not be significant impact by the action.

The level of service of the intersection at each syndicate turnpipe and LaFaire Row will be degrade from B to C, while the level of service of the rest of intersection will remain.

In addition, the submitted transport traffic impact study was prepared for previously proposed 315 residential units representing a large scale of anticipated traffic volume than the current proposal.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for sub question A, B, C, D, and E.

That's the board grid.

Thank you.

Yes.

Next one, um, the impact on energy.

The action will increase the demand for energy as this action is to create a new residential house.

Therefore, we recommend the board check yes, that's the board group.

Yes.

However, the action is highly unlikely to result in significant adverse impact to energy because of the following reason.

Um do the action requires a new substation.

The annual electricity demands is below 2500 megawatt hours threshold.

And the second is the action will not involve heating or creating more than 100,000 square feet of building area for new non-residential construction.

Third reason is that the applicant has been coordinated with national grid for energy deployment.

Well-served ladder is expected to be released to confirm that full capacity electrical services will be provided for the proposed action.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subsequent A, B, C, and D.

The suborder grid.

Yes.

Okay, last one.

Uh impact on noise, order, and light.

The action will result in an increase in noise and outdoor lighting as this is a project to reconstruct the site for uh buildings.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer yes, does the board agree?

Yes.

The action is unlikely to result in any potentially significant adverse impact to noise, order and light because the action will comply with the city of Syracuse noise ordinance to mitigate noise impact, and all contractors will be required to implement the best management practice to minimize the noise impact, including the adherence to a loudable work hour and use of a properly maintained equipment.

The project size is substantially enclosed by dense forest and uh vegetative cover, which will provide the nature noise tension during construction.

An action will not have any blasting work while not resolving uh routine orders for more than one hour per day, and will add new outdoor lighting, but also welcome comply with Syracuse zoning ordinance which prohibited the light shine onto adjacent properties and will not result in having lighting create a sky grow brighter than existing area conditions.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for subcretion A, B, C, D, and E, the subboard grid.

So, in conclusion, um the commission as the lead agency in this coordinating review under the state environmental quality review act has thoroughly reviewed all relevant materials, has taken a hard look and analyze all aspects of the action.

And therefore, an environmental impact statement need not be prepared.

Accordingly, the commission issue an active declaration to be filed and notice to uh negative declaration will be provided pursued to all applicable laws and regulations.

So I need the motion now for the seeking.

Thank you.

Thanks, Nate.

Well done.

Very well done.

So that completes the secret step for this master plan review.

And then I think our next step is a formal action on in terms of approval, if that's where the board is going with this, correct?

Yep.

Okay.

Okay, so with that secret step uh completed, is there a motion for action on the master plan as presented earlier this evening?

I make a motion to approve uh master plan MASPR-25-13 as presented.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Discussion on that motion.

If there's no discussion, excuse me, all in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Hold on one second.

Right?

Are we holding?

As staff is discussing something.

You know, as the applicant reminded us, this is step one in a long review process for the project.

Okay.

All right.

And staff did ask us to make the motion, so that's where we are.

Yeah.

We just did.

Multiple steps as you indicated.

Yeah.

Applying all the rules.

Yes.

Is it the beginning?

We made the motion on this beginning.

The master plan.

Right.

All right.

We had a second.

We had a second.

Okay.

Then thank you.

All in favor of the motion before us, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Motion carries.

We move to our next application, please.

Next up is another project that has two companion pieces.

This is for the South Av Apartments project.

It includes a major site plan review, MASPR-15-16, and a resubdivision R-25-40.

This is at 680 South Av.

Owner and Applicant is the Syracuse Land Bank.

Future owner and applicant is BLD properties and represented by Keplinger Freeman Associates.

This is in the MX2 zone district.

Hi.

The team introduced themselves here.

Good evening.

Kenan Bigby Build Properties.

Jeff Ta Holmes King Calcoast Architects.

All right.

So as you said, the 680 South Av project is in an MX2 district.

It's an eight-unit lot combination.

The lots are all vacant.

So we are seeking the lot combination there.

The lots would be when they're combined would total one acre.

And the proposed projects includes 51 units of mixed income, which is gonna affect the site within the layout of a large building with a U-shaped drive around it.

It's gonna have 46 parking spaces associated with it.

And due to the length of the building, we know that we have to pre-appear before BZA.

So if there's a official referral process, um we're looking for that as well today.

Any questions?

We're here.

So the variance as I understand it is length is the length of the project which exceeds our standard length.

Okay.

Yeah.

51 okay.

Thank you.

Questions for the applicant.

Good.

Okay, thank you.

Thanks.

Are there individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application?

Please come forward.

Provide your name, address, comments.

Good evening.

Peter Pani Awa City Councillor at large.

How's everybody today?

Um, I'm here to speak in favor of this project, 680 South AF.

It's part of a much larger vision that we've been working on for for quite a few years now.

It's the transformation of the Westorondaga and South AF corridors.

At the time when we started this project, we uh did the adopted name is connecting the corridors.

Um with the leadership of Jubilee Homes, other partners in the community, the city of Syracuse.

This project was a has received financial support from the DRI from the last cycle.

We're in in that process right now, and with the leadership of our partner Keenan Bixby, who has been uh from the idea stage, has been helping us shape this with the voices of the community as well that has been very much included in all this process.

Um it's it's the 680 South F.

It's really a catalyst that will um for employment uh for jobs, uh quality housing, and more so more than anything, uh revitalizes pride in the community.

So this is why I'm here today.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening.

My name is Bernard Alex.

I am the president of the Syracuse chapter of the National Action Network.

I'm here to speak in support of this project.

Improved housing and the amenities that will come along with that, the ground enhancements, and all that it will do to enhance the community, have been proven to show an overall improvement in the quality of health, the mental health particularly, and community health.

It causes it to rise.

Many of the social determinants of health that presently impact said community can be addressed by the intentional and will be addressed, excuse me, by the intentional intentional infusion of support that will come with and from Jubilee Homes.

I wrap all of this up by saying again, because you're talking in some instances of subsidizing the homes and the housing that will be there.

And I say this often that subsidized housing does not mean subpar housing, and that it is an improvement, an enhancement, and will raise again the quality of life for so many people, business opportunities, growth, job, and the long-term effects that will be eradicated by this intentional effort.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in favor of this application, please come forward and provide your name, address, and comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward.

I don't see anyone else rising to speak.

Uh we'll close public comment on this application and proceed to our seeker.

So can I make a recommendation that maybe you keep that open?

Um so um T up for success this time on this one.

Um we're only gonna do seeker tonight.

Thank you.

Um we will uh following seeker.

Uh the project will then go before the BZA um to have uh that area variance um heard and a decision on that, and then um come back before this um this governing body for the site plan and resubdivision, uh, which also may have some additional comments from city department reviews.

So um we keep that open.

Maintain public comment open.

I should have mentioned that when I introduced it.

That's that's on me.

No worries.

So public comment is open.

So the comment is open.

Absolutely.

But we will nonetheless now proceed to our seeker review.

Who is I'm inviting all guest speakers tonight for type one actions?

Who gets rewarded now?

Okay, step in right out.

Turn the wheel.

All right, thank you.

My name is Zitong.

I'm the director of zoning.

Uh, my address is 300 South State Street.

Um, I'm gonna go through the reasoning, seeker reasoning part with you.

Um, the full environmental assessment from part two on page 286 has been pre-filled with a suggestion from us, the zoning staff.

I'm going to go through the part two to see if commissioners agree with those suggestions.

Additionally, staff have drafted part three determination of significance and a seeker resolution, which could be used if commissioners decide to act on secret tonight.

Among the 18 impacts indicate indicated in the part two, staff recommend you check no to impact on the geological features as there are no unique geological features and no designated national nature uh landmarks on the project site.

B, no to impact on surface water as no construction will be conducted adjacent to the water body and no new water body will be created.

The action will be served by the existing water infrastructure instead of withdrawing the water from the surface water.

No to impact on groundwater, as the action will not result in any new or additional use of groundwater.

No to impact on air, as the action will not include a state-regulated air emission source and will not require federal or state air emission permits.

No to impact on plants and animals, as there are no threatened or endangered species or habitats on the project site.

No to impact on agricultural resources as there are no agricultural resources on the site.

No to impact on the aesthetic uh resources.

The action is not located near any cynic or aesthetic resources.

No to impact on historic and archaeological resources as confirmed by SHIPO, the action will not occur on or substantially contiguous to any lands that have been listed, listed or deemed eligible for the national or state register, and will not result in destruction destruction or alteration of any historic and archaeological resources.

No to impact on open space and recreation as no designated open space are on the site.

No to impact on the critical environmental areas as the project site does not contain any uh critical environmental area.

No to impact on transportation as confirmed by the traffic study prepared by the applicant.

The action is a minor traffic generator, and existing transportation system is able to accommodate the increased traffic without changes.

No to impact on energy, as the action will not require a new or an upgrade to an existing substation, will not involve heating or cooling of more than 100,000 square feet of building areas, and the action will take place in an urbanized area with existing electricity infrastructure.

No to impact on noise order, odor, and light, as the action will comply with the city of Syracuse noise ordinance, will add new outdoor lightings which will comply with the zoning ordinance and would not result in routine orders for more than one hour per day.

No to impact on human health as uh there is no blasting proposed in the projects, and the project site does not have a history of contamination or spills.

And the solid waste generated on the site will be managed by following all the state, federal or local laws and regulations.

No to cons uh consistency uh with community plans as the action is actually consistent with the most zoning development standards of MX2 zone district.

The proposed structure is in violation of zoning requirements about the building length for multi-unit apartment building.

The applicant has submitted a variance application to the office of zoning administration to seek relief from this zoning requirements.

If the variance application is denied, the proposed structure will be required to fully comply with zoning ordinance.

Also, the proposed land use is not in sharp contrast, contrast to surrounding land use patterns.

No to consistency with community character, as the action will not replace or eliminate existing facilities, structures, or area of historic importance to the community, will not create a demand for additional community services, will not interfere with the use of enjoyment of uh official public resources, and is designed to be consistent with the predominant architectural scales and character of the surrounding properties.

And of course, will create more affordable housings.

So does the board agree to check no to all these impacts?

Yes.

Yes.

