This is the Syracuse Landmark Preservation Board meeting of August the 28th, 2025.

Present at today's meeting are Howard Trish.

Nicole Fregnito.

Robert Searing.

Jeff Romano.

Amber Dillon and Kate Oweter.

May I have a motion to accept the minutes to August the 7th?

Motion to accept the minutes.

Do we have a second on that motion?

Second.

Second to Bob.

Any changes, any modifications in the minutes?

Hearing none, seeing none.

All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed.

Minutes are adopted.

Thank you very much.

Public hearing.

Excuse me.

The board will now conduct the public hearings on today's agenda.

First, the applicant or the applicant's representative will be invited to describe the proposal scope, the excuse me, the proposed scope of work and to present any material documentation regarding the proposed proposal to the board.

Next, persons wishing to speak in favor of the proposal will be allowed to address the board.

Then persons in opposition to the proposal will be allowed to address the board.

Finally, the applicant or the representative will be given the opportunity to make closing state make closing comments to the board.

Excuse me.

Um following public comment, the board may vote uh to approve, approve with conditions, or deny the application as heard.

The board may also decide to hold this decision to the next public hearing.

If the hearing is closed, no additional information will be allowed into the record except for the information that the board may request.

That information will be available for public review with board staff.

Would you please introduce the first application?

Uh the first application is CA-25-22.

It's a certificate of appropriateness for 1305 James Street.

This is an exterior painting project, a new color scheme.

Um and the property is in the Sedgwick Highland James Preservation District.

Good morning.

May I have you introduce yourself with your address for the record, please?

Hi, I'm Sarah Wolfe.

Uh I'm Joshua Mayfield.

We live at 1305 James Street.

Thank you very much.

Please give us a description of what you're looking to do.

Um we're looking to uh paint our house.

So um any repair work, you know, is it just painting kind or can you give us a little primarily painting kind?

There are gonna be some patching uh of like obvious laws done.

Um so power washing, cleaning, repairing any damage areas, wood for wood.

Yes, we're not introducing any new materials onto the historic property.

Okay.

And as I understand it, the the trim and the door are all staying in the same color.

It's the house body paint color that's changing.

Is that correct?

Yeah, to go to this green.

Yeah, okay.

Well, we were gonna paint it.

It is currently painted, the stucco part.

So we were just gonna paint it a similar color.

Okay.

Well, you're doing any cleaning of the brick or excuse me, of the stone exterior at all, or uh yes, they're gonna power wash like the whole house, I think.

So we have spec on like low pressure power washing not to damage.

That would be probably a good idea to be like a low low pressure.

Yeah, okay.

Okay, yeah, we don't want to blow out all the mortar joints on that.

Probably not.

Okay.

Um any other board comments?

This is a great house.

Okay.

Um let's see.

Public hearing.

So uh open it to see if there's anybody here to uh speak in favor of this proposal.

Okay.

Let the record show there's no one here to speak in favor.

Are there anyone here to speak against this proposal?

Again, let the record show that there's no one here to speak against.

Okay.

Uh so public hearing closed.

Uh any discussion on the board side to uh any other additional comments, questions, concerns?

Uh do I have a motion to approve?

Motion to approve.

Second second.

Second.

Any changes, modifications?

All in favor of the motion to approve as submitted?

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

All right.

Beautiful house, get it done.

It looks great.

Can't wait to see it done.

Thank you.

Have a great day.

All right.

All right.

Oh, that's it's my turn.

Right.

Um, so the next application um is uh CA-25-23.

It's a certificate of appropriateness for 929 Comstock Av.

Again, another exterior painting project, uh uh paint new paint scheme.

Uh the uh the property is located located in the Berkeley Park Preservation District.

Good morning, I'm Johanna Keller.

I live at 929 Comstock.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Can you give us a description of your project?

Yes, we're repainting the house where it's currently tan, it will turn gray.

Where uh the doors and some little trim as blue will turn um black?

Black.

And where it's currently cream, it will turn white as the color chips that we gave you.

Yeah.

Yeah, we have those in our packet.

Okay.

Uh public hearing correct?

