I am gonna call that ready with a question mark.

Councillor Cogwell.

Thank you, Madam President.

Commissioners here.

I have item nine through sixteen.

Commissioner Bird, let's go.

Good afternoon, Saisha Bird, Commissioner of Parks.

Um number nine is um agreement with the extra space management.

Um the owner of the property next to our property.

We're putting up a new fence, so we need access to their property.

Um and if you didn't know our property is called Oak White Oaks Park.

So if you ever heard hear that reference, that's 412 Spencer where our building sits.

Um number 10 is to authorize the city of Syracuse to adapt a negative declaration for the SEQR Act.

It's related to potential environmental impacts of the tick and dare management program.

Is is there um strategically where are we with with what side of town are we focused on or something we can disclose?

No, we we had a committee meeting and the executive in every quadrant, but the northeast the southeast is the most.

Okay.

Um both eleven and twelve also pair with the dare management program.

So eleven is an agreement with the United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, Wildlife Service, um, to conduct wildlife management um in the dairy and tick program from December twenty-five to April twenty-sixth, two thousand twenty-six, not to exceed a hundred thousand dollars.

Okay.

Next number twelve agreement with Marshmallow Ranch to provide meat processing services for all the deer um to be processed, the meat.

Um and so the meat is donated to homeless shelters at no cost to the city.

Number thirteen is a agreement with QPK design.

It's an amendment to the ordinance.

Um to extend our contract, um, or our agreement with them so that we can close out Hanover um fountain.

The contract ended, we need them to complete the job.

So this is it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Moving forward with our other fountains, um, Commissioner.

Do we have like a plan?

You know, they gotta have maintenance.

There's a plan.

Yes.

There's a plan.

I know as you as we all know, the one um in Franklin Square has been redone and um it's so it's new.

We're looking at all of them, as is the stairs and the bridges.

Yep.

Thank you for by the way, if we all receive the um the list and the numbers of all the stairs and the parks and where they're ranked.

And there's some that are really high in other parts, right?

So um, I appreciate that.

You're welcome.

Number fourteen is a bond ordinance authorizing the insurance and sell of the bond to defel the cost of a new ice chiller replacement project at Mechum.

Um, not to exceed 425,000.

Uh the chiller for the ice rink is is gonna go any day.

But how long has did when did they put the a chiller in?

Because it hasn't been that long, has it?

I'm not sure of the life cycle how I can get that information for you.

Um I believe it's been a while.

It's been since I've been here, but okay.

Yeah, we can find out.

I'll I'll find out for you and send it right over through email.

Um 15 is the authorization for that um purchase.

Um for the Meacham ice rink chiller replacement, not to exceed 425,000.

And then 16 is authorization payment to George Pro Sound Company to provide sound and lighting services for the annual tree lighting ceremony scheduled this year for December 28th, 2025 at Clint.

Not to exceed 14, well, 1,425 dollars.

Just a quick comment on that.

Um that sounds I know trying to get the crowd together and get everybody on one crowd.

It's just a little hard to hear on the other side.

So I don't know what we're doing.

That was some of the feedback we received when we did a survey, and we'll make sure that there's speakers spread out so that folks can hear it.

I I also heard that.

And I'm also putting a request out there.

Our Syracuse choir band, our school band, either that or their choir.

I would love for them to be participant.

They're working on something, we're cooking something.

Okay.

That's where I was gonna say.

Thank you, Commissioner.

You're welcome.

Counselor Callwell.

Oh, yes.

Oh, okay.

Um this is another um installation, an honorary sign that is Council me, Counselor Carl, I am counselor and counselor Joan Rowser.

This is for uh Miss Carletta Rice.

She is a dedicated community leader who has spent a lot of time in their community giving support in her community every year.

She gets hundreds of kids to come and trick-or-treat at her house, and they do like a big party to make sure the kids are safe.

Um, and we just want to uh she cooks turkey.

Oh, yeah, turkeys on Thanksgiving.

She's she does a lot of things, right?

Um the Halloween thing is really big to me because I worry about that on Halloween time, where the kids are and what they're doing, and she makes sure all the kids come to her house and make sure that they're in a safe place.

So we're gonna honor um her with the honorary sign.

Um we can't invitation to the turkey dinner or what?

Oh, yeah, she and she can cook.

Okay.

You like turkey dinner?

Yes.

So I don't know if everybody else, I mean, this is a thing that me and um counselor um rouser, but if you guys want to drag on to it, I think it would be nice.

Yes.

Thank you.

Councillor Majuk.

Thank you, madam president.

I have item 18 to 28.

Item 18 will be continued to be held.

Um item 19, Chief.

Uh good afternoon, Councillor's Rich Shaw first deputy chief of police.

Uh item 19 is an agreement with the downtown committee uh for the installation of additional cops cameras at various locations throughout the downtown area, uh, which will be connected to the police department's existing camera system for a period of two years uh with two one-year renewals uh options with the approval of the mayor and the common council.

Uh just to let you know, this is uh a continuation of an existing agreement that's been in place since 2014.

This is a renewal of the same agreement.

So the downtown committee pays for the cameras and maintenance.

The police department has access to them.

Council Merrick is here if if you want to talk to her, basically.

She's yeah, good.

She can explain a little bit why this in front of you too.

Hello, America Trier with the downtown committee of Syracuse.

Just explain how it came up if you want to.

Sure.

Um, yeah, back in 2014 was when we did our first round of camera installation, securing additional funds to um support uh better security uh efforts in downtown Syracuse.

So uh we were able to purchase cameras through a couple of different sources.

Uh since then we've purchased additional cameras.

Right now we have 16 uh camera locations throughout the downtown area.

All those cameras are wired right into the Syracuse Police Department system to allow them additional tools uh for activity in downtown Syracuse.

Uh, given the level of development we're seeing throughout downtown, uh more visitors coming to the area, more residents.

We're looking to expand that camera network with an additional nine cameras.

And so this agreement was originally a five-year agreement for us to uh work in partnership with the police department and DPW to identify locations for camera installation.

Uh and then once the agreement expired in 2019, we were able to renew this in six month increments with a letter uh to the city, which is what we've been operating under since then.

So every six months we send a letter uh requesting continuation of this agreement.

Uh it's gone on for quite some time, and so we would like to have a new agreement with the same substance that will be for a two-year term uh with two one-year extensions, which brings it more in line with the typical city agreements.

So Merrica, what's the radius of all of these cameras?

From what area to what area?

Uh the current cameras, um, I mean, they're all within the central business district, and they all are um have to see each other to be able to operate on the network.

