Julie, did you bring over the uh paperwork?

Oh, okay.

Oh, she's coming.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

How are you doing, Mike?

I've been really good.

No, you know what?

Since I last saw you, I actually thought you like that listening.

Yeah, oh, it's coming.

Now if you had COVID twice.

Can you explain that to me?

Yeah, did you see the skies today with all of those controls going to?

No.

Yeah, you looked at that sometimes.

Yes, they were fired up today.

I mean, there's so many.

Whatever.

So since the last meeting the following week.

You ain't getting it from me because I uh no, I'm on the case.

I'm saying you didn't get it from me.

No, no, no.

And I you know what I'm saying?

You can't blame that one on me.

Today is October what?

October 2nd.

I mean, Mike, we got to meet next week, correct?

Next Tuesday.

I'm pretty sure.

Okay.

Desire and Olivia.

So we have one more board member that we have to get on board.

Uh for this one.

Don't forget to attend this.

It's the um yeah.

That's all on the paperwork that's a good thing.

All our meetings for our um RK.

Okay.

So everything you say.

Okay.

Okay, well that's so that's what that this is.

It does let you know that it's maybe here.

Okay.

She's gonna be going for this um, there's no secret code or anything.

She's on you.

The only time that's enough for being recorded is when we're in executive session.

I mean, don't uh what is it called now?

Oh, I'm in a meeting right now, let me call you back.

Oh, what would you say on the leaf?

The position at uh the end field.

Uh she is the outreach code.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, right.

That's what I'm so she can get an idea.

So for her to be with us on the um me?

On a me.

Oh she'll be right.

I like her.

No, I don't want to call her seeing this.

Yeah, you you would your tablets a little different on this clock, that's why.

I have her so that's just aurie.

I am your Michael.

Yeah, right.

They're at uh their rowing boats.

They have uh faces painted on them, they're right here, mate.

Yeah, I know.

Dragon boat.

I just found out yesterday.

And then they became a little bit more.

They had a regatta from the from the INO.

Oh, no, no, this was a separate thing.

They have to have a regatta old.

Yeah.

We can call that.

Right.

Yes.

How are you?

Cool.

Michael, okay, Michael.

I know made a microphone.

Okay, so you're never easy to cut.

Okay.

So you know all everybody is not in here.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, I'm just telling you, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just want to make sure you know.

It is.

She should have already got it.

Oh, is already in the uh photos?

Yeah, okay.

That's all good.

Thank you so much.

I'm getting my folder back right now.

I took everything out of it so you can have it so that I don't walk out with it.

That's all.

I'm just making sure I don't walk out with it.

Um there's some forget the very 14 is uh you want me to mark on this or no?

Okay.

Yeah, S P D.

Sound.

Okay.

Now how do you say the mind?

It's very hot for people to pronounce.

130 and a 14.

And a second floor, right?

Um fourth floor.

We're not looking at any.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Let me see.

Let me see.

Oh, this map.

Yeah, but yes, we're not having a lot of things.

Is this like a massive?

This is a master.

A message.

Have you heard of people like that is built?

Did you bring a pink?

Yeah, thank you.

You're not allowed to be messed up.

Yeah.

The way I saw this was the normal way.

Oh and then at the bottom have some.

Okay.

So you didn't bring that off.

Should I write this on here?

Yeah, you can write on there, because then we'll do a test we'll make an adjustable to get back to the office.

I mean, it's September 4th.

Okay, let's get ready to start this meeting.

How do you vacation with the kids?

How are the natural things?

Oh my gosh, and Joe's supposed to be here too.

So happy to mean uh council.

Oh, Joe?

No, Joe.

Joe.

Joe.

My daughter is bringing it.

It's probably moving behind.

Okay, it is now 5 38.

That's pretty close.

Um meeting is called to order.

Um it is Thursday, October 2nd, 2025, 538.

Um, so we're gonna do the um attendance roll call.

Alice Baker?

Yep.

Uh Linda.

Absolutely Ada?

Here Don Johnson.

As everybody knows this time, I'm here.

He's not here.

Mike Curran?

Here.

Uh Harry?

Here.

Peggy?

Here.

Samya?

Here.

Octavia?

Here.

Desire?

President.

Okay.

So we have a quorum uh in place.

So the first uh piece of the business is the uh approval of the um September minutes.

Have everyone had an opportunity to review the September minutes?

Nope.

Okay.

So if everyone has had an opportunity to review the minutes except for Elise.

If we can get a vote on that, uh to accept the September amendment, minutes.