Yes.

Yep.

Okay.

Uh anyone here to speak in favor of the proposal.

Saying none.

Anyone here to speak against the proposal?

None as well.

Okay.

Uh board.

Uh let's see.

So let's close the public comment for uh this project.

Board, any comments or questions to proceed with clarifications?

Okay.

Do we have a motion on the table to approve?

Motion to approve.

Second.

Any comments, questions, or modifications on that motion?

Hearing none, all in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Motion passes.

Thank you.

Have a great time.

Thanks for your service on the council.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

Beautiful house.

Thank you.

All right.

And it's my turn again.

All right.

Kick it back to you, Kate.

Um.

Uh so this is uh CA-25-24.

A certificate of appropriateness for 264 Bradle Road.

Um, this is a front stoop and steps rebuild.

Um at 264 Braddle Road, and it's in the Sedwick Highland James Preservation District.

Good morning.

I'm uh John Sigerwalt from 264 Braddle Road.

And uh the front steps, the landing, it's been repaired uh several times over the years, so I think at this point it just makes sense to rebuild them.

And while I'm doing that, I just kind of want to restore the original shape of the stairs with with the um uh stair set into the landing.

Um and then I'll just use brick as as close uh closely matched to the uh exterior of the house as possible.

Um I'm hoping maybe there there might be some remnants of the original brick under there, and I'll kind of work with that and the um uh pattern of that brick as well.

Okay.

Any clarifications from the board?

John, is this a ward?

Uh Huber.

Yep.

Fabulous.

Do you want to go to the blueprints to the bigger?

Yeah, so there's the original blueprints that were submitted with the application.

That's from the uh OHA, so thank you, Bob.

You're welcome.

Rename to please.

Okay, there you go.

So there's your patio.

So comments, questions from the board.

So we're just looking, you're looking to rebuild the footprint as it was?

Uh so you'll have the the stairs will uh no longer be full width, it'll be shortened with those little plints on the on the edges there.

And then the the brick you're hoping to find some or match as close as possible, you said?

Yeah, for the the base and then the the surface of the landing would be uh primarily limestone.

Um there is a remnant of the original brick ribbon in front of the uh front door, so I plan to keep that so that'll be maintained.

Okay.

Any other clarifications from the board?

Okay, so anybody here from in the audience here to speak in favor of the proposal.

No?

Anyone here to speak against the proposal?

Okay.

No, so we'll close the public comment.

Board, let's any discussion items on this that we have before moving forward dimensionally, we're gonna maintain the that three foot six depth, I think is what's on there.

Which is pretty much um what it is the current stairs are now.

Right, okay.

And we don't need to introduce any handrails.

We're I'm sorry.

Do we need to introduce hand rails?

I don't believe so.

Yeah.

We're less than 18 inches.

30.

30?

Yeah.

It's 30 for him.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm just trying to understand a fuller picture if there was any any new introductions other than you know, that might sneak in if you know it's not our purview, but it's always good to understand what um all the components are that make up the required uh pot encode of today.

So yeah, so we have lines limestone tread, limestone patio.

Looks good.

Do I have a motion on the table to approve this submitted?

Motion to approve.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Hour?

Second.

Okay.

Any questions?

Clarifications?

Hearing none, all in favor?

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion passes.

Great project.

Beautiful house.

Take a walk by.

All right.

Um, so the last of the public hearings today is a sol um solar panel installation at 108 Dorset Road.

This is application C 2525.

Certificate of appropriateness, and the property is in the Berkeley Park Preservation District.

Good morning.

Good morning.

I'm David Larson.

I live at 108 Dorset Road.

Uh we're gonna we'd like to install solar panels on the roof of the house on the back, uh not visible to the street.

Uh 23 solar panels.

They're flat with the roof or flush with the roof.

Well, you're they're like on rails.

So rails, yeah.

Two or three inches above the roof, but am I correct that you just received approval from the for the tax credits for this?

Just received approval from the tax credits.

So that's set, and then just want to do the installation around November.

Right.

Uh any clarification from the board during this uh public hearing?

