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Syracuse Fire Department Maintenance Garage Crisis Discussion - September 23, 2025

Public MeetingsTuesday, September 23, 2025
BodySyracuse, New York
SessionPublic Meetings
DateTuesday, September 23, 2025
StatusFILED
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3:41

Joined this morning by my colleagues, uh, Martin Ave, Rashida Cardwell, our President Helen Hudson, myself, and uh Council Manto.

3:52

Um also here is uh Chief Mons and his team here with us.

3:59

This morning we are going to talk about the condition of the fire department, our maintenance garage.

4:08

And here with us, the chief is going to lead us through as to what's going on and the need that need to be addressed with it.

4:17

All right, good morning.

4:18

Good morning, council.

4:19

Good morning, Councilman Juckin, Madame President.

4:30

Where we're at now, which is an unsafe floor with no inside space for our mechanics to work.

4:36

And our next steps we're hoping to move to is a solidify a short term when I say short term, a five-year plan at least to relocate into a different facility until we can assess and reconstruct three twelve state for a boulevard where the floor is unsafe.

4:52

So just a quick history, three twelve state for a boulevard was built in nineteen sixty-nine.

5:00

It kind of shows the history of the maintenance facility and the size of the fire trucks and how the fire trucks are bigger and they weigh almost two to three times more nowadays than they were back when this facility was built 56 years ago.

5:16

So basically we've kind of outgrown it capacity wise and and with the uh specs of our apparatus.

5:25

Um over at our maintenance division, they do a lot of our um, they do all of our fleet uh maintenance.

5:31

Um they acquire all of our apparatus, they do all the preventive uh maintenance for all of our vehicles.

5:37

We have over 113 vehicles in our fleet.

5:40

They also are in charge of um keeping um upkeep of all of our fire stations and all of our fire facilities.

5:47

So everything they do with our capital plan, most of the money in our capital plan um is uh ran through Chief Zach Smith, who's here with me today.

5:55

Uh he works with my office to make sure we have the funding to do all that, but it all kind of works out of that 312 State Fair Boulevard.

6:02

So a lot of things go on over there besides the mechanic work.

6:05

Ums, you know, everybody knows our our fire trucks, um, their specialized equipment.

6:14

They have fire pumps, aerial ladder hydraulics, water foam delivery systems, and they need to work flawlessly during an emergency.

6:21

So getting these things um fixed in a timely manner is important to make sure our spare apparatus along with our frontline apparatus isn't putting um our firefighters or our constituents at risk.

6:33

So right now we're at a position where we basically have a gun to our head.

6:37

Um where we're we're not able to fix our apparatus in a safe indoor facility.

6:42

Um just a history of what happened to the floor.

6:47

Um the structural concerns started about approximately in September of 20,000, 2024.

6:54

Um the city engineering department with CNS, they did a facilities assessment and they identified some small cracks in the maintenance garage floor.

7:03

Then on July 18th, a fire apparatus lift jack broke through that slab, uh, revealing severe structural damage.

7:09

So at that point, city engineering and CNS to clear the floor unsafe for vehicles, lifts, and any other heavy loads.

7:16

It also restricted um foot traffic in certain areas of that um floor.

7:21

Um underneath that floor, there's broken sanitary sewer and oil water separator lines that come from our bathroom and it comes from the floor when um the excess fluids um fall on the floor from the fire trucks.

7:33

So all that underneath, um, because the floor um became um broken in a in a failed state, um, those particular systems also are in in um bad repair, and we were told we couldn't use the bathrooms and we couldn't use that oil water separator on top of the floor being broken.

7:51

Um that particular, and um once I get done, I'm gonna give this overview and then Ian Brown and Michael Layman from Assessment, Ian Brown from Engineering can answer all these questions.

8:00

But the area at 312 State Fair Boulevard, it's already designated as a um DEC superfund location.

8:07

Um so when this um broken floor um occurred, we uh called the DEC.

8:12

There was a spill number just in case there was any contaminants that leaked into the soil.

8:16

So that's underway with the city engineering and CNS.

8:20

Um I spoke about our operational impacts.

8:23

Um right now we have a gun to our head basically because we can't operate inside of a maintenance indoor facility.

8:30

Um right now we're working outside.

8:32

Um the weather's been great for us, so we've been able to buy a little bit of time doing um the work the mechanics have been doing outside.

8:39

Um, but with the weather coming, the freezing temperatures and the snow, they no longer are gonna be able to do that.