Um I make a motion to accept this September minutes.

We have a motion on the floor.

We need a second.

That's been second, moved, and second.

Any discussion?

Motion carries.

Uh September amendment minutes are adopted.

Okay.

Uh I have nothing to uh discuss with the um the chairman may report this this time.

Um under the action item, there are a couple things that we need to discuss.

Uh we have two new board members uh that have joined the board.

Uh we have Octavia and we have Desire.

Uh I want to thank you guys for stepping up to your civic duties and becoming part of the citizen review board.

And I think they're gonna be an excellent asset to the organization.

Yes.

Okay.

And then we can do the uh personnel.

Um and then we have uh I just want to clarify because I'm looking at the Citizen Review Board listing for the two new members that are on it.

And I want to make sure which spelling of um Miss Gernhart's name is correct because on the sheet and our minutes it says Octava, and the last name is spelled different.

But in this listing, it's Octavia, Christina, and then it's Gernhart, G-E-R-N-H-A-R-D-T.

Is that correct?

Okay, yeah, the listing on the um agenda is incorrect then both the first and the last name.

Yes.

I I take full responsibility.

Okay.

All right, I get that.

I just didn't want anyone to leave here not knowing which is the correct okay.

Thank you.

And I did get desire name correct.

Your last name spelling is correct.

Yeah.

Okay, great.

All right.

Okay.

So next item on the agenda is the new CRB staff.

Um I'm gonna let that be let that uh the administrator handle that that portion as she gives her uh administrative report.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Um we are growing our team, and we are thrilled to welcome Adonia Wade as our new community engagement specialists.

Um stand up for me, please.

Hello, hi to how you doing.

So uh if you guys see her out at an event because she's already hit the ground running, please make sure you stop by and you say hello to her.

Um thank you.

Okay.

Um, Adonia and Don have already represented the CRB at the Westcott Culture Fest.

Um, another event was scheduled, but it had gotten canceled with the Syracuse City School District.

Unfortunately, it was canceled.

Adonia was ready to go, but that didn't happen.

So hopefully we will get connected with them again.

We are actively building new connections within the local schools to ensure that we are vis we are a visible resource for the families.

Um I believe that having a presence in the school will help our children avoid some of the issues that we are having with police in the community, and it would also bridge that um, it would also bridge that gap and help the officers to connect to show our children that all officers are there to help to provide and to provide safety and also protection for them.

Um, our upcoming fun events that are getting ready to take place.

Um we are getting ready for some Halloween fun.

Adonia is planning a Halloween event where we can interact with the community and share information about what the CRB does.

So I ask that you would stay tuned for that.

Um information will be coming.

I'm sure it will be on the website to give the date.

We're looking actually at Halloween.

Um, if we can find a place to do so to uh host the event.

If not, we will let you know what the date would be, but hopefully, people will come out and support her as she is starting.

Um we are also in the process of hiring a new data analyst and an investigator.

The first rounds of interviews for the data analyst is nearly completed with four candidates interviewed, and we have two more that are scheduled.

We also have started the process for an investigator, and we have some good candidates.

We will be interviewing next week, and hopefully before the first of the year, we shall be fully staffed at the Citizens Review Board.

Uh casework and operation.

The CRB has been diligently managing its caseload.

A significant focus this month has been on current cases, especially those with approaching expiration dates.

Um, in total, we have done 11 cases in the month of September, with six of those cases moving forward to the next stage.

Um, to improve how we communicate with you and the community.

Umia and Don and myself will be attending uh training for open city, which is the platform that we use to put our media outlet out there for the CRB.

Um soon we will be updating all of our media outlets to provide you with clear current information.

This will help everyone understand the CRB's function and what we can and cannot do to help our community.

We hope this will make it easier to everyone to use our services and to help understand our role.

Our technology and budget, we are now connected to Lexapol thanks to the Syracuse Police Department.

They have given us a login, so we do not have to pay for a license.

We now have access to police policies and procedures.

Thank you.

Um Axon has been brought before the common council in which they said yes to our request, and we are awaiting for the mayor's approval.

This will be a new expense to our budget of $978.96 per year.

We were quoted for a five-year contract with the option of paying year to year.

We chose to do year to year just in case we are not comfortable with Axon and we need to find something else to use.

But we will be using Axon.

Um we have the approval for Boostnik and hostings, but we have not yet submitted APO.

They are included in the budget, and we're we already have an ordinance, however, we will use them as needed.

So we have not yet spent money for that.