Thank you.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The sub question A through G are seeking about the depths to the water table, slope of the site, exposed barracks, excavation and removal of nature uh materials, potential erosions, duration of a construction, and if if the action is in a coastal erosion hazard area.

Based on the information provided in the FEAF part one, the response letter and the supplementary materials.

The action will not involve construction on land with shallow water tables, steep slopes, exposed or shallow barracks, or within a coastal, a coastal erosion hazard area.

There is no excavation, mining, or dredging proposed in this action, and an erosion control plan will be implemented, including the installation of a subsurface storm system.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the sub question A, B, C, D, F, and G.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Subquestion E indicates that projects is expect expected to last for approximately uh 18 to 24 months.

The long-term construction triggers concern on noise impact on nearby properties.

For the response, the action will comply with the City of Syracuse North ordinance to mitigate the North's impact.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the sub questions E.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Two impact on flooding.

The action will result in development in floodplain.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question, yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The sub question A through F are asking about whether the action will take place in the designated floodway and uh 1500 year floodplain.

Whether the action will change existing drainage system and flood water flows, and whether there is a dam.

Based on the information provided in the part one of EAF, the response letter and all the materials, the action will not take place in a designated floodway.

No water body's drainage patterns will be affected, and no dam exists on the project site.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for subquestion A, D, and F.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

For the sub question B, C and E indicates that action will happen in 100-year and 500-year flood plan and may change floodwater flows that contribute to contribute to floodings.

As indicated in the SWIP letter provided by the applicant, an on-site subsurface stormwater system will which require fully compliance to an approval from the New York State DEC standards will be installed to collect stormwater runoff generated by the action and detained the stormwater and release it at a rate of less than or equal to the runoff generated by the site in its existing conditions for all storm events up to and including the 100-year storm.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subquestion B, C and E.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Okay, so in conclusion, the commission, as lead agency in this coordinated review under the State Environmental Quality Review Act, has thoroughly reviewed all relevant materials, has taken a hard look and analyzed all aspects for the action.

For all the reasons set forth above, the commission determines that action will not have any significant adverse impacts on the environment.

And therefore, an environmental impact statement need not to be prepared.

Accordingly, the commission issues a negative declaration to be filed, and notice of the negative declaration will be provided pursuant to all applicable laws and regulations.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Tom.

That completes our secret action for this item.

Moves to the BCA, and we will be addressing this again at a future meeting.

Our next uh application, please.

Next up is uh major site plan review MASPR-25-1-2 at 311 Ganant Drive.

Uh, this is in the MX3 zone district represented uh an applicant Keplinger Freeman Associates.

I'm back.

Christian Freeman Keplinger Freeman Associates here representing the Icon Lofts project at 311 Ganant.

The project is on an MX3 lot and it involves the rehabilitation of a very large, lovely building you can see from many places, including 81.

Um it's a 75 unit rehabilitation.

It's been through historic review and landmark preservation review as well.

Um we have Jim Nittle here from the team.

Architect, there he is, and uh Grassi representing the development team there.

Um the site once uh is two acres large.

Um it will have 73 parking spaces on site, including some upgrades and uh more like facade upgrades to allow for entrances to the residences.

And um, as you probably know, there's a lot of work going on around that area currently um related to DOT.

Um so we've been in close coordination with them all along the way to get to where we are now.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Uh we can jump right into questions if the commission has any questions.

What's the anticipated Christian start date?

Great question.

This year.

Okay.

With a one-year Graszi?

Okay, about a year.

Um I understand there's 25 approximately parking spaces.

Uh I assume subsurface or underground and inside.

Yeah.

Inside.

Okay, inside the current structure.

Okay.

Yep.

Yeah, you go back to that plan, you can see there's just kind of a drive-in.

It's a drive into like a garage door there.

I just wanted to be sure you're not going down there, you're just existing for the yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

It's a lot of room in that building.

Yeah, there is questions?

I was trying to determine are all the units the same from looking at the the different renderings.

It looks like they're all either studio or one bedroom.

Okay.

Right, right.

Okay, good.

Thanks.

Yeah, and I was wondering that there is a note uh from the uh circuits landmark preservation board.

I mean, they had no concerns, but they did make a note about the color palette.

Yeah, and we're still working.

Okay.

We're working with the Shippo National Parks on the project closely.

Matter of fact, today we should receive colors.

Right.

Okay, thank you.

We'll vote on it.

Right.

Uh other questions for the applicant.

If that thank you very much.

Are there individuals who would like to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward, provide your name, address, and comments.

Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward.

We have no speakers for this application.

We can close public comment.

Turn our attention to our seeker review.

Has everyone had an opportunity to review the EAF part one contained in your packet?

Yes, yes.

Oh, another type one?

We didn't want the short form.

Whose turn?

Jake's turn.

Thank you.

Jake's turn.

Student.

No.

No.

J Tong?

Yeah.

Oh, you are bad.

I have to talk a lot today.

So national correspondent.

All right, it's me again.

Um this is Zitong Wu from a zoning office.

Um I'm gonna go through the uh seeker reasoning part with you.

Um the full environmental assessment from uh form part two on page 40 401 has been pre-filled with a suggestion from the staff.

I'm going to going to go through the part two to see if um you agree with those suggestions.

And we also have the part two determination of significance and the sequel resolution, uh, which could be used if you decide to act on C cartonite.

So among the 18 impacts indicated in the part two, we recommend you check no to impact on geological features as there are no unique geological features and no designated uh nature landmarks on the project site.

No to impact on surface water as no construction will be conducted adjacent to a water body and no new water body will be created.

A freshwater pond does exist on the developed property across the street from the project site with no concentration uh with no construction, uh while no construction will be encroached into the area of the freshwater pond, and a subsurface stormwater system will be installed on the project site to prevent the stormwater uh flowing into the nearby properties.

So the action will not have significant impact on the freshwater pond.

The action will also be served by the water infrastructure instead of withdrawing the water from the surface water.

Uh no to impact on groundwater, as uh the action will not result in any new or additional use of groundwater.

No to impact on flooding, as the action will not result in development on land subject to flooding.

No to impact on air, as the action will not include a state-regulated air emission source and will not require federal or state air emission permits.

No to impact on agricultural resources as there are no agricultural sources on the site.

No to impact on aesthetic resources, the action is not located near to any scenic or aesthetic resources.

No to impact on open space and recreation, as no designated open space or recreation resources will be replaced by the action.

No to impact on critical environmental areas as the project site does not contain a critical environmental area.

Uh no to impact on human health as uh no blasting is proposed in the projects, and uh the project site does not have any history of contamination or spills.

And all the generated uh solid waste will be managed by a following all the state federal rules.

No to consistent with community plans as the action is actually consistent with all zoning development standards of MX3 zone district.

The surrounding properties are occupied also by high density residential housings and commercial uses, so the proposed land use is not in sharp contrast to surrounding land use patterns.

Uh no to consistency with community character as the action will not replace or eliminate existing facilities of historic importance to the community and will not create a demand, actual demand for uh community services, will not interfere with the use of um recreation resources, and it's designed designed to be consistent with the predominant architect uh architectural skills and character of the surrounding properties.

Uh also the action will preserve and reuse the abandoned historic building and create more affordable housings as well.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The staff recommend you check yes to the following impacts.

Impact on land.

The action does involve construction and physical alteration of the land.

Therefore, we recommend you check yes to this question.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The sub question A through G are seeking about the depths, water depth, water table depths, slope of the site, uh, exposed barracks, excavation and removal of nature materials, potential erosions and duration of the construction.

And if the action is in a coastal erosion hazard area.

Uh based on the FEAF and all the materials, the action will not involve construction on land with shallow water tables, steep slopes, exposed or shallow barracks or within a coastal erosion hazard area.

No excavation, mining, or dredging is proposed, and um an erosion control plan will be implemented, including the installation of a subsurface stormwater management system.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for subquestion A, B, C, D, F, and G.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Subquestion E indicates that the project is expected to last for approximately 18 months.

The long-term construction does triggers concern on noise impact on nearby properties.

Perder response, the action will comply with the noise ordinance to mitigate the noise impact.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for subquestion E.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The impact on plants and animals.

The action will result in development on a land which will which may be inhabited by the peregrine falcon, which is an endangered species.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Regarding the Falcon, the applicant has submitted a project screening request to the New York State Nature Heritage Program and has also conducted a cursory investigation of the project site for any Falcon nests.

The final report of the investigation confirmed that action will not adversely affect the Falcon because the project site is far away from the nearest Falcon nesting site, which is at the state building.

Two, no falcon nests found on the project site.

And third, the action is limited to the construction improvements within the property with no encroachment on surrounding ecosystems.

Fourth, the action does not include activities that would disturb uh disturb water quality or food resources to the extent that the falcon will be impact in impacted.

Fifth, the action will follow New York's DEC, New York State DEC's guideline on the peregrine falcon program.

Sixth, the rail uh the rear plants or animals overlay only covers a portion of the southeastern edge of the 311 Ganon Drive parcel and does not touch the existing building footprint nor contain any vegetation or nesting.

Therefore, we recommend that the board check no or small impact for the subquestion A and B.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The project site does not have any species of plant or animals that's listed by the New York state as rare or as a species of special concerns.

It also does not have any national nature landmark and will not require conservation of more than 10 acres, uh conversion of more than 10 acres of forest, grassland, or any other regionally or local locally important habitat, and will not use herbicides or pesticides.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subquestion C, D, E, F, G, H, and I.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The third one is impact on historic and archaeological resources.

Um the action will occur or substantially contiguous to land that have been listed or deemed eligible for the national or state register.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

However, the action will not will not adversely impact the historic resources because the action will not result in the disc uh destruction or alteration of any historic resources.

Instead, the action will renovate the abandoned historic structure and reuse it as a mixed-use building.

Syracuse landmark preservation board has reviewed the project with no significant concerns.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subquestion A.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Also, the action will not occur within or substantially contiguous to an area designated as sensitive for archaeological sites or an archaeological site that's not included on the new uh New York State ship hole inventory.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the subquestion B and C.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

The impact on transportation.

The action will result in a change to existing transportation system as the existing vacant property will be reused to have new residential and commercial uses.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question, yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Per the traffic study, the action is a minor traffic generator that will generate less than 25 vehicles entering or exit exiting during the peak commute hours in the area.