I and the pictures, I can't tell.

The roof red or the black roof.

Any other clarifications during this public comment period?

Is there anybody here in the audience to speak in favor of this proposal?

None?

Anyone in the audience here to speak in opposition to this proposal?

Saying hearing none, okay.

Uh move to close this public hearing.

Board, any discussion on uh change, modifications to the house in this proposal again.

This looks pretty clean.

It's all on the back side of the house.

Nothing from the street.

It's a slim uh slimline product, so it even the backyard neighbor looking up.

Shouldn't see too much of an intrusion.

We obviously you see the glass panel, but it's not elevating the uh the roof height at all.

So I'd like that component.

Um it's on a it's a rail system, so it's bolted and then lifted.

That's what I understand from the manufacturer, yeah.

Yeah, okay.

And then I I see you're avoiding me.

Was that a chimney or uh a plumbing stack or something?

Yeah, it's a plumbing vent.

Um that we have to avoid.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Beware of avalanches off the back of during the winter.

Yeah.

Looks like they have a secondary roof that can be.

Thank you.

Actually, I was just saw that so it should be alright, should catch it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um any other comments or questions from the board?

If not, like your motion.

Who's installing?

Uh it's uh I think Nicholas elect uh solar energy solutions, Nichols Energy Solutions.

Yeah, yeah.

So they're familiar with historic district requirements.

Um they'll partner with an electrician.

We've used Jim Stignata before, who's in the city.

They're they're a unit that's most of their installations are outside of Syracuse in the suburbs.

Um, but they partner with an electrician in the city for for these installations.

Any additional interface that'll be installed on the building?

Yeah, so they'll put uh they'll put a next to our electric panel in the basement, they'll put another panel, and that's just kind of the meter that you can look at the usage and the uh um electric generation.

Right.

So that cabling that comes off of the solar panel array that comes down the side of the house and then into the basement are leaving gets routed through the house through the uh they're looking at inside the attic.

So they were over at our house the other day looking at our attic access.

So it comes down through there and then they feed it through the walls down to the basement.

Okay, so it's all interior application.

From what I understand, yeah.

Okay.

Are they is this feeding back into the grid or do you have a battery?

Yeah, so feeds back into the grid.

We there's a are you familiar with the net metering policy with New York State, so we're staying on that, and um hopefully it'll be good.

All right.

Approve public comment as submitted.

As submitted.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thanks, Mr.

Chairman.

Co chair.

Uh do we have a second on that, please?

Hillary's Hillary got that.

Hillary got it in front.

All right.

All right.

Um questions or modifications to the motion.

No, hearing none.

Motion uh can we get a vote to approve.

A vote aye.

Uh against all right, motion approved.

All right, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Great project.

Beautiful house, thank you very much.

Kate, what's the next?

Okay, so next, um, we we have neither old business nor new business to any new business to attend to, but we do have a discussion.

We have um a group here from uh uh a Nelson Associates, is it?

A Nelson Associates.

That's right, yeah.

Uh uh to discuss uh pretty major project at the um Niagara Mohawk building, also the National Grid building.

Um so there's a spandrel panel replacement project that is in the works, and we have a uh we have a full-on uh presentation they're gonna provide us.

So um Amber and I did meet with them what uh last month, I think it was it last month or earlier in the summer uh to discuss the the project too and um invited them to come and give the presentation to the board.

So this yeah this is just discussion, correct?

This is just discussion, that's right.

Yeah, discussion and comment.

Great.

Thank you.

Welcome.

Hey, thank you very much.

Uh we appreciate it.

We're very excited about this project.

Uh this is a very important building we know to all of Syracuse.

It's very important to our client uh national grid.

Um introduce myself, I'm Peter Nelson, and I have Andy Morgan, who's uh the project architect, and Justine Kamer, who is project designer and and uh producer of a lot of the the work associated with this.

Um this project is driven really by a safety issue that's created by some of the panels on the building decomposing and falling off.

So that national grid is really required because of the safety issue, but they also want to do it right.

So we're working very closely with National Grid, and we want to work very closely with you to make sure that every are you know everybody's okay with the approach and and so on.