Um Toshiba, which is our copier and fax machine, WB Mason, which is for our supplies for the office, and freelan investigation, which we use for um cases if it's further needed.

That is my report for the month of September.

If there's any questions, thank you, Nalita.

Uh, one of the things that I want to make sure that I point out to the board.

Now, since we have a social coordinator on board, one of the stipulations in the um bylaws is that each person out of their council is supposed to put on one event per quarter.

So um our new coordinator would be the person to contact to get something scheduled in your area for an event.

Or excuse me, or if you know an event that's going on and you want to CRB the piggyback off of that, you uh contact Adonia and she would set up the uh the process to get make sure that we're there to um reference everything.

The other thing is uh case uh if you didn't know um our uh executive secretary is here, Julie.

Some of you met her last time, and some of you didn't meet her.

So I want you to to meet our new executive secretary who is doing a an amazing job with getting paperwork flowing uh effectively through the office.

So I um old business.

If you look in your folder, I hope it's in here, you should see a description of the um secretary physician.

Uh last time we had talked about um you wanted a write up on what the responsibility for the secretary is.

So I did that, and you left it.

Yes, that's it.

Okay, it should be the one that says citizen review for meeting uh primary duty.

Okay, primary duty and make that kind of a half page.

Okay.

Thank you.

So you want mine?

No, no, no.

I'm okay.

So after you read through there, uh we need to we need to get an executive uh board secretary.

Um so we need to know if someone wants to step up to the uh role of being the uh a secretary.

Okay.

The uh I I know these meetings are streamed via YouTube, right?

Yes, they are okay.

And then and the YouTube video uh is available for how long if I go up on YouTube tomorrow, will that a video be available to me to watch the entire open meeting?

Yeah, they are.

I think the last one I saw was back to 2001.

That's how far back it could go.

That's how bad far because I don't know how far they have to um um archaicos, but that's okay.

That you'd be able to go back to any of the meetings that we've had so far.

You see where I'm going with this?

Yeah, okay.

Uh so I'm why reinvent the wheel if the whole thing is is available on YouTube.

You don't have to duplicate it with someone writing or typing it out on their computer.

That's the meeting's minutes right there.

Does that make sense?

It makes all the sense in the world, but um I think uh Joe said that we have to have a hard copy.

Um of the minutes for anyone attending the um excuse me, Don.

Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.

We can't hear.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, then I think I can uh help on that.

It's all right.

Okay.

So you you're putting your name in for the secretary?

Okay.

Based on uh off of the information?

Okay.

So what we need to do is go.

We need to uh make a motion to have Desire uh pointed as the secretary to the citizen review board.

I make the motion right now.

We're all right.

Much vote.

Uh can I get a second?

Oh, okay.

We have a uh uh motion and a second on the floor.

Any discussion?

All those in favor?

Aye.

Those opposed?

Any discussion?

The ayes carry.

Uh desires now the secretary for the CRB.

Thank you very much, sir.

The C R B board.

Right, because we got in the office.

Okay.

For the CRB board.

So uh the next thing up on um one of the the old business items is setting up a meeting for the board to have a meet and greet.

Um has been discussed was either a Friday night after work or uh Saturday morning uh where the board members can get together um just to um meet outside of the board just to get to know each other.

Um if anybody has any suggestions or ideas on how we can do that, we're definitely open to that.

Um I don't know which which day would be better, Friday or Saturday.

Okay, can I get a show of hands?

Those who think Friday would be a good time to have the meeting.

Both of them for me.

Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six.

That's the majority.

So no need going on there.

Um so now we have to come up with a date.

Um what we can do, uh we can meet at the CRB office.

Um that way uh the board will get a chance to see the inside of the CRB office.

Some of you guys have been there already, and some of you have not been there, so uh that way it'll give everybody uh uh visibility of the office.

So um do a time also so we can see the best time for people.

Would be with 5 30 on a Friday work for everyone?

Or later.

Yeah, so 5 30.

5 30.

Okay, they work.

So we're gonna do a Friday at 5 30.

And at that time will the CRB provide some type of eating for the people that just came home from work and all that stuff.

Yeah, Lanita.

That we'll have to find figure it out.

Lead up to be determined.

To be determined, okay.

We'll we go.

We'll we'll just have to pass that to the councils to figure something out.

I'll figure something out.

Yeah.

Or else we'll just take it out of a paycheck.

Yeah.

So don't worry about it, guys.

If they don't, I will.

No, we'll take care of it.

Okay, so um so now we just need to set a uh a time.

Date.

A date rather.