Also, there are good side lines from the proposed driveways and more than sufficient gaps in the traffic to allow safe turning movements into or out of the site.

As verified by the traffic study, the action will not have notable or significant impact on traffic operation in the area.

The applicant is also collaborating with New York State DOT and interstate 81 project teams on the site plan and traffic access plan to make sure that action will not have adverse impact on existing transportation system.

The action will not construct parking area for five or more, five hundred or more vehicles.

Therefore, we we recommend that the board answer this question yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

However, this action is highly unlikely to result in a significant adverse impact to the energy because the action will not require a new or uh an upgrade to an existing substance.

Second, the action will not involve heating or cooling of more than 100,000 square feet of the building area.

Third, the action will take place in an already urbanized area with existing electricity infrastructure.

Therefore, I recommend you check no or small impact for the sub question A, B, C, and D.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

Okay.

The last one impact on noise order and light.

The action will result in an increase in noise and outdoor lightings, as this is a project to renovate the abandoned building.

Therefore, we recommend that the board answer this question, yes.

Does the board agree?

Yes.

This action is unlikely to result in any potential significant adverse impact to the noise order and light.

The action will not have any blasting work and will not result in routine orders for more than one hour per day.

Therefore, I will recommend you check no or small impact for the sub question A, B, C, D, and E.

Does the board agree?

In conclusion, the commission, as lead agency in this coordinated review under the state environmental quality review act, has thoroughly reviewed all relevant materials, has taken a hard look and analyzed all aspects of the action.

For all the reasons set forth above, the commission determines that the action will not have any significant adverse impacts on the environment, and therefore an environmental impact statement needs not to be prepared.

Accordingly, the commission issues a negative declaration to be filed, and notice of the negative declaration will be provided pursuant to all applicable laws and regulations.

Thank you.

Thank you, Z Tan.

So that completes our secret review for this application.

We now move to the site plan review.

Is there a motion for action on the site plan review?

I just got my documents out of order.

You just need more documents.

Yeah, right.

Exactly.

Okay, guys.

I couldn't do that.

This is not right.

I'm sorry, guys.

So the introductor pages are 307, right?

And the factors are on 307.

07 began.

I'll make a motion subject to friendly amendment.

Um major site plan review 2512.

Um may I make a motion to approve uh noting the four conditions listed by staff, which include all future modifications to the site features and building facade shall be subject to review and uh and approved by landmark preservation board prior to the issuance of any building permits and zoning approvals.

Condition number two, the applicant shall collaborate with the Department of Neighborhood and Business Development to designate at least ten percent of the residential units to be affordable units and in full compliance with mixed income development requirements.

Condition number three, any proposal to establish land use type in the commercial tenant space requires separate zoning approvals.

And condition number four, the applicant and owner shall continue coordinating project plans with New York State Department of Transportation and I-81 project team to address any concerns.

Thank you.

Second.

Thank you.

Discussion on this motion now before us.

No discussion.

Under notes?

Good.

Okay.

If there's no discussion, then all in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions.

Uh site plan review is approved for MASPR 15-16.

Thank you all.

Um we move on to our next application, please.

Next up is a major site plan review, which was referred to the City Planning Commission by the zoning administrator.

This is for a uh establishing a restaurant at 4141 South Salina Street and Fillmore Ave.

Owner applicant is William Paladino.

Applicant is Chanel Pickard.

This is in the CM Zone District.

Um I would like to give a brief introduction uh of this.

So this was referred because of some uh previous uh factors and issues at the subject location.

Uh the tenant space is a proposed restaurant located within 300 feet of a single unit residential R1 zone district.

Um the subject tenant space was previously occupied by a restaurant with a similar name.

TASA Brooklyn Sports Bar, and uh the special use permit uh associated with that uh use in business uh was revoked by the common council on December 9th of 2024.

Um and again, so this is just a similar uh name um to establish a restaurant um at the same location.

And I guess we'll let the applicant speak to anything else regarding the proposed establishment.

Evening.

Evening, commissioners and board members.

Uh I'm um uh the applicant's um submittal for the owner.

Uh my name is William Walton, I'm with Walton Architectural Group.

Um the scope of work on this project uh is a change of use from the bar that was established before, as mentioned, uh and now we'll just be a restaurant without serving of alcohol.

Um the change of use within the facility is basically putting in booths, booth seating instead of the open plan seating that was in there before.

So it changed the occupancy count, uh reduced the opposite count from what it was before.

Um as mentioned it's in uh Valley Plaza in the middle of uh the plaza.

And um uh we uh there also was some outdoor seating that was part of the original plan, which has been removed.

Um and there will be a change in the signage above the facility of the town space.

So for questions, yeah.

Let's um open it up for the commission members.

Are there questions for the applicant regarding this um application?

Well, he looks really nervous.

I wanted to do a clear check.

Uh on the hours of operation that were proposed.

Um you have the hours.

I do have them here, yes.

Okay.

Tell us what what are the hours that you have.

So I have Monday through Sunday, so every day of the week, from 6 a.m.

to 2 30 a.m.

However, from 10 a.m.

10 p.m.

to 2 30 p.m.

or 2 30 a.m.

is a takeout service only.

There will be no interior use of the facility for dining or occupants.

So basically closing at 10.

Take out.

Take out service until 2 30 in the morning.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yep.

Further questions.

Yeah, yes, I did.

Okay.

Uh so I I guess my question is when uh this project last appeared before the planning commission back in June of 2023.

There were issues with the application and concerns uh about its uh suitability for the neighborhood and uh concern about the structure of ownership, which wasn't clear and and included some associations with a previous operation in which there were legal problems, and there are reasons to believe that this was not a suitable uh uh project for that location.

At the time, I uh voted to deny the application.

Uh subsequent to that, uh the uh special use permit ended up being revoked by the common council for many of the concerns that were prevalent when we discussed it in June of 2023 and the reasons why I uh denied it.

Uh since then, I I'm just curious uh because given the problems with that property, the code violations, the legal issues, the uh the crime that occurred there, et cetera, if the new owners are going to operate in a way that is uh consistent with the the character of the neighborhood with uh the laws and all applicable record rec uh regulations, I'm not seeing a lot to convince me that that's the case.

And I'm just curious, uh the previous uh bar was called Taste of Brooklyn Sports Bar, and this is called Taste of Brooklyn.

I mean, it seems to me if you want to make a clear break and demonstrate that that the current owners are gonna operate differently in compliance with the law and compliance with the character of the neighborhood and so forth.

It's just curious to me that you're carrying the name forward.

Uh so I just have some questions around that whole process because right now I'm not other than the fact that you're not serving alcohol, uh, I'm not seeing reasons to believe that there's a significant change.

Right, right.

So yeah, I'm gonna let the I I wasn't part of the past history, so I don't can't speak to the applications before, but I do know that I think out the serving of alcohol maybe was the issue that has caused some of the problems on the site, which is why it's been eliminated from the project.

But I'll let the owner of the facility speak.

Hello, I'm Chanel Pickert, and I will be the new owner of Taste of Brooklyn's restaurant, not the bar.

The name was carried on because it's a family business.

So that's I'm sorry, I the name was carried on because it's a family business.

So that's why we dropped the bar because we will not be selling liquor.

Um we will operate until 10 p.m.

And we'll do takeout until 2 a.m., just like other restaurants.

We're gonna do everything totally different as far as running the business, and um try to learn from the previous mistakes in the past.

We're trying to move forward, and it is a family business.

Yes, I am the owner, but I just can't do it all by myself.

So, yes, we do have family who will carry on the procedures and the due diligence of the business.

However, um, we're trying to make amends of a lot of things that were out of our control because let's be honest, the parking lot, no one business can bear that one giant parking lot.

But as a community, we can all work together to try to come up with a solution because we do have an audience that do crave Taste to Brooklyn's food.

So we're just trying to figure out positive solutions where we can move forward and not keep being backpedaled into previous situations is trial and error and we're learning.

Um so as far as every compliance we have met, that you guys have emailed us, whether it's short notice or not, we're trying to do what we need to do in order to comply for you all.

So one of the things that is uh the commission generally um has reviewed as part of its process when in particular there's been issues or concerns by the neighborhood and/or the police department in this case, I believe both have had concerns regarding the previous business.

And the and we're right next door to the to the police station.

So let me just finish that.

So the police department has been asked to do a septed report for this commission.

And they made six or seven significant recommendations.

Yes, most of which the applicant, which I'm not clear exactly who responded at this point in time because they didn't, it was signed just as Taste of Brooklyn LLC.

But the argument was made that the applicant didn't really want to comply with the police department's recommendations in the report.

I I really can't answer that question pertaining the previous applicant and whatever happened with the police department.

I know that um we So just to clarify that this is for um these were new recommendations based on this application and current application.

There was a response submitted, signed best regards, Taste of Brooklyn Restaurant LLC to the five um recommendations from Cyracuse Police Sept, which stands for crime prevention through environmental design.

I read it okay.

So I think what the commission's saying is it appears that only one of the five recommendations umly being open to removing the tinted windows was the only one addressed in the response.

So I would like to address that part.

All right, so Valley Plaza.

Have you are you guys familiar with Valley Plaza?

Okay, so tinted windows, we can accommodate with tender windows.

However, how are we gonna protect our assets and our valuables without having tinted windows or even a gate?

Because if you look in the parking lot, every most businesses in that parking lot put a gate up barrier, you know, to protect their business because there's looters, you know, people stealing all the time.

I lived in that area for 15 years, so I'm very familiar of you know what's going on, the ins and outs of the community per se.

Um, so I really can't answer what the previous owner did, but I I believe that if we do take the the um tenant windows down, at least we need to either have the gate or the tender windows because however it's homeless people in that area, but the gate was put up specifically because they kept coming in that common area using a bathroom, sleeping every day.

So when we put the barrier up, okay, they knew not to come there.

So um I'm not saying that's the end all be all.

We can work around it.

However, that whole plaza is getting breaking in all the time.

There's no more right aid, you know, there's no grocery store.

There's a lot of businesses are leaving because of the neglect in the neighborhood.

And when we were in that neighborhood working, we no one broke up broken into our business, and they kind of scaled down because we were present and we were assertive.

So um I am listening to all you guys' feedback, and I'm very open to do whatever we need to do to comply in order to just have a restaurant.