Uh so from what?

Uh so there's cameras around to cover Warren Street.

Uh yep, current location, uh the furthest north camera we have is Erie Boulevard at East Water Street, just outside of Hanover Square.

Uh we have a couple along Fayette Street and Bank Alley along South Salina Street.

Uh we have them throughout Armory Square as well as Clinton Street, uh, the most and also around the Warren Onadaga Street intersection.

Uh the most recent cameras we added were when the Salt City Market uh was uh being built, uh just given the increased visitor traffic.

Uh what we're looking at and have a proposal for is additional cameras uh down the Montgomery Street uh and Jefferson Street corridor, uh, given the new hotel operation, foot traffic patterns where we're seeing more activity and where we think cameras would be useful.

Um we work in very close partnership with the Syracuse Police Department.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

So when when they talk about you downtown committee maintaining this, that does that include repairs and everything else, or uh there can be a service agreement in place, uh which would be bringing it up to um if there are updates that are needed or repairs that are needed.

Um there's someone within the Syracuse Police Department that monitors the performance of all the cameras.

Okay, so where is the service agreement?

Is it here, Chief?

I have it.

I have I'll bring it, I'll get it to you all either before the next meeting or by the next meeting or something like that.

It's it's pretty much the same.

Like um what counselor, it's pretty it's it's gonna be pretty much the same, like right now.

What um America is is basically explaining that without council approval, I think counselor uh gathers know about it because I for whatever reason I thought it would go up in the council of gathers because uh that uh previous agreement she just sent every six months, um she was sent every six months just letting them know, letting the commissioner of um DPW know that hey, we're renewing this cut, you know, it it it did not require council approval.

So now, like she says, she's bringing it back to the council just to get a traditional agreement consistent with other agreements that's that we can so you're gonna have total of 25 and nine, right?

Okay.

Yeah, and then it allows us the opportunity if we're able to go after and secure additional resources again, like working in partnership with the police department and our neighborhood stakeholders where we feel additional um camera locations are necessary, and then working uh typically with the Syracuse Police Department's contractor because these are cameras that wire right into their network, so it's important that they're all on the same system.

So there will be additional cameras added, right?

Yes.

Okay, to this agreement, uh Joe.

So we um so the this agreement allows us to um install on uh city uh street poles or in the city right-of-way and have them wired directly into the Syracuse Police Department system.

Um it talks about how uh the Syracuse Police Department has access to all of the footage.

Uh if we as a downtown committee want to view the footage, we have to be escorted in uh by a member of the Syracuse Police Department.

Uh but again it's just it allowed the agreement allows us the ability to uh purchase and then work with an approved contractor uh in the city to install at specific locations and then maintain these for a period of time.

We hear enough information to make the contract.

Okay, all right.

Thank you.

Um item 20, Chief.

Item 20.

This is uh another agreement we've had before with this uh intermediate agreement with the Syracuse City School District on behalf of the police department to supplice uh the school district with at least at least 10 school resource officers and one sergeant.

So remind me again the resource officers are retired.

The school resource officers are actual police officers.

Actually, the special police officers are retired police officers, but they're not in the schools.

Okay.

However, uh the school district has tried to hire retired police officers to uh man some of the schools, middle and elementary schools, I believe, and they've had no success in recruiting people to that job.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

So it's just for the high schools currently.

What does this do to your staffing though?

What does this do to your patrol?

We have to assign 10 officers during the school year and a sergeant.

Um this is something we've been doing my entire police career.

We actually used to be a unit of 20 something officers, and we did a lot more schools.

We've contracted over the years.

But uh yeah, yeah, when you was at Father.

Yeah.

So they was there when I was at Nighthand.

So they but they've been around a long time.

I've been here 30 years.

We've had it since before I got here.

So I don't know the sum of five years.

Okay, keep um go ahead.

Chief, um, I think you and I was going back and forth uh with the letter.

We um we didn't get a an amount of um that would be a reimbursement of city.

We wasn't sure.

Uh what's that uh 1.5, but after reading the way it looks like it's 1.8.

So um so can you look at the school resolution and kind of like um mimic your letter to it?

Also, um the legislation is not gonna mention uh the amount of um uh what SROs that's gonna be um that you all that they're gonna utilize.

Your letter doesn't mention that.

I don't know.

Do you want to have any of that any of that in your letter so it can be in the legislation?

So whatever you would ask for Friday, I was put in.

I don't know if that's the most recent letter, but we can talk afterwards to talk afterwards.

Um I just want to make sure um yeah.

Yeah, we just know we just noticed it just okay.

Uh we're talking okay.

It's good that there's you know yeah, we have mixed such that came together real quickly, that's why it's kind of a little bit sloppy.

Yeah, okay.

It was like less than a week's time to vacation.

That's good.

Item two and one.

Item 21 and item 22 kind of go together.

Item 21, actually they do go together.

Item 21 is to uh take funds from our cash capital account of 785,000 dollars that we currently have uh earmarked for uh records a new records management system, and then item 22 is uh multi-year project, and I've been here before, up to and including this year for this body to replace our portable and mobile radios in our cars rather than coming back again next year to do this, we would rather take the money from the records management system, put it all under the radio system, radio upgrade, and just get it all done this year.

Uh realizing that the records management system with the coordination with the county and all the other entities is probably not gonna get done this fiscal year, anyways.

So we're just trying to move this radio project along quicker and get it so it'll be off our plate for next year.

Is everybody equipped with radios or just uh patrol cars?

So everybody is assigned a radio.

Okay.

I even have one.

Okay.

I have two actually, one in my car and one of my that I can carry with me.

Um item 2 is for the uh the account for the neighborhood watch groups to fund their activities.

And director Burelli is here if you have any questions for him.

Yeah, we would like to talk.

Where was Tony?

Tony Great to see you, Tony.

That was kind of high, right?

Yeah, definitely.

So run through what you need to.

I think we've got a couple of questions, but go ahead.

Sure.

Um, this is basically the same budget that we've been submitting for each year.

Um, the only difference that we have this year is we requested an extra 2500.

And the reason I stand a little closer.

The reason for that is prior to COVID when we used to have our large group meetings either at Lincoln or Salem Height, we would get approximately a hundred members from the community that would show up.

We're not seeing that any longer after COVID.

And when talking to the different areas of the city, uh they don't feel if you live in the south side traveling all the way to the north side for a meeting is helping.

They want so what we're doing working with the Syracuse Police Department.