8:46

So we're that's why I say we have a gun to our head because we're at a really um tight time crunch to actually find a building to get into.

8:53

Um right now, um Syracuse University is letting us use one of their garage bays up on Ainsley Drive.

9:00

It's a small garage bay that doesn't fit our whole apparatus, so it's a really an emergency situation type of situation.

9:08

So multiple times since this occurred in July, um, we've got down to no spare apparatus.

9:15

So the worry is we're gonna run out of fire trucks because we can't fix them.

9:19

Um due to this, we try to find multiple multiple sites.

9:24

We reach out to multiple places.

9:25

The only um place we were able to find a temporary spot was Syracuse University.

9:29

So that's when we decided to put out an RFQ because we know that 312 State Fair Boulevard is gonna need an assessment done, and it's gonna have to have a plan on how to reconstruct it, which we're thinking is gonna be a two to five year process.

9:42

And so we put out the RFQ on August 21st, last Friday.

9:47

Um we did get some response responses back.

9:50

The RFP committee met yesterday.

9:52

Uh we reviewed all those responses, and we're in an ongoing process of evaluating um the responses.

10:00

Um we'll probably know by next week um the top one or two candidates.

10:02

Um, but the goal from this process from the RFP was to find a place we could lease if it met all of our needs as a turnkey, walk right in and bring all of our stuff or to purchase so we could actually do capital improvement plans if that facility didn't meet our needs to just move in.

10:18

Um so our number one concern is um trying to get back into 312 State Fair Boulevard after engineering figures out what's the process to get through that and how much that's gonna cost with that cost analysis.

10:31

In the meantime, we need to have a place we can lease or purchase in a compliant building um just to get us um through this winter and through the process of engineering, figuring out how much it's gonna cost to rebuild our building over at 312 State Fair Boulevard.

10:48

Um we're also analyzing um if we can't find a place through this RFQ process, we at least need um a place to store our vehicles at.

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Summary of Proceedings

Syracuse Fire Department Maintenance Garage Crisis Discussion - September 23, 2025

The Syracuse Common Council held a meeting on September 23, 2025, to discuss the critical condition of the Fire Department's maintenance garage at 312 State Fair Boulevard. Chief Mons and his team presented an urgent need for a temporary facility due to an unsafe floor, with the goal of securing a long-term solution. Council members expressed support and committed to expediting necessary legislation.

Discussion Items

  • Presentation by Chief Mons: Chief Mons outlined the history and current state of the maintenance garage, built in 1969. He noted that fire trucks have grown 2-3 times heavier since then, and the floor is now unsafe for vehicles, lifts, and heavy loads. A lift broke through the slab on July 18, 2025, revealing severe structural damage. Underground sanitary sewer and oil-water separator lines are also broken. The site is a DEC superfund location; a spill number was reported.
  • Operational Impacts: The mechanics are currently working outside, but with winter approaching, this is unsustainable. Syracuse University has provided one garage bay for emergency use, but it cannot fit all apparatus. The department has 113 vehicles, 6 mechanics, and 6 garage bays at the original facility. The chief warned that the department has been down to no spare apparatus multiple times since July, risking frontline truck availability. The spare apparatus is valued at $15-20 million.
  • RFQ Process: An RFQ was issued on August 21, 2025, to find a temporary facility (lease or purchase) for a 5-year plan. The RFP committee met on September 22 and reviewed responses; a top candidate is expected within a week. The facility must meet specific specs: floor thickness, ceiling height, door size, etc. Deputy Mayor Sharon Owens noted that identifying the right facility may take about a month.
  • Funding Requests: Chief Mons requested emergency funding for a temporary heated storage space for spare apparatus before freezing weather, and for leasing or purchasing a suitable building. He also asked for support to rebuild 312 State Fair Boulevard into a modern facility (expand from approx. 60x60 ft to 120x60 ft) to serve the fleet for 50-65 years.
  • Council Questions: Councilor Caldwell asked about the number of sites (half a dozen responses) and the possibility of using a swing space for DPW later. Councilor Majuk asked about accidents (none directly related to the floor). Councilor Juckin asked about the timeline for legislation—Chief Mons said it will be submitted as soon as a building is identified, likely via emergency waiver. Deputy Mayor Owens confirmed a month estimate for due diligence.

