Landmarks preservation board meeting of September 18th, 2025.

Present at this meeting are Nicole Fregmito.

Kyle Gregoring.

Julia Marshall, Hilary Donho.

Robert Searing.

Martha Hartsburg Corporation Council's Office.

Amber Dellon.

And Kate Alwetter.

Thank you.

May I have a motion to accept the minutes of August 28th, 2025.

Is there a second?

Second.

Any modifications to the minutes?

All in favor of the minute of the minutes is submitted.

Any opposition?

Any abstentions?

Minutes are adopted.

The board will now conduct the public hearings on today's agenda.

First, the applicant or the applicant's representative will be invited to describe the proposed scope of work and to present any material or documentation regarding the proposal to the board.

Next, persons wishing to speak in favor of the proposal will be given the opportunity to address the board.

Then persons wishing to speak in opposition will be allowed to address the board.

Finally, the applicant or a representative will be given the opportunity to make closing comments to the board.

Following public comment, the board may vote to approve, approve with conditions, or deny the application just heard.

The board may also decide to hold its decision until the next public hearing.

If the hearing is closed, no additional information will be allowed into the record except for information that the board may request.

That information will be available for public review with board staff.

Kate, would you like to introduce the first application?

Yeah.

So this is uh CA-25-28 28.

It is an application of uh for 103 Dorset Road, a certificate of appropriateness.

Um it involves the uh some rear site work as well as new steps of the rear of the house.

Uh the property is in the Berkeley Park Preservation District.

And uh we have the applicant here this morning.

Please come up and state your name and address, please.

Good morning.

My name is Melissa Shapiro Lopo, and I live at 103 Dorset Rip.

Okay.

You want to describe what you're trying to do?

Yeah, sure, of course.

Um, as you can see from the photo, um our back step area.

Um uh it's referred to in the survey as a deck, but um it's not historically significant, nor is it in very good shape.

So we are looking to remove that wooden deck area and a patio that extends from it that is um fairly dilapidated for lack of a better um, and uh have that removed and then replaced with historically accurate appearing materials.

Um inspired by Bellevue Country Club on the west side, which is a historic building, and we really like not only the materials but the design.

What we're looking to do is not have the raised pillars, but to have the patio, as you'll see from this photo, extend from the walkway flat.

Um, and eventually, not in the first phase, but in the second phase, we would like to add a pergola over the top of it.

And then also in the second phase, we're applying to put a copper awning over the back door.

Um because we have a problem with overhang and we get ice, uh thick ice, and this past winter was particularly hard.

And then lastly, privacy gardens surrounding the um the patio and the the wall the curving walkway because um it is open on one side our yard, and um while we love our neighbors, it's it's also nice to have a little separation too.

So and and we also have um a rental behind us despite it being in the historic preservation district, and so we would like to have a little more separation from the the lovely students who live behind us.

Um did you bring samples?

Oh did not materials no, we I don't actually have any, but um no.

Can you just describe the materials you'd like to use?

Yeah, they're I'm sorry, they're I yeah, but um so I'm not actually sure what the pavers are made out of, but um they are part of Bellegard's historic series.

Um so we're looking at doing that gray color on the bottom with either uh black, like a dark gray-black color that's either the so the bottom right will be we're looking to do the patio and the walkway, and then just above that on the right hand side.

Um we were looking at either that for the border or just above that, you can see a slim paver, and it's called, yep, thank you.

Um right there, yeah, just up in the upper right-hand corner, up there, it's kind of a brown, but they make it in a the same color as the the blocks below.

Um it's called Brooklyn.

Um so either Brooklyn or Charlestone for the border.

Quite honestly, we like them both, and um it would be more of an availability issue because I think sometimes Charlestone is not necessarily readily available.

And of course, what the board approves.

Thank you.

Sure.

Is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor?

Uh any persons here to speak in opposition.

Um not, I will close the comments and open it up to the board to ask questions.

