Thank you.

Thank you.

Counselor McJoff.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have item twelve to fourteen.

We will hold still hold item twelve.

Afternoon, Counselor.

All right.

Uh with uh two additional dash cameras.

Uh all our traffic cars have dash cameras on we got two new traffic vehicles and want to put the dash cameras on on vehicles.

So Chief, let me ask you a question.

When the dash cams come on when you make a stop or when you're moved going to stop somebody, does the cam just come on?

I'm sorry.

How does the dash cam work?

Does it work automatically come on when you turn the lights on or something?

Don't know if I can find out for you.

Okay.

Knowing what I know about these products, you could probably set up to do it any different way.

I'll find out what our policy is and which way we why don't we turn them on.

Okay.

That's what I thought when the lights get turned on.

I think so too, but I don't want to say the wrong thing.

I'll find out for sure.

I'll let you know.

Hey, Chief.

Um a little bit off the dash cam that I know we're gonna have a meeting later this week, but are you um still getting a lot of um you guys are not reviewing the actual the cameras yet?

Because they're we're not we're just uh um warning signs.

You're not reviewing the cameras that are being um sent to people fires them passing speed limit the SP zone.

You're not reviewing.

Oh, you're reviewing them now?

Yes.

Oh.

When did that start?

Uh September.

Oh, that's for but it's still in the um it's still in the um, oh, which is but you're still reviewing them.

Yes, we had a we did a press conference on that uh last week that um starting with the school start.

I think it was September fourth, right around there.

I've started doing the speed in zone and the some of the red light cameras.

Um so we are reviewing them, but as counselor said it's just a warning at this time, but we are reviewing them, yes.

And my last question on this one, was it the police department that is decided where to put some of these um red light cameras?

No.

No.

What department was it?

Do you know?

I don't know.

DPW.

DPW?

Interesting.

Okay.

Well why um what basis the DPW?

So did the police department didn't uh have anything to do with where those cameras were put up?

This is part of the vision zero program, and I I hate to speak for other departments because I wasn't part of that conversation, but I know that we didn't do it.

I'm Connor, Here you can probably answer it.

So Connor, what um on what basis did just DPW do without involving the uh they worked with uh the traffic engineers from the uh Fisher engineers who were hired by Genoptic to determine the best locations based on a variety of transportation factors, um proximity to the schools, the right locations, traffic volumes, things of that nature.

Well, when you avail yourself of the experience.

I think police were part of sort of the the final approval process, but not I I this would have been probably just before right around the time that I was transitioning into this role to determine when uh you know to to finalize those locations.

So I believe police was part of the process, but maybe not necessarily on the ground saying should it be here or here.

Yeah, I'm not to criticize particularly any, but some of the cameras where they are where they're you know where people are going to end up getting tickets are puzzling, like Fowler I get a street, which doesn't have really a back entrance to it.

Most of the kids enter the school from off of Wilbur.

And most of the kids come from the near west side crossing Fowler.

So that's the yeah, but they're usually cross up the street where they it seems like that whole part of Geta Street is sort of like sole school zone.

And then there were on Western of C Street where it's actually a street over street to the north.

Yeah, which south, right?

We're we're looking at all those locations, making sure that they're in the proper place for the right and um safety outcomes, um, and you know, making sure that uh they're they're placed appropriately.

Yeah.

What about Calvin Street?

Yep.

So um Percy Hughes, it all would be Percy Hughes to me.

Right, certainly.

We have it on Calvin Street.

Why is that?

So that's where the existing school district uh school zone uh has been for a long time, and we're looking at making sure that that's the right location.

So whether or to for that camera.

So how would you know if it's the right location?

Because to me, there's no kids coming down that way, crossing that way.

There's no houses that way.

But there are some houses across the street, there are very very few.

Very, very, very few.

If anything, it should be up Janesville or in a crossing or maybe on state or something, more of that, but on Coban Street, that's gonna be a problem, especially where it sits when it's coming down in the winter months.

That's gonna be a major problem.

So um that's something it probably needs to be looked at before we start giving people tickets because just the incline, right?

Going up or even coming down.

Winter months are coming, and that's the way we're rooting people to for traffic.

So we need to look at that.

Yeah, absolutely.

I agree with you.