Um what we can do is get into maybe you can get into some of the details of that.

Yeah, let's my name is Andy Morgan, as you said.

So I think if Justine first shows the um south elevation, the main facade um on the photographs.

Everyone's familiar with this.

We do have some photographs of some of the panels that are uh close up.

Basically on each of the four main elevations, there's a series of different panels, some with a chevron, some rectilinear.

We've uh taken photographs digitally and um uh had drones fly the site to get the exact dimensions of the profiles, the reliefs on there.

Um and as Pete had mentioned, you could see the what we're calling this is the spandrel panels between the between the floors, if you will, the sill of the window above and the head of the window below.

Um they've been patched over the years, over the past hundred and some odd years.

Unknown people have patched them, and you could see some uh some have failed over that.

But I guess if you were sitting on the elements for a hundred years, you'd be kind of failing too.

So nothing we don't see.

Um the other thing is these panels we realize were built or installed when the building was built.

So they're toothed into the masonry.

So the situation we're we're up against is somehow take those panels out and place new panels in.

Right now we know they're they're masonry, and we'd like to replace them with uh masonry in kind.

So they'll be manufactured to match that.

The difference is they're gonna have a minimum thickness.

We're not sure what that is yet, but it's gonna be um probably minimum of the some of the the depths in there are two and a half, three inches.

That would be the relief.

The relief, yeah.

It would be in the line and the plane is where the original panels are.

And what we found, and there's two panels that were removed.

So we have the the restoration uh masons who had worked on a building, we'll call it a building before.

Um we have photographs of that, and behind it, some you see piping and and backup uh clay tile and masonry and whatnot.

So we're trying to do this all from the exterior rather than go on the inside and deteriorate and uh mar up some of the interior finishes.

And then we thought we'd try to take advantage while they're out to um uh uh waterproof the back side of that.

Our goal is to do is minimal um uh minimal interruption to the stainless steel panels that are on the side and uh left and right.

We found brick that matches this uh uh beigey tan colored brick now, so we can patch that in.

That won't be on the face of it, it'll be around the corner where we have to tooth in this masonry.

And Justine, how many panels did we say we're thinking of replacing about a hundred panels?

And a full-size panel might weigh twelve hundred pounds.

So it's an event, you know.

What are they manners right now?

What are the original?

Well, the masonry, but it we we we don't know exactly cast cast masonry.

So we're gonna do we're gonna do uh fiberglass reinforced cast.

Yeah.

This was uh this was a result of you know, back in 70s and 80s, a big trend to seal the cement, you know, for the concrete or masonry, put sealer on it.

And they turned out that it trapped in the moisture and spalls everything off.

So what we're doing is making sure that the materials we're using now don't have that same issue.

Yeah, my question was gonna be is this intrusion from the water, or this is just bad practice of sealing this product and it's yes.

Okay.

You know, I mean uh maybe 40 years ago it's one and uh sixty years ago was another.

Yeah, but you mentioned you mentioned doing uh uh waterproofing as well.

So that would be on the interior interior surface, but we also part of the panels, we have to get the right look and color.

So most of the time when you cast these panels are kind of a gray because the aggregate they use is darker.

So we're looking into uh sealants that were our breathable that we put on, and then down the road if they need to recode it, rather than just go into Pracels and getting some paint like was done in the past, there's gonna be a uh uh restoration um schedule to do that if needed.

Yeah.

Uh and the difficult thing, I don't mean to interrupt you.

The difficult thing is to try to find a way to set these in because when they're building the building, the coursing came up, they put the panels on.

So now we have to take them out, find a way to get them in there, maybe put some structural supports, definitely structural supports to hold this, and then make it so that in the future we don't have to destroy them to get out and get them out in case we need something.

So it's it's uh a bit of a challenge we have.

And we're we we like to do it on one panel each one.

We may end up with a panel and a sill so that in the future windows will probably have to be replaced.

We don't want to we don't want to tie anybody's hands with what we do today for the future to because those those are not the original windows, those are those are probably 30 years old, and who knows when new ones will need to be done, all stainless.