I do have a couple of questions just on the configuration of course.

Um I don't Kate provided us with this sketch just before.

There's something I'm not quite getting about the height of this because it shows it 27 inches overall, but three seven-inch risers, so there's like a six-inch bust there.

So do you have I mean, I guess maybe speaking more direct you're you're presuming to still have three risers, right?

And so there will still be a drop from the door down to the surface.

Okay, so that you're saying I just I figure one of the one of these measurements probably wasn't quite right.

So I just wanted to confirm what was going on with that.

Um just purely functional standpoint.

Um I would I would suggest you consider maybe making that landing a little bit deeper.

You do have a door that opens in, but just from a maneuvering standpoint, when you have the the screen door or the storm door, it gives you just a little bit more use.

You're not toppling off back down the stairs when when that opens.

Um I do think that adding some sort of canopy over the back door is is a great idea.

How far would you suggest?

Um I would probably try and center it on the yeah, five feet and and center it on the door, so you don't want it off-centered.

Um I'm not totally sold on the I'm not sure that the um the canopy is at least the example you've shown is necessarily appropriate in style for the the awning?

The awning.

Oh, okay, yeah.

Yeah, um I'm I'm curious.

I see that there is a porch roof on the front.

I don't know what the configuration of that is, if that's something maybe you could play off of or but that that's that's more of my interpretation, just looking at the images of the house.

Sure, yeah.

Of course.

Assuming the landscapers doing most of the work.

Um yeah, a contractor or landscaper, yeah.

Do they have a drawing of the complete work being done?

Um I I did that as you can see, I did that very unprofessional drawing.

Um it's I that's what we've been working off of.

My my personal drawing.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's I think more here than anything else.

Yeah.

Yes, apologies.

I as you can see, I'm no artist nor landscape architect.

And I just wanted to add, I would agree that making the top level of this um stairway.

Um a little bit deeper.

Um, because it will also help if you're going to trim it out with different colors, otherwise the inset is quite small.

Um I would go with the block sizing, so if it's not exactly five feet, because you really don't want cut small pieces of stone.

So if it's four foot eight or around that dimension, that would really help.

That's very helpful thank you both and in this drawing it says bluestone for the top that's not accurate is it actually the treads the treads just the top well the the actual surface of the landing the landing also yes and there's a photo in here that's different from Belgrade because Belgrade is concrete.

I'm sorry um Belgrade if this is correct um they're gonna be using the block for sort of the foundation of the with a blue stone cap if you that makes a big difference so the top is actually bluestone is as the shreds are blue stone and the treads are blue stone that's correct yep that's and then the and then the um uh the bell grade will be used for the actual patio stone that makes it even better because bluestone is a natural material um that would be appropriate um if you were using it on the front of the house uh as opposed to the Belgrade which is a concrete product okay and I would agree with my colleague in terms of the uh canopy I agree that a canopy will be nice um so that you're covered when you're standing on on the top step um I would consider a different shape than what was shown that would be more appropriate to the house would perhaps be a gable um I we don't have pictures of the front of the house so I can't speak to that it's a por it has a porch going and an open porch off the front of it with columns is the roof of the of the porch flat no it's um it's sloped in the front with the uh shingled roof okay yeah all right um I will now close the comment period if there are no other comments from people on the board okay um does someone want to make a motion to accept motion to accept a second all in favor any opposition any abstentions approved thank you very much thank you okay Kate would you like to introduce the next applicant um sure to yeah sure this is um application um CA-25-29 it is a certificate of appropriateness um for 305 Sedgwick Drive this is a partial roof replacement so it's the rear slope of the house um the the um properties in the Sedgwick Highland James Preservation District and the applicant is here thank you on the top and you can see it's thank you for bringing that uh I have to take this with me I think a very applicant with my wife on this project uh we have done the project review on uh the north and the south end of the uh this is in the rear side of the leak in the roof uh which I guess you can see there can you move over that one can you talk into the there we go okay I guess you could see that all right um the entire project if we did the whole thing would be the whole roof including the sides on the dormers the wood which is rotted or uh in bad shape and the that's the other end of the house and then the um back side also and you can see the back side which is similar to the front and the two ends um it's a big project I doubt if I know we're not gonna do uh do it all this year but I thought if we could get the approval for the whole project that the um back and the back windows will be the same that

And the that's the other end of the house.