We don't have no TVs, we don't have no music playing.

Very basic bottom line.

The outdoor seating was on that list too.

Yeah, the outdoor seating has been removed.

If we were to move the gate, we do ask if we can keep the tent.

Or if we take the tent off, we need the gate.

We need some type of protection because who's gonna stop someone when we're at home sleeping who just has a bright idea to just start breaking in windows.

Oh, they have food in there, they might have money in there because that's the dominance of the neighborhood.

It's a live neighborhood.

Corner stores is open to four o'clock in the morning.

Gas stations, corner to corner, other entertainment establishments, all in the same area, as well as food and housing.

You know, so it's just a lot, it's just the valley area is the live area.

And we do do our job as best as we can with the means that we have to be able to make sure that we keep our family safe, our customers safe in the community safe because we want to be safe.

We don't we don't want to not be safe.

That's why we're asking for recommendations from you guys and the police to figure out how can we be an uh established business for the community, for our family, and obey you guys' commands.

Additional questions for the applicant.

It goes to staff.

I'm just gonna say we are using this report.

We've used it since last year.

Uh for anyone opening up a restaurant, a convenience store, adding food to the gas station.

Um, we did have another situation where a bar asked if they could become a diner and only serve breakfast and lunch.

Uh and they were also subject to the same review, but with the police department.

Um, so I've just recommended you talk to the staff because all across the city, north, south east, west, we are applying the same reports and and trying to make suggestions for people to have a like you have an application here.

We'd like at least to give you as much information as we can so you can make the best decision for you and your business.

Yes.

Um, but it's it's citywide, and and we've had other people who've had to come back more than once.

And our our we're kind of spread thin because we do need additional assistance.

We want help.

We we are begging for it.

We're just trying to figure out where do we fit in, just a little.

Just a little bit.

So you're you're leasing the property from Mr.

Palladino, is that correct?

Yes.

Uh, and so we've uh addressed this issue a couple of times in similar situations where there's an issue with a property that's being leased from another owner.

Mr.

Palladino, who's the owner of the parking lot and a property, bears some responsibility for some of these issues.

And I and I totally agree on that.

I believe that it needs to be parking lot um security all around, day and night, not just when Taste of Brooklyn is open, because they're breaking in city trends at two and three o'clock in the PM.

So therefore, it needs, I feel like it needs to be some type of little patrol just circling around.

If with people visually can see a patrol car, it makes them think quick, they're not gonna think twice about doing anything.

Rather, they're going to the hair store, the gym, the store, you know, family dollar, that area just needs patrolling, period, rather we're there or not.

So have you had any conversations with Mr.

Paladino?

I given the state of the septed and these issues.

I have never had a conversation with him.

I have conversations with the property manager, and a lot of times he relays the message, but I am willing to sit down with the property manager and the police and with you all, so we can come to some type of common ground and a solution and a routine, you know, so that we all can get used to it, and then the public can get used to it because they crave the public crave, you know, discipline as well.

As much as they act like they don't, we all as human beings work better and discipline and routine on a regular basis.

So if we can just get some type of meeting or just some something to just help not just Taste of Brooklyn, but just a lot of different minority businesses in the area that is struggling with security and safety for their customers that just want to get off of work, come have a good time, eat some food and just go home.

You know, there is a small percentage of those who who who are who don't have good intentions, and we just need a little bit of assistance with that small percentage.

Did you wanna oh thank you?

Identify yourself, please for the I'm uh Jack Dana.

I'm the property manager of the Valley Plaza.

Um I work for uh William Pelladino.

Okay.

Um he signed a power of attorney um before I came tonight, so I can speak on his behalf.

Good.

So um just about the fence.

That was actually my recommendation when the bar opened up.

Um there's a lot of homeless people in that neighborhood.

Um and that corner, especially, you can't really see it from here, but there's like a nook in there, and a lot of people sleep in there and and urinate and defecate.

And so that was my personal recommendation was to put that fence up when they moved in.

The gate.

The gate, yep.

And I did look at uh the uh officers' recommendations, and I I agree with all of them, but I I do think the gate does help um to some degree keep their business safe, like she was explaining.

Um some of the uh Syracuse police recommendations for the applicant again.

I'm not clear exactly who that is, but it is much stronger lighting in the so-called nook, yep, as well as the exterior of the building.

Okay.

24-7 lighting, I suspect is what the police department is thinking.

And I was there today, and I would say that the condition of the parking lot along with all the broken glass is another challenge for keeping access and neighborhood participation and you know, so-called good neighbor responses in a a good way.

Um, so I think it's a combination of owner and operator that are gonna have to work much more closely to accomplish what the neighborhood deserves.

Yep.

Um just to um just go back to all of the recommendations that the police um required for us to make changes or adjust to, we are very open to all of those.

Um, I don't know where you guys got any information saying that we opposed to any of those.

But your response to the report.

Oh, okay.

So um my apologies to that.

Now that I am gonna be um representing this restaurant, we will be doing things a lot differently.

Um, just because you know I'm gonna be responsible for a lot of people's lives.

And so therefore, um there are steps that need to be made, and we do need to address a lot, and I totally agree with Miss Murphy on it's gonna take the the ownership and the the businesses as well to come together because right now it's just it does look neglected.

I read um that we that there was some abandoned cars in the back of the parking lot.

Those can be removed.

I think one of the cars broke down.

Um, but you know, when we had when we were operating, we we did have curve appeal.

We we did try to, you know, beautify the neighborhood because that is our neighborhood, you know.

So um, but I just wanted you and you all to know that we were not opposed to any suggestions that the police recommend.

Um it's just a conversation.

Conversations can clear a lot of communication.

Just to uh just to respond to the lighting.

Um in the spring, we had somewhere between 13 to 16 wall packs installed in the rear of the plaza, so there's lighting all the way from one end to the other.

And then uh just last month, about 35 days ago, we dug the parking lot.

Um there's a break underground, three of the pole lights have been out for a year or so.

Um we dug and reconnected those, so um, it is pretty well lit up at night.

Um all replaced with uh I don't know the wattage off the top of my head, but they're all we up the wattage and all the canopy lights.

Um so yeah, yep.

And the the parking lot too.

I believe we have a grocery tenant coming in.

Um, and that's gonna be one of the first things we do is uh redo the lot.

So there's for the applicant.

If not, uh, are there individuals who wish to speak in favor of this application?

If so, please come forward, provide your name and address and your comments for the record.

Good afternoon, my name is Sarissa Nelson.

Um address is 210 Basin Street.

Thank you.

Um I approve of this uh being a restaurant.

I think it's uh good fit for the area.

Um create a little friendly competition with uh sabotinos and uh wings over Syracuse.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Good afternoon.

My name is Terry Hanks.

I live in the city of Syracuse in Wyman area.

Uh I'm in favor of the Taste of Brooklyn restaurant.

I think it's a good place for a restaurant, given that you know it was prior food that we were appreciative of, and they had a lot of good things going on.

I think they continue to eat some place to come and just relax and eat.

I'm in favor of it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Hi.

My name's Yvonne Millard.

I'm at 151 West Sheltingham Road in Syracuse, New York.

I am in favor of the Taste of Brooklyn restaurant.

Um, and I believe that it's gonna be an awesome business.

Yeah.

They're good people.

Thank you.

Hi, my name's Adam Irons.

I live at 151 West Cheltenham, and I am in favor of Taser Brooklyn restaurant.

Thank you.

Good evening.

Cornelson, 123 Pro Street.

Uh, just wanna say I'm in favor of Taser Brooklyn Restaurant.

Speaking of the microphone, please.

Okay.

I would like to say I'm in favor of Taser Brooklyn restaurant opening.

Thank you.

Hello, my name is Tyrone Pritchett, and uh, I'm gonna approval Taste of Brooklyn.

We've opened this restaurant.

Not only did they bring some of the community together, but they serve excellent food.

And I've been in Syracuse for over 30 years.

You see it?

I've come and gone, but they show they show, I mean, they make some of the best food in Syracuse.

Thank you.

I'm gonna be a little second real quick, because I'm gonna hear some points, some things that acts that they might not know.

My name is Kamara Bowman.

We created something called the Minority Entertainment Coalition.

It's backed by one current council member, America Gathers, is also backed by a host of members of the next mayors.

Um the next female Sharon Owens is backed by a people in her corridor.

Um, so I wrote it so I won't be too long.

The Minority Entertainment Coalition, Mech proudly submits this statement in strong support of the proposed opening of the Taste of Brooklyn restaurant on South Salina Street.

Who are we?

We build safe, inclusive, and economically vibrant spaces that reflect and uplift our communities.

As the founder of Mech and youth director of the Mary Nelson Youth Center, I see firsthand house safe, well-rent venues create jobs, positive options for our young people.

Mech will coordinate with the new mayor's administration, which oversees the circuit police department to assure safety at members, at member establishments, events and a long key corridors like South Salina Street.

Why we support Taste of Brooklyn restaurant?

TOB restaurant led by Chanel, a respected and civically engaged recipient.

She lived in the 13th 205 area for years.

She lived right down the street.

This is what you call invested in your community.

She's not somebody who's coming from another city, from the upper east side, from the wit.

She's lived down the street.

So these same things that you guys say that she's battling with the parking lot, what you think she battled on the street?

She literally is like literally a two, a two-minute walk from her home, a residence, to this establishment.

Um community roots.

I don't know if y'all know her father's on self-solina.

He's an established business owner.

How you pronounce it, Janelle.

I always say one job.

I got dyslexia, so don't mind me.

But Anna Java, that's her father.

He on the other end of South Salina Street.

Um, through talking to conversation with Chanel and her team, Taser Brooklyn will bring 12 to 15 jobs in one year.

Three in the customers weekly served.

A safe, clean, family friendly environment.

Visible black, woman-led entrepreneurship and hospitality.

Mech safety model, hospitality first, enforcement ready.

People in presence.

This week I went downtown, there's 30 police officers down there.

I asked out of 30 cops, 20 cops said they're gonna come out and work for Mec.

Because I gave them a proposition that they can't resist.

If we got an issue with any Mech establishments, they they willing to come out for one 20 hour.

The money ain't nothing compared to safety.

Umone who's rooted in TOB, I've been around him for years, and he's been he had his vision for years about uplifting our community through hospitality, through nightlife, through restaurants.