We're gonna break that up in some type of form where we'll either do one large city meeting, but then we're gonna be switching over to district meetings aligning with the Syracuse Police Department.

So we would do one southeast, one southwest, and since the north district is large, we would be looking at doing two in the north district.

This would bring our meetings.

Well, obviously, not doing one, we'll be doing four, uh, but that would be bringing the meetings to the different neighborhoods rather than having the neighborhoods come to the meeting.

So we've been looking at different areas of the city where we can have refreshments um large enough where we can have um large groups of people so we can get more people involved in the areas that they live.

That was really the only major difference, and we're constantly looking at increasing our social media, not getting away from mailings, uh, email, social media's missing a group of people where email is getting them.

In some places, the email is connecting with people where social media isn't.

In some places the emails connecting with people where social media isn't um and the videos have been very popular so we've been working to get more people throughout the city involved because if we can get that feedback from them we can get that to SPD and hopefully address some additional concerns if there's any in the different neighborhoods.

So so today how many neighborhood watches do we have?

We're currently between a hundred and twenty and a hundred and thirty hundred and twenty a hundred and thirty yes and how many of those do uh with with the changes do the police still attend I'm sorry how many of those does the police still attend or or do they all attend all of them?

Um I'm I'm gonna answer the the best I can prior to July one they uh up this year.

Yes yeah SPD attended just about all the community meetings.

Um after july one the SPD is not attending at all.

No the meetings um so I had three choices at that time was either postpone meetings which I didn't feel was good um we could just get together and I wanted to make sure they were effective so I go to all the neighborhood watch meetings anyway.

So what I do is go to all the neighborhood watch meetings as I did but now SPD has been fantastic with making sure I have the crime reports.

I go through just like they would um and count same thing okay counselor Marty's meeting I take down any concerns put them all in the report and I'll send that to the three district captains who have been absolutely fantastic in getting any concerns that I submit them uh resolved.

So that's been the change.

I I think somewhere um they're looking at re-entry coming back to meetings I can't speak for them I just can speak for what I've been doing to make sure the neighborhood watch program has been continuous or continually moving along smoothly anyone want to follow up with that I think uh I my question is first I want to thank Tony for all the many years of service that he's given to our city we have four I I attend up to eight meetings a month in my district eight meetings that includes TNT that includes Holly Green uh they're not fit with neighborhood watch but there's up to eight meetings he does a terrific job now I want to point out since I first no police officers are attending meetings.

However I did contact Chief CISO for uh a meeting last summer for Northside neighbors I had to contact G C so and he did bring Captain Metz to that meeting.

But normally now since July first they've changed their format.

Um I would like to see if we could start having our police officers coming and if I have to make a personal request.

Now for my meetings my district meetings uh my I have up to 30 people at my district meetings every two months and get 70 church.

Tony can't answer every question.

And there are times when there's a a person's been a victim of a crime needs to please speak to a police officer officer is not there.

I understand that but uh you we could be there for one hour.

My meetings do go two and a half hours I understand that but they don't have to be an officer design to be there.

I'm hoping within the new year with a new administration new police chief that we can look back at this and see if we could get uh a police officer uh at our meetings again because I think a lot of people have questions and Tony does a terrific job but he cannot answer all these questions okay I think it's very important and I hope my colleagues and I want to bring this to your attention that since July first uh there are not police officers coming okay but again Tony thank you for all you do for us it's tremendous job you do thank you I can only do well without what I get done with because of your help and SPD it's it's everybody in the city who works and supports us so okay thank you.

Thank you Tony thank you very much.

Yeah.

Chief any f anything any follow-up with that uh no sir well as you have a question for me so I I got I guess it it's you know it's been a concern of neighbors that you know they want to see police officers uh in these neighborhoods meeting so I think it's probably it's it's definitely a good idea to really start thinking about that.

I agreed and I know that you've called me and we've we've spoke about this I I agree with you it's just it's a budgetary thing right now.

If we were just to send the district captain from the afternoon shift, he'd have 40 something odd meetings to go to monthly, which would there's no way otherwise we have to pay overtime, and we took significant cuts to that.

So we had to cut that out.

We cut our credit program out.

We cut a bunch of things out, and that is unfortunately one of the things is I agree with you.

We should have police officers at the meetings.

So when we're officers, we'll go to this meeting, we'll strictly overtime.

Usually depending on what what shift, like Captain Metz does work uh the afternoon shift, but if it's somebody that works today, shift uh that they would be getting overtime, yes.

I have a question.

How many officers right now do we have on um duty?

You know?

On my officers.

How many officers do we have um on the force right now?

Oh, uh about 470 to 480, or sorry, 370 to 380.

300 60.

And how many are we we're looking for?

I know you're doing academies and stuff behind.

So we just hired 10.

Uh, I think our current numbers around 419.

But if we ever get to that 419, and I won't be here because I'll be retired by then, but if we ever get to 419, I think that some of you be making a case to bring more police officers and I think we really need to have somewhere between 460 and 480 at the end of the day.

You got a lot of retirements coming up by the end of the year, too.

I'm sorry.

You have a lot of retirements coming up too.

There are some retirements coming up, yes.

Um we just uh graduated class of 14 Friday, which was good.

Um that was that was nice to see.

Uh they start uh they're in transition week this week, they'll be starting their FTL Monday, and then the new academy starts at 10.

And uh we beat the sheriffs, they only got seven.

So um it's off the same list.

I think we did good.

All right, thanks a lot, Jay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chief.

All right, the other items are uh for the uh director Latif good afternoon.

Uh Matif Johnson Kenzie, director, mayor's officer reduced gun violence.

Uh 24 and 25 uh will be the same.

So it is our ambassadors program that we've uh begun to work.

We're actually working with some faith leaders on that.

So we meet once a month with uh we have a faith leaders coalition.

Uh we meet once a month and they've come up with a campaign uh that we're working on and this this will be a lot different.

So when you see credible messengers, this will be individuals that probably live in the community, uh, have been living there for some time.

Um and it kind of really kind of partners with uh the um uh neighborhood watch.

Um what in Philly what we call block captains.

So we have uh leaders in the community that from a block um that will really be uh vigilant and not just uh to see the individual, but to also to maybe help individuals that need help.

So we're looking with so when we look at credible messengers when you look at this in the context more of person that um probably someone older, some someone that's been in the neighborhood for a while, um, and they will be leading some small groups in the area to get uh individuals more involved with uh their community.

Um so that's that's uh 24 and 25.

Any questions with those?

Would you just share?