I'm sorry, go ahead.

You had that question.

Uh notice on all the blocks there, yes.

Are a little different.

Yes.

Yeah, I think there's four different profiles.

So you're gonna match all of them.

Oh, absolutely.

And there's uh let me interrupt you one second.

Do we have that picture?

There's one you I know you're not gonna like, it's just black brick.

So those those are fine.

It's funny.

Yeah, see on the back side.

Yeah, I guess that's how they cut cost.

We have a ton.

So we weren't so crazy enough to come in here and say, let's do black brick and yeah, yeah, yeah.

But there are so we want to let everybody know that that does exist in in on some of the panels.

So you're you're gonna just from a step standpoint.

Yep.

You're gonna eliminate, take all that out.

Yes, just remove dig down, dig all that out.

Yep.

You can have a mole that you could just put in, or are you gonna create it while you're while it's right there?

The panels, the panels will be manufactured before.

They'll be on site, the size we need.

They'll be oversized.

So imagine the opening, and when you take it out, there's a cavity on the side, cavity on the back.

So we have to find a way to get the panel heavy, get it in there, attach it, secure it, re-brick around it, caulk it, seal it, and probably the the first coat of finish will be on from the factory, and then the last coat will be on on the field.

But your estimate is to how long that's gonna take.

I look forward to walking by and watching.

Two and a half years or so.

They'll probably do and uh they'll do a facade at a time.

You know, you have to scaffold the whole place.

There'll be cranes and everything else.

It'll be an event.

It's a big major contractor.

Yeah, yeah.

And once any work with the lintels below or the sills above, all that remains as is any are any new lintels to support this or no, we think the lintels are fine.

Okay.

Yeah, the this see you see a stone sill on the one on the left.

Yeah, but everything else, the sill is part of the panel.

Okay.

We may we're thinking of having see the horizontal uh yeah, we're the hands going back and forth.

That horizontal part, we may do the panel from that point down one, and then the sill will go in because we'd like to interrupt and to um introduce a drip because we think some of that's coming down and you know, uh capillary actions bringing it back into the panel.

And that can be moved in um inspected, and then it worked well when we have to do something with uh the windows later on.

And that would be the same material.

Oh, absolutely.

The sill.

Yep.

And we picked that because we thought that would be uh an elevation and a joint that would be undetectable basically.

And we only do that because how else are we gonna get these in?

You know, otherwise you have to make the panel so loose that it just now wiggles around, but you got that you need that eight-foot caulking gun to fill it up.

We don't want to do that.

Sure.

Just yeah, let's do a couple close-ups of the panels so you see uh what they look like.

Is this the north side?

Or is this north side?

Chevron, we're calling these the chevron.

Yeah, okay.

I'm sorry, the south the south, the street faces side.

I think mainly.

Yeah, okay.

That's south, yeah.

Okay, that's the okay.

I thought this was parking lot side.

Okay.

No, parking lot is north.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

You see, some of them are pretty plain.

The horizontals.

But they all have their own uh form of deterioration.

None of them are uh exempt from that.

And they've actually had pieces falling out into the site.

That's what it was.

Yeah.

See any other ones?

Those are the three right there.

So you're looking at 100 panels in total.

There are three at this time profiles, but different sizes of each one.

Right, but a hundred in total.

Approximately a hundred, yeah.

So I'm sorry, so the three three different profiles that each have and then they may uh change by six, eight inches, you know, depending on the width, yeah.

Half of a foot or something.

And there's there's gotta be uh a system to it on how it was designed.

Yeah.

So you'd be surprised years ago when not so much in this building, but oftentimes they they'd have uh catalogs with uh some of the architectural details, and then it was up to the the workmen to kind of piece them all together, the architects would show about where it is and kind of blend them all in.

But this was a little different.

They made them and and sometimes the masonry might be off by three quarters of an inch, and they kind of made a work going up there.

Will you be documenting your work as you go um for uh documenting the work as you go?

Um, because I would think that would be valuable.

Um for coming next.