And then the uh back side also, and you can see the back side, which is similar to the front and the two ends.

Um it's a big project.

I doubt if I know we're not gonna do uh do it all this year.

But I thought if we could get the approval for the whole project, the the um back and the back windows will be the same that was approved uh before on each end of the house to be consistent with with what we've done to date.

Um but I as I say I'd like to whatever if there are any questions, I'd like to get those addressed now so that uh if we get my contractor, unfortunately has sunshine, so he takes he takes his time getting around.

Uh but he has agreed he'll come in and at least fix the leak.

Just to clarify, the application is for the the roof at this point.

And the uh and the back side vertical um the vertical surfaces that have slate on it currently.

Well, that too, but also the um the stucco.

Oh that has to be redone uh if you want to do it.

We could do a separate uh application, although that's the same as was already approved on the uh north and south side of the house.

I no, I do I do remember um the application, but I can't remember uh specifically what the um what treatment was given for to the stucco.

So maybe we could start let's start with the roof.

Can we start with the roof?

Yes, it's and then we can discuss yeah, okay.

And I suggest that we stay with the roof for this application, and uh if the stucco, if you can research the previous approval, and then perhaps it it's the administratively approved.

Yep, that sounds good.

Yep.

All right.

Um is there anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the project in opposition?

If not, I'll open it up to the board for comments.

Questions.

So is the intention right now you're proposing just the the rear side of the roof?

Is your intention to eventually come and replace the main the front as well?

Yes, or no?

Uh it would eventually, yes.

It would eventually.

I mean we we have uh we're fed up with the cost of repair of the slate.

Okay.

I mean, we've been doing that for 20 years, and you just continually do it.

And it's expensive.

Okay, fair enough.

Um so uh one thing I was curious about, uh, and I can't quite tell from your photos.

Is there a is there like a ridge flashing on the roof?

I was curious once you replace the back side of this, what is that gonna translate in any way to the front where we're gonna see some sort of thing?

There is a okay.

But well when you replace the back side, you won't see any of the new slate on the front.

You won't have like a strip or anything.

You've got a flashing up there.

If I understand correctly, yeah, we have flashing.

Okay.

Is that lead-coated copper flashing on the top?

Uh I mean I don't know.

I have to do that.

It kind of looks like it.

I can't answer that.

I don't go up on loose anymore.

Well, I guess that would be the question to ask of your contractor how they're gonna um handle um in the installation of a new slate, which is a different material.

Is that part of the construction now?

Or will that be changed out when the front is done?

Well, he did say that um if we start with the synthetic, you gotta do the whole thing.

Uh and that probably addresses your concerns.

You can't uh you can't do them separately, it doesn't work because of the way they're applied and oh I understand that, but I mean in terms of tying in this synthetic to what's there, the existing that's that's the only concern is if they're going to rip out the ridge and replace that because they need to tie this in.

Uh yeah, I can I can determine that.

I don't know if the answer.

That's that was basically my my question about that as well.

And then even further to that.

Um you're replacing the flashings.

Do you know what material you're using for all the flashings and counter flashings?

What's the question about the flashing?

What the material would be.

So as Julius pointed out, it's um might be like a lead-coated copper or something on the ridge.

No what's yes, it would be copper because the uh all of the uh drains are copper.

Okay.

We we put those in new uh a few years ago.

Okay.

Um and then I don't know if anybody has any other questions about the slate.

I did have another question because I see a bunch of photos in here of the terracotta copings on the flat roofs.

