Ticket.

And that's made up of a twenty five dollar fine plus a fifteen dollar New York State surcharge.

Um and then if you don't pay, that's when the penalties accrue.

Right.

So day twenty-one, the first penalty accrues.

And the first penalty is the amount of the underlying fine.

So I just would call your attention on the first one that says, you know, the first line there says not late.

Penalties 40.

We're not gonna penalize somebody for being paying on time.

So that that was an error.

The penalty should have said zero, and then the total they would pay is $40, which is as outlined above, $25 initial fine and $15 surcharge.

For the 21 days, your um penalty is the amount of the ticket.

Just the 25, yeah.

So it's 25.

Yeah, so I apologize when this was uh put together kind of late.

Um so the 21-day penalty would be 25, and that's what the person would pay.

Next slide, because it gives a better breakdown.

So there we go.

Yeah.

Without examples, just the straight facts.

So again, right, you get a parking ticket, you have 90 days to pay or contest, and those penalties accrue over the 90 days if you're not paying.

Like Vicky said, that first penalty is equal to the amount of the initial fine, 25 dollars.

Um, there are a few that are 60, and then the accessibility ones are 100.

Okay.

This if you continue not to pay between days 31 and 75, that's when the second penalty of $30 rolls on, and then after day 75, the third penalty of 40 rolls on.

So amnesty is waiving those penalty amount and taking the ticket for the example of the overtime back to a 40 ticket, the initial fine plus the surcharge.

And this is what um amnesty is always been, so nothing new, but just a recap.

So everybody understands and tried to give you updated information, including the updated um, you've got the fine schedule that is attached to the traffic code um attached to your packet just because a lot of these um aren't entirely cohesive when if you look at MuniCode or something.

So there's 140,000 outstanding right now.

That goes back to 1997.

So um we previously had a collection agency um working on collecting parking tickets.

It was largely unsuccessful, frankly.

Um and the parking or the uh collection agencies cannot legally collect on debts that are over six years old.

So all these tickets that we had that we see that you know, when with the amnesty, we spent all this money doing this skip traces to see, you know, can we find a current address for these people, let them know.

I mean, let's think about the fact that it's 30 years ago.

A lot of these people are dead.

I mean, you know, um, or they've moved to another, you know, some place.

I mean, it's a long, long time.

So um, given that we cannot legally collect on them, we had asked to waive tickets before 2007, but um we you know we didn't get approval for that.

So we're trying again to see if we can what we can do to collect this money.

So of the 140,000, do you have a sense of how many of those are 2007 to now?

Like more recent.

Um I I would have to run a report to be honest with you.

I didn't get that information.

Yeah.

Vinny might have it.

Your numbers?

Yeah, sorry.

I want to know 07.

Okay, so eligible tickets from um to give you the full picture, 97 to 06 is about 16,000 tickets, and then 07 to date.

Um, I think Vinny pulled the numbers uh Friday afternoon, is um 124,000.

So you can see that there's not that many left in that subset, and I believe, like Vicky said, that legislation is forthcoming where we would formally or Commissioner Canazaro would formally ask for those to be written off.

How many tickets you get that are from out of stake?

You get a lot.

You probably don't get comp we don't get compensated from.

We do.

We uh we have a um rangement with um EDC, which is the company that does our Ames parking software, and they reach out to the DMVs at almost every state.

There's one that we're missing that won't allow us to pull, I think is it Pennsylvania too, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, New Hampshire, Utah, and California we have now.

Yeah, so there's four that we don't pull from.

I would think uh going up Westcott Street.

I see a lot of double parking around the university, and there's a lot of out of state parkers.

I see uh cars that have been booted.

And how many those stewards would get tickets?

Let's say it's a huge game.

You must you must ticket a lot of cars up there because they're not familiar to Rod of State.

Is that true?

Yeah, that's a question.

You must get a lot of tickets around the university area.

I would say that is your bulk of your tickets and violations.

I wouldn't say it's the bulk of them.

I'd say that there's a large number, but I mean we get a lot downtown and we ticket throughout the city.

Okay.

So all right, thank you.

Yeah.

Any other questions on this slide with the numbers, counselor?

Go ahead.

So just so I'm trying to build this picture in my mind here.

How many boot eligible violators do we have?

That hang on.

Sorry if I'm jumping around, but I'm just trying to wrap around here.

The boot.

Because this is just collections.

I think the boot eligible was in Connor's memo that he sent.

I think it was 135,000.