Yeah, they said that we have just Connor as well.

Um, you know, when you go through uh go up Glenwood, going to a Roberts, right?

The sign is so far down by the time you reach this school, you got a couple of streets.

I don't know, was that a reasonable?

But that that's another location that we are you know confirming.

Okay.

I also um wanted to kind of recommend because I don't look be looking off to the side that um are we able to put the like the like some lines in the street, like an arrow or something with a 20 mile per hour, like some type of notification on the street itself.

That's a good suggestion.

I haven't thought of that.

Um I can check with our transportation folks to see because I'll I barely see those signs off to the side.

Um so that would be hooker on a road.

That would be nice.

Also, Connor, you know, one of the issue that I've seen is these cameras are so far into trees.

Oh, yeah, I did see you know, like some ranges hanging over.

Like you could even barely see them or even some of these signs as well.

So I don't know if that there could be a way to maybe prune some of this vegetation off them or off signs.

Yeah, or was it trying to certainly not intentional?

Every every site has a you know site-by-site context.

You know, we're trying to find the right balance between uh property owners who are saying please don't put this camera that's in the right of way uh in such a visible location, and then making sure that uh motorists have the appropriate signage that is compliant with all of the traffic regulations and things like that.

So it's it's a balance and still very much will be an ongoing uh effort to evolve the program, make sure that all of the locations, all of the signage, all of the warnings are are working as they should be.

Yeah, I think we're gonna have a committee meeting discuss this one.

Um, just because I mean we we know this is very important, like don't get us wrong, we all want to support this and we want it right, but we want to make sure that it makes sense and it's in the right neighborhoods, and that we're looking at all the safety issues in uh Metal Brook.

Why is it on Genesee and not Metal Brook?

That's another location that's currently being confirmed to say is that there or there.

So you've all you've all identified, you know, there are there are cameras all throughout the city, right?

There are dozens of locations.

Um and making sure that as we move into the warning period that those or excuse me away from the warning period and to uh fines being issued at the beginning of November, um, that everything makes sense there.

So um and that's really intentional as well, right?

You get the program up and running, you see how behavior changes, you see how traffic uh columns are adjust relative to those additional signage, additional cameras, et cetera.

Um, and then you you adjust as needed.

So all of these questions are the right questions to be asking right now.

And I just want to confirm and encourage you all to keep asking those questions because uh between DPW, between engineering, between the engineers, all of these issues are very actively being discussed right now.

Well, it's just a fine day.

I would just surround it, please.

So we'd have a you know SPD look at the priority.

Absolutely.

Uh the uh the 60-day warning period will end on November 2nd.

November then, you mentioned a lot of conversations, it's actively being discussed.

These people, these people, these people, these people, these people, none of which are sitting at the table right here.

And I just request before we get our final final locations that you have conversation with each of the district counselors about the sites within their district.

Um, we are on the ground talking with folks every day.

And I think that you know, counselor, it's it's a very good point.

We really want to encourage this dialogue and keep um speaking with you about these these locations.

Um there are locations throughout the city.

We're we're limited by the number of locations that we can place, right?

And within each school zone, there are likely multiple candidates for where cameras can go, right?

And there's you know, we we would like to probably have more cameras down the road.

We're limited by New York State and the number of cameras that we can place, and so trying to find the balance of does it go on this street or this street, this location, this location.

Um there's there's no one perfect uh location, and um there are far more need than we're allowed to to place.

So it's never going to be perfect, it's always gonna be uh request to which you speak with the folks at the table here before you know I didn't know.

We're discussing right now, counselor.

No, this is how long we're gonna do that.

No, I will say this for we and I started it, so I apologize, but I'm gonna say this, counselor.

I would put a hold on any fine in November until there's a comprehensive study on the side streets.

Is it going on both sides and make sure that people are knowledgeable?

We want people to be safety, but we also don't want to slap them in the face because they weren't recognized as people in this community that don't know that there might be a school or that.

So we don't want to penalize them because of something we didn't do.

So we want to make sure it's done right and then move forward before we start finding people.

We learned that in trash cans, and I'm not willing to go try that again.

So I don't want to insert myself, so maybe you guys mentioned that you were gonna have a committee meeting.

So maybe uh y'all can have a conversation.