I I think you you had a framework of the credit uh credible messenger.

Would you just share some of the uh work that they have done so far?

Just you know, so a lot of the credible message that have been working with the city over the last few years, uh were individuals from the neighborhoods.

Um they've helped mediate a lot of situations.

Um they've also helped assist.

Uh we had some situation at the hospital.

Um they were able to come right away and you know, really uh calm things down.

Um the other part is partnering with the organizations that we're working with.

We know we struggle with some of the organizations.

Uh these individuals were able to come in and help those organizations with um either if it's mentoring, um, because they really are from the community and not just trying to get a check.

It's a very part-time uh job, it's a seasonal work.

Um so a lot of them do it because they want to be there and they want to help their community.

So uh those are the ones that work for the city that's been working with us uh over the last few years.

Uh but moving forward, we're looking to bring in um, and if you look, we have uh individuals from the east side, west side, south side, um, and really focusing on areas our hot spots, and these would be individuals again that are from from the community, that are embedded in the community, are invested in the community.

Um some of them are part of the TNT, uh, some of them may be a part of different organizations of over the last 20, 30 years.

Um, so really people that are really embedded in the community, um, and have that quality uh to be able to um lead sessions.

We want to do some listen to sessions, small groups.

Um we know with large groups sometimes it can get you know where we really don't get to the point.

Um so we want to work with some small groups so we can really talk about what's going on in the area.

Is this all gonna be new personnel?

Yeah, this will be new.

Yep.

So you you're behind interviewing.

Yeah.

Yes.

So what's the number?

Is it one or two?

As far as who we'll hire?

Yeah.

So we'll have a coordinate.

Say that again.

With this money, how many people will you hire?

So we'll hire a coordinator, that'd be one, and then we'll hire four to five individuals.

They'll get a small um uh pay, it won't be much.

So yeah, stipend like a monthly stipend.

But the coordinator would be the one that gets they would kind of lead the way.

But those individuals, again, that's why most of the time they'll probably be retired.

They'll have a you know a job and some kind of other income because this is not a full-time or part-time position, it's just a monthly stipend uh to continue to do the work in the community.

Okay, and obviously you will develop some sort of uh performing metrics that they will.

Yeah, so we have a data analyst that's been working on that, and I think one of the one of the greater things to talk about is the pastors and the leaders, faith leaders, uh being a part of this and helping us develop this.

Um and they have a campaign that we will uh talk about later that they they all want to do.

We we've met probably about three to four times now.

We meet uh every uh third uh Thursday at 11 a.m.

at different churches.

So we've had three meetings so far that went well.

Okay, 26.

Any other question?

2425, 26.

Yep.

So uh 26 counselor is the Salvation Army's extension of the Department of Justice contract.

Now we did pause services with the DOJ, knowing the current administration and not knowing if they were gonna continue to fund the CVI program.

We did pause services.

So this is just an extension of what the Salvation Army already have been doing with family functional therapy.

Did you run through that?

So you halted and now we're we're picking back up.

Yeah, so as of November 3rd, we'll meet with the organizations and we'll start back up right where we where we left off.

Uh, we're gonna be a little more um focused on individuals.

I know with the DOJ, we were looking at communities.

We'll continue to work uh in those communities, but we really want to focus on individuals of high risk and get those the services that they that they need.

And then the CVI good to go.

Yes, yeah.

We talked to DOJ about uh month ago, Department of Justice, and uh they have uh approved us to continue with services and uh startup for for now.

Uh we know the current administration, we just have to work while we can and continue to work until we hear otherwise.

All right, anything other questions?

It's just with the Salvation Army, right?

Yep.

Okay.

And this is separate, so the FFT is different than what we've done before with the mentoring.

So this is the family functional therapy.

Uh 27.

Yeah, that's it.

Uh 360.

Good afternoon, Janet Burke, the director of research.

27 is an application to the U.S.

Department of Justice for community violence intervention and prevention initiative.

Um, similar to what we're doing with the CVI grant that Mayor's Office Against Gun Violence is currently running.

This is going to be the partners will be the Finn Institute, who is going to be our research partner.

We have the Gifford Foundation who is going to be doing our facilitation of meetings and things that need to be done on behalf of Mayor's Office Against Gun Violence and also money for the SPD to have um when they go out.

I can't I can't think of what the word is when they go out and do details to have to pull people over or go out and to go into neighborhoods and hit the hot spots.

And they and also for the mayor's office against gun violence, we're asking for a coordinator for the project, uh, the salary, and for a van for the mayor's office against gun violence.

Let's see.

No, no, no, it's okay, Janet.

I know what you're because I sit on the committee.

Could you come up and I I just go ahead with this one?

Um this is and like the new coordinator is a new person, not to help support you guys.

Yeah, so they will be reporting uh they will be supporting us.

Uh the 360 models, but we went to Oklahoma.

They have what they call Oklahoma 360, so we bought back and we're gonna start Syracuse 360 model.

So that coordinator or project manager would oversee that initiative you know, separately in our office, but because that's gonna be a heavy lift.

That's gonna be a lot of community meetings, a lot of managing data.

So we wanted to have a separate person to handle that.

Counselor, um, this right here is just gonna it's just um just the application of this um this two million app if if they get a if the city get awarded, they will come back to you all of you all the time.

Counselor um this right here is just gonna it's just um just the application okay for this um this two million app if if they get if the city get awarded they will come back to you all of you all right talking about right now because right now it's just uh thank you and I sit on a committee so I know I just wanted to make sure that the rest of the counselors know that what this program is because I stood on the gun violence task force with you guys there's a 360 model and I that was really reason why I called you up so that you could tell them that you went to the training and that there's a model coming up that is replicating something that has worked in other places that that we hope we can get this funding for thank you for being on the committee because see you got the information yeah I know I just wanted to make sure my other fellow counselors know yeah thank thank you Jenna thank you I'm actually here for 28 also 28 is a grant to the New York State Department of Homeland Security and we're going to re be replacing or getting more of the tokens that we all use on our computers to have these two step authentication thank you yeah all right any other question that'll be all madam president thank you counselor Paniagua good afternoon everybody um I have items 29 and 30 Mr Alzber good afternoon council Rick Al Siever Director of Human Resources item 29 is for our annual mandatory sexual harassment training um which we've been doing through Bonchennick and King um that is our for our ability to log into their LMS their learning management system conduct that mandatory training and and get the reporting out of that system.