Key Outcomes

  • Council members unanimously expressed support for the fire department's needs and pledged to collaborate on emergency legislation.
  • The administration will provide cost estimates for retrofitting a storage facility, rebuilding the existing garage, and any lease/purchase options.
  • The next step is evaluation of RFQ responses; if no viable option emerges, the department may seek alternative paths outside the RFQ process.
  • No formal votes were taken; the meeting concluded with a commitment to keep the council informed.

Meeting Transcript

Joined this morning by my colleagues, uh, Martin Ave, Rashida Cardwell, our President Helen Hudson, myself, and uh Council Manto. Um also here is uh Chief Mons and his team here with us. This morning we are going to talk about the condition of the fire department, our maintenance garage. And here with us, the chief is going to lead us through as to what's going on and the need that need to be addressed with it. All right, good morning. Good morning, council. Good morning, Councilman Juckin, Madame President. Where we're at now, which is an unsafe floor with no inside space for our mechanics to work. And our next steps we're hoping to move to is a solidify a short term when I say short term, a five-year plan at least to relocate into a different facility until we can assess and reconstruct three twelve state for a boulevard where the floor is unsafe. So just a quick history, three twelve state for a boulevard was built in nineteen sixty-nine. It kind of shows the history of the maintenance facility and the size of the fire trucks and how the fire trucks are bigger and they weigh almost two to three times more nowadays than they were back when this facility was built 56 years ago. So basically we've kind of outgrown it capacity wise and and with the uh specs of our apparatus. Um over at our maintenance division, they do a lot of our um, they do all of our fleet uh maintenance. Um they acquire all of our apparatus, they do all the preventive uh maintenance for all of our vehicles. We have over 113 vehicles in our fleet. They also are in charge of um keeping um upkeep of all of our fire stations and all of our fire facilities. So everything they do with our capital plan, most of the money in our capital plan um is uh ran through Chief Zach Smith, who's here with me today. Uh he works with my office to make sure we have the funding to do all that, but it all kind of works out of that 312 State Fair Boulevard. So a lot of things go on over there besides the mechanic work. Ums, you know, everybody knows our our fire trucks, um, their specialized equipment. They have fire pumps, aerial ladder hydraulics, water foam delivery systems, and they need to work flawlessly during an emergency. So getting these things um fixed in a timely manner is important to make sure our spare apparatus along with our frontline apparatus isn't putting um our firefighters or our constituents at risk. So right now we're at a position where we basically have a gun to our head. Um where we're we're not able to fix our apparatus in a safe indoor facility. Um just a history of what happened to the floor. Um the structural concerns started about approximately in September of 20,000, 2024. Um the city engineering department with CNS, they did a facilities assessment and they identified some small cracks in the maintenance garage floor. Then on July 18th, a fire apparatus lift jack broke through that slab, uh, revealing severe structural damage. So at that point, city engineering and CNS to clear the floor unsafe for vehicles, lifts, and any other heavy loads. It also restricted um foot traffic in certain areas of that um floor. Um underneath that floor, there's broken sanitary sewer and oil water separator lines that come from our bathroom and it comes from the floor when um the excess fluids um fall on the floor from the fire trucks. So all that underneath, um, because the floor um became um broken in a in a failed state, um, those particular systems also are in in um bad repair, and we were told we couldn't use the bathrooms and we couldn't use that oil water separator on top of the floor being broken. Um that particular, and um once I get done, I'm gonna give this overview and then Ian Brown and Michael Layman from Assessment, Ian Brown from Engineering can answer all these questions. But the area at 312 State Fair Boulevard, it's already designated as a um DEC superfund location. Um so when this um broken floor um occurred, we uh called the DEC. There was a spill number just in case there was any contaminants that leaked into the soil. So that's underway with the city engineering and CNS. Um I spoke about our operational impacts. Um right now we have a gun to our head basically because we can't operate inside of a maintenance indoor facility. Um right now we're working outside. Um the weather's been great for us, so we've been able to buy a little bit of time doing um the work the mechanics have been doing outside. Um, but with the weather coming, the freezing temperatures and the snow, they no longer are gonna be able to do that. So we're that's why I say we have a gun to our head because we're at a really um tight time crunch to actually find a building to get into. Um right now, um Syracuse University is letting us use one of their garage bays up on Ainsley Drive. It's a small garage bay that doesn't fit our whole apparatus, so it's a really an emergency situation type of situation. So multiple times since this occurred in July, um, we've got down to no spare apparatus. So the worry is we're gonna run out of fire trucks because we can't fix them. Um due to this, we try to find multiple multiple sites. We reach out to multiple places. The only um place we were able to find a temporary spot was Syracuse University.

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