We'll be gathered.

Heads up, yeah.

Gather so uh back to the program.

Let's go back to the code.

All right, thank you very much, everyone.

Back to the program.

Uh item 14 Q.

I was gonna uh Mike Lehman, if we're done with 13, I'm gonna stop aside.

Okay, we're gonna check into it first, remember?

I'm gonna find out if we approve this already.

Good afternoon, Councillors Michael Laban, deputy commissioner in assessments.

Yes.

Uh item 14 is just uh an authorization to spend the money that was bonded for for this project for the vendor SOE.

This is for the furniture fixtures and equipment for police and fire at 1153 West Fayette Street.

So so earlier on, I think uh about a month or two ago, we approved uh the purchase.

So this is separate.

This is actually the spending now.

That's my understanding.

Yes.

I was asked to provide uh an additional letter.

Um to spend the money to pay the vendor we chose after the RFP process.

Okay, um, he pretty much answered uh sorry, say and he.

Sorry about that.

But yeah, um RFP was request by the council.

And so it went out, and being that that was request, they had to come back for the authorization.

Okay, okay.

Okay, okay.

So that's clear.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councillor.

We had two millions.

And last time we had authorized the last of it, and this one came back, and I'm like, where they got another.

Like yeah, okay.

And after we choose the vendor for the second RFP, we'll come back for a very similar request.

Okay, that works.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

All right, thank you, Mike.

That'll do it for me, madam president.

And who is taking counselor gathers?

I'll take it.

All right.

You want to take it on?

Yeah, thank you.

Okay.

Councillor Gather has 15, 16, and 17.

We're going to continue to hold 15 and 16.

And who's here for 17?

Whoops.

Nearly a committee meeting on 15 and 16.

We're going to hold 60.

I'll come up and speak for 17 on a patch shell for the DPW garage.

We're seeking to amend the ordinance from 25,000 to 125,000 for uh repairs and parts for Cummins engines.

Any questions on that one?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you, President Hudson.

Thank you.

Counselor Hogan.

Uh thank you, President Hudson.

I have items 18 and uh 19.

Uh 18.

I know everybody's looking forward to this own meeting tomorrow.

Uh and then uh hold that until the results of that meeting.

Um I will hold.

And should I keep on going, Counselor?

Or president.

Uh and I will hold 19 through 24 for a committee meeting.

That's all regards through his developmental center and the latest iteration of that financing deal that we're having for that.

Yes.

All righty.

Counselor Williams.

Thank you, Madam President.

Um we are going to hold 25.

Um I'm assuming we'll probably hold 26 to have it be part of the larger conversation up above.

Uh Commissioner, unless you have different no.

Okay.

And moving on to 27.

Meeting.

Hello again, counselors.

Michael Lehman, Deputy Commissioner with assessment.

Uh item 27.

We are requesting to hire an appraiser to value the property at 200-232 Park Avenue.

This is the school district maintenance facility.

Uh we had an RFP out for its disposition and redevelopment.

And prior to the RFP committee convening to uh select uh one of the respondents for for further discussion, we would like to have an appraisal of the property to be part of that information to be discussed.

Is there a plan for this?

Excuse me?

Is there a plan?

A plan?

Yeah.

Uh well, respondents did uh propose ideas, thoughts for what uh that building could be used for instead of its current uh maintenance facility purpose.

That'll be part of the discussion.

Right, Michael?

A little bit of that of the plan is discussed in the letter, right?

Um I think 27.

Yeah.

And the school district is okay with the Yes, they've been involved with the process.

It's an ancient building.

Yeah.

Yeah, a little bit of discussing another if you want to read it.

Yeah.

Any other questions?

Uh I also have item 28.

Uh, this we is the Department of Assessment requesting an appraiser for property at 636, 638 Midland Avenue.

Uh this is a privately owned property, um, which is uh part of a block at the corner of uh MLK and Midland.

Uh it's the only parcel that the city doesn't own.

Um the owner of the property reached out to us asking if the city would be interested in acquiring it.

Uh I've had discussions with uh finance and uh parks, uh several other departments, um, and also mentioned it to the mayor's office.

And um so far, everyone's on board with acquiring this property uh for a cohesion on the block.