This is something we've done with them before correct years and years okay yeah this is for all the employees right correct any questions on the training 30 okay uh number 30 is to enter an agreement with council 66 which is middle managers um on a new contract for them for the next three years um and that all of the details in the TA were sent with the the legislative letter but I can ask any questions that you might have this isn't what we were waiting for right from yes from before correct it wasn't put on holding questions from anybody yeah I guess what was the change from the item that got pulled to this item there was no change no change no so we were just waiting on ratification from the union got it okay any other questions awesome thank you counselor gathers thank you madam president of items 31 through 41 or item 31 we did make an amendment to this if you would like to just go item 31 is our uh operations and maintenance contract with uh Laz parking for our city owned parking uh structures um since last or uh session this has been uh edited to go from a three year agreement to a one year agreement with two one year options to renew any questions on this thank you appreciate it um item number 32 and 33 afternoon counselors uh corey dunham chief administrative officer so 32 and 33 um would be to introduce a weapons detection system at city hall and one park place so as folks know right now you've got to take off your bag your bag gets scanned you got to empty your pockets put your keys in your phone to the side and then walk through the metal detector this is a weapons detection system and so you would be able to keep your bag on keep your phone in your pockets um and uh and it's it's designed to detect weapons not just not metal which we think will be more convenient for employees more convenient for um visitors who are coming into city hall who you know sometimes have a difficult time trying to empty their pockets and also limits the amount of interaction that the staff that are at the desk need to have with people who are coming into the building so we just think all in all it's gonna be provide much more security for um for everybody in the two buildings what would we do with the old metal detectors would we get rid of them or sell them or keep them or I mean we yeah we can determine you know I guess we could always have them as backups or we can see if there's a market out there to um to uh sell them um one other thing too is that these devices um this system is mobile so for large scale events like state of the city like other large scale events we could much more easily and quickly get attendees through um through a detection system rather than you know doing a metal detector which can be really time consuming okay any questions all right thank you thank you uh number 34 good afternoon john black with the law department this is a uh request for resolution authorizing an environmental easement to the new york state d ec on a 2.8 acre parcel subsurface on lake as part of the uh onadaga lake cleanup and uh this work was performed by honeywell international and we've reached this agreement DC's okay with it you have the form of it that'll be the exact document we actually could any questions say what we're all set thank you thank you okay thank you all right uh 35

And this work was performed by Honeywell International.

We've reached this agreement.

DC's okay with it.

You have the form of it.

That'll be the exact document we executed.

Any questions?

Say what?

We're all set.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh 35.

Good afternoon, counselors.

Robert Brant, Commissioner Water.

Uh number 35.

We're looking to amend the agreement with 120 water to increase to not exceed amount as we tested more residents than we expected.

Okay.

Commissioner, how uh how did you think it went with 120 water?

Great.

Did you get feedback from the community about you know I've reached out to a lot of the participants.

They were really excited.

No, part of the intent was to build trust between the government and the community.

Did you find that that absolutely think everything was done very professional?

They did a really great job.

We put out an RFP.

We've got five proposals on the testing.

We're looking over them now.

Testing and everything came back accurate.

What's that?

The testing came back accurate with all the results and everything.

Correct.

Okay.

Um it was went from home to lab.

No, no one in between.

You know, they went people tested their water, they put it in the mail and went right to the lab.

It didn't stop anywhere else.

Any questions to any questions or comments on this?

Number 36, amend the contract with GHD consulting services to increase the um not to exceed amount for the chlorine system out at Skineatlas Lake, looking to get away from gas and change it up and make our own, you know, chlorine.

Scope of the work kind of changed.

This will help resolve some of the problems they have out there.

Excuse me.

Will this help some of the resolve some of the problems that they have on skinny?

Oh, absolutely.

Uh chlorine gas is becoming obsolete.

Not many people want to work with it anymore.

Um, so we're looking to change that.

And it, you know, safety purposes too.

Okay.

Um 37.

We're looking to uh put money into our cash capital for our equipment replacement for our heavy equipment.

Okay.

38.

Um put money into the cash capital from the cash capital for our fire hydrant replacement.

Um 39 money from our cash capital for our woodland generator.

Needs to be replaced.

Um cash capital for our valve in uh valve replacement and repair throughout the city.

And uh 41 is to um renew our contract with Freshwater Institute for our lab testing for our algae blooms, harmful gym blooms out of Skiny Atlas.

How are we doing with the piping and all that?

How's that process going?

Out of Skiny Atlas?

No, in the city with some of the pipings that's being changed.

Oh, we we've been very you know productive.

We changed a lot of the common problem areas.

Sealy Hill is you know, last year, I think last winter we had eight breaks on it.

It's all brand new.

Uh Forest Hill Drive has been a problem year after year.

That's being done right now, all new main replacement.

Um we fixed some valves out on the line on our conduit, some major leaks.

We repaired Bose Gay House, um, which is probably gonna bring in between four to five million gallons of water a day if we wanted to.

Um so we've been really updating our system.

Can I ask you a quick question about I'm gonna bring you back to 35?

How far outside the area of sampling for residents are you are you determining?

Um we're required to test a hundred samples each round, and I think we tested the first round.

We tested 120 something samples.

So that's outside the sampling area.

20 or out, and we wanted to make sure we tested the exact same people on the second round.

So we'll be 20 over two.

We wanted everyone to participate in the first round to be able to participate in the second round.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner, how many water main breaks have we had this year?

Higher or lower.

This year, I think we're like 320.

Water main breaks and leaks.

Um we had leak detection company come in during the winter.

They found 70 leaks, and we've repaired them all.

I think we have one hydrant left.

We have to repair that's leaking.

Um but we, you know, a lot of them were minor.

Um during the winter months, we had some major water main breaks.

So this summer was higher than last summer?

Or no?

I don't think it was higher.

I don't think nothing was abnormal this summer.

I think because we had the leak detection come in so early instead of coming in the summer, we had them coming in the spring.

So they found them all through the spring, so we've already repaired them before winter comes.

Okay.

Yep.

Thank you.

Um we have a question about it.

Hey, uh, before you leave, um, how are we doing water pressure and all those things?

And water pressure is great.

Oh, city.

Yeah, through the whole city.

We have north side.

We tried to change some districts, water pressure districts on the north side, created a bunch of water main breaks, which when we you know repaired them, they're old mains that were kind of in bad condition that may have been leaking since repairing them.

We switched back to the water pressure district, and it's it's holding at you know a better level than it was.

And and how are we if if there's a water break or if there's any work that's being done that would result in to uh residents' water being shut off?

Are we notifying them at all?