Yeah.

Which is most of the unpaid parking tickets on the books.

That's the number we came up with before.

Yeah.

Do you know the percentage of uh of um success from the last one?

Yep.

There you go.

Let's see.

Oh, is it a oh there you go?

Uh this is just a snapshot of some data points from the 2020 Amnesty.

Um compared to what we're proposing now.

You can see the time frames were similar.

Um this one would be a little bit longer.

The volume of tickets, 34,000 were cleared.

Um just under a million dollars collected, and it gives you an idea of the call volume.

You know, okay.

So I know I missed the first few minutes.

Apologize.

Did you go over, like if their estimates say I had four tickets, right?

Would that is taken off just the penalties?

Just the penalties.

Yeah, it doesn't, it just brings you back down, you know, to the original dollars.

Yes.

So four the amounts are 40, 60, or 100, depending on the type of violation.

Those second two pages you have there give you an idea of the fine plus the surcharge and the total amount.

So the column on the furthest left there is the amount that it would bring it down to.

Um but that can have $95 worth of penalties, right?

Yeah.

So yeah, so you can go.

If it if you were me and I had a hundred and thirty-five dollar ticket, and maybe I gotta make choices budget-wise, right?

And I can't pay that, but all of a sudden it's 40.

Maybe I do want to get rid of it.

So it's this is why we wanted to amnesty.

So yeah, I just want to tell people per ticket, except the extreme cases that we have.

And there could be amounts that are different base amounts, right?

Before the handy fines were surcharges were raised.

Right.

So this is an example from what we're charging today.

So but the average regular parking ticket is 40 if you're paying back.

Yeah, awesome.

That's yeah, it may have been less before.

Um, you know, at some point the New York State surcharges were five dollars.

The Syracuse.com article had that incorrect over the weekend.

It said surcharge was five surcharge now today is 15 or 30 if it's an accessibility surcharge, but it was previously five.

Okay.

That day is what you're gonna pay for all your tickets.

Yep, each one, yeah.

Yeah, unless you get booted, then there would be the additional $50 boot fee.

Right.

But if you're booted, you're still we've got it in the system.

So at least if you're booted, I guess at least the tickets are gonna be less, right?

So if you're booted during the amnesty period, you will get the lower price.

Okay, okay.

And also, we didn't have parking um payment plans before in the last amnesty, but we do now.

Um, the way they are, we the vendor couldn't change the tickets, so anybody who has tickets in a parking payment plan would have to come to City Payment Center.

We will honor the amnesty because why should we penalize somebody who's trying to pay us back?

You know, so um we're gonna honor the amnesty, we'll do it manually and make sure that they can get those taken care of if they want to.

Yeah, on that previous uh two previous slides ago.

No, the amount.

Yeah, it said something about constituent clause over three months.

Oh like what was it?

It took us a while to catch up, right?

It was there was a pretty big delay, right?

Because of the volume of calls, which is why on your one pager there on the front.

Um, for what though, like payment over questions about, right?

Last time we mailed notices and you know, I don't know if you could look up by name.

You had to have the ticket or the plate.

Okay.

Um so we adapted that, so you can look up by your last name now.

Um, and the ways to pay here.

If you go on to the view and bill pay self-service payment portal, puts you through to invoice cloud.

You can look up tickets by last name, ticket number or plate.

Obviously, some people may not have you know copies of the notices.

We're assuming um that they don't have them, but you can type your name in and check to see if you have any outstanding tickets, and then you could go right in and pay.

The payment centers also set up a dedicated phone line with Spanish interpretation available and an email.

So if um people can't get through in the phone line, it tells them to email and uh our teams will work together to answer those phones and respond to emails so people get the information, trying to avoid the backlog of calls and outreach that we had due to you know the limited ways to get the information about your tickets last time.

So in 2020, did we send out a letter to everybody?

We're not gonna we're not sending a letter this time.

We did we contracted um with a third party to pull updated addresses, right?

Because our addresses get pulled at the time the violation hits the system, it kicks to the DMV, but that could be outdated the next day if somebody changes the address, right?

So that was about a $27,000 expense plus the mailing um and the labor for that.

So we are proposing not to do that because this is not something that we had planned for or budgeted, and honestly, we think it'll work better, right?

People can go in.

Um, we're gonna advertise anybody that comes in and deals with either of our offices will be informed um that we're doing a parking amnesty and our staff can look up, help them look it up.