And I know what takes a Brooklyn to do is it won't be a one-off business.

As they grow one year, you got 12 to 15 people on their payroll.

The next year you got 25 to 30 people on their payroll.

Y'all get my picture, right?

After when it hit like five years, we have a black owned company that's hiring 50 to 60 people minimum.

When I was going to meet with them and they was going to a battle with the club setting, I was seeing women cry like, yo, Kamar, I quit my job.

I was making $2,000 a week as a bartender.

I don't even know how I'm gonna never make this type of money again in my life.

So we're talking about uh uh a home based business that's actually aligning what us African Americans need.

I don't know if y'all know the numbers on it, but our kids is the poorest kids in the country.

So we're talking about pouring back into a community where the data say, the data that you guys look at, the census says that 13205 is a is one of the poorest communities in America.

45.6% of the kids is broke, they say.

So I'm I'm gonna go off of that, and then I'm I'm gonna go with something else I got for you guys.

Um so um, I don't know if are you guys out aware, but the Valley Plaza is not gonna have an issue no more.

It's been approved by the governor, whereas a million dollar investment is going in the Valley Plaza.

I don't know if everybody wears this.

But only reason I know is because I'm on the board that the higher the higher the young kids at this at this new um grocery store.

It's coming in the same Valley Plaza.

So now with the with the with the state putting millions of dollars in this Valley Plaza, them problems gonna they're gonna evaporate.

Because ain't no the state not gonna allow the the broken glass, the violence.

The state no Hogan's not gonna allow that because she's back in this.

It's backed.

It may not be to the public yet, but if you get to calling y'all peoples and asking some questions, and my appointment is Kevin Rice, business specialist from the neighborhood development, right here at the mayor's office.

That's my point, man.

He appointed me to go out here and hire kids for this development.

So all the problems that y'all speaking about, they kind of gone now.

Because ain't nobody gonna allow a million dollar establishment to be built, and then for these troubles, the glass, the car.

So now, and then with the biggest thing about it is because I was a when Kevin told me, hey, when he texted me and said, hey, Kamar, um a company out of Buffalo got approved to go to create a grocery store in the Valley Plaza.

I was livid.

I said, Oh my God, we don't never get nothing.

They coming to get all this money in our community, it's our community.

I don't know if y'all consider it y'all, but as mine, it's been mine for for 40 years.

So with that being said, it's like now with this blessing coming from Governor Hogo, I think it's right that y'all allowed him to get a little bit of play.

Because now you're talking about foot traffic.

Now you're talking about a different level of success with these black entrepreneurs.

Again, now we're talking about uh Buffalo-owned company who's been in business for over 30 years.

They bring in the grocery store to the same plaza.

But again, I noticed because I work hand in hand currently for the last six weeks.

I've been working hand in hand with Mr.

Rice, Kevin Rice.

You can ask him who I am.

You can see text messages, verifications, but this is going to Valley Plaza.

So again, I'm also in belief that we can't just let the money go out of the state.

So now we need to make sure that some of this money stays in our area.

Because when Kevin told me it was coming, I was heartbroken.

I said, we ain't getting none of this grocery store money.

But then I said, nah, if we get Texas to Brooklyn and staying here, at least some of this money can stay local with this immediate foot traffic by the thousands.

A grocery store will be in Valley Plaza real soon.

So again, thank you for the time.

I got said as y'all was talking, I had to whoop whoop.

I had to copy and paste.

Exit some things out.

But my name is Kamar Bowman, y'all.

And I uh represent the Minority Entertainment Coalition.

Thank you.

Good evening.

My name is Xavion Walker.

I'm a resident of Syracuse, New York.

I live in the area of Taste of Brooklyn.

And one thing I want to say on behalf of my mom and the piggyback of what he was saying, it is family owned.

And a lot of people were not even not just emotionally, but financially, they were disturbed after the shutdown of the establishment because, like he said, it came in and it brought in minimum five to ten, then it started growing from 10 to 20.

Then I started working.

And I'm the youngest in the house, so I just started working because I'm like, okay, it's starting to pick up here, so I'm gonna use my own vehicle to go to Cisco and grab food and go do these orders at Restaurant Depot.

And I enjoyed it.

I'm not, it was a tedious at first, and then I started to look forward to calling my mom weekly, like, mom, where the orders at?

Mom, where the orders at?

I'm looking forward to it because when your family owns something in, I don't want to say crab in a barrel town, but the type of you see what I'm talking about.

The town that we have here, and everybody wants to pull you down and just I can go on all day about this, but everything that doesn't matter to the community when Taste of Brooklyn came in as a sports bar.

It was very vibrant.

A lot of people were coming, like that's just the nightlife.

We're not talking about the the daily people who came in between what three to three to seven, three to eight.

The early crowd that's coming in from Loreto that's coming off to get a some wings cheese fries and maybe a drink, then they leave to go home to their kids or come in, talk to the bartenders about their day because everyone knows each other in Syracuse.

So it's not like we're out of towners and we don't know anybody.

Everybody's like, it's a good vibe.

So the people who let's say if it's 100 people in there, 10 bad apples, they shouldn't really be the end all be all and determine if the establishment should just be shut down overall.

That's just my opinion.

That to me that's not fair, but everybody has their own things of how they go about things, and that's just how the way of life goes.

But to me, if it was up to me, I will vote for it to stay open because of how happy everyone was at the time.

Like I can call everyone in my phone, and they'll say the same thing that I'm saying.

Please bring it back, please bring it back.

We missed the cheese fries, we missed the chicken wings.

We miss being able to come in after a long day and sit down and be around our people and just kick back and relax.

Like he was said, people were making $2,000 a week as a bartender.

I don't know where people do that at.

Especially in this small city that we have, I think we live in a town populated at what, 144,000 people.

Yeah.

So in a small town like that, you're making $2,000 a week in a four-week month, two, four, six, eight, eight thousand dollars a month off being a bartender.

People are starting for their full-time, 40-hour jobs, they're starting to cut it down to 25 hours.

20 hours.

Now they're full-time at the bar.

People are buying new cars, they're putting their kids in private schools, they're getting new dental work.

They're doing everything that they wanted to do off of a small black-owned business.

Not even just say small black-owned business, a small business, period.

Because the family, okay, just this and all.

I just, I just vote for it to stay open.

Because I just miss how everybody was happy.

And now it's just like everybody's just waiting and moping around and just waiting to be approved, but feels I just, you know, that's all I have to say.

Thank you.

I'm gonna say real quick.

My name is Vera Howington.

I'm a resident of Syracuse.

I live at 137 Hancock Drive.

Chanel is my daughter.

And I just want to sum it up by saying I'm all for opening Taste of Brooklyn.

As they said already, this is a change of use.

It shouldn't be held to the sense of Taste of Brooklyn, the bar.

It's a change of use.

It's a new owner.

She's willing to work with the police.

She's willing to do everything needed to open up the bar.

To open up the restaurant.

Open up the restaurant.

I'm sorry.

It's a family-owned business.

We just want to continue to have a legacy for our family, just like any other family would do in this city.

And to block that would be a travesty.

So we're just asking for you to cooperate with us as we cooperate with you to move forward.

Thank you.

Thank you.

How are you doing?

My name's Sean Nelson, live at 108 Hobart Av.

I actually wasn't gonna get up, but I think I do have to piggyback off of some things.

I know um the uh information was provided to you on just a lot of bad things that happen with Taste of Brooklyn.

It's a lot of good things that happened with Taste of Brooklyn as well.

A lot of donations, a lot of sponsorships, uh book bag giveaways.

We did about 500 500 book bag giveaways, tablets.

We do uh uh back to school events and things like that.

I don't want Taste of Brooklyn to just be like a bad name.

It's like Omar said, it's not just gonna be a restaurant, it's gonna be a cafe, it's gonna be a corner store.

It's gonna be more than just one entity as it further alongs.

So when the Sportswire got closed, we had 30 people out of jobs.

Now I know a lot we took a lot of blame, and it a lot of it was our fault, but we also we also tried to exhaust all of our administrative remedies on help.

And like the parking lot, you know, people leaving the parking lot.

And we went to council, we went to a lot of people, and they said it's our issue.

And we notice downtown has the same issue now that just about every black minority bar establishment is closed right now.

So all the minorities, the black people are going downtown, and downtown is seeing this influx of people not leaving, but these are the same issues that we all had, and it was our fault, and now we notice downtown says, what are you gonna do about it?

This is not our fault.

And so we just kind of always wanted the same treatment.

You know, we tried our best.

Um I know you bring up the two murders in the parking lot.

One was nobody really goes into the details of the points.

One was a 12-year-old boy.

He's not in the bar.

It's 12 o'clock.

You know, the bar is being blamed and not his parents or anything like that.

Another, the other murder was on Father's Day, the bar closed at 1.30, the shooting happened at 2.30 in the morning.

It's like, do you want us to stay out till four in the morning?

And patrol, like the parking lot is not ours.

So it's hard to patrol the parking lot.

We try to come out with different measures on patrolling the parking lot.

Um a lot of the other points, they had nothing to do with the bar.

But when they presented it, they would say three points for harassment, but they wouldn't tell you the harassment occurred at somebody's house that left the bar and somebody following with order protection.

And our defense is like if someone has to order protection, the bar is not here to, you know, we don't say, hey, you can't come in, you got to order protection, but we still would get the points if they, you know, the guy followed her to the house and beat her up, and they say, well, serious events, if they would have never gone to Taste of Brooklyn, this one happened, or somebody was drunk driving, jumped out their car and said, Oh, I got robbed for Taste of Brooklyn and my keys.

I don't know who took my car, instead of just reporting that they.

So we all in points accumulated.

Nobody actually took the due diligence of going through each one of them.

And just like I said with the car being reported stolen, it was a whole nother DR that shows that the person that got out the car stabbed somebody and took off running.

But they separated and gave Taste of Brooklyn the points for one DR and the stabbing a different DR.

And I think if they would have put that together, they would have realized, okay, because the cops said they know the car wasn't stolen, but still got the points.

It was a whole point system.

Somebody car get vandalized four in the morning.

It became a point on Taste of Brooklyn.

Like it's not even open at four in the morning.

Um just going for it, like, I just don't want it to be bad mouthed or like just thought of in a negative.