Is it your intention to replace those as well?

Or is it just the actual membrane on the roofs?

To replace what?

Yeah, you should um there's those.

No, we uh we were just gonna we're not gonna replace those with what's there.

Okay.

It's uh impossible to find.

Uh he proposes um doing it like we've done the other flat roofs.

Okay, which is copper over the top.

Okay.

Um we've had something approved for the first time.

I don't know as well.

I don't know what's the cost that that would be.

Okay.

Yeah, no, I agree.

These are these are both difficult to uh to come by and they're they're not the most effective.

Right.

Yeah, I mean you're right.

They're not in bad condition, but they can be problematic in terms of where the the joints are mortared together and everything.

Um I would be curious to see what the the actual if you have images of what else you've done on the house.

I again I think as far as this project.

What the other covers uh the dashing is on the other roofs, yeah.

Yeah.

This is not part of the the project though.

No, I thought the right.

Well it says the rubber.

This is not right.

Oh, this isn't part?

I thought did I not read that quickly?

This is what roof of the garage, which is already uh this is a membrane.

Well, this actually replaced any failing rubber roofing.

So I maybe I just misinterpreted that for that's a rubber roof.

I wasn't sure what that may just be my if you want to confine this to the roof.

Vertical looks like it's rubber too.

You wouldn't include that there.

But the vertical looks like it is, but the top part of the case.

Something else.

In any case, I the only comment I want to make is that um Kate, you spoke with Shippo.

Um and I I did about the materials um because uh this would this would be the first synthetic slate roof that the the board I believe has heard, at least during my my time on the board uh with the board, staff to the board.

Um and I think they um the Shippo, so I was very curious to find out what uh what Shippo's um viewpoint was on the synthetic materials um for slate, um, and in particular how they relate that to, for example, the homeowner tax credit um program.

And they and basically as I wrote in the staff report that they are accepting synthetic materials as long as aesthetically they are um well, first of all, you need to show demonstrate that the that the original slate is beyond repair.

Um and after that um it's uh really the appearance of the of the materials.

So this is this not this specific product have they approved, but but two others that are very close to this um that they have.

So it's color and um sort of profile and uh uh just yeah, texture.

Thanks, texture.

Thank you.

Okay, so just that's so I understand.

Now we're gonna do the roof and Kay's gonna research the uh stucco and trim, and then if we did this part, we would come back.

Or or or we'd also come back uh it's a question with the uh stucco and the trim.

Okay, yeah.

So we'll uh this application then is just for the roof.

For the roof itself on the house.

Yeah.

Okay.

Is there anyone here to speak in?

I think you did that.

Oh, I didn't.

Yeah, did that.

I can speak in favor of it.

Thank you.

Sure.

How much of the roof have you think in your estimation that you've repaired in twenty five years?

No, what percent you think?

Um I mean it's difficult because when they repair it, they push in the new ones, and you really can't tell because it is like that's all uh no do and so forth.

I mean I I just be guessing.

And this is an original piece, correct?

Yeah.

Not something that's been replaced over the years.

It's quite thin.

Um for slate, so I can understand why it's breaking easily and brittle.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'd like to close the comment period and ask for a motion.

Motion to close.

What's a motion?

Motion in regard to the project.

So if you would like to make a motion to accept um as presented, or with changes.

Anyone second?

Second.

All in favor?

Nope.

Pardon?

Discussion.

Oh, discussion.

Any discussion?

I think we have.

Okay.

All in favor.

Aye.

Aye.

Any opposition?

Any abstentions?

Passes.

You're approved for the roof.

Thank you.

Yes.

No, no.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Oh, yes, that's true.

Okay.

Yeah, awesome.

So we have no old business.

We have no old business, no.

No new business, but we do have um a pre-development discussion, and this is in regard to 1400 James Street.

It is a rear edition, and now are gonna see if I can get into my email.