Uh make it easier for parks to to mow.

There's already a contract for the other parcels there.

So we'd like to appraise the property to determine its value from a third party.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

And Commissioner O.J.

We just had two items related to appraisals.

Um the finance committee, I believe, delivered a letter to your office today requesting the appraisal of the properties of 800 802 Wilbur.

Um just want to confirm receipt.

Uh yeah, there's a letter hand delivered.

Hi, Matt OJ, Commissioner of Assessment.

There was a letter hand delivered to my office this morning.

Um I guess formally requesting that my office solicit and engage an appraiser to get a valuation of our two city-owned parcels at the former SDC site.

So we um I mean I did mention this informally to to um Councillor Hogan prior to I don't think it's um inappropriate to say now if we are to expedite um a request for bids by say close of business on Columbus Day, we could entertain getting a waiver item on Tuesday to commission an appraisal.

Don't want to put you on the spot.

Just uh spitballing here because this is a for four years running priority with an intended financial closing in December that we really don't want to let languish.

And what's the turnaround on the appraisal if we you know have legislation in place?

When I was here about two months ago requesting a Johnson Center appraisal, um I I believe that was a two-month turnaround from the firm we ultimately selected.

Um so I don't think it's unreasonable for for simply raw land, uh albeit large and uh large and hilly pair of parcels to expect two weeks, fingers crossed.

Yes, if anybody's listening out there, I'm afraid I just put myself into a rotten negotiating position.

You're talking away from the next agenda, right?

No, oh no, I'm sorry, for a vote on the 14th, if possible.

Um I don't see uh too late.

Yes, yeah.

I'll see how you can well I I guess then my answer would be ASAP.

If you what's the day, Wednesday?

How soon would we need a draft ordinance laid on the counselor's desks?

I guess uh we need it, we need it really before Friday.

Oof Michael is happy to solicit bids this afternoon with a 48-hour turnaround.

I don't know how many firms are gonna jump on that.

Um but we will we will do so.

Yeah, we need to yeah, we need it definitely before Friday.

As Monday's not a business day, of course.

Sure.

Um stay tuned.

Stay tuned.

Uh yep, please keep us updated.

Yes, we'll do.

Thank you.

And item 29.

I'm not sure.

Oh, that's us?

That's us.

Oh, yeah, that's that's me.

That's just that's I'm sorry.

I was looking at you.

A stenographer.

Um you all know that occasionally we use the docus words, and this is just for that.

Perfect.

Well, thank you.

Thank you, Madam President.

Thank you.

Councillor Jones Rouser.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have items 30 through 57.

Um item 30.

Jake Dishown.

Good afternoon, Council.

Jake Dish, Deputy Commissioner of Code Enforcement and Zoning Administration.

Uh item number 30 is uh seeking permission to amend our local code enforcement law, which allows us to uh administer and enforce uh New York state rules and laws at the local level.

Um for any of you that aren't aware or don't know, New York State has adopted a new version of the uniform code.

So um there's a transition period now through the end of the year and in uh into the new year in 2026, we'll be on a 2025 code book through New York State.

So all the codes are being updated from 2020 uniform code to the 2025.

Uh with that, we have to make updates to our local law to kind of match those those changes.

So um it's just updating our local law to include things like minimum standards for construction documents received by electronic media, uh, you know, certain requirements for construction documentation, it covers remote inspections, uh a list of items that we're working with the law department on um just to make sure that our local law is in compliance with what New York State says we should be doing.

Okay, so I'll probably hold this one for a um committee meeting.

Yeah, I was just gonna quickly ask.

I'm not sure if it's you or or Joe.

If state law supersedes local law, why do we have to change our local law to match the state law?

Code enforcement statewide how code enforcement is administered is it all goes through local law.

So they tell the cities, the towns and villages like these are the minimum standards through Title 19 New York Code rule and regulation.

You have to adopt these at the local level to enforce them at your in your local municipality.

That's how every jurisdiction does it statewide.

All right, committee.

Yeah, yeah.

Jay, is any of if it is any of the amendments gonna be um from us and not the state or all the amendments?

No, the so the this particular this particular item is all of them required by state.

Yeah.

Everything that you put not.

Nothing is uh more restrictive.