Or is it I mean if it's an emergency water main break, we really don't have time to notify anyone.

No, outside of a water main break, just if there's any services on the water lines at all, are we not going to be able to do that?

Oh, if we're doing they should be notified that we send out like cards, hang them on their doors, letting them know there's gonna be a temporary shutdown for this period of time if we have scheduled work that we're gonna turn people's water off.

So you still do the cards on the door.

Yep.

Okay.

Lead pipes.

Um, do we know how many were changed this summer?

Are we keeping track of like how many were actually changed?

We are keeping track.

I don't have that right now.

Yeah, but whenever you get a chance, just can we get the list of it?

Because we were uh one of the big things that we questioned, which is directly towards you, is that when they did that, it coincided with the sidewalks as well as the streets to see like make sure they're hitting those same neighborhoods as they dig.

So it's like a dig once thing.

Right.

So most of our lead service lines that have been replaced have been in our major project areas where we're changing our pump stations.

Um there was a lot of unknowns that we had you know budgeted for if they were led, and there was a lot that weren't, so we extended these projects.

So we've been reaching out to you know, um the sidewalk program and street repair and trying to go ahead of them and holding them off.

Uh we had one road that kind of fell through, and that was Westmoreland.

There's a few flags we had to take out when we did the replacements there, but for the most part, we've been working ahead of them, letting them know, like on Forest Hill and Sealy before they tore everything up and did their work, we came through and tore it up.

So we're trying to coordinate as much as we can.

I do want to say um we had a constituent East Division Street contacted me at very low water pressure, and you know that's a problem we have north side way up the hill, but uh your staff has always been very cooperative.

Yeah, we've been there.

Yeah, I've been there personally tonight.

And um, you know, we get a response which is much appreciated.

Okay.

And then commissioner following up kind of a wrinkle to Councillor Caldwell's line of questioning.

Um I've been contacted by a number of residents who had you know potentially a driveway where their lead service was and they didn't get done.

Are we planning to circle back to those unique properties that had you know special condition that didn't get done the first time around?

And how are we identifying?

That their service line didn't get replaced.

Correct.

Um I'll have to look into because as far as I was on.

I thought everyone's that had a they may not have had a lead service, and that's why it wasn't replaced.

Um the you know, I think there's a I have you know two, I believe a third in my in my memory, but yeah, their service line will be replaced.

Okay.

Yeah.

But it was, you know, neighbor neighbor, neighbor, neighbor.

We got skipped because we were told they had to dig in the case.

If you can get me those addresses that were skipped, I can look into it and I'll have them replaced.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Uh Madam President Biosa.

Thank you.

Counselor Holden.

Uh thank you, President Hudson.

I have items 42 through 44.

42, we had a cut uh a meeting on, and uh I'll call that ready.

43 is uh associated with uh the the following legislation between myself and counselor gathers 44 is a resolution uh asking the uh uh planning commission to rule on some legislation I put together regarding the certificate of appropriateness.

Any questions?

You're holding 44 moving 44.

44, I'll wait till planning commission the plan commission comes back.

Okay, right with the with the requ uh uh recommendation.

Council, is that the protocol that you have to wait for them or do we vote on this and then transmitted to the council?

Okay, so and then they'll come and when they come back with their I'll I'll be committee meeting on it.

Okay, good.

Um and then I have good councilor gathers permission.

I'll go to 45.

Yeah, these are all associated with the planned uh development, housing development, surge developmental set of 45 and 49.

I'll uh call ready too.

Any questions?

All righty, counselor Williams.

Thank you, madam president.

Um I have items 51 through 57.

Um, we're gonna continue to hold 51 and move on to 52.

Oh, wait, did we do 50?

Oh, I didn't even see.

I jumped right off pardon me.

Uh item 50.

Uh should be ready.

Commissioner.

Okay.

So I'm sure it says to ask a question.

43 was held.

Matt OJ, Commissioner of Assessment.

Okay.

Oh, that was the one patron.

Um I don't know.

Oh, 50 was the one that got held on the waiver, but for I'm sorry, 43 was held.

No, no, no, no.

No, 43.

Right.

43.

Commissioner, were you sleeping as as I was?

50.

I'm here to talk about if you'd like.

So 50, we should be good to go.

Yes, we should be.

Oh, right.

And 51, we're gonna hold 52 is um Commissioner Canzera.

Uh good afternoon, council.

Uh my canizera, commissioner of finance.

Um, so 52 would kind of be all the back taxes related to the SDC site, so we are looking to waive those so we can move forward um with you know a clean slate for that property.

Uh and I believe the county um additionally will be uh waiving you know the county taxes as well.

So any further questions on 52.

All right.

Can I move on to 53?

Yeah.

Uh so 53.

Um, we're looking to waive an emergency repair program bill on a property uh for about $13,500.

Um, this property was recently sold.

Um a tax search was be was performed for the new, you know, the prospective owner that is now the new owner.

Um, unfortunately, this invoice was not included on that tax search.

Um the new owner is paying about $6,500 in back taxes.

That um from the sounds of it, if this tax search was performed correctly with this $13,500 invoice, they might not have purchased the property.

Um so we believe just in fairness that we should be writing this off since the new owner was not made aware of it.

Um so we're looking to um waive that specific invoice.

Um a question I think the council would ask is how did this happen?

Um and how do we avoid this in the future?

Um our accounts receivable softwares, um, and I would implore you to go down and talk to CPC.

You know, we're logging into five to six different websites.

Um property taxes are all done in e-tax, that's a Hamer Enterprise software.

Uh water bills are done in AS400, parking tickets are done in AIMS, um, and then this ERP bill really it's tracked on manual spreadsheets.

Um, set outs, you know, different types of code violations.

Those are some are performed in AIMS, others are performed on spreadsheets.

So um what we're looking to do is adding some money into our CIP to try to build out the accounts receivable module in our current people soft um ERP system to try to consolidate some of those softwares just to avoid issues like this in the future.

Um questions on 53.

I do have this happen.

Like I get it.

We you know it's not the president's fault, but has this happened before?

Because what if it happens again and then someone comes in?

Um, not to my knowledge, at least not in the you know, two plus years I've been commissioner.

The emergency repair program is a fairly new initiative.

Um it was a revolving fund that was um initially funded with ARPA funds, so it's really only been around for two or three days.

Um I apologize, not that, but a mishap of the tax roles like where someone in Nikka would say, well, you have this bill, like we're omitting this.

What happens if it happens again?

You know, and we say I would probably be up here asking for a waiver.

Um typically no.