So um we'd like to have it sometime here in October.

Um look at my calendar.

Oh, you got a calendar.

Yeah, I'm saving here back.

24th.

We're not doing it Halloween.

Halloween.

What's the available dates on that those that month?

Okay, so the available dates for October would be um the 10th.

Uh-huh.

Um the 17th.

Um I'm gone on the 24th.

Okay.

31st is Halloween.

Yeah, and 31st is Halloween.

Okay, so how about the 24th?

He's gone.

He's gone.

I'm gone.

You're gonna go 17.

Can we do 17?

I would not be here.

And I will not be here.

I'll be down in New York City.

Oh, this is a Friday.

Yeah.

Yeah, Friday.

I got a gotta go over just my list.

So no, the 10th.

17th I'll be here.

Yes.

The 17th I'll be here.

Yes, 17th.

Not for me, but it's okay.

Got it.

Okay.

We can put you in on a whatever you call those things.

We can put you in on Zoom call.

If you'll be a virtual connection.

If you want to.

I'll be finally in going Buffalo.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

17th?

So we'll we'll plan on the 17th of October at 5 30 at the CRB office.

We are greeting.

And that is where.

That is uh 300 um state street.

Park place.

Park place.

Uh fifth floor.

And this is just a meeting greeting.

So you don't have to vote that in, do you?

Do you have to vote that in?

Uh no.

Okay.

I don't think that that's that requires a vote.

Okay.

No.

Yeah.

Well, at least brought up a point.

A point.

So to keep with the rules.

Um can I get a motion to have a meet and greet on October 17th at 5 30 at the CRB office?

I'll move that.

Can I get a second?

Oh second.

It has been moved and second.

All in favor?

I any discussion?

Too late.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, next on the agenda is the committee reports.

The community outreach and public education.

Um, one of the things that we need to to do that I was thinking about this morning is that we need to put together a listing of all the members who are on each of the boards so that way we know um who's hitting it up and who's on what committee.

Um I can't remember.

Who was on the outreach and public education committee?

Probably has to bring time because we did that with a most a lot of old board members, and we've gotten a lot of new board members now, so some of those places and people are gone.

Okay.

Um would that be in the meeting uh the minutes for the the February meeting, January, February meeting?

Because that's where we discussed it.

Yes.

Uh would be in the January, February meeting.

If you look at those, you'll be able to who's left on those community committees.

And then uh after I do that, what I'll do is I'll get uh um an email out to the board on who's over who's in each committee, and then at the next board meeting meeting we will decide uh on adding new members to each of the committees.

Yeah, yeah.

So um board development and training, um government relationships, police relations.

We know who that is, don't we?

Yeah, so we have you and I and Linda are on the place.

So I know who that one is.

So and you guys have a meeting coming up next week?

Yes, October 14th at 130.

Okay.

Okay, and committee on operations and committee on hearings.

Um I'll look at those uh minutes from February, March, and I'll put together who's on those committees, so then you'll know uh who are the board um members on those.

So um so that that right there ends our portion on the agenda.

Anyone has any business that they want to bring up on the board?

Not on the list.

And I but I'm um a mayoral appointee.

This noorless.

Okay.

Again, I take responsibility for that.

We'll give it to you too.

We will trust we will definitely put that corrected.

So that's filled up.

Yeah.

We have we have one other board member that we need to bring on board.

Um and I'm working on helping the councilman uh secure that board member.

It's gonna be from the uh Westcott area.

Uh or if any of you know anyone up in that area that you think would be a good candidate to uh sit on the board, please let me know and then I'll get that over to Corey, and we'll um see if we can't get that on the uh the um the council agenda to have them sworn in as a uh a board member.

So any suggestion will be definitely welcome.

So anything else uh board members would like to discuss okay.

If not, what we're gonna do is open this up for uh public comment.

Um now um the regulation is that you have a five-minute period to uh as a citizen to give up and uh give a speech.

Um we try to keep it to that time frame.

Okay, Linda's here.

Okay.

Uh board recognized Barry.

Thank you.

Uh Barry Gwanter, I live in the Strathmore neighborhood.

Um first of all, congratulations on having a full board.

Yes, that's really, really wonderful.

Um in March, I was asked to brief the full board on the history of the CRB.

And that is available on the city's YouTube channel.

Uh it was 3-6 was the date, but if any of the new board members or board members who were not present are interested in meeting with me individually or in a small group to go over that history, um history always informs the present.

I'm available.

Don knows how to reach me.

Um second thing.