We're talking about initially um taking some of the panels out and doing a mock-up of the installation, and maybe in wood just to see how that whole thing works together, because we want to get the mason uh masonry contractor involved and know how this is all gonna be.

So it may be a little uh experimentation on the panel size and how we're gonna get that all together.

How can we make it first three?

You have to go up there and vop.

Is it up as up at the top that's for a while?

Next one over, yeah.

That one uh it sounds like they've uh have a good plan, you know.

Does this impact any of the lighting or any of the stainless steel decoration in between those?

That's uh nothing.

Not the lighting, nothing's encumbered by no just where the panel comes into the stainless steel fins, if you will, we'll have to deal with that.

But that's about it.

And you've you've got a detail for that, or you've you've got that figured out.

Well, for the most important, yeah, yeah.

It's not an eight-foot caulking joint though.

No, no, no.

Our plan is not to interrupt the metal panels.

Yeah.

Understood.

Right?

Yeah.

I I don't think there's any need.

We don't see at this time that you would do anything with the panels.

And then it'll be a cock, some sort of caulk you want to between the panel.

Yeah, okay.

I'm I'm just looking at all the variation within the facade.

There's a lot, yeah.

Right.

And so there's you know we're there's just more than just brick that we're teething, uh we're gonna tooth into.

We're we're fortunate because the brick is was a that we found the brick that we could toothed into, and and that's gonna be the key to helping us work this.

It looks like you got the original drawings as well.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Anything else we need to any other questions somebody had?

Want to make sure you're in agreement that we're moving in the right direction.

Yeah, I would say I mean everything you're presenting, everything you're saying, uh all and speaking on language.

Yeah, right.

We're all we're on the same line here of language and understanding.

So currently, just so you know, we we have some samples of of the material we're going to use.

The problem is when they make a sample, it's like 30 days, they make a sample for us, and then we're trying to get the coding set.

So when we have more of those, we'll be happy to share that with you.

Currently we're going the national grid is coming up with a display board they're putting in the lobby showing all the different things they're doing, and there'll be like a six by six sample of that on that board.

That's probably gonna get to the public before we we get to see it.

Yeah, I mean if anything like that, if you like Kate know and say uh heads up, there's a panel on display, they can take a closer look.

You know, we can visit perfectly.

They can go visit, yeah.

Yeah, it's only that thick, you know.

Right, right.

Will there be a way to maybe display one or two of the old panels somewhere?

Well, it depends on how easily they come out.

Okay, if they fall apart.

I mean, right now they're coming out in pieces.

Because they've been repair.

Yeah.

Sure.

I see you're saying like save a couple of them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It might just be cool to see the front and back, you know.

Yeah, right now it's in small pieces.

It'd have a bag full.

Lay it out on a pallet.

Yeah, right.

Oh, yeah, the jigsaw puzzle.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's true.

Yeah, yeah.

All right, comment in the in the positive here.

I mean, it sounds like you're uh taking all the correct steps and uh keeping us engaged, which we greatly appreciate.

Yeah, so I just want to hit uh Andy and I have been we're vested in this building.

We've been involved in this building directly and indirectly over the past three decades.

Yeah.

So we're very familiar with the details, and we've we've had to.

Uh we've done a lot of work.

We our firm just finished the uh the lighting project last year.

Right.

This is a challenge, but we're we're gonna make sure that it's done right.

And uh certainly we appreciate your input.

And National Grid is supporting us doing the they understand how important it is, and they you know they're insisting that we pick the right material and you know do the right things here.

So that's good to hear.

Yeah.

That's good to have that support from top.

So well, nobody's got the final price tag yet, so obviously on the doors, the entry doors that were damaged in the car accident.

We just received a sample for the public hands on it, yeah, because it's still active.

Um we're gonna pick it up this afternoon.

That's great news too.

I mean, I think that was uh um that'll be a huge win if we can get those those doors back in a looks like fashion.

Yeah.

Okay.

Any other questions from anyone?

Thank you very much.

All right, and we'll keep coordinating with Kate on all these things and yes, please.

All right, perfect.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Yes, thank you so much.

Yeah, I know, really.

Anything else on uh anything else on the agenda?