Uh this is all what the state is saying we have to be doing and just aligning with what's in uh their laws and minimum requirements.

Oh meeting, meeting.

We have to hold it anyway, because it's a local law, but it doesn't have to be introduced.

Yeah, so we can we can have a meeting or whatever you want to do.

Okay.

Okay, thanks.

Thank you.

Right.

So 31 through 57 is uh MBD and Kaelin is here today.

Matt Camal.

Hi, Kaylin.

Um we did go through all of these on Monday.

We were able to sit down and discuss them all.

And um probably three of them are maybe uh owner occup owner um owned lots, and uh majority of them are city owned.

So they were um they're gonna the ones with um the owners, they're gonna do some more uh yeah, hi Kaylin Hubbard, neighborhood planner, MBD.

Um items 31 through 37 request to transfer to the Greater Syracuse Land Bank.

We're withdrawing 39 and 40 for that reason.

Um coordination with neighbors.

I think uh Councillor Jones Rouser, you said that you had some contacts there, so you know.

Oh, I thought it was withdrawn already.

It was one more.

It's one more canon.

Can you get drawn withdrawn?

She email does since I'm fine.

Um Ryan looking in up right now.

So email to you.

Come on Jordan, director of housing and neighborhood planning.

Oh, yeah.

Item 381 can't sound.

Yeah, so 38.

So drawing that one as well.

Withdrawing that one as well.

Yeah, 38, 39, and 40.

Okay.

Can you explain to me?

Um it's Kaelin.

Caitlin with no take.

Right, I was wanting to say, right?

Thank you.

Um can you explain to me a little bit more?

So when it says owner and address, where is the city of Syracuse's owner city hall?

Those are the city residents so yeah, uh the most recent additions.

So these are all the holds from last week, and then all of the recent additions are all city-owned properties.

So the address would be listed as city hall or um with that city's addressment or why are we transitioning?

Why are we if there's city owned properties?

Um do we know why we're just transitioning them towards for larger development?

Yeah, this is to for creating uh larger sites for in-fill development with the land bank um requests from from the land bank's office to just complete site assembly at those locations.

Like they land bank might already own one or two lots adjacent to these, and then they need that final lot to have a larger development plan for whoever.

And it also takes off our maintenance obligations.

Yeah, it gets them back on the tax rolls as well.

We well, I would love to know more about that and you know about what is gonna be if the city's gonna give up land to land bank, then we should know what's gonna be being built there.

So um, and what's the idea if we're gonna give it away?

So these are usually the requests of the city, correct, Kaylin?

No, it's from Caitlin requested.

Yeah, from Caitlin.

Yeah, so I would like to know what's going on there.

I mean the request, Jim's from the comes from the city to the land bank regarding uh the allocation of properties to have development.

I hear you.

And I understand all that, but I still want to know what's going on.

And the community should know what's going on.

Uh Camone Jordan, housing and neighborhood planning.

So just to add a lot of these lots are about 40 or 50 feet by 100 feet, so they're of no value to the city.

They're currently on our mowing contract as Councilor Hogan mentioned.

Um, by selling them or by giving them or transferring them to the land bank, that creates new housing and field development sites.

So if you would like a map that kind of shows how the land is distributed, that's something we can definitely share.

But I think that my my point behind this is I think that is it's okay that we're doing it, but I also believe that the community should know if we're gonna give the land bank land to develop, then what's gonna be developed in the land that we're giving, like it's they should they should know, right?

That we're giving the land to them, right?

To develop something.

So I think it would be nice that we share that information out too as well, maybe get them back here to say these are why we're taking these parcels because we have an idea to build.

I just think they should know about it.

Sure, yep, we can create a map for you.

Yeah, that's it.

All right, any other questions?

Okay, all right.

Yeah, all righty, councillor Monto.

Thank you, President Elton.

I have 58 and 59.

Who's here for 58?

Um hi Mary.

Good afternoon, Mary Robison, city engineer.

Um, this is a local law to grant national grid uh an easement to install, operate, and maintain an underground power line and pad mount transformer for a new parking lot um up at the airport by air cargo way air cargo road, sorry.

Any questions?

Thanks, Mary.

Thank you.

I just want to bring to your attention that the local law was placed on your all desk, so it's eligible for vote Monday.