Okay.

Um there's a question.

No, I don't talk about a back addition.

No, it's not the texture is not bad.

Yeah.

We were told um we were we were alerted that it was gonna come in before us.

But it's very uh sale, they have the house.

Oh maybe my daughter went through.

What?

That's not an addition.

No, no, it's original to the house.

I don't know where they're talking about.

I don't know yet.

Yeah, yeah, right.

No.

Hopefully they're not gonna I don't know what where at one time it was.

Oh that's I think it was the email.

Uh no, it was an open house when it was for sale.

Uh I can't remember like the garage is super fancy.

Oh, okay, cigar guy.

Okay, all right.

Yeah.

That's my and I did provide in your uh packets some images of the rear of the property.

So um okay.

So if uh whoever would like to come up and introduce the the project uh the project owners gentlemen.

Good morning.

It's interesting to be on this side for a change with new new technology.

I'm Don Redke and I'm assisting uh the owner of Mr.

Campolino and trying to get a very very interesting project to the point where it's appropriate.

And uh Jim uh Bill Murphy will be uh uh making the presentation.

Uh but this has been going on for a while and there's been different iterations, and this project is mainly one that's built on top of an existing edition, and we're gonna be looking at this as an addition.

So we're trying to uh get what's appropriate in terms of scale in terms of material, and uh once you find out exactly what's going on, I think you'll find that this is gonna be a very interesting project.

But Bill, can't believe you don't want to introduce yourself.

And moving from the suburbs to James Street.

Very nice.

Okay.

And then your contractor.

And our architect.

I uh Bill Murphy.

So at this point I'll let Bill uh go in.

We're gonna talk about what it was and what we're thinking about doing, and we understand this is a discussion phase, so we're just trying to get a feel for uh what we think is probably gonna work.

Thank you for taking the time and allowing us to present this uh to you this morning.

Um this is a previous iteration that um has a lot of context.

Um we haven't taken our present proposal to this point.

Uh we have a sketch plan of that, which I'll share with you, and um I'm hoping to be able to open the model and and show you that as well.

Um this shows some renderings and some street elevations of a version that had a cupola and some different roof appointments.

Um this is the historic front of the home.

Um and really uh a large goal I think is to bring sort of this uh formal order and character to the back of the home.

The back of the home was added on two years ago.

Uh you can see it in the picture um there in the uh uh upper uh left.

You can kind of see this porch is out there.

Um this this version uh we've walked away from.

Um but the old picture there of the existing condition, you see this two-story glass porch just kind of slapped on there.

There's a dormer that you can see up above that.

There's an old chimney.

It just it doesn't have the formal uh character that really the rest of the home uh does.

Uh we would be looking to match all of the materials of the home uh with our new construction.

Um and uh if we go to the back to the email and get the other drawing up.

Um it's our present proposal that we're thinking of uh submitting to the board.

Um the space allows for uh which I'm sorry, which which one should we go back to?

You can actually do it on your click this email.

Okay.

Yeah, and then just scroll down.

That was the one that we were just on.

So what is what is that link?

Um a model.

Um around the model as well.

Um this may be the easiest way to look at it.

Okay.

We have a mouse.

And uh yeah, then you can poke on the store.

Yeah, and you can poke on the screen, and if you can talk it here, I'll have to.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh well, hang on one second.

Um there's a PDF that's okay.

It's just gonna be slow.

So it is also a touch screen, the screen if it's easier than the mouse.

You might no?

Is that gonna work?

So I'd love to get the PDF up before we look at it like this.

But what we've basically done is taken that large gable that's on the side of the home, and it's the same scale to bring that same gable across the whole backphone.

Um and what we're creating is uh little balcony space uh for some uh sun tanning um and we're hoping to incorporate a hot tub that um up here in this space.

Uh we're surrounded, the property's surrounded by streets on three sides.

Um it's a fenced in the R.

Um.