Um we're we're usually better about you know making sure we've we've done our uh due diligence before, you know, providing that to the prospective owner.

Um but again with these you know newer type of levies.

Um, you know, it's a lot of manual spreadsheets that we're consolidating.

All right.

Any questions on 53?

Yep.

I will move on to number 54.

Um we are proposing a parking amnesty program.

Um happy about this.

Let's go.

Yep.

Um with with the you know support of the council um and and you commissioner, we'd like to hold uh a standalone because I imagine that you know between the 10 of us, we're gonna have a whole lot of questions into you know what exactly we're doing, and I feel like it'll take a whole lot of time now to get through everything, you know, the details.

Um I generally believe that we're all in favor of, but we just want to make sure that we know what exactly we're doing, how we're doing it, and you know, we can take the committee meeting as an opportunity to begin letting the public know that it's coming to be looking for it, and okay.

Um yeah, we would look to ideally get that um scheduled as soon as possible.

I mean, our original plan was to do the first three weeks in November.

Um I have some talking points here that um I can go through these unless you'd like to wait until you guess a couple talking points.

Let's get the talking points.

Couple of them again done.

The time frame ideally would be November 3rd to November 21st.

Um the last amnesty that was performed in September 2020 was about two, two and a half weeks.

Um this would be all unpaid parking tickets are reduced to the original fine and surcharge with all penalties waived.

Um tickets are still eligible to be booted, but would be able to pay the reduced amount.

Um as far as payment options, we're still using invoice cloud, and then I think a self-service portal that you can go on and you can search by your last name.

That wasn't something we had available in 2020.

Um we will be setting up a dedicated phone line, a dedicated email address.

Um as far as advertising, um, really trying to do this uh a little bit cheaper than last time we did this in 2020.

We would do a press release, we'd do media coverage, we would use social media, um, we would post online, um, in-person office postings, and then additionally, we would look for counselors to communicate this with your constituents.

Um so those were the talking points.

Um I'm assuming you still want to have a committee.

Absolutely.

Just so we have dynamics of you know, how we're breaking it down, if it's four tickets, what percentage, five tickets or percentage, you know.

I mean, just so that people understand.

Do we approximately know how much we're taking off a ticket?

Uh I mean, so like an original parking ticket that could be 40 dollars.

Um, if that's a couple of years stale, I mean that could be a hundred, a hundred and ten dollars now.

So uh today they would have to pay a hundred dollars to clear that, um, whereas that would be it would be forty dollars.

Um so that that's just one example.

Um if we got a recent ticket, like say I get a ticket and I'd well sign today, and I don't want to would it be reduced?

Like, are we reducing recent tickets?

If I mean if if there's if it was something that was issued last week, I mean there's really no, it's not like delinquent yet.

So, really, if it would have been issued at 40 dollars, we would still be asking them to pay for it.

For the most part, yeah.

That's that's what the amnesty would apply to.

Um is it the just parking tickets?

Anything else that might be an am state?

Just parking tickets.

Okay, so another question I had why are we starting November 2nd, not doing a are we gonna do a retro like Christmas season?

It's happening.

November from November 2nd to 21st.

Get ready.

All right, thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

So we got to make it here.

55.

Good afternoon, all.

Um we are looking for council authorization uh for a license agreement with foundation assets and our onondaga county for our property at 511 South State Street.

Um public safety, public safety building, sorry.

Um yeah, looking to looking to sell the property.

Uh prospective purchaser wants to get in, conduct some due diligence.

Nothing so far as boring holes or scraping asbestos, just uh assessing somebody wants to purchase the bill.

Somebody wants to pay legal tender for our property.

What do they want to do?

Apartments.

Really, really, just want just one respondent to the RFP.

Can you tell me that or not?

Yeah.

Okay.

And commissioner, even though we went through the RFP process.

Or you know, I feel like we've gotten to a point that we've been looking for between a courthouse and a jail assessments.

You know, after the facts kind of passed when we probably should have been.

If that's where we go with the case.

That's where I'm going.

That's where it's going.

We are not sprinting to do so.

I think this is gonna be a fairly expensive and complicated appraisal, but before we come before you for a local law authorizing purchase and sale, we'll have appraisal in hand.

Those are gonna be the safest apartments in the city, huh?

Between the courthouse and a jail.

This is great.

I love it.

They're gonna be quiet and very comfortable.

Wow.

Wow.

I know you can't.

Well, I'm you can't you tell me more than one bedroom apartments, right?

Yeah, we're we're I mean, there are gonna be live work studios.

Um obviously it's imperative that we get some family sized units um in in any new development of size and time.

So yeah, there's gonna be a real diversity of options here.

There's a split in uh in the cell, right?

In the the between the county and the city.

Yeah, uh we're tenants in common, city owns a 61% share.

So we know this is a complicated transaction to put together, but at the very least, we're aligned with our co-owners uh in terms of what we want to see happen.

Gotcha.

So they're gonna help you for um assassinate, right?

To be determined.

So they're gonna rehab.

You know I'll ask.

So it's it's the rehab of the building, correct?

Yes, no, no, no.

No major demolition planned, um, historic tax credit project.

It's a mid-century building that's thought to be of some real value there.

We're gonna be paying for both for a while.

Uh will this take you.

So the county county voted on the budget a couple weeks ago.

Um, and I know the abstract reflects a much lower cost for the PSB for the city going forward.

Um, it's not nothing, but I I think it's less than half of what it was uh in the current fiscal year.

Uh yeah, there's a net maybe not the biggest net game, but at least on that line of the abstract, um it's similar.

You know, we won't be paying on the lease at 1153 until February.

Um we're looking to minimize that overlap to the extent possible.

I can't wait for that news article to come out.

Boy.

Are we all good?

All righty.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

And 56, 57, we'll have a conversation in second session.

Madam President, did you want to do that today or when were you um today?

Yeah, we can do that today.

Who's taking counselor John's router?

Counselor Carwell.

No, not for Mishita.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Madam President.

I have items 56 through 60, 58.

Ooh, I don't have my glasses.

Ah, sorry.

Uh 50.

58.

64, 63.

Thank you.

Who's up for this?

What?

I think that we're all set with that one, but Jake can come on if you want.

I should have said stuff.

Uh good afternoon, Council Jake Dish, Deputy Commissioner of Code Enforcement and Zoning.

Item number 58.

Uh is a um proposed amendment to uh adjust and amend our local law that enables us to enforce the state codes at the local level.

Um it's more administrative.