My office with the help of digital services is deploying kiosks, so people can go right in online and type on their name and see what they have, even if they're here for a BAA ticket or a school bus ticket, um, just to try and make sure we're capturing the highest volume we can.

Do you know it's just a question?

Yeah, I don't know.

Do you um know what the highest like person owes like virus tickets, virus interest?

What is that?

Do you know they're gotta be I've seen people come in owing five thousand dollars worth of parking tickets, tell you the truth.

So I mean it can get out of control, and but think of it if a person has five thousand dollars parking tickets, they could probably satisfy it for you know, like uh thirteen hundred.

Well, if you could be depending on how many, you know, how long the interest in the fees the fees, but if you're looking at $95 a violation on a 40 dollar ticket, so that's about a third, so maybe $1,700 instead of $5,000.

The surfaces newspapers used to print people who were owed a lot of money on tickets years ago, yes.

And most of them were people that worked head of work in the cop courthouse and there were lawyers.

During my uh character and fitness before becoming an attorney, that was one of the things that the attorney that screened me flag don't have parking tickets because your name gets printed in the paper.

So the um this is probably pushing it a little bit.

But if someone had that example you just stated, yeah, $5,000 worth of tickets and they need to pay $13 or $1,500 to have them removed.

Would they be eligible for a payment plan?

Although it's in the amnesty.

Well, whatever tickets they're going to pay in full, they could pay at the amnesty rate, and the remaining parking tickets would be at the regular rate at in a parking payment plan.

Yeah, one more time.

So say I have $5,000 for park tickets.

And I say I have $2,000, it's gonna pay off, say 50 parking tickets.

So then the remaining $3,000 worth of parking tickets can be put on a parking payment plan.

But it wouldn't have the penalties waived at that point after amnesty.

The penalties will get added back on.

So you could do you could pay what you could at the reduced amount, then do the payment plan for the full amount.

And the nice thing about a payment plan is once you're in it and making payments as low as $25 a month, you're not boot eligible.

So someone's in a payment plan right now.

Can they get out and just you utilize this now?

Okay, they just have to do that.

Or they can take some of the tickets, you know.

They're if their parking ticket payment plan has five tickets in it and they only have enough to pay two.

Well, at least they can save the money on those two tickets, and that way they get their parking payment plan paid off that much quicker because then they'd only have three tickets left instead of five.

They would take it would just be the actual one fee, not no longer the interest and the payment plan.

Anything that is not paid off within the amnesty period reverse to the higher amount.

And those people just need to come in to deal with the city payment center directly, just like when you're applying for the payment plan.

So and it's dictated by the law.

If you want to amend the payment plan, you you come do it in person.

So just the face value, and they can enter a payment plan, they could be as low as $25 a month.

Is that what you're saying?

It's actually booted, right?

At the point you're booted, you're no longer eligible.

Yeah.

Yep.

And this just has everything that we've shared about the ways to engage with um the city during amnesty and just you know, the plan for outreach and communication in lieu of those individual notice mailings.

Again, each of the tickets, if you're in collections, you've received at least four notices, one on the vehicle and three mailings that would make you boot eligible.

What were some of those concerns that you had last time when Amnesty?

I wasn't here last time.

Oh, either one of you.

Yeah, I I was not directly involved.

I I did help uh, you know, clear the backlog of voicemails.

Um I think it was essentially that if you didn't have the ticket number or plate, you couldn't look up to see if you had anything outstanding, right?

And that was the high volume of people reaching out because they wanted they saw, hey, this amnesty is eligible.

How do I make sure I don't have anything?

Especially with people, right?

That are, you know, a lot of people think that you um co-sign on insurance that you're just on insurance, but you actually to do that, you have to co-sign the registration.

So, you know, I helped my my kid or my grandkid, and I'm on the plate.

I want to make sure all of my plates are good.

Um, they're under my name.

So I think it'll be really nice that people can just look up by their name on their own.

Um, they don't need our help to do that.

And last time they did need someone to go into the system and look it up.

So we did November 3rd through the 21st.

How did we land on just three weeks?

Yeah, you think that's enough time?

And I think to get it done before Thanksgiving and before December, which is what's December.

I mean, people printing periods tax bills.

County tax bills.

But it's just difficult because if people get paid, right?

Um, once a month, or we twice a month, they only get a one-time payment.

Do you think there's value in going longer than the 18 days?

I'm not sure that the payment center had the capacity to go longer, so we were trying to fit it in based on council's request that there was interest in doing an amnesty before the end of the year.