We are trying to change it, is a community.

The whole Syracuse really backs Taste of Brooklyn because of the energy, the vibrations brought.

We do have bad seeds, and I think that's anywhere.

It's just on how can we work together with the city of Syracuse to uh change and accommodate these things so we're not failing each other.

So the business is not fell in the community.

Uh the city's not fell in the business, and so we're all in a roundabout, you know.

That's just really all I gotta say.

Thank you.

Uh I will now ask if there's anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to the application to come to the podium, provide your name address and comments.

Kathleen Stribley, 316 Monticello Drive North.

Um I left my um written comments in my printer for this project.

Um I live about two or three blocks south of Valley Plaza.

I'm also involved in a group called Fawn, who's been trying to get a grocery store in the plaza and trying to upgrade the kind of services the plaza provides.

This unfortunately, and I I agree about the name, the previous business degraded the reputation of Valley Plaza.

Um it was in the headlines a lot.

Um the problem with this um proposal, we're not against the restaurant, or I'm not against the restaurant.

The hours of operation with the takeout from 10 to 2:30 in the morning every day will c will attract a lot of cars to that area.

There's a that's a 400-car parking lot, and they will play music and open their doors, and we will have the same kind of noise impacts and the same attraction of incidents with that carry-out operation, even if we don't have liquor.

So it there's no way to get around that.

Um I know there's issues with the parking lot, but there's no way to get around that issue.

So if they were closing earlier, period, no takeout, that might be a different issue.

That might be a different thing.

Um, but we're all very, very concerned about this reapplication because we do have the grocery store coming in.

There they have been some things done on the Salina Street facade.

We're getting a bank, got the cure leaf, which looks good.

Um things are looking up, and things have been much less disturbed down there since this bar was closed.

Um I'm concerned about the visibility of the entry, just like the police are with it with a gate and the and the fence.

Um I agree that there were homeless there, people were going to the bathroom there, it was a mess.

They they probably just moved it outward.

But if there's any way that fence could be made a little more visible so somebody could see into that area.

I think that would help.

They also mentioned the area it can be climbed.

So I don't know, you know, what kind of architectural uh fix there could be to that, but I think there could be something done.

Um we don't want any more trial and error there.

We don't want to go back into a situation where we people are being disturbed where there's loud noise in the parking lot at night and music coming from wherever.

We just had another one with the same kind of problem.

They operate till two in the morning, then we got cars in the neighborhood till 3:34 in the morning.

Other people talk about that.

Um there's not enough surveillance to deal with this kind of issue.

So it's a it's the time of operation that's the biggest problem.

Um I looked at the play-ins.

I think um I would only make a comment that I I hear that in the operation previously they were way over fire limits inside.

So there's a there's a limit um for um number of patrons, and I think they were over before, and I don't know how we're gonna gonna, I mean, how they're gonna police that, but they just they jam as many people in there as possible.

So I'd also I want to point out from the standpoint of a neighbor that when I read this application, the hours of operation are wrong on the staff report.

And I I emailed Xi Tang today about it.

Um we didn't have a chance to even, we were confused about what their hours were.

I thought they were 6.30 to 2.30 during the day.

I saw one of the things that says there.

I said that was fine, but then we look at takeoff from 10 to what I don't know.

That's not fair to the neighbors to have that kind of confusion, and we couldn't even talk about it with uh with other people that are concerned.

So um again, I'm not opposed to a restaurant.

I don't think this site is a good one for late-night takeout at all.

We've had too much, too many problems there.

So thank you.

You were correct.

There was an error in the staff report.

I think it's been the correct hours have been identified this evening.

So that's the basis 6 a.m.

until 2:30 a.m.

is what's being proposed.

Right.

And that's very long and it's very problematic in that location.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in opposition, please come forward.

Good evening.

My name is Robin Baker.

I live at 123 Flo More Ave, and I am definitely affected by this establishment and have been for a while.

I have been in front of you a few times.

I don't know if you guys remember me, but I don't think it's fair to the neighbors.

And I hear a lot of people talking about, you know, they are for this restaurant, but I want to know who actually lives in a proximity where it affects their livelihood, their their health, their safety, the quality of life.

I live on Fillmore, and it affects me deeply.

We have had a lot of issues with establishments in this area, not only Taste of Brooklyn, but others.

And I would like to hear them say they want to speak and talk to people that live in the neighborhood.

Not live in the community, but are affected and affected by it directly.

I am, I live at Fillmore.

And I don't think the hours are conducive to what we are or you know, what we stand for in our community in our neighborhood.

Um I don't agree that the neighborhood's going down.

We 95% of the people that live on my street on Fillmore own their own home.

They're very proud of their home.

It might not be a luxurious home as others, but we take pride in our community in our neighborhood and our homes.

And I don't think this business is conducive to what we plan for our neighborhood.

It just does not work.

And I am not against a law-abiding citizen wanting to open up an establishment and a business.

Everyone should have the opportunity to do so, but not at the cost of others healthy and safety and the quality of life.

That's when it becomes an issue.

And I would like to hear them talk about getting with the neighbors that affects them this.

You know, this affects them and talking and sitting down with them, not only the people that go to the establishment, but the people that live there where the establishment will be.

And I'm not opposed to a restaurant, but at regular hours, not at 2.30 in the morning.

They I would love to hear that they could go home and they have a nice quiet at 2.30 in the morning.

They're still sleeping.

Music is not waking them up.

People are not yelling and screaming or hiding in their driveway.

Um, and they have a good quality of life.

These people, I want to, I want to speak with them and let them know that it does affect us.

It affects our home.

There's a lot of people on our street, 90% of us are retired.

I'm retired.

We spent 30 years of our life paying for our home and having the trying to do the best quality of life that we have.

You know, our grandkids come in our neighborhood, we have families come over.

And when we have guests, we're responsible for the way that they act in our neighborhood.

You have to take accountability when you invite people to your establishment.

You just can't say, oh, well, you know, I can't take care of whoever is left over in the parking lot.

That's if I have a guest over at my home, I have to be responsible how they act and how they conduct themselves in my neighborhood.

I pay taxes.

I, you know, I'm I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I respect and I expect the same thing for someone that comes into my community for me and my neighbors.

And thank you for listening to me.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Other individuals wishing to speak in opposition to the application, please come forward.

Good evening.

My name is Rhonda Visi.

I live at 117 Seneca Drive, not too far from the Valley Plaza.

I am uh founder and executive director of Food Access Healthy Neighborhoods Now.

Um in 2019.

Um I made a call to Bill Paladino, who's the owner of the Valley Plaza, because we had lost our grocery store in 2018 when the topps left.

Um it was during the pandemic that we sat down and formed a group.

But prior to that, the mayor Walsh and uh Eric Innis and Bill, who came down in a rainstorm to meet us.

We met at the Gannon's ice cream store to talk about getting permission to be on the property.

One of the things that we thought about doing was starting a farmer's market, bringing access to fresh food to the community.

Thankfully, Bill, generous, kind gentleman that he was, listened to us, talked to us.

At that point, we were trying to come up with ideas about what store might want to take over.

First, it was Aldi's, they didn't want to expand into a 44,000 square foot space store.

I've done a lot of conveyor conversations with.

So the summer of 2022, we launched the first farmers market outdoors in the Valley Plaza.

It went well.

It went so well that we decided we would continue on.

There was no way to stop.

As you all know, Dollar General, DG Market, Family Dollar.

Those are not fresh food places, and that's what we have in our communities, unfortunately.

13204, 13205, and 13207, which make up the most impoverished in the nation, right here in Syracuse, New York.

So continuing on, we further got permission to be inside, indoor space, which we maintained now for the last four years.

We launched our fifth outdoor farmers market this summer in the Valley Plaza.

Um and pretty much we've been free of trouble, free of having to make phone calls to the police, free of disturbances.

Fortunately, just trying to keep maintain status quo and keeping up the property the way we have been expected to.

And I think we've done a pretty good job of that.

Um sat in one of our listening sessions, and that was right in the beginning when he was opening up the business, fixing up the bar, making it as nice as he did.

Um I had hoped in the beginning there might be some way we could have collaborated.

Um not that anything happened, we just never got to that point.

Um, but we continued on.

Um we've continued on so well that we introduced a Wednesday evening market workshop series where for me the key was now gaining an educational component, not only having access to fresh food, but some folks that haven't always had an opportunity to learn how to cook fresh food.

We have we bring that component to the market now on Wednesdays.

Um fiscal sponsor at that time was Center State CEO.

I have since realigned um food access healthy neighborhoods now with Hope Print, um, who is Nicole Watts, which I'm happy to be aligned with an operational support.

So, yes, it was a lot of hard work over the last four years, boots on the ground in order to find a grocer, which we did identify out of Buffalo, as the gentleman said, coming up here to take over that space.

When we did a site, when we did the site visit last year, we hadn't identified a grant yet.

We didn't know about HOCO's food access food expansion grant.

But Kevin, Race, and myself and Jesse from the Brady Farm, which is one of our main vendors, along with Plum and Meal, one of our main vendors, identified the grant, and it was a long, tedious process, but we got it done.

Um is a partner on the grant.

And when they announced that three top people, three top organizations that were part of that monies, we were so happy.

1.7 million dollars for infrastructure is not a little bit of money.

Not when you talk about the size and the low income that the community has.

It's a big deal.

It's a big deal to this whole city, and it needs to be.

How does that make a business owner feel not good?

But as the other neighbor said who lives in the community, the the the unrestfulness has sort of had a lull.

It's it's been easy.

Does that come back?

How do we help that?

Is there an opportunity to offer professional type business administration?

I don't know.

But but what we do know is that it's a poor community working its way back up with a lot of black and brown folks that need to take a step up in many different ways, and I think the reputation that Fawn and myself have been able to do in the over the five years has made a difference.

Made a difference enough to know that I can work almost with anybody, and I'm not sure where this lies right here tonight.

Uh, but I do know that the points that are being made are probably points for discussion, and then coming up with an opportunity in order to make things right.

Do we need a restaurant?

We don't hardly have anything.

We need a restaurant, we need a coffee shop, we needed a grocery store.

We we need the corner stores to be cleaned up, we need a lot.

I don't I don't know if help is coming right away.

Syracuse is is in a bad state, so it's gonna take people working together to help get things done, and that's what I wanted to be able to do to introduce myself to you all.