Uh we had a committee meeting on this on Monday, so uh the state has the state empowers cities, towns, and villages to enforce state codes, but in order to do so, they have to be adopted at the local level with a local law.

So we have a local law and and it needs some uh additions or revisions so we can stay in compliance with you know the state changes as we go.

Um thank you.

Yeah.

Item 59 good afternoon, counselors.

Michael Lehman with the Department of Assessments.

Item 59 is uh requesting an amendment to the lease with the Westcott Community Center, merely adding one five-year extension to the current agreement.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

60 is the same, except this is for the Southwest Community Center.

So only question I have, which is fine, is the Syracuse Model Neighborhood Facility Inc.

I thought there were no longer Syracuse Mato Neighborhood Inc.

Uh that's the entity name on the lease.

That's why I used it for the letter.

Syracuse community connections, if that's what you're thinking about.

No, Syracuse Mato neighborhood.

I know what it says, but they're they call it so Syracuse Community Connections now.

No, but Syracuse Mato neighborhood is no.

So yeah, there are there are two Michael Collins, Commissioner for Neighborhood and Business Development.

Um there are two Syracuse Model neighborhoods.

One is corporation.

That is the one that is now run by uh home headquarters, and they are the one that own the homes and uh and have done the home uh rehabs.

Syracuse model neighborhood facility has always been the parent corporation for Southwest Community uh uh Syracuse Community Connections, also known as Syracuse Community uh Southwest Community Center, also known as Syracuse Model Neighborhood Facility.

So SMNF is Southwest.

Is now with home headquarters.

There we go.

Okay.

There we go.

Thank you.

Right.

Glad Commissioner Collins was here.

Um other questions?

No, thank you.

Thank you.

Um item 61 is uh we're requesting a license agreement with Wildflower Armory.

Um Michael John Hagerty is looking to have a Christmas market of sorts.

This will be um actually at the right about the same time as the tree lighting ceremony that Commissioner Byrd mentioned earlier.

Um they were looking to license the space between City Hall Commons and the State Tower building uh just for the day.

Um purpose would be to host local vendors in tents under the canopy uh and utilizing uh the atrium from Friday, November 28th, 4 to 8 p.m.

Any questions?

This is our building, right?

City Hall of Commons.

We still own it, yes.

We sold it, we still own it.

We still own it.

We haven't we were going to when are we installed, didn't you?

So sorry.

Ah Commissioner would be still evil for that reason.

As soon as we can.

We don't well, I mean we full every pushed everybody to one park place, right?

Yeah, all our but we still haven't I thought this was going to be.

Yeah, we've got a minimal carry on the building.

That that doesn't mean we necessarily want to keep holding it.

Um we've got a couple paying tenants in place right now, and uh $400 license fee, hopefully coming in next month.

We're looking to um offload the building in the next 12 months.

We'd like to get a pick on the chicks.

We would very much like to get it on the roll.

And and housing our friends and neighbors.

Yes, yeah.

That's right.

It's gonna be apartments too.

39 apartments.

Oh, we still own it.

We still own it.

We're paying a rent over there.

Right.

But we still own this, and nobody we gotta do something.

We do.

LSU.

Going festive today.

May I answer any other questions?

Thank you.

Okay.

Hi, uh good afternoon.

Kate Awitter, uh preservation planner for the city.

Uh we are looking to apply for a grant to the New York uh State Department of Parks Recreation and Storic Preservation for some training funding for the landmark preservation board.

It will also be open to other uh board members, commission members, anyone who's interested, um, can also participate.

There's a there is actually no match requirement.

They recommend a 40%, but that uh will be uh through staff in-kind staff services.

So I have a question.

Even though it's not with this, you got a question on this?

Uh I just got a question about the landmark preservation board.

Okay.

Is there any requirement to be on the board at all?

Are you do you know what is that?

Uh requirements as in terms of uh so to get on the board.

Um we uh to be on the board, um there are positions that professional qualifications for a number of the uh the board seats, including uh architects, we need a landscape architect, um uh preservation uh professional uh uh there are um let's see, what else am I?

Oh, someone from the real estate community.

So there are uh a number of uh the board members that I think four out of the is that four out of the seven.

I'm sorry, I'm now forgetting.

Four out of the we just changed the number.

Um uh board members, we uh we now are at seven.

Um so we have some um at-large members, and then the rest uh have professional qualifications to be on the board.

Yeah, and this would this would go along with everybody that's on the board, or just those specific individuals.

I'm sorry, say that.

The the training, the training series and everything would go for everybody that's on the board or just specifically.

Yeah, everyone who's on the board, um, but we're also able to open up the because uh they'll primarily be online.

Um we'll be able to open it up to other uh board members that are I'm sorry, city commission members, city board members, anyone um staff who might be interested in the preservation related training.

Okay.

I have a question, so thank you, Kay.

I have a question.

We are um the parks are they did a whole um synopsis of the parks stairs and um issues in a part, right?

the uh because uh they'll primarily be online um we'll be able to open it up to other uh board members that or I'm sorry city commission members city board members anyone um staff who might be interested in the preservation related training okay I have a question so thank you Kate I have a question we are um the parks are they did a whole um synopsis of the parks stairs and um if the issues in a part right so has anyone came to you about getting a grant to help support the stairs uh no not at this point um I know that there are you're talking about the Westminster stairs or stairs in general well Westminster is brought the topic but we realize after doing assessment there's a bunch of stairs that are just as bad as Westminster's in the park so I was wondering before we spend you know cash capital or bond has anyone went to the process and said hey Kate is there any way that we can is there any money or funding out there to support there uh no one has asked specifically well that people have been asking a number of questions um related to the stonework and the in the parks and stairs stairs in particular um for those parks actually which there are a number that are on the National Register of Historic Places um there are potentially state funds that could help through um the um environmental protection uh funds uh that would be you know funds that might be available in the uh well to apply for in the spring or summer um so there is possible we can probably reach out there is there's a possibility that we might be able to join up yeah uh join up both preservation as well as a local match uh two well we need to definitely yeah have conversations about that with our thank you yep any other questions okay thank you thank you Kate was a little while in between just two three little we have sixty three three yeah thank us yeah 63 that's um oh that I think she was holding that yeah I think she was holding that one we can confirm that one yeah she's yeah I think she's holding that we'll confirm it okay yeah we got time yeah councilman Montoya Hudson I have item 64 we are going to have a committee meeting on that next week we're just waiting to schedule I'll hold that one so you're holding it yes all righty I need a motion to adjourn the executive session second second second all in favor we're going to second the session