Um, and this was kind of you know, trying to weave that line.

When can the payment center, you know, there's still be people that'll come in or reach out, call um and have questions, so be able to handle that volume with balancing their you know, regular needs, and then for my staff, you know, um dealing with just all of our regular uh load.

It'd be nice if it was a little bit longer.

I would just be the most important.

And even that extra day, like you're saying, if somebody gets paid by a weekly, then maybe that give them an extra chance to have an extra Friday and come in the middle.

Would it just be cleaner to just say that for the month of November?

So it's amnesty month, so people are not just in November Amnesty Month, that's it.

And then I don't know, but you don't think you can handle the extra nine days in the month of November.

I just hate for somebody to come in November 22nd and say, like, oh, you missed it by a day.

Yeah, I know that the right the city closes the Thursday, Friday for Thanksgiving.

I don't have a calendar in front of me.

Right.

So the third, 10th, 17th, 24th is a Monday before Thanksgiving.

So we could do it up till Thanksgiving, and then we've close Thursday, Friday, and then the following Monday would be December 1st, right?

December 1st, yeah.

So if we did do it for the month of uh November, it's just really extending it three days.

I don't have a problem with that.

I mean, it's it's it's gonna be a bear, but I'm looking at you.

Can it be amended?

Because it would have to be voted on today.

Let me know now so I can start running.

Yeah, I mean, it's mostly on uh, you know, Vicky's team side.

Um, you know, if we're gonna do it, let's do it the best we can.

And if it's just three more days, um, we'll just have to bite the bullet and why not so would it start now November 1st?

Oh well, November first.

November Saturday.

Right, yeah.

So I got you.

Still be the third.

Right.

Is it a lot?

Okay, but just you're gonna be no, you're right.

They could they could still pay online.

So, you know, if you wanted us to start it November 1st, we could people can go online.

We just um, you know, wouldn't be able to directly answer questions if people had questions those days.

But you're gonna have some people that's savvy enough to go online.

Yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

So I mean, have smartphones.

We couldn't start at the first.

I mean, we couldn't change the dates as long again as it's doable.

So you let us know November is a happy month.

What works for you and the clerk would have to.

So what we're gonna do is so we're if we're gonna vote on it today.

Um, should I just should should it just be November 1st?

I mean November, the month of November.

That's what we're looking at, right?

Yeah, we're okay with that if you guys are okay.

All right, so then would we then be accepting?

Well, we'd be accepting payments online through the 30th, then right because we we won't be open, but we'll be accepting with the media they'll get it out there.

And I think it would I I don't really I mean as long as we're clear that the online mechanism is available, so I don't think we would extend it beyond that, right?

Last time we had a high volume of calls and emails.

Reach out and get your questions answered, even if you need to wait for you know, your middle of the month paycheck, um, or you know, save up throughout the month, be ready to pay.

Um, and it will be, you know, the month of November you can make a payment.

I think it would be I I mean, I think if we continue to just have unless there's a foreseen situation, like you're like, oh my gosh, we got all these, we need to extend it, or something happens, but November be good.

Just okay.

All right, I'll go.

Thank you.

We like to give the clerk last minute work together.

Yeah, and yeah, so that's that's we did that.

This was just an overview again um of 2020 versus now, and it gives you an idea of I don't know what's under there.

How many boot bootable vehicles?

Um, actually paid parking tickets, and how much was collected, um, what the average balance was without the boot, without the $50 fee.

Um and then the approximate list value.

So there's some of that boot information.

So this might be for Vinny, but do we have the breakdown of the the dollars for the tickets that are 20 years?

So the 1997 through 2007, do we know what the dollar amount is for that?

Yeah, he pulled, right?

Yeah, you pulled all that.

So um for the 97 to 2006, there was 97, 18 individual accounts, but I don't see with with 16,605 tickets.

I have but I don't see a dollar value.

Yeah, I don't have a dollar value for the but here's breakdown.

I have the total amount, right?

The total outstanding balance on all of the um uncollected tickets right now is almost uh 11 and a half million.

If we waive the um first, second, third penalties, that brings the um that total amount is six million, and that brings the amount eligible to be paid during amnesty it to five point three million.

Yeah, there's the benefits that we talked about, and that that was pretty much what was the percentage of the previous uh amnesty?

How many people uh not people, how many tickets were paid on the total amount that we're possible?

I don't know how many it was on the total amount.

I know that about 34,000 tickets were cleared.

Um, and that it was about just under one million that was collected.