Um I missed the last two meetings because of personal conflicts and an illness, and I was thrilled to see that I could catch up with minutes.

So bravo and brava for getting minutes up.

It's been a while, and I appreciate it greatly.

Um the last thing is I noticed in the August minutes that you had were going to form an external advisory committee that would advise about the bylaws and the legislation.

And I noticed that there was an item on the agenda for tonight, and that that wasn't discussed.

Um, so I'd like to know more about this committee, whether you have appointed people to it, what is the purpose of the committee, and also the charge.

And I also would like to know if meetings of this advisory committee are going to be open to the public.

And I would suggest that if they're going to discuss possible recommendations for amending the legislation, that the meetings would have to be open to the public.

I would also suggest that it might be really good public relations if those meetings were open to the public.

Um with the public uh having an opportunity to observe and perhaps make public comment.

Maybe not.

Um that's up to you.

I will say that when I did that presentation in March, I brought forward and shared with every member of the board a list of possible suggestions for possible amendments to the law.

That wasn't produced by me, that was produced by a series of advocates who have been following the ups and the downs of the CRB for years, and originally proposed a legislative advisory committee, which didn't happen for a lot of reasons.

Um but that list may give you a starting place as you begin to discuss how the board would like to see the law amended.

So thank you.

Okay, thank you.

And uh just to address those issues, Barry.

Uh we had discussed that.

We are still in a planning stage on how this is gonna happen, who's gonna be involved, um, what's the legalities of the things that can and cannot be discussed.

Um we'll be getting with legal counsel on that.

And uh once we get that all ironed out, uh, we will certainly get that information out to the general public.

So we'll we'll certainly be getting in contact with you, Barry, to let you know that.

And for anyone who hasn't seen that video on March 6, uh is a very informative uh information about the CRB.

You can go on YouTube, put in CRB, um the um March 6th meeting, and you can watch the uh the presentation on the CRB on the video.

Okay.

Anyone else in the public that would like to make a uh statement is there anyone else you have to my name is Desiree Yagan, and I um provided a uh letter that was emailed to the Syracuse Common Council to the you're the chair, am I correct?

Ms.

I I can't hear you.

Are you the chair of I am the chair?

Okay.

I provided you that uh this is a September 25th email, correct?

Correct.

Okay, and it says SPD DFR program, drone first responder program, civil rights threat, evidence, August 3rd, body worn camera.

That's a Syracuse police that I obtained pursuant to FOIL, and citizen, that's Desiree Yagan, videos posted on YouTube.

This uh it says your notice of appearance at study session 92925.

Then I revised it.

I provided that to you because it's um important evidence of serious uh misconduct by police officers.

And I would like to provide this.

I got one.

I'll just give this to the administrator.

The video body worn camera was posted up at clips on my YouTube channel.

But let me get to um, and it is the basis for my complaint.

It is a basis for my complaint against um Syracuse Police Officer Um Frollo, F R O L O, Officer Um Steica, S T I C C A, and Sergeant Webb.

Okay, and it's First Amendment retaliation, um, extremely serious.

It's also Fourth Amendment Um violations, um, which is evidence on the body worn camera.

I was shocked to find out the officer actually walked up on the porch after I told her, wait there, I'll be right back.

I want to stop you right there.

Uh one of the things, if you're gonna have uh a complaint against the city police department, it needs to be in the police officers.

Against the officers, you it needs to be in writing and not brought to the board.

And then the CRB advisory um department of the CRB Citizen Review Board will then take a look at that complaint and then make a determination.

Thank you very much.

I'm sorry, thank you very much.

Um that email that I when I talked to you on the phone, I called you, you remember the phone call, and I asked that you please forward it to Nalita.

Yes.

And you did, correct?

Correct.

Okay.

Um the reason why, first of all, I just want to mention that um uh in she's new.

I know that you've been 17 years a Syracuse Police Department administration, former CSO.

I understand that.

But you know, this is all new, I understand.

But when I asked for her email, you're I'll just speak to you.

When I asked for your email, you wouldn't give me your direct email, okay?

So that's why I contacted you and asked, but the email in um it was the basis for my complaint against SPD, but I don't want to get into that right now.

I want to get to the issue about the operation itself.

Well, and if it's about the operation, that's something that the city council would have to have uh handle.

That's nothing that the CRB would have any uh input on.

So you'd have to contact the okay I misspoke.

And what I'm speaking about is first of all, I'd like to NACO.

Is that do I have the correct um name, NACO N-A-C-O-L-E?

I'm not sure.