I just have one other thing.

This is uh project actually that's gonna be coming up um at the next meeting, and I was just wanted to get oh thanks.

Oh, this is true.

This is all yours.

The the the folder too.

Okay, good.

Um this is a property on the looking to redo something and where's Dorset?

Or off Berkeley?

Okay.

Um there.

It's a one-bar road.

The exiting based on just like the last one here.

Yeah, like configuration.

Oh, okay.

Um that's the inspiration, yeah.

Um, and then see material.

Well, I mean, uh the recommendations are to use natural materials.

Um, but the board has approved these types of materials for other uh some other projects.

Um within this district as well.

Within this district, um not in the front of a house.

In um that it has happened actually on on Windsor in the back.

Um back of the house.

This is in the back, right?

Yeah, it is along the back.

What was it Windsor with a retaining wall, and they lightened the driveway with the sidewalk?

Yes, that is the one.

That's the one.

So that was that material wasn't a little bit.

Actually, you're right.

That is, and I was thinking they they replaced their front walk though with brick rather than concrete.

Yeah.

We kept the concrete driveway.

Concrete driveway.

Brick sidewalk, but they did have a retaining wall.

That was spaced with so it does exist.

Um is that 105?

Well, uh one something like that.

It's on the west side, it's right.

It's on the west side of the hill.

Yeah.

It was a driveway that you had to go around and into there, they're having trouble getting into their garage.

Yeah, yeah.

It's up on the hill.

Um we have that component.

And I and I do know that we need more detail on the steps themselves.

Um because uh and actually maybe you can help in terms of I mean I'm will they need a railing?

30 inches.

So 30.

So above and uh so if it's 30 inches above grade, they will need a railing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that doesn't look 30 inches.

Yeah, they could probably 18.

So we just need more detail on the actual design of the steps.

Dimensions, something that's a little more square that represents the house.

Do they have a survey over this?

They do have a survey that but um it's not included in what I I provide anymore.

Yep.

Yeah, well, part you know, part of every submission is you submit your survey.

So I'm sorry, did I just hear you Jeff say you would like a it because I believe they would they're looking here at rounded?

Well, I'm just like the house is shown as rounded too.

So I'm just showing what's and yeah, they uh they show rounded the stairs at all.

I understand the curvilinear walkway.

I just want to make sure that I make that uh I'll make I get a clarification on the actual.

Square and true, yes.

Um it's great that they have the curvilinear walkway um, you know, per their design per their liking.

Um but just showing what's what's right as you know, what exists as correct, I think.

Yes, um, and then they can add on what their design is.

They're also putting uh uh an awning there too over the entrance in the back.

They they said that that would be a later um and they're actually talking about a future of putting in like a little uh not gazebo, what's our pergola?

Oh yeah, pergola the pergola and that are down the road.

They they were just interested in getting the step.

The steps are a little wonky and they want to get that fixed before the winter comes.

Any other comments or feedback to get back to Kate?

But they could tell us what the awning is if it's just a fabric retractable one.

That'll be next.

That'll be the but we could approve that's true.

If they want to submit that information, we could approve it, and then they don't have to come back in two years or it says copper, but I'm not sure exactly how that would be retractable, but is that copper?

Yeah, okay.

I guess that does say copper today.

So they must be building so maybe put over like a metal on metal awning.

Or uh or they build on a wooden or are they building actually structure with a typically they you know those copper, you know, where they're added.

Yeah, yeah, like an oval.

Yeah, they have kind of actually shape.

Yeah, I the I um as part of the comp the more complete application, they did have images of the of the awning as well as the pergola.

So I I can include those and then perhaps there can be a yeah, you can make her comment about those then and okay.

I would just have to have it all submitted together, even if they don't plan on doing it the cleanest, simplest way.

Yep, absolutely coming back.

Right, yeah, once that's shut in.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay, thank you very much.

I think that's all I needed.

Okay, motion to adjourn.

Oh, yeah.

All motion to adjourn.

Second, hard.

All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed.

All right, great job, everybody.

Thank you very much.

Boy, that was lickety split.