Oh, there's what and you said uh a down, there's a down, is there a down payment to get the in that 25 dollar installment plan?

For the payment plan, yeah.

I mean, do you have to like come up with a certain amount of money?

No, just 25 bucks a month until it's done.

It's it's all governed by state vehicle and traffic law.

Yeah, and again, right, during this when you look at the 2020 Amnesty, it's impossible to decipher what was paid versus during Amnesty and just a brand new, you got a 40 dollar ticket, you paid it.

So it that's it's kind of that time period lumped together.

Um, and again, we didn't extend Amnesty at that time, but we extended collecting payments for people that reached out during that two and a half week window because again, people had to reach out to confirm um other than the notice they got in the mail.

So I think it'll be a little bit cleaner this time and better to analyze the data.

Now we've got digital services as our point for um EDC, the vendor for our AIM software.

So uh Vinny and his team are great at digging into that, and you know, I'm sure would be happy to pull some data afterwards to evaluate the two and see, you know, did we do better mailing notices or did this work you know better now that people have that self-service option?

Vinny, can you get us the dollar breakdown?

Because I I would I'd like to see 97 to 2006, what the dollar amount is, and then 2007 to current.

What's the hours down here?

Um we're open eight to five Monday through Friday.

I think our concern, of course, is with the what's happening across the nation and the academy and specifically down in Washington, DC, we're concerned about the our working class constituents that might have incurred a couple of years.

But this installment plan is really reasonable, I think.

So yeah, which is why at least hopefully this gets people's attention.

Um, and if they have outstanding tickets and are eligible to be booted, they can um at least apply for that payment plan, right?

That we can start them.

Um, you know, $25 still isn't nothing, but it keeps the vehicle, you know, from being booed eligible, and some people just aren't aware that that's an option until it's too late.

So if you know Amnesty catches their attention and they can engage with us, then um we can run them through that process.

$25, you know, $3,000 before you get booted before they catch you, come get on a payment plan, pay the $25, and that was that debut and utilize this amnesty.

Counselor Counselor Cullow can make a public service message for you.

Can we come in?

Yeah.

Any other questions, concerns?

I know you said you're gonna use the you know media.

Are we gonna put it on the website?

Yes, it's gonna be on the website, it'll be on our um self-service portal that we launched.

Um, and I believe we'll be asking um the city and PD to blast in on their Facebook posts as well.

We can blast as well.

Yes, yeah, and I think you know that um okay.

Yeah, I I thought you and yeah, um uh director of digital services.

So they you're looking for the balance without fees, right?

Or without penalties, right?

For those ranges um for 97 to 06, uh looking at I'm just gonna round down here because uh 780,000.

And then for that leaves again, can't round that quickly in my head, but uh uh if we're gonna round similarly the balance for 07 to as of the 23rd of this month when I pulled these uh the amount.

There's no commas.

Let me count my numbers here.

Hold on.

About 10.6 million.

Yeah.

What is it?

Uh 10.6 million since 2007.

Yeah, makes sense again.

The total outstanding for everything was 11.4 million, so 10.6 from January 1st, 2007 to date, and that you know, 780,000 for 97 through 06, which again, I believe there's legislation that'll be coming requesting for those to be written off, and those amounts are from the old system, which we don't have records like the notices that are legally required to be able to boot to make them collectible.

So the city they're still collectible to the city, but we can't enforce it um through any of the mechanisms that we have available.

Leah, do you have a record of how many vehicles have been fined and or towed because they're unregistered, the safety inspections haven't expired.

Those aren't parking violations, those are no they are they they're ticketed for unregistered vehicles, uninspected vehicles.

I mean, we could pull that data, it goes into the system based on the violation.

Um the fact I think Vicky's referring to the tow.

Um, they're not usually towed just for those reasons alone.

Usually they're ticketed first.

Um, but we get um, you know, tickets for those violations.

Yeah, because I've I've called in police many times the amount of vehicles that are being driven on registration is expired, they have no license plates or to try to sell them off on the street corner.

Yeah, and uh it's it's been good because we have towed some.

Yeah.

Yeah, so if they're towing just based on the violation alone, the police department or law department would have those records if they're tickets that are issued that are going into the system that somebody um is disputing through my office or paying through Vicky's office, we would have that information.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Anybody else?

Okay.

Thank you so much for coming.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'll take a motion to adjourn.

Thank you, Councillor.

Thank you for the second folks.

Okay.

All favor.

Good.

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