Okay, um that's the national organization that um focuses on citizen review boards and assist them.

You're not I'm I'm missing I was just trying to go by memory.

I had my note, I didn't bring it with me.

Okay, let me get to the issue of the investigator.

I didn't hear what is the status because it wasn't clear on the mics.

The status of um an investigator, hiring one.

We're reviewing those now.

And those are all personnel matters that we can't discuss here in front of the uh the public.

I didn't hear what you said.

I said those are all personnel matters that we cannot discuss in front of the public right now.

Oh, yeah, I know the decision on it.

Um I I get that, but let me say this.

This organization, which I'm sure you're familiar with, I just can't think of the name.

Um, or if you're not, you should be.

This organization states gives a step-by-step for the um uh citizens review board in creating it and the hiring, and it did state, and I did notice on indeed one of the um job postings um sites used that it stated that um the CRB was looking for an experience former with former law enforcement experience.

That's absolutely what shouldn't have because um there's a mindset, there are certified certified um investigators, they don't have to be in law enforcement, but when I um get the name, again, you'll probably some I'm certain some of the members here are familiar with the um I thought it was N-A-C-O-L-E.

hiring and it did state and i did notice on indeed one of the um job postings um sites used that it stated that um the crb was looking for an experience former with former law enforcement experience that's absolutely what shouldn't have because um there's a mindset there are certified certified um investigators they don't have to be in law enforcement but when i um get the name again you're probably some i'm certain some of the members here are familiar with the um i thought it was n-a-c-o-l-e apparently that's wrong it is thank you n-a-c-o-l-e i'm just going by memory i have a very good memory but anyway i didn't i got up at five looking at the body worn camera so upsetting um nako n-a-c ol e so every member should look at it if you're not familiar you should get familiar and when you review the procedure and what how it should be implemented then you'll see the look the what were the um the areas where um this CRB is missing okay now um again this the um and what by the way why know when i talked on the lead a couple of that what that time um weeks and weeks and weeks ago um i asked about unfortunately i'm gonna have to cut you off your your your five minutes are up um if you can um actually put that in writing and send it over to me uh you have my email address and then uh i'll take it under advisement with the administrator and we'll go from there and then we'll get back with you on that okay but put what in writing what what you what you're complaining the complaint it's about my complaint uh no this is a this is comments my um oh the complaint is different i'm gonna pass that right now well and and and your comments uh we're you only have five minutes for your comments okay um then um okay let's look give me just please two minutes and i'll stop and just put me on the clock i just want this very very serious okay the issue this um the um oh uh citizens review board and this is not gonna be comfortable no leader but let's talk about the elephant in the room because no one has talked about this that a she is excellent i'm sure and conscientious but there is a problem that's called conflict of interest and what that goes to is 17 years with the Syracuse police department to um however good hearted and in and good intent okay uh again that's that's total personnel issues um it's it's a personnel issue right so um the the question but can this be addressed publicly 17 years with a citizen Syracuse police department it would be I have a complaint that implicates involves chief ceasel so how is the citizens review board going to review that if the imp implicates his officers and Chief Cecil himself so here's the thing is and we'll we'll end the conversation here the legal counsel has advised it that is not a conflict of interest happening there as an ex-police uh uh in working in the police department actually it has been an asset more so than a hinder uh because we're able to get a lot of things done because she knows all the ins and outs of that department so absolutely I would just say that NACO states that gives a positive and the negative but the negative outweighs it by a great deal but that's just NACO I don't know I think that they're the most that's just what everyone should look at and then make a determination.

I'm sure she's conscientious and she certainly is very experienced.

It's her relationship you can't have a relationship with your former employer administration and not have feelings about it unconscious or not it's like judges they'll stay they won't recuse but then they end up making a bad decision because they have unfortunately you're two minutes up but thank you very much so okay thank you very much.

Yep and thanks for showing up okay so any other um public comments if not uh we need to get a motion to go into executive session okay we have a motion on the floor to go into executive session it's been moved and second any discussion all in favor I so we're gonna go into this executive discussion the ex executive session to discuss our case load so and then we'll be back right after we uh finish in the executive session thanks everyone for coming Swedish fish yeah dinner you're gonna go down to the I lab I think hopefully it's over what floor is that uh that's one floor now okay

And we do have a quorum.

So need a motion to uh come out of the executive session.

Can I get a motion on the floor?

Second it.

All in favor?

Okay, back in the uh public session.

Now we need a motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn.

Do we have a second?

Meeting is adjourned.

Thanks everyone for coming.

Okay.