If this goes back to the council and back to you all, I want you to remember who I am and remember my name because we need to make a difference in Syracuse, whether we can I just ask a quick question.

Sure, sure.

Can you confirm that a grocery store is coming to I can I can confirm that a grocery store is coming?

Okay, and you happen to know offhand the roughly the timeline.

They're looking, they're looking to do the soft ribbon cutting um midway September.

Okay.

Um we hope to be partnering uh or meeting up with um the gentleman who is the grocer, the owner.

Um, Governor Holkel is expected to come so that we can do a soft ribbon cutting sometime in September, and hopefully that'll align also with community bank, which is coming.

So hopefully there'll be a three-way time for uh community engagement.

That's what's next.

The community has to be behind, definitely what's about to happen in the community.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Next, please.

I'm Lisa Lambert.

I'm at 194 Maplewood.

I help with Fawn.

I also am the TNT for the Valley representative, and I'm on the Valley board for citywide.

It's not the restaurant, it's the restaurant isn't the issue.

The issue is really the placement of that restaurant, and I really think Paul Gino, that was not when that building and that plaza were constructed, that was an opening.

He put that little space in there.

He won, they want to expand.

That's not a place to expand.

There's other places in that plaza that could be a restaurant that's not hidden in that corner that allows that to be hidden.

That's a terrible place.

We all agree, and we want the restaurant.

I live in the valley, I work in the valley.

I'm a teacher in the school district.

My students walk by there every day or all the time.

I want the valley to be safe.

I miss not having the ice cream parlor.

We need restaurants.

We only have fast food restaurants in the valley for the most part, nothing to sit in.

So that isn't the issue.

It's the location and what it brings.

If they had a different part of the val the plaza, that they offered you a different place space.

I bet you it would be wonderful in that sense.

The hours, I do have an issue with because that area needs to quiet down at night.

As much as we'd love to say that it doesn't, it does.

For the safety of everybody, we have to quiet it down because we do have a lot of people setting up things and stuff.

That really that location is just so bad in the corner.

It doesn't have the protection that they deserve and the right to open a nice business.

It doesn't have the ability to expand like you want.

I've worked in restaurants.

You want as much space for tables.

You want to be able to get a crowd.

You want to have a kitchen space.

Truly.

I mean, the neighborhood deserves it.

We are, we're not just getting the market or the to uh new grocery store.

If you look or can't the TNT meetings, we found out that they're gonna actually make a rapid stop.

Four central in the Valley Plaza.

They're gonna be constructing something hopefully nice for easier travel.

We know we need a grocery store because I don't know what I would do without I luck out.

I have a car.

But if you have kids and you're trying to get groceries for your kids, and you have to take the bus, try it.

It's not fun.

It would not be a fun thing for our families in the valley.

My students, I know some of them don't have that stuff.

I want I'm fine with the idea of a restaurant.

It's the hours and that location.

It's setting them up for failure or something happening.

We don't need that in there.

We need to build it up and make it a place that we can be proud of.

With all these wonderful things, yes, we're doing Pelabino.

He's gonna make out with this because he's let this go down so bad.

If you look at the garbage there and stuff, that shouldn't be there.

That it should not be, and it's not your guy's fault.

Truly, it's because it's been let to go this bad.

But if we're putting this investment, if Central's bringing a bus station, a rapid bus line to just there, that they're not going into the NADRO.

It's stopping there as a rapid bus line.

We need to make that parking lot safe.

We need to have that lighting.

It's not just one business, it's not their fault.

But we do need to make sure that our community is safe enough that we can get these people to come in.

And that's part of the problem is that that wasn't making it safe.

And most of the businesses don't have cages on, they don't are putting battle things purely, yes.

The bank will probably, yes, of course.

Some of the other ones here and there.

We know that.

We're trying to make it better, but we need the help too.

We need to make it safe, and truly the operating hours is what's gonna kill it, and the location, and if they could figure out a different location for them, we'd love it because we do need more black businesses.

We need more businesses, period in that neighborhood that people can be proud of and grow with and bring more people wanting to live in.

I mean, I live on the other side of the turp pike, but no, I drive through there every day.

It doesn't matter what time.

The valley is a valley, it's the greenest part of the city, it's the most beautiful part of the city.

You guys are building up huge things up on top of the hill that's gonna affect us all below the hill.

The turnpike, we never even it took forever for them to come and talk to us about the inner thing until they started building all those loops up there because we're always left out because we're at the end of the city.

We don't want that.

We want people to live here, love neighborhood, walk to be able to walk the streets here, and I just think we get a bad name because of it.

But if we do some preventative things along the way, like closing certain things down early enough, it does help with the crime.

And if you ask the cops, the neighbors in the valley, they call them for everything.

Other parts of the city, they watch people get robbed and say, Thank God it's at my house.

In the valley, we all look out for each other because that's who's gonna look out for each other is the valley people.

Thank you.

Uh, before I proceed further, I just want to touch base with staff to find out if there are any um limitations on our enjoyment of these facilities this evening in terms of security.

Okay.

Okay, and we'll okay.

We'll continue.

Not that we're trying to prolong things, but they just want to be aware of that.

So, as indicated earlier, um as part of our normal process when an applicant is presenting the details of their application, and they receive comments through this process in opposition, they have an opportunity to return to the podium and address comments made in opposition.

So the applicant has that opportunity now if you choose to take advantage of it.

Oh, I thought you guys asked me to come up.

Yeah, what I'm getting at is you made your presentation.

Yes, and then a number of people spoke in favor of it, and some people spoke in opposition to it.

Our process includes an opportunity for you as the applicant, if you choose to speak to or address some of the comments that were made in opposition.

You don't have to, but the opportunity is.

Um to address one of the one of the ladies said that, you know, we we need to be um visual of our customers that come in.

And yeah, when you're when you have a business and you're dealing with with alcohol previously, like we did, it it was an eye-opener for me.

I I was like, is this how people really act?

But you know, it is it's just it's just good, you get good and you get bad.

And we and we literally tried our hardest, you know, and it kind of it was a lot, but I just feel like if we can just get some so just some support, we can really make a difference and to please everybody in the community and on the streets in the neighborhood, please you guys, and you know, just have good things spoken about the restaurant and try to move forward.

So, yeah.

Chanel, uh a question.

Um, and let me just say one of the things I said in the beginning is I need to see a reason to believe that things are gonna be different than before.

And I appreciate your sincerity and uh you are addressing the the situation.

One of the problems we ran into last time was ambiguity about the ownership structure, and I'm still wondering about that because you you're listed as the authorized agent.

Yeah, uh, but Sean is also listed at one point as one of the operators.

Okay, so never well, you you are in the material that we have based on a conversation.

Okay.

I came to the internet to represent my name is Noah.

I was still out on the hour.

So I guess I'm trying to figure out what is the main issue with that here.

So if I am the owner and my name is on the paperwork, but we're in a relationship for 10 years, right?

And he is very smart, he knows the business.

I'll I'm learning the business because we've been doing this since 2018.

So what I'm trying to understand is what is he not supposed to have a role?

Can I not appoint him a role?

Or if like how how how do you guys work because you know, if you people have uh a family owned business, and then they got their uncle and their uncle unc cousins, and you know, everybody's working together.

My question to you is what role is he not supposed to play, or he is supposed to play.

If I am I'm not questioning his role or anybody's role, I just it's important for us to know who the actual certified owner is of the of the operation and of all uh of the property.

So we you know that Mr.

Paladino owns the parking lot, the building that you're leasing from, and you are listed as the agent or the owner of the operation or the business.

Yes.

And you you certainly can get anybody that you want to to help you to consult with you, to give you advice, information, et cetera.

I'm just trying to clarify because this is one of the problems we went ran into before.

We had lots of different names that were thrown off as people that are associated with the business.

And so we just need to clarify that.

I need to clarify.

So I know nothing about whatever you guys are going through in the past.

All I know is today I made a not today.

I didn't make a decision today.

But um, I have made a decision to step up and to represent the restaurant in a different way than it has been represented in the past.

So um right now, me standing here, I am the present owner.

Now we don't know six months from now I might change my mind.

Next year, you never know, but right now I am the present owner, and Sean Nelson is my significant other.

Now, whatever, whatever it was going on in the past, I'm not sure.

I'm just trying to clarify.

Okay.

It's just simply.

Yeah.

Uh and so I I do see a possible way forward.

Uh, you know, we had a uh I don't want to say a similar situation, but when the Duncan Donuts did a retrofit of the facility, there were lots of concerns of the neighbors about that.

They actually met with neighbors and adjustments were made to the plan as a result of conversations with the neighbors.

I'm hearing that that might be one of the things that would be useful as a as a path forward in this particular situation to get together with the neighbors and find out what are the issues or the concerns of neighbors and figure out a way to address that.

The other thing that concerns me is the address the the failure to address at what I consider to be adequately all of the issues in the SEPTED report.

And as as you seem to indicate tonight, you weren't really aware of all the stuff that was in the SEPTED report.

And so that that concerns me.

I know the issue with the the fence and all the stuff in the beginning in the op uh the uh the front of the building.

I think that are probably other solutions than what is there right now.

I would personally, I would like to see a better response to the SEPTED report, not just with the fencing and the the the windows and and things, but the other things in the area.

So I mean, my personally, I'm not sure what my fellow commissioners think will have to debate, but I would be inclined if I had to vote tonight, I would be inclined to deny simply because of ambiguities, but I might be in favor of putting this on hold and urging you to get together with the police again in the SEPTED review the SEPTED report if you as the owner really weren't aware of what was in there to take a look at that and see if there's other things that could be made.

Is the SEPTEP am I pronouncing that right?

Is that the report that the recommendation that the police okay?

So me and him read that over.

I'm sorry, I didn't know the the proper terminology of that.

Um so he emailed it to me, and the other night we like went over it, and I actually thought it was gonna be a little bit more harsh um for what they recommended because you know uh I was really surprised that it was so um, but we we did discuss that.

So I'm sorry I didn't know the proper jar on on that.

Okay.

Um so in any case, I mean my my feeling, I think there's some segment of you know the commissioners that the response to that was not as adequate or as robust as it might be.

So that that's one issue.

The other thing that's coming up for discussion tonight, which uh really seems to be a relevant point, is with respect to uh the takeout service after 1030.