But you know, it's it's very on display.

By putting this uh hot tub activity on top of the air, we're hoping to gain a little more privacy.

And the panning area there would also be a little more.

Um if you wanted to see if you can resend the PDF.

And then and then um you can go back to the email and see if you can pick it up.

Yep.

So there's a new email.

It looks like it went.

Um and this will have a PDF of more of a straight on elevations, um, which may be uh a little easier uh versus the model.

So the existing dormer on the back of that roof it goes away with or it's hidden by this.

Because the width is the same, we're meeting the ridge.

Okay.

So we're we're showing we at one point considered a cupola on the front, just to get a little more um you know, uh center hyperconfile.

Well, well that was showing that one.

There we go.

Okay.

So what we've done, uh we've we've taken the um the back gable, which is the same width as the side cables, and we've let that come all the way back to the roof.

And then we've incorporated a couple of sheds um to uh essentially give a little more useful area up there.

There's actually already a shed on the house.

I know that they're not uh very popular in the area, but uh there are some shutters on this house already.

Um and we think that this uh shed dormer approach um being that it's a step back from this facade really isn't gonna be very visible for the street.

That was the primary uh what I wanted to show you about the model.

Um it really kind of tucks it in quite nicely.

Um if we go to the back facade, um we had to space the support brackets for that depth to work with the existing windows.

Um they're not perfectly symmetrical or equal going across the back facade.

But overall, as um uh uh a whole total elevation, I think they work.

I don't think that your eye immediately jumps through all those should all be contained.

Um there's a lot going on on the elevation, so uh I think that helps us.

Um we would have to extend that existing chimney that right now today kind of is sticking off in front of that door.

Um just to bring it up to the uh cost um or the 30th century.

Um and this would allow us to create a little space around some mechanical equipment.

It's very hard to maintain today, as well as uh on the other side give us room for this uh hot dub area.

Of what it looks like today.

Um it's in that first PI from a comparison.

Yeah, it's it you can see it really well from the aerial we have in our packet.

Right, and I think it's important to note that what exists there now is a flat roof.

Right.

What's there today?

Right.

Um last shot.

Um this is an earlier design of how we were uh of trying to uh but it's it's asymmetrical, and when you look at the top of this flat roof from the next street up, um, correct me for helping build up Dorky Street.

You're looking down on top of this really old flat roof with a really bad dormer, and it just this facade kind of was neglected.

The the other three were were planned appropriately.

This this one kind of is the you know, wherever everything landed, it landed.

I I think the aerial I phrase telling me the trimming is gonna look from yeah, the um this this PDF does a good job of really giving you the new yeah, so is that balcony gonna be made out of steel?

I mean, how far out does it cantilever?

Um it's not that far.

We're we're about to do that.

Yeah, but you're holding you're holding a a hot tub on that.

Uh not on this.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

That's just a little sun tanning, um, that's not a little bit more.

Okay, because that I was that's why I asked whether that was gonna be made out of steel and tie it back in, but well.

No, so the thought is that the left-hand side of this, um, as you look at the back because the left hand side would be where the hot tub is, and that's unheated space, and then the right hand side we've got an insulating condition because that's where we've got this uh large piece of mechanical equipment that does a lot of cooling in the house.

Right now, getting filters and maintaining that you're crawling through this if you can't even get a little bit of a few.

And there are no skylights over the hot tub.

Uh there's these windows that we know the shed bloomers on either side.

Um so this is that shed warmer profile, and those windows are tucked in.

Um we took the same kind of window pattern, you know.

We're just using it a little differently.

Um we're trying to, I think, you know, the house in addition look like it's been there, but use different kinds of parts in order to do that, so you can definitely tell that it's regarding the windows.

What are the existing windows in terms of frame?

There would be some final page.

Yeah, yeah, there's final.

Over the years they changed windows.

Yeah, I don't know.

But there's a mixture.

It's it's not anything uh but we're not coming back with final window.