Now, I'm not sure what your business plan is and what you figure your revenue is from the restaurant when it's open as a restaurant versus how much revenue you're gonna get uh when it's a takeout after 1030.

But that might be one of the things you want to revisit as well, because that that you know, the kind of activity that would be going on there from 1030 to 2 is exactly the kind of activity, even though you may not be responsible for what people are doing, it's exactly the kind of activity that creates the problem.

You're absolutely right, it's unpredictable, and we do need to take realistic approaches.

So I am open to meeting with um the police, and definitely I'm I'm really open to meeting with these women and talking to them.

And even if we don't agree, I just still would like to just have a conversation um to just hear them out.

Because we live, we shared the same neighborhood and um the same concerns.

So um moving forward, I guess I will have to start um opening up more communication waves with um who I need to in order to get the business established if approved.

I I think I would add to that that I fawn, which I think that Robin offered in a very kind way to possibly help facilitate your outreach with the neighborhood as well as Lisa at TNT.

I think both of those are opportunities for your business to actually hear and listen.

I think it's really um we have had uh we had a similar uh restaurant, bar, diner situation.

Right, right.

And the recommendation, which the applicant agreed to after much discussion, was a reduction in the hours as a start.

Anybody is welcome to always come back to the planning commission or the staff and ask for more after, but it seems to work that you walk before you, you crawl before you are.

And I'm definitely you know, you give everybody a chance to see how is this gonna work?

And do we have the business capacity to do it all in the first day, which most people we all struggle with.

Um but I believe that's a critical piece to uh a first step.

I definitely agree.

I think we can we do need to discuss um some changes, and you you're absolutely right.

We got a car before we walk.

We do have to prove ourselves again, and um we're definitely open and willing to do those things in order to just build that trust back up again.

And lastly, I would agree, as I said earlier, you know, we usually have 90-95% compliance with our applicants in the septe reports.

The police you know it's what they do all day, every day as vis-a-vis these applications.

So I would urge you to take a long hard look at the septed recommendations.

I believe you can also be assisted by the owner of the plaza, because there are things there that should be the owner's responsibility, and you know, hopefully the neighbors can also agree and assist with that.

Um so I think the compliance factor with the septed report needs to be higher.

Okay.

I I agree.

Sure.

Um I don't think that's probably if you broke it down to her about each of the issues of the recommendations.

So when they mentioned the lighting, Jack, you know, got up, they installed new lights.

The lights all the way around.

Um if you read, they uh acknowledge that it there are cameras, they're working cameras.

So one of the recommendations was to move the trailer into a well-lit um thing.

The response was that the trailer is in a well-lit area, and not only does it have the plaza cameras in the back, I mean, uh not only does it has the plaza lights, it also has solar lights.

So when movement goes back, so the trailer is in a good spot.

The trailer's used in conjunction with uh Taser Brooklyn food truck.

Um the truck in the back holds the trailer.

Is it has license plates on it?

The other one, the license plates were stolen off.

So we've filed a police report, so it's not abandoned.

I see they wrote that it was abandoned.

Um the trash.

Uh yeah, we do have a lot of things.

I don't know.

Did you guys get the response?

Did they we did?

Okay.

The trash, um, the business has been closed for a year, the dumpster's been there.

I think the response is we agreed to have it dumped and lock it, you know, because people are coming and dumping and not just in that dumpster, they come in the back and dump anywhere, tires, wherever.

So we did, I think so.

We kind of did agree to that to have it dumped and locked.

Um the car said we could move it, that's not an issue.

The trailer is in a well-lit area.

They asked the lights in the parking lot.

We normally park our food truck, our Taste of Brooklyn food truck in the back of that parking lot as well.

Um I mean, I think that what you want to do is take a look at what SEPTED recommended and what the response was by Taste of Brooklyn LLC.

I see they had the fence up, like Jack said.

Uh I've lived in this area since I've been in Syracuse 19 years.

Um the fence.

The fence originally went up because the homeless people were feces every day.

Right.

Um, and I think I think you can remove the tent, but if you take the fence down, I'm thinking from a different aspect than you guys would because I see it every day.

These guys that are breaking into each one of these establishments, they're not masterminds.

It's a I can see it, let me break it, let me go in.

Every store in that plaza has been broken into from Hair World to City Trends to Dollar General to the uh marijuana dispensary to Regina's, and further the bank might get broken into if they don't put a fence up.

And what do these businesses do?

Metro put a fence up, uh, and the cannabis spot put a fence up.

I think the fence is a deterrent because like you is motion first, there's motion sensors on the patio.

Somebody that can see directly in, they look around, they jump, they break in, they go if there's no fence, they break straight in.

They don't they're not breaking in here.

So here's a suggestion because we can't give you advice, but the staff is available to ask questions of.

It seems we're heading in the direction of holding on to give you a chance to put another answer together than the answer we got.

That seems to be the sense.

And possibly you, if you have something you want help answering, yeah, you talk to them, but you also say to the landlord, can we have it in writing?

What you've done as far as lighting and fencing goes.

Because there may be things that you're saying, you know, you don't you don't know the property.

You're you're the tenant.

But maybe the landlord can say these are the steps we've taken that have changed this spot since the last time this group saw an application.

I think the landlord agreed when the fence went up.

Um and that's why I say uh a lot of other businesses they're putting fences up.

It's just they don't have a foyer.

So the objection by SEPTED was not the gate.

It's the space that you can jump over during the night.

So it's just cameras and motion sensors.

So I think if somebody they're gonna if you take the the fence down, then it's just the glass.

That's it.

And they've been breaking glass, and I don't know if you know glass is very expensive.

You can put the higher game.

I think it's only six foot fence by zoning or you guys.

You can't go higher than six foot.

And currently currently there's there's vinyl in the funds.

There's vinyl slats in the funds.

Um I think I think maybe if we just get a chain link funds without the vinyl.

Oh, you could just pull them out.

That might that might be better for the talk to be.

Yeah, it's important.

Part of the problem, we're not in into here.

We're not experts on crime prevention through environmental design.

The police are and you know, so we can't say that if you do X, Y, and Z, that would satisfy the conditions that the police see as being necessary.

So that's that's our struggle right now in trying to deal with this.

Right.

And I just want one more thing.

I can furnish uh a ladder letter from the landlords uh saying that we upgraded the lights this year um all the way in the back end in the front.

So I think all this is pointing to the suggestion made just moments ago about taking a fresh look at the SEPTED recommendations and perhaps refreshing or reformulating the responses.

I think we're hearing information now that didn't appear in the responses.

You know better than we do information about what's on the ground and what's in place.

Um and it's better for us to see that in the response to the septe recommendations rather than to try to guess at it.

So I so I thought the responses actually went coincide with the the uh recommend because they're recommendations, they're not requirements.

And I thought they all kind of sort of asked about moving the trailer, the garbage.

I think they all went coincide.

I think the only thing is.

Oh no.

Oh, I would just I was basically saying I thought we agreed to most everything they they asked.

All right, okay, a little drive model.

Maybe I'm gonna reform okay.

Uh I think we'll close public comment.

Is that a reasonable step?

Um at 9 30.

And where do we go from here on this application?

Um do we address seeker?

This evening or am I hearing the applicant wish to hold it?

Or do you want a motion?

I would wait to do seeker if you're if you're holding it, I'd do seeker when you're ready for approval.

So I mean, part of the issue we're talking about multiple things here is not the septe report is one of the pieces.

The other piece that we're talking about is getting together with the neighbors, having a conversation with the neighbors about ways in which you might accommodate their concerns.

Another piece was the uh operating hours.

Uh and to what extent is the 1030 to 2 p.m.

uh necessary for your business plan to function successfully.

Is that something that could be changed, eliminating the problem that would occur in the later night hours where people are going to be in the parking lot and could cause trouble.

So there's it's not just the septeb report, there's several pieces here that our general feeling was that if you do due diligence, uh that perhaps there is a path forward here.

Uh we're not in the business of trying to not open businesses.

We want to open business.

We want open businesses to be successful to operate according to the law and to the neighborhood conditions, et cetera.

Uh and we want to do everything we can to help that happen.

Um and so that's why we're suggesting this is the path forward.

It's not just the septe report.

So I guess I would put this to the applicant.

Um if you wish for this body to hold this application, we can do so.

If you do not wish us to hold, we could consider we could hold it ourselves, or we could decide not to decide tonight, or we could um try to make a decision this evening.

I've heard a lot of issues that might be problematic in the minds of the commission members for approving a project of this nature.

I'm a little skeptical that we could reach agreement on uh path forward this evening.

Um so I just ask uh what's your desire here?

Would you want to hold it to gather some time to do the things that Commissioner Lenz just outlined?

You're gonna have it in your memory very soon.

Okay, um yeah, so I think we can do one.

So it your request will hold action on this, you'll do some more homework, and when you're you're feeling prepared uh with that homework, you'll signal to the office that you're ready to return to the agenda, and we can move from there.

Okay.

That sounds like uh good next step.

Thank you.

So we will not act on this tonight, we will hold it.

Um, but we still have a couple more items this evening.

Thank you, everyone.

Uh we'll try to make this quick because I did get a signal from the hallway.

Uh that's where we have two uh three-mile limits, so this will be quick.

Um first up is three-mile limit in the town of Anadaga, 3S-25-08 at 4774 Cleveland Road and 4848 West Seneca Turnpike.

Uh owner applicant is Michael Harper of Dwell Equity Group.

We do have City Engineer Office uh approval for this.

Okay.

Thank you.

Is there a motion for action on the three-mile limit in the town of Onadoga?

Move to approve.

Second.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh discussion.

All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

Town of Anadaga three-mile limit is approved.

And last one, three-mile limit, town of Salina, 3S-25-10 at 500-02 old Liverpool Road.

Uh Gary Angeloro is of GHA property management as the owner applicant.

We also have city engineers' approval for this.

Thank you.

Sarah's second.

Second.

Discussion.

All in favor of the motion, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed, please say nay.

Any abstentions?

The town of Salina, through my limit case is approved.

Anything else to come before us tonight?

No.

In that case, motion to adjourn.

So moved.

Second.

Discussion.

All in favor, please indicate by saying aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Nay.

Any abstentions?

We are adjourned until September 8th, I think.