No, I don't think we're planning to put vinyl windows in in our because we don't we won't prove we've not approved vinyl windows and unfortunately you have vinyl.

Okay.

Right, right.

But like I would imagine we'd be using something like a Marvin or a pella, uh probably an aluminum clad with window, could be a fiberglass window.

Um perhaps we would use like their uh alligate line historically appropriate grid.

I think that's what Bill has in mind in the U.S.

I'm just asking the question so we have you know a full view of it.

We've uh it's unfortunate that you have some vinyl windows.

We'll be trying to really range.

Okay, okay, that that would be a positive from our point of view, or at least my point of view.

Okay.

When you come back in front of us, I suggest bring materials, samples so that we can see it, color samples.

Um from a review here, you know, it looks like it's going in the right direction.

Okay.

Um I think this is a huge improvement over the last round.

I would I would agree.

Well, I would agree with the getting rid of the flat room.

Yes, yeah.

Um bill and we had trace paper out on the table or old school.

And hashed it all out again.

And uh that's uh elevation uh concept as a result of that were we you know up spinning our wheels more and more, we would just want to much appreciate it's appreciated on our side too, but it would be helpful.

Any questions, comments from the board?

The beautiful house isn't there thank you.

Thank you.

I g I guess we'll we'll see you again.

Yeah, good to see you, John.

Okay, um the last piece of business actually was something that we discussed briefly um uh regarding uh at the last meeting.

Um it is expanding um staff review, the ability to do an administrative approval for different for change in paint color.

And we had two paint color applications at the last uh at the last meeting, and I think everyone was in agreement that a staff could uh unless it was something that staff couldn't approve um that um uh that could be something that could be delegated to staff.

So we just uh wanted to get that on the board and on the record that um uh to add to the administrative approval the project types that can be administratively approved that uh they would include um a change in paint color.

Um should we establish parameters in terms of if it's an you know completely different color versus a color that is complementary uh in terms of shade or you know it's going a little darker, going lighter versus a complete change of color, the composition of the building.

Well, I I will I'll leave that up to to your discretion what you think.

Um I think that we did have at the last meeting there were um let's see, there were some fairly they were different changes.

It wasn't just changes in tone, but the the colors that were proposed were clearly compatible with the the district and with the house itself and I think that um the uh that staff has the ability to assess the compatibility with the with the neighborhood.

Um there have been instances um uh and I'll say it's it's useful having the uh paint still continue to come under review um because there were for example there wasn't an instance up in the in the Berkeley Park area where uh a landlord um started to paint porches in SU colors and so that was something that was clearly out of character, not only advertising, but out of character with with the neighborhood.

So I think it's um again, but that is something that is easily.

So can we say that paint colors that are are in keeping with the uh context of the of the neighborhood staff should go ahead and and review and if something is out of context that it would come to the board, absolutely this way the onus is not on you, it's really on the board to say you're gonna be able to do that.

On the board to yes, yes or no.

And so that would um uh you know basically that would be a denial from staff, and so then the applicant has the opportunity to come and present the application to the board.

Should we just take a vote or just canvas each one here that's a good thing?

Yeah, okay, color.

So that it's in the right time.

So it's actually good.

Sorry, in the ordinance that that there are certain at the board's discretion.

Yeah.

So Mira, how how should we handle that?

You need to vote on it if you're going to add to the uh board secretary or administration um responsibility add to their responsibility.

Add to their responsibility.

So someone wanna or should I make a motion that we uh add to the responsibilities of staff to uh review paint colors that are brought to your office um and if they are in keeping with the context of the the neighborhood um staff can approve or deny um beyond that bring it to the board for approval second all in favor?

Aye any opposition abstentions.

Thank you for both you and and Amber and Ember, great um all right.

That's it.

Okay.

That's okay.

I have a motion to close a motion to adjourn.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

We are adjourned.

Okay, Ross and I went through a